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Yes, it's a metaphor and not a new one, but Chinese expressions don't always make their way over into the Anglosphere. If you want to read more about human flesh searches and Chinese internet culture in general, I'd recommend EastSouthWestNorth, which gives you some insight into what China is like. Very tabloid; it's like a tabloid version of Law and Order. For the "human flesh search," specifically, try http://zonaeuropa.com/20080802_1.htm.

Yes, it's a metaphor and not a new one, but Chinese expressions don't always make their way over into the Anglosphere. If you want to read more about human flesh searches and Chinese internet culture in general, I'd recommend EastSouthWestNorth, which gives you some insight into what China is like. Very tabloid; it's like a tabloid version of Law and Order. For the "human flesh search," specifically, try http://zonaeuropa.com/20080802_1.htm.

See more on these English sites:
http://shanghaiist.com/2011/07/25/wenzhou_high-speed_rail_col.php
http://www.chinasmack.com/

Shanghaiist and especially Chinasmack tend to republish a lot of rumors without bothering to verify them.If you want to get some facts, better check Robert Soong's EastSouthWestNorth blog.

Such as this post: Rumors About The Wenzhou Train Crash: How Many Have Your Forwarded? (Permalink does not work, scroll down about half the page)

By the way, both Shanghaiist and Chinasmack can be reached from within China, while EastSouthWestNorth is blocked, guess what?

~ Stan

See more on these English sites:
http://shanghaiist.com/2011/07/25/wenzhou_high-speed_rail_col.php
http://www.chinasmack.com/

Shanghaiist and especially Chinasmack tend to republish a lot of rumors without bothering to verify them.If you want to get some facts, better check Robert Soong's EastSouthWestNorth blog.

Such as this post: Rumors About The Wenzhou Train Crash: How Many Have Your Forwarded? (Permalink does not work, scroll down about half the page)

By the way, both Shanghaiist and Chinasmack can be reached from within China, while EastSouthWestNorth is blocked, guess what?

~ Stan

Hehe, I like the one with the dogs having a threesome...

This site provides them without having to click on thumbnails.

The thing you've got to bear in mind is that China is developing. Back in 1989 China was much poorer and peoples lives were much more controlled - to the point where the government told them where to live and where to work. Essentially it was sort of like North Korea. Then Tiananmen happened. The government basically won that round but they were seriously rattled. They decided on a policy of economic reform but kept the politics unchanged. Now I suspect that most Chinese people saw development as a priority. China quickly became capitalist. It's still rather poor - GDP per capita is between Albania and Turkemenistan. Still the state's strict control over the economy has largely gone. They can afford computers and can get on the internet. Chinese netizens have had regular skirmishes with the government, e.g. Grass Mud Horse.

More seriously there growing numbers of mass incidents, the PRC term for riots usually ones against corrupt local officials. Plus there's a good chance that rapid growth driven by exports might slow if America stops importing. And in any case 1989 is not the only outbreak of anti government activity - there was the Beijing Spring and pretty much total anarchy during the Cultural Revolution.

It's also interesting that the Beijing Spring happened in 1977 after Mao died. There was a second Beijing Spring in 1997 after Deng Xiaoping died - the China Democracy Party was founded and allowed to register by some local authorities until the central government banned it and rounded up the members.

Now Hu Jin Tao is about to retire. Essentially China is due for a political crisis. While it is inevitable that the Chinese government will try and slam the door, it's not completely guaranteed that they will succeed.

This is from the Lanxiang school they're talking about =.=; http://zonaeuropa.com/201002b.brief.htm#015

Shanghai Jiaotong University? Fair enough. But also see Roland Soong's translations about the vocational school.

a lot of top secret projects are not so until they go from research to production. sounds stupid but I know of a few, the people working on them do not know they are for a DoD customer. But if you really look at what they are doing.. While the US does have policy not allowing foreign nationals to work on SCI projects.. TS, no problem. just have to have a clean nose. Let alone secret or unclass but sensitive. http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20050519_1.htm

It's not a hypothetical scenario, it is daily life for a foreign businessman in China. The situation is as I describe. See http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051029_2.htm for a starter.

Just what we need, more people for the "human flesh search engine", the name given to people who hunt down those who say unpopular or anti-party sentiments. See here.

This has been used to find unpopular people. From selfish idiots commenting about the earthquake, to Chinese students abroad supporting Tibetan independence. They and their family are then subject to harassment until they repent.

Sorry, I just heard about this, and I'm pissed. This is what totalitarian one-party states are about, you're either "one of us" or you're marginalized until you can no longer function in society.

This may be a great leap backward.

Fortunately, we have sites like EastSouthWestNorth to sift through the state party-line bullshit and bring us stories like this.

-molo

Just what we need, more people for the "human flesh search engine", the name given to people who hunt down those who say unpopular or anti-party sentiments. See here.

This has been used to find unpopular people. From selfish idiots commenting about the earthquake, to Chinese students abroad supporting Tibetan independence. They and their family are then subject to harassment until they repent.

Sorry, I just heard about this, and I'm pissed. This is what totalitarian one-party states are about, you're either "one of us" or you're marginalized until you can no longer function in society.

This may be a great leap backward.

Fortunately, we have sites like EastSouthWestNorth to sift through the state party-line bullshit and bring us stories like this.

-molo

Internet connections in reasonably developed cities (Beijing, Shanghai, Chongqing, Dalian, run around 600 RMB for 512kbps for a year, around 1100 for 1Mbps. Not too bad.

As for the Great Firewall, well if you want to read (in English) what the mainland Chinese netizens are doing on blogs and forums there is only one excellent resource: EastSouthWestNorth. Check it out. It has regular citizens burning down police stations, reporting on blogs with Chinese characters upside down, using 'corrupt American administration' for certain stories as an synonym for 'corrupt Chinese administration' (especially this post).

Internet connections in reasonably developed cities (Beijing, Shanghai, Chongqing, Dalian, run around 600 RMB for 512kbps for a year, around 1100 for 1Mbps. Not too bad.

As for the Great Firewall, well if you want to read (in English) what the mainland Chinese netizens are doing on blogs and forums there is only one excellent resource: EastSouthWestNorth. Check it out. It has regular citizens burning down police stations, reporting on blogs with Chinese characters upside down, using 'corrupt American administration' for certain stories as an synonym for 'corrupt Chinese administration' (especially this post).

Zona Europa has a great writeup about how Chinese factories cheat. It's an eye-opener, it's got ways of cheating that I would never have dreamed of.

As requested, documentation:

RE: killing the birds:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_sparrow_campaign

"It was decided that all the peasants in China should bang pots and pans and run around to make the sparrows fly away in fear."

Eye witness account of Great Sparrow Campaign:

http://zonaeuropa.com/20061130_1.htm

"As I recalled, my fellow students and I climbed onto some tall trees on the side of the road and banged our gongs, drums, washbasins and anything else that can make loud noises. The sparrows were forced to keep flying until they dropped dead from fatigue."

Beijing is not right next to the Gobi Desert, but it is downwind from it when the winds shift that way in the Spring. The rest of the year, it's not. But Beijing at any other time of the year, on a windy day the atmospheric effect is like being in a dust storm.

RE: Air quality in Beijing

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:HjyJWuowpeUJ:www.usembassy-china.org.cn/sandt/estnews0915.htm+beijing+air+quality+ranking&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=21&gl=us

"Beijing ranked second-worst out of 47 Chinese cities in a 1999 SEPA air pollution ranking "

RE: Concerns with the Three Gorges:

(from 2001)
http://www.arch.mcgill.ca/prof/sijpkes/arch374/winter2001/dbiggs/three.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam

For good measure, a couple links on deforestation in China:

http://www.library.utoronto.ca/pcs/state/chinaeco/forest.htm
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19203227

China's government is not comprised of idiots, but their ideologically-driven policies and lack of free and open discussion in a robust civil society lead to actions and results that are adverse to their own interests at a rate greater than that in countries that do have the ability to contest government policy.

The point of my post was that in China under the CCP, there is a history of trampling the environment for the sake of, previously, Mao's mass campaigns, and now, for the sake of rampant economic development. There is also a concommitant pattern of wildly over-engineering the environment when common sense would do. It is within that context that the story about cloud-seeding resonated.

So the post was a bit of a hip-shot. The above links and many more could have been initially provided, but it's Slashdot and the tone of the post was meant to be wry and few, even on this site, want to wade through a dissertation in response to every article. Thus, the comments were couched under the term, "anecdote."

But as an East Asian studies scholar who's lived there for significant swathes of time over the past 18 years, the comments were not pulled entirely out of thin air. Even a casual visitor to Japan can observe that many products have humorous names or sayings in English on them, such as Calpis Water or Poccari Sweat. Most people do not demand academic citation upon hearing about such a thing--they accept them for what they are: anecdotes.

It was in that spirit that the stories were relayed.

jandersen wrote...

And strictly speaking, we don't know whether his posting was actually removed by somebody who was a member of any government or indeed the Communist Party. In fact, the most likely scenario is that some employee at whichever web-hosting company runs the blog saw some reference to Beijing's local government and automatically deleted the post without even reading it further.

When [the post] was taken down, Chen in effect sued his own Web site. Although Chen knew the Internet host was acting on orders from a "black hand," or censor, legally his target had to be the host organization that physically knocked him off, he said.

"They explained. It's not their fault, and I understand that," he said.

I guess we can now argue about whether the host is passing the buck onto the government, but there isn't much reason to not believe them. It isn't like the Chinese government isn't known for overreacting over online criticism.

So how can this become 'a bold challenge' that illustrates that 'some of China's educated elite may be growing impatient with a one-party authoritarian system'?

As far as is known, Chen's filing, at the Xicheng District Court in central Beijing, marked only the second time that a Chinese citizen has gone to court over party censorship.

...

Chen, 65, a retired Commerce Ministry official and U.N. Development Program accountant

It's odd that none of Yahoo's defense involves "We just got a search warrant". Can you explain how your apologetic relates to the cases in question?

From http://zonaeuropa.com/20070731_1.htm:

"Yahoo! China is an Internet Content Provider (ICP) in China working under Beijing ICP permit 000022. Under the terms of agreement for that permit, Yahoo! China agrees to comply with legal police warrants for information. Such conditions exist in every country."

"... the Beijing State Security Bureau's request to Yahoo!'s Beijing office for information about the e-mail account of the person who turned out to be Shi Tao."

"Beijing State Security Bureau
Notice of Evidence Collection
According to investigation, your office is in possession of the following items relating to a case of suspecting illegal provision of state secrets to foreign entities that is currently under investigation by our bureau. In accordance with Article 45 of the Criminal Procedure Law of the PRC, [these items] may be collected. The items for collection are: Email account registration information for huoyan1989@yahoo.com.cn, all login times, corresponding IP addresses, and relevant email content from February 22, 2004 to present."

For China, this is especially worrisome, because not only is the social order hurt, but the government as well. They're mostly worried that a particularly outrageous false rumor might force the government to change in some way. Note that this was done by a single provincial government - the lower ranks of government are particularly threatened. The Chinese government isn't a single monolith - the different ranks of government can be quite independent of each other. This article should have been titled "Chongqingnese ban internet rumors". But, after living in China for a while, I no longer expect the news that I read to be accurate in any way, nor do I expect that people who give me the news to care that they are not accurate.

WTF? Damn next time you post actually content, don't italic them. My eye just treated the part with real link as a quote and skipped them. Still, it was just an official making threats to organized crime type. The P2P scene in China is still growing. In piracy related crime, this is about the worst case that I know about: 12 years prison for hosting pr0n: http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20050514_1.htm

Well, but think that the US has already performed industrial and commercial espionage too agains EU and Japan, using the Echelon data.

In the Shi Tao case, it was the Hong Kong division of Yahoo that provided the incriminating information.

This wasn't a case of complying with Chinese law, but of Yahoo trying to get onto the side of the Chinese government.

For those who are interested in the letter that got the Chinese censors so up in arms, a copy of Li Datong's letter can be found here.

I agree that some level of moderation would help, but I don't think that that would really help the polarisation issue. Again, taking the Abortion article as a hypothetical example, once things have been running for a while I strongly suspect you find that you have 2 wildly innaccurate polar opposite articles with a lot of "agreement" from all the supporters of the relative camps, and a certain amount of "disagreement" from the opposing camp - but in practice that would be limited: why bother dealing with or even looking at the completely bullshit pro-life/pro-choice article when you have a perfectly good pro-choice/pro-life article to edit? In the meantime you'll have the relatively content free neutral article getting strong "disagreement" from both sides, and very little in the way of "agreement" from anyone.

There have been a number of studies and articles on how individuation, and letting groups separate, can lead the groups to polarise, often to extremes well beyond the initial views of any of the individuals in the groups. By forcing editors to butt heads over a single common article you tend to get less of the differentiation of separate groups required to drive such polarisation. Once you let groups separate off they will generally get driven to the extremes and little attention will be payed to the other point of view as it is simply incomprehensible to the group at the other extreme ("Why bother trying to go through and detail false claims in the pro-choice/pro-life page? The whole page is nothing but an endless stream of false claims and it would take forever to refute them all properly.").

Finally here's Wikipedia on the subject.

Jedidiah.

Well, I don't have much to say about this "alternative" Google service, it is unlikely that I'm going to use it anyway even though I'm a Chinese because a) I'm not in China at the moment (or even I'm back at home, I'm luckily outside of the GFW), b) I don't think it is a good idea to use a service who have pre-emptively announced on the censorship.

For your curiousity about this "what's being banned?", here is a non-exhaustive list of banned items in instant messaging and wireless communication: http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20040902_1.htm

Here are some less howling opinions about Google entering China: http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200601brief.htm#096

Well, I don't have much to say about this "alternative" Google service, it is unlikely that I'm going to use it anyway even though I'm a Chinese because a) I'm not in China at the moment (or even I'm back at home, I'm luckily outside of the GFW), b) I don't think it is a good idea to use a service who have pre-emptively announced on the censorship.

For your curiousity about this "what's being banned?", here is a non-exhaustive list of banned items in instant messaging and wireless communication: http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20040902_1.htm

Here are some less howling opinions about Google entering China: http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200601brief.htm#096

Anti's last two articles were about the re-org going on at a Beijing newspaper. You can read the articles here and here. Scroll to the bottom for the English translations.

Anti's last two articles were about the re-org going on at a Beijing newspaper. You can read the articles here and here. Scroll to the bottom for the English translations.

Well, this is the sort of inconsistency many people have to (and still have to) put up with until now...

The Constitution of the People's Republic of China has very explicitly granted many rights (without using the word "inalienable", which is THE CATCH!) to their citizens, most of them never fulfilled until the current regime... However, what MSN is doing is also illegal even under the current rules and regulations. He has not broken any taboo words (or even if he did, he did so discreetedly) as far as I can read other than supporting the strike of Beijing News, which has NOT be banned officially although it is not mentioned widely due to the widespread consequences(1).

That's why Li Ao has asked the audience in his second speech in his groundbreaking China tour to address the basics liberity by implementing of the Constitution. By achieveing that, the people will have the tools to fight against the injustice and illiberaity.

(P.S. 1. The Beijing News was a breeze in the Beijing news sence and has fought a considerable amount of the freedom of press under their own wit, the CCP has decided to ask another less-than-liberal press to control over from Jan 1, 2006.
2.I was an occational reader of his site and certainly lament of such loss...)

He wants his opinion openly known to the CHINESE public. It is not as if he's been banned from posting, d'uh. If he has been banned from posting he'd be in jail now. He's back online now, but regrettably gone back where he originally started in Blog City.

Do you think it is feasible for him to ask every reader to install freenet in order to read his posts? Blog City is blocked by the GFW because of him, and people are still fuming about such consequences.

He has to resort to ask his beloved readers to use proxies, feedburner or even email subscription in order to read his post!

(N.B. Blogger is also TOTALLY BLOCKED by the GFW, think about the far-reaching consequences... MSN is one of the few sites which is OPEN at the moment and enjoys wide readership. In fact, the top ten blogs in China (in terms of traffic) are all hosted in MSN, go figure...)

It was total blog removal by MSN itself. He was blogging about the Beijing News strike due to a takeover from a less-than-liberal paper ordered by the government. You may see the English summary by EastSouthWestNorth below.

http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200512brief.htm#100
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200601brief.htm#017

And also,
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051230_2.htm
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051231_4.htm
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060103_3.htm

They should give you some insight what might have happened. Also, search "Anti" in ESWN, you'll have suprise.

The most strikingly odd thing was that Michael Anti WASN'T writing anything prohibited by the national law and regulations (see a list of banned words in ESWN: http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20040902_1.htm). He knew his fine line and wrote accordingly. However, since he's still a conscious-minded media worker, he felt the pain for the Beijing News, so he spoke up. He asked for a boycott of the paper and support to walk out. As a result, he's banned by MSN.

Read ESWN if you want to know about what happened in China from other perspectives.

It was total blog removal by MSN itself. He was blogging about the Beijing News strike due to a takeover from a less-than-liberal paper ordered by the government. You may see the English summary by EastSouthWestNorth below.

http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200512brief.htm#100
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200601brief.htm#017

And also,
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051230_2.htm
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051231_4.htm
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060103_3.htm

They should give you some insight what might have happened. Also, search "Anti" in ESWN, you'll have suprise.

The most strikingly odd thing was that Michael Anti WASN'T writing anything prohibited by the national law and regulations (see a list of banned words in ESWN: http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20040902_1.htm). He knew his fine line and wrote accordingly. However, since he's still a conscious-minded media worker, he felt the pain for the Beijing News, so he spoke up. He asked for a boycott of the paper and support to walk out. As a result, he's banned by MSN.

Read ESWN if you want to know about what happened in China from other perspectives.

It was total blog removal by MSN itself. He was blogging about the Beijing News strike due to a takeover from a less-than-liberal paper ordered by the government. You may see the English summary by EastSouthWestNorth below.

http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200512brief.htm#100
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200601brief.htm#017

And also,
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051230_2.htm
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051231_4.htm
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060103_3.htm

They should give you some insight what might have happened. Also, search "Anti" in ESWN, you'll have suprise.

The most strikingly odd thing was that Michael Anti WASN'T writing anything prohibited by the national law and regulations (see a list of banned words in ESWN: http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20040902_1.htm). He knew his fine line and wrote accordingly. However, since he's still a conscious-minded media worker, he felt the pain for the Beijing News, so he spoke up. He asked for a boycott of the paper and support to walk out. As a result, he's banned by MSN.

Read ESWN if you want to know about what happened in China from other perspectives.

It was total blog removal by MSN itself. He was blogging about the Beijing News strike due to a takeover from a less-than-liberal paper ordered by the government. You may see the English summary by EastSouthWestNorth below.

http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200512brief.htm#100
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200601brief.htm#017

And also,
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051230_2.htm
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051231_4.htm
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060103_3.htm

They should give you some insight what might have happened. Also, search "Anti" in ESWN, you'll have suprise.

The most strikingly odd thing was that Michael Anti WASN'T writing anything prohibited by the national law and regulations (see a list of banned words in ESWN: http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20040902_1.htm). He knew his fine line and wrote accordingly. However, since he's still a conscious-minded media worker, he felt the pain for the Beijing News, so he spoke up. He asked for a boycott of the paper and support to walk out. As a result, he's banned by MSN.

Read ESWN if you want to know about what happened in China from other perspectives.

It was total blog removal by MSN itself. He was blogging about the Beijing News strike due to a takeover from a less-than-liberal paper ordered by the government. You may see the English summary by EastSouthWestNorth below.

http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200512brief.htm#100
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200601brief.htm#017

And also,
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051230_2.htm
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051231_4.htm
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060103_3.htm

They should give you some insight what might have happened. Also, search "Anti" in ESWN, you'll have suprise.

The most strikingly odd thing was that Michael Anti WASN'T writing anything prohibited by the national law and regulations (see a list of banned words in ESWN: http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20040902_1.htm). He knew his fine line and wrote accordingly. However, since he's still a conscious-minded media worker, he felt the pain for the Beijing News, so he spoke up. He asked for a boycott of the paper and support to walk out. As a result, he's banned by MSN.

Read ESWN if you want to know about what happened in China from other perspectives.

It was total blog removal by MSN itself. He was blogging about the Beijing News strike due to a takeover from a less-than-liberal paper ordered by the government. You may see the English summary by EastSouthWestNorth below.

http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200512brief.htm#100
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200601brief.htm#017

And also,
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051230_2.htm
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051231_4.htm
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060103_3.htm

They should give you some insight what might have happened. Also, search "Anti" in ESWN, you'll have suprise.

The most strikingly odd thing was that Michael Anti WASN'T writing anything prohibited by the national law and regulations (see a list of banned words in ESWN: http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20040902_1.htm). He knew his fine line and wrote accordingly. However, since he's still a conscious-minded media worker, he felt the pain for the Beijing News, so he spoke up. He asked for a boycott of the paper and support to walk out. As a result, he's banned by MSN.

Read ESWN if you want to know about what happened in China from other perspectives.

Oppose censorship? Put your monkey where your mouth is: publish this. (It was rejected by you and your esteemed colleagues.)
Slashdot advertiser Yahoo!(TM) has been identified by Reporters Without Borders as helping Chinese state security officials of convicting Shi Tao of "illegally providing top state secrets to overseas organizations." From [0]: "He was convicted on 30 April of sending foreign-based websites the text of an internal message which the authorities had sent to his newspaper warning journalists of the dangers of social destabilisation and risks resulting from the return of certain dissidents on the 15th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre." This continues the saga of Yahoo!(TM)'s complicity in censorship by repressive governments, well documented here and in the press.

Electronic voting is more susceptible to widespread fraud than less automated mechanisms. Fraud ? what fraud? YES on Venezuela we should go back to paper... Always the one with more money will have the machines to their side... for more info on the fraud go to http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20040817_3.htm

There are *plenty* of blogs and blog hosting services in China e.g. http://blog.sina.com.cn/

Of course, the majority of these blogs are in Chinese. Just because you can't read it, doesn't mean they don't exist.

There're a handful of Chinese who blog in English:

http://home.wangjianshuo.com/archives.htm
http://ming.weblogs.us/

Imo, the best English language blogs on what's happening in China are :

ESWN
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/weblog.htm

and

Danwei
http://www.danwei.org/

From: Someone living in China

I belive the photo referred to is http://www.zonaeuropa.com/weblog200405252.jpg which clearly shows someone wearing a British uniform - certainly no stars and stripes. See here for comparison.

Here ya go: see how your tax dollars are freeing so many Iraqi kids from brutal tyranny (be sure to scroll all the way to the bottom!). Good to see, aint it?

I'm hoping for some national exposure of Rudolph Mussolini^WGiuliani's own torrid affair ...

Affairs, plural.

You know who praised one of Rudy's affairs? Camille Paglia -- who opined that Rudy's mistress (Judi Nathan or Cristyne Lategano, I'm not sure which*) is a woman of substance, a genuine strong-willed career woman, with whom he conducted a decade-long relationship.

By contrast, Camille slammed B. Clinton for casually using vulnerable women like he was "riffling through a deck of cards". (Sorry, I can't find a link for this ... on Salon, maybe?)

... Bernie Kerik's double affairs.

Bernie appears to be just another self-important jerk. At least Rudy has the decency to cheat with only one mistress at a time ... and then marry them.

"Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac." - Henry Kissinger
With all these ugly asshole Republicans getting laid so much, Kissinger must be right.

There's power; and then there's money, which is to power what merit badges are to Boy Scouts. Either one will get a man laid, if he spreads it around.

-kgj

* Lategano, I hope -- she's quite a looker!
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