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Star Trek: Nemesis Gets the Go Signal
PatJensen writes "Star Trek TNG: Nemesis, the 10th Star Trek movie gets the green light from Paramount today. It will be directed by Stuart Baird, who did Executive Decision, US Marshals and Tomb Raider. Looks to be pretty action packed. Digital Domain
(LOTR, Titanic) will be doing the SFX. The movie seems to be based around Romulan conflict with the Federation. " Can't be as bad as Insurrection. At least, I hope not. BTW the first movie is out on DVD now and they did a pretty good job with the re-release.
I think that Jonathon Frakes is actually a pretty solid director, as is LeVar Burton. I look back on my favorite episodes and those guys did most of them...
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so it CAN'T be too bad. :)
besides, the romulans are, as they say, bad ass. Could actually be good!
(fingers seriously crossed)
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That film was made by Simon "I haven't got a fucking clue as to how to edit a close-in action scene" West, the luminary genius behind "Con Air".
Note that he's scheduled to direct the feature-film adaptation of "The Prisoner" as well. God help fans of the original series.
He, Akiva Goldsman, and Nora Ephron should all be made part of the cast of the next "Survivor" series so that they can't do any more damage in Hollywood for at least a year or so.
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Finally.. we had to wait til the 10th movie to finally arrive at the one with the Romulans. They've been saving them as a plot for... forever. And, its an even numbered flick, so its probably inevitable that this movie is going to be very, very good.
"Captain Picard and Commander Data. Oh, and those other guys too."
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I beg to differ. Insurrection was very good. It made sense. It was entertaining. And watching Data's head float around was cool :-)
If you want a bad recent ST movie, try First Contact. Absolutely destroyed the Borg mythos in one fell swoop.
Although he was a producer and uncredited editor on the film.
"BTW the first movie is out on DVD now and they did a pretty good job with the re-release."
You mean now the WHOLE 2 hour jouney of spock flying through V'Ger is in there? COOL!
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Plus, he played for EFF on The Weakest Link!
Could *anyone* stay awake with Star Trek the Motion Picture? Bad as insurrection? I think not. Granted there hasn't been any pal bald chicks in the new flicks, but that may be a little harsh.
I know I'll get clobbered for this, but I think Insurrection was great. Saw it several times. Bought the DVD and the soundtrack CD. I don't understand the Insurrection-bashing, but it seems to be quite popular. Oh well. Guess I fail that section of the geek-test.
BTW the first movie is out on DVD now and they did a pretty good job with the re-release.
All of the films are out on DVD (and have been for a while), they're just not worth buying because they contain no bonus features to speak of. Strange, considering Trek is a franchise that specifically caters to a crowd/fanbase that would love to see behind the scenes, technical, and "making of" documentaries.
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Coming Attractions - Star Trek 10: Nemesis
Just a warning, spoilers are present..
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Anyone else heard similar? They *are* just internet rumors, after all...
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It will be directed by Stuart Baird, who did Executive Decision, US Marshals and Tomb Raider.
And this is supposed to be a good thing? If anything, it sounds like this'll be the last Star Trek movie.
The plot, I read somewhere, is about a Picard clone trying to gain control of the Romulan Empire. No word on whether or not the stem cells will be used to help treat the obvious brain damage of the screenwriters of Insurrection.
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...that if they're bringing Janeway and Wesley in (now, if the rumours are true, why did they make her an admiral so soon?), and considering TPTB apparently want to do something to permit the Data character to exit, why not bring in some other characters for further closure and whatnot?
Like, why not bring back Chief O'Brien? He was part of TNG, too, like Wesley. And then, if this is really the last TNG-cast movie and if TPTB want to keep a Trek movie franchise, why not bring back, say, Lt. Nog, and some other cast members from DS9 and/or VOY?
(Yes, Nog made it to Lt. Watch the DS9 finale again.)
For future movies, why not create a composite cast, like "the best of" from DS9, VOY, even the ones from TNG that want to stick around?
As long as they don't turn the franchise into "The crazy adventures of Grand Negas Rom", I'll be happy.
Someone should start a petition to bring back Wil Wheaton for this ST:TNG movie...
God! Nobody will ever accuse trekkies of not being fickle!
You're using her as bait, Master!
This way they will sell 2 of each movie..one as soon as it comes out and one when it is rereleased with extended footage
If they release a movie based on Enterprise, will they have to use negative numbers? Star Trek -1: The Klingon Wars
Since when did Paramount stop handing the SFX over to ILM?
BOSTON SUCKS!
It was a Star Trek Episode, just like ST II-IV were. I actually felt that it was *more* of a Star Trek flick than First Contact, and right up there with Generations.
Of course, Star Trek alternates between "movies that are Star Trek" and "Star Trek that happens to be a movie." And that means that X will be like "First Contact", "The Undiscoveredy Coutnry", "The Wrath of Khan", and all the other even-numbered movies.
I look foward to it.
As always, don't forget to check out the plot on IMDb
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..... Of course, so do I.
... and here's something for the trekkies out there to wet their appetite.
The dialogue below should be considered a spoiler !
GEORDI
He just likes things the way he likes them..... (he looks at her, smiles)
He kisses her gently as Worf comes to them. Poor Worf is still suffering a bit from the bachelor party. He plops down beside them.
WORF
Romulan Ale should be illegal.
GEORDI
It is.
WORF
Then it should be more illegal.
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However, I hope every scene is filled with Brent Spinner. After that "Ol' Yellow Eyes is Back" album, he deserves to spend the rest of his life having to listen to plot flaws while signing autographs for socially-retarded Acne cream test subjects. Also, I hope that they make Marina Sirtis cover up. At her present age, they must be bouncing off her knees now.
Captain Archer owns Captain Picard!
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
Man, I can't wait for the 13th movie in which Patrick Stewart's corpse will play a decaying equestrian-mutated Picard.
The tentative title is "Beating a Dead Horse Captain"
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Let me give you the lowdown
Were any of these movies worth watching? TNG was amazing, but so far the movies have been pretty sad.
Sometimes refers to the suits at Paramount, who tend to make decisions based on their view of economic reality or business sense.
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Speaking of Hugh, what ever happened to that borg computer virus that was created when they captured Hugh? That's just the sort of thing I would think Star Fleet would put somewhere in the datastores of every federation ship. "Just in case you're trapped 70,000 light years in the Delta quadrant and surrounded by a few hundred Borg cubes, use this."
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> Can't be as bad as Insurrection.
Famous last words!
Hmm I tend to concur. Remember once saying, "it can't be as bad as Star Trek V!" At least 5 had one funny line: "What does God need with a Starship?" There was nothing funny about Insurrection (OK, DATA going nuts was actually really cool, but otherwise it was excessively lame).
And with respect to another crappy odd-numbered trek, I found it interesting that, in an interview on John Stewart's short lived late-night talk show immediately prior to the release of Generations and Tank Girl, Malcom McDowell would only allow Stewart to talk about Tank Girl, not "the other movie."
We can only hope that the odd-even thing continues to play out.
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According to imdb.com
6.4 Executive Decision
5.5 US Marshals
6.2 Tomb Raider
So it looks like we can't expect much from the next Star Trek unfortunately.
i'd have something go wrong on the holodeck that would keep the ship in a time loop. the bad aliens would turn out to be good guys and vice versa. everyone would get really old very quickly because of a space phenomenon and would then go mad. and turn into lizards. and then meet god. in the end it would all turn out to be a romulan plot. new uniforms please!
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C'mon...let's not beat up on Insurrection. First of all, most people who go to see Star Trek films are a self-selected audience. We'll go see any Star Trek movie because it's as obligatory as filing your taxes every year. Anything after First Contact that didn't have as much action was bound to get criticized, and Insurrection centered around a theme that has produced some of the best episodes of TNG, "something rotten in the federation". Just my opinion.
Since the next Bond movie is supposed to have a scene with female nudity, I'll boycott this one if it don't have a shower scene with Seven of Nine. Regardless if it fits in the story or not!
But seriously, what do you feel about nudity in ST movies? Does it belong there? Or does it make the movie anti-ST and/or lower the quality?
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Well, we might HATE the MPAA and their way of doing business, but of course that doesn't mean we shouldn't buy all the shiny new DVDs they release...
I hate to repeat myself, but people who complain about the MPAA and RIAA all the time, but still rush out to buy every new CD or DVD they think they could like need some serious attitude adjustment.
I'm sure this will result in a flame war and several Troll mods, but here it goes...
As someone who likes Sci-Fi and Star Trek, but is NOT a trekkie, I'd like to note that the even numbered Trek movies are good, and the odd ones are not that good (I won't say "bad", but they could be better).
1: Long, too detailed
2: Khan was sooo evil. Coolness
3: A lame excuse to bring Spock back
4: Whales. Time Travel. Spock using colorful metaphors. Cool
5: Great Barrier? Lame
6: Klingons and Federation make peace. Cool
7: Generations. 10 minutes of the Enterprise crashing. Twice. Need I say more.
8: Star Trek "history". Nifty plot, cool movie
9: Insurrection was just bad. 'Nuff Said.
That said, Star Trek X will rock. Flame away.
They're going to have to go through extensive effort to maintain Brent Spiner's appearance as the immortal android Data and not some dude in his 50's with crows feet and a middle aged gut.
Is it just me, or does it seem like the Future Dude directing the Suliban on Enterprise is a Romulan? Maybe we'll get to see the 24th Century theater of the "temporal cold war".
Also, it wouldn't be a Star Trek movie without time travel. *sigh*
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Let's look at the brief history:
Star Trek I - Rather cheezy looking and overall not that good of a movie
Star Trek II - KHAAAAAAAAAN! Still one of the best Start Trek movies
Star Trek III - The search for spock. It had some good moments but overall kinda dull. Not bad, but not great
Star Trek IV - Okay, the environmentalism was layed on thick, but overall a very different style from the other movies (much more humor), and quite a bit of fun
Star Trek V - Today red shirted ensigns we are going to go find God on some funky planet in the middle of nowhere. Set phasers on CRAP!
Start Trek VI - My personal favorite. Lots of good drama between Federation and the Klingons. The big fairwell for most of the original cast.
Star Trek VII - a crossover between the old and new, and the movie clearly suffered for trying to force that.
Star Trek VIII - We get to see the old federation, a borg trying to seduce Data, and overall a fun and action packed movie.
Star Trek VIX - Ummmm.. what was this movie again. I know I saw it, but I don't recall it having anything worth remembering. Something about somebody rebelling I think but I forget.
So, back to an even number and so we can reasonably assume it will be good. It seems like they screw up, and then work hard to get the next one right. Then they rest on their laurels and screw up again.
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I wouldn't be surprised. Even though Mr Stuart has gotten faim and acclaim for bringing back Star Trek (he basically launched an entire industry with that classically-trained voice: "engage"), he is a rather serious actor, and serious actors like to take on diverse, challenging, creatively envigorating roles.
Unfortunitely for the rest of us, playing the same space captain for 10+ years kind of takes the "diverse, challenging, creatively envigorating" out of it.
BTW: I caught his Prospero (that's from Shakespeare's Tempest) a couple years back in NYC. Brilliant. If anyone ever has a chance to see Patric Stuart perform anything live (esp Shakespeare), take it. His stage presence is unreal. I really hope he finds more projects to work on in the future.
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I know you have a boner for SFX companies that use Linux, but Digital Domain only did a few FX shots for LOTR. To list LOTR as one of "their" SFX films is a bit much. Here's a quote directly from lordoftherings.net:
Peter Jackson and his team not only created a physical Middle-earth, they also designed an entirely digital universe for The Lord of The Rings trilogy. This staggeringly intensive, behind-the-scenes work was carried out by WETA Digital. The New Zealand based F/X company assembled a crack team of computer artists, key frame animators, modelers, digital paint artists, motion editors, compositors and software engineers, among others, to devote years of their lives to creating never-before-seen effects.
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They could also pick up the thread from Insurrection, where the Borg queen gave him human skin. They could have Data re-create this procedure and give himself a new skin, which is then subject to aging.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
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But don't take my word for it. Here, read this script review.
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And as annoying as Wesley might have been, he's no C3P0....
Actually, the correct formula for determining whether a Star Trek movie is good or bad was flushed out by Brunching Shuttlecocks in their review of Insurrection. Obviously, it's too long to repost here, but is highly accurate (or at least will at least make you smile).
--Mythos
There I was thinking that one bought them in order to be able to watch the film at will, with surround sound and a high-resolution picture. Silly me.
I hope you're trolling. The appeal of the DVD is not only in the quality of the film, but in the scene access and ability to pack on extras that couldn't be easily integrated with a VHS copy, such as director/actor commentary, multiple angles (for you porn fans out there) and language selection.
After all, if he can hold his own with Queen Ice Bitch Anne (WL), he should have NO trouble stirring it up with the pissant Federation.
Whaddya say, Wil?
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"When I did Weakest Link, I stood next to LeVar," Wheaton said on his website, in a post earlier this evening. "We were talking during the commercials, and I said to him that I really missed them. He said to me that I should be in the movie, especially since it's going to be the last TNG movie. I told him that I would love to be in it, but I really thought that Berman and company really didn't like me. He seemed surprised, and he told me that he was going to call Rick the next morning, and suggest to him that I be in the movie, at least as a cameo. I thought that would be really cool, and told him so.
"Last week, on Friday, my agent called me to let me know that there was an offer from Paramount to reprise the role of Wesley Crusher in Star Trek X. We just needed to work out the details.
"So we spent some time negotiating it, and --get this-- Rick Berman told my agent that he was 'very pleased' that I was going to be in the movie!
"I am really excited about this for three reasons:
* I am going to get to work with my friends again.
* Wesley Crusher will have some real closure, finally.
* For the last 5 years, at least, everywhere I go, fans ask me if I'm going to be in a movie, and what happened to Wesley, and I can honestly say that I'm doing this for the fans, because it will be so damn cool to see all of us together again.
"WHEEE!"
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The romulans and the federation get into some conflict and wesly jumps in and stops time, like he did when the Cheroky(sp?) started to fight with the Cardasians, and some how resolves there diffrences
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As I recall from Insurrection, the Enterprise had to eject its warp core. Without that, the Neutral Zone is a loooooong way off...
Holy Mother Of Fuck. A movie worse the "Tank Girl"? Boy, an I glad I've never seen Insurrection...
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... since I saw ST3 when people say "your gonna get yourself killed doing that!" I always reply "I've been dead before."
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Sorry I am spoiled, I want to have better action and more fun with this sort of movie and ST lacked in both departments. We all have got a little blase about SFX, they are good for spectacle but don't exactly help the movie develop. Some of the ST story lines were just plane lame, some showed promise, but were not well developed.
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He wrote, "Star Trek is the McDonalds of science fiction." Sometimes filling, sometimes good in a pinch, sometimes what you're looking for, but never quite good.My guess is that this new Star Trek will suck, not because of the director or the tired old franchise, but because even the best Star Trek tends to be marginal.I think it is interesting that we now live in a world where the original themes of Star Trek are considered so obvious that they are cliches: we should all get along, maybe we shouldn't screw around with other cultures, 'stun' is better than 'kill,' etc. Back during the original run, these were revolutionary concepts. Now, they're commonplace. Star Trek lost any sort of social relevance decades ago and now solely exists to validate pathetic fan fantasies. It's about hardware and in-jokes.Q says in the final episode of the Next Generation: "That's the exploration that awaits you. . .not mapping stars and studying nebulae. . .but charting the unknowable possibilities of existence." Good mission statement for a real science fiction series. Too bad Star Trek rarely lives up to it. Too busy selling toys, I guess.Star Trek to me is like giving a child a toy and watching as he plays with the box.
I guess I missed some of the latest ST films, which doesn't say much about them being good, since I'm a cinefile on a grand scale.
My first reaction to the script review and other details is: How Last Century.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this probably won't be as good as some of the current Enterprise episodes are, which is a shame, cause I quite like the Enterprise series.
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As I recall from Insurrection, the Enterprise had to eject its warp core. Without that, the Neutral Zone is a loooooong way off...
Maybe so but they probably still had FTL comms. Starfleet would send a tow truck by soon enough, I'm sure. While they waited they could kick back and enjoy not saving the unuverse for a while.
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It's a documentary about star trtek fans. Anyone who has seen it will remember and recognize a particular trekkie who was creating his own star trek movie called "Nemisis". This was quite a while ago, and the movie, I believe, was supposed to be about a star station, but what impressed me was the detail he and his crew put into designing their movie. Now, I would have written this incident off as coincidence if not for the information I just recently aquired, which is that this particular trekkie was seen on an episode of drew carrey. Now, this isn't exactly a "big holywood break", but I can't help but wonder if they're using any of his ideas in this new movie. Does anyone have any information about this?
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Patrick Stewart will be reprising his one man "A Christmas Carol" in LA and NYC for two weeks in December. All proceeds from the 12/28 performance will be going to a September 11th charity.
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I missed this the last time he did it, so I'm glad to get another opportunity to see him perform.
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...the sole reason I own them is so that I can watch those movies whenever I want. The extras mean nothing to me. You should not be shocked by this.
I'm not shocked, really, but surprised. You've been able to watch a movie whenever you want for the last 20 years with VHS. That's nothing new. While I understand that some people don't care about features, it really is one of the main reasons DVD is popular.
Why does /. give Star Wars its own topic but not STar Trek? Slashdotters probably waste^B^B^B^B^B spend far more person-hours watching Star Trek than watching Star Wars. Don't get me wrong... I love them both. It just seems to me that there is more discussion here about Star Trek than about many topics that get their own, um, topic.
You wrote:
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Directed by Frakes.
Story and executive production by Nimoy.
Keep Shatner the heck away from the set.
Keep it fast and not too much dialog.
etc..
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This is exactly how Hollywood works. Early in the series of movies, Paramount called in Harlan Ellison and said to him "listen, we make $10 million of a Star Trek movie, and we make $10 Million on a Eddie Murphy movie. So write us a Star Trek Movie with Eddie Murphy in it and we'll make $20 miilion!"
No joke.
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I guess I should say there are spoilers here for anyone who hasn't seen Insurrection and actually wants to, but I won't recomend it.
It made sense. It was entertaining.
It made sense and was entertaining only in the way that Armageddon made sense and was entertaining. It made sense because it did not require anyone to think. The good guys were beautiful suburban white people. The bad guys were ugly, puss ridden freaks, so it was easy to keep track of who was who. Then, there was twenty minutes of running away from baddies through caves. Who didn't see that they were going to have to go back for that kiddie's pocket baby-seal and get trapped by a cave-in at least five minutes before it happened? For me, it was entertaining in the same way as Armageddon, which is to say it was not.
And then there's the lame transporter save. If they could save Picard from the thing before it blew up, why not the baddie, too? If they neglect to save him when all they have to do is beam up two people instead of just one, isn't that just murder? If not, its at least sloppy writing.
As for First Contact, I thought there were some great moments of real internal conflict where data is being tempted. And they made Troi tolerable. All you had to do was get her drunk. Who knew?
I do agree that the (only) cool thing in Insurrection was Data going nuts at the begining. That was fun, and unexpected.
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I do hope Wil will keep us posted. Will you, Wil?
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How much do you want to bet that Paramount has negotiated or is negotiating a contract with Denise Crosby to play Sela? She's one of the more interesting Romulans on TNG.
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Fortunately (perhaps), directors don't have that much power on a Trek movie set. The big-name actors are the real stars, know it, and throw their weight around accordingly.
The real powers are the writers and the actors. Oh yeah, and Rick Berman. :)
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1=2.5
;)
2=3
3=3
4=3.5
5=2
6=3
7=3
So the average for ODD movies is 2.6 and EVEN movies it is 3.2
The WORST movie was an ODD (2) one and the best was an EVEN (3.5).
To top it all off there is NEVER the case that a ODD movie is followed by and EVEN movie with a LOWER score, nor an EVEN movie followed by an ODD movie with a higher score, so the curse exists.
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Actually, they talked about that when they found his "mother". He's supposed to appear to age as well, even though his body will last for millenia.
it just means now the universe will be filled with billions of rouge borg.
I assume you mean rogue, though a bunch of rouge borg raging around does have a certain scary aesthetic quality.
This leads to the obvious question:
Would this make them Red Shirts?
And although moderators moderating the parent poster as overrated may in fact be jealous of the intelligence of the comments, they certainly aren't jealous of the spelling. (Last time I checked, statement had a letter between the second t and the m....).
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Anyone notice the date on that article? September 24, 2001. This isn't news, yada yada yada, you know the drill.
I own about ten DVD's, and have never seen the extras. I have absolutely no interest in how the movie was made, or some stupid little "game" they can put on a DVD about it... I only want to watch the movie. And I want it to look and sound great, which it does. :)
I think one of the rather off the wall ideas we thought of was a scenario in which Sisko returns, but returns "evil" somehow. He forges an alliance with the Romulans, and in the end the crew of the Enterprise must sacrifice their ship and themselves to save the galaxy. This could be an interesting way to end the whole franchise, would intermingle the TNG and DS9 cast (as well as providing a GOOD excuse for Worf to rejoin the Enterprise Crew).
It might seem rediculous, but I find that solution more appealing than the direction the franchise appears to be heading: more series that suck even worse than Voyager / Soft core porn.
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