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Apple Cancels Apple Expo 2001

Ziploc writes: "Apple today announced the cancellation of Apple Expo 2001, which was scheduled to take place at Paris Expo, Porte de Versailles, from September 26th to 30th, 2001. See the press release here."

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  1. Steve Jobs keeps his promise by Lemur+catta · · Score: 3, Funny

    Steve Jobs promised "No new hardware at Expo Paris."
    Looks like he'll be keeping his promise!

    1. Re:Steve Jobs keeps his promise by piecewise · · Score: 2

      Of course that's really NOT funny, considering the subject matter.

      Eh, I should lighten up.. You're right, this is all really funny. Ha ha. I'm chuckling, really.

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    2. Re:Steve Jobs keeps his promise by AxsDeny · · Score: 1

      Of course the Mac hardware runs linux. THere are multiple versions of linux for PPC architecture. What hole have you been living in? Ohhh... 1987...

      Wake up. LinuxPPC, YellowDog, MkLinux, etc...

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  2. I don't understand the relevance. by Telek · · Score: 1, Troll

    Serious question here. I'm sorry, but what does this have anything to do with the Paris Expo? Security is their #1 concern? I'm not following the relevance.

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    1. Re:I don't understand the relevance. by steveo777 · · Score: 1

      A lot of people would have to fly from the US to France in order to get to the expo. Many are still in fear that another plane could be hijacked.

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    2. Re:I don't understand the relevance. by ce25254 · · Score: 1

      And many are having trouble getting through security to the airplanes.

    3. Re:I don't understand the relevance. by _Spirit · · Score: 1

      Arrests have been made in Europe connected to the tragedy last week. The people arrested were planning new attacks, this time against targets in Europe, presumably to respond to forthcoming U.S. retalliation.

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    4. Re:I don't understand the relevance. by MaxVlast · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that it's illegal to export Power Mac G4s to certain countries.

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    5. Re:I don't understand the relevance. by BinxBolling · · Score: 1
      Serious question here. I'm sorry, but what does this have anything to do with the Paris Expo? Security is their #1 concern? I'm not following the relevance.

      Even if nobody was worried about attacks, there's a more basic practical matter: How will people get there? The airlines have a pretty big backlog of cancelled flights to deal with, and many people will probably be simply unable to make it.

    6. Re:I don't understand the relevance. by Henriok · · Score: 1

      If the US goes to war in a week flying across the Atlantic with 100's of employees and tons of cargo isn't a great idea. The risk of getting stuck in Europe, or half of the staff on Iceland and the rest i Amsterdam isn't that good. I dontät think Apples is really afraid of being a target, but they are concerned for their emploees.

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  3. When do they announce the new line? by Inthewire · · Score: 1

    So the new hardware isn't going to get a pretty parade in Paris?

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    1. Re:When do they announce the new line? by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      So the new hardware isn't going to get a pretty parade in Paris?

      It wasn't going to. The only new hardware is a revised PowerBook G4, anyway. The real big thing is Mac OS 10.1, which will still be released on schedule.

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  4. Figured he'd do that... by Dysan2k · · Score: 1

    It doesn't take me by surprise at all, and I don't really blame him. International flights out of the US are going to be a little scary for a while since the past Tuesdays affairs.

    Since there was no new hardware to be displayed, I don't really see this as much of a loss anyhow.

    Apple really needs to refocus and release tech. info on their older systems anyhow. I've been fighting for 2 years to get driver-level specs for a Powerbook 1400, and have yet to recieve anything but a runaround. MacOS X based on a BSD core is pretty cool, but Apple just like IBM-clones need a choice. BeOS comes close, but neither of these will run on my PB. I'd hate to think I'd wasted my money.

    BTW, a 1400 CAN be installed, but PCMCIA and floppy support, you can forget about.

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    1. Re:Figured he'd do that... by Spruitje · · Score: 3, Interesting


      Apple really needs to refocus and release tech. info on their older systems anyhow. I've been fighting for 2 years to get driver-level specs for a Powerbook 1400, and have yet to recieve anything but a runaround. MacOS X based on a BSD core is pretty cool, but Apple just like IBM-clones need a choice. BeOS comes close, but neither of these will run on my PB. I'd hate to think I'd wasted my money.


      Like Compaq, Toshiba, Dell and some other company's.
      I have a five year old Pentium 90 laptop with 8 mb and Windows XP won't install on it.
      Yeesh, get a live.
      The powerbook 1400 is almost 5 years old.
      And it isn't a PCI machine.

    2. Re:Figured he'd do that... by Teun · · Score: 1
      It doesn't take me by surprise at all, and I don't really blame him. International flights out of the US are going to be a little scary for a while since the past Tuesdays affairs.

      You're a god damn yellow belly, there has never been strickter security around air travel and you chicken out!

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  5. Mac OS Rumors was wrong! by eAndroid · · Score: 2

    Turns out there actually won't be any new products announced at Apple Expo this year.

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  6. Apple donates $1M and iBooks by LordNimon · · Score: 4, Informative
    From MacCentral: An Apple spokesperson confirmed for MacCentral today the company would donate $1 million dollars to the families of rescue workers that lost their lives in the attacks on two American cities last week.

    Apple will also be donating an iBook to each of these families with children.

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    1. Re:Apple donates $1M and iBooks by jswitte · · Score: 1

      This warms my heart, it really does. (and no, I've never "read" pr0n)

    2. Re:Apple donates $1M and iBooks by jaysones · · Score: 1

      Now that's a fantastic thing to do. That could change some lives. Good work, Apple!

  7. I can see the logic by HerrNewton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The expo starts on the 26th, 15 days after the attacks on the WTC. Apple has to move a lot of key personnel from Apple USA to Paris for the expo, personnel which are not always American citizens and some are quite likely "Arab looking".

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    1. Re:I can see the logic by Spruitje · · Score: 2

      There goes my trip to Paris.

  8. Good move by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 1

    I think it is still a bit too soon for a high energy SteveNote address right now. Good call.

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  9. Re:Dumb move... by Dysan2k · · Score: 1

    Oh.. they've managed to disrupt. There's no doubt about that. And they've finally gotten what they've wanted after all these years: Distruction of a notable amount on US soil.

    So be it, the trick is that we'll rebuild the World Trade Centers and surrounding buildings. We'll have Federal security instead of the lousy $6/hr wannabe's that will let you on a plane with a Bowie knife. It will be a safer than it was before, and not giving up any personal freedoms. But now, we all have a common goal to focus on, and this helps keep at bay the internal problems we've had in the past.

    Maybe after this is all over with, we can have the military ACTUALLY patrolling the borders and keep more drugs/terrorists/etc. out of our country!

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  10. Re:Jobs toys not yet ready? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2

    I'd bet that it was because there would be logistics problems right now with the backlog of flights steming from last weeks events.

  11. Apple Expo 2001 by Migelikor1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    On one hand, I sympathize with security concerns. This is a frightening time. On the other hand, is a congregation of nerds in Paris really much of a target? If the terrorists were going after intellectuals, they could have crashed into harvard or MIT (15 minutes into their flight from boston). If they want to damage the economy, damaging such a narrow (1 company+peripheral manufacturers) target wouldn't be nearly effective as hitting, for instance, the Stock exchange. It's like my school, where janitors were posted to make sure nobody bombed. Seems like a bit of paranoia to me, but on the other hand Apple didn't have much to say.

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  12. Jobs has an excuse now by hoss_33 · · Score: 2

    Apple was not happy with the press ranting about "no new products".
    The show would have been very weak, with another Jobs keynote just about the Mac OS X upgrade.
    Now the terror threat comes in very handy to cancel the fiasco show.

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    1. Re:Jobs has an excuse now by SlamMan · · Score: 1

      And blind cynicism rears its ugly head...

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  13. Re:Apple = USA by WildBeast · · Score: 1

    In short, they're wimps

  14. Good Move, but... by smoondog · · Score: 1

    While I agree this was definately the right thing to do, it is a bummer that the events of last week are having longer term disruptions. The best thing, IMO, for the economy and stability is to go back to life as close to normal as possible, except with beefed up security.

    -Sean

  15. From the press release... by Midnight+Ryder · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh.


    Good work back in the 70's and 80's, but - what have you done for us lately? ;-)


    (Yes, that was a joke. When a dual G5 hit's the shelves with MacOS 10.1, I'm probably buying one!)

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  16. Re:Apple can't afford to lose any more users... by Spruitje · · Score: 5, Interesting


    After all, they don't have many left as it is...


    Strange, they are the only computercompany which didn't made a loss last quarter.
    And the iBook and G4 ti is selling like crazy..
    Typical anti Apple FUD as always.

  17. Hate to say it by macdaddy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but as much as I'd like to see things continue like normal, it is probably wise to cancel events such as these for a short time. Air travel has suffered a horrific blow that has made many unsure of the safety of air travel. I hate to see the world shut down over this but some things should be put on hold for a little while.

    1. Re:Hate to say it by csbruce · · Score: 2

      Ironically, air travel is probably much safer today than it was two weeks ago because of increased security and the likelihood that terrorists will use a different means of attack next time.

    2. Re:Hate to say it by banuaba · · Score: 2

      If people cancel events like this, and if people change the way that they lead thier lives, then the terrorists win.

      We cannot allow these dirtbags to change our way of life, both as Americans and as citizens on the world stage. What happened on Tuesday was terrible, but it was (as far as existing data indicates) essentially unpreventable for we Americans living the lives that we do. Freedom comes with a price, and that price is danger and risk.
      We could change.
      we could close our borders to all Arabs.
      We could have full time tracking of all citizens.
      We could require people to be naked and locked up on all airline flights.

      I don't want to live in that country. I am willing to take the chance that there is some crazy asshole out there who wants to kill me. The reason I am willing to take that chance is because the rewards that I and that the rest of the country get are so very great.

      We cannot live in fear. If we do so, they win.

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    3. Re:Hate to say it by Computer! · · Score: 1

      Just a guess, but you don't live in Texas, do you?

      Certainly not New York, because New Yorkers have been living without most of their personal freedoms since as long as I can remember.

      Safety first. Check Maslow's Hierarchy for further reference.

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    4. Re:Hate to say it by macdaddy · · Score: 2

      I agree. We shouldn't stop our lives. If we do, they win. That's the message that Congress and the House was trying to get across to us on the night of the incidents. Still I can see the point in postponing some of these events. What the terrorists did was very symbolic. It was an attack on America and our ideals. What better thing to attack than a major league baseball game. That's truly American. I can understand Apple's concerns with the Paris Expo. We simply can't be sure that France will take all possible security precautions to protect this event. France hasn't been attacked yet so their guard may be down or not as high as our's is right now. Plus all aircraft were grounded. If half the people can't get to their destination for their event (ball game, expo, conference, whatever) how can the people having the conference justify going through with it. Now that things a more under control I think we should all go out and have a huge public showing of support. Fireworks and singing sounds good.

  18. WTC terrorists == airline security consultants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    One good thing to come out of this tradgedy -- NO ONE will ever successfully hijaak a passenger airliner ever again. The minute they try to take over, they'll be swarmed over by all the passengers and stomped into bloody bits.

    1. Re:WTC terrorists == airline security consultants by cmeans · · Score: 1
      We can only hope...but we Americans have a short memory...

    2. Re:WTC terrorists == airline security consultants by cricket · · Score: 1

      One good thing to come out of this tradgedy -- NO ONE will ever successfully hijaak a passenger airliner ever again. The minute they try to take over, they'll be swarmed over by all the passengers and stomped into bloody bits.

      Except that passengers can no longer carry even plastic knives or fingernail clippers. Typical reaction to disarm the public to 'protect' them from crime.

    3. Re:WTC terrorists == airline security consultants by TWR · · Score: 2
      True, but the next attack isn't going to come on a plane.

      My guess: nuclear bomb on a boat in NYC's harbor. You read it here first.

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    4. Re:WTC terrorists == airline security consultants by TWR · · Score: 2
      There are three advantages to using the boat method:

      1. There's no need to clear any sort of customs. The more you move the bomb, the more people might see it.

      2. A large cloud of radioactive steam will be created, killing millions more from radiation poisoning and cancer.

      3. It's a terror attack. Americans are now scared of planes. A boat-based nuke will make American scared of boats. Slowly, the US cuts itself off from the world, which is what Bin Laden and his ilk wants.

      Personally, I think we're doomed to lose this battle because we aren't willing to be nearly as evil as our enemy. It wasn't always like this. As mentioned in an editoral in the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41 213-2001Sep16.html), the US killed 900,000 Japanese civilians (not including Hiroshima and Nagasaki!) in the closing months of WWII. Today, we won't do that, even though the stakes are far higher today than they were against a Japan that was isolated, out of fuel, and starving.

      Meanwhile, our enemy hides among civilians, and has no qualms about using anything as a weapon. We have qualms about killing the civilians they surround themselves with. In short, we're fucked. Even after we are nuked and gassed and exposed to smallpox and anthrax, we won't do what's necessary to save our civilization against the Hordes.

      Ah well, it was a good civilization while it lasted.

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    5. Re:WTC terrorists == airline security consultants by JimBobJoe · · Score: 1

      My guess: nuclear bomb on a boat in NYC's harbor. You read it here first.

      I think you're definitely on the right track...however I disagree with you on where--I think they are gonna go West and give up the East for a bit.

      See, these terrorists are really big on the symbolism thing...not just any building--but the WTC--not just any airline, but the two big ones--AA and United (in the old days, it woulda been TWA and Pan Am.)

      So given that, and choosing something with lots of symbolism, I say the Golden Gate bridge and other areas in SFO.

    6. Re:WTC terrorists == airline security consultants by TWR · · Score: 2
      Or LA. Source of the chief export of American culture, our TV and film industry.

      Either way, the US can't win unless we're willing to kill about a billion people first. We're not. We'll lose.

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    7. Re:WTC terrorists == airline security consultants by TWR · · Score: 2
      Nahh...even rabid religious fanatics get discouraged after the first 10-20m get whacked.

      Really? Then Islamic fanatics must be losing their nerve; the wars of conquest which spread Islam killed more, (pro-rated to the current world population).

      I don't think the Muslim fundamentalists will stop until every Christian and Jew (and non-fanatical Muslim) on the planet is dead. What they may not realize is that the world will be destroyed by the US response to these terror attacks. Or perhaps they do realize, and want to destroy us all. I dunno.

      But if you're right, should you wait for them, or just kill yourself now? Better play it safe. Do it now.

      We live to say NO to death. Dying for a cause is easy. Living for one is hard.

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  19. Jobs's full letter to employees by HerrNewton · · Score: 5, Informative

    Snagged from Macnn.com:

    Message from Steve

    From: Steve Jobs
    Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 07:12:15 -0700 (PDT)
    Subject: Message from Steve

    Team,

    Last week's devastating and tragic events have touched everyone at
    Apple. We are all grieving for the victims and their families.
    Thankfully, no Apple team members were among them. I know many of
    you have taken time to support various relief efforts, give blood,
    and support those around you. We all appreciate your extra efforts
    to do so.

    I want to let you know that Apple is donating one million dollars to
    the families of the firefighters, police and other emergency
    response personnel who lost their lives, through the American Red
    Cross Disaster Relief Fund. In addition, we will donate one iBook to
    each of these families with children this holiday season.

    Also, today we are announcing the cancellation of Apple Expo 2001,
    which was scheduled to take place in Paris on September 26-30. We
    are very sorry to disappoint our customers and developers, but their
    safety must be our primary concern at this time. Apple is a very
    visible American company, and having a highly publicized event at
    this time would be irresponsible.

    We are also taking extra precautions to insure our safety. Apple
    security will remain on heightened alert at all our facilities
    around the world for the foreseeable future. Please immediately
    report any suspicious events or personnel to security.

    It's going to take time for the world to return to "normal", and
    some things will never return to the way they were. The next few
    months may be rocky. Please take the time you need for your
    families, and please lean on one another. Together, we will all get
    through this.

    I want to commend everyone for their efforts throughout this
    difficult time. As always, I am very proud of this team.

    Steve

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    1. Re:Jobs's full letter to employees by Teun · · Score: 1
      but their safety must be our primary concern at this time. Apple is a very visible American company, and having a highly publicized event at this time would be irresponsible.

      This is stupid, just what these terrorists want! It's not them bringing society on its knees, it's stupid and cowardly decisions like this one of Steve Jobs that is causing the damage.
      Security has never been tighter around air travel then right now.
      I'm disgusted!

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    2. Re:Jobs's full letter to employees by burgess · · Score: 1

      well, you go fly around for a bit, but steve is under no obligation to you to fly his employees about while planes are dropping out of the sky.

      if you want to prove it's so safe right now, you fly.

  20. Sigh! by gordzilla · · Score: 1

    Welcome to the NEW world, folks! Not only can I for see the absolutely diabolical events of the last week doing more of this sort of thing, that the realization that "we" are no longer safe in
    large crowds.

    I'm wondering if there's going to be a Superbowl, Academy Awards...

    :-(

    1. Re:Sigh! by phillymjs · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I'm sure there will be a Super Bowl, but the tight security at the one during the Gulf War will pale in comparison to what is forthcoming.

      I'm sure a good many people who will be planning the security have read The Sum of All Fears, and think of it as a worst-case scenario. This year we'll probably see fighter jets patrolling the skies for a good distance around the stadium, and possibly a military presence providing security on the ground. Metal detectors at every entrance. We'll probably see much the same at the Olympics in SLC.

      ~Philly

    2. Re:Sigh! by wareadams · · Score: 1

      I have to say that security on the grounds isn't all that bad. I went to the World Cup in France in '98 which is obviously a decent target, and the security was quite tight (everyone was frisked at least once at every stadium, at the US-Iran game everyone was frisked twice).

      The thing is, the French were incredibly efficient about it. Every stadium had a several block area around it cordoned off where only ticket holders could go. To get into the stadium itself you were frisked. They had a set of male and female military types that exceeded the number of lines, so there was no backlogged to be frisked. The people doing the work were unbelievably efficient...I repeatedly saw the smallest Swiss Army knives (the keychain type) caught, and they were given to a booth where they could be retrieved after the game.

      It added no time to getting into the game, and it really added a sense of safety within the stadium. Certainly there were games that were tough to control (England/Tunisia, the game where a German hooligan attacked a police officer), but I thought the French did an incredible job.

      My point is, done well the extra security is no burden and allows you to enjoy the game. Further, I felt no lack of privacy or violation of basic rights at not being allowed to carry a knife into a game, particularly since I could just pick it up at the booth afterwards.

  21. This reminds me of the 80s by Rupert · · Score: 2

    I forget what the event was, but numerous luminaries in the US film business (most memorably Sylvester Stallone, since it was the Rambo era) refused to go to Cannes.

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  22. Get back to life by Swaffs · · Score: 1

    This isn't meant to be heartless, but I think the world needs to get back to life as normal. I don't think the threats to security are any greater now than they have ever been, and we need to return to normal life for the sake of the economy. When are all these cancellations going to end?

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  23. Re:Apple can't afford to lose any more users... by Chainsaw · · Score: 1

    Too bad for you, they will gain one very soon. I'm fed up with PC:s giving me incredibly amounts of trouble (Windows) or being plain user hostile (Linux). My old computer will have to act as a server in the future, where Linux actually fits very well. The computer I will sit in front of and work on will run MacOS X all the time.

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  24. Re:ESR on the WTC Attack by alen · · Score: 1

    I wonder what happens when a firefight breaks out at 30,000 feet? How many bullets would it take to puncture the skin, have the air pressure tear it off and for people to be sucked out? Maybe we should start thinking about installing bulletproof seats on airplanes now?

  25. Apple is a US company by artemis67 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Terrorists might view Apple as a target because of that.

    The WTC didn't house many (if any) government offices, they were businesses.

    Personally, I also think it's a little too reactionary; they should just beef up security and go on with the show.

    There was a report on Marketplace on Friday about how many organizations within the US are cancelling their conventions because of the tragedy. The financial impact on the tourism industry of those cities is in the tens of millions of dollars. Think about it, if a convention has 30,000 people, and each person spends an average of $300 apiece on food, lodging, and such, then the loss of that one convention would mean the loss of $9 mil. in revenue.

    1. Re:Apple is a US company by ComaVN · · Score: 1

      They targeted WTC because it's the biggest and best known thing in the NY area, not because they're interested in the businesses. Why would they go for the Pentagon then? So any attack on europe would involve things like the eiffel tower in Paris or the Canary Wharf building in London, or some other phallus symbol, not some congress center with a bunch of mac lovers.

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    2. Re:Apple is a US company by artemis67 · · Score: 2

      My point was that attacking symbols of America are just as valid, if not more so, to terrorists than attacking the US government or the US military directly. The WTC is a symbol of America. Apple is a symbol of America.

      Read their press release.

    3. Re:Apple is a US company by ComaVN · · Score: 1

      Ow come on, Disney, Coca Cola and MacDonalds are symbols of America (at least for non-americans), not Apple.

      By the way, exactly what of their press release do you think I missed? They don't say anything apart from "We're sorry to disappoint our users and developers, but their safety is our primary concern." Not very specific IMHO.

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    4. Re:Apple is a US company by artemis67 · · Score: 2

      I said the press release, but was thinking of this quote from the internal email. Sorry.

      Also, today we are announcing the cancellation of Apple Expo 2001,
      which was scheduled to take place in Paris on September 26-30. We
      are very sorry to disappoint our customers and developers, but their
      safety must be our primary concern at this time. Apple is a very
      visible American company, and having a highly publicized event at
      this time would be irresponsible.


      Any questions?

  26. Jobs can't be serious by sessamoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Safety? What big name terrorist is going to hit a computer company convention? Sure they're pretty well known, but hardly a good target for destroying the Western world's economy or confidence. The number of attractive destruction targets that come ahead of Apple Expo number in the thousands. Why, even in Paris, I'd think there are more than a few famous landmarks that would be well publicized if they were to get destroyed. Apple Expo getting bombed would make front page news maybe, and only for one day.

    If anything, we should be promoting these kind of event, not just to show that our lives continue on despite the terrorists attempts to change them, but also to help bolster the airline industry. If things don't pick up quickly, even with the gov't bailout, several of the majors may go down this year.

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  27. Re:Dumb move... by F50 · · Score: 1

    That's exactly how I feel. If there was done nothing at the airports I would be afraid, However that's NOT the case.
    ARM was supposed to have a training this week in San Jose, however the same thing happened and the training was canselled...Dumb dumb move.... DUMB!

  28. The O'Reilly P2P Conference also. by wiredog · · Score: 2, Informative

    Info here. It was going to be here in DC next week, and I imagine most of the attendees were flying into National Airport, which is closed indefinitely.

    1. Re:The O'Reilly P2P Conference also. by steve_bryan · · Score: 1

      "It was going to be here in DC next week"

      No, I was going to be flying out tonight. It was starting tomorrow. I doubt that air travel is sufficiently close to normal for most participants to get there. My plan of bringing along my two sons was definitely out and I'm still not sure about the postponed conference.

    2. Re:The O'Reilly P2P Conference also. by AJWM · · Score: 2

      There have been calls to close National Airport since that iced-up 737 crashed into a bridge over the Potomac years ago, probably even before that. It's location is just awful for jet aircraft, which have to fly some pretty bizarre approaches and takeoffs. But it was just too damn convenient for congresscritters wanting to commute home to their constituents.

      They really ought to close it permanently. It's an anachronism. Unfortunately now would be a psychologically bad time to do so.

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  29. Re:ESR on the WTC Attack by gorgon · · Score: 1
    The story about this took less than five minutes to be rejected by the editors. Apparently when your stock is circling the drain, a member of the Board of Directors saying something like that isn't something you necessarily want publicised.
    Yawn. Get over the conspiracy theories already. Every contoversial thing ESR (or RMS, or Bruce Perens, or Linus) says does not necessarly deserve to be a slashdot article. For articles like that see here. Over 99% of submissions to slashdot are rejected. An article about that quote would be nothing more than flamebait, so why should it be posted?
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  30. Re:Postponing the inevitable by bellings · · Score: 2

    Apple is slowly dying anyway.

    Well, duh! What did they expect when they decided to use BSD?

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  31. AppleInsider was right! by artemis67 · · Score: 2

    They didn't predict anything for MacWorld Paris, and it looks like they were right!!!

    1. Re:AppleInsider was right! by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      bwahahaha!

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  32. Protest over France's 'cool reaction'? by weslocke · · Score: 1

    I imagine it's not, but the first thing that flew into my mind was that this was possibly a 'protest' against France's... umm... how to say it... 'lukewarm support' for American policies in tracking and punishing the terrorists responsible for the WTC attack.

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  33. Dissapointed in Apple by QuantumFTL · · Score: 1

    Last week during the disaster, hundreds of websites changed their front page to reflect the horrible disaster which occurred. Everything from search engines like google.com to humor sites like keepersoflists.org and even Microsoft.com put something up about the disaster. Apple blatently ignored the issue for several days, and while a tech support individual I spoke with (about an unrelated issue) said they were all stunned by the event, the web site did not reflect this for several days. It made me a little less happy to be a Mac user. (Yes, I use linux/unix every day as well)

    I wish Apple would have been a little cooler about the whole thing. At least they are finally catching up.

    Yuck.

    1. Re:Dissapointed in Apple by Teun · · Score: 1
      - Apple Europe employees observed three minutes of silence on Wednesday morning


      And so did another 800 million Europeans, Wow!

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    2. Re:Dissapointed in Apple by Phroggy · · Score: 2

      I don't think "let's write something to put on our web site, and get one of the graphics guys to make a pretty logo with an American flag or something, so everyone on Slashdot will see how much we care" was the first thing that came to their mind. I think they were busy watching CNN. I know I was. When I did go to Apple's Web site, I was very impressed that they had replaced their entire front page.

      Snapshots from around the Web on 9/14/01

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    3. Re:Dissapointed in Apple by QuantumFTL · · Score: 1

      It was not a troll. I am an avid mac user, and I felt :( when I saw that they put no mention on their page for several days. I did *NOT* say the employees did nothing, in fact I talked to one on the phone that said they were all very upset, etc over it.

      I simply stated that they didn't publicly show anything on their web site, but even Microsoft did. It was like... like they were no longer the "cool ones."

      My friends also though tthis was bad.

    4. Re:Dissapointed in Apple by QuantumFTL · · Score: 1

      55 hours is more than 2 days. The web sites I considered "on time" were either same-day, or the next. more than 2 days is like, what the heck is the hold up? I don't really think it took them a lot of time to change that (any half-decent person with photoshop could have made that in less than 15 minutes). I just didn't like the next day, going to their web site, and seeing about how blazing fast the titanium was, when everyone else had already shown their support. I'm not saying what they did was morally wrong, however I was very dissapointed, and also dissapointed in the brevity of what they put up. At least they had a link to the red cross web site.

  34. Re:Coward. by daviddennis · · Score: 2

    This isn't about him; he has a Gulfstream V he would have used to fly to the expo.

    I predict a lot of large corporations are going to consider following his lead in the very near future.

    D

  35. Careful... by artemis67 · · Score: 3, Funny

    We're already in the midst of one jihad, don't get another one started... :-P

  36. RE: SGI by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

    There will likely be alot of disrupted PR events in the coming months, it's not going to just be Apple.

    As for the next killer app/machine coming from SGI...ha. Thier stock is currently trading at 40 cents a share and are about to be delisted from the NASDAQ.

    Apple has shipped many times more machines in the last two years than SGI has, sorry but if anyone is getting a nail in the coffin, it's SGI.

  37. Security concerns? In France?!? by ayden · · Score: 1

    Honestly, you won't be more safe in the US than in the EU. My girlfriend and I both realize this and therefore are NOT canceling our Paris vacation, even though we're flying American Airlines from Boston. As long as they let us get on the plane on the 27th, we're going.

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  38. logistics by rob+colonna · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As one of the Anonymous masses mentioned above, this is not merely an issue of fearing potential attack upon the expo itself. Each of these expos has 100+ exhibitors, all of whom need goods transported, on time, safely, and, worse, in this case, across international borders. This may be now, and for the next few weeks both more difficult, and probably more expensive.
    Many companies nation, and even world-wide have issued directives stating that 'no one will be forced to fly'. Can you blame them for cancelling an event that may have been plagued by the resultant no-shows of the exhibitors? Business-wise it makes sense, and then, given that they are a prominent American corporation, the over-arching safety concern makes it a very sound decision indeed.

  39. Re:Apple can't afford to lose any more users... by A_Non_Moose · · Score: 1

    Linux user hostile? Nah, it is more like "honey, what's wrong? == What's wrong with the computer?"

    The answer is to both questions "If you don't know I'm not going to tell you."

    Solution? a lot of coaxing, key/ego stroking and looking in the right places and eventually you'll figure it/them/her out.

    Moose.

    There are two ways to argue with a woman, neither one works.

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  40. Re:Apple's Future Existance by CottonEyedJoe · · Score: 1

    SGI is doing such great business these days. FYI, Apple has enough cash to buy SGI if they were worth it....they arent. SGI's restructuring and wacko business model have basically doomed it. The intel based series is just more competition for Intergraph....now theres a wildly successful business ;-)

    It absolutely amazes me how someone can talk about nails in Apple's coffin and in the same paragraph reccomend SGI. SGI died when they became SGI (As opposed to Silicon Graphics) They just dont know it yet. Maybe this kind of anti-FUD is enough to raise SGI out of the pink sheets....I doubt it.

    Proud owner of 3 mips based SGI's...and 5 macs.

  41. Re: Low-level specs for "dead" Apple tech by jswitte · · Score: 1

    I agree with you about info on older systems. I'm sort of part of the dwindling community of Newton users (sort of because I used to use it quite a bit, but haven't touched it in the past few months), and low-level/never-released info on it could potentially REALLY be useful.

    Sean Luke has succesfuly ported the Waba JVM to the Newton, and low-level info on how to access the QuickDraw routines in the Newton ROM would really speed up the graphics. It's been done (Fractor, by Jason Rukman - you don't happen to know him?), but I can't find him.. Diddo for how to access the inker directly. And for info on how to make an OSX app to connect to the internal Dock application, or having the source to the NewtonScript byte-code compiler to make a replacement for NTK. Heck, the whole darn source code for the OS would be nice to look at, as I'd think that there's nothing of particularly "strategic value" in there (except for legacy SE QuickDraw routines, which are just that - legacy) On a more ambitious note, info on the hardware specs would be useful, especially with regards to replacing the display, or perhaps putting in a larger one.

    I ran across a post somewhere talking about the mounds and mounds of neat techology that Apple is just sitting on - QuickDraw GX, PowerTalk, KeyChain (off the table now, as it's in the OS), QuickDraw 3D (mostly supplanted by Quesa, but they still have some neat 3D-user-interface ideas for a mythical "Quickdraw 3D 2.0") and saying that Apple should release these gems as open-source. Put a moderatly restrictive licensing agreement on it saying that it can't be used in commercial software without written authorization from Apple (but that would invole $$$ on Apple's part to process requests, and you'd have to hire an army of lawyers to go after M$ if they tried to steal it.)

    Hmm, any posibility of forming a "Coalition to Free Apple Technology" ("Apple Toys want to be free..."), and the prayer of getting an ear on the board of directors?

    Miffed,
    Jim Witte
    jswitte@bloomington.in.us

  42. disagree by ragnar · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure where you get that impression? One of the first world leaders to speak out in support of the United States was the French Prime Minister.

    I would confidently say that Apple had no political angle on this. I would suspect that Apple is primarily concerned about the logistics of people travelling all over the world to attend the conference. In addition, a sparcely attended event would only further aggrivate economic troubles that Apple will be facing from this tragedy. Like it or not, the terrorism has taken the wind out our sails for a little bit. I'm sure we will all get along with life once a critical mass of society feels normal again. That time hasn't been reached yet.

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    1. Re:disagree by weslocke · · Score: 1

      Agreed that's not the reason for it... just that it's what flew into my mind at first. And as for what I was talking about here you go. (I imagine this will get modded down as 'Offtopic,' even though it demonstrates what I was talking about.)

      France calls for American 'reason'

      By Harry de Quetteville in Paris and Toby Helm in Berlin
      (Filed: 14/09/2001)

      POLITICAL leaders in France and Germany urged President Bush yesterday to avoid a belligerent response, as fears grew in Europe of the consequences of swift and ruthless military reaction to the terrorist attacks.

      Lionel Jospin, the French Prime Minister, said the Americans should be "reasonable" in their response. Alain Richard, his defence minister, said the attacks were "not acts of war".

      M Jospin said: "We must vigorously condemn and combat terrorism. But we must not allow ourselves to be led into considerations of a conflict between the western world and the Islamic world, where we have many friends and partners."

      The remarks from the Socialist prime minister were aimed at reassuring both the France's political Left and its Muslim population, which numbers six million. But they will be seen as further evidence of disagreements between France and America on big foreign policy issues.

      The comments by M Richard will also undermine American confidence in France's commitment to joint reprisals as outlined by Nato members on Wednesday. He said: "I think that this was a terrorist attack of particular gravity.

      "American democracy is clearly endangered by such action, but in my opinion a war is something else entirely." France disagrees with US policy on missile defence, the bombing of Iraq and what it sees as American cultural imperialism.

      France's maverick health minister, Bernard Kouchner, went as far yesterday as to put the attacks down to a "series of errors" by America. "America's made a real mistake in Afghanistan and Pakistan, which was to train the Taliban," M Kouchner said.

      "To think now that there is some kind of consensus of 'honourable' nations against the 'bad' terrorists, is simply not true."

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  43. Re:Apple's Future Existance by mkelley · · Score: 1

    Let us also put this in perspective, Apple secretly funded Be for a few months. If Apple wanted a company like Be instead of SGI, what hope does SGI have?

    No deathnails need to be prepaired, Apple has the same market share as Linux. Death, Taxes and Apple. Always gonna be here. They have gone through a lot worse and they always seem to bounce back.

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  44. Re:Apple can't afford to lose any more users... by mkelley · · Score: 1

    They have the same market share percentage that Linux has. Would you rather have a solid 5% or a weak 50% of users?

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  45. Re:Security concerns? In France?!? by Smoking · · Score: 1

    France has just reactivated it's anti-terrorist plan (called vigipirate).

    It means: military people under the Eiffel tower. Every trash can in Paris is removed (it's not a joke...) and Jets with missiles at 10min of flight from Paris.
    So France should be about as secure as the US...

    Quentin

  46. Re:Dumb move... by cmeans · · Score: 1
    Please educate me, why exactly is the parent message (to this one) a Troll?

    Thanks.

  47. Re:Apple's Future Existance by Mononoke · · Score: 1
    Wait, you forgot to call Apple 'beleagered.'

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  48. Re:Dumb move... by Niksie3 · · Score: 1

    apple??!?!?!?!? financial trouble??? Apple happends to be the only computer company who is still profitting. and they have a LOT of cash availible. they are giving away a lot of money to the victems(1 ibook for fammillies with children and one million dollars to the famillies of rescue workers).

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  49. Re:I wonder if... by Mononoke · · Score: 1
    Don't Laugh, I brought apple at $13 a share and now I'm fscked.
    Why? While the rest of the markets were down an average of 7%, APPL was down only 2.19%

    (The canceled Expo announcement was out before the markets closed, and had no effect.)

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  50. More emphasis on Seybold? by d80god · · Score: 1

    I wonder if this means that any other announcements (MacOS 10.1 intro) that were slated for AppleExpo will be held at Seybold in SF instead. It's also possible that they may have a special coming out party, like they did for the original iMac.

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    1. Re:More emphasis on Seybold? by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Mac OS 10.1 should be released independently of expos and conferences and such; it will be released when it's ready. Should be within about two weeks.

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  51. Re: Low-level specs for "dead" Apple tech by frankie · · Score: 2

    I can't think of any reason not to release specs on legacy products though.

    One easy reason: Apple makes most of its money on hardware sales. They don't want you to keep your old stuff running; they want you to replace it with a new Mac instead.

    It would be nice if they released all of their discarded software as public source, but hiring someone to sort through the old code files and tech notes costs money that a tech biz is hard to afford in these lean times. Maybe someone could convince Jordan Hubbard to let them do it as a volunteer?

  52. the answer is here : Mod this up by dopolon · · Score: 1

    this is the most likely explanation.
    Many major events are canceled because of this very tight security measures.

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  53. also add... by profeti · · Score: 1

    the fact that Prince Alwaleed (of Saudi royal family) has over $300m invested in apple.

  54. Re:Apple's Future Existance by frater_b · · Score: 1

    Just another half-wit would-be soothsayer fortelling the demise of Apple!

    You actually have a problem with an affordable video editing system with dvd burning? If you want to shell out the big bucks for an SGI station, go ahead!

    Apple naysayers, like yourself, always find some little nit to pick. "Oh, their hardware is too expensive." Now, you're complaining it's too cheap. Perhaps the only nail being driven into a coffin here is the one that you've hammered in the coffin of English grammar. It's "existence," not "existance"... It sounds like your fiscal abilities are as poor as your English.

  55. I really don't follow this... by catseye_95051 · · Score: 2

    US Airliners are safer now then they have been in a long time thanks to beefed up US airport security. Noone has even made a peep that I've heard of a threatening move towards france.

    This is the wierdest PR excuse for a chnage of direction I've ever heard. Can ANYONE make sense of it for me??

    Frankly the US Airliens need the business, if Apple really was concerned with the fall out from this attack I'd thnk they'd want to help promote intercontinental flight...

    1. Re:I really don't follow this... by yuriwho · · Score: 2

      Pretty Simple really. Steve did not want the true OS X comming out party to be a flop. He did not want it remembered for being insensitive to the crisis at hand. He would rather quietly release 10.1 in the specified time frame (Seybold) and let the passion of the Mac Faithful and new adoptees, with their newly aroused patriotism, be the show.

      I think it is a good call.

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  56. Re:Apple can't afford to lose any more users... by Phroggy · · Score: 2

    After all, they don't have many left as it is...

    That's right, and they certainly can't afford to give away ONE MILLION DOLLARS and a truckload of laptop computers.

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  57. Re:Coward. by Phroggy · · Score: 1

    This isn't about him; he has a Gulfstream V he would have used to fly to the expo.

    Is the FAA allowing private flights yet? They were only allowing commercial flights for awhile...

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  58. True Colors, Shining Through by KingJawa · · Score: 1

    Why is it, that when Apple donates $1m and probably another $1m in computers, /. cheers, but when MS gives away $5m and another $5m in software, they boo?

    Good for Apple.

    Good for MS.

    Bad for /.

  59. Oh, cut it out... by PhReaKyDMoNKeY · · Score: 1

    I see one rather large thinking fallacy recurring in many replies here. Too many people are trying to psychoanalyze the terrorists and whether or not an Apple convention would be a target. However, this line of thought requires one basic assumption that is just downright wrong: the terrorists, whoever they might be, are not necessarily going to act logically. If they were that rational, they wouldn't have made such a futile and (likely) ultimately self-defeating move as to piss off the United States. Sure, an Apple convention might not be high on the laundry list of targets, but that might be what makes it so attractive: nobody would expect it. Anyway, bugger all. It doesn't particularly matter.

  60. Terrorists winning ... by tubs · · Score: 1
    Doesn't these sort of cancellations show that the terrorists are winning.

    Surely the best thing to do would have been to carry on and show the murders that you are not afraid of them, that they won't disrupt your life, that things *will* carry on?

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    1. Re:Terrorists winning ... by tfrayner · · Score: 1

      I thoroughly agree. The terrorists must be loving this...

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  61. Excerpt from appleturns.com by JohnKFisher · · Score: 1
    From monday's issue of As the Apple Turns:

    First, there's the face-value geopolitical take on things. Provided you can get past the standard "if we let them interrupt business as usual, then the terrorists win" rhetoric, you shouldn't be surprised if Steve is primarily concerned for the safety of the conferencegoers-- not to mention his own skin. Granted, last week's attack was on U.S. soil, not in Paris, but in light of brewing military retaliation, we wouldn't be a bit surprised if our government has told Apple that Paris might not be the safest place for a large and highly-visible American corporation to be next week. If the U.S. decides to flex its military muscles and innocent people therefore turn into "collateral damage," then a U.S. corporation abroad might suddenly find itself dangerously unpopular. Heck, maybe the French government even suggested that the show be cancelled, fearing trouble following a U.S. company onto foreign soil. Who knows? This is all just speculation, and all we can say for certain is that if Apple didn't have safety concerns, it would need to lay of the Reality Distortion just a little.

    Then there's the logistical interpretation. Face it: air travel is a big stinking mess right now, and it's not likely to be much better next week. Steve may have his own jet, but we're guessing it won't seat a full conference staff, and traveling by commercial airline next week will be sketchy at best. And besides moving people, what about moving freight? From last Tuesday until this morning, your best bet for getting things from Point A to Point B was a wormhole in the space-time continuum or by strapping them to your back and walking. Even now, getting them there by air is still a little iffy-- better than last week, and better still next week, but iffy nonetheless. It's entirely likely that Apple just wanted to avoid the higgledy-piggledy altogether.

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  62. Then don't... by Davoid · · Score: 1

    If you go over to http://www.ntsb.gov and look at a few reports (as I did)... you may notice that there were some 42,000 fatal traffic accidents in 1999. There were 12 fatal air travel accidents in 1999, 1 in 1998 and a high point of 526 fatalities in 1985.

    Doing the math (sorry punch in your own numbers) and even if you narrow the window to, say, 7AM EST to 11AM EST on September 11, 2001... it was still far safer to travel by air than to travel by car. Remember to correct for miles covered in trip.

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    1. Re:Then don't... by macdaddy · · Score: 2

      That's right. The numbers prove that it's safer. Doesn't mean that people will believe it though. Air travel accidents get promoted by the media to an extreme point. People typically believe what the media tells them. If they tell them that violence in schools is increasing, they'll believe them even though the numbers prove that to be an absolute crock of shit--it's been decreasing for decades. A car wreck on the news is nothing; people don't even bat an eye. A plane crash is big news; people sit up and take notice then. Yes, air travel is safer in reality. It's not safer in the minds of the majority people though.

  63. Kitten in the mini-blinds by Graymalkin · · Score: 2

    Let's say you're a billion dollar corporation who's just seen a huge tragedy happen in your home country possibly with several employees directly related to people involved in the tragedy. Are you going to force them to hope on a plane to some expo? Besides that, are you going to ask a bunch of other corporations to do the exact same thing? You won't be a billion dollar corporation for long with that sort of insensitive bullshit happening. It's also pretty ludicrous to try to hae a big international expo at the same time as a major downsizing in the worldwide travel market.

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  64. Re:Jobs toys not yet ready? by Joseppi+Blauinski · · Score: 1

    people with email domain of hotmail shouldn't throw rocks

  65. There's also a humanitarian side to this. by Shadowmist · · Score: 1

    The stoppage of airline flights produced a tremendous backlog in essential flights, including medical-related ones. Organs that had deadlines had to be rerouted to lower-priority patients to avoid wasting them altogether.

    There was a call for Americans to volounteer by giving up nonessential plane reservations. Jobs may or may have not had this in mind, but the Expo cancellation will help with this.

  66. Re:Apple can't afford to lose any more users... by dhamsaic · · Score: 1

    check out mac os x. i've had on my new ibook since early june and i've rebooted it twice since then. it's exceptionally stable, and kicks the fuck out the windows 2000 workstation i'm writing this on... doesn't touch my linux though (320+ days and counting)...

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  67. parent post is better than modded... by 3am · · Score: 1

    not a 5, but worth reading. and 'offtopic' just barely applies... think before you mod down...

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  68. It's not the $ but the % that counts. by pherris · · Score: 1
    Maybe because Jobs is a nicer person (just kidding). Compare the contributions to their most recent quarterly income earnings:

    Cash Donation / Earnings = Percent of Earnings Donated
    Apple: $1M / $67M = 1.5%
    Microsoft: $5M / $7720M = .065%

    If Microsoft wanted to match Apple's donation (percentage wise) they would have to donate $115.8M and not just $5M.

    IMO Apple also wins on the other donations since they're donating equipment (with a very low profit margin and high cost per unit) as compared to M$'s donation of software only (with an extremely high profit margin). The end cost will most likely be more for Apple.

    Also consider this: This horrific act [of the WTC bombing] is a big windfall for M$. How many copies of Windows XP and Server 2k will they sell because of this attack? Alot more than $10M worth. Their per share price is up almost 3% today (18-09-01) while the market as a whole tanks. Out of respect to those that lost there lives I will not make a joke about this.

    If it sounds like I hate M$ it's because I do. Their software sucks for what you pay for it and Gates is just plain evil.

    Also both pale in comparison to the average "Joe Six Pack" who has been giving a higher percent of his income than either. Companies should not operate for the sole benefit of it's investors but also (and equally) to the benefit of their communities. In reality just about every for profit corporation fails miserably at this.

    pherris

    Income info from:
    Microsoft (http://biz.yahoo.com/p/m/msft.html)
    Apple (http://biz.yahoo.com/p/a/aapl.html)

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    1. Re:It's not the $ but the % that counts. by Paranomos · · Score: 1

      It boggles my mind that people can still refer to Bill Gates as "plain evil" when we have seen so recently what plain evil really is.

  69. Re:Dark Days A Plenty by FrenchyCologne · · Score: 1

    Quite interesting for several reasons: -Nicely written, loaded with macabre humor, and on target as far as the "redneck" angle is concerned. -Most unusual to find this kind of political/historical awareness of American crimes around the world, coming from an American!!! -But unfortunately, he proves unable to draw the obvious conclusions from his awareness, and resorts to the usual jingoism and "let's fuck up the gooks responsible for this" attitude. Understandable in many ways, but... Here is another one who expects a cakewalk through the Hindu Kush, and who is going to be cruelly disappointed. The dancing arab kids may not have legs to dance on in a near future, but a similar fate awaits many a Texas redneck volunteer who encounters the reality of combat, away from Duke-Nukem and his playstation.