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Mozilla 1.0 Officially Here
hhg writes "People of the world, rejoice! At last, the long awaited Mozilla 1.0 is released, and has emerged on the ftp.mozilla.org ftp-server. Let the release parties loose!" And there's even an Ann Arbor party now ;) Congratulations
to all the developers that contributed to the mighty lizard. And bahtama writes "The latest IE gopher hole patch is out! :) ... Check the release notes and then grab it from here."
For they're all jolly good fellows, For they're all jolly good fellows, For they're all jolly good fellows .....
And so say all of us!
http://www.mozillazine.org/articles/article2278.ht ml pretty much says it all :)
Congrats to all the hackers on the moz project. Fantastic job and well worth the wait.
In Soviet Russia...michael would be rotting in Siberia!
Which IE, the OS bound IE
...]
Ding dong, the wicked browser's dead!
It knew when you were sleeping
It let the virii in
And tried to blame it on other apps
But now we know it's Spring
Ding dong, IE is dead!
Which IE, Microserf IE
Ding dong, the wicked browser's dead!
[noone expects a thousand munchkins to defeat a wicked witch, but you just need a minor event or two
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--- Will in Seattle - What are you doing to fight the War?
...of course, I'll use that new transfer protocol - TCP/IP over Flying Pigs.
...but I'll have to bundle up - my office just froze over.
..and maybe I won't have time - I think an attractive girl just mentioned that she may want to talk to me.
...but it's being eaten...by some...Linux or something...
First amazon.com had a profitable quarter.
Next, Slashdot sold out (Again)
Then, mozilla was released.
Coming up Warcraft III and Duke Nukem forever released.
Now that they have hit 1.0 are versions
without talkback going to be availible.
Have they or will they remove debug information?
The pacakage is still ~10megs for windows. I was
hoping to see some reduction for 1.0 since I
still use a lowly 56K Modem.
Its a great browser from what i've seen in RC3. I'm trying to get used to it (i'm so used to opera now). I like the middle click opens in background new tab and the image permission options.
no sig.
The FAA has spotted an unusual number of pigs at high altitude, the devil called me up asking to send him a jacket and gloves, a cow was seen in the night sky above the moon.......
The One Rule Of Chess You'll Ever Need: Don't play someone who carries a kit in their bookbag.
The March 98' dream, when Netscape announced that Netscape's sources would be released, this dream finally transformed into reality. Many doubted about the calpability of the project to give something valuable, and there was much FUD about the project, but now we have the proof that a big Free Software project such as Mozilla has a sense.
I've been using Mozilla 0.9.x under Mandrake 8.2 for a while, and when I compare it to Internet Explorer, I have to say Mozilla is simply better. And I have to say, Mozilla-mail is also better than Outlook in many aspects.
Long live to Mozilla!
Cm'on if you have 1.0_rc3 and you are not having problems, please do everyone a favor and DON'T download today...
Unless you are having problems.. try this weekend after the mirrors have had time to catch up!
if you wait for a while, I will have the files at ftp.fredan.org/mozilla/
Ann Arbor Party... Looks like Taco will be there.
FAQ: http://mozilla.org/start/1.0/faq/
Don't bother looking at these in IE 5.0, its PNG support is rubbish.
http://rocknerd.co.uk
While the ultimate goal of the Mozilla project is to produce source code that can be used by other projects and companies, the Open-Source project Beonex tries to make a browser for end-users out of it. (See Beonex vs. Mozilla). Beonex Communicator stays relatively true to Mozilla. Special emphasis is being put on security and privacy. The software is configured defensively, to avoid security holes to appear in the first place. For example, it sanitizes incoming HTML-email to the largest part.
The current version is available for Windows und Linux and bases on the final Mozilla 1.0 source code.
BTW: Congratulations to the whole Mozilla project!
Disclaimer: I am a member of the Beonex project.
I hope, Slashdot will also run this as main news article.
While there are some rough edges (tho, remember IE 1.0? ;), Mozilla is now the king of browsers. Tabs, developer-friendly tools (that dont get in the way of the newbie), skins, the level of customization, speed, cookie management .. and free (and open source!) Whats not to like?
;)
Say goodbye, IE! Man am I glad to see you go.
(BTW, I hear in the next (last?) WinXP patch, you'll be able to strip IE from your system entirely? Where can I find detailed information about this?)
PS. I've been using Mozilla for about a month or two, and despite aforementionned rough edges, this thing absolutely blows IE out of the water in all respects except market share.
"Old man yells at systemd"
Please, don't use the developer groups for your questions. A good place for user discussion where you can ask for support or discuss and propose features is the new newsgroup:
snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.mozilla(Note that slashdot adds a space inside the link)
After long last, its finally here. Don't think that this is the end of Mozilla. It's only the beginning! Netscape 7.0 is most likely coming off the 1.0 branch, and the trunk has already been getting bugfixes that will go into later Mozilla releases (releases). So, if a fix to a bug you wanted fixed isn't in Mozilla 1.0, its not the end of the world. Stay posted. :-)
Volunteer Mozilla developer, RPI Student.
This source code is subject to the U.S. Export Administration Regulations and other U.S. law, and may not be exported or re-exported to certain countries (currently Afghanistan (Taliban controlled areas)
Bombing them is one thing, but not giving them access to Mozilla? That's just mean.
a serious question to toss into the midst of all the flying pig, snowball in hell, and slashdotheads getting laid jokes. does anybody know if moving a non-technical user, who uses netscape 4.7 for his mail and such to mozilla 1/netscape 7 works seamlessly?
You won't ever see 2.0, it'll be 7.0..."just to avoid confusion."
Stupid sexy Flanders.
I just got the release binary from mozilla.org, but it looks like the mirrors aren't ready yet (at least the 2 that I checked).
Perhaps we shouldn't get too frenzied to download until the mirrors are updated.
All things in moderation.
I have been using Mozilla almost exclusivly for one year.
Mozilla has been the best browser out there (free, stable, feature rich (tabbed browsing, image blocking, fastest rendering)) for six months.
Why 1.0 is news is beyond me.
Mozilla could be improved by making new windows open faster (although tabbed browsing really helps), and adding many of the thousand of feature requests that are in the bugzilla database. Here are bugs for which I am currently voting. I'd like middle mouse button to open forms in new windows, junkbuster functionality built in, an easy way to switch SMTP servers, and the Reply-To on mail to be set to the person mail was sent to to begin with when replying.
but still, the problems with sorting bookmarks still exists. I was hoping this would be fixed before release.
After downloading Mozilla you can install Java and Flash automatically.
As long as Mozilla has its foot in the door with a significant niche of web users, as long as it is Free software that can never disappear simply because a company goes under, as long as it guarantees a viable browsing solution for all the platforms Microsoft would rather you forgot, then it has won. It will prevent Microsoft from completely dictating web standards, from creating a world where only Windows can browse the web.
The problem Microsoft (and others of its ilk) has with Free software is that it doesn't go away. When Mozilla first came out, there was a huge hype, but that hype evaporated and turned (in some quarters) to derision when Mozilla didn't deliver right away. For most MS competitors, that would have been the end. But Mozilla kept plugging along, getting better and better...it never has to go back to square one with a new company and codebase.
...and the longer it holds on with the high quality it has demonstrated so far, the more companies will jump on to its bandwagon. Everyone except for Microsoft benefits from open standards, and almost everyone knows it.
If a thing is not diminished by being shared, it is not rightly owned if it is only owned & not shared. S. Augustine
This bug is why mozilla insists on adding .exe extensions to anything delivered as application/octet-stream, .txt to text/plain, and likes to fool around with lots of other extensions depending on your exact setup (on my machine it tries to rename every mp3 file to .mpga).
314-15-9265
However it still has a few problems. from Klassy.com
1. Image alignment. Seems to not support the Align=AbsMiddle property of an image tag.
2. Lacks support for IE style layers. Its too much to expect web site devlopers to use more then one layer type. Its time to bite the bullet and support the MS style.
These are the only real problems I can find after a breif test. Overall looking very good (other then the Netscape 4 interface).
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
I have a fairly old version, so I went ahead and downloaded the Linux release. Got a consistent 123kb/second through my company T1.
D
Take it as a proof of concept for the "We'll release when we're damn well ready" philosophy.
I've been using the builds since 13 or 14, and I must say, they've done a remarkable job in coming so far.
I can't seem to download it right now, but should it fix the small number of issues I saw with RC3, this should be an amazing product.
But no rest for the weary, the 1.1 branch is allready underway.
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
*setting down his tech support headset*
um, is that such a good thing?:)
Looking for Book Reviews? Check out Literary Escapism.
I want to personally thank everyone that downloaded Milestone and nightly testing builds and contributed feedback in the form of Bugzilla bug reports, TalkBack crash reports, comments in the newsgroups and at mozillaZine.org. And a special thanks to those people that gave a hours, weeks, months or years of their lives to the care and feeding of our bug database (triage and testcasing bug reports). Without Mozilla's amazing QA and testing community we wouldn't be where we are today. ;-)
Oh, and all the developers too
Regardless, great news! Me == happy.
Al Qaeda has ninjas!
damn straight!
Face it, if you really want to read a bunch of pro-ms stuff, head to microsoft.com. Complaining that slashdot is pro-linux is like complaining that the pope is pro-christianity, or that Senator Hollings is pro-bribery.
It's been a long time.
Enormous thanks and my congratulations to everyone involved with Mozilla! And to all those doubters and cynics who've been whining about bloat, performance, features,... or indeed anything at all: you can stop it now. Mozilla is the best web browser in existence today (looking only at the browser component): it supports FAR more standards than anything else, AND it copes with old broken non-compliant HTML, AND it renders pages fast, AND it (the browser) starts up like greased lightning in -turbo mode
Not only is it a category killer browser - irtonically hte individual apps are themselves (pretty much) category killers. mail/news easily trounces Outlook for me - apart from the secuirty stuff, it does threading. Yep, no threading in Outlook! And what's more --- no ads (Opera), no security holes (IE), and best of all, Mozilla is Free (Libre) Software.
Many thanks also to those of the rest of us who kept the faith, spending long expensive nights downloading another flakey nightly build, who never hit EXIT on a moz process until it had crashed...
Personally I feel more involved with Moz than any other Free Software project, I've been testing, logging bugs in Bugzilla, reading the docs, status reports and mozillazine ever since the news was first announced here on Slashdot. Anyone else out there coming to the London party? Gervase?
A million thanks to everyone who hacked code or helped out on the project in any way. Mozilla is the most enjoyable software I've ever used, apart from Perl that is. Oh frabjous day! Calloo, callay!!! =) *does a little dance*
PS: and a special thanks to Asa and the rest of the evangelist types who turn up here reliably and calmy refuting the FUD and bollocks that have come from Slahdotters over the years. Go back a couple of years and pick out a Slashdot moz story -- you lot /hated/ it and it sometimes seemed no-one else believed it would ever work...)
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Goethe
I'm using 1.0 right now, and the only thing that is annoying me is that 1.0 still uses that same (IMHO tacky) splash screen!
I fortunately replaced the splash screen on my copy at work (in Windows, drop a file called mozilla.bmp into the Mozilla directory, and that becomes your splash!) before I showed Mozilla off to my boss. Had he seen the regular splash screen, I don't know if he would have taken it seriously.
Seriously, the browser is professional, the splash screen should be too.
Errr
Edit
Preferences
Advanced
Scripts & Windows
Uncheck 'Open unrequested windows'
Because this release is the gopher hole patch for IE. That is, Mozilla replaces IE. It took me a second to get it, too.
compatability with the latest Office standards
Except they aren't standards are they? They are secrets.
...Now the Linux folks will realize what the rest of us Alternate OS users have known(and have experienced) for years. It doesn't matter if you have a better OS, it doesn't matter if developers are making things for your OS. It doesn't matter if you have a rabid user community who believes that this OS is the greatest ever coded. Microsoft will lie, cheat, and steal to ensure it's position.
As a niche OS, Linux only got fringe attentions from them, but now that it's becoming a formidable desktop platform, I fear that MS will bring it's PR machine into gear...
It's been a long time.
And bahtama writes "The latest IE gopher hole patch is out! :) ... Check the release notes and then grab it from here."
;)
Why did they attach a comment that should have been mentioned in slashback and put it in such an historic post?
Clearly you missed the joke here. Bahtama was implying that Mozilla 1.0 is a patch for IE, by allowing you to no longer use IE anymore, an browse securely!
Of course, you know what they say about jokes that need explaining...
Please do not use the above mirror. It's primarily for use by the developers. If it becomes unusable they won't be able to get any work done.
Or should I wait for Ximian to release v1.0 final? I don't want to break a bunch of things if I try to upgrade to non-Ximian v1.0. I am running Red Hat Linux v7.1 and v7.2. I also don't use Nautilus on my machines.
:)
Thank you in advance.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
Man, are you still crying about that? We already told you that it isn't a bug and that the change was necessary. This will be the final behavior of the browser.
The complete list is at http://www.schnitzer.at/mozparty/
It looks like we'll finally be able to close out Bug #100309.
Things you think are in the Constitution, but are not.
I notice they're using the May 31st 1.0-branch build as 1.0 . I'm on the 2nd of June 1.0-branch build right now. Maybe they decided to junk several days' work due to mistakes.
:-)
Actually, we're already moving forward to Mozilla 1.0.1
--Asa
Near the end of the release notes, there is the warning
The bug report itself contains this pathetic comment:
that is to say... If Netscape can't use a Mozilla profile(and vice-versa) without causing nasty corruption then it shouldn't be trying. We should offer to import and create a new one without harming the old one - just like we do with other browsers that we like/share users with/ and support but with which we have incompatible profiles. (uhh 4.x)
Believe me, I'm overjoyed to mark bugs that stem from this behavior as invalid (and I will) but that doesn't strike at the core issue. Lots of users, QA, and developers have spent a ton of time chasing down these demons - no one knew of this incompatibility. Isn't there something to be done?
I downloaded the Mozilla CVS Release Tag 1.0 yesterday... previously I'd been using 1.0-rc1. They fixed the last few bugs I'd noticed (yay), but the major difference I noticed is that with RT1.0, I can no longer start multiple instances of Mozilla (I'm running Mandrake 7.2 on a P3-800). Well, I CAN, except it won't let me use the same profile for separate instances -- it says "that profile is already in use".
.tar.gz from mozilla.org appears to be corrupted -- all four times I downloaded it), and unless there's some way to let multiple instances of 1.0 access the same profile... I guess I'll stick with rc2.
Why does it do this? Can I disable this behavior? Why does Mozilla suddenly need to not allow multiple instances to access the same profile data, after never having done this for any previous version? I had to go back to using 1.0-rc2 (I would have tried rc3, except the
I haven't tried the full 1.0 release yet, but I doubt it's any different than RT1.0. Even if it is, actually being able to download it will take a while, due to server overload.
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
They used to do this, but basically there are so many bugs fixed etc that it's easier to check bugzilla, or the status reports.
Note: calendar is not in 1.0.
Gerv
It's great that Mozilla is finally out after all this time. I remember downloading early releases and being quite unimpressed by what I saw there...but by the it got to v 0.9X, I was a believer.
Does anybody else find it peculiar that Netscape is dumping its 6.X versions already, and the new Netscape is v7.0? Even though hardly anything has actually changed from 6.2?
I really wish that they'd hurry up and get the Debian package out, though. Even Testing still only has Release Candidate 3.
Editor Emeritus and Senior Writer, TeleRead.org
. . .Mozilla could advertise itself as the most Gopher-Friendly browser on the market!
!#@%*)anks for hanging up the phone, dear.
And an IRC chat client that I think is VERY top notch.
Go grab it now!
Derek
The irony of this is more than a +5 Funny can ever allow, I laughed so hard I almost cried. Apparantly, you are not even a part of the "small audience of people" that you are trying to reach with your humor. I don't mean this as a flame,but geez, this is FUNNY. :)
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Oh bother.
About twenty minutes ago, after reading about the gopher hole and following links to find out that my version of Mozilla was vulnerable to a bug allowing access to the hard drive, I downloaded rc3. I did the rpm -Uvh and saw that I needed a couple other support packages. Odd. The server seems a lot slower now. And what's this about v1.0 doing here? Dangit, why won't ncftp connect?
And yet in that post Linux is not mentioned once. Not even indirectly. Do you even know what Mozilla is?
"Is going to become"? It already is...consider this cost breakdown I posted over the weekend. For my hypothetical low-end machine (which isn't even as low-end as you can go), Win2K accounts for more than a fifth of the system cost. It's the most expensive item in the list. If you leave the monitor out of the list and consider just the computer and what goes into it, 27.3% of the cost is for Win2K. (You could get Win98, WinMe, or XP Home for less, but Win98's a bit long in the tooth and WinMe and XP (any version) blow chunks.)
20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
Hey. Using the new release on OS X, I was wondering how I could open a folder of bookmarks, automatically, in different tabs...would sure make morning surfing alot easier. The folders are on my toolbar, and are like 'news' with cnn, slashdot, fox, google news and such...If I could somehow open them all at once, in different tabs, well, that'd be heaven.
:-)
Also, this is the first Moz I've tried on my new iBook, and it certainly renders faster than IE or OmniWeb. AAMOF, Slashdot loads considerably faster.
Nice work. I'll try to make myself get used to it, as it seems alot more polished than I expected.
I have not downloaded Mozilla 1.0 yet, but I do have RC3 installed on this Ultra5/270Mhz/512Mb .
While this monster is by no means a speed demon, Mozilla is so slow it is unusable. Takes 30 seconds to start up, 1-2 seconds to register a click. The rendering of pages is fine, but everything else is really, really slow.
Netscape4.7, on the other hand, is fine. Not fast, but perfectly usable.
I also use Mozilla all the time on a Win98 & RH7.2 (Dual boot/366Mhz/512Mb), and it's way way FASTER then Netscape4.7.
Why is Mozilla so slow on Solaris?
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
My bad, I don't use IE so I didn't bother even looking at the patch link. Moderators, please moderate the above comment into oblivion and save me the horrid embarassment of my laziness and foolishness in overlooking the obvious joke. Reduce my foolish words to -1 so that none but the ranks of trolls may smirk at their stupidity!!
(on that note if the moderators have done as I requested those who are reading this humor me and please don't look at the parent!)
I stole this Sig
Our congratulations. ^^
An amazing accomplishment in development, to say the least. In case any of the developers are reading, here is a copy of our e-mail sent to mozilla.org this morning:
"On behalf of Heavy Cat Multimedia Ltd. I would like to offer our congratulations on your spectacular success in software development. We have been developing with Mozilla for almost three years now, and we have been consistently impressed with its progress. Developing for Mozilla is a joy for which we are very grateful.
Once again, ometedou gozaimasu!"
Enjoy the parties!
Anyone with a recent JDK/JRE installed already has the plugin for Mozilla/Netscape and does NOT need to install this package!
o ji140.so (for Linux at least).
I don't know why the installer does not do this automatically if it detects Java, but all you have to do is go to the Mozilla plugins directory and make a symbolic link to the plugin. In the case of JDK 1.4, the plugin resides in ${JAVA_HOME}/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_
In Windows, in some directory that looks like that, there are some dll's you can copy to the Mozilla plugins' folder to make the Java plugin work.
Marcelo Vanzin
Could someone please explain why the Redhat 7.x RPMs that are distributed still dont support TrueType fonts (and therefore no anti-aliasing) ?
Might I expect an official Redhat RPM of Mozilla 1.0 released sometime soon with full TrueType support and antialiased fonts? It looks so nice!
In principle, can't it be replaced by a web page with radio buttons that say "do you want your download to include/exclude $FOO, $BAR, $BAZ", and upon clicking "submit", give you a page with the corresponding packages/zips/tarballs/whatevers?
To an extent, RealPlayer did this (small, medium, and large downloads), and AOL's Winamp still does. Any more than a S/M/L scheme, and you have to store 2^n packages on the server, one for every possible subset of the n components. Or you get a set of separate zip files, which is hard for the average point-and-drool user to install correctly.
Good AOL products: Mozilla and Winamp. Bad AOL products: AOL and DMCA.
Will I retire or break 10K?
My boss wants the lizard, so I don't get sacked.
Just about any open mirror will make my day
and then the Lizard may be here to stay!
Should I quit my day job and become a poet???
I don't mean to deprecate your efforts, but I think this "Mozilla isn't about producing an end-user product" idea has always been wishful thinking--and is becoming less plausible every day. Mozilla is clearly destined to become the prominent browser in the free software community and the web development community, and a popular browser among computer users at large.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea in principle to separate the development of the engine and the finish; I just don't see how it can happen in this case. The core features and the user interface of a browser are not separable enough. In order for Mozilla to produce a browser for testing purposes going to want it to be a good user interface. The evidence bears this out: users file usability bugs in bugzilla, the developers take them seriously, and as a result, vanilla mozilla has an overall better user interface than any earlier Netscape browser.
The Mozilla developers seem to agree on the value of a reference user interface, in order to prevent excessive variation in the interfaces of derived products. For example, they insist upon limiting the number of user-configurable variables, which would not make sense if they were only about the basic technologies. In order for their reference interface to be credible, they have to invest resources in usability. The way I see it, the "reference interface" position amounts to a committment to an end-user product, even if they don't realize or admit it.
On top of this, Mozilla already has all the visibility in the free software and web development communities. If Mozilla refuses to provide an end-user product, it will mostly create user confusion. Mozilla has all the developers. Mozilla has all the infrastructure. It only makes sense for Mozilla to do the last 10% and provide an end-user product. Maybe someday beonix or galeon or someone else will overcome this barrier (just as GTK and QT have finally displaced athena as free widget sets for X), but it will take a long time.
Of course, in some markets, vanilla Mozilla won't be the king. Among Joe PC, it will a Netscape or AOL branded version. Users of embedded systems will get whatever modified version their manufacturer included. But even the popular computer press reviews Mozilla, so the message that it is not for end-users doesn't seem to have gotten through. And among the slashdot demographic, Mozilla is it. Let's face it: how many of us will download Mozilla 1.0 to "test" it? Most of us want to use it! Mozilla is already a great end-user browser, and will keep getting better.
The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
I can put one together myself, but I'm not certian what the best (most easily understood) directory structure would be... Perhaps something like this:
- Root
- Linux
- Suse
- Redhat
- ...
- BSD
- FreeBSD
- NetBSD
- ...
- Windows
- Source
- DOCS
I'd like to have something burnable by next Wednesday for the Ann Arbor Destroyed by Mozilla party...-Adam
June 5th 2002 - Mozilla 1.0 Released
Roughly, about 4.5 years.
Well, with 390+ comments posted already, this one probably won't even be seen, but there's something I need to say.
WOOOO-HOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Thank you, mozilla.org and everyone else who contributed to this project! Now - let's party like it's 9.9.9!!!
If all the world's a stage, anyone who says they want better lighting spends far too much time in a dark theatre.
one US mirror has mozilla-1.0 on it site and is currently giving me the maximum download my IDSL line's bandwidth will allow.a 1.0/
 
The mirror is:
 
ftp://archive.progeny.com/mozilla/releases/mozill
 
This seems to be the only one that has it at the time of this posting.
 
I am the penguin that codes in the night.
Not trolling, but you do realize the Willam F. (?) Gates foundation donates millions and millions of dollars to charities each year... Gates' has a lot of things you can flame him for, not being kind isn't one of them...
In order for Mozilla to produce a browser for testing purposes going to want it to be a good user interface.
should be
In order for Mozilla to produce a browser for testing purposes, it has to have a user interface. As long as it has a user interface, people are going to want it to be a good user interface.
The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
I realize this is a very trivial issue, but does anyone know if they're planning to enable the Back/Forward buttons on my mouse for use in Mozilla? I recently switched over from using IE full-time (I really like the tabbed browsing), but this is the only real caveat I have, despite it not being a really big deal.
Any help or info anyone could give would be appreciated. Thanks.
Mozilla has several (around 3500) unconfirmed bugs, most of them seam to be gone since a long time or dups, but we need some help to get through them - just ask on irc.mozilla.org #kill-unco and read there: http://sucs.org/~sits/mozilla/unco/
Today in the news Mozilla has been shown to be decreasing by 99% of 0.0001% leading experts in the field to believe that Mozilla is, in fact, dying. Richard Stallman, founder of the upstart Free Software Foundation was quotae as saying, "It's GNU/Mozilla damn you GNU/Mozilla!!!!!" Eric Raymond was reached for comment but he shot both of our journalists dead proclaiming, "Git offa mah propherty you city boy!" Cmdr. Taco and Hemos were unavailable for comment as they are currently in an undisclosed location doing ungodly things to CowboyNeal who by all accounts, has been dressed up in a leather and latex montage and forced to consecrate with small asian monkeys.
In other news Linus Torvalds, founder of the Loonix software movement was found chastising pigeons in a NYC subway earlier today. He claimed they were in it with the queers. Bill Gates commented, "That's what happnes when you do not charge for your product, dimentia sets in and *WHAM!* you're gone." He then added, "Besides 640k should be enough for anybody."
Yeah and if somebody makes a little nursery rhyme about how Lunix is dead he gets bitchslapped. Or mozilla, slashdot, bsd, etc etc ad infinitum.
Mod me down, you're proving my point.
"On weekends, to let off steam, I participate in full-contact origami."
If you followed the project for so long then you would know the answer to your question.
IE was passed by Mozilla in terms of functionality ages ago.
In Soviet Russia...michael would be rotting in Siberia!
Unlimited growth == Cancer.
Are you aware of how much money that shrew of a man has? Percentage-wise, he gives next to nothing.
Send your friends messages of love at fuck-you.org
You're using Mozilla, and that splash screen has been there for the past year.
If you want the "Professional browser" then you're looking for Netscape 7 (with ad-branding and all).
The Mozilla project went out of their way to allow you to mod the splash screen (like you did) so let's not go nuts and claim that the browser is unprofessional because the splash screen isn't "pretty enough".
If you're sick of that curly, blue lizard icon that appears on EVERY window, try installing the icons found here:
http://www.grayrest.com/moz/resources/icons.shtml
They're nice looking, and more importantly, I can now differentiate between the browser windows and the mail windows...
Supposedly these and other icons are available from the following page, but it's really slow right now for me...
http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/icons.html
"And like that
Yah I can understand your problems. All I can do is tell you that my entire office uses Win2k, and I'm the guy who has to fix the machines when they break. I personally have 3 machines I use actively to do things like use the web and I don't have the problems you describe.
:)
I understand I can't change your mind, and that's cool. I thought I'd at least share with you what my experience is so you understand I'm not just throwing around MS marketing lines.
"Derp de derp."
Not to knock the damn hard work, but wheres the spell checker?
I switched to Mozilla Email, and theres no spell checker. Wasnt is suppose to be released in 1.0? Humm, maybe I can steal netscape 7.x spell checker.
If they didn't want to be a mirror, why is there site on the Mozilla mirrors site?
I have a copy at my company as well but I won't publish it to the world, because I'M NOT A MIRROR.
-- You can't idiot-proof anything, because they're always coming out with better idiots.
I still wish that the Windows build had the "red dinosaur head" icon rather than the "blue gekko-creature" icon -- IIRC, the Linux builds have the red icon, why not the Windows builds?
;-) ).
Not that this is a huge deal -- I've used Moz since 0.7 and now it is my default browser on both Linux and Windows XP... but still, I think the dinosaur head icon would look better -- especially when it's enlarged and put at the top of the start menu as your default web browser in XP (which should be its placement on every Windows computer some day
Or at least the ability to choose between the two.
I am not impressed. I give a greater percentage of my salary to charity and I bet most people do too. Bill G handing out a million is like me gving a homeless guy a buck.
War is necrophilia.
Thanks for all the hard work!
Actually, what it really means (though this is not explicit in the release notes) is that you can't share a profile between mozilla 1.0 and existing versions of netscape. I read elsewhere (maybe in the FAQ?) that this will be doable in future netscape builds (i.e. ones based on moz1.0). Also, from the bug report, which you rather unfairly neglected to quote:
The 1.0 relnote for this bug is good but not enough. The solution should be that
Netscape creates its own registry.dat and doesn't touch Mozilla's. That should
be done for the next major Netscape release, or there will be a lot of users
with profile corruption caused by sharing profiles between Netscape and Mozilla.
That could lead to user frustration.
It sounds like it is actually a problem with current netscape builds.
...time to clean up ;)
Aw, c'mon. How do you know how much he gives? Cursory google search turned up that Bill Gates is the greatest philanthropist in American history. At the very least,in 1999, he made what is believed to be the largest ever individual donation to charity..
I don't like his business practices, but as a philanthropist I don't think he deserves the scorn. (And, quite frankly, I don't care what his motivations for giving are either. The world would be better off if people always did the right thing for the wrong reasons, rather than the other way around.)
-- Will quantum computers run imaginary-time operating systems?
Can't anything be done to fix it?
Well for a start, this is a browser where themability is built into the lowest to the highest levels. If you fancy fixing something in the XUL descriptions to make something behaviour in a more intuitive fashion for you, it can be done. There are different graphics available if you don't like the modern theme, and now the APIs are frozen, you can expect there to be more on the way.
Or maybe you mean like Galeon for those with Gnome. Or maybe Skipstone which is just GTK+ based? Or K-meleon if you are on Windows? There are projects galore out there playing with the Moz codebase.
You can plug almost any GUI you want on the front of the Gecko rendering engine. A lot of the projects listed above have been done to improve the connectivity between the Gecko engine and other related parts of the UI environment - imagine Bonobo-integration of the Gecko engine to provide a central, capable HTML engine for all GNOME components..
So if you don't like the UI, you can fix it at many levels. For me, it works fine.
Cheers,
Toby Haynes
Anything I post is strictly my own thoughts and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the opinions of IBM.
Apparently you've never used AOL. The normal means for web browsing (and this is all most AOL users use) is the mshtml control (IE) embedded in the AOL client window.
The change in AOL 7 will be that Gecko (Mozilla) is embedded there rather than IE.
No clicking on 'e' or (admittedly) stupid-looking lizards involved.
Now, it IS true that AOL users aren't all going to magically upgrade to AOL 7 once it comes out.
DNA just wants to be free...
From what I've seen of Mozilla, I really like it. However there are some quirky things with assessability through a speech recognition program that makes it a bit more difficult to use. One of the big issues is that bookmarks are not recognized by the speech recognition interface. Another nice feature that would really hope the assessability is the feature of being able to browse a link by saying the link name.
One of the things that I would like to say about the access Mozilla project is that they seem to have a clue that assessability is important. The open office group downgraded the complaint that even basic menu functionality is not visible to speech recognition software from a bug to a feature request. However until Mozilla works just as well with existing speech recognition software as Internet Explorer interacts with existing speech recognition software I'm not going to use Mozilla on a regular basis.
what mathers in the end is
What does this have to do with Eminem (aka Marshall Mathers)? ... Oh, you mean s/mathers/matters/.
does this web page load.
First, before you can have a web page load, you have to have a web page to begin with. If you put some content up on AOL's proprietary system, would it be a "web page"? Does Flash served up through HTTP count as a "web page"? And if you made some content available through HTTP in Microsoft's proprietary mark-up language (which happens to look similar to HTML), would it also count as a "web page"?
There has to be some definition of a "web page". You may choose "web page" as it's defined by the documentation on MSDN, with VBScript, ActiveX, and the like. I'd rather define "web page" using the W3C specification of HTML and related technologies (CSS, ECMAScript, DOM, PNG, etc).
now that would be a good way for all of you whiners saying that IE is bugriden to prove to the world that you are better than Microsoft and implement their features correctly
And end up in court for violating patents owned by Microsoft Corporation. Microsoft's latest patent licenses specifically exclude any software licensed under the GNU GPL (part of the tri-license covering most of Mozilla).
Will I retire or break 10K?
asshole
From your link...
While Gates has surpassed the Carnegies, Rockefellers and Fords in total dollars given to charity, philanthropic experts say comparisons to givers from the Gilded Age may be unfair.
"Yes, it's more money than anyone has ever put into a foundation," Englehardt said. "Is it a larger percentage of his worth? Probably not." One of the things that makes comparisons to the Carnegies and Rockefellers difficult, explained Englehardt, is that they gave before the income tax, and thus tax deductions, was created.
"In real dollars, it's more than they gave. Relative to what it can do, it's probably smaller than what the Carnegies' or Rockefellers' money could do."
Ellen Lagamenn, a New York University history professor and expert on philanthropy, said comparisons between Gates and the late greats are premature.
"I don't think these comparisons at the moment are very accurate or apt because Bill Gates is at the beginning of his philanthropic life," she said. "We have a whole record for Carnegie and Rockefeller. I think the issue is what Bill Gates is doing and how sensibly he is doing it. It seems to me he is heading in the right direction."
While benefactors such as Carnegie, Mellon and Rockefeller represented the burgeoning wealth arising from oil, steel and railroads, those of the late 20th Century are bearing gifts from the revolutionary age of information technology. And, like Rockefeller, Gates stands accused of being a monopolist.
Gates' $750 million gift to the Global Fund for Children's Vaccines came less than three weeks after United States District Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson ruled that Microsoft used its monopoly power to thwart competition. The ruling was seen as a threat to Microsoft stock, but share prices rebounded after Jackson appointed a federal judge to mediate between Microsoft and the U.S. Department of Justice prosecutors.
In a percentage of total wealth, it's not the same.
Also, many of the "generous" givers - i.e. Standard Oil (Rockafeller) gave very generously to help cover up their image of anti-consumer/anti-competitive greed. So, from that angle, BG fits right in.
Go do some research - most of these scumbags only give to help "reinvent" their image.
Gates may give, but look at the actions of the firm he ran. If you think that'll help re-invigorate his image with me, you been smoking somthing...
So, the origional poster was right! "Bzzzt - you win a years supply of toilet paper..."
Cheers!
Great release! I would switch completely
to mozilla if there were not an annoying issue
which had been in the bug list for years: in
linux, mozilla still does not open local
files like
mozilla help.html
(galeon does this correctly). While a little wrapper
#!/bin/sh
dir_name=`pwd`;
absolute_filename="file://$dir_name/$1"
mozilla $absolute_filename
can help, I hope this is soon no more necessary.
If Bill Gates wants to be charitable, why doesn't he fix the bugs in Windows XP, and in Internet Explorer (17 and counting)?
The bugs and deliberate shortcomings in Windows XP are causing me lots of grief now, so I'm particularly aware of them. (I have to support my customers.) I haven't been able to find anyone associated with Microsoft who seems interested in fixing them.
Quite likely the bugs are not fixed because some secret agency of the U.S. government like the CIA or the FBI or the NSA wants the bugs. That may be the reason that the government is giving Microsoft such a sweet deal after the company was found guilty of breaking federal law.
The people who own computers are usually the leaders of any society. The huge number of bugs and deliberate insufficiencies slow us in our work. Making a good product would be the best charity for the whole world.
Giving free copies of Windows to people who would not otherwise buy them is cheap charity. (It's just one CD, and their group is allowed to make copies. The cost is in supervising the program.) Also, remember that they are expected to pay normally for upgrades.
Maybe the free software is donated to groups whom the U.S. government wants to watch. It's possible that the U.S. taxpayer supports what the Gates Foundations are doing, not Bill Gates or his father or wife. That is definitely the kind of sneaky behavior in which the U.S. government has engaged in the past. For evidence of this see What should be the response to violence? .
Anyhow, often rich people give money because they want to feel superior, and like to tinker with other people's lives. Don't look only at how much money is spent; look at the effect of the money. Many times a charitable project is, effectively, merely a method of advancing a rich person's hidden agenda.
Do you think that, in some other area of his life, Bill Gates is a nice guy? I don't think it ever works that way. I'm sympathetic to the troubles he has had in his life, but not accepting of his abuse.
NOTE: you can't start the profile manager unless Mozilla is fully shut down.
http://rocknerd.co.uk
Nope. It's all included cross-platform.
We are. On #mozilla ;-)
http://rocknerd.co.uk
You can find some cool add-ons for Mozilla at Mozdev. Among these are: Annozilla, a sidebar tool for annotating websites; Forumzilla, a tool for reading web discussion forums usenet-style; Jabberzilla, a Jabber-client; MozBlog for weblog authors; OptiMoz for mouse gestures, and many many others. Not all of these work with 1.0 yet, though.
I run mozilla mail with about 15 folders, only 2 or 3 of which ever have fewer than about 10,000 mails each. I get between 300 and 1000 messages a day and they get filtered to my different folders. Mozilla mail has no problems with my volume.
--Asa
They also have a "simple html" view for mail, which sanitizes incoming html to simple html or plaintext. A cool feature, but to be honest, the rest of the browser looks exactly like mozilla with the modern skin and "beonex communicator" in the titlebar.
One last note. Moderators may not reply to stories they moderate, so they often only moderate stories in which they have little interest. Because of that, moderators often don't follow the entire discussion threads closely.
Therefore, it is probably necessary to explain that this discussion of Bill Gate's charity is VERY much on topic.
The true philanthropists are those who contributed to Mozilla, and those who contribute to other open source projects.
Someone who annoys the whole world with buggy software, so that he can make money, is not a true philanthropist. It matters little if he gives a small part of that money to a worthy cause.
~/mozilla#
Usage: configure [options] [host]
Options: [defaults in brackets after descriptions]
Configuration:
...
--enable-calendar Enable building of the calendar client
...
This is from the 1.0 source-tree. So if you want it, calendar is in 1.0 (Note: I haven't tested it, and you need to install a special libical, but it's there).
It is strange that booth hoowee and bahtama use the same rarely used Simpson's reference: "Comic Book Guy: "There is no Groening in my store". It is used by hoowee in his sig, and bahtama in this comment. Kind of makes you wonder why this guy likes to have conversation with himself.
Yeah, OK - but "it's not there" is true for anyone who downloads any sort of binary, or who does a standard build - so 99.99% of people.
Gerv
Who is the user at madchat who is hosting those pictures? I can't find contact info.
And you want hot chicks? Hand hot chicks a copy of the Unix Administration Handbook, and make yourself avaliable to answer questions. It worked on me.
- Ceren E.,
that daemonette, who just wants to see the photographer's credits BACK on those pictures.
A few years ago, I remember posting something on Slashdot about how Mozilla was too little, *way* too late. Netscape was dead, and worse than that, it was kludgy and buggy. IE was, in spite of its faults, the most standards compliant browser out there, and it was hella fast, too.
I really thought Mozilla was doomed. And all those notices on mozilla.org! "Download at your own risk! This software is buggy! It'll probably make your 'puter explode!" It seemed like they didn't even want to succeed.
I've been keeping track of Mozilla since then though, and downloading new versions every so often. Today, I just wanted to take the opportunity to thank the Mozilla team, congratulate them, and apologize to them. I thought you couldn't do it. But you did do it. And you did it well. You've made me a stronger believer in open source than I was before, and you've made a kickass browser, too.
Let the browser wars begin again!
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
Which affects quite a lot of sites -- many web services open and close status windows automatically.
The BugZilla article at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10345
Also, the forthcoming XP service pack 1 will only allow you to remove the icons for browsers, a Reuters article here notes:
So basically, it's nothing new for those of us familiar with deleting shortcuts and running the Mozilla installer.
Anyway, congrats to the Mozilla hackers on getting this far! I can't wait for the next few releases. Another bonus -- now the APIs are frozen, it should make projects like K-Meleon (a light MFC UI for the Moz engine for Win32) a lot easier.
<!-- DHTML / JavaScript menu, popup tooltip, Ajax scripts -->
Nice try, but I know damn well there are tons of women at Umich look younger than her. Oh, and all those links were broken. But of the actual pictures that exist on that page, only one or two show a woman I'd call obviously older than BSD Babe.
The enemies of Democracy are
This book chapter from O'Reilly's OpenSources book captures the spirit of Mozilla really well:
Freeing the Source: The Story of Mozilla
No, the Mozilla port on OpenBSD is still broken at the moment. It has been like that for a pretty long time.
Can we make they 'greyed out' menu items more 'grey'?
They look like my eyes r going blurry rather than being disabled items.
1.0 is finally here!
This is higher then the number of working mirrors I found.
Offtopic and a bit trollish, but I always liked this movie...
shows the following as a boxscore for mozilla.
CNET rating: 7
The good: Fast; stable; free; includes full-featured e-mail client.
The bad: Incompatible with some sites built for Internet Explorer; chat client doesn't work with the big commercial IM systems, including ICQ, Yahoo IM, AOL IM, and Windows Messenger.
The bottom line: Until Netscape 7 comes out, Mozilla is the best free alternative to Microsoft IE. And it's faster, to boot.
Y'know, when the only bad things they can say about your browser is
1)it is standards-compliant; and
2)no, IRC does not work with AIM
then I think you've done a pretty damn good job. Congratulations!
I've been getting CRC errors on both the full install and the net install, both at my work and home PCs (Win2000 and Win98). So, will this be fixed before mortal folks simply give up on the download and keep using IE???
Does anyone know if there is a Linux build of 1.0 that uses a contemporary version of QT instead of GTK?
I need anti-aliasing, damnit!
-Peter
No, it wasn't. Read this and notice the nesting.
± 29 dB
- Mr. Prosser said, "You were quite entitled to make any suggestions or protests at the appropriate time, you know."
(From "Hitchhiker's Guide To the Galaxy")"Appropriate time?" hooted Arthur. "Appropriate time? The first I knew about it was when a workman arrived at my home yesterday. I asked him if he'd come to clean the windows and he said no, he'd come to demolish the house. He didn't tell me straight away of course. Oh no. First he wiped a couple of windows and charged me a fiver. Then he told me."
"But Mr. Dent, the plans have been available in the local planning office for the last nine months."
"Oh yes, well, as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or anything."
"But the plans were on display..."
"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."
"That's the display department."
"With a flashlight."
"Ah, well, the lights had probably gone."
"So had the stairs."
"But look, you found the notice, didn't you?"
"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display on the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard.'"
But Mozilla is better than Konqueror. Why would you want to keep using a second rate browser when a standards compliant one hits the streets?
Oh, hang on.. you're one of those 'beards' who are still running Slackware, aren't you?
mogorific carpentry experiments
Cross platform, thats what mozilla is able to, what IE ca't. You can use Mozilla on windows, unix, linux, and the MAC!.
Archiving such is not an easy thing to do.
I'm very happy to have good a decend browser on linux.
--
Karma 50, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt.
From the NewZilla FAQ:
"The code name for the product that became Netscape Navigator, and later Netscape Communicator. The name was derived from the fact that the first Netscape Navigator was intended to be the "Mosaic killer." Mosaic was the first graphical web browser and quite popular during its time."
The Mosaic it's refering to is NCSA Mosaic: the first web browser. Some of it's principal developers went on to form Netscape Communications Corporation.
Touch everywhere, even when inappropriate.
Isn't it possible to install Mozilla so that it can replace IE as an Active-X provider for many programs?
None of the UK or FR mirrors have 1.0 yet, but the IE one does:
ftp://ftp.eunet.ie/mirrors/ftp.mozilla.org/
And it's quick, too.
If you have esd running, try starting Mozilla with $ esddsp mozilla. That will use the esd mixer daemon to make sure that Flash doesn't get an exclusive lock on /dev/dsp.
I believe Arts has a similar wrapper, but I'm not sure.
Mart (who got bitten by this too)"I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
It doesn't work on Windows 2000 SR2 or XP because of System File Protection
You can disable the SFP in the registry. =P
Yep, it's just you. I get exactly the same layout every time.
dave
Mozilla doesn't do gopher very well-- for example, it fails to show information tags (a big nuisance): try publication or floodgap in Moz and another browser and see the difference.
GROGGS: alive and well and living in
Along with other posters criticizing this, I'd like to point out that bill gates stole most of that money by taking advantage of his monopoly situation. Some of that money he stole from me, and I haven't had the chance to recover it by lawsuit yet, so by giving it away to charities I don't believe in, he has deprived me of the opportunity to give it to something more important and deserving.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
redundant? ok so i was making fun of a typo. but "hot hicks" is pretty funny, don't you think? anyway, overrated (because of the +1 karma whore bonus) perhaps, but certainly not redundant.
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
Dollar-wise he has given less than nothing. It's all tax deductible.
He gives money to the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation. He donates money to himself. Some of it gets spent, some of it doesn't. He gets to spend it on what he wants, which sounds to me less like donating, and more like buying things you want and earning interest on your own tax write offs!
So you're saying he didn't have to pay taxes on 23 billion dollars, but he only actually had to give away 5 billion? That sounds dishonest to me. It's not particularly clever. Most people know how to cheat on their taxes, it isn't hard to figure out. But even if you can't you can pay an accountant to do it for you.
When you are very rich, you can go to $100,000 a plate political dinner parties. Whether you are passionate about politics or not, its really about 1) spending $100,000 on a party because you can, and 2) buying your way into a social circle.
Donating to the right charities is the same thing. It's what gets you to the right parties, get's your name printed in the right periodicals, and so on. It may seem like a waste of money to you and me, but when you have millions (or billions) sitting around, why not spend a few to satisfy a whim.
If I had 2 billion dollars, I would think nothing of spending a million or two to satisfy a trivial desire.
Thank you very much for your advice. I've posted this on a dozen different forums, and you're the first person to actully propose a fix (Everyone else made fun of me for using such a slow machine).
:).
It improved the speed of mozilla tremendously.
MozillaRC3 is still a little slower then NS4.7 in some regards (But it is faster in rendering pages, so the speed trade offs are worth it_, but it is completely usable now. As time goes on, I'm sure some developers will introduce some speed tweaks for we Solaris users.
I didn't realize that a slow NFS would impact Mozilla this much. After all, the NS4.7 cache is on the same NFS drive, so I assumed the NFS impact would be similar.
Plus, I was using RC2, which does not have the option "Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Cache->D isk Cache Folder". (RC3 wasn't available on http://www.mozilla.org/releases until a few days ago, and the netadmins don't allow FTP access, so no ftp.mozilla.org for me. So now I'm wating for 1.0 to appear for Solaris users
Once again, thank you very much for your help.
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
This is like saying "Well, they provide jobs" when someone complains about working conditions, sweatshops etc.
Sure, Pimps provide jobs. Hey, infact even, child pornographers provide jobs - but that's obviously a job not worth having. So, that's just a crock.
Simply having done something innovative (which BillG hasn't) or that made someones life easier isn't an escape from your overall actions.
The Mafia creates wealth and ease for quite a few people...but that doesn't excuse how they run their lives.
BillG ran a company that used sharp business deals (think Stacker, think IBM and OS/2, think Sybase etc etc etc...these are only more recent examples) and great marketing (sharp deals are 80% great marketing 20%) along with a monopoly on the OS (what other general use OS was available for PC's from the mid-late 80's to today?) to gain the position they are in now.
You can speculate that this was for the general good of the population. I'll counter that if the market had real transparancy and open-ness, the gains for the consumer would have been even greater. Just as no Mafia would produce greater wealth for all - just not as much for the few... Of course, we'll never know - I just know that eventually, what's moral and ethical is also best for me and you. We'll both do better in the long run.
Cheers!
Yes, but that only works on the same X display. If you have one Mozilla open on, say :0.0, there's
no way to open a new browser window on :0.1, which
I need to do for my monitoring...
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown
OK, so "the calendar is not in the binary builds of 1.0, or in your own builds unless you specifically enable the option" is a more clear statement of the truth. But "the calendar is not in 1.0" says almost exactly the same thing and is less typing.
And it's not a "plugin", in the Flash or Java sense. It's an XPI (cross-platform installable component.)
Gerv
(gerv@mozilla.org, and one of the initiators of the Mozilla Calendar project)