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Domain Names to Suck More
A submitter writes: "MSNBC is running this article about a free speech lawyer who will be doling out sites with the word 'suck' in it for free. He and others are afraid that too many of these gripe sites have been taken away from their owners and given to the target companies and is willing to fight in court for these people." We posted about the VivendiUniversalSucks decision earlier.
I suggest we set up a website to promote a lawsuit where the guidelines are more ambiguous. I recommend registering "www.hoovervacuumcleanersDONTsuck.com"
Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
I could not find any links that resulted in getting a free .comsucks. domain !
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That's all well and good for free speech, but these stories always make me wish I had a piece of the Domain Name sales pie. The # of people that actually visit these X-sucks.com sites is slim to nil. Feel free to spend the money, I guess.
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The summary should specify that the domains are "company.comsucks.net", not "companysucks.com" as the summary implies.
*Life is too serious to be taken too seriously.*
I doubt that this will affect in any way domains that have been legally bought. So.... I think its a good idea, although it seems to be a waste of time. Why can't people that lost their domain names just fight their own battles? Or perhaps this is because the lawyer wants a percentage of the profits from winning legal battles?
Would this be like an ObGyn passing out condoms with holes in them?
BlackGriffen
I think we just need to formalize it, there is a definate need for the TLD ".sucks"
primus knew what they were doing when they made thier home page primussuscks.com right from the begining.
ender-iii
I think it only fair that the existence of this site is disclosed while discussing this story.
The sucks.com owner could lease out second level domains under his domain and make a tidy little chunk of change for himself. This would, at the very least, make it much more difficult to have domain names siezed and transferred to them, since they'd have to take the trademark dispute to court rather than some completely unaccountable international IP committee.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Why complain about having a *sucs.com site named after you. Use it as a tool to fix your problems? Or just be flattered that someone took the time to develop a website dedicated to telling the world how much your company sucks. Isn't the irony there pretty thick already?
~.Evanrude
I don't necessarily agree with the so and so sucks.com mentality, but it is a freedom of expression issue. Just because I hate everything the KKK stands for, doesn't mean I won't defend their right to assemble, etc. This is, IMO, similar. Hopefully this is a small step for the online community towards a more democratic society.
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Maybe they should just give their sucks list to Australia who can add it to their BLACK LIST. It seems like everyone is getting into the list industry.
Before I paid to set up RiverMillSucks.com
*sigh*
ya gotta love a bunch of college kids bitching about their landlord. That's really the essence of life.
Or mine, anyway...
El Karma: excelente(principalmente la suma de moderación hecha a los comentarios de los usuarios)
VivendiUniversalReallyReallyReallySucks.com
or
VivendiUniversalSucksButt.com
or, to show you're not looking for money...
seineeWerAsreenignElasrevinUidneviV.org
(pardon the silliness. this post composed umop apisdn)
Every once in a while I like to masturbate a new word into my vocabulary, even if I don't know what it means.
We need a .sucks top-level domain. To save time the
registrar could send the owner the date of his/her trademark infringement suit as soon as the first payment was made!
There are two important things we need for domain names.
.foo, .jkfajsk, .fuck.you, .whatever
1) We must be able to put any fucking thing we want, regardless if it's a companies name or not.
2) Top level domains should be anything you want. As in
I live under the bridge, in a pile of feces.
http://slashdot.orgsuck.com
That's a mouthful!
~ now you know
how bout OpenNIC and/or New.net work on creating a .sucks TLD :-)
"The ones who dont do anything are always the ones who try to pull you down" -- Henry Rollins
How happy would freespeechcenter.org be if I registered freespeechcentersucks.org?
Kan jeg få en pils, vær så snill?
I tried to do the something similiar last year. I set up a subdomain redirection site so you could assign microsoft.usuck.com to wherever you wanted, etc. (Actually, that site pointed HERE - and I didn't do it). I had over 70,000 domains being redirected.
After the spam community started using my domain service for their own good, Verio threatened to pull the plug, so I stopped that service. What a pity.
It was so fun, though. Getting emails from parents saying their kids were going to drop out of school because people had set up redirections from (example) johnsmith.usuck.com that ended up redirecting to gay porn sites.
This is sort of a good thing in that you can (at least in the future) get your VivendiUniversal.comsucks.com address for free (?) but it doesn't address the underlying issue that these "suck" domains shouldn't have been taken away in the first place. So kudos Ed Harvilla for the idea but it's a workaround for the problem not a solution to it.
Personally if I were to create a parody site in the future I'm going to learn from Jay Sallen's mistake and NOT create a sucks domain. Think: VivendiUniversalBlowsGoats.com how's the WIPO going to award that to them? Actually, perhaps I shouldn't have asked that question...
He who defends everything, defends nothing. -- Fredrick The Great
How about:
http://jennajameson.sucks.com
Or:
http://mylast_girlfriend_name.sucks.com
That would be welcome.
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Hey!!! the parentheses are good for something
you know, if the people who have *sucks.com sites named after them too it as advice as to how to make thier company and products better, then they would just put those sites out of existance and then they would have nothing left to bitch about.
(how is that for a run on sentance?)
ender-iii
Question though, the article states that "Harvilla promises to fight the owner's case in court. '...and we have the resources to fight a case, where (siteowners) don't...' but I didn't see where it said he would do that for free... I assume (like everyone else here) that he would since he is the true owner of the name but where's he getting the $$$ to do this? Wouldn't he be to preoccupied making the cash with other cases to devote productive free time to this cause?
Ascalante: Your bride is over 3,000 years old.
Kull: She told me she was 19!
If you don't like the DMCA and want to make a 'suck' site from it, you should go grab:
DMCARules.com
Then make it a suck site. That way, instead of just making a suck site that hardly anyone will go to, you make a site where the trolls are your friends!
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
I don't know if you're a troll, trying to be funny or actually serious with this post but regardless of which I'm using it to respond with my own bit of my own constitutional rights. And I do not mean free speech.
First I'll let you know right off that in the spirit of America hating America is alright. Think about what this country would be like ( and many in this world are ) if you didn't have the right to express Anti-American ( politics, economy, foreign policy ) sentiment.
More importantly however is that I'm fully capable of being an American without being Christian. As I've so noticed especially with our God bless everything president we have right now what most people interpret Freedom of Religion to be freedom to choose your christian sect. Which admittadely is what our founding fathers meant when they wrote the constitution.
So if you actually were serious with your post and not a troll or just not funny, stick it in your ear.
I'm proud to be an American.
I'm proud to be atheist.
-TheRowk
You can change without improving, but you can't improve without changing. -Quote stolen from I don't remember who
I might not agree with Bush's ham-handed lack of TRUE religion either, but I do know this: At least he's trying, and he probably won't go to HELL with all the athiests.
--SC
You read fiction? I write it! Lemme know what you th
LawyersSuck.com
Surely you mean "The evidence
Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
freespechcentersucks.org?
:)
Petru
What effect does buying
.info,.biz,.com,.museum,.org,.net,etc... for their business anyways.
bizsucks.biz
have on anything whatsoever? Retard e-business types will still buy
I think while the dude has good intentions he is just wasting time and effort.
If you really want to protest form a new sort of DNS system and make it popular. Then when people stop using closed DNS systems where registration is monopolized you won't have to be a dork and buy
bizsucks.com
bizsucks.net
bizsucks.org
...etc...
Tom
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
These domain names are fun, but nothing beats and original like WebPagesThatSuck.com ...
.... nothing says suck like grabbing your nemises domain name before they did original owner of PETA.Com ... here are some examples via WPTS : Domain Names
or a better yet
healyourchurchwebsite.com - WWJB?
Can someone explain to me how:
1. Assinite corporations can force a US citizen, who, for example, lives in NY to defend his right to the domain-name site www.fordsucks.com in Switzerland, or some other foreign country, or even some other state? If I live in NY, and have all of my resources in NY, how can they force me to appear before a court in another state/country? And if all my resources are here, and the server hosting my site is here, what coersive force do they have?
2. How a WIPO court, or any court outside of NY state (aside from a US Federal Court) has jurisdiction over a NY-state citizen?
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
How about a domain name incorporating everything that really really sucks:
u cking-sucks.org
http://www.riaa-mpaa-bsa-wipo-wto-ms-apple-govt-f
Any suggested additions?
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
...figuring out whether he's be sarcastic or serious...
Zodiac Survey
I have been communicating with US and UK Government (and lawyers) about these problems for some time now.
;-)
The authorities know the solution - restricted TLD for trademarks.
ICANN President Stuart Lynn and Chairman Vint Cerf made admission about restricted top-level domains to Reuters.
"More people I talk to think it's the more likely direction," said Llyn.
I wonder why UN WIPO or US DOC did not tell them - (not).
WIPO took these domains, saying they were "confusingly similar" to the company's actual name.
This is just SPIN and PROPAGANDA - they know the solution.
Virtually every word is trademarked, be it Alpha to Zeta or Aardvark to Zulu, most many times over.
MOST share the same words or initials with MANY others in a different business and/or country.
For example, the World Trade Organization (WTO) shares its initials with six trademarks - in the U.S. alone.
The authorities allow this conflict to continue, for reasons stated on my site and in comments to WIPO.
Domains could be made unique and totally distinctive, as the LAW requires trademarks to be.
The solution was ratified by honest attorneys - including the honourable G. Gervaise Davis III, himself a UN WIPO panellist judge.
Please visit WIPO.org.uk to see it.
Nothing to do with the United Nations Organization - WIPO.org
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If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.
>the Panel has found that non-English speaking Internet users would be
>likely to attach no significance to the appended word 'sucks' and would
>therefore regard the disputed domain name as conveying an association with
>the Complainant
So then vivendiuniversalCHUPA.co.(mx|ar|es....) would be okay??
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Fight Spammers!
I actually own a sucks.com. I recently registered www.subwaysucks.com for my brother and I. I am a former employee(One week) and he has worked there for 4 years. We are going to blow open the Jared conspiracy and others. We have no real problems with subway we are just doing it in fun and mean no harm to them. I still eat there every day.
The Bush campaign registered every derogatory domain name they could think of, to keep people from having websites that would post negative info about him. I'm sure other politicians have done or will do the same, it is a race to get them before someone else does. I wonder why they even bother - if someone thinks they suck, and wanna have a site to say so, why not just let them. Isn't that what freedom of speech is mainly about? Being able to express our pleasure/displeasure the government?
The problem here is by making a distinction between .sucks and .com or you don't get people getting the same information on the same searches. There may be a stigmatism from the information being on the .sucks tld, it is someone who is just complaining. Then you will have the issue of domain battles for barbie.sucks, because people will fight over who thinks barbie sucks more.
Fight Spammers!
Perhaps we need a top level domain .suck
whose only requirement is that the company involved is NOT allowed the name. Would be fun to have a protected space for commentary and would inherently undermine the confusion argument if it was well nown that .suck domains are commentary on the parent name by outsiders.
I thought Comsucks was for Comcast's new "high speed" cable modem service.
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if i visit that msnbc site linked in the topic
? ww w.msnbc.com/news/create_p1.asp?URL=www.msnbc.com/n ews/691648.asp
(http://www.msnbc.com/news/691648.asp)
it instantly redirects me to
http://msid.msn.com/mps_id_sharing/redirect.asp
seems like they suck too with their user tracking domain poisoning too
Think: VivendiUniversalBlowsGoats.com how's the WIPO going to award that to them?
Better yet: VivendiUniversalBlowsGoatse.cx and redirect it to Goatse.cx (don't click it; it's gay porn).
Will I retire or break 10K?
A clueless troll.
And the only things worse than a clueless troll are the mouth-breathing idiots who take the bait. Click on User Info. Look at posting history. Duh.
If you registered it presumably the MPAA would (sooner or later) womp out the lawyers and claim the domain for themselves, of course at some point the RIAA would also notice it...
Nature abhors a paradox
We can but dream
I think the important thing to keep in mind here (for First Amendment purposes) is not what the domain name is, but rather what is one the site itself. I doubt most of these sites take you to a page that simply says, "Micro$oft $ux$, d00dz!!!!!!!" To be sure, there are certainly a bunch of illiterate trolls out there that do just that. However, with the vast majority of these sites, they are operated by people with an IQ higher than 4 that just want a place to vent. Or in the case of the Universalsucks.com guy who has all the *sucks.com sites, you get to go to a message board to vent about them yourself. It's this type of public debate about public issues (both political and commercial) that, if nothing else, the First Amendment certainly protects.
As to your argument that "sucks" is a vulgarity, I have three responses.
1.) Get over it. There are no bad words. Bad thoughts? Yes. Bad intentions? Certainly. But bad words? Words are simply what you make of them. Suck can be used in a bad way. "Hey baby, why don't you suck my ****???" Certainly would be considered, at the very least, crude and insensitive. However, saying, "Microsoft sucks, and here's why..." is neither crude nor insensitive. It is a spark for intelligent public debate. Plus, the word has force.
"Microsoft is not a good company."
"Microsoft sucks."
Which of those two sentences more accurately portrays my utter lack of respect for their worthless institution? Obviously the second one, and it's a hell of a lot more concise than the explanation sentence following it.
2. *sucks.com domains use the word sucks because it's easy. You want to find out what people who hate M$ have to say? Try going to "Microsoftsucks.com" How about AOL? Maybe AOLsucks.com. It is simply an easy way to make your gripe site found. What's the alternative? "Microsoftisabadanevilbunchofwussies.com"? Is that something that people are honestly going to think of to type in? We need to keep this simple; there's a lot of stupid people out there.
3. UR just j3@lou$ th@t uz W@R3Z d00dz i$ c0013r than U!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! M1CR0$OF7 $UCK$!!!!!!!
Hope that cleared things up.
Tuck
Tuck's Journal.
I'm quite surprised Torvalds hasn't talked with this guy yet ;)
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And the Angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots! The cries of the carrots!"
A new TLD - .sux
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Sorry, I'm only a 1336 h4x0r.
I own thingsthatsuck.com ...
Since it seems as though you missed the point on all three of my points, I will reiterate them.
1. You actually made my point here by acknowledging that some usages of the word are non-vulgar. Don't make me some poster child for relaxation of politeness rules. It's not being impolite for me to tell you that something else is not quite my cup of tea. Nor is it so to tell you that something sucks. If I told you that you suck, your company sucks, your car sucks, etc., that would probably be impolite. Not because I'm using the word "sucks", but because I would be insulting you. I'm not insulting you, and neither is anyone else. They are, however, insulting Microsoft, Universal, etc.
BTW, you don't have to be rude to telemarketers. You don't have to slam the phone down either. Tell them as soon as they call to put your name on their "Do Not Call" list. They are all required by federal regulations to maintain one. And they are required to not remove names from it. Don't ask to be "taken off their list", that just removes you from the DO CALL list, which is renewed every few days and you'll be back on again. However, once you get on the "Do Not Call" list, you probably won't get anymore calls. I just got one last week, and it's the first telemarketer in two years to call me.
2. Perhaps I didn't make my second point sufficiently clear. I wasn't saying that sucks is easy to type. I was saying that it's something that's easy to think of and easy to find. Like I said before, if you want to find a page that's anti-Microsoft, you could type in as a starting point "Microsoftsucks.com". This is easy for someone to think of and it would probably be the first thing they think of. So, having the word is great for the webmaster of the site (since, after all, he/she probably would want people to find the page) and probably increases the unique hits on the site. It's an easy draw for webmasters. Not because the word is somehow "evil", but because it's something easy to think of for someone seeking that kind of page. That's why "bad" and "evil" don't quit work. Microsoftbad.com? Not quite the first thing that comes to my mind if I was looking for something like that.
3. Some people call these things jokes. A few of them also laugh at them from time to time. Since you apparently didn't get it, I'll explain it to you. You requested flaming from all the "ACLU-ers" out there. The manner in which you did it seemed to imply that you felt as though we are all illiterate trolls that have to be "l33t" whenever we post. So, in order to satisfy your request, I decided to comply. Next time, I will signal the joke before I post it.
Tuck
Tuck's Journal.
Somebody set up the tld servers for .comsucks and I'll add it ot the ORSC root zone. I have working registry software too, if needed...
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Just to be pedantic: ICANN makes all new gTLDs "block" a special set of reserved names that can't be registered by normal joes off the street. Of course, they include "icann" in the list, thus protecting us from the potential horrors of "icann.museum".
.pro agreement. It's the same list they stick all the new gTLDs with.
For example, here's the reserved domain list from the
Included in the list, by the way, are all the other ICANN gTLDs, so there will never be a "gov.sucks", even it there is a ".sucks" domain.
Proud to be / Smiley-free / Since Nineteen / Ninety-Three
Or rather, the original registrant of sucks.com, Zbig Tyrlik, tried it back around 1994. (I believe he was also the original registrant of "suck.com", selling it to the Automatic Media gang when he realized there's no money in subdomains.) He did get alt.fan.zbig-tyrlik newsgroup out of the deal, though.
Here, found a old Usenet article mentioning Zbig's folly. Didn't find anything by Zbig himself. If I recall correctly, he did most of his advertising in the oh.* and cle.* netnews hiearchies. That was probably part of his sales problem right there....
Proud to be / Smiley-free / Since Nineteen / Ninety-Three
By attacking these sites, Big Business wish to muffle criticism.
They also wish to have sole control of these WORDS - have PRIORITY over others using the same words as them.
Like I say - MOST share the same words with others.
e.g. Why should Dell Computers have priority over others using the word Dell?
This one from the year 1943 - filing Date October 27, 1958 - don't they have precedence?
Word Mark DELL - US Serial Number 72061365
Goods and Services IC 016. US 038. G & S: PAPERBACK BOOKS AND PERIODICAL PUBLICATIONS. FIRST USE: 19430500. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19430500
Lawyers are making a loads of money from Big Business clients attacking these sucks sites.
These are reasons why they both do not want a solution to this problem - they are CORRUPT.
The moderator of my previous post was being disingenuous - the contents was on topic - so is either moron, lawyer or in Big Business.
Free Speech is a right - not a privilege. Americans - check out the First Amendment: they abridge what words you can use.
Will Ed Harvilla give me the site EdHarvillaSucks.com for free?
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
I will draw your attention to my posting below, with reference to the following quote from your link:
"Presumably these Nazi Moderators think it's more important to burn a user's existing karma, to silence that individual for the future, than to use the moderation system for what it's meant for : identifying "good" and "bad" posts (Notice how nearly all oppressive governments in the past and present do the same thing : marking individuals as bad and untrustworthy because they have conflicting opinions, instead of engaging in a public discussion about these opinions)"
9/11 didn't change diddly-squat.
Republicans are idiots.