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Review of the 8 Hour Tablet: Electrovaya Scribbler

Lisa Gade, the chief geek over at MobileTechReview.com, reports that they've just published an in-depth review of the Electrovaya Scribbler SC2200. "It's a Windows XP Tablet Edition with lots of the features you'd expect on a high end slate machine like a 12.1" screen you can write on, a Dothan 1.4GHz processor and WiFi. But its real claim to fame is the huge capacity 10,200 mAh SuperPolymer battery which will get you through a work day without a charge."

219 comments

  1. I wonder by proteonic · · Score: 0

    How long would it last if you tossed linux on it and ran it in text mode?

    1. Re:I wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      about five hours.

    2. Re:I wonder by Duhavid · · Score: 0

      I wonder how it gets you through the day without a charge?

      Maybe they are talking about credit cards. Course, that is silly, none of my other batteries charge my credit cards.

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    3. Re:I wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably less time. This is what I have seen with my standard laptop (text only, wifi disabled, cpufreq used to slow down, about 2.5 hours - Windows XP, 4 hours).

    4. Re:I wonder by mobilebuddha · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yup, i am gonna spend 2000 dollars on a 12.1 inch TOUCHSCREEN so i can run LINUX IN TEXT MODE.

    5. Re:I wonder by wehe · · Score: 1

      At TuxMobil you may find many links to Linux installation reports on Tablet PCs as well as a survey of drivers and useful applications.

  2. long life... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this thing looks pretty awesome - better than my broken pda :)

  3. Yes, but by Ulrich+Hobelmann · · Score: 0

    does it run Linux?

    1. Re:Yes, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or vibrate? I want a new vibrator.

    2. Re:Yes, but by Ulrich+Hobelmann · · Score: 0

      I think it would be a bit too big for that. And it could use more curves, to be sure.

      BTW, does Linux run on vibrators? Would be cool if they had WLAN and you could hack into them. Make the kid next door jump ;)

  4. Keyboard by Stigmata669 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While this looks like a step in the right direction for tablet PCs, the docking style keyboard looks like a recipe for trouble, it looks like it's dangerously easy to break (snapping off because of the upright screen design) or at least damage the contacts from constant plugging and unplugging.

    The burden then relies on XP Tablet edition to get good enough to rarely need a keyboard... something I don't think is likely to happen any time soon. So good in theory, but not quite the magic form needed to bring tablet PCs into the mainstream.

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    1. Re:Keyboard by John+Seminal · · Score: 0, Troll
      What is so hot about the tablet PC's?

      How is it different from the old toshiba portege's they used to make, that weighed all of 3 pounds and had massive docking stations so when you got home you could have every perephrial attached?

      Seems to me it alot adu about nothing. Marketing is getting really slick. They keep selling people the same things, just with new names. Just like the republicans...

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    2. Re:Keyboard by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Seems to me it alot adu about nothing. Marketing is getting really slick. They keep selling people the same things, just with new names. Just like the republicans..."

      Uh, okay.

      To answer your question: Tablet PCs are more mobile since they don't require a flat surface to operate on. You can use one standing up, for example. That's definitely a huge plus in my opinion. I can carry my TPC around and use it in a lot more places than I could my old laptop.

      Whether or not you care is entirely up to you, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss TPCs as 'the same things with new names'.

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  5. Wait, who cares? by skomes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sales of tablet PCs are sliding downwards, let's stop focussing on a hybrid of PDAs and laptops that nobody wants, and focus on getting 2 120 gig hard drives, and x800s in laptops, and getting microdrives and better-than-VGA screens in PDAs and standardize CIR in PDAs. Hybrids share some of the benefits of both technologies, but are really just watered down versions of both. I guess I just don't see the use, I can understand some situations, an engineer or whatever, but how well would autocad or something similar run on this boy anyways?

    1. Re:Wait, who cares? by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      Surprisingly the price of tablet PCs are still so high despite low sales. I always marveled at the write-on-screen pen feature, but it's totally unaffordable. I always wonder if it's the Centrino scaring people away. Would it be better with an AMD chip?

    2. Re:Wait, who cares? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      I would like a nice cheap 12-15inch mobile display for my computer here.

      I don't care if its tethered, all I see if tft monitors for peanuts, and drawing tablets for even less, but touchscreen monitors are sooooo expensive.

      Can I use a palmtop touchscreen as a remote extended desktop - a scratch pad for other things?

      Not necessarily VNC style, but a blank paint pad just for drawing on leaving my main desktop filled with workable apps.

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    3. Re:Wait, who cares? by rokzy · · Score: 1

      I rarely use more than 20GB, so my 80GB iBook is fine. I find myself backing up DVDs of television series (uncompressed!) for lack of anything better to do with the space.

      let's focus on:

      1. increasing battery life as much as possible but not at the expense of increasing weight, and

      2. increasing CPU and GPU as much as possible but not at the expense of near-silent operation.

      join the campaign to keep portables portable!

    4. Re:Wait, who cares? by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Check out Averatec. Their convertable notebook/tablet (screen flips to make it a tablet or a notebook) can be had for $799 if you catch a sale at CompUSA. Oh, and they're Athlon XP-M based.

    5. Re:Wait, who cares? by kamileon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The place where I have seen them be HUGELY popular is with graphic artists. Tablet PCs are the perfect configuration for doodling in Photoshop, doing image editing, etc. But I also have a number of programmer friends who prefer them over using a PDA, despite the extra bulk, because of the ease of jotting down notes quickly, with really good handwriting recognition. Programs like
      One Note just aren't available for the PDA. Which I agree that both PDAs and laptops could be massively improved, there is a niche market for the tablets, and it's enough to encourage hardware companies to keep working on them.

      I have to confess, if they made them as durable as laptops, I'd rather have a tablet than a laptop myself. I don't want a watered down hybrid, I want a full force best of all worlds hybrid, and the tablet has the best potential for that.

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    6. Re:Wait, who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha I used Gimp over VNC/ssh on my tablet PC before I got Photoshop... worked okay, just laggy.

    7. Re:Wait, who cares? by galaxy300 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I have that computer. I hate to say, but it sucks. The AMD processor runs really hot, the fan blows incredibly loudly all the time, and the performance is extremely lackluster. All in all, a fairly bad investment.

    8. Re:Wait, who cares? by evilviper · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry to ruin it for everyone, but I've bought a Laptop from Averatec before, and they are completely crap.

      Their components are just such junk, that you'll be shipping it back to them every couple months until the warranty runs out... at which point you're better off just buying a new one.

      Their service is horrendous (which matters much more when their products need service all the time), and more than once now I had my laptop returned with MORE things wrong with it than I sent it in with.

      If you have any sense at all, stay the hell away from Averatec.

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    9. Re:Wait, who cares? by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      SURPRISE
      These are not marketed at you. Them make great point of care devices for doctors and nurses. I could also see them being useful for performing an inventory or maybe maitre'de in a restaurant.
      Technology is for everyone, just because you can't think of a use doesn't mean it's useless.

  6. HEAVY!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, a battery that big has to have some serious weight to it. Might be unpleasant to carry around. If thats the case, then it might not be so valuable.

  7. What is your definition of a work day? by slagdogg · · Score: 5, Funny

    I haven't had an 8 hour work day since I was a child laborer. Of course, the only people I see using Tablet PCs typically do about 20 minutes of work per day anyways, so this is overkill for them. Good thing Windows Solitaire isn't a big battery hog.

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    1. Re:What is your definition of a work day? by madaxe42 · · Score: 1

      Stop rubbing it in - my workday is 16 hours minimum - managed to do 2 30+ hour days last week. And yes, I do mean from 7 one morning til 7 the next evening.

    2. Re:What is your definition of a work day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yet another happy EA employee.

    3. Re:What is your definition of a work day? by nofx_3 · · Score: 1

      Why are you braggin about this? Clearly your life seriously sucks.

      -kaplanfx

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    4. Re:What is your definition of a work day? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      So, uh, stop.

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    5. Re:What is your definition of a work day? by ThogScully · · Score: 1

      I think the great battery life of this thing is clearly overrated... Real workers use an Epson HX-20 to get through their workday.
      -N

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  8. I wants it... by 01000011011101000111 · · Score: 1

    I'd rather like one of these the battery life is increadable... or woo shiny - IT MUST BE MINE, either way, i want one.

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  9. Without a charge? Wow! by patman600 · · Score: 1

    Man, I would have been happy with just not having to charge the battery, but to be able to run with no charge at all, that's impressive!!! :-)

    1. Re:Without a charge? Wow! by John+Seminal · · Score: 0, Troll
      Man, I would have been happy with just not having to charge the battery, but to be able to run with no charge at all, that's impressive!!! :-)

      How about a battery that charges based off kinetic energy. You move, it charges. Take it to the dance floor and write off the cover charge as a buisness expense... you had to power the pc. Hell yeah. Time to break it down!

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    2. Re:Without a charge? Wow! by JonLatane · · Score: 1

      Now, think about the humiliation of going to a club and dancing with your Tablet PC in hand. Seems much less appealing, eh?

    3. Re:Without a charge? Wow! by patman600 · · Score: 1

      This is slashdot. He would be humiliated dancing without the tablet PC.

  10. Features... by alexandreracine · · Score: 0
    "It's a Windows XP Tablet Edition with lots of the features you'd expect on a high end slate machine
    From MS? Well.... does it have the feature BSOD?
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  11. Interesting, but I think I'll pass by kennyj449 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't help but think that, for that pricing and performance, one would be better off getting a more conventional laptop or tablet and keeping an extra battery or two around. It's nice to see a notebook that actually acts like a portable, but sadly the battery life is about the only thing that this tablet has going for it.

    1. Re:Interesting, but I think I'll pass by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "I can't help but think that, for that pricing and performance, one would be better off getting a more conventional laptop or tablet and keeping an extra battery or two around. It's nice to see a notebook that actually acts like a portable, but sadly the battery life is about the only thing that this tablet has going for it."

      Question: If you're using a laptop, as opposed to a desktop, are you not focusing on mobility over performance? If so, does it really matter if it's not as fast provided it's more portable and lasts longer on a battery?

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    2. Re:Interesting, but I think I'll pass by kennyj449 · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about desktops? As an aside, it's also rather heavy for its size, has a smallish screen for its price, and has low performance for its price. As I said, battery life is the only thing it really has going for it, and for that pricetag, I'd much sooner take a nice Vaio or Powerbook and grab a couple of extra batteries.

    3. Re:Interesting, but I think I'll pass by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      How do change batteries while the laptop is unplugged? Or if it's plugged in, why do you need long battery life? Or is it a case of having access to an outlet for the few seconds required to change batteries?

    4. Re:Interesting, but I think I'll pass by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Who said anything about desktops?"

      Well, I know you didn't pick a laptop over a desktop because it was cheaper and/or faster.

      I'm not trying to arm twist you into wanting a TPC. Just trying to explain that speed's not everything. One of the things I really enjoy about my TabletPC is that I occasionally do sysadmin'ish jobs around the office. The TPC has built in ethernet and 802.11. I can walk around the office and use it without having to clear a spot to set it down. (Especially great when taking inventory.) Twice as many ghz and a bigger screen would not make this job go ANY easier.

      It's all up to your needs, but I think the whole "well it doesn't perform as fast" argument is fairly weak considering this is the site that constantly makes comments about the average Joe not needing more than 300 mhz.

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    5. Re:Interesting, but I think I'll pass by jokell82 · · Score: 1
      How do change batteries while the laptop is unplugged?
      You put it to sleep and swap out the batteries. Open it back up and you're good to go in only 10 seconds worth of down time. You DO have a Powerbook, right?
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    6. Re:Interesting, but I think I'll pass by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      This basically works with Toshiba's also. You hibernate windows, change the battery and restore. Takes about a minute as I'm kind of fumbly with the battery stuff what with it having 3 switches to move to release.

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    7. Re:Interesting, but I think I'll pass by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Is sleep the same as shutting down? Because I don't like shutting down. And no, it's not a Powerbook.

    8. Re:Interesting, but I think I'll pass by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      I don't have a Toshiba, I rarely run Windows, and can it hibernate without rebooting/shutting down?

    9. Re:Interesting, but I think I'll pass by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      Well, sort of. When you hibernate, the computer saves the RAM data and cuts power. When you resume, the computer powers back up to exactly where you were before, in about 15 seconds. It just restores the RAM state, it doesn't reboot.

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  12. Tablet PC's? by caryw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Honestly, am I missing something? I don't mean to troll, but what is the huge advantage of being able to write on a pc screen with crappy recognition software? I don't understand where the market for this kind of device is. I would much rather have a skinny VAIO laptop or a new powerbook. Do that many people need to use a computer standing up? Perhaps it's for taking notes? I still can type much faster than my fastest shorthand scrawl...
    I understand the need for PDA devices where a full sized keyboard isn't practical, but if the device is going to be laptop sized anyway...

    Just wondering.
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    1. Re:Tablet PC's? by XFilesFMDS1013 · · Score: 1

      Geek factor

    2. Re:Tablet PC's? by oneiros27 · · Score: 1

      Using a laptop assumes that you have a lap (or other suitable surface) to place it. Basically, tablets are a goodreplacement for things that might've otherwise have been done by someone with a clipboard, while they're standing. (the medical profession comes to mind quickly... I'm guessing there are other uses as well).

      Having something to quickly show something, and pass it back and forth between people might be useful, too. (sales? real estate?)

      I'm not in one of those fields, so to me, it's fluff ... just the bad input of a PDA combined with the bulky inconvenience of a laptop.

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    3. Re:Tablet PC's? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      I got couple of places in mind where a tablet would be good.

      well, actually.. one. while lying in bed(for reading comics, books and so on).

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    4. Re:Tablet PC's? by fembots · · Score: 1

      I do have reaons to use a Tablet PC. As a "road slave", I have to travel to places (by car, bus, rail) very frequently.

      After using a PDA and laptop for several months, they just don't cut it. PDA is too small to do anything useful, while a laptop can't function without proper input devices, and it's difficult to do that in car/bus/rail.

    5. Re:Tablet PC's? by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Tablet PC's make excellent point of care medical devices. It's a pain to type on a screen or use a little mouse while your talking to a patient. It's much nicer to tap on afew fields.

    6. Re:Tablet PC's? by Monkelectric · · Score: 1
      Honestly, am I missing something?

      Nope, but your confusion is understandable. You have to understand something -- laptops are the *NEW* desktops. I know widows and old grannies with notebook pcs -- prices have dropped RADICALLY this last year. Manufacturers need *SOMETHING* to sell at a premium to replace notebooks, They want tablets to be that thing, but I cant see taht anyone cares. The only people really excited about tablets are people who make kiosks -- its all the hardware they need for cheap (had a brief sting in the industry)

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    7. Re:Tablet PC's? by Rac3r5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually there are a couple of uses. When I was in class in school, taking notes after notes, it would be nice to be able to take these notes down in digital format and not having to carry a big heavy binder. But wait, I can also search through my notes for stuff now. I don't have to worry about pages falling apart or carrying a binder for each class. Suppose im on the skyTrain or bus or sitting on my bead studying, I can go through my notes with relative ease... actually search through the stuff etc.. Thats just one instance. There are so many more... Now I just wish I had a tablet PC when I was in uni... btw,I use handwriting recognition software on my PocketPC and it works just great.

    8. Re:Tablet PC's? by SuperRob · · Score: 5, Informative

      As a college student, I'll tell you that the Tablet PC coupled with Microsoft's OneNote software is a killer app for the Tablet PC. I was able to type notes, draw pictures, record a lecture as an audio clip (annotated with written notes), and grab a couple of web screenshots into a note file for my class, then catalogue and index the notes and make it all searchable. That is incredibly powerful.

      That said, the recognition software is NOT crappy, it's remarkably accurate considering my terrible handwriting, and any mistakes are also easy to fix. This is assuming you have Windows XP SP2, which has updated TIP/Recognition software in it. The initial software wasn't nearly as robust.

    9. Re:Tablet PC's? by nofx_3 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we all really need a $1,500 tablet to make comic book reading more convenient. Seriously though, comic books are $1.50 to $3.50 or so even if you read 10 comic books every month at $3.50 a pop, you can keep going for 43 months at which point your tablet would have been long obsolete and updated.

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    10. Re:Tablet PC's? by Council · · Score: 1

      I have a cheap older tablet I picked up off eBay for about $150. It runs win98 and is good for quietly using in class; I can basically stick it in my notebook. But overall, it hasn't worked as a notebook replacement for me -- I still do all my equations and diagrams in my graph paper engineering notebooks like I used to. Maybe I just need better software, but overall it hasn't been as useful as I thought.

      However, drawing in paint is fun, and I can see using it for some photoshopping. I'm not so good at doing smooth lines with the mouse, and the tablet makes sketching easy.

      BUT!

      All that pales in comparison to the fact that my girlfriend loves drawing on it, and the tablet form factor makes it easier to curl up with both her and it. So it stays.

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    11. Re:Tablet PC's? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are any number of business uses for this in engineering, maintenance roles, inspector roles, doctors, nurses, etc.

      I work for a small county Environmental Health Department and our database app actually has a front end designed for use with a tablet PC. It uses a replicated database to allow a Health Inspector to conduct an inspection at a facility (restaurant, gas station, chemical plant, etc) and then provide the owner with a fully formatted, official report on the spot - something that used to take days and required the inspector to hand enter his notes from the inspection when he returned to the office. Tablets can be very powerful and useful tools in the right situation - a tablet with an 8 hour battery life removes one of the biggest obstacles to adopting them in environments where they could really make a difference.

    12. Re:Tablet PC's? by Webtommy88 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I wish i had mod points to mod you up.

      This is especially useful because all my notes come in PDF format so it works incredibly well by opening the pdf in acrobat and editing it straight.

      Also, being a CS/Math major, writting complex equations is alot easier then on a keyboard.

    13. Re:Tablet PC's? by Mumpsman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is quite a high demand for these kinds of things in the medical field where physicians do indeed need to use a computer standing up. They need to be able to roam from one exam room to the next without having to drag a cart full of paper medical records. They also tend to work long hours and have low tolerances for having to do un-godlike things like swapping out batteries or returning to a docking station to get a new tablet.

      All of which typically would mean that this might be a welcome advance in the medical field except the software is still all crap...

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    14. Re:Tablet PC's? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Actually, I can use a laptop standing up, though it's not great. Put one arm underneath the laptop diagonally while typing/mousing with the other hand.

    15. Re:Tablet PC's? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      What proper input devices? I can type on my laptop while riding a bus as long as the ride isn't too bumpy (damn street rebuilding). Of course, I have a laptop cooler to put between my laptop and my lap.

    16. Re:Tablet PC's? by Ruiner808 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I run a company that creates software for chiropractors to create all of their various patient treatment forms. The software was designed with the tablet in mind as the portability is of great use. Several of our offices also used to do all of their notes on paper, so it provides a familiar form-factor. Plus, they can continue to handwrite which also eases the transition to being paperless. So for them, tablets have been a great choice for equipment.

      We have used the Electrovaya's before in our implementations. The response has been so-so about quality, but the battery life gets RAVE reviews. The chiropractors love it because they can carry it for a full day of treating patients with no recharging necessary. However, some of the one's that we have used in the past tend to be quite heavy, like the SC300. This thing weighs a TON when you have to carry it around all day.

      So to answer the question, this is a market which is very much in need of tablets as they definitely fill a market void.

    17. Re:Tablet PC's? by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Honestly, am I missing something? I don't mean to troll, but what is the huge advantage of being able to write on a pc screen with crappy recognition software?"

      You can use it standing up. I've used mine to walk around the office taking inventory and entering it into a spreadsheet. I loathe the thought of doing that with a VAIO.

      Oh, and btw, the recognition isn't so crappy.

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    18. Re:Tablet PC's? by tyman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The target market for Tablets isn't the average slashdot user. People who would rather have laptops, get laptops. The highest markets are for corporate installs where the workers are on their feet most of their day. For example, in the medical field where nurses need to fill in hundreds of pages of forms a day and have to move from patient to patient. You replace a clipboard with a Tablet and it functions in the same way, but the forms can be easily coordinated with a server so a doctor can access all documents on a patient he needs from his tablet, as soon as it is filled in by the nurse.

    19. Re:Tablet PC's? by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed. Once people try them for more then a few minutes at a trade show they see the light.
      The Tablet PC takes mobility to a whole new level in a way that no regular laptop could.
      Even the Mac people I work with are jealous.

    20. Re:Tablet PC's? by larryj · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At least at my office, pecking away at a keyboard during a meeting is a bit rude.

      I sit in meetings and quietly take notes. I have 2 years worth of notes that I can search in seconds. That's my handwriting that I'm searching through too. If I want, I can convert it to text but I've never really found a need to do that. I can also record the audio of the meeting and my notes are highlighted at the appropriate time during playback.

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    21. Re:Tablet PC's? by caino59 · · Score: 1

      ll that pales in comparison to the fact that my girlfriend loves drawing on it, and the tablet form factor makes it easier to curl up with both her and it. So it stays.


      Umm....anyone else disturbed by this..?

      I'm a geek through and through and all...but sharing my woman and bed with computer equipmnet?

    22. Re:Tablet PC's? by 2k4u · · Score: 1

      One great use I see for the tablet PC is drawing. I have not tryed one yet but the tablet PC digitizers are made by Wacom (the same people who make high quality tablets for graphics artists!) It would be great to lay in bed (or wherever) and sketch on a screen.

    23. Re:Tablet PC's? by oneiros27 · · Score: 1

      The point is -- if it's inconvenient, you're not going to do it. It's fine for the occassional thing, but that's just not acceptable for something that you need to do every day in order to accomplish your job.

      The input from a tablet may be crap, but it's still better than trying to use a laptop standing up.

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    24. Re:Tablet PC's? by uhlume · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, the girl does seem pretty extraneous, here...

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    25. Re:Tablet PC's? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you need to spend 3k on "toys" to take notes then you have bad study skills..

      Seriously...

      If there is one thing that drives me up the wall it's morons like you who spend all their time playing around with computers/PDAs/mobile phones WHATEVER - When they should be learning. (there always seems to be one or two in class)

      Do you have any idea how distracting it is to have some arsehole typing away in a lecture only to get up halfway through to recharge their laptop or swap the tape over on their dictaphone? Do you even care?

      Here's a tip:

      Taking notes in a lecture is a device to help to stay awake or remember what you are learning. You do not note *everything* You only have to jot down the odd keyword or outline or question. Just enough to create an *engagement* with the material being presented. Only after the the lecture is finished do you make up notes. Hoplefully; while the information is still fresh in your head. If you can't remember something from the lecture you LOOK IT UP!! - it is a learning exercise, not a "micromanageing your toys" or building "leet file skillz" exercise.

      I sware, freshers get dumber every year.

      I guess I will just console myself with the thought of you having to explain to you're parents why you failed you're midterms.

    26. Re:Tablet PC's? by asciiRider · · Score: 1

      Software doesn't matter...
      I work for a healthcare org that is completely paperless. Charts are electronic. Wireless Wyse Terminals at the bedside -

      Most of the clinical apps are deployed via Citrix.

    27. Re:Tablet PC's? by Jaxxes · · Score: 1

      I've used my tablet for anything that involves taking notes, jotting down information quickly, or annotating documents. Basically instead of carrying around two or three binders with papers scattered everywhere, I keep everything in my tablet. I also access electronic text books online, print copies to my disk, and take notes there rather than buying the full books.

      In my spare time, I use my tablet as a sketchpad, using the free program Artrage http://www.ambient.gen.nz/artrage.html.

      So instead of carrying around all my books, all my binders, my laptop and my PDA, I have everything on my tablet.

      For more info, check out http://studenttabletpc.blogs.com/the_student_table t_pc/ and http://tabletpcbuzz.com/.

    28. Re:Tablet PC's? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Why is using a laptop standing up so inconvenient? How is it easier to use a tablet PC standing up?

    29. Re:Tablet PC's? by oneiros27 · · Score: 1

      If you're trying to enter information, the typical mode of input from a laptop is to type, which expects both hands to be available. This is not the case if you're trying to balance the laptop in one arm, while typing one-handed.

      Tablets, on the other hand, provide for input through writing. Writing can easily be done with one hand, while you are holding the tablet in the other.

      The hinged design of laptops also moves their center of gravity so that they are more difficult to balance on your arm.

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    30. Re:Tablet PC's? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      I can type one-handed. And the center of gravity isn't too bad.

    31. Re:Tablet PC's? by lpq · · Score: 1

      Mumpsman wrote:
      > There is quite a high demand for these kinds of things in the medical field
      > where physicians do indeed need to use a computer standing up.
      ^^^ -- this explains this:
      SuperRob wrote:
      > That said, the recognition software is NOT crappy, it's remarkably accurate
      > considering my terrible handwriting
      ======

      The recognition software has to be good to read the average M.D.'s handwriting. Heck...might even work for me -- and as to why one would need it over a keyboard? You try drawing a picture with a mouse. There's many times I want to put a diagram into an email -- creating it in "Paint" was absolutely painful. Having it built-in to recognize drawing sounds cool.

      Additionally -- sometimes writing by hand is good for writing quick
      notes where trying to type with a keyboard would be difficult due to space or computer placement. Portable keyboards are not exactly ergonomic.

      -l

  13. Just how many days? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Insightful
    10,200 mAh SuperPolymer battery which will get you through a work day without a charge.

    Just how many days will it get you through, before its capacity degrades below 8 hours?

    --
    "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
    1. Re:Just how many days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It'll last you about 10 months roughly before the battery stops holding 100% charge. Other then a nice screen and great battery life the unit is made of cheap plastic. The keyboard stand would crack and the docking station would warp in no time. Once it warps you have to buy a new docking station which cost $490. Their techsupport dept. didn't exist a year ago, but has improved. The unit is way overpriced.

    2. Re:Just how many days? by GuyFawkes · · Score: 1

      Lithium-ion batteries are a lot like TFT backlights, you can accurately describe their degradation over time as a half life. li-on half life is about 12 months, so you can say half the capacity in 12 months and therefore half the runtime.

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  14. It had to be said... by Matthaeus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Many Dothans died to bring us this processor.

  15. I'm sure it's nice, but by Ulrich+Hobelmann · · Score: 0, Redundant

    for more than $2000(!), would you really buy a 12" machine, and not, say, a slick Vaio, Powerbook, or ThinkPad?

  16. 4.5lbs = 2.0kg by fembots · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's kind of heavy for a tablet. I'm not sure if battery life is more important than having to hand hold an additional kg.

    1. Re:4.5lbs = 2.0kg by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      That's heavier than my 4.3-lb. Averatec.

  17. 4.5 lbs & 8 hrs by winkydink · · Score: 1

    Heck, who carers if it's a tablet too. It'd make a damn fine notebook.

    --

    "I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey

  18. Re:Not bad by FiReaNGeL · · Score: 1

    For work usage, you don't really need more than 1.4Ghz. Also, remember that More Ghz = More Power requirements = less battery life. I can accept waiting 2 milliseconds more for Word to check-up my spelling if it means 2 hours more battery life.

  19. Mon Mothma Reports by White+Roses · · Score: 4, Funny

    Many Dothans died to bring us this information.

    --
    Do not touch -Willie
    1. Re:Mon Mothma Reports by gold23 · · Score: 1

      It's "Bothans". See Google.

      --
      Trust not a man who's rich in flax / His morals may be sadly lax
    2. Re:Mon Mothma Reports by White+Roses · · Score: 1
      Yes.

      I know.

      If you had been sitting behind me when I typed it, you would have seen that I didn't even need Google to remember the quote, or who said it. The humor, which you seem to have missed, is that the processor for this tablet is called a Dothan. Since a D is only a few pixels from a B, it seemed funny to me (and at least three mods agreed) to replace Bothans with Dothans. Humor ensues. Or rather, in this case, a pun, or play on words, in which case groaning ensues.

      I do hope I've managed to clarify the humor for you. Probably to the point where it's no longer funny.

      Remember, he who laughs last, thinks slowest.

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  20. Right for a Certain Market? by Delilah+Jones · · Score: 1

    I think this could be good for people who aren't as interested in the conventional laptop or desktop.

    The question is, which market are they going after?

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    1. Re:Right for a Certain Market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question is, which market are they going after?

      This tablet isn't meant to replace a laptop as a laptop isn't meant to replace a home PC.
      Personally, I'd find this thing very useful (although at a much lower price) for field data collecting and mobile data presentation. Forget about writing excel pages or perl scripts with it.

    2. Re:Right for a Certain Market? by Delilah+Jones · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's a good point.

      I guess the nuances in user interface would make it worth while for some (agreed about the price, though!).

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  21. Re:Not bad by John+Seminal · · Score: 1, Funny
    8 Hours is good, but a 1.4Ghz processor? Not worth my money, I would wait a couple of months to let the better companies one-up them,

    Exactly how fast must the chipmunk spin the exercise wheel for you to be happy?

    --

    Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."

  22. Charging time by 9gezegen · · Score: 1

    Look at the charging time: 5 hours 15 min when the computer is off. It looks like half of the day will go draining the battery while the other half will go charging it. I guess that is normal though. My two hour life compaq takes around one hour to charge.

    1. Re:Charging time by rusty0101 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, let me see, I pick the tablet out of it's charging station as I head out the door to work in the morning. It's fully charged. I won't be using it while I am driving, though I may use it to do some e-book reading, or possibly a bit of scribling while on the bus. Then again perhaps not, it will take a couple minutes to come out of hybernate mode, only to be put back in hibernate, or suspend as I am getting off the bus, and walking to my cube.

      I drop it in the charging base/expansion ports at the desk, and log into the network, sync up my e-mail, discover my first meeting got bumped up 30 min, so I grab the system out of the dock and head to my first meeting.

      Meeting to meeting in the morning, but time for a few minutes in the charger just before lunch. So I respond to a few e-mails, declining a couple of meetings that I really won't be able to make, etc. I get a bit of a power boost as a result of that half hour or so, and grab and go to my first afternoon meeting.

      Around 4:30 my battery starts flashing red, letting me know I have about an hour of life left in it, so after the last meeting I get my system back into the docking station to clean things up for the day, grab what paperwork I might need for the night, suspend the system (which I have been doing between meetings) catch the bus home.

      5:30, home. It's time for dinner, so I take the tablet and drop it in the charging station at home. I really don't have any interest in dropping food on the screen, or anything like that.

      After dinner I spend a couple of hours getting caught up with work while the kids are watching a sitcom or two, then put the system in hybernate as I send the kids to bed, and the wife and I cuddle up to watch our shows, and go to bed ourselves. System sit's effectively off, and charging overnight, (about 8 hours, give or take depending on how much we liked the show, and how soon we headed to bed.)

      Wake up, and we are back to the begining.

      Note that the 5:15 of charging time is not a problem. It does charge some while in the docking stations, but we are not talking ni-cads here, and it does get a full charge every night. (Well except for the nights you are using it to look at pr0n because you don't have a wife or kids. Try not to get the screen too sticky.)

      ~Rusty

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  23. Thats nothing... by DeckardJK · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Re:Thats nothing... by lpp · · Score: 1

      Wow. A 10 GHz processor? 30,000 GB of HDD? Da-yum!

    2. Re:Thats nothing... by jhoger · · Score: 1

      But how does it compare with this:

      http://www.planetnz.com/palmheads/tandy.php

      20 hours battery life with AA non-proprietary batteries, and skip the wonky character recognition...

      I'm really looking forward to the day when modern portables are actually, well, portable...

    3. Re:Thats nothing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I R A DORK. I SPAM REFERER LINKS BECAUSE I HOPE TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF THEM.

      Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
      Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

  24. Re:SuperPolymer? More likely... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    doll is made of the same thing. And I have never gotten 10 hours from her

    More likely, she has never gotten 10 minutes from you.

    --
    "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
  25. Re:Not bad by winkydink · · Score: 1

    Do you suffer from some shortcoming where you have to have the biggest, err, fastest processor?

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    "I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey

  26. Incredible battery life by nunchux · · Score: 1

    Eight hours really is incredible... And I was under the impression that it wasn't possible. Why isn't more effort being made to develop longer lasting batteries? Seems like the 3-5 hour standard hasn't been pushed since the turn of the century, and I'm tired of squinting at dim screens to eek out an extra hour of life on a long plane ride.

    1. Re:Incredible battery life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Dell Inspiron 500m laptop lasts 8 hours. Bought it in october 2003. It has 2 batteries and a 1.5Ghz Banias cpu. So don't say 5 hours cant be beaten!

    2. Re:Incredible battery life by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Batteries have been getting better. These lithium polymers for example. It's easy to get the idea that other areas of engineering should advance as quickly as semiconductors, but the reality isn't such.

      One fundamental problem is that storing large amounts of energy in a small space is inherently dangerous, unless it has intrinsic output limiting. Think of shorting a carbon-zinc D-cell battery vs igniting the same volume of gasoline. One is much more dangerous!

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    3. Re:Incredible battery life by anakin876 · · Score: 1

      Battery science has improved somewhat, but it is limited by the chemicals we use to make the batteries. Lithium polmyer batteries are the latest and greatest (I believe) but the chemistry behind the scenes neccesary to make even better batteries is extremely difficult.

  27. I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC by Pingsmoth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    and it had a guy in the stairwell writing something on his tablet. The tagline of the ad was something like "For those times when inspiration occurs between floors". The gist of it was that with a tablet PC you are not limited to using a PC at your desk, or some other such stationary place.

    What it left me wondering, though, was why not whip out a note pad or sticky note?

    The tablet PC has yet to prove itself as a device that is truly useful and practical--moreso than any notebook computer, that is. It may function just fine, and it may be a fine product, but it still seems to have very little actual purpose.

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    1. Re:I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC by bird603568 · · Score: 1

      The only thing it was over a ultralight with a nice battery life is you can write on it. I agree that The tablet PC has yet to prove itself as a device that is truly useful and practical. You could always do the balance the noteboke in one hand and type with the other.

    2. Re:I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC by rpozz · · Score: 1

      I think they have some use in industry, basically as a glorified clipboard which can connect wirelessly to a server, but for the home or office user, I would think they'd be of limited use.

    3. Re:I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC by Pingsmoth · · Score: 1

      Good point. In some settings they do have a use, but it seems like the makers of Tablet PCs are, in large part, simply trying to reinvent the wheel.

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    4. Re:I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC by kgruscho · · Score: 1

      Practical things I can do on my tablet.
      1: Store ALL of my notebooks on the tablet AND back them up. Search through them electronically. Resize text I've already written (e.g. add space where I didn't think I'd need it)
      2: Store insanely large amounts of articles in PDF/mdi (microsoft's off2003 printing imager) and scribble comments in the margins. I can keep every article I have to read and my thoughts on them (over 3 file cabinets worth of paper) and keep them at hand access.
      3: Fit all of above in a very small messenger bag/hold it one hand.
      4: I do both of standing up usage and the lying down usage, tablet in bed when your sick is way more comfy than laptop.

    5. Re:I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC by Pingsmoth · · Score: 1

      You bring up some good points, but other than the ability to scribble in the margins and use the tablet while lying down, I don't see much difference between a tablet and a laptop or standard PDA. But while I would not buy one, I do see the appeal, however limited it may be. (i.e. tablets really have not taken off as any sort of mobile revolution in the way notebook PCs did in the late 90's)

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    6. Re:I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Marketing for these up to now has not been great. In fact it's been lousy.
      Fortunately that is starting to change and I've seen some good ads by Toshiba and I hear there's one by HP.
      Word of mouth is the strongest selling point though. Whenever I let someone use mine for a bit they are hungry for more. The pen is such a natural interface but it's hard to put that across in an ad.

    7. Re:I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC by gold23 · · Score: 1

      The MS ad sounds ridiculous, but the advantage is that you can't lose notes written into OneNote -- they're all in one place, searchable, organized as well as you care to organize them.

      Obviously, the Tablet PC has yet to prove itself to you. So you're welcome not to buy one. But just because you can't see any benefit from them doesn't mean that is the general case as well.

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    8. Re:I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC by Pingsmoth · · Score: 1

      But just because you can't see any benefit from them doesn't mean that is the general case as well.

      I'm glad someone is buying them, because I believe this is a market that has a lot of potential. Just because I don't see the need for one now doesn't mean others don't. I think, as someone already mentioned, the problem here is marketing. If MS, Toshiba, HP, etc. could get their message out that tablets do have some useful features, more people (such as myself) would buy them.

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    9. Re:I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC by TheHonestTruth · · Score: 1
      What it left me wondering, though, was why not whip out a note pad or sticky note?

      Hi. I'm your lawyer. I'll be happy to bill you for the time it takes me to enter what I wrote on my note pad into the contract I am editing on my computer. Or to do the same for all my illegible-to-even-my-secretary revisions that I made to print out of the same contract when on the train home. Effectively I get to double bill you (no, I don't really do this, but it DOES cut into productivity to effectively do something twice).

      Seriously, here's my thing as a law student: all my class notes are done via highlight coloring. Yellow for facts, green for issue, pink for reasoning, etc. That's great if I lug my book around. But if I were to download the pdfs of all my cases, and highlight them on my computer, as well as annotate (and search), it makes organizing notes and creating course outlines at the end of the year a lot easier and more productive. I am dying for a tablet PC. Just need to scrape up $1500+ somewhere.

      -truth

      --

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    10. Re:I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC by kgruscho · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      perhaps I should clarify that my notes are in the exact same format as my paper except digital. (and the ablity to resize the sheet of paper to fit the notes..) e.g. half scribbly notes. some weird math symbols, etc. (even the odd sketches) It would be a royal royal pain in the ass to use a standard PDA to take full page equivalent notes.

    11. Re:I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC by gold23 · · Score: 1

      I think that regardless of the hype surrounding the marketing of Tablet PCs, people who have a use for them will find them and use them.

      Personally, I simply enjoy being able to write my notes rather than type them. I also use the tablet for photoshopping, sketching, and painting.

      They are *great* for kids as well. I have a 2.5-year old who loves to draw in Windows Journal and can even understand and use the 15x15 "Next Page" button. There are also at least a few fun Flash games that lend themselves to tablets (at pbs.org, for example). It requires a certain abstraction to understand the correlation between moving the mouse and the movement of the pointer across the screen. But the tablet and stylus provide a more direct way to interact, which a toddler can "get" instantly.

      Finally, just to establish some geek cred, I'll note that it's a dual-boot system, running Debian with a custom 2.6.9 kernel. I'm still working on getting the tablet input and screen orientation functional, but I expect I'll be able to ride on someone else's coattails if I don't figure it out sooner. That said, if anyone *has* figured these items out for the Acer TravelMate C300, I'd love to hear from you!

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    12. Re:I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC by Pingsmoth · · Score: 1

      Most of my problems with the whole Tablet PC concept stem from the marketing: how are you supposed to sell this thing? It's not a laptop, it's not a desktop, it's not a palm pilot, and yet it seems to do most of the same thing those other devices do, and costs upwards of a thousand dollars. I can't think of any situation in which I would have a good use for it, but it certainly would be cool to have. I never thought about using it for kids, though. That's a really good idea...

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    13. Re:I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC by gold23 · · Score: 1

      I don't know about "tablet-only" devices, but mine's a laptop, a convertible.

      I also love the amazement people show when I let them try the handwriting recognition, or Corel Painter.

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  28. Re:Not bad by stratjakt · · Score: 1

    Not all of us do data entry or network support, sparky.

    One of our companies' apps takes a half hour or so to compile on my 2.4ghz P4M laptop, that's an long, awkward, span of time to sit there drumming your fingers in front of a client.

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  29. Re:Not bad by BFaucet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's a joke, right?

    I highly doubt this tablet was designed with heavy computing in mind. 1.4 GHz Intel chip is more than enough to do word processing, email, watch video, paint, even play many popular games.

    I don't know anyone who would get a tablet for heavy processing.

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  30. Re:SuperPolymer? by EverDense · · Score: 2, Funny

    Man, my plastic fuck doll is made of the same thing. And I have never gotten 10 hours from her.

    Sorry to have to break this to you on SlashDot. She definitely lasts 10 hours, its just someone
    else (i.e. the Milkman) is getting a couple of hours of her time every day (if you know what I mean).

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  31. Re:SuperPolymer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your username seems fitting.

  32. Dothan @ 1.4 GHz almost == Pentium 4 @ 2.4 GHz by codergeek42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because of the way the Dothan (a.k.a. Pentium M) is designed and wired with the rest of the Centrino chipset, it can do more per cycle. In fact, a good rule of thumb for Pentium-M (and Dothans, likewise) is to add one GHz or so and thats the equivalently-rated Pentium 4 speed. There's a good article on Wikipedia with more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_M#Dothan

  33. Re:Not bad by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    8 Hours is good, but a 1.4Ghz processor.

    Keep using your laptop with a three hour battery. It may take me five more seconds to open up MS Excel each time, but that five seconds will be meaningless when your machine has run out of battery power.

  34. Who Cares? by TimeTraveler1884 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Review of the 8 Hour Tablet
    This is old news. Everyone knows that timed-release capsules are what's hot these days.

    1. Re:Who Cares? by ShaunC · · Score: 1
      Everyone knows that timed-release capsules are what's hot these days.
      Yeah, I was disappointed in the story. I thought the "8 hour tablet" meant that Cialis was going to start coming in double-strength versions...
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  35. No. by codergeek42 · · Score: 0

    From the summary: "It's a Windows XP Tablet Edition with lots of the features you'd expect on a high end slate machine." I can't get to the article so I have no idea of the specs of this and whether or not putting GNU/Linux on it would be possible or plausible.

  36. 8-hour Tablet? by eomnimedia · · Score: 0, Redundant

    An 8-hour tablet sounds good, but I'll stick with my all-day sucker for now.

    Maybe if they can get the tablet into caplet form and make it last 12 hours, then I'll reconsider.

  37. Depends on your software and what you're doing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We just had the annual book fair where all the publishers set up booths and try to get the profs to use their over-priced textbooks. This kind of device was the hot item among the book mongers. They could stand there and talk to you while they poked away at their tablets. Mostly I couldn't see the screens off angle so if they wanted to show me something they had to turn it so it was hard for them to see. Otherwise, it looked like it was convenient for them and easier than using a regular laptop.

  38. Electrovaya... sounds familiar by rsborg · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I looked around a bit, and found . These guys used to sell a battery that I really wanted (claimed 16 hour charge). However, my boss at the time wouldn't shell out. Now a bit later (4 yrs), I realize that it was probably not worth it, since I didn't travel as much.... but it still would have been nice, since
    1. I have cycled through about 6 laptops in the past 4 years and
    2. I still travel once in a while.
    However, I did hear that the charge runs out pretty quickly (i wonder if I'd get as much as 3 hours from that pad these days), and the external batteries can be annoying (warm, and extra gadget to pack).... but some of my coworkers swear by their 2nd or 3rd spare battery for the long haul trip.

    I wonder if buying the external battery might be a better investment than this new tablet?

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    1. Re:Electrovaya... sounds familiar by markomni · · Score: 1

      I posted about Electrovaya on my site before (http://www.ask-mark.com/?p=216). I don't know if their battery tech has gotten any better, but our previous experience with them (both the batteries and the company) was less than stellar. To sum it up: the batteries, as they were engineered, were known by the company to expand and/or explode. Electrovaya refused to help us with our problem, suggesting that this was normal. They also conveniently reduced their warrantee coverage when they noticed many of their customers were requesting warrantee repairs/replacements.

    2. Re:Electrovaya... sounds familiar by inKubus · · Score: 1

      You could always use an Unlicensed Hydrogen-Based Device, but don't try to get on a plane without proper documentation.

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  39. I didn't see any mention of heat... by PornMaster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Given that a tablet is probably meant to be written on while held in one arm... are there hotspots on these things that slowly cook your arm?

    1. Re:I didn't see any mention of heat... by sholden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You must have missed this part:

      "When unplugged, the unit stays surprisingly cool and won't toast your arm."

  40. Re:Not bad by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Then you probably wouldn't be using a Tablet PC, would you?

    You look at your needs and you takes your choices. I have a 1.1Ghz Compaq/HP TC 1100 and for most tasks (even including, surprisingly enough, Photoshop), it works quite well.

  41. Re:Not bad by Dobeln · · Score: 1

    You can't just compare the P4 (Or P4M) architecture with the P-M architecture MHz-wise. The P-M gets a lot more done per clock than the P4.

  42. Bluetooth? by voidware · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, but there's no bluetooth. Isn't the point of these things to give me more freedom? Well, I hate wires.

    1. Re:Bluetooth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even piano wires?

  43. Re:Not bad by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    One of our companies' apps takes a half hour or so to compile on my 2.4ghz P4M laptop, that's an long, awkward, span of time to sit there drumming your fingers in front of a client.

    Since most corporate desktops are rarely 3.2GHz gaming machines with 1 Gig of RAM (in fact, most of the corporate desktops I use are barely more powerful than your laptop), I would first guess that you are running on a wireless network or cable modem. A cable modem is not a T1 line, after all. And, since it is not a T1 line, it takes much longer to compile.

  44. I agree by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 5, Funny

    I totally agree with you... after all this is clearly targetted at real-time 3D modelling (what else would you use a portable battery-operated device for?), so we do need something with quad 3.7GHz Xeons.

    1. Re:I agree by mobilebuddha · · Score: 1

      just think, playing everquest2 in a meeting and everyone think you are working frantically to solve IT problems. that'd require a tablet w/ 2gb of ram and a 9700pro vid card.

  45. "High End"..."1.4 GHz" ? LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah.. ok. I'll dish out a whole $200 for that.

  46. I like the wacom tablets better. by Eunuch · · Score: 1

    You effectively decouple controlling the pen from your perception of what you write. Even with a tablet PC the pen will be in the way. And the wacom tablets track the pen even when it's lifted about a half inch.

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    1. Re:I like the wacom tablets better. by pkhuong · · Score: 2, Informative

      Aahh, disinformation. Guess who makes just about every tablet's (except the, iirc, HPaq TC-1k) digitiser? Wacom.

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    2. Re:I like the wacom tablets better. by gold23 · · Score: 1

      To each his own, I guess, but one of the benefits I enjoy in a Tablet PC (over my Wacom tablet) is the ability to draw directly on the screen.

      And not having to drag around an extra piece of hardware, and string cables, etc.

      As for the pen tracking, well, my Acer TravelMate C300 has a Wacom digitizer, so it works in the same fashion as my old Wacom ArtZ. In fact, I was able to use the stylus from that with my tablet without any problems.

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  47. Li-ion vs Li-poly by adralien · · Score: 4, Informative

    Lithium ion is far superior to Li-polymer, Electrovaya's polymer is well known for only getting 200-300 cycles, only a year of use for business... Li-ion typically gets 500 to 1000 cycles with a nicer fade over the life cycle.

    1. Re:Li-ion vs Li-poly by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      But Li-poly is easier to get into cramped enclosures, right? Less heinous material means no metal box.

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    2. Re:Li-ion vs Li-poly by adralien · · Score: 1

      True, but the battery they're using is 10,000mAh, or (likely) about 110 Watt-hours... it's going to be big and heavy no matter which Li chemistry you use.

      Li-ion cylindrical cells -still- have the highest energy per weight and energy per volume. There are so many made by so many companies that cost is lower and performance is better.

      My experience is a tablet uses about 140Wh per day in full use (stock trading), which would jive with the comment about the electrovaya tablet "only" giving 6 hours instead of 8.

      I would suspect that after 8 months of use, this tablet would have similar performance to a Fujitsu or Motion tablet of the same age as Li-Polymer degrades faster than Li-ion.

    3. Re:Li-ion vs Li-poly by babyrat · · Score: 1

      Far superior in one way, but somewhat inferior in another...

      Li-Po batteries are used mainly for weight reduction over li-ions. I'm assuming they chose Li-pofor this application to keep the weight down as much as possible while still providing much capacity.

  48. Slate machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "with lots of the features you'd expect on a high end slate machine"

    Did they mean state machine? I have one of those.

  49. Toshiba M200 by freitasm · · Score: 4, Informative

    I vote for the Toshiba Portege M200 though. Much higher resolution (12.1" XVGA+ 1400x1050 pixels), faster Centrino (1.5GHz on mine, 1.6GHz on newer versions), SD card reader, PC Card slot, USB 2.0. And a very cool built-in accelerometer that is underused, but there's a demo application available called WinGimcana.

    1. Re:Toshiba M200 by Photo_Nut · · Score: 1

      I vote for the Toshiba Portege M200 though. Much higher resolution (12.1" XVGA+ 1400x1050 pixels), faster Centrino (1.5GHz on mine, 1.6GHz on newer versions), SD card reader, PC Card slot, USB 2.0. And a very cool built-in accelerometer that is underused, but there's a demo application available called WinGimcana.

      I will second that. I recently purchased a 2GHz M200 with the 512MB RAM and 60GB 7200 RPM drive option and BlueTooth. I got mine through a B2B deal from my company at a %25 discount for about $2000 (would cost about $2600 otherwise). The M200 is the most popular model of laptop in my building at work.

      The M200 is a great machine, but it does have its flaws (having one at home and one at work, I can attest to them):
      1) The LCD screen suffers outdoors.
      2) The track pad is a bit finnicky.
      3) No CD/DVD drive built-in.
      4) The bottom heats up to an uncomfortable level to place in your lap (doesn't seriously impact carrying the device, but I normally put a pillow between it and my lap when on the couch).
      5) The pen isn't always accurate, and needs to be calibrated too often.

      The device has a number of good things going for it:
      1) 12.1" SXGA (144DPI LCD) is very sharp. Amazing for Photoshop.
      2) 4.5lbs is very easy to carry, open or closed.
      3) The supplied pen isn't bad (not as good as the Cross Executive Penabled, but certainly better than an average Tablet stylus)
      4) Toshiba's excellent battery management software.
      5) The full sized QWERTY portion of the keyboard is comfortable. If I want to use an external (bluetooth or USB keyboard+mouse), I can use the tablet's base like a monitor stand.

      I really like the Convertible style tablet. The slate factor is nice to carry around, but a keyboard is a necessity and carrying around an external keyboard is a nuisance.

      The hybrid style where you have a slate with a specially designed clip-on keyboard that can be carried as a unit is one step above a slate, but the keyboards are one step below the convertible, and the base of the convertible are very solid and balance the device on your lap or desk well regardless of if you are in clamshell or slate mode.

      I bought the M200 because 10" is not enough for a full sized keyboard, 14" XGA is not enough resolution for serious photographic editing and is bulky. 12" SXGA+ is big enough for a full-sized keyboard, and is light enough to take around.

      Battery life on the M200 is great at about 4 hours for me (depends on many settings including how much you let the CPU throttle itself and how bright the screen is, how much time before you power down the disk drives, and how much you run the fan to cool the CPU).

    2. Re:Toshiba M200 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was considering buying the M200 and tested it quite a bit, but I found it way too heavy. Perhaps it depends on how you use it or perhaps I'm just a weakling, but I found that when trying to hold the tablet unsupported in my left arm while writing, I started getting tired in my left arm after a less than 10 minutes. Personally I'd never buy a a tablet that weight much over 2lbs, but YMMV. If I need a keyboard I can plug it into a USB port, I don't want to be carrying it with me when I don't need it.

  50. We had some Scribblers by DarthZen · · Score: 3, Informative

    The battery life we got with Scribblers was closer to about 6 hours than eight, but it's still pretty good.

    The irritating thing about them is that you have to manually turn the wireless connection on every time you boot the tablet. You can't make it automatic. Very irritating.

    In addition, we did a review on one model scribbler, which met our needs (2050, I believe). By the time we got around to ordering them, they had discontinued that model and gave us newer ones (2150, I believe) Every single one of the newer ones has had major issues remaining connected to the wireless network. They are constantly dropping packets. It's possible they fixed this in the 2250, but I'd be careful before buying one.

  51. Electrovaya Scribbler by fedbait · · Score: 1

    I do reviews for globetechnology.com, and I wrote a review of an earlier model of the Scribbler, which is here: http://tinyurl.com/4q4do In a nutshell, my verdict was great battery life but a few too many other flaws for my liking.

  52. Ah, you ever hear of PEN COMPUTING? by Infinite+Entropy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Judgeing by your comment I wonder if you realize that Tablet PCs are fundamentally pen-based computers. And the pen functionality is VERY slick indeed. I have a Toshiba M200 and its I never get tired of whipping it out in class and using it to take notes. Its really helped my to improve my note taking.

    1. Re:Ah, you ever hear of PEN COMPUTING? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...I never get tired of whipping it out in class and using it to take notes."

      This is so much funnier taken out of context!

    2. Re:Ah, you ever hear of PEN COMPUTING? by chaoaretasty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Completely agreed. My handwriting has always been messy, very messy, and not amazingly quick either. But I can type at 60 WPM, more than enough to keep up with my lecturers and be able to concentrate on what they mean rather than just what they say. Being on a physics course thoguh means lots and lots of diagrams making the pen invaluable.

  53. linux laptop power use by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    Be sure to use linux tools like apm to configure power consumption on your laptop -- often if you're running a standard distribution these tools are not configured properly for laptop use. More information here.

  54. Save the $$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're going to have a 5lb machine, get a refurbished Thinkpad and spent the $1600 you save on something more interesting:

    - a Valence external battery (5 hrs more - I have one and it's great for use in a park or on a long train ride)
    - an iPod to listen to and a bunch of legal music to go on it
    - a weekend at at nice hotel with the wife, four-star meals
    - jewelry to distract her from your purchases
    - a porn DVD to play on your Thinkpad in your hotel room
    - a packet of condoms

    Believe me, that's better than having the coolest Tablet PC among your geeky pals.

  55. Re:Not bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would first guess that you are running on a wireless network or cable modem. A cable modem is not a T1 line, after all. And, since it is not a T1 line, it takes much longer to compile.

    I do not think that word "compile" means what you think it means.

  56. but it's still running windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    put on a more efficient OS and it will magically run longer.

    1. Re:but it's still running windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right...

  57. Re:Not bad by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 2, Informative
    I do not think that word "compile" means what you think it means.

    Maybe. Maybe not. I think it means option 3 on this link. The Poster was complaining about the amount of time it took to "compile". I was pointing out that there are multiple reasons why it takes apps a long time to compile, not just chip speed.

  58. Why can't I get this in something simple? by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 2

    The eight hour battery life sounds impressive. But what I want to know is, why can't we get that kind of long lasting power out of boring old regular laptops? I don't need exotic features, but it seems that every time I go shopping for a working laptop power is at the bottom of the list, but there are tons of impressive power hogging features that are bundled with the product that I usually don't want or need.

    When I'm on the road, typically the only thing I need a laptop for is MS office (writing documents, working with spreadsheets), and occasionally working with some other third party apps like Primavera's Suretrak (which, incidentally, I hate).

    I can think of a number power hungry features that I don't want or need, that takes away my battery life:

    High-power graphics: I don't play 3d games on the laptop. I have a desktop at home for playing games, and if I'm bored on the road, my phone has enough entertainment titles installed on it to placate me. I don't do professional quality graphic arts work on the laptop. In reality, a 800x600 screen with 16 bit color would be aptly handle my work. So a power hungry graphics accelerator isn't needed, or any advanced graphics features. Also, I often find myself in well lit areas, and it would be nice to be able to easily turn off the backlight on the LCD display to save on juice, but I've yet to see that implemented.

    CPU hogging apps: Why is it every time I unpack a laptop, there seem to be dozens of background applications pre-installed? I don't need them, and I don't want them, and I always end up having to spend lots of time uninstalling them. I get this with desktops, too. Windows appears to love including all sorts of unnecessary bloat which gobbles up CPU cycles. If there was some way to get rid of all this crud, I could easily get by with slower (and less power hungry) CPU. I don't follow mobile technology closely, but if I remember the whole hub-bub surrounding Transmeta's Crusoe chip (other then Torvald's name being attached) was that it could husband the cpu's power requirements based on needs of the OS. Something like that would work great for me, since most of the time I'm just typing into a MS Word document which shouldn't require that much in terms of CPU cycles.

    Sound: Does anyone really need stereo sound on a laptop? I hardly need sound to begin with, and I certainly don't need to be driving two speakers on my laptop. I'm somewhat of an audiophile, and I like good sound from my home stereo and portable music devices. But from my laptop computer it's more or less wasted. Granted, I can always (and usually do) mute the sound on my laptop to save energy, but it seems that a lot of power is being driven towards something that really only serves the purpose of giving warning bells and beeps. Sure, some people like to use their laptops as portable DVD players while on flights, but for me that's really not a necessity.

    Peripherals: I've never used or needed the CD-Rom burner on my laptops. Lately when I need to quickly transfer data from one machine to another, I'll use a USB thumb drive (a technology which I've learned to love!) In fact, I've never used any removable storage drives on my computer while mobile. Yet when I turn the laptop on, I can hear the drives spinning up, sucking power away. On my old laptop I had a secondary battery I could put in the slot where the CD-Rom goes, but I still had to carry around the drive in my laptop bag. That's not to say that I'd never need a CD-Rom drive, but it would be nice if I could easily just turn it off (as opposed to yanking it out of the laptop).

    Networking: Wifi is great. There are times when I can and do use wired or wireless networking when the laptop isn't plugged in. But I don't see why the integrated 802.11x device in my laptop needs to be on and taking up power while I'm in flight, or when I'm on the side of the road just trying to finish up a report. From what I understand, the wifi device is always running in the back

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    1. Re:Why can't I get this in something simple? by CommanderData · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you don't want something that runs Windows 2000/XP at all, but rather a simpler device. I'd suggest the ClioNXT. It's not available just yet, but should be soon (I've preordered one to tinker with). The ClioNXT runs CE.NET 4.2 Pro on a 10" 800x600 color screen, and has built Wifi along with PC card, compactflash, and SD card slots. It will come with the CE versions of all Microsoft apps, and of course you can develop your own.

      From what I understand this device should run 8 to 12 hours on a battery charge. I think it could replace a standard laptop for many people.

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    2. Re:Why can't I get this in something simple? by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 1

      Actually, that looks just about perfect.

      The $999 price tag is a little steep, but overall it looks as if it's been custom tailored to address the laundry list of features I put above.

      The only question would be how it runs some of the third party apps I have to use for work. I know next to nothing about CE, or how it runs applications developed for other flavors of Windows.

      A HDD would be nice, even a small one, but if I can plug in USB thumb drives, I think that would probably take care of my needs.

      Heck, if it had a better price point, I'd look into pre-ordering one right now.

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    3. Re:Why can't I get this in something simple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're not looking for a laptop or a tablet pc. you're looking for a modern version of a psion(or similar note-taking device/pda). probably the japanese zaurus models would fit best.

      you're also living under the delusion that if you didn't turn it off with a physical button that it would be on(so that it would consume power an amount that would matter). why would the cdrom drive use electricity when it doesn't need to actually do something? not that wifi background ap checking would actually NEED to use power by any amount that would matter(run a micro-second every few mins). backlight adjustment is quite usual in laptops, the thing just is that in most cases it doesn't do you any good to turn it completely off and actually the places where you can turn the backlight down are dark, the darker it is the less backlight makes the screen still readable(the display appears dark, very dark, even in good light as that's just how the display works - there's some that are better though so ymmv).

      facts of modern life would be that if you were building a laptop sized device then limiting it to something like 16bit display wouldn't make any sense at all: the chips would cost the same anyways(and modern chips aimed at laptops with more advanced power reduction techniques have higher bpp support anyhow).

    4. Re:Why can't I get this in something simple? by CommanderData · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the price is a bit steep, but I was able to pre-order it during a special they had in January and February for $799.

      As for what it will run, it's targeted toward PocketPC/CE applications. It will have a fully compatible version of Word, Excel, Internet Explorer and Outlook on it. There are a lot of third party apps being developed- MiniMo comes to mind, a CE version of Firefox. Also with it fully supporting the .NET framework it will be easy to port .NET apps to it.

      I figure for big storage I can get myself one of those 5 or 10GB PC card hard drives, or a big compactflash card (1 to 4GB). Thumb drives would be good to transfer data back and forth with a desktop, but I wouldn't want one dangling off this while I was using it on my lap.

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    5. Re:Why can't I get this in something simple? by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 1

      Considering the last laptop I bought was a Dell I got on special for $399, which does far more then I need it to, it's stil tough to justify spending an additional $600 (or even $400 to get the special deal you got) just for longer battery life.

      The .net is neat, and the pocket versions of MS Office would be used. Having Firefox ported is an added bonus. But I'm thinking of applications like Premivera's Suretrack or MS Project.

      Yes, I want my cake and I want to eat it too.

      Realisticlly, a conventional laptop with a 300mhz celery CPU and 64megs of ram could do everything I need... If I could only get one with a reasonable battery life.

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    6. Re:Why can't I get this in something simple? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1
      Sound: Does anyone really need stereo sound on a laptop? I hardly need sound to begin with, and I certainly don't need to be driving two speakers on my laptop. I'm somewhat of an audiophile, and I like good sound from my home stereo and portable music devices. But from my laptop computer it's more or less wasted.

      I use my laptop as a music workstation. However, I'd be happy to find a laptop without integrated speakers, as they are utterly useless for anything besides beeps. The space saved might be useful... I think the lack of floppy drives has contributed to the thin and sleek laptops we have today, and the lack of speakers could help a little bit more.

      As for laptops in general: I cut my Linux teeth on a laptop that was my only computer for a couple of years. I see laptops as real computers in their own right, not some limited appliances

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    7. Re:Why can't I get this in something simple? by evilviper · · Score: 1
      The eight hour battery life sounds impressive. But what I want to know is, why can't we get that kind of long lasting power out of boring old regular laptops?

      You can. If you haven't found any, you haven't been looking. They're not cheap, though.

      High-power graphics: I don't play 3d games on the laptop.

      Good graphics are necessary even for watching a short video clip now and again. If you don't really use it, it's not going to be using up very much power.

      In reality, a 800x600 screen with 16 bit color would be aptly handle my work.

      The color depth has nothing to do with how much power a display uses.

      Resolution is directly tied to size, so if you want 800x600, buy a laptop with a 9" screen, or so.

      Also, I often find myself in well lit areas, and it would be nice to be able to easily turn off the backlight on the LCD display to save on juice, but I've yet to see that implemented.

      Pretty much every Laptop has a button to shut-off the backlight. It does this automatically when you close the lid, or when it's been idle for a few minutes.

      You can't SEE anything, because LCDs aren't designed to be front-lit... I would like to see a front-lit or passively lit LCD, but you can't have passive & backlit, as the two are mutually exclusive.

      Windows appears to love including all sorts of unnecessary bloat which gobbles up CPU cycles.

      And yet you keep using Windows.

      since most of the time I'm just typing into a MS Word document which shouldn't require that much in terms of CPU cycles.

      MS Word DOES use up a lot of CPU cycles. If you used a slow CPU, you'd find that out.

      Second, all mobile processors idle and throttle properly. If you're only using 1/10th the CPU's time, the CPU will be idle 9/10ths of the time, and only use 1/10th the power it would when maxed-out.

      but it seems that a lot of power is being driven towards something that really only serves the purpose of giving warning bells and beeps.

      You're completely wrong. Sound uses up almost no power. You might as well say those LEDs are using up too much power and should be removed.

      Yet when I turn the laptop on, I can hear the drives spinning up, sucking power away.

      Okay, so it uses a fraction of a watt for a fraction of a second, and that's all.
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  59. Have used the Powerpad batteries for years by papaia · · Score: 1

    Just FYI: got the Powerpad 160 first time for a trip to Europe, from the US, five years ago, with a Toshiba 8000 (running MDK, for the Linux fanatics here), and was able to handle movies and my own tweaking stuff throughout a flight from Chicago to Amsterdam (9 hrs), and another leg of 1.5 hrs to London (including change of airplanes) with the original battery on the Toshiba still reporting 100% juice. The best $350 investment in that trip ... of course, before reaching the Red Light District ;) Last year I had to fly to Eastern Europe, in another two leg trip, and I was "fully covered" with a Powerpad 120, this time for my iBook ... Both the Powerpad 160 and 120 are still re-charghing fine, and being in one of my briefcases, "just in case", when I travel with either the iBook or a Toshiba 8200 (the devices are not intechangeable :( )

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  60. Meaning the non-display tablets. by Eunuch · · Score: 1

    Wacom sells the cintiq as well. But I like the ones that do not display.

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  61. Try drawing... by Atragon · · Score: 1

    I have a laptop for college and it's great taking notes in Word... except for one thing, suppose the prof decides to draw a diagram on the board...

    Now, I can open paint and replicate it, but that takes time. It would take a lot LESS time if I could draw on the screen. That is something (most) laptops can't do.

  62. Re:Not bad by IAMTHEMEDIA · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Unless your just planning on using spreadsheet and word I would see most sales in the near future going toward those who want the entire multimedia deal, I would use it as my computer of choice given the oppertunity to trick it out, and of course, run Suse 9.1. New battery technology will help make more then just this lameass product run for long periods, it will help fuel the convergence so I can make a call, organize my stocks and play Doom 3 while riding the A train at the same time. Good deal on the battery but the product its self just issint impressive enough to buy.

  63. Bluetooth, open HWR? by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

    Lack of Bluetooth means dongles for wireless kybd/mouse :((((

    Also, what is the current status of opensource HWR? Real English (at least) and not any artifical gesture junk like Palm has.. I'm talking at least Symbian, and at best Newton 2.0 level.

  64. oh boy by FudRucker · · Score: 0, Troll

    someone installed WinXP on a "Etch a Sketch"

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  65. Keyboard? by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

    Just a question, have you used a TPC lately?
    I rarely use my keyboard anymore. The input with the pen is so good that I only attach my keyboard if I'm going to write something longer than a few paragraphs.
    What people have a hard time understanding about the TPC until they use one is that it's not about text input. The killer app is the point-n-click interface. It's so much more natural than with a track pad or mouse stick. Just point and click. It's even better than attaching a mouse.

    BTW. This post was composed on my TC1100 TPC.

  66. the new logic by sum.zero · · Score: 1

    i have no use for x, so x has no uses.

    sum.xero [damn pen input ;)]

  67. Re:Not bad by malfunct · · Score: 1

    Why would you compile code on a lowly single proc tablet PC when the real tool to do the job is a multi proc desktop monster? Its called using the right tool for the job.

    A 1.4ghz tablet would be perfect for checking e-mail away from the desk, taking notes in a meeting and marking up a document sent to you for review. I just wish I could convince my manager that I reviewed enough documents and spent time in enough meetings to warrent getting one of these.

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  68. Fuck the Tablet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want the battery.

    i have a radio control car which i run lithium polymer batteries in, and a 2200mAh 2 cell pack lasts me just about an hour until the saftey cut off comes in to stop the battery exploding after it loses X amount of volts.

    10200mAh would have me running for days on end, or powering one motor or more extra.

    whats the exact specs of the battery?

    1. Re:Fuck the Tablet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real, real big and heavy.

  69. Sure, other bottlenecks are ram or disk i/o, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but certainly not network speed. Compilation has nothing to do with network connections. Perhaps you mean if the files reside on an extremely slow network device? Still, even the slowest network imaginable is going to serve files faster than compilers can get through them...

  70. Other options and student uses by wessto · · Score: 1

    I have to admit, I've been looking at the convertible form factor for TPC's lately and have grown increasingly interested in them for upcoming dental school. I went down to compusa the other day and fiddled around with the averitech 3500 something or rather model. It was pretty sweet and I can forsee how useful it would be to take notes on.

    I am also considering the Fujitso 4000 series convertible TPC.

    When looking at these I have also asked myself how I would use it in a classroom environment. My research on electronic textbooks has lead to many dead ends. It seems that when electronic versions are available, they're usually wrapped in some proprietary software which renders them mostly useless to products such as onenote and the like. Beyond this, there are options to get electronic textbooks via scanner (opticbook 3600 is nice) or digital camera with OCR step inbetween scan and end product.

    I could be easily inticed to pay an extra percentage for textbooks that included fulltext in pdf format, however I see this as a DRM issue that will not be solved in my lifetime.

    Does anyone else have any experience with aquiring full text of textbooks? I know there are alot of IT textbooks available in oreilly's safari but it seems that other domains are lagging behind.

    1. Re:Other options and student uses by wessto · · Score: 1

      My bad, the averatech was at circuit city.

    2. Re:Other options and student uses by bluekanoodle · · Score: 1
      I would stay away from the averatec. While certainly b udget minded, it is lacking too many features. I bought one and returned it after 2 weeks for a toshiba m205.



      The averatec was heavy, it got extremely hot and the battery life was horrible. (60 -90 minutes)



      It seems as if averatec just took their laptop and through a hinge on it. In tablet mode you cannot access the power button , so you have to open it up to turn it on. They also don't have a hardware "ctrl+alt+del" on the tablet front, so if you need to login into a domain or access the task manager, you have to open it it up again. Also even though the processor was an AMD 2200+ it still felt sluggish and their were many times the pen would lag.


      To make it worse, once I made the decision to return it and buy the m205, I had the hard drive completely die while I was in the process of backing up my files, so I had to revert to my weekly backup and lose the last week of work. It's almost as if the damn machine knew I was going to exchange it so it killed the hdd to spite me!



      As far as textbooks, I do know a lot of people who chop the spine oftheir textbooks, and stick the pages into a scanner with an Automatic Document Feeder to scan them to PDF. I don't like the idea of chopping up a very expensive book, but it can be done.

    3. Re:Other options and student uses by wessto · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was not too impressed with the averatech's quality either. It seemed to be feature rich enough but it just felt like a toy. I'm looking foward to investigating the m205 and the fujitsu 4010D. Thanks for the suggestion.

  71. So, is that close to 10.2 AH? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "10,200 mAh SuperPolymer battery"

  72. SuperPolymer battery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "But its real claim to fame is the huge capacity 10,200 mAh SuperPolymer battery"

    I'm looking at some 2300 mAh AA NiMH batteries right now. They cost me about a buck a piece. Put enough of those babies together, and you've got the equivalent of a "SuperPolymer" battery. I think the real innovation here, if any, is the computer's low power consumption. Or am I missing something?

  73. When are we going to see diversity? by RevAaron · · Score: 1

    When are we going to see some diversity in tablets? It's easy to find a big, heavy tablet with a 12-15" screen, attached keyboard, all the wizbangs you could ask for ... But when am I going to see a replacement for my Newton, at least hardware-wise? While the Newton wasn't pocketable in the same way Palm Pro was, it was still small enough to have with me all the time, stuck in my pocket or in a small bag/case. For me, it's the perfect form factor- a large paperback book. I want a PDA or a tablet with a 6" 800x600+ screen. I want it thinish, but I'm not asking much- an 1" or under is thin enough for me.

    I mean, we have the ability to do it. But no one is. These companies wonder why tablets aren't selling... But when you slap a touchscreen on a laptop with a swivel screen and add $500 to the price you're not going to get many suckers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hconsumers interested. Not everyone is wanting a 6" tablet/PDA- but obviously not everyone watns the 12" or 14" tablets they *are* offering.

    The Sony U50/U70 would be close- but it is so damned expensive. There's no way I'm going to buy a $2500 "PDA," and stick it in my pocket, carrying it with me through the day. But I would be willing to do that to something that cost maybe $600, perhaps with a 624 MHz CPU, 256 MB RAM and only couple GB of flash. CE, Linux or XP, whatever. I'd prefer CE or Linux, but anything would be an upgrade hardware-wise to the PDAs we have today that have a 4" screen on the outset. Nice VGA 3.7"-4" screens, yes, but tiny nonetheless.

    So, Apple, Sony, Toshiba, HP/Compaq, Dell, Gateway- if you're listening, PLEASE! Hook me up!

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    1. Re:When are we going to see diversity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OQO?

    2. Re:When are we going to see diversity? by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      Again, the OQO is close, but it's a bit small- I've had PDAs with the same screen and size- but incredibly expensive. I've been watching the OQO for the 4 or so years since it was first announced; on the first round of "pre-orders" 3 years ago I came --> <-- this close to eBaying my iBook G3/500 and putting in for an OQO- sure glad I didn't, as they didn't come out and preorder monies were just refunded. :P

      I'd love to have one- but like the U50/U70, there's no way I'd carry that $2000 device with me everywhere like I do my $375 Dell Axim X50V, a really capable device.

      One day, I hope...

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  74. Labyrinth sounds cool, but how about ... by NolanJurgens · · Score: 1

    Etch-A-Sketch! Nothing like shaking the shit out of a $1900 tablet PC until the screen goes blank.

  75. Re:Not bad by stratjakt · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    A multiproc desktop monster doesn't fit in the carry on compartment of an airplane.

    I would use a tablet for all those things, but in a pinch, if I needed to fix something on site, I'd expect it to be able to churn out a working .exe once in awhile.

    Don't be so friggin defensive.. Sheesh. You'd think this stupid little computer was your kid or something.

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  76. maybe because.... by zogger · · Score: 1

    ...every new version of laptops they also seek to decrease over all weight. If they wanted to, they would build ten lb laptops with very long battery life, because they could fit in much bigger batteries of newer design, etc, but then people would complain they were too heavy. Marketing catch 22, which will sell you the most laptops with the least number of complaints? People will always want more features, more powerful cpu, more wireless do dads, etc and expect it to be lighter as well. There has to be a tradeoff someplace. Personally, I'm with you on the longer battery life, I wouldn't care if the laptop was a couple lbs heavier if that couple lbs went to a whopper robust battery (or batteries), and also if they would standardize (within the industry I mean) on some generic battery design config. But most people buy new laptops by small weight and slim design as a major consumer point of interest, so there ya go.

  77. literacy r us by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

    "a Edition", eh?

    1. Re:literacy r us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, are you saying that it should read "an Windows XP Tablet Edition?" Perhaps that's how grammar works on Planet Moron. Not here on Earth.

      I mean, come on, I wouldn't say you're "an stupid idiot," would I? No--you're "*a* stupid idiot."

  78. Re:Not bad by coachvince · · Score: 1

    Agreed. I'm not a power-user, and I have a decent-enough PC when I have a lot of video to work with, but my 866 Mhz tablet does fine with DV over Firewire when I've used it. It plays fast-twitch 3D games OK (Q3, Cube), but my most demanding use is usually multitasking a Word doc, PowerPoint (we use it for our students to prepare promos for our in-school TV channels), and editing an audio or video clip. Once a year, I have large Publisher files (yearbook). So far this year, the yearbook is actually easier on the tablet than on our VAIO. Having a vertical page mode is handy for that, too.

    Even though I don't need it, the people who work on the yearbook with me find it easier to visualize the finished product.

    I agree that tablets are a niche market, but having longer battery life may help expand that niche. Having a tablet in hand for an 8 hour day could be very useful for the teachers (and others) who may not find time in their day to stop using their PC, so it can charge for a few hours.

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  79. Re:Not bad by notthe9 · · Score: 1

    8 Hours is good, but a 1.4Ghz processor? Not worth my money, I would wait a couple of months to let the better companies one-up them,

    You insensitive clod, I only have 2 weeks to live.

  80. But..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can it run linux?

  81. Tablet PCs too much, hand-helds too little by sean@thingsihate.org · · Score: 1

    I'd love something the size of a tablet PC, with the option to write with a pen like it was a stylus. I'd even take something a little smaller. But they're just too expensive... and look at the specs! 40 gig hard drive? 60 gig hard drive? 1.6 ghz processor? Why? All I want to do it take notes, surf the web, IM, and email! Just give me a SD/MMC slot and I can put a gig or two storage in there and that's plenty for me.

    And though the hand-helds are better price-wisse, and even acceptible size-wise, they are just lacking in the input department. Writing with the stylus, each letter on top of the other inside a little box? No thanks. Too unnatural.

    Is there some happy medium I'm just not aware of?

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  82. Re:Not bad by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 1

    You won't even have time to download all the patches.

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  83. Wait, what? by Rob+Simpson · · Score: 1
    So you're looking for a laptop that weighs 10 kilos, has half an hour of battery life, and would burn you if you ever actually put it on your lap? And PDAs with moving parts? My 512 meg memory card already has more than enough room for all the books I need, though I admit better resolution would be nice. Even nicer would be a screen large enough to be comfortable to use at that resolution, in a system that either sucked a small enough amount of power or with a large enough battery to last weeks like the old Palm IIIxe did.

    As for this system, the way the keyboard/cover thingy attaches just looks awkward. It has decent specs except for having integrated graphics, but - just like PDAs without flip covers - I just don't understand the thinking that went into this design. It looks like something that would be easy to lose, and much harder to close quickly and put away than a normal laptop or a tablet with a twist lid.

  84. Also have one, it's great for drawing. by Gldm · · Score: 1

    I've had one for almost a year. I got it before Dothan shipped so it's a 1.7ghz Banias. I put in 2GB of Kingmax PC2700, a 60GB Hitachi 7200rpm, and bought a Lacie 4x DVD+/-RW.

    I use it for lots of things. I decided to go to South Africa to find a mate and didn't bring my desktop, so it's been my primary computer for awhile now. I tried drawing with it but I'm still not very good. However my mate is quite good and he likes to draw in sketchbook all the time. Sometimes I don't see the laptop all night. You can see some of it here: http://furaffinity.net/user.php?name=miktar

    I agree on the screen being hard to see in daylight, but there's ways to improve that. Have a look at http://www.tabletpcbuzz.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ ID=18021&SearchTerms=M200,MMI,screen
    It's not cheap, but I'm told it does make a good difference and they're a Toshiba authorized servicer so it won't void your warranty having the LCD modified by them. Also they can get rid of that dust that gets inside the screen via the badly sealed microphone ports.

    In hindsight the Lacie drive is crap. It was cheaper than Toshiba's CDRW but it can't run on the USB power, it needs to be plugged in. I've seen other laptops like Thinkpads that can power it fine, but Toshiba won't talk to me about any kind of BIOS update or something to increase the USB power. If I was buying one now I'd just get an external 5.25" bay and put an NEC 3520A in it since it needs to be plugged in anyway.

    However, putting the stock HD into a 2.5" USB case was one of the best things I ever did. I can't count the number of times I've used it to exchange files with people. It works fine on one USB's power.

    The bluetooth is nice, I use it to send things to cellphones and PDAs alot. The Intel 802.11b/g wireless also has excellent range I found. The built in SD reader is also convenient though I wish it wasn't such a hassle to boot off it.

    I do play some games on it and the FX 5200 is just barely enough to run things decently. You can go to a lanparty and play Quake 3 or UT 2004 without crying.

    Overall it's a nice machine, it's like buying a small Wacom Cintiq and getting a free laptop out of the deal.

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  85. An interesting innovation by harlemjoe · · Score: 1

    Is there any software that can convert
    a trackpad into a medium for handwriting recognition?

    a key selling feature of these tablet PCs is that handwriting complex equations (eg when sitting in a classroom taking notes for CS/Math/Econ) is much easier when you can just jot it down.

    If my ibook came with a stylus and a means for writing these eqns down on my trackpad (and then saving them as an image//handwriting recognition for symbols etc) -- I think the usability would go through the roof...

    Any observations/Recommendations?

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  86. Panasonic R3 by keean · · Score: 1

    I would much rather have a Panasonic R3 than any tablet PC... 8.5 hours battery life, 0.7kg and wifi.

  87. Average, not awesome. And here's what mAH means... by Ideaphile · · Score: 1

    It's useless to talk about a battery pack's ampere-hour (AH) rating without also specifying its voltage. In this case, the Electrovaya battery is rated at 7.2V, 10.2AH, for a total energy capacity of about 75 watt-hours (WH) according to the company's specifications. (The math doesn't work out exactly, but rounding errors are common on laptop battery spec sheets.) Internally, it is arranged as five parallel sets of two 3.6V batteries in series-- five "wide" by two "tall."

    This ten-cell battery has almost exactly the same rated capacity as any other ten-cell lithium pack. I happen to have an eight-cell ThinkPad X40 battery for comparison, and it is rated at 14.4V and 4.3AH, which works out to about 62WH. With two more cells, it would hold about 77WH, MORE than the rated capacity of the ten-cell Electrovaya battery.

    The X40 runs for about seven hours despite the lower capacity, so it's pretty obvious to me that the Electrovaya machine is not as efficient. It wastes a little more power, but has disproportionately more battery capacity, so it gets a little more battery life.

    The lesson to learn here is that mAH ratings are USELESS for comparing battery capacity. They tell you NOTHING about how much energy is contained in battery packs, or how long a laptop's battery life will be. Only watt-hour figures are useful for comparing battery capacity.

    I think it's reasonable to suspect that Electrovaya engineered this battery pack to produce a high mAH figure at the expense of efficiency, just like Intel designed the Pentium 4 to emphasize GHz at the expense of performance.

    There is nothing to see here. Please move along.

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  88. Mod parent up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The /. crowd have learned that MHz isn't the sole measure of a CPU... and chastises others for not knowing that. They're long overdue for this basic electricity lesson.

    The comparison I make is:
    Bob: I've got 2048 files.
    Alice: Wow, that must take up a lot of space!

    My first thought when I saw the 10 AH spec was, "I just bought a 4 pack of 2500 mAh AA batteries, are they advertizing that they're no better?"