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https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Fault_(geology)

You know, the places where earthquakes happen.

I think Project X for the Amiga had the most honest box-art ever: it's basically a screenshot from the third level of the game. Yes, it's awesome.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/Evillaugh.ogg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2f/Oil_Prices_Medium_Term.png

China called, They said that they want to make the world in to a utopia that looks like this

But overall, I don't think that Europe was destroyed by WWII.

When you talk out of your ass, do you taste your own poo?

WWII (all fronts, including pacific) killed 72 million people, including 47 million civilians. Millions more were displaced, homeless, and impoverished. It was the deadliest and most costliest war in the history of the planet.

Europe was totally devastated.

Russia too. According to the NYTimes (and I quote Wikipedia), "The combined damage consisted of complete or partial destruction of 1,710 cities and towns, 70,000 villages/hamlets, 2,508 church buildings, 31,850 industrial establishments, 40,000 miles of railroad, 4100 railroad stations, 40,000 hospitals, 84,000 schools, and 43,000 public libraries. Seven million horses, and 17 million sheep and goats were also slaughtered or driven off." Again, this was just Russia.

To suggest "I don't think that many buildings- ones of major historic importance or otherwise- were destroyed during WWII" is fucking INSANE. Nuremberg lost 90% of its historic buildings. London was bombed 57 nights in a row, killing 43,000 civilians and destroying over a million houses. Again, to quote that link, "Other important military and industrial centres, such as Belfast, Birmingham, Bristol, Cardiff, Coventry, Glasgow, Sheffield, Swansea, Liverpool, Hull, Manchester, Portsmouth, Plymouth and Southampton, were among the cities to suffer heavy air raids and high numbers of casualties." Millions were murdered in an industrial-scale project to displace, rob, and ship them to the east for "processing". There was also this little thing called "the bomb".

So in short, I'm gonna have to disagree. WWII was kind of a big deal for the buildings of Europe.

You actually missed one of the wiki* in this conflict. In particular, Wikileaks is reporting that the Wikimedia Foundation is suppressing a news item on Wikinews about Wikipedia.

It's also worth noting that all of the above sites are managed using the MediaWiki software.

This article article mentions Wikileaks, Wikimedia and a Wikinews article linking to the Wikileaks article.

Nowhere is Wikipedia mentioned in the article. Wikipedia is a Wikimedia project, but they're not one and the same.

Yes, that's a lot of Wiki there, but Wikipedia is not once mentioned in the article.

This article article mentions Wikileaks, Wikimedia and a Wikinews article linking to the Wikileaks article.

Nowhere is Wikipedia mentioned in the article. Wikipedia is a Wikimedia project, but they're not one and the same.

Yes, that's a lot of Wiki there, but Wikipedia is not once mentioned in the article.

Tell that to Tibet... or this guy... Yes, a lot of China is prospering, but not all of it, and it's doing so at an incredible price. For one, the ecological impact of their "awesome 10% growth" is absolutely mind boggling to any western nation. Yes, China has it's good points and bad points, just like the US, the EU, etc. The one thing the "popular" nations have going for them is they freely let the people speak out in protest. This does not happen in China, there is widespread retribution on anyone who dissents, and no matter how you spin it this is a bad thing since if the government were to become untrustworthy (assuming it is even trustworthy now,) they would have no way of knowing. At least in an 'open' nation the cards are on the table and the people are free to hate on the poor leadership skills of their government; illegal detentions, poorly written and poorly enforced laws, and economic disparity aside.

Yeah, what's next? Making it illegal to distill whiskey without a licence? Laws that forbid you from growing smokable plants in your own home? From carrying out other chemical reactions and synthesising certain substances?

Heck, they might even make it so that I can't make copies of this record I just bought for my friends, and require me to undergo a test (paid for by myself!) to be allowed to pilot an automobile, or anything else. It'll be a damn police state, I tell you.

How do you make an engine where the supersonic airflow doesn't damage the compressor parts? Carefully.

I think the answer involves less airplane and more engine. Theoretically a J-58 engine by itself could operate supersonically with minimal shock waves since it is designed to reflect the shock waves into the engine in a way that they are subsonic before touching moving parts. The tricky part is adding the parts of the airplane the give lift and space for pilots to sit.

Yes, everything is relative. For example, imagine what ESR would give to have Levelord's or Hans Reiser's track record of concrete accomplishments! (Furthermore, say what you will about how Levelord spends his free time, but at least he has an attractive moustache which doesn't make him look like a child molester. Come on, PageRank, do your thing.) And neither Romero nor Levelord nor Reiser are confirmed cranks. See, John, the dude is right: the more you look, the more you find to be grateful for, because one man is minus-infinity on anyone's scale of personal relativism!

P.S. Feel free to lash out at your own favorite Slashdot pincushions, everybody!

if I say "the sky is yellow" and everybody accepts it, it's basically a religion: one person says and everybody else agrees.

This is not good at all, specially in the academic environment.

Do you have the opportunity to disagree?? ABSOLUTELY: prove it is wrong.

So, by searching the truth and trying to prove it's wrong, you MIGHT end up proving it is *really* wrong OOOOOOOORRRRRRR you might end up proving to yourself it's right.

Prove it's wrong. But don't come with "bullshit, big time bullshit!"

Perhaps it's hard to accept north-americans as the real terrorists. In that case, you might be the One who will take ALL the geopolitical academics IN THE WORLD from the path of being historically incorrect and mentally dammed. I'm not say in this or that country, I'm saying in the WORLD.

Perhaps you also don't want to recognize that the USA controls the United Nations and that there's some bacteria in south pole underground and some people thought about searching for it. They are really from the dinosaurs' epoch. Freeing those bacteria COULD be the end of the world, since they might do no harm, or might be like air-transmitted Ebola (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola). Those are possibilities. I don't have such knowledge to say what those bacteria really are. SOOO.... in face of that little problem, the scientists said "that's ok, folks, let's those things stay down there". But not the USA government.

Since the USA holds one of the chairs in the Security Council, which give USA, as the other chairs, power to block a project, blocked the non-exploitation of the Pole's underground. Any time we can die. Thanks to USA government. But this is just the tip of the iceberg.

What do you want, huh?? You want a great power, but not the responsability that cames along with the power??? Who do you think you are, a rich? Have a huge quantity of money, but is not responsible for those who die of hunger...

I bet you don't read a lot of geopolitical books.
Here's something for you to begin with: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3818139/Chomsky_Books

Uncle SAM is goingo to save you (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-05/19/xin_27050119142492840419.jpg) from the devil nails (http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/pix/iraq_demnstrtn_cp_7433689.jpg) of the terrorists (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Abu-ghraib-leash.jpg) because terrorists (http://www.vermelho.org.br/admin/img_upload/crimedeguerra.jpg http://www.vermelho.org.br/admin/img_upload/terpalesti.jpg) are really bad. You, north-americans are good.(http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Abu-Ghraib-Prison-Photos11jun04p12.jpg).

You should read my response above to the previous reply.

In addition let me add some history of SYSVR4 which explains why suing Sun over SYSVR4 is so funny.

In 1988 I believe, AT&T and Sun got together to work on SYSVR4. SunOS was primarily based on BSD at the time and a lot of BSD bits went into SYSVR4. Bill Joy, a founder of Sun was also a leading developer of BSD. AT&T and Sun handed off the rights to a seperate entity, Unix Laboratories, to handle licensing so that others can implement it. Sun always pushed for open standards, before open source was that popular.

Solaris is based on SYSVR4. You can see the relationship here. Solaris developed on it's own after it's SYSVR4 base. As did UnixWare. What Sun needed for Solaris 10 was better x86 support. SYSVR4 did not provide that. UnixWare did. At the time UnixWare had a large i386 deployment and good drivers to support that platform. So it makes sense that if Solaris got anything from SCO it related to UnixWare. Other than the x86 support, I don't think anyone can argue that UnixWare was better than Solaris.

Imagine if somewhere down the line, someone sued Linus over his use of Linux.

The problem the APA has is that it gives different treatment to UnixWare than it does to SYSVR4. Basically, SCO can do what it wants with UnixWare and Novell's lawyers are trying to separate the UnixWare parts from SYSVR4 which doesn't make much sense. It's like if you buy a source license for Windows 3.1 which is built on Windows 3.0 but you don't have rights to the code in Windows 3.1 that is from Windows 3.0.

Another interesting thing, the thing I think has Novell, IBM, and HP worried, is that in that simplified Unix History Tree. Solaris is the only Unix still on there. AIX, HP/UX, Irix are all gone. That indicates to me that Solaris still has value. UnixWare I believe is still on there because of the SCO trial. The original Unix History Tree is a mess and unreadable but you can google it and find it.

Novell and some others would like to get Solaris off the map because they think it would help Linux. To me that's a very short sighted view. I like what Jonathan Schwartz has to say on that issue.

with these new containerized data centers you don't have to worry about hackers (crackers, whatever); you have to worry about somebody with one of these.

worry about someone with one of these.

It's not really as bad as the ars screenshot would have you believe. For instance, look at this one instead. And remember how easy it is to apply themes to any linux desktop - there are some really slick themes out there.

But your point is still valid. The one thing I've never been able to get to grips with about the linux desktops are the fonts. Unfortunately between MS, Apple, Adobe all the font rendering IP is locked up pretty tight so it doesn't look like we're gonna get better fonts on the Linux desktop anytime soon. At least not out of the box that is.

Oh sure... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/HA_WhippedCream.jpg

Just for your interest: http://stats.grok.se/ is a nicely processed version of the data available on Domas Mituzas' wikistats page. Domas is one of the Wikimedia database gurus, who started as a volunteer, got hired by MySQL because of it (Wikimedia is a fine example of extreme MySQL) and was recently drafted to the Wikimedia board. Original announcement of good stats, Domas' blog post. And it is indeed every page view, close as we can get it. As you can imagine, getting data this accurate for a site as busy as Wikimedia (#8) with the budget of Wikimedia (>$0, give or take a few million) is an incredible win.

Just for your interest: http://stats.grok.se/ is a nicely processed version of the data available on Domas Mituzas' wikistats page. Domas is one of the Wikimedia database gurus, who started as a volunteer, got hired by MySQL because of it (Wikimedia is a fine example of extreme MySQL) and was recently drafted to the Wikimedia board. Original announcement of good stats, Domas' blog post. And it is indeed every page view, close as we can get it. As you can imagine, getting data this accurate for a site as busy as Wikimedia (#8) with the budget of Wikimedia (>$0, give or take a few million) is an incredible win.

Wikipedia (citing GISS) claims that C02 accounts for around 9% of the greenhouse effect.

See above.

I'm not sure this is true. This graph indicates that we now at or above the peak of the medieval warming period.

I'm pretty sure that climate scientist have a grasp on the effects of solar activity, and probably the other effects that you can think of but assume that they can't.

Damn kids and your Apple hardware. In my day, an 80 column card was one of these

and some Where's Waldo Moments

But friends of gays are not allowed to edit articles!

"While being proud of one's gay acquaintances isn't necessarily a negative characteristic, Wikipedia is not the place to publicly announce a friend's sexual orientation or proclivities. Note that there are almost no vandalism instances that say, "I AM VERY GAY" or "I, Anita Flugelhorn, appreciate a good roll in the hay every once in a while with another woman." It can be inferred that gays and lesbians are exceptionally good Wikipedia contributors, and only some of their very proud but misguided acquaintances feel the need to broadcast their friends' sexual orientation."

(Everyone knows Wikipedia is run by a gay cabal. It's actually a requirement before you're allowed onto the Wikipedia IRC channels.)

Someone on the mailing list looked into the history of "verifiablity, not truth" recently. Apparently someone added it unilaterally, it stuck, and eventually it just became the way things always have been.

FWIW, this is something we hope to address slightly with the Flagged Revisions extension - see quality.wikimedia.org. The idea is that casual readers (not logged in) see the last not-obviously-awful version, and only logged-in readers see the live working draft. This is due to roll out on the German Wikipedia some time soonishishish, and other wikis (including English Wikipedia) sometime maybe later ishishish.

That doesn't address warranting that information is quality-checked and fact-checked over 2 million articles. We've yet to come up with a method that scales other than the present one. The Flagged Revisions extension can be adapted to this end, but someone has to be willing to do the work toward this.

So far the least worst approach has been hand-picking and checking articles, which has resulted in Wikipedia 0.5 and the SOS Children Wikipedia Selection for Schools (an interesting one - they used Wikipedia as raw material for an educational encyclopedia in their own schools). But these give you thousands of articles instead of millions. And one of Wikipedia's real strengths is its incredible breadth.

The physics involved when you are a good 1000tons and 10m tall is totally different. Hands... shockingly not that necessary... what would you be holding that wouldnt get obliterated while you picked it up? Plus if you had feet you frigging break everything you walked near, 500t per foot would definitely sink into concrete... on mud or sand you probably make it knee deep. Anyways if you are a multi multi billion dollar machine i'm sure obstacles are no problem. Hell you could make it a highway-laying KILLING machine.

Better yet, just mod one of these: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Bagger-garzweiler.jpg

It already has a 22m saw blade on it! though it weighs in at 13,500t so it might be sluggish.

I suppose you mean 10^44 frames/second?

I can really only think of one company that would be "terrorized" by open source...

Ironic, really. One would think Steve Ballmer would be the ideal anti-hero.

I can see a generation or two of blade-type applications returning to a CRAY-style apparatus:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Cray-1-p1010221.jpg

You might not have an entire DC relying on a common non-air cooling implementation, but doing it for a complete rack-sized unit is feasible.

I'd personally like to see an entire rack siliconed up and flooded with mineral oil.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Cybercarpet_walk.jpg
looks like a bunch of track balls.

Ahh... America and France used to be such great pals until the "falling out."

They gave us the statue of liberty, we inspired them to overthrow their monarchy for freedom. But, despite Ben Franklin's best efforts and French help in our own war, we kinda puked over how bloody their revolution was getting. And it's been downhill ever since.

I didn't know what BGP tables were either and after reading your flaming I still didn't. Amittedly some of what SanityInAnarchy said didn't make sense in the least, but it wasn't a useless rant as was your comment.

For those of you wondering what BGP tables are :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Border_Gateway_Protocol

To SanityInAnarchy: Your bills don't go towards building infrastructure. The reason Comcast and other Telecoms are whining about bandwidth is because they did not put their money back into infrastructure. Also, for your tax do you propose raising money and giving to the Telecoms and hoping they invest it infrastructure? I don't trust them in the least to do that. AFAIK the best way to fix this would be to turn internet service into a public utility, but that would be damn hard.

"...some open source companies, including Red Hat, acquire patents for the sole purpose of asserting them..."

Besides, there logo is redhat

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1b/RedHat.png

It will look a little like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d3/BFG9000doom2.jpg

Actually, they don't - that page was based on rumor and/or speculation; there's no actual google hosting at the moment: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Google_hosting

Free Software was the first campaign to clearly associate rights with source code. Publicly distributed source code existed even before then, and sometimes had rights that complied with the OSD. The OSD was written to fit existing licenses, primarily BSD, GPL, and Artistic. Although Richard had published an article about the four freedoms in GNUs Bulletin number 4, he didn't maintain any publication about them after that, online or elsewhere, until after the OSD existed. The references to "open source" before 1998 don't clearly associate any rights with the fact that source code is distributed.

So, what I am claiming credit for is getting "Open Source" to be one thing that very many people ask for. It is essentially the same thing that Richard was (and is) promoting, but he was unable to reach the masses nearly as well, simply because of his emphasis that the audience must place its a priori appreciation of freedom above all else. I agee with Richard, but it wasn't the best way to convert the unconverted - at least those who didn't think very similarly to Richard.

Sorry I think I made a mistake. The guys in Guangzhou are complaining, but Beijing users is OK to connect to the site.

In Beijing, it was the HTTPS site of Wikipedia that had been re-banned. I was always using this HTTPS version, in fear of possible man-in-the-middle attack conducted by the communist authority.

However, this is still a setback.

"Not only is it illegal, it is unethical and wrong."
"Not only is it unethical and wrong, it is illegal."

Both statements are completely valid, depending on what you are saying.

Illegal is not a subset of unethical and wrong.
Unethical and wrong is not a subset of Illegal.

Think of a two set Venn diagram with both sets represented as circles with exactly 2 distinct intersections.
Like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/Venn-diagram-AB.svg

What's even more interesting, is what they think happens if systems like these collide. The results of the simulation can be found here.

From this sort of research perhaps?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/World_Map_Index_of_perception_of_corruption.png

Also, from this painting of Ada from Wikipedia, it looks like neither the hair or eye color are correct, though it's hardly definitive: Ada Lovelace