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Mouse Gestures in Mozilla
Jedbro writes: "I have really enjoyed the mouse gestures in Opera since its release, since then I have come across an awesome new project at Mozdev, called OptiMoz. OptiMoz (a.k.a. MozGest) is a XPI for Mozilla allowing Mouse Gestures to be available. It works great with Mozilla 0.9.4 and nightly builds.
It currently has Gestures for: *New Tab Window (Moz Tabs!!) *Forward in History *Backward in History *Reload *New Document *Up a directory in the URL *View Source *View Cookies for Current Domain *View Meta Data for Domain and *Access Homepage."
I just read this headline and all I could think of was a prostitute mouse hawking an AOL CD with Netscape on it. *shudders* I blame the poor quality of coffee in this facility.
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A completely disposable gimic.
Use keyboard shortcuts. They're quicker, and as an added benefit don't give you RSI.
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By now, all devotees of adult entertainment must be familiar with the new sub-genre known simply as "Bukkake". I will not go into an historical/linguistic analysis of the term, but I will attempt to offer a sketch of the genre and ruminate a bit on some of the potential sociological implications of what I see as a significant advance in human behavior. The original Japanese films portrayed a highly ritualized sex show where a demure young lass, usually in school girl or corporate uniform kneels in the center of a small room. There is usually some visual prop to emphasize her as the center of attention - velvet ropes hung from brass pedestals forming a fence around her, two or three rows of "security guards" who serve to control access to her. The girl waits patiently, little or no emotion showing on her face as one by one, men who have been masturbating just off camera approach and ejaculate into her face. Often there will be as many as 75 or 80 men. Sometimes the girl briefly fellates the man of the moment, sometimes not. There is usually no significant sound track ( ie.music or dialogue ) other than a few appreciative grunts and groans from the gents. Although I find some Japanese women quite attractive, the Japanese bukkake films I've viewed leave me cold, kinda like watching an IBM documentary on their latest mainframe operating system. Not to worry though, with characteristic Yanqui ingenuity and resolve, the U.S.porn industry has spotted a good idea, and improved it. The U.S. versions are considerably livelier, almost a party atmosphere. Some of the girls really get into the action, after all they are doing the best thing possible for their complexions -the natural vitamins and proteins in cum have long been known to help condition skin. I'm really enthusiastic about the direction of the U.S. versions, a few of the latest films I've seen have been quite hot, and I think bukkake also has some promise as a general, amateur activity. Talk about a natural fund raiser - how many times have you been driving around and seen a church group or civic club selling car washes ? Now, who the hell wants to wash their car ? I let mine sit in the rain - works just fine. But suppose you drove past a fire department and saw a large hand-lettered sign that read "Bukkake 5$" . You park, and walk into the station, ( which has been emptied of fire trucks for this occasion ), and lo and behold, a gorgeous brunette Demi Moore look alike is kneeling on a pillow in the center of the garage. Men mill around, drinking draft Heineken from a freshly tapped keg, bullshitting, and stroking their meat. One by one, as the need arises, they drift on over to Demi and shoot their load. Her hair is streaked with strands of cum, cum hangs from her chin and occasionally falls to her bare breasts - she is grinning like a she-devil - a good time is had by all. Shit, you would donate 5 bucks and join the party, right ? Bukkake is also a natural initiation rite in a least two ways. First, sororities at some of our rowdier campuses could require that all new members undergo a bukkake. The beautiful debutante would kneel in the center of a large room in the sorority house while several invited fraternity houses mill around, swilling beer, and, uh, rising to the occasion. The debutante would have to fellate the three largest guys, the rest would have to service themselves. At the crucial moment guys move right next to or in front of the cutie and shoot their load. The whole party would be recorded on video for both the sorority archives and the debutantes scrapbook. ( Interesting item for her future ex-husband don't you think ?) Football games ( pro and college ) could be made infinitely more interesting if a simple rule was adopted: the losing quarterback=s wife or girlfriend must perform a bukkake for the players and staff of the victorious team. This would take place immediately after the game and be televised live - wow - talk about ratings ! Anyone stuck in Atlanta's Hartsfield International Airport would appreciate this scheme: Shitcan 1 large giftshop on each concourse and make it into a bukkake room. Hookers from Greater Atlanta, dressed in cute stewardess outfits would staff each room. Christ, guys would be praying for flight delays. My final suggestion: For all you guys who have stood in line for 3 or 4 hours at the local Division of Motor Vehicles office waiting for the privilege of paying 20 or 30 bucks for a plastic decal which certifies that you have, uh, spent 20 or 30 bucks, how would you like the cutest female employee at the office to be forced into bukkake for the waiting gents ? Think the shits would speed up service ? ( Probably not, I can see the end of shift scene now as one female employee consoles another : "Lawdy lawdy Shoneeka , dey sure cum all OVAH you dis afternoon !" ).
This idea is almost as gay as Cmdrtaco
I know mozdev projects are seperate from core browser development, but, it seems that mozilla's goal of being a lightweight browser have now been ignored.
Nice try at a troll, but you really didn't cut it. Needs more swearwords.
Who give's a flying f**k about mouse gestures? Mice are a good way to get tendinitus. I just want good keyboard support. I'm sorry to say, but IE actually does a good job in this department. (I guess X people don't get it, and as can be seen by using Windows and how easy it is to ignore the mouse with that MSFT offering).
This story is a bit unclear.. please don't just post user menus as exposition, thanks.
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Go register with somewhere that doesn't kill archived comments lower than 1, maybe your stories will last longer.
Who gives a fuck? I want more stories about hot lesbian teenage sisters having dirty nasty sex.
Sensiva is a nice tool for mouse gesturing, prety efficient too.
Esp. useful for keyboard-repellant people =)
I don't think a mouse is the best tool to use for gestures, they don't have the finest movement. Maybe a laptop trackpad...
Now, if you could use a Wacom tablet, it'd be more like Palm Graffitti. Pen to the left for forward, back for backward, tap the link...I oughta try it out.
>OptiMoz (a.k.a. MozGest) is a XPI for Mozilla allowing Mouse Gestures to be available
:).
Now I can see IE6.5 having this integrated and calling it XP-Innovation (or Immitation, you choose).
Still, it's nice, but normally when you surf the web you input data as well, so aren't keyboard shortcuts a more "productive" solution?
One extra thing I use often on the mouse are the 2 side buttons linked to "back" and "foward", these 2 are great, if your mouse isn't a dexxa and you always accidently press on them while moving the mouse
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Are you sure you belong at Slashdot? I think you want Kuro5hin.
No, really.
When I read this post, I immediately ran to mozdev and installed it. This is really cool! Now you can browse in complete full-screen without having to rely on context menus. Using the keyboard shortcuts (as has been suggested) is not as easy because I usually surf using only the mouse and switching my attention back and forth between keyboard and screen is quite cumbersome. In short: this completely ROCKS!!!
Compare this with Windows applications in which the important keyboard shortcuts are pretty much standardised.
What we need is a general consensus on the keyboard shortcuts and preferably make them the same as on Windows. This will make the transition from Windows to Linux easier.
I remember them working really well in Black and White...
What's the gesture to set fire to a web-page?
"Everything you know is wrong. (And stupid.)"
Moderation Totals: Wrong=2, Stupid=3, Total=5.
There used to be software called Pointix (for windows) that allowed you to navigate easily by making more unique gestures. With mozilla you have to click and drag, but with pointix you could make a counter-clockwise circle-motion with the mouse, and it would interpret that as "back." As long as you don't make idle circular motions with the mouse it worked wonderfully. I'd like to see those gestures incoporated into this project.
(the full list of gestures: clockwise circle, counterclockwise circle, quick side-to-side motion, quick forward-back motion)
"Sounds inviting," I said. "You get started while I clean up." I watched her head up the stairs, her long legs were tanned and slim, her bare feet padded on the carpet. Then I picked up the empty popcorn bowls and soda glasses and went to the kitchen. The movie we rented was sexy with lots of nudity. Brenda and I had been lying on each end of our large living room couch. My hand had slipped down between my legs a few times during the really hot scenes, and I could tell from Brenda's squirming that she was enjoying herself too. By the end of the movie, I was definitely turned on and wet. I knew from Brenda's suggestion of the shower that she was as horny as I was.
Taking a shower together was not unusual; we loved being naked and touching each other. When we were younger, it was innocent, sisterly stuff: inquisitive fingers exploring under a nightie or a bathing suit. But as teenagers, there were times when it went a lot further. Like the first time Brenda made out with a boy. She raced home to tell me. I wanted to know how it felt so she showed me. From then on, we would practice our kissing techniques on each other before we went out on a date. Sometimes I wondered which I liked more, making out with my sister or my boyfriends.
We shared a large bedroom with two beds, but in the winter we often slept together. Many nights, we would snuggle up to get warm and our hands would wander, caress, and search. It was so erotic to fall asleep with our bodies entwined and my hand between Brenda's legs or hers on my breast. One night, I woke up to feel her finder in me. She must have been having a very wet dream; she was fingering me in her sleep. I thought it was so adorable and returned the favor, awakening her from her slumber with a warm, wet orgasm.
The memory sent a tingle down between my legs as I finished cleaning up the kitchen and headed up stairs to our parent's huge bathroom. It had a whirlpool and double-headed shower. I could see Brenda through the steamy glass shower doors. She had her head tilted back letting the hot water wash over her face. Her small breasts were little cones that stood straight out.
As she turned around, I could see the V-shaped patch of fur over her crotch that pointed like an arrow to her slit. I had trimmed it for her only a few days before and called it my "get to the fucking point" design.
I pulled my T-shirt over my head and pushed my panties down my legs. The crotch was still damp from playing with myself while watching the sexy movie. Sliding the glass door open, I stepped inside as the steam rushed up and surrounded me.
"We need a wash cloth," I said, turning to get one.
"Wait, Karen." Brenda held my arm. "Just your hands."
"You're such a bad girl," I said as she pulled me into the two streams of water.
Brenda handed me a bar of soap and turned to face the marble wall. "Do my back."
I lathered up my hands and rubbed them in big circles over her back starting at her shoulders and working my way down. Brenda leaned forward placing her hands on the wall; her head faced down between her arms as the hot water sprayed over her. I increased my circles to include her ribs and hips, letting my hands reach around to sweep over her breasts. Every second or third time, I would stop on her nipples and give them extra attention; they hardened at my touch. I ran my hands along her arms stopping to gently clean her underarms. My sister was very sensitive there and had told me that when I kissed or caressed her underarms, it sent sparks shooting down to her pussy. I hoped it was working now.
From there, I lathered up the soap again and worked my way down to her bottom. And what a thing of beauty: tight and perfectly shaped. Brenda's clothes clung so nicely to it; I know because I watched it just as much as everyone else did when she walked down the hall at school.
Brenda and I loved to play little sexy games when we were in public. Like at school, we would go into a stall in the bathroom and finger each other. Then we would switch panties. During the next class, I would push the wet crotch of her panties in me. What a turn-on it was to smell her pussy on my fingers and know her warm girl-cum was mixing with mine.
We were always seeing how much we could get away with. Once in a crowded elevator on our way up to our father's office, I was squeezed in close behind Brenda. Without anyone knowing, she reached behind and slipped her hand under my mini-skirt. By the time I realized what she was doing, her finger was around the edge of my panties and into my pussy. I was so flushed I almost fainted. As the doors opened and we stepped out, she licked her finger. "My favorite flavor," she said with a wink. I was destroyed for the rest of the afternoon.
But I always got her back. Like the time our family sat at the table eating dinner and our mother was discussing some important school event with Brenda. I sat across from my sister, and while she tried to talk, I slipped my bare foot up between her legs and rubbed her crotch with my big toe. Paybacks are hell, I thought, as I watched her squirm.
As the hot water created a steam cloud wrapping itself around us, I leaned forward and kissed Brenda's back. Then I lathered up again and rubbing her beautiful bottom. Running my slippery hand up and down her crack, I could tell she was getting aroused. Her breathing deepened and she spread her legs for me.
"Get it really clean," Brenda said, smiling over her shoulder.
"Expecting company?" I asked.
"Only that nasty little tongue of yours."
"My, aren't we horny tonight." I squatted down and ran my soapy hands along her legs enjoying the feel of her soft inner thighs. While I stroked them, my eyes never left that gorgeous ass right in front of my face, particularly her puckered little hole. It looked like a small flower and I remembered the first time I saw it up close. We were in bed one night exploring each other's bodies using only the glow of a flashlight. Brenda lay on her stomach and stuck her bottom up. She reached back and spread her cheeks so I could see her hole, asking me what it looked like. I told her I thought it was the most beautiful thing in the world, next to her pussy of course. That night we spent hours just sniffing and licking each other's bottoms.
I continued washing Brenda's legs working my way up until I was stroking her pussy from behind. She moaned at my touch. Then I took my thumbnail and softly scratched her anus causing an immediate contraction of her cheeks. I pushed the tip of my thumb against her little hole until her muscles relaxed, and then let it slide in about the depth of my nail. Brenda responded by pushing back trying to force it in further. With my thumb inside her, I stood up and let my hips press up against her ass. Spreading my legs slightly, I brought my pussy against the back of my hand and started a slow pumping rhythm as my thumb slid in and out of her while I massaged her cunt.
Next, I leaned over so my breasts lay against her back. I reached my other hand around and cupped her left breast, taking her swollen nipple between my fingers and giving it a firm squeeze. I pushed my pussy against my hand forcing my thumb up inside her rectum as far as it would go.
"God, that feels so good," she managed to say as she met my thrusts. "Just the right size." Her words were slurred as her breathing quickened, her body trembled, her stomach sucked in and out. I know my sister well; she was going to come fast and hard. I loved the feel of my cunt pressing against my hand, but right then I was thinking only of her; all I wanted was to make her come.
"God, if I only had a dick."
She climaxed with a shudder; gritting her teeth and jerking her head up and back. She made a low moaning sound as she closed her eyes, the steaming water washing over us. I slowed my thrusts and tried to support Brenda to keep her from sinking to the floor; her legs shaking, her body limp. Slowly she recovered and caught her breath. As I took my thumb out of her, I gave her pussy a few loving strokes and covered her back and neck with kisses. She straightened and turned around, her eyes glazed over with sex.
Brenda wrapped her arms around my neck and locked her mouth on mine, her tongue shot out in a hot, wet kiss. It was not a sisterly peck but a passionate, "fuck me" kiss. Our breasts pressed together wet and slippery, soft and wonderful. We shifted slightly so our pussies could grind against each other's thighs; our hips moved in a wanton, lustful motion.
Finally, we broke the embrace and I took Brenda by the hand. "Let's dry off and go to bed," I said.
"Is that a proposition?" she asked with a giggle.
"Let's just say I heard you were an easy lay."
She kissed me again while she slid her hand down my stomach to my pussy, her middle finger resting between my folds. Then she whispered into my ear, "We're wasting time talking when we could be fucking."
Shutting off the water, we opened the glass doors and stepped out. Brenda grabbed two large towels and we dried each other off. I was so turned on I wanted to pull her to the floor and go down on her right there. But before I could, Brenda threw her towel over my head.
"So you think I'm an easy lay, do you? Well, little sister, if you want to fuck me, you've got to catch me first."
With that, she ran out the door and down the hall. Tossing the towel aside, I raced after her, thoroughly enjoying her girlish laughter and the sight of her bouncing ass and long legs as she disappeared around a corner.
Down the stairs we ran, two naked girls chasing each other like dogs in heat. The sight would have given any boy an instant hard-on and any girl a wet crotch. We raced around, me catching her only to have Brenda slip out of my grasp and sprint to the next room.
...Still no freaking PGP/GPG support in mail+news!
I tried to install it, the installation seemed to work fine on both mozilla 0.9.4 and a nightly build that I downloaded yesterday. Yet on both of the mozilla versions when I restarted mozilla (as I was told to do when the installation finished) I came back to see nothing different. I think there was suppose to be a new toolbar. I didn't see one and there was no option to show/hide one in the preferences or the view menu.
Anyone else have this problem and figure out how to get it working? I really wanted to give this a try.
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Installed it under Mozilla 0.9.4. The toolbar shows up, but the gestures don't seem to be working no matter what I do. Hmn. Am I doing the gestures wrong? Anyone else having the problem?
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
i hope it gets killed right after linux when the SSSCA is passed.
Will plugins like this work with Galeon / K-Mealon?
There have been lots of attempts at gesture recognition in the past, but they never seem to have taken off in a big way. This is a shame, since when they work they tend to work really well.
I love the way gestures are implemented in Opera - the actions become completely natural and I tend to find myself trying to use them in other browsers - to little effect. Now at least I'll be able to use them in Mozilla... Only Konquerer and IE left to go, and they'll be in *all* the browsers I regularly use 8)
Can anyone remember what the company was called that did the "glicks" software? I used to use it years ago but stopped after the later versions got worse rather than better... That software recognised 4 additional gestures - clockwise, anti-clockwise, jiggle left-right and jiggle up-down. I remember mapping 3 of them to cut, copy and paste... those were the days. 8)
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Do it.
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In a way, Slashdot is to thank for this. Back when Mozilla 0.9.2 was released, there was a +5 comment on the possibility of Opera-like gestures. That led people to read about gestures in bug 76537 and, from there, the community stepped up to the plate (specifically, Andy Edmonds). Nice.
:).
Now, if only we could work together and get some working spellchecking for Mozilla
Alex Bischoff
HTML/CSS coder for hire
There's a known issue with Debian Linuz installs. Please visit the bugs page and comment if you experience this on another flavor (http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/).
They were my least favorite part of that Black & White game.. If they work anything like that in Mozilla then why bother? With your other hand on the keyboard you can just use keyboard shortcuts which take one press instead of opposing movements. The only thing I ever use the mouse for is clicking on a link anyway. Everything else involoving the mouse is so unnatural to do with your hands. If it weren't for graphical web browsers and quake, I would never use my mouse at all. It may just be that I have really big hands, but I just find resting my hand on a mouse (they're all too small) makes my hand curl unnaturally. I don't even want to get in to the scroll wheel...
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I got an M$ Intellimouse with 5 buttons + wheel
.. this is WAY more convinient than every possible guesture, just press ur thumb , and page back.
... Any ideas ? Do i need to fill out a mozilla bug ? :)
(if u count the wheel as buttonts, then it has 7)
In IE the 4th button is the Page back feature
Any way to configure Mozilla to have the same behavior ? The best i found is using key for page pack, but as written below u need 2 hands for that
What happens if the MS optical mouse decides to twitch randomly :D
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Like giving it the middle finger when it crashes for the 1249821498th time?
Yeah man! Microsoft sucks! They steal stuff from us cool guys!
Oh wait, Mozilla stole mouse gestures from Opera. Don't you feel stupid, dumb fuck.
you rule dude.
there is none higher than this.
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For those not aware, "still-pumped-from-using-the-mouse" is an allusion to Scott Adams' Dilbert book "Still Pumped From Using The Mouse". It's a compilation of the strips from 12/14/92 - 9/27/93, and you can actually get it used for about $0.75 + s/h.
Alex Bischoff
HTML/CSS coder for hire
This is a fun feature, and I'm sure people will get a kick out of it. But gestures don't seem like a good "expert" way to browse -- the keyboard offers faster, more accurate input. And you are absolutely right about the RSI: since I started using my keyboard for almost everything (except web browsing, ah..) my wrist problems have gotten much better.
What I'd really like to see is more ways to browse with the keyboard. I don't have any ideas in particular (being able to use the arrows to move around in a spatial way instead of tabbing through links in order would be a plus), but I would definitely learn and use any system that's better than what I've got now.
Something useful for all those hacked Nintendo Power Glove / mouse conversions..
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'Switch to Torture leash'
'Tie Cow to web site'
'Back'
'View Document Source'
'Cast fireball on source'
Hah! your website has come to believe in my browser! I now have control over your animated monkey gif.
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They entered into what seemed to be a dungeon. It was dimly lit. CmdrTaco looked around. He saw a small matress laying on the floor with metal rods at the four corners with holes to hold handcuffs in. He saw a colonial headrack; a small device that holds your head and hands in small holes in a slab of wood. "Probably perfect for spanking," thought CmdrTaco. Hemos led him over to a small table. "You will be my sex slave from this moment on. You will do whatever I tell you to do without a moment's hesitation. I am your teacher, you are the student. Also, you are NEVER to talk unless I ask you a question," Hemos told the small CmdrTaco. "Yes sir," was CmdrTaco's stupid reply. "Fool, did I ask a question? No! You are not to talk unless I ask a question! You will be punished! Take all of your clothes off now." CmdrTaco stripped down to the nude. Hemos was impressed by his 8" piece of meat. He had expected it at around 6" or so. CmdrTaco's cock was rockhard and standing straight in the air, almost pointing at Wil. Hemos took a small chain with a clip on each end from the table. "If you make ANY sound at all, I will whip your ass until it is red," Hemos told CmdrTaco. Hemos opened the clasp of the one clip and placed it on CmdrTaco's right breast and clipped the other to his left. CmdrTaco bit his bottom lip but remained silent. "Lay down on that matress," Hemos commanded and CmdrTaco did as he was told. Hemos then cuffed his two wrists and his two ankles to the rods at the corners of the matress. Hemos then stripped out of his Star Fleet uniform. CmdrTaco gapped at Hemos's enormous penis. It was 9", but it wasn't just its length, but it's WIDTH! It was the biggest cock he had ever seen. Hemos squatted over CmdrTaco as drips of precum emerged from his cock head. CmdrTaco almost fainted from the heavy, musty smell of Hemos. It was heaven! Hemos was truely a man. "Don't take it all in at once," Hemos instructed, "Tease it." CmdrTaco began to slowly lick at the eye of his cock and sucked up the precum. He then opened his mouth wider to take in Hemos's cockhead and then his thick shaft. Hemos moaned with enjoyment. CmdrTaco strained to take it all in "Ohh! Ohh!," screamed Hemos in ectasy. "I'm coming! I'm cummmmmmmmming!," he screamed again. CmdrTaco's eyes widened to the size of Hemos's massives balls when Hemos shot a tankful of manly juice into his mouth. It was the biggest load he ever sucked outta a man! He struggled to drink it all but some of it leaked out the corners of his mouth. "Stupid slave! You were supposed to drink it all! Now, drink this!" Hemos stood up and grabbed his cock. CmdrTaco knew what was coming and opened his mouth wide. Suddenly, a stream of piss erupted from the giant meat of Hemos and sprayed into CmdrTaco's mouth. CmdrTaco made sure this time to drink it all.
now there's *#* good browsers to choose from, or, you could build your ?own?. everything's gnu now. fud is dead.
hehe
Just get the damn browser stable and worry about added features later.
Seriously, who needs tabbed browsing and mouse gestures if the browser's too unstable to use on a regular basis? Time spent on coding unnecessary toys is time wasted from getting a final stable product shipped.
I have a gesture for Mozilla...
The World is Yours.
Now, think about the implication of this for a moment. Picture a user who has a mouse with only two buttons. And who has Emulate3Buttons switched on. For those who don't know, this allows the user to simulate a press on the (non-existant) middle button by pressing left and right simultaneously. However, we humans are not very precise as far as timing goes, and we're bound to press one of those two buttons slightly ahead of the other. End result: the browser appears to have "a mind of its own" because it keeps jumping back and forth as soon as you try to select a block of text...
Browser developers: if you feel the strong urge to implement such a feature, please make it optional, and off by default. Such a feature could be especially annoying when accidentally triggered on a page where the user has spent half an hour filling out a lengthy survey form. One bad click, and you have to restart from scratch.
The hell it is. Where's the Win32 GTK? And no, the horrible Win32 Gimp kludge won't do.
I installed the gesture software a couple a days ago, and boy does it rock! i'll never live without it again ;-)
And the development of Mozilla goes ever on, today they branched 0.9.5! And for all off you who doesnt know, Mozilla now features a tabbed interface! ATM there are some bugs related to it, but sure they'll be fixed for next milestone.
Maaaan is Mozilla becoming good =)
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Thank god for Mouse Gestures in Mozilla too, when will the advanced features be available?
For example: To open a new mozilla window, login at slashdot as yourself and submit a really cool story.
To do this try the following easy steps:
Hold down left mouse button, move right-left-right, then hold down right button and move right-left-up-down-left-up-left-right. Release left button and move left-down-right-up, double-click left button, hold it down, release and double-click right button, move up-down-up-down, doucleclick both buttons (alternatively double-click middle button if you have 3 of them). Now finally move the mouse in a circle, anti-clockwise, four complete circles should be drawn. When done with the circles hold down both buttons and move up-down-right-down-up-left-right-left, double click both buttons. DONE!!!
2 reptiles beneath your current threshold.
It's not just that keyboard controls are good on general principles; it's also the ridiculous extent to which browsers neglect them. Do you realize that when the focus is in the page (> 90% of the time), almost every single keypress does absolutely nothing? What a waste!
I would give my left foot for a vim-like mode in mozilla. Flexible and powerful navigation, visual selection, one-key incremental regex searches, marks and jumps, macros. Some modifications would be necessary for a browser environment, but I think most of the endearing non-editing properties of vim could be carried over.
So, anyone want to write this?
The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
atleast for me, as I keep wiggling the mouse, marking random text and pressing buttons while I read a page. Dunno why, compulsive disorder probably. ;)
:)
Atleast I learned pretty quick not to mark text text and press middle mousebutton in mozilla.
//Humming
I'm too stupid to preview.
I'm just about at the end of my wick over certain mozilla bugs, such as the myriad problems with cursor management in textareas. Over the last six months to a year, I swear Moz has moved backwards in getting rid of these kinds of piddling little problems - problems which, in my opinion, absolutely prevent its wider acceptance.
The usual reply is that you can't prevent people from working on what they want to work on. Well guess what, if the piddling little bugs aren't fixed, there won't BE an open source browser for you to add your favorite little quirks to.
I'm composing this in Moz and if I hit the right arrow button at the end of a line, the cursor will go to the top of the text area. If I hit the down arrow key, it will create a hidden EOL. Sometimes entire lines of text just disappear and then re-appear. Sometimes unhighlighted text remains highlighted. Once in a while it even crashes, which I like because then at least something has a chance of getting attention.
It's so bush, too, that's the problem with it. Looks like Moz can manage to claim compatibility with important WWW standards but CAN'T MANAGE STANDARD TEXT EDITING.
You can complain about me complaining, but my contribution is not coding, and all my words are out of frustration for seeing these stupid little bugs live on for month after month. To live to make it into milestone after milestone. And the worst part is, IT USED TO WORK PERFECTLY. At some point, probably last spring, text editing was BROKEN. WTF, people?
And I won't even mention how many times the window focus problems have changed but not improved in the last six months. And to think that, a year ago, I though Moz was three months away from "ready".
When I woke up, it was 10 o'clock. I heard the shower going and
knew it was Mom. According to our plan, Karen was long gone, with
the promise to be away until noon. I hopped out of bed, my latest
boner swaying in front of me, and walked to the bathroom door.
The door was partway open and clouds of steam were emanating
therefrom. I knocked on the door, pushing it open a bit more, and
called in. "Mom, can I come in and use the toilet?"
"Of course, dear," came the expected reply. Still naked, I
walked in, shut the door and lifted the seat. You guys know how
difficult it is to pee with a hard-on. I had to lean on one hand
on the tank and force my johnson to point down at the bowl. At
first, little trickles just slipped out, but soon my schlong
relaxed, and with a sigh of relief I cut loose.
Mom was being very quiet, and I imagined she was listening.
I glanced up into the mirror to my right (the tub was behind me),
and caught a glimpse of moving shower curtains. I wondered if she
was watching. All the better if she was.
After I flushed the john, I stood there and started jacking
my rod back to hardness. After a couple minutes of this, the
shower stopped and Mom called out "Are you still in here?"
"Yeah."
"What are you doing?"
"Nothing."
"That doesn't look like 'nothing' to me."
"You're not supposed to be looking, Mom."
"I wasn't, not on purpose, I just noticed, that's all."
At this point, she pulled back the shower curtain, revealing
herself wrapped in a towel, and met my gaze reflected in the
mirror. Feigning modesty, I grabbed a hand towel, sat down on the
toilet lid and covered my lap. I stared at her frankly, letting
my gaze travel from the red hair piled on top of her head, to her
smooth bare shoulders, to the few little freckles sprinkling the
slight bit of cleavage visible above the towel, to the curves
bulging under that towel, to the freshly shaved, gorgeous legs, and
I couldn't see her feet in the tub. (No loss, I think feet are
ugly.)
"Well?" I said.
"Well what?"
"Well, are you going to leave so I can finish?"
"You mean, you're still going to masturbate after I've caught
you?" she asked.
"Of course, I've got to do this several times a day or I go
crazy, I get so horny."
"Several times a day? That seems excessive. Why so much?"
I pretended to get a little irritated at the questions,
although the longer we talked, the better my chances. "There are
so many stimuli all around me. The girls at school wear tight
clothes and show lots of skin, but few of them put out, and the
ones that do are ugly. Then Karen's parading around here half
naked all the time. A guy just gets turned on. Oh, and seeing you
in that towel isn't helping matters."
"Me?! Well... I... I'm sorry, I guess. But I'm worried
about you, Steve. It can't be healthy to do that all the time."
""I've never suffered any ill effects, Mom. No fur on my
palms, no incipient blindness. About the only bad thing is I
sometimes rub myself raw. Occupational hazard, I guess."
At this point, Mom stepped out of the shower and sat on the
edge of the tub, knees primly together. "Perhaps you're not doing
it right," she said.
(Hmmm, THAT sounded interesting.)
"What's so difficult about it, Mom? You just grab and go."
"That's not true at all. There are many techniques to
practice, even in masturbation."
(Oh, yeah. Now we're getting somewhere.)
"Get out," I said in mock naivete, "how many flavors of
vanilla are there? I can't believe there's all that much variety."
"Of course, there is. I can see your sex education is sadly
lacking. Perhaps I've been remiss in my duties."
That definitely sounded right on target. Karen was really
right about this approach. I've got to hand it to her - pun
intended. With very little prompting I was going to get lucky.
"What are you going to do, teach me to jack off?"
"I think that might be in order. We can't have you rubbing
yourself raw, can we? Why don't you show me your technique."
"Are you kidding?" I pretended to be incredulous. Can't
appear too eager to whack off for Mom.
"No I'm not." she said, then snatched off my lap towel.
"Let's get down to business here."
"Well, okay, I guess, but I feel weird."
"No need to be embarrassed, dear. I'm your mother."
"That's my point," I said glumly, then shrugged my shoulders
and attacked my soldier, almost literally. I never actually rubbed
myself raw, but I acted as if I were trying to.
"Oh, my," Mom gasped. "That's all wrong. Don't grasp so hard,
and don't go so fast. Here, stop. Now, loosen your grasp. More,
okay. Go ahead. No slow down. Slower. More smoothly. That's
it. No. You're speeding up again."
"Oh, for crying out loud." I said, dropping my dick and
sitting back. "Suppose you show me how."
"I probably should. I'm surprised you still masturbate when
you do it like that," she said leaning forward, "it hardly seems
pleasurable at all." she paused a bit, eying my schlong
critically.
"Come on," I thought, "go for it, go for it."
"Well, I guess it wouldn't hurt anything. In fact, it's to
keep you from hurting yourself.
YES!!! It was all I could do to keep from leaping up and
high-fiving myself. Without further ado, Mom grasped me in her
cool hand and began to stroke lightly.
"Fast and hard is okay once in a while," she said as if
addressing a class, "or if you're in a hurry. But when someone
does this as often as you, you should take it slow, easy and build
up to it. I guarantee you'll enjoy it a lot more."
During this lecture, Mom continued to stroke lightly, it
really did feel better, too. Her technique was definitely
different from mine, but I wondered if it was the stroke or the
stroker which was producing these intense feelings. Probably both.
"Sometimes, you don't need to pump, even, you can do this,"
Here she stopped stroking and squeezed me lightly, quickly and
rhythmically. "Or this," and she tickled the underside with her
nails. "Or this," and she grabbed my head like the top of a stick
shift, rubbing me against her palm. Then, to my horror, she
stopped, saying "Now you try." I almost groaned in disappointment,
but manfully grabbed my rod and followed her instructions. This
wasn't too bad, jacking off with your Mom sure beat doing it alone.
"Oh, yes, you're right," I said, "this is much better. This
is really nice. Boy, too bad you women can't do this, huh?"
"What planet are you from?" Mom snorted, "Of course we can."
"Really?" more bogus wide-eyed innocence "How?"
"Boy, you've really got a lot to learn. Women have very
sensitive parts between their legs, which we can stimulate as
easily as you men. In fact, it's a lot less work."
Trying to keep that studious look and wondering tone, I looked
down at the floor shyly and asked "Mom, could you show me?"
"What? Are you kidding. I don't think so."
"Fair's fair, Mom. I've been pretty embarrassed by this
little tutoring session. Now when it's your turn the lesson's
over."
"Well, I guess it's okay. To be honest, all this sex talk has
riled me up a little."
More than a little, I'd guess. At this point, Mom sat forward
a little on the tub's edge and parted her knees, spreading her legs
wide and with them the bottom of the towel, until her pussy was
completely exposed to my hungry gaze. Her pubes were the same
honey red as her hair. "This is my vagina," she announced, then
pointed out major points of interest, "these lips are called labia.
There are actually two sets of labia, outer and inner, called
majora and minora." She spread those labia with her fingers and
the pink nub of her clit appeared. I noticed that she was
extremely wet as the harsh bathroom lights glistened off her
crotch. "This little button is called the clitoris, or clit for
short. It is analogous to your penis, except for function. It
also becomes engorged with blood and is VERY sensitive. Female
masturbation is concerned with stimulating the whole area in
general and the clit in particular. Sometimes insertion of a
finger or an artificial penile object can add to the pleasure."
Then she began to demonstrate. She rubbed a finger lightly
back and forth between her lips a while, slipping between them a
little. Next Mom flattened her hand out and rubbed her whole
crotch with a circular motion. Each time the tips of her fingers
passed over her clit, she caught her breath in a pleasured gasp.
The circle got smaller and smaller as she concentrated in that
little bud. Her left hand dropped down to part her lips and diddle
therein while her right homed in on her clit. Next, she stopped
her circular motion, held her labes apart with her left hand and
vibrated her right middle finger on her clit, pausing every now and
then to slide that finger down and in for more lubrication.
Needless to say, this was all having a pleasurable effect on
my jacking off. "Oh, Mom," I gasped, "this is really turning me
on. I love watching you."
"Me too, honey. I'm really hot."
"Show me your tits, Mom. I really want to see them."
Frantically frigging herself with one hand, she reached up
with the other and pulled away the towel. Oh, God! she has great
tits. That spray of freckles continued down between them,
spreading out between a pair of wide-set, heavy globular mammaries.
Each was capped by a reddish aureole and extremely erect nipples.
In fact, her whole aureole was engorged and bulged off her already
bulging titties. She cupped her breast with her free hand and
rubbed those aureolae with thumb and forefinger. Then she heaved
it up and dropped her mouth to her own nipple and licked greedily.
This was getting to be too much for me. "Look but don't
touch," has never been an integral part of my lexicon, anyway.
"Can I touch you, Mom?" I asked, "Can I make you come."
She was way too far gone to say no "Oh, yes, Steve. Yes,
baby."
In a flash I was on my knees before her, slipping a finger
into her, hitting her clit with my thumb, using my other hand on
those gorgeous knockers. I almost knocked her back into the tub
in my enthusiasm. She grabbed my shoulders for balance, then
groaned heavily in pleasure, "Oooohhhh, STEVE. That's so nice, so
good. Oooohhhh, YES."
Mom humped herself against my hand, then lifted one of her
jugs up to her mouth again. That looked like a good idea, so I
dropped my lips to the other nipple. Mom groaned around a mouthful
of her own titflesh. Soon my ministrations began to have their
intended effect. As her hip motions became more frantic, she
leaned further back and held on to my neck tighter and tighter with
her free hand. Finally she just used that hand to prop herself on
the far edge of the tub and lean back. As she assumed that more
horizontal position my mouth dropped down from her tit. Following
that natural progression, I trailed my tongue down her torso,
through her pubic hair and onto her clit. As I lashed that little
man in the boat, she let go of her tit and curled her fingers in
my hair, urging my face into her crotch. She encouraged me with
her now unoccupied mouth, "Come on, Steve. Oh, yes. Oh, come on
honey. That's good. Lick me. Oh, lick Mommy. Oh, lick my
clitty. Yes, that's it, Son. Oh do it. Do me. Do your Mom!"
And I did, I went to town on that sexy cunt and soon she was
shouting as she came, " OH, YES. I'M CUMMING. OH, STEVE! OH,
SON! HERE I CUM. MOMMY'S CUMMING! MOMMY'S CREAMING HER LITTLE
SON'S FACE. OH! OH! AAAIIIEEEEE!"
I looked up at her. Her eyes were closed as she caught her
breath. When they opened and looked down at me, I grinned, then
lapped her clit once. She shuddered. Then I stood up and pulled
her back to a sitting position. I kissed the top of her head, then
lifted her chin and kissed her deeply on the lips. She responded
fully to my tongue in her mouth, wrapping it with hers, and kissing
me hungrily. She pulled back a bit and licked her juices from my
cheeks and chin. "Mmmm, I can taste myself," she murmured, "I
taste great."
"You're telling me," I said.
"Oh, honey, you haven't cum yet."
"That's okay," I said equably.
"No it's not," she insisted (as I knew she would) "Here."
She reached for may cock and pulled it to her lips as I stood
up. Did I say "pulled"? Hell, she inhaled me just like Karen had
the day before. It was instantaneous deep-throat. Then she pulled
back and plunged down, pulled back and plunged down, back and
forth, back and forth. I knew it wouldn't be long before I came,
what with all that had occurred to this point, but I didn't care
and I didn't think Mom would mind, either.
Sure enough, after about 10 strokes I felt the oncoming rumble
start. I groaned "Oh, Mom, I'm gonna cum." She pulled back and
forth a couple more times, then pulled her mouth off me and grabbed
me with her hand. "This began as a masturbation lesson," she said,
"and that's how it's going to end."
She started stroking me, quickly and expertly, as she urged
me to come. "Come on, Steve. Come on, Son. Cum for me. Come for
Mommy."
"Oh, MOM," I chorused, "Yes. I'm gonna cum. Oh, yes. Oh,
Mom. I'm gonna cum."
"Yes, son, come for Mommy. Yes, Oh yes. Come on, son."
"Oh, MOM! Oh YEAH! I'm.. I'm gonna... I'm gonna... gonna...
CUM! (spurt) I'm CUMMING"
"YESS!,, CUM for Mommy, come on, Steve, CUM for Mommy, fuck
it, CUM ON MOMMY. Yes! Cum on Mommy! Cum on Mommy's titties, cum
on Mommy's face! OH Fuck it. Cum. CUM! CUM!!!!"
And being a dutiful son, I did as I was told, cumming like
crazy. I spermed her tits, her throat, her chin and face. Drops
of cum spattered into her hair and hung there like dew on a
spiderweb. And still I came. With a little whimper, Mom plunged
her face back onto my cock, all the way in. Her throat muscles
milked me like a hand and half my load ended up directly down her
throat. Finally, I stopped cumming. Mom continued to lick my rod
clean, then let me go and lifted her tits up so she could lick the
cum from them. God! this oversexed bitch was horny! And she was
my Mom. I had to fuck her. Although my rod had flagged a little,
it was still ready for action. When her tits were clean she
dropped them and hugged me around my waist, nestling her cheek
against my stomach.
"Mom, I want to fuck you," I whispered as I stroked that
gorgeous red hair.
"We can't right now, honey," she whispered back, "your sister
will be back soon."
I almost fucked up and told her about Karen and me. But I
caught myself. According to the plan, I'm not supposed to know
about Mom and her, nor she about Mom and me. And Mom definitely
wasn't supposed to know about us. But that's okay, the best laid
plans of mice and men weren't half as well-laid as the three of us
were going to be. I could afford to wait for PHASE II.
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It's good that these projects are including gesture support but I wonder if time would have been better spent designing it into some layer underneath the application? Perhaps adding X extensions for gesuture messages/events would be better?
That way, any humble developer could add the posibility of using gesture input to their app (and it would seem popular enough that people may wat to do this), and we wouldn't have duplicated work in different apps.
OTOH, this might make a race as to who can provide the best gesture engine and give us some great benefits.
Just thoughts.
-- Mike
But in browsers there's another level of unpredictability that is a pain. You never know where the next tab is going to leave you. Could be any number of input forms, or a URL, or maybe you didn't realize it and your focus isn't on the page... it makes navigation with a keyboard near-impossible. Of course, this is largely true for any complicated GUI form. Browsers just happen to be the most common complicated GUI in use.
I suppose it's because keyboards are good for modal or serial interfaces, where mice are better for more random-access interfaces. OTOH, with you use the keyboard to its full potential (i.e., as more than just a bunch of shortcuts) the keyboard can be far more expressive (e.g., CLI). But I don't have any clever ideas on how to map that to a web page.
Always adds to your credibility when you know how to spell ...
It's one thing to misspell a word, but sheesh you better be right if you're going to correct someone else's spelling.
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....and now I'm replacing all my desktop buttons/menus with gestures....
I use a very small program, called "wayv" (URL: at sourceforge). It's definitely not friendly, but it gets the job done.
The reason I moved to gestures to control desktop is simpler: they work ALWAYS, independently of the current state of the screen. Buttons are nice, but they always end up being covered by something, and short of Mac-like "hide all", they quickly become a pain. Win-like bars/menus or right-click menus either are too slow or are position-sensitive. A gesture isn't, and when you have one hand of the keyboard and one on the mouse they are very fast (choose simple ones!).
I use L-Shift+Right button to trigger the recognition code, and while I get mistakes at times, I find that my desktop is much cleaner and opening applictions faster....
You can view the list here. This is for Windows version and I was using Opera v5.12. This is sweet! I can't wait to use this with Mozilla and Galeon. :)
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
Wish there was a fireball gesture.. so i could tourch M$'s page...
w00t!.. 192 gain in belief power!
I'm runnign windows 98 and it doesnt' work either (today's mozilla build - October 4th)
--- "Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." ~ Ben Kenobi, 'Return of the Jedi'
Here are some ideas that might help:
- bug 66285 use a different shortcut to navigate tabs and to navigate links
- bug 67684 directional keyboard navigation: instead using Tab for "go to next focusable element", you could use Alt+Shift+right for "go to closest focusable element to the right".
- Web pages should use accesskeys more often. For example, on msn, you can press Alt+S to jump to the search field. Removing the search menu (bug 67414) from Mozilla would make it easier for page authors to use the Alt+S shortcut, giving accesskeys a much higher chance of becoming ubiquitous.
- bug 37638 the URL bar has initial focus too often (for example, when you start the browser). It's usually better for the page in the content area to have focus, so the user can scroll the page using the keyboard. Worse, accesskeys stop working (bug 64606) when the location bar has focus
- bug 66597 after searching the page, Tab should go to an element after the beginning of the selection rather than the first element on the page. Combined with inline search (find-as-you-type, with no dialog), this would make it easier to jump to links.
You should also check out the netscape.public.mozilla.accessibility newsgroup. Mozilla's accessibility team spends a lot of time making sure the browser works well with the keyboard, in part because blind users can't use pointing devices easily.The shareholder is always right.
very bad.
Move the mouse up and click the approriate button?
Before you beat up on mozilla for feature creep, you should note that mouse gestures are NOT a feature IN mozilla, but an outside project of mozdev.org. If you want to use it, you have to install it. It's not in the trunk.
Granted, the extra features have been POURING in lately (venkman, tabs, link toolbar - all within the last week), so there is a great deal of feature creep but that's a symptom of the unqualified success of mozilla. They set out to develop a platform to be used for all kinds of projects, starting with a browser - and people are using it for all kinds of projects. The way things are going, it looks like the deluge is just starting.
I for one, couldn't be happier. It's got annoyances, but it's nightlies are stable (it hasn't crashed in so long I don't know why I bother with talkback anymore) and they've got features that I would miss dearly if I had to go back to I.E.
Textbooks and Open Educational Resources
Even in the limited scope of the gaming world, you're still wrong. Sacrifice used gestures before Black And White did.
Trees can't go dancing
So do them a big favor
Pretend dancing stinks!
I disagree on the URL bar issue. I'm always annoyed in IE's tendency to start with the page getting focus. Personally, I rarely even look at the page that just opened with the browser window unless I used "open in new window", often opening new windows just for new browsing. In this case, the URL bar is what should have focus.
Its funny how a simple thing like gestures has polarised /. Its really an extension of the keyboard versus mouse debate. There are purists who decry the mouse, saying that everything can be done better and faster by keyboard. They prefer the command line and never having to lift their hands from the keyboard. It works best for text and numerical applications (Coding, Word Processing, Spreadsheets, etc). If you are in this category you probably wont like gestures much either. You have more than enough commands at your disposal.
Obviously there are proponents for the visual (WIMP) interface of the Mac, Windows and X. The mouse provides a limited set of options, but does not require learning a command set as its all on the screen. In highly visual settings this interface is more efficient than the keyboard. Few would argue the superiority of the mouse in playing 3D Games or for drawing images - Although better devices exist for these than either keyboard or mouse. If this is the style of work that you do, you are going to have a hand on the mouse at all times. To not be slowed down by the keyboard you have a few options:
1. Use a one handed keyboard - a very productive combination with some training. (eg: http://halfkeyboard.com/)
2. Assign all functions to an area of the keyboard used by your non mouse hand - some gamers take this approach. (eg., DiabloII)
3. Add to the command set of the mouse (eg., with gestures and additional mouse buttons)
The aim of all these approaches is to prevent you moving your hand from mouse to keyboard.
Taken in this context, you can probably see why the responses have been so varied. Gestures are either useless candy or invaluable additions to how you interact with programs.
Michael
There is no cryptographic solution to the problem where the intended receiver and the attacker are the same entity.
If it is so important to you, go to Bugzilla, find the appropriate bug, and vote for it!
All nice to whinge and moan, but how about you go out of your way and add your vote to encourage getting it fixed.
And yes, I use Mozilla TEXTAREAs a heck of a lot and they could be better. 0.9.4 was a big improvement over the ones in 0.9.2 anyway.
PS, IE5 also has the "press down at the bottom of the textarea to create a hidden EOL".
I like the way Lynx does it; you flip through the links with the keyboard,
and as each link gets highlighted, the URL appears on the bottom statusbar.
Only problem is, sometimes having to flip through links in the order they appear in the page
can become a pain...
I have never really run into these problems you report. Have you filed a bug report? Given a build number, platform, steps to reproduce?
a l/demo.html), and although it has problems, I find it much more pleasant to use than IE (assuming I'm on a Sparc, or under Windows) or Opera, and it just has more to it than Konqueror.
Unfortunately I'm under Win2k at the moment so can't test (although I haven't noticed it under the Linux machine at work either) but:
hitting right arrow at the end of a line sends the cursor to the next line. If at the last line, just doesn't move
Down arrow goes to the next line, again does nothing on the last line.
I've never had entire lines of text disappear. Or any problems with highlighting.
And I have only had it crash on me once in a particularly unusual and fairly difficult to reproduce circumstance (although quite reproducible). The bug I reported on that has been faithfully tracked and appended to a dozen times or so.
And this is with me using the latest nightly builds.
Mozilla has better standards compliance then IE (try http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspir
-- perl -e'print pack"H*","6e656d6f406d38792e6f7267"'
"particularly unusual and fairly difficult to reproduce circumstance (although quite reproducible)"
Erm. I meant that it is difficult to do accidently, but can be done each time once you know how.
Time to take a nap, I think...
-- perl -e'print pack"H*","6e656d6f406d38792e6f7267"'
I'd say it could be better if mouse gestures input is handled by X or the window manager, like wayV. I suppose you can match mouse gestures to keystrokes and therefore theoretically you could use gestures for any application under X.
:)
The downside will be you might need to alter the default keystrokes in different applications so that you can have a single mouse gestures generating a single keystroke to do different functions in different windows.
I'd say this problem can also be solved by a much more sophisticated window manager, which is able to generate different keystorkes on the same mouse gestures, based on the current focus of windows.
Anyway, I don't think mouse gestures will help myself much. Personally I have RSI for the mouse wheel already .
On the other hand, what will be interesting to see is if we can define some even more special move for the mouse to do different things, as if you're playing those action fighting games.
Hold down middle button -> move your mouse Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right -> Release middle button will send a SIGKILL to all applications?
If you have the source, you have the whole world...
Here's a list of a few new features that the Moz team have been debating, also inspired by the trend-setting video game, Black & White:
This follows after the B&W 'creature' concept. An animated "buddy" tries to watch how you browse the web, and learns what pages to prefetch or submit every morning for you. You can scratch/fondle/slap your MozCreature to reinforce its tendency to discover new free porn for you, or punish the MozCreature to ensure that you never again wake up to find many First Posts on slashdot in your name. Lizard, Gnome, Ximian or Shadowman character art choices are included, but many more risquee "skin" packs are hitting the popular theme sites already. Caution: while the MozCreature can eat ad banners, a steady diet of ad banners will send the MozCreature into an IIS-defacing frenzy.
The concept of bookmarks is antiquated in modern internet terms. Once your MozCreature is on the loose, you can use your MozLeash module to assist in the training of the creature; limit their browsing domain to any hostmask or subnet you like, or avoid the MozCreature's tendency to battle for supremacy on many popular websites. Leashing your MozCreature to other popular applications such as the GIMP, nmap or GPG is also possible, but it's up to you to observe the truly remarkable effects while you train your MozCreature to full proficiency.
Adding new JavaScript tags to your websites attracts your MozVillagers to point, click, play and explore your websites more than any real web visitor would. These MozVillager scripts will aid in your site's ad revenues by cavorting around GIF web-bugs as if in reverence, and occasionally clicking-thru to your sponsor sites to increase your marketing manna. The MozCreature, properly trained, can create and publish new MozVillager web scripts on your behalf, but remember, your MozCreature may end up teaching your competition some stupid web tricks as well.
All in all, Mozilla's ever-expanding suite of features, copied from every other application under the sun, shows the power and flexibility of the community development process. Netscape never had the temerity to battle it out, but armed with the MozCreature, MozLeash and MozVillager features, a new mythical landscape redefines the browser wars. Redmond's Clippy has never been in such peril.
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I like mosuse gestures, especially being able to go back with a small effort.
Now, How good is mozillas mouse gesture support if I wait two seconds to go back in history and load the cached page. This applies to galeon too. using mouse gestures needs some responsiveness. Otherwise I can click "Back" button too.
Opera on the other hand is instantenous to browse "Back" and actually makes a perfect fit for mouse gestures.
Yup, I've been up and down Bugzilla making sure that all the complaints that I can verify are already noted accurately.
There are the bugs that I've been tracking:
83650: textarea control has problems with caret positioning at end
82151: Right arrow key at end of a TEXTAREA goes to the beginning
68331: Moving caret in TEXTAREA to start of line can cause page to scroll horizontally
75629: Need better support for setting selection in text inputs and textareas
88024: Down arrow key creates fake line break at the end of a TEXTAREA
74383: textarea input form crashed during complex edit session
During the composition of this reply, I encountered and had to work around several of these.
What GUI browsers need are numbered links and forms like Lynx has.
IMO this is the only way to have total control with your keyboard. Otherwise, users waste time tabbing around.
quixotal
Thank you for posting the bug numbers. I'm going to vote for some of these, because these are major bugs, and I'm experiencing them, too. Hopefully other readers will do the same.
The trouble with opera is that it's unstable on linux. I'm using debian and dynamic opera didn't show images at all (gifs, anyway), and when someone told me I should use static, I did so and images work but sometimes opera locks up X completely. As in, I have to go to console, kill opera and then X totally goes down. So, I'm stuck using netscape for image navigation/jscript and lynx for everything else (~95%). Actually, bad choice of wording here: I'm not stuck, this is very comfortable and useable.. oh, and moz doesn't stop gif animation with Esc. Nor does it have reasonable keyboard shortcuts like opera. Oh, and one more thing: opera don't have vi-like mode like lynx does, which is imho the best part about keyboard shortcuts. See, the whole thing is that I want ot be completely free from mouse - I do a lot of typing between browsing, I may switch to vim and work on a program or a website, and then go to links and browse here and there, so switching one hand to mouse is a major slow-down. IOW, opera went in the right direction but stopped short of reaching the nirvana of input interface: pure keyboard input. You get this quantum leap feeling when you absolutely don't have to use mouse. Lynx has 2 features that accomplish that leap: numbered links and vi-like navigation. If opera had that and didnt' crash X now and then, It'd be perfect and I'd pay for it, even. And when i get a job and don't worry about the money, I'd even pay some extra on top for any browser that did that. And to the "mouse is just as good" croud: I think the difference is that mouse gives ya instant gratification, 10 seconds and you're quick as a fox. But you don't get much faster as time goes by.. with keyboard navigation, it's awkward at first, useable after a few hours, and then it gets faster and faster as you use it, for years. At the end, it's faster and easier, and well worth it if you use computer for a few hours every day on average. Just imho of course.
Most people ignore the stuff on Mozilla.org that says they haven't even started optimizing. They want to make a virtially bug-free, standards compliant, stable base, then make it fast.
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As a web designer I applaud this greatly. Go ahead and compare it against IE, because it's slower than lynx, but don't compare vs Konqueror, and act like Mozilla is behind. Mozilla beats the tar.gz out of Konqueror for stability
"I tried M18 and it was slow" isn't a very good excuse, M18 is a year old. 0.9.x is very usable on 300-500mhz machines with 64mb ram.
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And if you have ever used OS/2 Warp with Netscape (which was speech enabled on the OS/2 platform), you'd see how crummy your gestures are. Try surfing hands free. No mouse required. Speak a link that is on the page, it goes there. No pointy-clicky required.
... is a completed version of Mozilla, mice guestures or not. I'm still on Netsrape 4.77 because it is faster & more stable than Mozilla! :|
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Oh yeah! Egg Troll knows all about the joys of one-handed typing. Say no more!!
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I clicked on your sig, and I must simply say: You are a moron.
My favorite part:
Chat Log [?]
jsm: yeh for fucking infrared mice, and for about a thousand makes of webcam it does. Get real here. For my fucking floppy disk drive, I am telling you through bitter experience it does not. Even if someone has written the drivers in the last week
It seems you are saying thousands of [usb] webcams are supported under linux, which would be a good thing, but it's not true.
You obviously know nothing about computers. First off, you never mentioned that EVERYWHERE, EVERYONE says to backup your HD before trying to mix Linux and Windows. It's common sense.
You lost data because you don't know what you are doing. Yes, you must defrag the drive before resizing a partition! Even windows apps such as PartitionMagic[tm] tells you to do this. But! Normally the windows' defrag will place the data at the start of the drive but it won't always do that. I would recommend putting down big bucks for a defrag program that you can customize like Norton.
[2] Linux broke your computer? How? Because of some crappy data loss. Since '95 came out I've formatted my HD 6-7 times because I had no choice. But! I could reinstall windows every time! Even though the Win98SE CD-ROM doesn't boot on it's own and I must drive miles to get a bootable floppy, with the right CD-ROM drivers... etc.
[3] LFT!?!? Read this:
linuxbabe: you shuold have defragmented. windows scatters data all over your hard drive so the installer cant just find a clean chunk to install into. it isn't linux fault {---- distinct signs of LFT being approached
linuxbabe: that windoze disk management blows
She's right! It does suck. So does it's memory management.. and so on.
[4]Soft modems.
jsm: So in other words, my fucking modem is never going to work with Linux at all?
While I don't agree with linuxbabe [but i still love and respect you 'babe] saying that it's an M$ plot to control the OS market. Soft modems are supposedly designed that way to save costs. The company who made your modem made it that way to use less chips and control the modem through software. It's a faulty design on any system. Your CPU is doing all the work while the modem should be. The costs are cut at your expense.
What the whole thing comes down to: Your dumb. You should'a done your homework before installing another OS. You could'a installed it inside your current partition. Try installing NT; I just installed debain [for fun] and I can't get past step 4 in the NT install. You bought Linux books? There is nothing in those books for a normal user that isn't on the web. You don't have common sense. And lastly: I hate you.
Thank you the flamer lamer has left the building.
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Yeah, this is very annoying. The bug number is 25538 if you want to vote on it.
Not anymore, I guess. The keyboard is now that annoying thing you only have to use when typing in text. And the mouse is great for accelerating your aquisition of RSI.
Hint of advice - adequacy.org is a great site to go to if you want to get your blood pressure up.
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I haven't figured out yet whether or not it is "for real" or if it is just a place to go to insult people, troll and generally be a bastard. Still, I'm guessing on the latter
It nearly "surprised" me first time I saw, but when I change "thumb buttons job" to "internet back command" it sure works perfect on Mozilla/Netscape 6.x. (mouseman+, Mouseware 9.29)
I once asked them (on 9.20 or something, now it is 9.29) why they didn't support at least internet back command, their tech support got it wrong and talked about they couldn't find a way to make webwheel (another logitech thing) work in Mozilla... That time it surprised me since whole Mozilla source is open.
For whatever reason I do this as well. I don't press random buttons but there is much mouse wiggling and marking random text.
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I'm so addicted to the Opera ones that I'm doing gestures in all my other programs.... lol. I hope they are compatible with each other, and that all other programs follows... :)
Sure keyboard shortcuts are good too, but I've noticed thath mouse gestures are even more effective. And Opera has all the keyboard fancy too, of course... together it is awesome!
Hmmm.
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... when it's finished, wouldn't that mean no more progress?
I can't say it's *perfect* (what is?), but I am very happy with recent Mozilla builds (grabbing binaries from their site), don't find them crashy at all on either Linux (running on Mandrake and sometimes other distros, no real difference I've noticed) as well as Mac OS (9).
The tabs rock, the bookmarks are more manageable, and even the IRC client chatzilla is now quite nice. (Huge improvements there! Incredible progress, from 'barely useable, funny novelty' to 'Uhh, why was I starting that other program to do IRC?'*)
I find it faster and more stable than Netscape on the same hardware (midrange athlons and durons for the Linux machine, one has 128, one has 586 MB of RAM, the Mac is an iBook which worked fine with 128MB and now has 384).
Anyhow, maybe you're just hitting things I have no need for, but I can't see any 4.XX netscape being better in normal use than current mozilla
And besides, (I hope that) Mozilla will never be "finished" no matter what numbers are attached to it
Tim
*Chatzilla is also not yet perfect, but it is a pretty good subset of perfect for my needs right now. Better DCC capabilities would be good, as would instant new channels for private msgs, like Xchat.
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You are right... it's a site that lets your inside bastard come out online.
I guess its also a site which thrives on lies, insults to whole groups of people, and dumb people who like to type.
Someone should'a bought that kid mavis beacon.
As someone on that site pointed out, he is probably getting paid directly by M$
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The "click" and "move mouse" gestures are hooked up to the "shutdown" action (some call it a crash)
up, click, left, click, right, click, down, click, left, click, up, click, xterm, kill -9 ..
:D
So what would be the appropriate gesture for killing popup windows?? Invaluable when browsing for pr.. Eh , exotic sites..
sigfault
Well, IE's philosophy seems to be that new windows are either a clone of an existing window, or the home page (probably MSN). Mozilla seems to treat new windows as really new and gives you location bar focus
However - Consider that most users rarely use the location bar. They use bookmarks and links and search engines don't often go and type random addresses. Making a newbie mode with the location bar Read Only wouldn't be the worst idea and would sort out the keyboard issues. (File+Open URL is still there).
I agree that Moz seems to have a good balance here -- for you and me and other power users. One thing that I can't stand is how Netscape 4.x required you to specifically put focus on the page. (Push PgDn and get some random URL from your history?)
There already is one gesture for "Page Back":
:-)
Hold down the right mouse button, move the mouse in lower right direction and release mouse button
I don't understand why people are complaing!
First of all this is an "Optional" download for Mozilla, has nothing to do with mozilla.org.
Secondly, seems people are ranting without even trying it. I always thought mouse gestures were stupid.. But once I tried it.. I changed my mind.
Basically, when I'm browsing, I'm leaning far back in my chair (probably bad for my back), looking back-&-forth between my TV and laptop.. Since my hands are away from the Keyboard, Gestures make my life so much esier. Plus, so much faster.. instead of having to go up and click on the File Menu, (or reach over to the keyboard), I just hold my middle maouse button, and Draw a S or T (for tabs).. and Voila!! I'm ready...
Very easy, and very natural movments.. I really reommend peopl try it out. (just remember, this is version 0.1.4... has a long way to go.
Cheers
--JEDBRO
I just tried it with IE 5.50 on Windows 98, and the context menu didn't come up until mouse-up.
Put a big mouse ball (or several, for stability) underneath the keyboard! Get a big keyboard pad, and you have a two in one! Think of the insanity! THINK, DAMN YOU!!!
Ahem... yes.
- Ithil