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Panasonic Dual-LCD PC

FreeBSD-RockS writes: "Panasonic released a desktop PC called Panacom LC/W with two 15-inch (1024x768) LCD monitors arranged side by side. The LCD screens can be arranged so that they can be used either in a portrait or a landscape form. The new model will be put on sale on March 8 and the retail price through direct marketing is around $2000 USD."

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  1. Hmmm... by BoarderPhreak · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm thinking I'd rather see that available as a separate monitor, than as an integrated, all-in-one PC.

    After all, the PC will eventually (rapidly?) become obsolete... While the LCDs would be a hot piece of hardware for much longer.

    1. Re:Hmmm... by SComps · · Score: 1

      I tend to agree with that. Although I've never been a big fan of panasonic, this unit just plain looks cool! Too bad it couldn't be merely a 'monitor array' that could be connected to anything... I've been running out of room on my desktop lately anyhow... hmm.. a couple of these puppies tied together and I could get rid of that start bar all together! YAY!

    2. Re:Hmmm... by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      My 2 year old Sony Vaio 505 TX fits that model. Nice LCD back-lit display, 300MHz Pentium and what I'd condsider the worlds slowest system bus.

      While the site is already slashotted, I consider Laptop computers to be incredibly awkward already, having tried to use mine in a variety of locations (plane, sitting in truck (not driving), sitting in restaraunts, lying in bed or sleeping bag.)

      What I'd like to see is a laptop that can seperate the keyboard, main unit and monitor (have a little folding stand come out of the bottom maybe. So I could rest the keyboard in my lap, prop the monitor up somewhere (or hang it!) and find a convenient spot to set the main unit. I expect the keyboard could maintain contact with lowpower RF or infrared and have it's own battery. The display and main unit would still require some sort of umbilical cord for power and signal (particularly since monitors consume quite a bit of power themselves.)

      It's a thought anyway. Takers? BTW, since I've tossed this idea out anyone who tries to patent it better think very hard about sending me a few of these units for free or I'll dredge this posting up and be a general pain ;)

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    3. Re:Hmmm... by debiansierra · · Score: 1

      this has actually been done with much older portable computers (not called laptops then because they'd roast your nuts if you put them in your lap) the one i'm thinking about was called a lunchbox computer. the KB was slight;ly smaller version of a standard qwerty and the CPU was a separate box and so was the monitor. All these pieces snapped together ina rectangular cube with a handle on top, ala lunchbox. (albeit a 15lb lunchbox). the same concept could be applied today but that would require a major deviation from the current form factor which is pretty much one board with all components sitting on top of that board. The price of doing this includes designing the new form factor and marketing it because you'd really want to people to help recoup the fact that you changed your entire manufacturing process to revamp the way laptops look. it could be done, but not by me :)

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    4. Re:Hmmm... by jakobk · · Score: 1

      It's obvious. They just want you to buy a new LCD every time.

    5. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Sounds pretty much the iMac 2 by definition. A seperated keyboard/display environment, though you'd probably want to replace the keyboard/mouse with a combo. IBM do rather a nice compact version of their Trackpoint keyboard for a little over $140, and you can get an bluetooth USB repeater for about $60-70 from most big online retailers.

      Just about the only problem I can think of is powering the unit. Action Computer Supplies do quite a nice battery that utilises the powerback line of a standard PCMCIA slot, and I believe the iMac 2's airport card slot is exactly that. Expect to pay around $250 for a unit capable of around a three hour charge.

    6. Re:Hmmm... by CtrlPhreak · · Score: 2

      I hate to break it to you, but it only has a 766mhz celeron. It's already way outdated by even the most conservative standards.

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    7. Re:Hmmm... by UncleRoger · · Score: 3, Funny

      What I'd like to see is a laptop that can seperate the keyboard, main unit and monitor (have a little folding stand come out of the bottom maybe. So I could rest the keyboard in my lap, prop the monitor up somewhere (or hang it!) and find a convenient spot to set the main unit. I expect the keyboard could maintain contact with lowpower RF or infrared and have it's own battery.

      You have just described the Outbound Laptop almost perfectly. I don't know that anyone actually hung the monitor on the wall, but I don't see any reason why you couldn't. The Computer is built into the monitor, without adding much bulk.

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  2. Dual head. by saintlupus · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Dual monitors rock - I remember setting up a Power Mac 7100/80 like that back in the day. For the cost of one 17 inch monitor, I had 2 15 inchers doing extended desktop. Amazing how hard it is to go back to a single screen.

    Two thousand dollars does seem a bit steep, though. I wonder what other sorts of features are included? Hell, I could get a freshly discontinued G4 and two Apple 15 inch studio displays for that, and Apple kit is generally a bit higher in price than this sort of thing.

    --saint

    1. Re:Dual head. by saintlupus · · Score: 2

      Two thousand dollars does seem a bit steep, though. I wonder what other sorts of features are included?

      Oh, and before I'm told to RTFA, it's Slashdotted. Badly.

      Though I'm sure the display on the server is right purty.

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    2. Re:Dual head. by jgerman · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I have two monitors at work, one linux one Win2K, I do all my work in Linux, but read email, surf, other extra type things on the windows box with VNC switching the keyboard and mouse between them. It's easier to get things done at work because I can have an html reference up on one monitor while I actually work in terminals on the other. Very convenient. At home I usually have to switch between windows to do this.

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    3. Re:Dual head. by LoudMusic · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have two 19" flat CRT Trinitrons at home connected to a Matrox G450. I highly suggest this card (or the G550) because it comes with good software for possitioning popup windows correctly instead of splitting it in the middle of two displays. It's nice not wasting an addition PCI slot as well, and both monitors have equal hardware pushing video to them. It also makes the display appear as one monitor to Windows, where as having two video cards actually show up as multiple devices to Windows. This allows the Tasktray to span across both monitors, and my active desktop as well. With multiple video cards, you have a master desktop that is just like a single desktop, then all the rest are just additional space to move windows to. I guess it depends on your personal taste, but I like having the displays appear as one to Windows.

      My only word of caution: Having an odd number of displays is highly recommended as you won't have the border of two displays in the center of your vision. It's very distracting.

      Dell 19" Trinitron

      Matrox G450 (because it has dual VGA instead of dual DVI like the G550)

      Image of my 3200 x 1200 desktop (with GTPlanet active desktop (that I made))

      ~LoudMusic

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    4. Re:Dual head. by WorkingHome · · Score: 1


      As you stated, it's personal taste. I loved having Windows see both monitors separately. It allowed me to tell it the positioning of both monitors, so I could have fluid mouse movement between both screens. This isn't a big deal if you've got both monitors side by side, but for those of us without that much desktop space, it's nice to have a monitor arm off to the side and a little higher than the other monitor.

    5. Re:Dual head. by LoudMusic · · Score: 2

      Very good point. I actually have two identical monitors on a huge desk (cumberson at times ...) so I can situate them side by side. Your situation did cross my mind when I was getting into this whole endevor, but I decided that I could find a way to get the two monitors side by side no matter where I took them. It's also nice having one resolution setting for both monitors. It actually shows up as 3200 x 1200 in the Display Properties.

      Before this I was running a GeForce 256 and an ATI All-In-Wonder (PCI), with a 19" and a 17". It was very nice being able to set different resolutions and position the smaller monitor at any point along side the larger monitor. It allowed me to keep a [near] consistant 'pixel per inch' ratio across both displays.

      I'm glad you brought that up ...

      ~LoudMusic

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    6. Re:Dual head. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I got so used to my dual monitors at work that I had to have it at home too. So now I have a pair of NEC MultiSync FE700+ Flatscreen CRT monitors at home. Very nice. And u use two cards because I like deciding which i want my task bar on etc. Works very nice and easily on both Win2k and WinXp. I only wish I could get a monitor with 2 agp slots. Currently I use one AGP card and one PCI card since I already had a nice agp card before getting the second monitor & card.

    7. Re:Dual head. by Sarcazmo · · Score: 1

      I don't know what your definition of "studio display" is, but where I come from (digital prepress), a good monitor with true color and on the fly calibration is a minimum of $2500.

    8. Re:Dual head. by Datafage · · Score: 1

      Studio Display is a specific Apple product.

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    9. Re:Dual head. by Therin · · Score: 1

      I'm using a Matrox 400 DualHead, and it runs two independent monitors in Winblows 2000, and in Linux, it's very cool - I am typing right now in display :0.0, and beside it is :0.1 - all on one little card. Independent start bars in KDE, separate desktop icons, like two machines with one keyboard/mouse. This is using the Matrox supplied drivers for X 4.1 BTW.

      Highly recommended

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    10. Re:Dual head. by Bradee-oh! · · Score: 1

      That's funny. I have a G400 and the reason I love it is because it has proper Win2k driver support to seperate the monitors logically and NOT act as one big desktop, as other duelhead solutions do in Win2k. Like you said, though, personal taste :)

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    11. Re:Dual head. by Sarcazmo · · Score: 1

      OK... hehe. Makes more sense now.

    12. Re:Dual head. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, I forgot how ugly Win 2K is. And those quicklaunch icons...dear lord I'm about to throw up.

    13. Re:Dual head. by LoudMusic · · Score: 2

      Heh heh, a friend of mind has said the very same thing, "sure would be nice to have two AGP slots!" We were later informed that it's not physically possible with current motherboard specifications, but it wasn't explained in detail to me. Oh well.

      ~LoudMusic

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    14. Re:Dual head. by LoudMusic · · Score: 2

      I believe the G450 can seperate them as well, but when I saw that they could act as one I quickly clicked that option. For some reason it just works better for me - probably the way I organize myself on a computer - if that makes any sense ...

      ~LoudMusic

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    15. Re:Dual head. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 monitors on your desk != dual monitors

    16. Re:Dual head. by afidel · · Score: 1

      and both monitors have equal hardware pushing video to them

      Well, not exactly, at least not on the G450, not sure of the 550. The RAMDAC that pushes the second monitor is not quite as good as the first monitor. This affects several things, one being that at max res the second monitor doesn't have the same refresh rate, which can be annoying in a subliminal headache inducing sort of way as your mind tries to sync the images and fails. It also affects the color accuracy of the second monitor to a small extent, we had one graphics person here who just couldn't stand the subtle color difference between the two screens.

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    17. Re:Dual head. by soulcuttr · · Score: 1

      I've been very happy with my Leadtek WinFast GeForce 2 MX DH Pro 32MB personally. I've set computers up both ways -- with a single dual head card, and with two separate video cards, and let me just say that it is SO much nicer to do it with a single Dual Head card. It works either way, but at least with the Leadtek card it comes with plenty of extra stuff that makes controlling your two displays a cinch.

      Does anybody know if there are any GeForce3-based Dual Head cards out there? Or if any are in the works?

      -Sou|cuttr

    18. Re:Dual head. by nomadic · · Score: 2

      Wish they would just start caching the damn sites. The excuses given in the FAQ are unconvincing at best; google caches just about everything, and I haven't heard of people complaining to them over loss of banner ad revenue. Maybe it's because they don't want to take the effort of doing it; these are editors who won't spell/grammar-check a few lines they post maybe once a day.

    19. Re:Dual head. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this 'redundant'?
      Moderators need to get a frickin' clue.

    20. Re:Dual head. by soulcuttr · · Score: 1
      Here's a link to the manufacturer's site for the video card I was speaking of (should've thought to include this originally). In fact, while I'm here I guess I have a few Dual Head video card links to share, so pick and choose what you will.

    21. Re:Dual head. by jgerman · · Score: 2

      Same difference, one keyboard, one mouse, two monitors, cases.

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    22. Re:Dual head. by LoudMusic · · Score: 2

      Ah yes, one gets a little slower RAMDAC, but I think the refresh rate comes out the same. You're right about the color issue, though. One is a slight blue and the other comes out a bit red. VERY ANNOYING and I'm just your average geek. I do, however, work at an advertising agency ... maybe their desire for the finer visuals has started rubbing off on me. (:

      ~LoudMusic

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  3. slashdotted? by brodiedreamyou.ca · · Score: 1

    anyone have a copy of the text? i couldnt find the page on google's cache

  4. Stereo Vision by IMarvinTPA · · Score: 0

    Cool!
    Now, if only I could separate or cross my eyes just right, I could use these for 3D vision for about 2k less than that other 15" screen...

    1. Re:Stereo Vision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, you could accomplish that with a mirror box of some sort. There are a couple of people out there who sell such things, though I forget the names offhand. Been comtemplating setting that up myself one of these days. Shutterglasses are cool, but they just aren't clean enough for quality stereo.

      What you'd lose with a mirror-box setup is viewing angle... they tend to work only if your head is in exactly the right place. But when it works, it's gorgeous.

    2. Re:Stereo Vision by IMarvinTPA · · Score: 1

      I wish I were home, then I'd have a link for a good stereo news site.
      Anyway,
      For LCD displays, LCD shutter glasses don't usually work. If you're lucky, your glasses don't polarize with the display. If this happens, the Glasses's LCD panels can be on or off and make no picture with the LCD display. I checked some glasses I have and I didn't have that problem.
      The other problem is that the LCD display doesn't change fast enough for the glasses to hide the picture properly and you just end up with lots of flickering with no 3D effect.

      I may have to try the mirror box thing though, but maybe I'll just get a regular monitor if I get really worried about it.

      The display that I'm really thinking about doesn't require anything except the display itself. I think it was on Slashdot a while back. It has two displays built into one (overlapping) and due to some tricks in the angles, it creates 3D. I think it's the digital equivelent of those triangle pictures. The ones where from one angle you see the company's logo and the other you see the pretty woman selling something.

  5. Cute, but... by BoarderPhreak · · Score: 2
    Why not just a normal PC, and a larger LCD? This way you won't have to mess with rotating LCDs screens which are surely more sensitive to wear and tear and increased complexity. Then there's the issue of drivers, etc. for those screens...

    Not to mention that the PC that's at the heart of that system will become obsolete long before the LCDs will.

    1. Re:Cute, but... by mberman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because larger LCDs increase cost exponentially. With two 17" displays, you get exactly twice the screen real estate for exactly twice the price. With one 18" or 19", you get a tiny amount more space (less than an inch or two, respectively, along each side), for...about twice the price. Dual-head video cards/drivers are pretty much a solved problem, so there's not really any "issue", and rotating LCDs is pretty damn easy, much easier than rotating CRTs, which have been around for many, many years. So, basically, you're getting a huge amount of display space for no emotional cost, and far less monetary cost than buying one enormous screen.

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  6. cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cool

  7. WooHoo!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now when I pull up pr0n on my computer, I can have 1 15" breast in each window!

  8. Another good use... by DickPhallus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey, with one of these, I could read /. at -1 again, and not worry about the page widening posts!

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    1. Re:Another good use... by TotallyUseless · · Score: 1

      thank you thank you thank you thank you. i was wondering why the hell slashdot stories insisted on rendering a 5 foot wide page!

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  9. dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    already?

  10. Wide posts by jargoone · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can think of only about 5 ways Taco could fix those damn page-widening posts.
    He hasn't done a single one yet.
    I love trolls as much as the next guy, but this ruins it and makes me browse at 0.
    Fight back!
    Manual page breaks in all posts, now!

    1. Re:Wide posts by mosch · · Score: 1
      Yes he has, if you try to post a long string of characters you get the error:

      Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
      Reason: That's an awful long string of letters there.

      It used to just insert a space after N characters (40 some, I think), now it doesn't even allow the post. Makes for good fun if you try to share a website that uses all 63 characters in it's domain name.

  11. Wow by addaon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That was a fast slashdotting. Anyway, I've had an idea like this for a while, although I imagine my desired monitor layout is kinda different. Years ago, I used to use a standard two-fold wallet; small, convenient, and good enough. Then, when I started getting too much junk for it, I switched to a trifold; even smaller cross section, though thicker; room for more cards; and just more convenient.

    Basically, what I want is a trifold laptop. Currently, laptop size is limitted by screensize. (See the picturebook or libretto for proof.) With a trifold, you could have a laptop the size of the picturebook (2.2 lbs, 1024x480 screen) with /two/ screens that unfold, one on top of the other, giving you effectively 1024x960. Now, there would be no way to conceal the joint between the screens; this would be two monitors, not one large one that fold. But even so, it seems like a beautiful idea.

    Adam

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    1. Re:Wow by L-Wave · · Score: 2

      With the sheer weight of a laptop like that, you wouldn't be able to use it as a carry-on on an airplane ;P nevermind when the joints get loose and one screen collapses and smashes into the screen below it lol =)

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    2. Re:Wow by addaon · · Score: 1

      My picturebook, which is a perfect size other than the small monitor, weighs 2.2 lbs. The split (I have the monitor off right now for repairs, using a postal scale) is 1.4lbs body/0.8 lbs screen. So two screens, plus some attaching hinges, plus an extra battery, would weigh 1.4+0.8+0.8+0.2+0.6 = 3.8lbs... certainly not outrageous.

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    3. Re:Wow by Spyky · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately you are adding two more layers of "case" material by making a tri-fold laptop. It will add another several mm to the thickness of the folded laptop. In addition to that you are adding another hinge, which are prone to breaking on current laptops.

      Its a nice idea, but I'm going to keep waiting for the PC on a single sheet of plastic that I can just roll-up and go :-)

      -Spyky

  12. Yay! by Mupp252 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Hooray for the slashdot effect!

  13. LCDs aren't there yet by BoarderPhreak · · Score: 2
    What if you're in the graphic arts, say, retouching photos? LCDs are getting close, but still don't really have the wide gamut that CRTs do. As such, LCD-based systems aren't really appropriate for these kinds of users.

    Of course, there are higher-end LCDs out these days like the Apple Cinema Display that come ever closer to surpassing CRTs on this front. The other features certainly are no comparison!

    1. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by Matey-O · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tell that to the Mac community, which I'm pretty sure is the largest group of 'Photo Retouchers'.

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    2. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by BoarderPhreak · · Score: 4, Informative
      I'm one of the Mac community!

      Apple's LCDs are among the best available, but for critical work, even they are not always good enough.

      While the gap is closing, LCDs simply lack the wide color gamut of CRTs. Of course, all the other benefits of LCDs vs. CRTs apply.

      Digital photographers are a very picky bunch, and most still prefer CRTs. I use my Mac for exactly this, and I'm using a CRT myself. I'll more than likely get an LCD soon enough, but I won't be tossing my CRT out just yet, either.

    3. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by LoudMusic · · Score: 2

      I'm glad there are people like you still around.

      A) I don't think that guy even read your first comment ... heh heh.

      B) What kind of CRT are you using on your Mac? I purchased a whole slew of Sony G500s for my Agency's G4 workstations. They eat up a bunch of desk space, but the color, resolution, refreshrate, and expense are far and away better than any pannel I've ever seen.

      ~LoudMusic

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    4. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by MouseR · · Score: 2

      Anyone who color-corrects using the screen isn't worth their salaries.

      A good scanner operator (I'm talking drum scanners) or good touch-up artists ('coz that's what they are: artists) never uses the screen, be it CRT or LCD or even those 20k$ Barco screens, to judge their colors.

      There are simply too many factors that will affect the perceived colors (all the way through caffeine intake).

      Descent color correction relies on color densities, and white point adjustment (*never* have less than 5% black on a white point, or run the risks of quarter-tone blank-outs).

    5. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by BoarderPhreak · · Score: 2

      For this reason the Mac uses, for example, "ColorSync" to match input to display to output... Also why you use color calibration hardware - to ensure that on any given medium, your colors are identical.

    6. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by BoarderPhreak · · Score: 2
      I'm not using an ideal monitor at the moment, but it's the best I have. I'm looking for a replacement, actually. It's a Sun Microsystems 21" (current model) monitor, which uses a Sony Trinitron tube as it basically IS a Sony monitor, re-badged.

      The problem is that as a secondary input, the Mac signal is really hosed somewhere - there's ghosting on the monitor. I've tried multiple cables, including gold-plated and shielded and nothing helps. Careful tuning of the monitor doesn't help much either. The only thing that I've noticed is that the lower the resolution and refresh, the better the image is. I'm thinking that this Sun monitor might not quite be the same as it's Sony counterpart (which is definately Mac friendly) as far as specifications and signal handling might go.

      As it is, I'm limited to 1280x1024 as at 1600x1200 I'd go blind. The Sun works great on the same monitor ar 1600x1280. Notice the not-so-same resolution ratios... Therein, somewhere, I think - lies the problem.

    7. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by MouseR · · Score: 2

      Nope.

      ColorSync is there for home users.

      Talk about ColorSync to any pro (and I do mean pro, not corner shop) printer and you'll get laughed at.

      Color matching is best done using Pantone (PMS) tables, and PMS books are useless after 9-12 months, because of paper degradation.

      You can't win this one. I've worked 10 years in the pre-press industry, writing tools for this highly demanding field. I know first hand how things work, and they don't work with ColorSync.

    8. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by MouseR · · Score: 2

      Color matching is best done using Pantone (PMS) tables, and PMS books are useless after 9-12 months, because of paper degradation.

      I should have pointed out that PMS color matching is for matching generic colors (like in drawings and page layout flat items, either for spot-color printing or process or hexachrome color seperations).

      For photo touch-ups, they generally use color densities (CMYK).

    9. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by Pope · · Score: 1
      I use and recommend highly LaCie's electron blue line, 19" and 22" CRTs.

      Also feature USB hubs built in, and an optional colour calibration unit that plugs into the handy USB plug on the front bottom left corner. See 'em in person, they rock!
      3 Year warranty, and dual inputs too.

      A friend of mine has a PC and a G4 hooked up to a single 22" and controls them both through the same mouse and keyboard, switching between them with the A/B switch.

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    10. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by LoudMusic · · Score: 2

      You know, the monitor might just be bad. Have you tried it on other computers? I've seen this before and it turned out there was a problem with the power system in the monitor.

      If your monitor is the flat CRT Trinitron, then it's the one a bunch of people are using. Dell, HP, Compaq, Sun, SGI ... everyone uses it because it's so amazing. I've got two of the 19" version (Dell branded) of the same thing. I didn't have the desk space nore the funding for such a beast, but they sure are nice (:

      ~LoudMusic

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    11. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by BoarderPhreak · · Score: 2
      I haven't tried another machine on the secondary input yet (such as a PC or laptop) and the primary input which is on the Sun works perfectly?

      I suppose the second input might be hosed somehow, though. This monitor really *should* be able to handle the Mac signals quite readily.

    12. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by LoudMusic · · Score: 2

      Well, I'm a bit nit-picky on wording, and I assume things I probably shouldn't - so don't hessitate to call me arogant. I think you might have bad information regarding the video signal.

      There is no such thing as a "Mac signal". VGA is VGA is VGA ... it doesn't matter what computer the signal is coming from, as long as the signal is standard, non-interupted, and the hardware isn't malfunctioning. If it's a newer Mac (good ole clear plastic model), it will conform to the standard with no problems. I highly suggest checking the monitor first, then getting a different monitor to test the output of the Mac. One of them is malfunctioning because your setup is 'ideal' ... by my standards (:

      ~LoudMusic

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    13. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by vought · · Score: 2

      "ColorSync is there for home users.

      Talk about ColorSync to any pro (and I do mean pro, not corner shop) printer and you'll get laughed at.
      "

      Pros like Joseph Holmes, Richard Seiling, Galen Rowell and shops like Pictopia?

      Granted, I'm talking about RGB->RGB workflow, but ColorSync works just as well going to CMYK. What would you rather do - waste time tweaking stuff ny hand (Eye)? Have fun, but I'll make sure to avoid your shop - I tend to like repeatable results from my printer.

    14. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 2

      interesting problem. I use a Sony G400, which is a 19" FD trinitron, which I run at 1280x960x75 from the Radeon in my G4. When I first installed this monitor, I was required by the manual to fit a tiny "Mac Adaptor" (looks like a slim gender bender, but isn't) that came with the monitor, despite never having to do that before for any other VGA / Mac combination and with no explanation from Sony. Incidentally, the "recommended" setting for my monitor is 1280x1024x85 which doesn't fit the 4:3 aspect screen at all. Anyone able to explain this? I just don't get it at all. I use a Sony F500R on my G4 at work which runs at a breathtaking 1600x1200x100. And it was HALF the price of an 18" LCD when I bought it. Nice.

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    15. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by MaxVlast · · Score: 2

      I've done some fairly high-end prepress, and have run into my share of color matching issues.

      While what you say is correct, as an on-screen artist, I sure as heck need faithful color on my screen. And that's why I'll put effort onto screen-based color matching.

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    16. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 2

      some of Colorsync's profile conversion tools CAN be useful, but software colur calibration is a complete no-go I'm afraid. In TV/film work, we always make sure that it's turned off. If you're gonna calibrate your screen, it better be done properly by feeding a known signal from a TPG in and sampling the faceplate IN THE CORRECT AMBIENT LIGHT CONDITIONS ONLY. Grade 1 video monitors are adjusted like this, and on a weekly basis in our facility. They are also never allowed to be turned off and always correctly illuminated.

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    17. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by BoarderPhreak · · Score: 2
      Yeah, my bad on the wording. :-D

      You're right, the "signal" is universal in that it's either VGA or some other VESA standard, etc.

      I'm talking more about the Mac's output matching the monitor's capabilities. For example, on the Sun at 1600x1280 the monitor is fine, but on the Mac at 1600x1200 it is not. I'm thinking the aspect ratio or resolution here is the issue...

      But on either machine at 1280x1024, the problem is still there, so that can't be the problem. I'm beginning to think you're right that the monitor or the Mac is b0rked, and I'll have to attach another monitor to test this. Of course, the other monitor I have tops out at 1280x1024 and that does NOT ghost, lending to the flaky monitor theory.

    18. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by BoarderPhreak · · Score: 2
      Yeah, I'm kinda diggin' these monitors myself! The specs are very respectable, not to mention a pretty neat shade of blue. :)

      I really want the Apple Cinema Display, but the aforementioned gamut issue, the cost and the fact that it's essentially Mac-only without adapters, etc. all count against it.

    19. Re:LCDs aren't there yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had the same problem with my Iiyama 21". I narrowed the problem down to 1) cable length (shorter is better) and 2) lack of ferrite shields ( those "pig in the python" cylindrical things at each end of the cable) .

      If you get a shielded cable less than 6 feet long with big beefy ferrites at both ends, you'll banish those ghosts forever.

  14. Not for planes by FreeLinux · · Score: 1

    It'll be tough, if not impossible, to use this on an airplane but, damn I like it.

    I'mm still eagerly waiting for my mylar film LCD (ePaper), where I can roll up a 20"+ touch screen and put it in my briefcase or where ever.

  15. Dual screens by crumbz · · Score: 1

    Dual screens are good, but I would much rather have a single 22" or greater LCD than multi-ple smaller ones. I find the seperate screen borders distracting. As a matter of fact, I am still awaiting a 54" LCD true desktop that I can write on and use as a true visible workspace.

    But the Panasonic is a step in the right direction. The more screen space the better!

    1. Re:Dual screens by frunch · · Score: 1

      But sometimes that distracting border between the two is REALLY useful.

      OK, not for playing Quake... I think I'd like to see the center of my field of vision, thank you very much.But for graphic artists dual monitors is a godsend. Imagine having all your tools / palletes on one screen, and the second screen clear of all clutter so you can work on your video or graphics easily. In a case like that, it'd be really nice to have all the tools separated out onto a separate workspace

    2. Re:Dual screens by schmoli · · Score: 1

      I'd love to see the pics of this but it's been /.'d, anyone mirror the images?

    3. Re:Dual screens by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 2

      I have two 17" monitors hooked up to my pc. One is running of the built in video and the other off a graphics card. It's a great setup, especially if you're doing work in one and in the other you have your chat, email, winamp.

      I prefer a bunch of smaller screens, because then I can arrange them to all face me. A 54" screen would be difficult to use- the left and right edges would be a good foot or more away from your eyes than the center of the screen. Your eyes would have to refocus when you moved around the screen.

      Now, a flexible 54" screen might work, one that is slightly curved so all points are equidistance from your eyes.

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    4. Re:Dual screens by MoneyT · · Score: 1

      There was a very kick @$$ screen that I saw at one point in the "Drool Worthy" section of my Macaddict (don't have alink for it though).

      Basicaly it was 3 17inch LCD screens positioned in such a way that you had one facing directly in front of you, and the one on each side, agled inward so that you need only turn your head slightly. I thought it was very cool and would make much more sense to me than this dual 15 inch setup for this computer

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    5. Re:Dual screens by MaxVlast · · Score: 2

      Exactamundo. I haven't had a one-screen system (save my PowerBook) for many years now. My NeXT had three monitors (central screen, palette/file browser screen, terminal screen.) My G4 has two (primary, large screen and secondary, palette, old Apple monitor screen.) It's just not the same. With two screens, I can relegate things to the other screen and just know that they're there for me when I need them. One large screen has nothing goin' on two. Even if I did get that great big one you're talking about, I'd probably still put another video card in my Mac to hold all of the annoying things that clutter up the primary monitor.

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  16. Re:Why can geeks be so unhealthy? by Afrosheen · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Maybe he should be called CowboyMeal.

  17. yo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hello

  18. /.'ed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this page has been /.'ed... damn!@

    oh well... am I first??

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  19. Laptop size limitations by Rupert · · Score: 2

    Actually, screen size is not that important. If the resolution is there, you can always just sit closer.

    What bugs me about sub-notebooks is the keyboard size. If that could trifold, but still be rigid enough for me to do my normal pounding on, then you'd have something.

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    1. Re:Laptop size limitations by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      How about those new non-keyboards? The ones where you just strap it over your tarsals and type away without having to worry about touching an actual keyboard? I think that combined with the fold-up screen here would be a killer machine... Oooh, especially with those HP pinhead processors...

    2. Re:Laptop size limitations by addaon · · Score: 2

      "Actually, screen size is not that important. If the resolution is there, you can always just sit closer."

      I said that myself, when buying a picturebook. Admittedly, it's a great short-term solution. But the simple fact is that sitting too close to a monitor wears your eyes out faster; you get more tired reading characters .2" high than ones .4" high. High resolution small screens are great... but only for stuff like OSX, with resolution-independent graphics. And even then, they're still small screens.

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    3. Re:Laptop size limitations by aminorex · · Score: 1

      SXGA means 1280x1024. To recap:

      QVGA/CGA 320x240
      VGA 640x480
      SVGA 800x600
      XGA 1024x768
      SXGA 1280x1024
      SXGA+ 1400x1200
      UXGA 1600x1200 (all my lap and desk systems run UXGA)
      VXGA 1920x1440
      DXGA 2048x1536

      or thereabouts.

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    4. Re:Laptop size limitations by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Ok, VGA and SVGA made sense, past then its really all open ended. So why do we need a name for every common resultion, because personally 2048x1536 tells me more than I'll ever get out of DXGA.

    5. Re:Laptop size limitations by afidel · · Score: 1

      Solution: IBM "butterfly" keyboard from a few years ago.

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    6. Re:Laptop size limitations by BigBir3d · · Score: 1

      [devil's advocate]
      2048x1536 what? pixels? define a pixel. how "big" is a pixel?
      [/devil's advocate]

      To promote standards, they must have a name. That way, some governing body can "verify" that your DXGA is a true DXGA.

    7. Re:Laptop size limitations by MaxVlast · · Score: 1

      That's the dumbest thing I've heard all day. The named resolutions have the same problem that you point out, except that they obscure _all_ potentially useful information, instead of leaving some behind to allow people who are sensible to get on with life while the only-gratified-by-picking-apart-the-minutae-of-oth ers get off.

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    8. Re:Laptop size limitations by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 2

      are you an idiot savant, or just an idiot? Your post makes no sense whatever. DXGA is NOT a standard. DDC is...

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    9. Re:Laptop size limitations by BigBir3d · · Score: 1

      i guess you are too damn dumb to realize i was quoting the post i was replying too...

      idiot.

    10. Re:Laptop size limitations by FFFish · · Score: 2

      You mean like the old IBM ThinkPad keyboard, which had this nifty expanding mechanism. Folded, the keyboard "broke" in half along the 5TGB/6YHN keys, with the right-hand section sliding up and to the left (so that, were you to rip the LCD off, it'd look like a QWERTH or QWERTN keyboard.)

      Opened, the moveable halves slide outward and together, creating a full-width keyboard, in a laptop that was less than a full keyboard width wide when folded. Very cool!

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    11. Re:Laptop size limitations by FFFish · · Score: 2

      IBM has some 200dpi LCDs. If those puppies were ever brought to an affordable price, and if ClearType were used, I think you'd find it nearly as readable as old-style (300dpi) laser printouts. IOW, just fine.

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  20. more screen for me... by cholokoy · · Score: 1

    Now there will be more screen area to show the blue screen of death...

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    1. Re:more screen for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually bsod ignores the 2ndary display, leaving it blank

    2. Re:more screen for me... by Doppler00 · · Score: 1

      Actually, it would only appear on the primary monitor, with your locked up application appear on the other one. I actually have never seen a blue screen on my Windows 2000 machine though. Hmm... can't wait to see how fun that will be!

  21. Dual displays by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2
    I once shared an office with Jim Gettys who declared that he had to have dual monitors on his desk because he was the guy 'who wrote the silly code to do it' [in X-Windows].

    Since then I have been looking for an excuse for a second display. Until recently however the thought of paying for dual 18" LCD displays was just too much and now the model I have is no longer made so if I bought a second one it would not match. Like what is the point in having kewl stuff if it looks crappie? Also the demise of 3DFX means that I would also have to get a new PCI monitor card to drive the thing.

    I agree with the other posters about not really wanting my PC built into my display. My computer system lives out of sight about 5 ft from my desk and is connected to the desk by 2 cables, the monitor cable and the USB cable. I have a USB keyboard, mouse and CDROM drive on the desk

    Idealy I would move the computer into another room altogether 'cos the fan is pretty loud.

    I think that before I start spending more money on decorating the office that the NASDAQ needs to go up above 3000 or so.

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  22. And this is new because.... by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

    I don't get it... What's new about this? Dual-monitor stuff has been around for a while.

    I don't think the fact that it's 2 LCDs is anything special. What did I miss?

    1. Re:And this is new because.... by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      it's that it's the x86's poster boy for the "iMac" killer....or that's as near as I can tell. It's got most of the cool factor (not one, but TWO LCD displays) of the iMac, but falls short as it's not a mac.

      the other thing is that this is an integrated soultion, somthing you don't see in today's do-it-yourselfer beige boxxing.

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  23. Pixel Perfect.. by LordOfYourPants · · Score: 1

    LCD manufacturing quality is "bad" enough with people treating pixel-perfect LCDs as holy idols.

    It seems like a risky undertaking to release a model such as this when probabilities say that you double the # of exchanges per customer if you double the number of LCDs a customer buys.

    I'd be interested in finding out what their "modified" standards are for a faulty LCD with this new model.

  24. Two monitors verse multiple desktops by Marx_Mrvelous · · Score: 2

    I don't see the big push MS has for multiple monitors. No home user would want the expense in dollars or desk space, electricity of having two monitors.
    Multiple desktops, or oversized desktops ala ATI's old video drivers (before MS WHQL removed the ability) is a much, much better solution.

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    1. Re:Two monitors verse multiple desktops by NerveGas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, I think that they might, if even a tiny fraction of home users were even aware that they could use two monitors!

      Multiple desktops are nice, but they simply are not a substitute for seeing two seperate apps simultaneously. Rather than switching desktops to look at your "other" app, then switch back to the first, you just look at the other monitor, then back. It's a terrific thing.

      The one area that they don't make a lot of sense in (yet) is gaming. Those who are in it for the gaming should just save for the 21" monitor.

      (I have a 21" at home, and 2x17" at work. Each has it's benefits and drawbacks. The only way for me to choose the "best" of the two would be to buy 2x21".)

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    2. Re:Two monitors verse multiple desktops by Altus · · Score: 1

      or, better yet... 1 21 as your primary and 2 17" as secondarys on either side.

      Ive always wanted a flight sim (hell, it'd be cool in quake or unreal) that could take advantage of this kind of set up and left and right views up for you so instead of hitting a button to look you could just turn your head

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    3. Re:Two monitors verse multiple desktops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Ive always wanted a flight sim (hell, it'd be cool in quake or unreal) that could take advantage of this kind of set up and left and right views up for you so instead of hitting a button to look you could just turn your head"

      its called microsoft flightsim 98, 2000, ro 2002 are all capable of this. just undock the part of the flightsim you want to move & drag it over to the other display.

      im using a 21 for primary, & a 17 for 2ndary. if you have decent PCI video cards for the 2nd & 3rd & 4th displays you could certainly set them up with right & left views without taking a hit in fps, & they do still make PCI 3d cards.

    4. Re:Two monitors verse multiple desktops by MaxVlast · · Score: 1

      Or you could be completely wrong. How can you say "no home user"? I know plenty. (Myself included)

      And those god-awful desktop scrolling systems are a complete nightmare. I physically wretch when I have to even think about using them.

      Multiple desktops are hardly a solution for multiple, real desktops.

      You're just wrong. Sorry.

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    5. Re:Two monitors verse multiple desktops by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      I've done the three-monitor thing in Graphic Simulations F/A 18 Hornet for YEARS on the Mac. No idea if it works under Windows or not.

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  25. Love multi-monitor by mmaddox · · Score: 2

    Although I can't see this link (thanks /.), I have to say "bravo!" More people should be exposed to the wonders of multi-monitor setups. As a developer/author, I have found the added real estate of multiple monitors more than outweighs the benefits of huge monitors. Thus, I buy cheaper 19 and 17 inch CRTs and have WAY more space to work and play. Good for Panasonic!

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    1. Re:Love multi-monitor by bnenning · · Score: 2
      Agree 100%. I've got a 15" LCD and 17" CRT at home, both at 1024x768. At work I have my TiBook driving its LCD (1152x768) and a 19" CRT at 1152x870. I've become sufficiently spoiled that any single display system feels confining, no matter how big it is.


      Once again, the rest of the industry is figuring out that Apple had the right idea over 10 years ago...

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  26. and....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hasn't this been avail for XWindows like forever.
    Even Win98 forward has supported this.

    Seems like a very overpriced box to me.

  27. where do you keep your ketchup? by GrendelT · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Where do you keep your ketchup?

  28. /.'d already.. by rastachops · · Score: 1

    Looks like its been /.'d. Would be good for designers but I cant see it taking off with Gamers.

  29. I would still prefer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still would prefer a single, larger LCD panel, say 1600x1200 (or better yet, something even bigger that could display 1920x1080 HDTV). Two 1024x768 panels still have fewer pixels than even a single 1600x1200.

    1. Re:I would still prefer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      isn't HDTV 1080i x 720?

    2. Re:I would still prefer... by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      nope, it's 1920x1080. ATSC covers many picture dimensions and frame rates, but HD is 1920x1080 alright.

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  30. Re:This page is too short by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

    That is so lame! At least use pi or e or something!!!

    Always remember - the integral of e to the x equals e to the x plus c.

    Write it out if you don't get it.

  31. Video games? by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Unfortunately the server is already /.'d for me, so I don't know if my question would be answered in the press release.

    One of the most interesting reasons for setting up dual displays for me would be for gaming... more FOV. With most systems, however, only one 3d card is used to display the game, while the other stays on the desktop. Would it be up to game designers to add a feature that would allow both screens to be used for displaying the game, or is that at the window manager level?

    Furthermore, what would be the best way to handle this for FPS (and most non-FPS games actually) where the main action is in the center of the screen? Your crosshair would fall on the break between the LCDs. :/ Maybe use one display for FOV stuff and the other for displaying weapon, health, ammo, map, etc?

    Any insight would be appreciated. :)

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    1. Re:Video games? by merz · · Score: 4, Informative

      You might want to check out this site. Quintuple-head anyone?

    2. Re:Video games? by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 1

      That's awesome. Even better is the logo they have for the site. :) Unfortunately you can see my dilemma where they're using two monitors for Q3A on linux... the crosshair/weapon lies in between the monitors somewhere. :(

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    3. Re:Video games? by merz · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but thats kind of a handicap for having such a big FOV, right? =] Anyway, I know there has been games that use one monitor as the primary display, and the other to display alternate views or status info. Microsofts Combat Flight Sim did this, and there have to be others out there too.

    4. Re:Video games? by good-n-nappy · · Score: 1

      Check out these pictures. This was published at the User Interface Software and Technology (UIST 2001) conference last year. It's a way to combine two monitors without the border problem you're talking about. Not really practical at the moment but maybe if a company made custom hardware like this Panasonic dual head. Anyway, I think they've got unreal tournament in one set of pictures about halfway down the page.

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    5. Re:Video games? by Altus · · Score: 1

      That RULES!

      man Im gonna have to try that sometime... I need some more monitors though

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    6. Re:Video games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yea, every version of msfs (which is what combatfs is based on) since version 98 has supported this.

      basically any game that can be run IN a window & not fullscreen is capable of using multi-display, you just hafta resize. unfortunately almost all games MUST run full-screen for some strange reason.

      i have found it useful to bring up webpage with all the cheats and/or keyboard shortcuts on the 2nd display while im playing on the 1st.

    7. Re:Video games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3D cards generally can only do either 3D or 2D at once, not both at the same time. If you try doing, say, UT in a window, you get nice slow software rendering, because of the 2D window and desktop. Apparently hardware-accelerated-3D-in-a-window is either too difficult or not worth the effort for consumer level cards.

    8. Re:Video games? by zeno_2 · · Score: 1

      You can also take a few machines, hook them all up together in a network, and have each one be a seperate display for FS2000.

      http://wideview.00server.com/

      Pretty amazing actually, I have talked to people who have up to 6 or so pc's linked together all playing the same simulator. There were monitors for the instrument panels, left/right/forward views, it was quite the sight =).

  32. YAARO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Yet Another Apple RipOff by a PeeCee Company.

    Innovation ... yeah, right.

  33. Re:Why can geeks be so unhealthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's something that I found a bit ago, I just started this a couple of days ago too. It's not based on an idea of weightloss, but actually on how the body works.

    Don Lemmon's Know How

  34. For sale by owner by nsample · · Score: 4, Offtopic

    I currently run two monitors, side by side, in a similar configuatrion. I bought a PCI Voodoo3 at a local Fry's for abour $25, and a second monitor. Beats the heck out of spending $2k for a new box with features I don't want. But, I'll gladly sell it to you for $2k.

    So, seriously, tell me again why a computer with two monitors is worthy of being a /. story?

    1. Re:For sale by owner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      because theyre LCD monitors & everybody knows that LCD monitors are 133t. especially when theyre permanantly attached to a proprietary computer.

    2. Re:For sale by owner by karnal · · Score: 1

      Is there any benefit to using a card that can actually do 3d accelleration to be a second monitor device? I've toyed with using an old S3 card and it seems to work pretty well, but I can't see buying an accellerated card if I'm not going to use the power behind it....

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  35. picture by t0ph3rus · · Score: 1

    I searched for it and found a bunch of Japaneese sites. I don't think that this thing is very new judging by the amount of sites. Unfortunately I can't read Japaneese :( http://db.ascii24.com/db/review/pc/allinone/2001/0 1/06/621648-000.html

    1. Re:picture by t0ph3rus · · Score: 1
  36. Old news. Havn't you people seen a Bloomberg? by inaneboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you've been to a financial firm you see 2 and 4 monitor getups all day long. I use one from 9-5 every day.

    Consider the total real estate available to me. I have an 18" LCD with a total area of about 168 square inches (usable). Plus a pair of 14" LCDs for nearly 200 square inches. The point being, for a large spreadsheet the 18" is clearly superior. If however, you need to watch two things at once (2 web pages or 2 spreadsheets or 1 and 1 whatever) the two smaller screens are FAR superior. It all depends what you're using the screens for.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/corp/profservice/profes si onal.html

  37. I wish... by JMZero · · Score: 1

    ...that this was produced by Apple, so that it would be a must-have life changer instead of a boring system with two monitors.

    .

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  38. In Japanese? by LoudMusic · · Score: 2

    Well, thanks to the hoards of slashdotters, the english site is down and out.

    http://www.sense.panasonic.co.jp/shop/ncpo/catlo g/ pc/cf-81/cf-81.jsp

    Anyone read Japanese?

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    1. Re:In Japanese? by BluEyeZ · · Score: 1

      I couldn't get that link to work... but here's another Kanji page with pics...

      http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/column/stapa/2001/05/01 /

    2. Re:In Japanese? by LoudMusic · · Score: 2

      Hey cool, a review page. Still need a Japanese to English translater though (:

      I figured out the problem, somehow there was a space in the address.

      http://www.sense.panasonic.co.jp/shop/ncpo/catlo g/ pc/cf-81/cf-81.jsp

      Someone else posted it and got modded to 5 already. I guess mine will wither away into nothing ness ...

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    3. Re:In Japanese? by SoftwareJuggler · · Score: 1

      Can't read japanese but there is cool picture at
      http://www.panasonic.co.jp/pc/prod/dt/82/img/top _i mg/cf82.gif

      which is off of its main product page at
      http://www.panasonic.co.jp/pc/prod/dt/82/index.h tm l

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    4. Re:In Japanese? by BluEyeZ · · Score: 1

      Your's seems to have the space too. Thanks for the info tho, those pics are better than the ones I found. Plus, they have the added benefit of being on Panasonic's web site.

    5. Re:In Japanese? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Only about 180 million people (natively).

  39. Pics available on Panasonic.co.jp by Cy+Guy · · Score: 5, Informative

    The link in the story was already slashdotted so I found some pics on Panasonic's Japanese homepage

    I like the pic at the bottom of the page showing how you can flip one screen around facing away from you so that two people sitting at a table facing each other both get a screen.

    With a multi-tasking OS, one user could use the mouse and the other the keyboard and work on seperate tasks.

    1. Re:Pics available on Panasonic.co.jp by t0ph3rus · · Score: 1

      One person use the mouse and the other use the keyboard. That is a new spin on Extreme Progaming :) I think I would just get pissed. I really don't see how that could be that useful. However, It might be cool if you could set it up with two keyboards and two mice. And set the OS up so that you could have two users logged in at the terminal concurrently.

    2. Re:Pics available on Panasonic.co.jp by mbroggy · · Score: 1

      Umm, what OS are *you* using? ;)

      Just try using the mouse and keyboard separately...either one will focus as soon as you do something like click or type. I believe that goes for any OS in use these days if used in that way.

      There used to be a PCI card for Windows that allowed you to hook up a second mouse, keyboard and monitor and basically have a two-user windows box...though the utility of it escapes me. (Considering that we don't see that more often, I'm guessing it didn't catch on at all.)

      Given how (relatively) cheap computers can be, these days, I see no reason to even try to trick the computer into letting one person use a mouse and one person use the keyboard, each on a different screen.

      As it is, though, it won't work as previously suggested.

    3. Re:Pics available on Panasonic.co.jp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of Dual head thingys...
      Sgi has a really nifty thing that can let 2 people use an Octane concurrently.

      Unless one person is enough a user to take the whole system, it can save a whole helluva lot by replacing the need for another one.

      I currently don't know of any PC OS that can do this (at all) quite as slick as SGI.

  40. picture (sorta) by Triv · · Score: 1
  41. Sounds fun. by Forge · · Score: 2

    Aside from the usual @dose it run Linux?) I also want to know more detailed specs. Too bad the site is slashdoted beyond recovery. Anyone care to post info?

    Sure you can go out and build a system with 2 19@ monitors for less but alas if you make a compatibility blunder it's all on you head. In other words if you are an artist or programer with limited hardware experience you should buy this rather than building your own.

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  42. A neet feature... by resonator · · Score: 1

    BSOD in (((stereo)))

    1. Re:A neet feature... by dfranks · · Score: 1

      Fortunately (or unfortunately), the BSOD only appears on the primary monitor, no matter how many you have.

  43. Karma Whoring R US by Matey-O · · Score: 2

    If you can't read someting Asian, at least you can look at the pretty pictures here: http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/stapa/0,161 6,4140,00.html

    What's ALSO interesting is the 'Private Key' Hardware shown partway down the apge.

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    1. Re:Karma Whoring R US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm. I never realized Asian is a language. Weird.

    2. Re:Karma Whoring R US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't want to look the fool saying it was Japanese when it coulda' been Informal Cantonese. Asian as in coming from a region of the world Closer to Asia than Albuquerque. There, feel better? Matey-O

  44. Just the two? by innit · · Score: 1

    Take two monitors into the office? That's nothing

    Stuii!

    PS: I run Windows. Deal.

    1. Re:Just the two? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That looks like my setup but I have three 22" Mitsubishi Diamond Plus's (the far right monitor in the pic). I simply cannot see any LCD monitor beating these monsters aside from being a little easier on my poor desk.

    2. Re:Just the two? by innit · · Score: 1

      Those are both 19" Diamond Plus monitors. The one on the right is the DP91 and the one in the centre is the updated DP92 (same tube, different case and better onscreen software).

      The LCD on the left is an LG Flatron 575MS and it's wonderful

      Stuii

  45. triple by Kallahar · · Score: 1

    I'm running a triple monitor setup. Three used 17" monitors for $30 apiece, a RageXL AGP as the primary card, and two $15 Imagine128's off ebay. It's pretty cool, great for really wide spreadsheets or graphics work.

  46. More Information Available Here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The site is currently down, but you can find more information on the Panasonic LCW in Japanese at Panasonic's site, and a large picture of the computer at ASCII 24. This is nothing special, really, it's quite easy to upgrade your computer to a dual monitor by using an inexpensive dual-port video card such as the Matrox G400, using the X Citerama extensions or the built-in Windows 2000 support. At my last job, where we had lots of extra monitors (because of layoffs), I had 3 high-resolution montiors hooked up to my Windows XP machine. I was planning on adding even more, until I myself got canned. ;-(

  47. In other news... by gUmbi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ford decided to add a spoiler to this years Escort.

    Dell released a PC today with 4 USB ports! (Now you surf the information superhighway twice as fast! - Dude, you're getting a Dell!)

    Pleez,

    Jason.

    1. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ford decided to add a spoiler to this years Escort.

      The Escort is dead. It was replaced by the Ford Focus 2 years ago.

    2. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh...
      The Escort line is getting cut this year.

      USB is replaced by firewire.

      Dude, you're gettin old!

    3. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is it just me or does the hatchback focus look like its a modern amc gremlin?

      even down to the shape of the rear window, all it needs is a gas cap with a lil dude grinning on it.

    4. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Escort is dead. It was replaced by the Ford Focus 2 years ago.

      Actually, the Escort is still being made, just not sold to the public lately AFAIK... only to rental car companies.

      Ford just announced the Escort's discontinuation on January 11 of this year-- see the "Overhaul" graphic on this page.

      BTW, the Focus is a complete piece of fucking shit. One of my friends has one, and it seems like he gets a recall notice about something or other around once every 3 or 4 weeks.

      Back on topic, this announcement is not news.

  48. PCI Bandwidth? by Usquebaugh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I used to have a three monitor set up at work, pretty neat although the window manager needed some work to make it perfect.

    I've been thinking about doing this at home. But I want accelerated digital 3D $$$

    So do we have multi AGP ports on any mother boards?

    Is the PCI bus ever going to get increased bandwidth?

    To me the bandwidth limitations of the pci bus would seem to be a limit on futre expansion.

    1. Re:PCI Bandwidth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until PCI-X or Intel's next PCI upgrade plan becomes mainstream, don't count on it.

    2. Re:PCI Bandwidth? by pacc · · Score: 1

      AGP begs your question since it is the extra boosted PCI bus you wanted for faster graphics.
      Today you would have to use the old standard PCI-bus for a second graphics card, but it would cripple graphic cards of today.

      The solutions are actually already in place in some PC's today, serial highspeed interconnections between processor and chipsets where the PCI-bus just is another interface with limited throughput.

      The real win however is that you could have multiple independent PCI-buses that don't have to share bandwidth.

      There are also replacements and improvements on the PCI-bus, but to get back to the beginning, this is what AGP already have solved and these new standards will probably only be seen in servers at first.

      The next step would be the successor to AGP, probably building on the winning chip interconnection standard and whether the ones creating it thinks that it should be possible to have more than one in each computer.

      To predict the future, go to www.extremetech.com were you can find good discussions about the future highspeed buses. You should bet on one supporting multiple devices, adressing etc. But the graphics market probably just want a good highspeed bus that's well tested, and they probably won't wait a year to be able to support multiple graphics cards...

    3. Re:PCI Bandwidth? by singularity · · Score: 2

      I believe there are some difficulties with multiple-AGP motherboards. I think that memory access is currently one of them (although I might be wrong).

      As far as PCI goes, there have been some developments. You are starting to see more 66mHz and/or 64 bit PCI slots (most of the older PCI slots are 33mHz/32-bit).

      I run dual CRTs now and plan on running dual LCDs on my next computer. While good 3D is important to me, I realize that it is *most* important on one screen.

      So my second screen is not quite as fast as my primary screen. I can live with that.

      --
      - (c) 2018 Hank Zimmerman
  49. Faster Link to Product Image by SolidCore · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Tried to go to the site in the article and it was way slow. Here is a non /.ed link to a nice image of the unit...

  50. Usefulness of two monitor desktops by Gremlin77 · · Score: 1
    I have two 21 inch monitors on my dual-head Matrix G450, and I have to say it is extremely useful when writing code and doing other software engineering things.

    However, I don't see a huge use for it outside of our community. I can just imagine the questions from Joe-average-user: "Where'd my durn cursor go?" I could see it being useful for servers because one monitor could be the "output" window for all that useful chatter and usage statistics.

    It would have to be built into whatever game one is playing for it to be useful there, too. Imagine a simple racing simulator with the main monitor displaying the front view, and the secondary monitor displaying all manner of gauges, a rear view mirror, etc.

  51. More esotheric problems by BoarderPhreak · · Score: 2
    True, cost is a major factor in moving up to larger LCDs. I definately agree.

    I'm thinking of more esotheric problems - unless your video card has dual outputs, you'll need a second video card. I've not seen any motherboards, Mac or PC - that have dual AGP slots. This would affect performance on that second display.

    There's also the fact that two displays do not a large desktop make, necessarily. I know I'd rather have a large, contiguous workspace rather than have two clearly separate and spaced-apart screens.

    Granted, this is splitting hairs I guess and each side has it's pros and cons and depends wholly on your needs and preferences. I'm just stating my opinion on this arrangement... :)

    1. Re:More esotheric problems by DickPhallus · · Score: 1

      the AGP bus specification is for a single device (master)

      you can review it at:

      http://www.intel.com/technology/agp/agp_index.ht m

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      Some weasel took the cork out of my lunch.
    2. Re:More esotheric problems by DickPhallus · · Score: 1

      however, as mentioned, there are cards available to do what you want

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      Some weasel took the cork out of my lunch.
    3. Re:More esotheric problems by Altus · · Score: 1

      I dont realy mind one screen having better performance than another.

      see. with my dual monitor setup one screen is always the pirmary and another the secondary and I use them as such.

      for instance, IE goes on just my secondary while most code is written on the primary (with refrence material on the secondary) sometimes code will take up both.

      debugging is always on the secondary while the app is running in the primary (this is the only way to debug UI problems... well, other than 2 machine debugging )

      I love having 2 monitors... I realy dont know how any programmer gets by without them... hell I wonder how anybody gets by without them :)

      --

      "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson

    4. Re:More esotheric problems by BoarderPhreak · · Score: 2
      Exactly! In your situation, or say in video or graphics - where you might have palettes or less visually dynamic stuff... The dual monitor and video card approach is perfect.

      Maybe I'm just picky - I'd love to have one huge assed monitor that's equally fast... But that's where the price comes in to consideration. :(

    5. Re:More esotheric problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well on my gaming machine im running a 32mb tnt2 card in my AGP slot, and for the 2nd display im running a 32mb tnt2 in a PCI slot.

      it does a great job on fs2002, i put all the extraneous gauges (gps & radios & such) as well as both side views (& sometimes an external view too) on the 2nd display, while the primary screen shows the standard instrument panel & forward view.

      try this with a 2mb video card on your second display & itll choke on those 3d views, (even dragging down the fps on the primary) but it will still get by with just gauges fine.

      if thats not good enough, there are 64mb PCI video cards out there, its not worth the xtra dough tho.

  52. How new is this thing?????? by t0ph3rus · · Score: 1

    Do a google search and look at all of the sites that it is on. All of the sites are in Japaneese. Can anyone shed some lite......or translate :)

  53. imagine by kemster · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these things!

  54. What's new about this? by DohDamit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A year and a half ago, I walked into a place(trading shop) and the tech's there had three or four monitors they switched between by moving their mouse. How is this any big deal? Not only did they have several monitors, they could choose which computer under their desk actually displayed on each monitor...so each computer spewed onto one or many monitors, depending on what they wanted. How is this better?

    1. Re:What's new about this? by yorgasor · · Score: 2
      The fascinating this about this is that it comes set up like that. How many home users have the technical know-how to set something up like that? This comes all set up with the bells and whistles, plus it's very light and easy to setup and maneuver.

      Granted, I've got my two 19" monitors side by side, and I love it to death! But it wasn't something that normal people could do (of course, it didn't help that one was an old fixed frequency 1962b Sun monitor with a special adapter ... if you want something similar and need the modelines, let me know and I'll send them to you).

      Anyway, this just brings dual headed displays to the masses and that's what rocks.

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  55. ATX compliance by halftrack · · Score: 1

    Havent read - the /.ed - article, but is it?

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  56. xinerama by nslu · · Score: 1

    ...and 4 xterms side by side -- sounds good!

  57. Japanese product page by murphj · · Score: 3, Informative

    For those unable to follow the article's link:
    Try Here

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  58. A great resource by silhouette · · Score: 1

    For anybody considering building a multi-monitor setup of their own, you should definitely consult Multi-Monitor Resources which has a database of almost 3000 video card/OS hardware combinations that people have tried, along with their compatibility results. Dualhead and Twinview are very nice as single card solutions, but the old school setup is to use one video card per monitor. One guy in the database has a five-monitor setup, each driven by its own card.

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    Experts agree: everything is fine.
    1. Re:A great resource by RembrandtX · · Score: 1

      Hehe .. thats not me .. but I have a 5 moniter setup :P

      1 agp and 4 voodoo 3 3500's
      great when your doing web-work.

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      --Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum, non erravi pernicose!
  59. 1 GHz PIII or 766MHz Celeron? by invckb · · Score: 1

    Whats up with processor? For $2k I want some number-crunching capability.

  60. The real use for flipping the screen by oneiros27 · · Score: 2
    Is when you have some sort of a help-desk type environment, where the client comes in to talk, and you need to show them something. There was an IBM LCD that would do a sort of a backflip for that purpose:
    As anyone who's attempted to use VNC to fix a server while someone's sitting on the system, wrestling for mouse control is a pain in the ass.

    I have however, had luck with a two keyboard system [Macintosh], when some friends from Galudet would come by, we'd set two folks up on a system with two keyboards, so they could communicate without having to write everything down, and keep passing paper back and forth.
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    1. Re:The real use for flipping the screen by good-n-nappy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the problem you're talking about with VNC stems from the one person -> one computer paradigm. What we need is an OS that supports multiple mouse cursors. GUI programming would get significantly harder though since the GUI would now be multithreaded.

      There is specific application software that supports multiple mouse cursors though - for example, KidPad. But this only works on Win98 varieties with USB mice.

      --
      Never underestimate the power of fiber.
    2. Re:The real use for flipping the screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had a lot of fun in these type situations, from the user end. Opening a notepad session and typing "Demon, begone!!!" etc...

  61. Two LCD screens side-by-side? by Kaa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One word:

    Bloomberg

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    1. Re:Two LCD screens side-by-side? by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      You can get two more LCDs on the top (for a total of FOUR screens) at no extra charge, or so I have heard.

    2. Re:Two LCD screens side-by-side? by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 2

      You get 4 Bloomberg screens displayed on two 14" flat-pannels, or you can pay more for 4 Bloomberg screens displayed on four pannels. The cost differential used to be $300 a month.

  62. Here's a question by Grape+Shasta · · Score: 2

    Does anyone out there know about the future of LCD display technology? I've been curious about this. With CRT's, it seems intuitive to me that a small increase in screen size (say, going from 19" to 21") would result in a large cost increase. The technology doesn't scale well, so a linear increase in screen area doesn't translate to a linear increase in cost.

    But is this necessarily true with LCD screens? It seems to be based on the way they are priced. But technologically speaking, why can't I have an LCD screen with 4 times the area of a 17" screen, for 4 times the cost?

    I'm curious because I'd love to be able to buy a nice 50" widescreen LCD monitor for my home computer in ten years or so, for maybe $400 or so. Will it happen?

    --

    "I am a cipher, a cipher, wrapped in an enigma, smothered in secret sauce" -Jimmy James
    1. Re:Here's a question by cjsteele · · Score: 1

      A few months ago, there was an article about LCD's on /., and the basic just of it was that the problem with conventional LCDs is packing the necessary wiring (etc.) to get to each pixel in to an adequately small and efficient (temperature) space. The problem with CRT's, though similar, is less significant, thus the continued disparigy between prices. Organic LCD's (again, discussed on /.) are the solution to the space/efficiency problems in LCD's, so if you ever see a 50" LCD for $400, it will be organic -- and those are a ways off.

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    2. Re:Here's a question by rlarner · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's because current LCD production technology is worse than CRT - they throw away a lot of monitors. Here's the process:
      1. manufacture the complete LCD screen
      2. Test to see how many 'defective' dots there are
      3. If too many defects are seen in the screen (either total number, or too many next to eachother, or...), throw it away.
      4. Use what's left.
      That's why large LCD screens have not been made - the larger the screen, the more defective dots you get.

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    3. Re:Here's a question by Grape+Shasta · · Score: 2

      After I posted my question, I remembered the How Stuff Works website, and I found this same answer there:

      http://www.howstuffworks.com/lcd5.htm

      So, I guess the limiting factor is how much they can improve the manufacturing quality. Hmmm, it would be cool if they could develop a modular process, where they could produce 4" mini-panels, test them, and then fuse the good ones together seamlessly. But maybe I'm dreaming.

      Or maybe someone will produce my 50" LCD screen and just allow for a certain small percentage of defects. How bad could that be?

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      "I am a cipher, a cipher, wrapped in an enigma, smothered in secret sauce" -Jimmy James
  63. pics by SubtleNuance · · Score: 3

    http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/stapa/0,161 6,4140,00.html

    Everyone thank our friends at google for this link. Not a mirror, but a start.

    1. Re:pics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christ, it looks like my old Apple III with a couple of LCDs hanging over it.

      And what's with the bearded crazy guy? Does staring at two LCDs automatically induct you into the Manson Family?

  64. This site in Japanese has an animated image by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.panasonic.co.jp/pc/prod/dt/82/index.htm l

  65. Small correction by dracvl · · Score: 1

    Panasonic's own page states that the screens are 15.7" screens capable of SXGA, ie. 1280x1024 (not 1024x1024 as stated above).

  66. $2000? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For $2000 I could buy 20 iPaqs, and create a 56"x70" display.

    1. Re:$2000? by hyperstation · · Score: 1

      uh..

      if you know where to get iPaqs for $100 each, *please* tell us!

      yeah, right

  67. Laptop size limitations by Destoo · · Score: 1

    Seems like this one comes with a decent keyboard.

    Schematics and pics can be found here.

    It does look more like a portable desktop computer.
    I wonder what the battery life is like. You can probably count it in nanoseconds.
    (Is SXGA a buzzword or is it just some standard I missed?)

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  68. Too pricey. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought two 19" Viewsonic LCDs (VG191s) for $1565. Throw in a DIY computer for another $500-$600 and you've got a much better solution for the same price .. with monitor swivel support.

  69. They should make laptops like this! by burtonator · · Score: 2

    One of the other posters commented that it was stupid to create a PC with dual LCD panels because the system will depreciate before the LCD panels.

    For laptops this is not the case. Some vendor should create a laptop with dual LCDs.

    Specifically this image

    Imagine if this was a laptop. Would be REALLY slick and I would pay the extra $1000 for this.

    They would need the ability to operate conventionally so that you could still use it with one LCD panel because you wouldn't be able to use it on an airplane.

    I am sitting in a coffee shop in San Francisco right now on 802.11 and it would be nice to have dual LCD panels. One for Emacs and one for Mozilla :)

    1. Re:They should make laptops like this! by j1mmy · · Score: 1

      They could do it like those flip out picture wallets. Just open your laptop and half a dozen LCDs flip out.

  70. Re:Old news. Havn't you people seen a Bloomberg? by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

    I love our single Bloomberg terminal here at work. I think I'm the only one that really does anything with it beyond the DES, WEI and MA screens. When I'm running Excel to download stuff, I'll frequently have Excel on the left LCD and one of the Bloomberg screens on the right LCD.

  71. Re:This page is too short by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wow, someone is enjoying his first semester of calculus. :-P

  72. Dual vs Single big-a$$ LCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IMHO, dual CRT setup (21inch and 17inch) is better than Apple Cinema 24inch.
    In our lab three guys are using dual CRT setup and one guy is using Apple Cinema Display. Honestly, that one guy envys our setup. I'm using 17inch LCD at home (SGI 1600) but dual CRT setup is far better for working environment (coding, debugging, documentation, .....) don't know about graphic works though...

    --the ACD guy wants to put another lcd on his machine, then we don't have a choice but kill him:)

  73. I've always wondered by bluGill · · Score: 2

    Why throw them away? granted no buisness or serious gamer would buy a LCD with bad pixels, but it would seem to me there is a market for LCDs with a small number of non-intrusive bad pixels. The menu bar on the bottom of my desktop for instance doens't need all the pixes to work. And if there are one or two in the middle of a large display I can live with that.

    Mind you I expect to pay a large discount for the displays with bad pixels, but I would buy a 15 inch LCD with 5 bad pixels for $49.95, and it would seem to me there is a market there. And since they would throw them away before they make money.

    Of course maybe they recycle the bad LCDs, in which case they do need to make more profit over the cost to recycle a bad display. Still I would think this could be done. Anyone know the costs?

    1. Re:I've always wondered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since it is only the panel that is bad, $49 is not enough for the case, power supply, marketing, profit, etc.

  74. Nerd penis size contest by stud9920 · · Score: 1
    I have two 19" flat CRT Trinitrons at home connected to a Matrox G450.
    Matrox, Schmatrox ! My nerd penis is longer than yours !
  75. Stitchable Display Technology?? by mprinkey · · Score: 1

    Combining two smaller displays into one effective display system is a smart idea. I wish that "stitchable" displays where available. I remember a discussion about this once. Essentially, the probabability of failure of a display is proportional to the number of pixels in the display. The ratio of "wasted" pixels, is of course, proportional to the number of pixels in the display. So as displays contain larger numbers of pixels, both the probability of failure and the "wasted" pixel count grow quickly.

    But if one could manufacture smaller patches of pixels (say 128x128 blocks) and stitch them together seemlessly, building larger displays is as easy as stacking more of these blocks together. Yield problems become less significant, because per-block testing can be done to ferit out units containing bad pixels. The amount of wasted display area is also small and independent of the final display size.

    Is anyone working in this area? I thought that other technologies (Plasma or LED?) were heading this way. Also, I think that this addressed some of the signaling issues too. The 128x128 pixel blocks could be accessible in a "networked" fashion. Data would stream from a central controller to each block using a high-speed protocol. The block would contain its own patch of RAM and drive the display locally.

    Anyway, I hope someone get's this working soon. We need ubiquitous 21" flat monitors and 65" HD displays.

  76. Re:slashdotted? Sure, but Google can find it... by dbirchall · · Score: 2

    There are photos of it on Japanese pages here and of course on Panasonic's own Japanese sites, here and here. (Doesn't anybody use Google any more?)

  77. Re:Old news. Havn't you people seen a Bloomberg? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget SLSH.

  78. Re:This page is too short by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wow, someone is enjoying his first semester of calculus. :-P

    Or maybe the second or third semester of first-semester calculus.

  79. Dual-screen sweetness by LinuxParanoid · · Score: 1

    For under a thousand dollars more (<$3000), you can get nifty Dell Inspiron 8100 laptop with a 1600x1200 (UXGA) 15" LCD plus a second 21" monitor with 1600x1200, supported by an Nvidia GeForce 2 Go 32 MB graphics card running in "TwinView" mode either in Windows2000 or X-Windows. I've done that.

    3200 x 1200, baby. It's nice. :-)

    --LP

  80. And this is news, how? by ethank · · Score: 1

    http://www.massmultiples.com

    For sale through various OEM's, including Dell. Cheaper too. Three screens for 2000.

    Ethan

    1. Re:And this is news, how? by jo42 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, whoopee shite. How about 3 SGI 1600SWs side bye side for 4800x1024? One AGP card and two PCI. Runs under Windows 2000 and FreeBSD no problems.

  81. dual monitor iMac by pneuma_66 · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    this picture looks suspiciously like the dual monitor iMac i made as a joke.

  82. Not entirely a new concept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It still looks mostly like a glorified laptop to be honest. But the fact is, as many have pointed out, nothing really new. Aside from Bloomberg, Massmultiples (www.massmultiples.com) has been doing this for quite sometime with 2,3, and 4 flat panel setups.

    1. Re:Not entirely a new concept by place4linux · · Score: 1

      Oh My God!!

      The triple 18" screens are absolutely beautiful!!

      I can't stop drooling!!

      http://www.massmultiples.com/mass_multiples/c3h1 8_ horizontal.htm

    2. Re:Not entirely a new concept by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 2

      if you got a big kick out of that, I wonder what you'd make of www.panoram.com. Put your credit card away before you visit the site though...

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  83. Re:Old news. Havn't you people seen a Bloomberg? by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

    "Don't forget SLSH. "

    Yes, I use it extensively. For those that don't know: Typing SLSH in a Bloomberg terminal brings up Slashdot.

  84. Good Points, Bad Points. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bad points first - Annoying. Two monitors are annoying. Some of us can't make the little white space inbetween them disappear. One big monitor? Rock. Then, there's electricity. My computer is plugged into my UPS. It gives me five minutes of power. If I had my monitor in, it'd give around 1 1/2 to 2. Big difference, and quite a bit of change to have two monitors, especially for those of us who have our computers on most of the time.

    Good points?

    MechWarrior 4. And other games I suppose I still want to design a 'cockpit', where I can look around and see a different view of the screen. Would it be an unfair advantage?

    Possibly - but Clan technology doesn't suck, Microsoft Not-quite-Freebirth.

  85. Dual Monitor setup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I run a 19" Hitachi as the main screen and 15" LCD as the second under OS X on a G4 box. The other day when I accidentially started X Windows full screen (normally it's run with unrooted windows) it ran just fine on both monitors. This with no configuration on my part (I am only an egg) it just ran.

    --jim

  86. Beowulf? No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine a video wall of these!

  87. Ergonomically, this computer is not good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guys,

    Take a look a the pictures in http://www.sense.panasonic.co.jp/shop/ncpo/catlog/ pc/cf-81/cf-81.jsp

    You either put this thing on a stand or end up with a broken neck at the end of each working day!

  88. Monitor resolutions? by Geek+In+Training · · Score: 2

    ...with two 15-inch (1024x768) LCD monitors...

    Are you sure they're 1024x768? The Panasonic Japan website lists SXGA resolution (15.7", instead of the 15.0 we're used to seeing).

    IIRC:

    VGA=640x480
    SVGA=800x600
    XGA=1024x768
    SXGA=1280x1024

    I'm pretty sure from look at the mirror site, these are actually 1280x1024 resolution. Which I would like even better than my current 1024x768 LCD I have at home!

    (WalMart sells them for $369.00 US now. With free mouse! ;)

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  89. Dual Heading LCDs is good and bad by fractalus · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've got dual 17" LCD monitors and, frankly, it's been a rough ride.

    I started with an ATI Radeon All-in-Wonder and Rage something-or-other as the secondary card. This worked fairly well, except the TV on the AIW wouldn't work unless I rebooted Win2K with just one video card. To play games I at least had to disable the second display (didn't have to reboot, though). But for regular Windows apps, this worked great; apps maximize to just one monitor, popups don't cross monitor boundaries, most things just worked better.

    Not happy with the performance on the second display (PCI instead of AGP) I splurged and got a Radeon 8500 with built-in dual-head. And yeah, the performance is great... but the dual-head support is utter crap. The DVD playback can't full-screen properly, apps get confused about which monitor (or both) they should maximize to, the mouse pointer behaves erratically near the monitor break, and you can't set the two monitors to different resolutions. Oh, and the software gets confused about how to use both monitors across reboots; sometimes forgetting the bit depth, always forgetting that a 2560x1024 display should span two monitors, not be constrained to one. ATI has yet to patch any of these problems.

    The LCDs themselves... well I use flat CRTs at work, and I prefer the LCDs, even for graphics work. The sharpness of LCDs is extraordinary; it's especially unforgiving of JPEGs, as I can see a lot more distortion on these than I can on a CRT. It did take me a while to get the color balance decent, though--and even longer to get both monitors to match each other. But I can fit two of these on my desk without having to use industrial-strength support. The two together weigh less than a single 21" monitor.

    The Panasonic unit looks interesting but it's probably going to be a very niche item. Most people can't justify two monitors in their minds, even though once you use one seriously for work, you end up liking it quite a bit. (You can pry my second monitor from my cold, dead fingers.)

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    1. Re:Dual Heading LCDs is good and bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate to say this, dude. Get a Mac.

  90. It saves some space, but... by Agent+Green · · Score: 2

    ...there had better be a lot more to it for me to give up my 2x1600x1200 + 1x1280x1024 displays.

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  91. Get just the multiple monitors... by UncleRoger · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm thinking I'd rather see that available as a separate monitor, than as an integrated, all-in-one PC.

    Then simply go to Mass, Inc. and pick a system with up to 4 15- or 18-inch LCD screens. I'll take the C3H18, thank you.

    (This was posted previously on Slashdot, but it took me a while to find it.)

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    1. Re:Get just the multiple monitors... by stevarooski · · Score: 2

      The C3H18 sells for $3,995. . .Its little brother, the C3H15, goes for $2,265. For comparison, the Apple 22" Studio display everyone's been drooling over for over a year now retails for $2,499.00 (and I believe started out retailing for $500 more). Is it just me, or am I noticing a discrepancy here? 3x15" or 18", or 1x22"?

      Anyone actually used one of these LCD systems? Are they of good quality?

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  92. luggables by aclarke · · Score: 1

    I guess you don't remember the old luggables from the '80s...

  93. OT: AGP by GunFodder · · Score: 1

    FYI the P part of AGP stands for port. Ports are for point-to-point connections; many people confuse this with a bus, which is designed for multiple devices.

    1. Re:OT: AGP by LoudMusic · · Score: 2

      Very good information, and I can see why there are still only one on motherboards. But this doesn't mean there has to only be one. How about comm ports? Or parallel ports? I think it would be important to keep each AGP on its own bus, which would make the task even easier ... that coming from my very uneducated electrical-engeniering self.

      ~LoudMusic

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  94. More monitors -vs- bigger monitors. by mindstrm · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is something people seem to disagree on.

    A large monitor is great. A bigger monitor is better.

    But for somethings.. 2,3, or 4 displays can be handy... especially when you really aren't after one big desktop (like, for widescreen movies, spreadsheets, etc). or graphics (because you end up with color variances between displays, etc).
    Multiple monitors can be very handy... like, one web page open in one to read documentation... and my editor on the bigmonitor....

    Every multi-head setup I've had involved a central, main screen (19" or 21") and smaller, 17 or 15 inchers on the sides.. these were usually used to just stick monitoring windows, slashdot.. whatever on . The central big one is for the work.

    This side by side setup looks great for office work.. not great for games.

  95. Re:Page widening!!! by FlamingAsshole · · Score: 0

    Well you don't exactly see the crack-slashdot programming team jumping to fix this one...

    oh and NOVA sucks!!
    that's why so many trolls come from there
    "projection"

  96. whoa... by Jack_of_Hearts · · Score: 1

    Check out the picture of that wierd dude's head at the top. Japanese culture scares me...

  97. x2vnc is what i find really cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The software I love is x2vnc. It allows me to put a single keyboard on my unix box and use windows. I do all my web stuff and most of my media stuff in windows. I do all my xterms and emacs and such in unix. You can cut and paste back and forth without a problem. I love this setup as I get the best of both worlds without any real hassles. Check it out.

    http://www.hubbe.net/~hubbe/x2vnc.html

  98. multiple montiors with VNC by cosyne · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been using some manner of dual head system for a few years. Once you get used to having the real estate, it's hard to go back. I now have a pc with one big AGP-connected monitor and a secondary 17in runnig on a pci card, which is great for non-graphics intensive stuff like a terminal window, mp3 player, contact manager/schedule, but mainly for displaying documentation or assignments or other useful info while i'm coding on the bigger monitor.

    Anyways, my point was that i end up using my extra monitors for simple stuff like showing a text document, which could easily be done by an old laptop or obsolete pentium desktop you have lying around. So, you can use x2vnc or win2vnc to link the computers together. I use this to set my laptop next to some other display, and i can mouse over, even copy and paste, like both displays were on the same system.

  99. DDC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Display Data Channel, a VESA standard for communication between a monitor and a video adapter. Using DDC, a monitor can inform the video card about its properties, such as maximum resolution and color depth. The video card can then use this information to ensure that the user is presented with valid options for configuring the display."

    shown here.

    1. Re:DDC by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 2

      yep, I knew all that - DDC is a standard, and a highly useful one at that. DXGA is a meaningless acronym deliberately designed to confuse consumers. "A DXGA screen? wow! that's even better than XGA! this screen must be better than YOUR crappy XGA one..." Heffe, what is a plethora?

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  100. Yawn - - Re:dual monitor iMac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My new TiBook G4 hooked right up to my 21" Trinitron (also ported to my Sun workstation). And it does Xinerama between the 1152x768 flat panel and the 1600x1200 CRT. better Xinerama than Sun provides, too. So nice doing opaque drag between them.

    Apples, NeXTs and Suns have been doing this well and easily for years. My Sparc 20 can run multiheaded and it is a 1994 machine.

  101. I might be excited if... by MrResistor · · Score: 2
    ...it weren't for Panasonics crappy support. They are absolutely the worst of any company I have ever dealt with. I finally discovered their secret, though. After many hours on the phone with their Tech Support (actually, many hours on hold with sporadic contact with alleged Support Techs) I finally got ahold of someone who knew something, and was informed that Panasonic only supports Canadians.

    OK, he didn't actually say that, but if you're looking for Panasonic drivers that actually work you have to go to their Canadian site.

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  102. P A N O R A M by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't much like the look of this Panasonic set-up, looks like a novelty rather than a productivity boost. Try http://www.panoramtech.com/ for a better solution...

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  103. Dual LCD boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine a Beowolf Cluster of THESE!!!

  104. Re:Why can geeks be so unhealthy? by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

    Maybe he should be called CowboyMeal.

    Come on now, did you guys leave your sense of humor at home today? That was damn funny.

  105. Cheaper and better: iMac with extra 15" flatpanel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you buy a new iMac, you can hook up an extra flatpanel to its VGA port. If you wanted to.

    Which means you not only get a blazing fast G4, the wonder and joy that is Mac OS X instead of the misery that is Wintel, FireWire and wired and wireless networking built in, and to top things off the SuperDrive, a DVD/CD burner/reader.

    All that, for less $$.

  106. For Awesome Dual/Triple/Quad LCD Standalone... by Beryuson · · Score: 1

    ... Check out Mass Multiples. They have a great selection of dual (both portrait and landscape), triple (in landscape and pyramid), and Quad LCD configurations. They come in 15" and 18". One caveat is that Max Res. on each is 1280 x 1024.

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  107. Two times 1024x768 isn't many pixels! by Ben+Jackson · · Score: 1

    I got my wife a 1024x768 LCD display (GEM-150ATA, $289 after rebate from Fry's). It's beautiful. The auto-setup does a great job... but my 19" tube has 2.5x more pixels at 1600x1200! The article is talking about 2x 1024x768, which is still 20% fewer pixels than my current display. That's not much of an upgrade -- unless you measure by sheer area.

    The article says they will make upgraded base units (left unsaid: if the original sells enough!). But except for the fancy swivel hardware, the LCDs are the part that's already out of date!

  108. Re:This page is too short by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

    No, that was long ago. That's just all I can remember!! :-)

    How 'bout this:
    The integral from 0 to cabin equals the log of cabin plus c which equals houseboat...