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Found this on the Vivaldi blog. Sync was in beta as of November of 2017. Don't know if it's an official feature yet... https://vivaldi.com/blog/snapshots/help-test-sync/

Opera was bought out by the Chinese. They no longer make their own browser; it's Chrome with a skin. Most of the old Opera staff moved on to Vivaldi. If you want the old Opera back, Vivaldi is the closest thing you'll get.

https://help.vivaldi.com/artic...

It builds on open source, but not it is is not.

I suppose one could make an open source browser from their released modified source, replacing the proprietary UI code.

But why bother. Why not just start with upstream chromium?
If their changes are great, why can't they be upstreamed to chromium?

Opera, like many companies, does not understand how to work with open source.

The current Opera browser and company behind it has very little left of the old Opera in it.
The old core team left to develop Vivaldi.

No question about license?

The LICENSE file bundled inside the source tarball seems BSD (3-clause).

Why not open source Vivaldi also.

Source is available — at least, for the earlier versions.

How can yet another proprietary browser really compete against Chrome/Chromium or Firefox?

One of the subdirectories inside the vivaldi-source_1.15.1147.tar.xz is vivaldi-source/chromium... It is also the only directory of any size. Maybe, version 2.0 — for which there is no source code (yet?) — is different, but the 1.x branch is Chromium. With some add-ons/extensions, of course.

The C++ side at https://vivaldi.com/source/

The most recent version available there is 1.15.1147 — not the 2.x being discussed... Maybe, it is just the site-maintainer's oversight, of course.

Use Vivaldi. You can place resizeable tabs on any edge you want and/or you can use the collapsible sidebar which can contain a "window" tree hierarchy of windows and tabs, bookmarks, history, download and notes. You can even add sites to the sidebar if you want.

All built-in, without the need for extensions and Vivaldi uses the Chromium HTML and JavaScript engines. The only downside to Vivaldi is that it does contain spyware which phones home to https://update.vivaldi.com/sta... once every 24 hours, even if you disable automatic updates. Just block it in your firewall or hosts and update by manually downloading and running new installers.

There is also the Vivaldi browser, which is based on Chromium (open source). People who liked the "old" Opera browser (prior to Opera 15) would probably like Vivaldi. Vivaldi's privacy policy -> https://vivaldi.com/privacy/br...

Er... Vivaldi has used Chrome as a base and been compiled with clang for a while now, I think:

Vivaldi 1.14.1077.55 (Stable channel) (32-bit)
Revision 46ff8f974f033190bbae67a70c7809ee15bc2353-
OS Windows
JavaScript V8 6.4.388.46
Flash (Disabled)
User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/64.0.3282.189 Safari/537.36 Vivaldi/1.95.1077.55
Command Line "C:\Users\ldowling\AppData\Local\Vivaldi\Application\vivaldi.exe" --always-authorize-plugins --enable-blink-features=ResizeObserver --flag-switches-begin --flag-switches-end https://vivaldi.com/newfeature...
Executable Path C:\Users\ldowling\AppData\Local\Vivaldi\Application\vivaldi.exe
Profile Path C:\Users\ldowling\AppData\Local\Vivaldi\User Data\Default
Compiler clang

citation needed

Here you go.

Need more?

Still not enough?

Perhaps you need a little bit more?

Or a little less?

I hope you learned your lesson, son.

Brave is slimeware. It's filled with all sorts of commercial bullshit like ads, tracking and monetization crap.

Yes, the marketshare bleed of the last decade has shown this over and over again. Make it Chrome and the dedicated user base - who is all that is left - will have no reason to stay. This really bums me out...been here since Netscape.

Vivaldi has a search bar, works very well now and has designers that want to be different from Chrome: https://vivaldi.com/

If we just want Chrome without the Google we can go here and get that: http://chromium.woolyss.com/

I'm surprised at your reaction. I thought the issues were somewhat obvious.

Everyone involved in computer technology has had HUGE hassles with browsers. Microsoft supplied IE version 6 that attempted to create its own language, instead of using standard HTML. Microsoft was doing what everyone calls Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, but that time the world reacted effectively to abuse.

Now Mozilla Foundation is badly managed. The latest 64-bit version of Firefox has marked ALL of the 22 add-ons I use as "Legacy". When a lot of windows and tabs are open, Firefox begins gobbling memory and CPU power, and becomes unstable. (I first reported that more than 10 years ago.)

Vivaldi employs 38 people. If the cost of employing them is an average of 50,000 U.S. dollars per year, that is $1,900,000 per year, just in salaries. What is Vivaldi doing that allows spending that amount of money???

Why does the Brave browser (linked above) installation file require 112 Megabytes, 50 or 60 more megabytes than Google Chrome or Vivaldi or Firefox? What do the people who make the Brave browser want user's computers to do that takes so much more code?

I think we have a right to know what is being run on our computers.

A serious issue: Because you disagreed or didn't understand, you engaged in a personal attack. It would have been better to just ask a question, and avoid hostility.

Vivaldi browser is 40.3 Megabytes. The file name includes the version number.

Why does the Brave browser (linked above) installation file require 112 Megabytes?

Vivaldi's story doesn't include any information about how the 38 people who work for Vivaldi make money.

Vivaldi browser is 40.3 Megabytes. The file name includes the version number.

Why does the Brave browser (linked above) installation file require 112 Megabytes?

Vivaldi's story doesn't include any information about how the 38 people who work for Vivaldi make money.

I like where Vivaldi is headed

If you want a fully customizable UI, you can always switch to Vivaldi.

https://vivaldi.com/

It is led by Opera's former CEO Jon von Tetzchner, has a UI that can be fully customized via JavaScript and can be extended via regular Chrome Extensions if that is not enough.

And as for site-compatibility, since its rendering Engine is Chrome's Blink engine, you will not find much problems there.

Reading your post makes me think you're exactly the user that they make their product for. :)

https://vivaldi.com/ is a decent looking alternative.

Vivaldi browser provides just that described functionality when you click on the lock icon.

Why is the parent comment at -1? It makes a good point.

The latest browser usage stats show that Edge is only about 1.5% of the browser market.

Even Firefox, which is quickly becoming an irrelevant browser, has several times the market share that Edge has.

Then there's desktop Safari 10, which runs only on an OS that has perhaps around 10% of the desktop/laptop market, has almost the same market share as Edge, despite Edge running on OSes that have well over 20% of the desktop/laptop market.

Heck, even desktop Chrome 49 (yes, a single old version of desktop Chrome!) has about the same number of users as Edge.

And earlier this month Slashdot ran a submission entitled Windows 10 Gains 14% Desktop Market Share in 2016, Edge Continues to Struggle, again pointing out that Edge isn't seeing much use.

Edge doesn't matter.

The Vivaldi web browser (which the shitty, shitty summary doesn't even mention!) has a lot of potential. They really should focus on improving their browser. There are a lot of former Firefox users who have moved to Chrome or other browsers, but who don't really want to be using Chrome. If Vivaldi focuses on these users, and giving them the kind of browser that they want, then Vivaldi has a good chance of becoming popular. Wasting focus on Edge won't help with this at all.

Whoever mismodded the parent comment to -1 should never be allowed to moderate again.

"Vivaldi Technologies is a Software Development company, most known for its creation of the Vivaldi browser." https://vivaldi.com/

Minor detail the article and summary leave out.

How does it compare to https://vivaldi.com/?

I've been using Vivaldi for a while. I'm mostly liking it, but it has its wonkyness. I'm always open to giving something else a shot.

Vivaldi formed by the former founder of Opera web browser. Uses the Chrome's Blink rendering engine and supports Chrome Extensions. Vivaldi website

What about Vivaldi I'm wondering. I've been using it for a few months now on both Win7 and Gentoo, and I've been liking it.

I've been frustrated with Chrome's greed lately and would love an alternative.

Palemoon, Vivaldi, Brave, Waterfox, Maxthon

Hi,

Check out Vivaldi: https://vivaldi.com/

I've been VERY pleased with it so far, under Windows, OS X and Linux..

It has the one thing that I missed most from the old Opera: Sane/useful tab stacking/grouping built in, with the ability to save and restore such.

Sure, many of you don't care about that, but I do.

At work with the old Opera, I'd create sets of tabs, stacked as I saw fit, for each client and would then save them as profiles named for my clients.

When I got a support call all I had to do was open the saved tab profile for them, and then I'd have EVERYTHING related to them available to me immediately, organized in the way I found most useful to me.

Yes, it took time to set that all up. Yes, it took time to maintain it, but all that time paid for itself, every time I fielded a service call for my customers.

It was an amazingly powerful tool for me, and when Opera dropped it I stayed with the old version until it didn't work anymore.

I looked for similar functionality under Chrome, et al, Firefox and IE but nothing came close.

Vivaldi gave that back to me, and I've switched and will never go back.

It's still very "young", and they are working hard on it. But, they appear to be very motivated and committed.

The current stable release is great, does everything I need, and even better? Since it's multi-platform I get the same basic experience and usability regardless of OS.

While I still use mostly Windows at home, I support Windows, OS X and Linux at work now, and having a web browser that works under all three with the functionality that I want/need allows me to support our users, regardless of OS, without having to switch back and forth between computers

And to bring this back on-topic? Vivaldi is built upon Chromium and still supports the backspace key for going back a page.

The only thing I wish they'd add? Native proxy support, such as Firefox does. I've used Privoxy: http://www.privoxy.org/ under Windows for years, and, while the old Opera had its own proxy support, just as Firefox does? Vivaldi doesn't yet, so I have to resort to an add-on for that, since some of the games that I play at home don't support proxies.

Take all of the above for whatever it's worth to you, but I think that Vivaldi is at least worth checking out.

Regards,

dj

Apparently an offering by a splinter group from Opera (keeping to the original script) yet not enough to even hint at a constant basis, Opera 12.17 is my still my favorite. https://vivaldi.com/?lang=en_U... I thought at the time it was the latest Opera - was released just after Opera was sold.

Was a true surprise and pleasure to be able to import my Opera bookmarks, I've been collecting them for so long I have quite a list (many broken), always had to export an .adr file for Opera and an HTML to us on other browsers.

Vivaldi has an interesting cookie choice of the questionable (the heck that mean) "Cookie and data exceptions" (Host and or (not sure) Behavior), I was hoping for pre 12.17's deletion of cookies when it's shut down. A single Opera for as many sites as you wish to visit at one time. Vivaldi loaded and logged into /. has 5 Vivaldi.exe's running, ala firefox.

I'm still running the first version I downloaded, haven't used it enough to require it updated.

Vivaldi 1.0.118.19 (Developer Build)
Revision 43f4fbf5070d8e8836b0b95209cdce919fde9520
OS Windows
Blink 537.36 (@2c4eb9b03dda59544bfe6f10f994c66411cf41c7)
JavaScript V8 3.30.33.16
Flash (Disabled)
User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.115 Safari/537.36 Vivaldi/1.0.118.19
Command Line "C:\Users\tone\AppData\Local\Vivaldi\Application\vivaldi.exe" --always-authorize-plugins --flag-switches-begin --flag-switches-end
Executable Path C:\Users\tone\AppData\Local\Vivaldi\Application\vivaldi.exe
Profile Path C:\Users\tone\AppData\Local\Vivaldi\User Data\Default
Variations ed1d377-e1cc0f14

I don't think Chrome is slow. Firefox is slower (I have 54 000+ bookmarks and lots of tabs open so your benchmark experience may be different), Edge is complete crap and new Opera I don't use because it's not complete.

I don't get why this article separates Edge from IE because it's still just more of the same crap. It could had been better - it's not. It's slow as fuck if you open some tabs and if you open some more tabs it won't even let you see or change to the newly opened tabs to the right for some reason. Excellent! Complete garbage.

Some people from Opera has made this:
https://vivaldi.com/
Maybe that's the best one?

I will pay for a modern, fast, memory efficient ad blocking browser. It literally needs to have literally 2 features on top of "rendering shit correctly". Ad blocking. Tabs. While I'm not the sharpest tool in the toolshed Might I suggest ad blocking not be written in Javascript. Make it part of core functionality.

You don't need to.
https://vivaldi.com/
You're welcome.

There is always Opera, which is basically the stable version of Chrome. The other option is Vivaldi: https://vivaldi.com/

Vivaldi. It puts the Opera back into Opera. Not like this Chrome-skin thing that Opera has become.

I also was a longtime Opera user and tried to deal with first Firefox, then Chrome after 12.5 started getting stale and it was clear that Opera 15+ had thrown the baby out with the bathwater. And yes, you can at least use Chrome plugins, but nothing so nice as Dragonfly yet:

https://vivaldi.com/?lang=en_U...

So why not just fix the buggy code? I'm getting a little worried about the slips the Mozilla foundation is making. First with pushing "recommended sites" on the "home page" when a new tab was opened (used to push advertising agenda), now this. The is a new browser from the founders of Opera called "Vivaldi" at http://www.vivaldi.com/ and it's very good. MS is pushing "Edge" (along with windows 10 on every Windows 7+ OS and involuntary at that...shut down Windows Update in your services to prevent OS hijacking by MS) but it's not great. Ironically, you're better off with Firefox.

If you like the vintage Opera browser, before the Chrome shenanigans, you should really try out Vivaldi. Read the Vivaldi story. It brought me joy, and it made me weep. It brought me happiness, and it brought me sorrow. But as it says at the end of their story page,

So we came to a natural conclusion: we must make a new browser. A browser for ourselves and for our friends. A browser that is fast, but also a browser that is rich in functionality, highly flexible and puts the user first. A browser that is made for you.

And so, Vivaldi is born.

Vivaldi. Vivaldi! VIVALDI!

If you like the vintage Opera browser, before the Chrome shenanigans, you should really try out Vivaldi. Read the Vivaldi story. It brought me joy, and it made me weep. It brought me happiness, and it brought me sorrow. But as it says at the end of their story page,

So we came to a natural conclusion: we must make a new browser. A browser for ourselves and for our friends. A browser that is fast, but also a browser that is rich in functionality, highly flexible and puts the user first. A browser that is made for you.

And so, Vivaldi is born.

Vivaldi. Vivaldi! VIVALDI!

In version 50.0, they will remove whatever remains of Firefox altogether, but no worries, you can always switch to another browser.

It looks like a repeat of Opera destroying itself by removing all features that made it, well, Opera. Fortunately, Vivaldi (www.vivaldi.com) is starting to get to the point that it's a worthy successor to Opera 12.x, and now, also Firefox.

Especially not one that looks like the UI was designed with MS Paint. Seriously... this is what passes for a modern and aesthetically pleasing application these days?

What were you expecting? Glossy? Skeuomorphic buttons? Glowing buttons? Glass imitation?

Privacy policy? https://vivaldi.com/privacy... What exactly are you looking for?

Adblocker? I am currently running Vivaldi with Adguard Adblocker, although many others are available. It runs chrome extensions, so.... yeah.

Especially not one that looks like the UI was designed with MS Paint. Seriously... this is what passes for a modern and aesthetically pleasing application these days?

The Notes feature sounds marginally useful, but that's already in Firefox via one of a dozen addons. Actually, all of their "killer features" exist already or could easily be implemented as addons for Firefox. Remind me again why I should change to an ugly Chromium clone without advertising or script blocking features?

Don't get me wrong -- Firefox is going to hell too, but it seems to be running a slightly slower race than other browsers. I'm not going to switch to a front-runner.

like said OPERA and VIVALDI https://vivaldi.com/download/ they both will work on all OS. and they both will retain the web page and at the spot that you left off.

Vivaldi, maybe? It's a technical preview at the moment, but they're on the 4th release now since early in the year, so it's progressing steadily.

Former Opera cofounder created Vivaldi, it is supposed to be like old Opera but with Blink engine.

Trends like these make me weep for what were my favorite open source projects, Debian and Firefox.

Both of them were on the right side of things for so long. They weren't there to take my information for some corporation to consume for profit. They were there to offer software that just worked, and it worked really well.

Firefox was the first to fall. Starting with Firefox 4, it became a total disaster. The performance remained so poor. The UI was progressively molested until it has become unusable. Now they're adding unwanted "features" like Pocket integration that nobody really wants. Just a few days ago we found out that their built-in PDF reader (which should never have been built-in in the first place) had a serious security flaw that allowed attackers to steal our files! Needless to say, I no longer use Firefox, and now use Vivaldi instead.

Debian fell most recently, with the addition of systemd. Before then, I knew I could count on it. I've used Debian for many years, and it has worked flawlessly for me. Then I decided to upgrade my system to Debian 8. What a mistake! My system no longer booted like it should. It would just hang. I'm just an average Linux user. I'm not an expert. So I was totally lost about how to fix whatever this problem was. I searched the mailing lists, and I saw a lot of emails from a lot of other people experiencing similar problems with systemd. I may not be an expert Linux user, but I saw the writing on the wall. After witnessing the decline of Firefox, I knew that the same thing was happening to Debian. So I did what any sensible person did: I found another distro. Well, I didn't exactly find another Linux distro, because I have moved to PC-BSD instead. It reminds me of what Debian was before Debian 8 and systemd: fast, stable, secure, and trustworthy.

It pains me greatly to see what has happened to them. Both Debian and Firefox were so great to me and so many others, for so very long. They protected our privacy, rather than misusing and abusing us. They treated us like we were kings and queens. But times changed, and so did those projects. Their decline has been swift and painful, and I'm so sad to see them go. As a long time user of both, moving to alternatives was painful, but a very necessary thing. I cannot put myself in the position where I am the victim of severe browser flaws or the victim of an operating system that does not reliably boot.

This kind of shit makes me yearn for the days of what I'll call Old Mozilla. I'm talking about Mozilla like it was back in the early days of Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox, when providing a damn good browser was the most important thing. They wouldn't have stood for dumb functionality like this ending up in the browser. It's totally unnecessary, and totally out of place. In the days of Old Mozilla, that would have been apparent, and this functionality would never have gotten implemented in the first place. We wouldn't have to fuck around with the dom.battery.enabled config option.

But Modern Mozilla? They've shown us time and time again that they apparently don't give a flying fuck about providing a good browser experience. Firefox 4 and every release after it have been a massive clusterfuck or disaster of one sort or another. The usability of Firefox's UI is like shit in a urinal today. We've seen almost no visible improvement to Firefox's memory usage and performance under real-world usage as well (so fuck off with the useless, totally unrealistic "Are We Fast Yet?" pseudobenchmarks that don't tell the real story!). Then there has been all of the shit about ads and Pocket lately. And we can't forget about Firefox OS, one of the biggest and most wasteful software development failures we've seen in ages.

Each and every day I wish that Old Mozilla came back, or something close to it formed. Sorry, Pale Moon doesn't cut it. Vivaldi is showing some potential, but it has its own problems.

Is it really too much to ask for Mozilla to go back to doing the right thing with Firefox? Is it really too much to ask for them to make Firefox about the users first and foremost? Is it really too much to ask for them to throw out stupid functionality, or just to avoid implementing it in the first place?

Well, Opera is now based on Chromium, so should be a valid choice again..

There's always the new Vivaldi browser, which the original Opera devs split off to do.. https://vivaldi.com/ ?

I moved to Vivaldi. It's by some of the crew who were formerly behind Opera, before it went all stupid. It is built on Blink, so it's fast and modern, but it also has a good UI, unlike Chrome and modern Firefox. For such a young browser, I'm very impressed with Vivaldi. It works, and they're clearly going in a great direction, unlike Firefox. Vivaldi continues to improve on an already great experience with each release, while Firefox's shitty experience just keeps getting shittier.

Actually talked to the oldest today....he went back to the last Presto version and disabled updates because of them pulling shit like that LOL, once a diehard Opera user always a diehard Opera user. BTW I hear some of the ex-Opera team are making their own browser, maybe the oldest will get lucky and they'll make a new port of presto.

No doubt the top three browsers are Chrome, IE, Firefox. However, they aren't the only ones on the market. You remember Opera and Safari?
There's also a new guy in town, Vivaldi (from the former CEO of Opera).
Since I put no effort in the research, I'd say download all of them and see if they meet your needs.

Anyone who's a fan of Opera back when it was still innovative and highly configurable (way back in version 12) might want to keep an eye on Vivaldi, a browser being created by a number of people who left the Opera team after the change in focus. It's based on the Blink engine and the developers are working on incorporating many of the features of Opera 12. It still has a way to go, as it's currently still at the technical preview stage.

Chrome, Dooble, Pale Moon, Superbird, Vivaldi ...