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Mozilla 1.0 Officially Here
hhg writes "People of the world, rejoice! At last, the long awaited Mozilla 1.0 is released, and has emerged on the ftp.mozilla.org ftp-server. Let the release parties loose!" And there's even an Ann Arbor party now ;) Congratulations
to all the developers that contributed to the mighty lizard. And bahtama writes "The latest IE gopher hole patch is out! :) ... Check the release notes and then grab it from here."
For they're all jolly good fellows, For they're all jolly good fellows, For they're all jolly good fellows .....
And so say all of us!
Grab your lizard?
its finally out, props out to the development team...
now how long before mozilla 2.0
Slashdot Hypocrisy at work?
http://www.mozillazine.org/articles/article2278.ht ml pretty much says it all :)
Congrats to all the hackers on the moz project. Fantastic job and well worth the wait.
In Soviet Russia...michael would be rotting in Siberia!
Don't lizards eat gophers?
"I'm just here to regulate funkiness."
Which IE, the OS bound IE
...]
Ding dong, the wicked browser's dead!
It knew when you were sleeping
It let the virii in
And tried to blame it on other apps
But now we know it's Spring
Ding dong, IE is dead!
Which IE, Microserf IE
Ding dong, the wicked browser's dead!
[noone expects a thousand munchkins to defeat a wicked witch, but you just need a minor event or two
-
--- Will in Seattle - What are you doing to fight the War?
/me sends coats to hell
Finally, I can replace IE on Windows. Oh wait, I don't use Windows. Think I'll stick with Konqueror.
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CodeRed, the lower user #. No relation to SirCam.
...of course, I'll use that new transfer protocol - TCP/IP over Flying Pigs.
...but I'll have to bundle up - my office just froze over.
..and maybe I won't have time - I think an attractive girl just mentioned that she may want to talk to me.
...but it's being eaten...by some...Linux or something...
Now, why won't http://www.schnitzer.at/mozparty/ come up?
I am not your blowing wind, I am the lightning.
First amazon.com had a profitable quarter.
Next, Slashdot sold out (Again)
Then, mozilla was released.
Coming up Warcraft III and Duke Nukem forever released.
Since the release notes are about 30 screens full, grab it first THEN check the release notes (that is, if you would ever bother to RTM).
Now that they have hit 1.0 are versions
without talkback going to be availible.
Have they or will they remove debug information?
The pacakage is still ~10megs for windows. I was
hoping to see some reduction for 1.0 since I
still use a lowly 56K Modem.
Its a great browser from what i've seen in RC3. I'm trying to get used to it (i'm so used to opera now). I like the middle click opens in background new tab and the image permission options.
no sig.
The FAA has spotted an unusual number of pigs at high altitude, the devil called me up asking to send him a jacket and gloves, a cow was seen in the night sky above the moon.......
The One Rule Of Chess You'll Ever Need: Don't play someone who carries a kit in their bookbag.
The March 98' dream, when Netscape announced that Netscape's sources would be released, this dream finally transformed into reality. Many doubted about the calpability of the project to give something valuable, and there was much FUD about the project, but now we have the proof that a big Free Software project such as Mozilla has a sense.
I've been using Mozilla 0.9.x under Mandrake 8.2 for a while, and when I compare it to Internet Explorer, I have to say Mozilla is simply better. And I have to say, Mozilla-mail is also better than Outlook in many aspects.
Long live to Mozilla!
Cm'on if you have 1.0_rc3 and you are not having problems, please do everyone a favor and DON'T download today...
Unless you are having problems.. try this weekend after the mirrors have had time to catch up!
if you wait for a while, I will have the files at ftp.fredan.org/mozilla/
Ann Arbor Party... Looks like Taco will be there.
FAQ: http://mozilla.org/start/1.0/faq/
Don't bother looking at these in IE 5.0, its PNG support is rubbish.
http://rocknerd.co.uk
Hit reload. I checked it this morning too.
I am not your blowing wind, I am the lightning.
Congrats to the moz team you are truly (slow working) visionaries.
While the ultimate goal of the Mozilla project is to produce source code that can be used by other projects and companies, the Open-Source project Beonex tries to make a browser for end-users out of it. (See Beonex vs. Mozilla). Beonex Communicator stays relatively true to Mozilla. Special emphasis is being put on security and privacy. The software is configured defensively, to avoid security holes to appear in the first place. For example, it sanitizes incoming HTML-email to the largest part.
The current version is available for Windows und Linux and bases on the final Mozilla 1.0 source code.
BTW: Congratulations to the whole Mozilla project!
Disclaimer: I am a member of the Beonex project.
I hope, Slashdot will also run this as main news article.
While there are some rough edges (tho, remember IE 1.0? ;), Mozilla is now the king of browsers. Tabs, developer-friendly tools (that dont get in the way of the newbie), skins, the level of customization, speed, cookie management .. and free (and open source!) Whats not to like?
;)
Say goodbye, IE! Man am I glad to see you go.
(BTW, I hear in the next (last?) WinXP patch, you'll be able to strip IE from your system entirely? Where can I find detailed information about this?)
PS. I've been using Mozilla for about a month or two, and despite aforementionned rough edges, this thing absolutely blows IE out of the water in all respects except market share.
"Old man yells at systemd"
And now I shall go and download the sucker :-)
Please, don't use the developer groups for your questions. A good place for user discussion where you can ask for support or discuss and propose features is the new newsgroup:
snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.mozilla(Note that slashdot adds a space inside the link)
And there was much rejoice...W00T
After long last, its finally here. Don't think that this is the end of Mozilla. It's only the beginning! Netscape 7.0 is most likely coming off the 1.0 branch, and the trunk has already been getting bugfixes that will go into later Mozilla releases (releases). So, if a fix to a bug you wanted fixed isn't in Mozilla 1.0, its not the end of the world. Stay posted. :-)
Volunteer Mozilla developer, RPI Student.
Nope, went to mozilla.org, hit refresh, and the top story is still "Moving Towards 1.0 - 30 May"
:) Or I could just go to the link published in the story :)
Oh well, I've waited this long, what's a few more hours
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
Linux installer mirrored here.
Monday is a horrible way to spend 1/7 of your life.
This source code is subject to the U.S. Export Administration Regulations and other U.S. law, and may not be exported or re-exported to certain countries (currently Afghanistan (Taliban controlled areas)
Bombing them is one thing, but not giving them access to Mozilla? That's just mean.
Yeah, bur IE hasn't had a complete re-write from the ground up. Every product has to start somewhere. Besides, EMACS is at version 27 or something like that...
Yeah, but if your post is any indication, your troll.exe is at version 0.02alpha.
"Old man yells at systemd"
ddddd
FoundNews.com - get paid to blog.,
I'm running 1.0rc1 at home right now, but I'd like to see a list of exactly what changes have been made in 1.0. Most other open source projects are good about listing the exact changes from version to version, but I can't find such info for Mozilla. Anyone?
a serious question to toss into the midst of all the flying pig, snowball in hell, and slashdotheads getting laid jokes. does anybody know if moving a non-technical user, who uses netscape 4.7 for his mail and such to mozilla 1/netscape 7 works seamlessly?
You won't ever see 2.0, it'll be 7.0..."just to avoid confusion."
Stupid sexy Flanders.
Looking out for those Flying Ballmer Monkeyboys!!!
Christ - I thought IE and Lotus Notes took up enough memory already - this beast is using 24 megs on my box!
And bahtama writes "The latest IE gopher hole patch is out! :) ... Check the release notes and then grab it from here."
Why did they attach a comment that should have been mentioned in slashback and put it in such an historic post?
I just got the release binary from mozilla.org, but it looks like the mirrors aren't ready yet (at least the 2 that I checked).
Perhaps we shouldn't get too frenzied to download until the mirrors are updated.
All things in moderation.
I have been using Mozilla almost exclusivly for one year.
Mozilla has been the best browser out there (free, stable, feature rich (tabbed browsing, image blocking, fastest rendering)) for six months.
Why 1.0 is news is beyond me.
Mozilla could be improved by making new windows open faster (although tabbed browsing really helps), and adding many of the thousand of feature requests that are in the bugzilla database. Here are bugs for which I am currently voting. I'd like middle mouse button to open forms in new windows, junkbuster functionality built in, an easy way to switch SMTP servers, and the Reply-To on mail to be set to the person mail was sent to to begin with when replying.
Can't anything be done to fix it?
The official bugreport
:-)
Let's party !
but still, the problems with sorting bookmarks still exists. I was hoping this would be fixed before release.
Laugh ... I can only get 28.8. Oh well time to start another download.
After downloading Mozilla you can install Java and Flash automatically.
hoo
As long as Mozilla has its foot in the door with a significant niche of web users, as long as it is Free software that can never disappear simply because a company goes under, as long as it guarantees a viable browsing solution for all the platforms Microsoft would rather you forgot, then it has won. It will prevent Microsoft from completely dictating web standards, from creating a world where only Windows can browse the web.
The problem Microsoft (and others of its ilk) has with Free software is that it doesn't go away. When Mozilla first came out, there was a huge hype, but that hype evaporated and turned (in some quarters) to derision when Mozilla didn't deliver right away. For most MS competitors, that would have been the end. But Mozilla kept plugging along, getting better and better...it never has to go back to square one with a new company and codebase.
...and the longer it holds on with the high quality it has demonstrated so far, the more companies will jump on to its bandwagon. Everyone except for Microsoft benefits from open standards, and almost everyone knows it.
If a thing is not diminished by being shared, it is not rightly owned if it is only owned & not shared. S. Augustine
C'mon Galeon developers! Release your 1.0-compatible program. It makes Mozilla the perfect browser.
And, to the Mozilla team, congratulations. I never thought I'd see this day...and yet here it is.
Fortran programmer...oh yeah. Array math for life!
This bug is why mozilla insists on adding .exe extensions to anything delivered as application/octet-stream, .txt to text/plain, and likes to fool around with lots of other extensions depending on your exact setup (on my machine it tries to rename every mp3 file to .mpga).
314-15-9265
Some of the servers had to reboot. They should be OK now. That is, unless they get really bogged down (which usually happens on a release).
Volunteer Mozilla developer, RPI Student.
Quick question - I had configured my old Mozilla to get rid of 90 percent of the popups simply by changing a config file or something. (you'd never see that in IE - major reason I use Moze)
I've since upgraded computers and would like to set this up again. Anyone have a pointer/instructions?
However it still has a few problems. from Klassy.com
1. Image alignment. Seems to not support the Align=AbsMiddle property of an image tag.
2. Lacks support for IE style layers. Its too much to expect web site devlopers to use more then one layer type. Its time to bite the bullet and support the MS style.
These are the only real problems I can find after a breif test. Overall looking very good (other then the Netscape 4 interface).
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
Look to the future!
As I type this, the party tracking page indicates that 1873 people are attending Mozilla release parties around the world.
I don't know what this says about the Mozilla community - that so many people are willing to party over a freaking browser release, that we're h4rdc0r3, d00d, or that we never get out.
Congrats to the team, it's time to crush Bill.
Someday, you're going to die. Get over it.
I have a fairly old version, so I went ahead and downloaded the Linux release. Got a consistent 123kb/second through my company T1.
D
Take it as a proof of concept for the "We'll release when we're damn well ready" philosophy.
I've been using the builds since 13 or 14, and I must say, they've done a remarkable job in coming so far.
I can't seem to download it right now, but should it fix the small number of issues I saw with RC3, this should be an amazing product.
But no rest for the weary, the 1.1 branch is allready underway.
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
and still riddled with security holes! Check out the latest (just today)
*setting down his tech support headset*
um, is that such a good thing?:)
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the jokes about mozilla's release will cease, well after everyone has a last crack at it.
If it won't boot, Fsck it!
I fully expect to see major businesses converting their operations to all Linux, now that Mozilla has reached 1.0
I want to personally thank everyone that downloaded Milestone and nightly testing builds and contributed feedback in the form of Bugzilla bug reports, TalkBack crash reports, comments in the newsgroups and at mozillaZine.org. And a special thanks to those people that gave a hours, weeks, months or years of their lives to the care and feeding of our bug database (triage and testcasing bug reports). Without Mozilla's amazing QA and testing community we wouldn't be where we are today. ;-)
Oh, and all the developers too
Regardless, great news! Me == happy.
Al Qaeda has ninjas!
damn straight!
Face it, if you really want to read a bunch of pro-ms stuff, head to microsoft.com. Complaining that slashdot is pro-linux is like complaining that the pope is pro-christianity, or that Senator Hollings is pro-bribery.
It's been a long time.
5 minutes with the new browser under Mac OS X, surfing slashdot and mozillazine and the darn thing crashed on me!
What is their exact definition of a 'final' release?
Enormous thanks and my congratulations to everyone involved with Mozilla! And to all those doubters and cynics who've been whining about bloat, performance, features,... or indeed anything at all: you can stop it now. Mozilla is the best web browser in existence today (looking only at the browser component): it supports FAR more standards than anything else, AND it copes with old broken non-compliant HTML, AND it renders pages fast, AND it (the browser) starts up like greased lightning in -turbo mode
Not only is it a category killer browser - irtonically hte individual apps are themselves (pretty much) category killers. mail/news easily trounces Outlook for me - apart from the secuirty stuff, it does threading. Yep, no threading in Outlook! And what's more --- no ads (Opera), no security holes (IE), and best of all, Mozilla is Free (Libre) Software.
Many thanks also to those of the rest of us who kept the faith, spending long expensive nights downloading another flakey nightly build, who never hit EXIT on a moz process until it had crashed...
Personally I feel more involved with Moz than any other Free Software project, I've been testing, logging bugs in Bugzilla, reading the docs, status reports and mozillazine ever since the news was first announced here on Slashdot. Anyone else out there coming to the London party? Gervase?
A million thanks to everyone who hacked code or helped out on the project in any way. Mozilla is the most enjoyable software I've ever used, apart from Perl that is. Oh frabjous day! Calloo, callay!!! =) *does a little dance*
PS: and a special thanks to Asa and the rest of the evangelist types who turn up here reliably and calmy refuting the FUD and bollocks that have come from Slahdotters over the years. Go back a couple of years and pick out a Slashdot moz story -- you lot /hated/ it and it sometimes seemed no-one else believed it would ever work...)
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Goethe
The next service patch for Windows XP doesn't let you remove Internet Explorer, it merely lets OEMs hide the explorer icon. All the code for Internet Explorer will be left intact on all Windows XP systems.
Yeah this shouldn't be mentioned in the Moz 1.0 story but it's there anyways so I'll try to mix, MS has had since the 20th to look at this and just now that it was finally reported came up with a fix. Frighteningly coincidence(?) this could end up giving a lot of people the perception that M$ gives speedy bug fixes, patch a couple hours after the report! Nevertheless it still took them 16 days!! Contrast this with the fact that RC3 was released on the 24th! Hmmm, it takes M$ 16 days to release a bug patch and the Mozilla crew 11 to release a new build!!
I stole this Sig
".....And God created mozilla. And he said 'This is 31337'. So, after much toil, on this most holiest of days, got created Mozilla 1.0. And the angels did sing"
This is positively fantastic news. Mozilla has made enormous progress, especially in the past year, and it is truly a feat of human co-operation that it came as far as it did. My warmest regards go out to everyone involved in the project, for putting the effort into building such a wonderful, powerful application.
Thought I'd be slick and download the net installer. Guess I was two minutes too slow, because now I can't download it at all! (And the installer offered to delete RC3, which I stupidly agreed to.) Guess it'll be Konqueror for now! : )
mstyne: real name, no gimmicks
Are there any mirrors on Internet2 links?
I didn't see any listed, and I figure as long as I'm sitting on a fat university pipe I could put it to good use...
Hm, I use Galeon and when I click on the link posted above, bugzilla refuses to display the page. But when I right-click on the link and say "open in new tab" - everything works fine. No cut+paste needed ;)
greetings,
cryptorchid
I'm using 1.0 right now, and the only thing that is annoying me is that 1.0 still uses that same (IMHO tacky) splash screen!
I fortunately replaced the splash screen on my copy at work (in Windows, drop a file called mozilla.bmp into the Mozilla directory, and that becomes your splash!) before I showed Mozilla off to my boss. Had he seen the regular splash screen, I don't know if he would have taken it seriously.
Seriously, the browser is professional, the splash screen should be too.
There's probably a bug or feature that you keep saying to yourself, "I'm sure someone else has noticed/wants this". Most likely someone has. Check out http://bugzilla.mozilla.org.
I'm sure it's almost safe to assume your bug/feature has already been reported.
Funny thing was opening up moz1.0 to read this story.
signal, noise, to me it's all the same.
finally!
i can remember 3'ish years ago at my first job, downloading mozilla, which at the time was the incredible crashing browser demo. that seems like ages ago, now it's finally reached THE major milestone. mozilla rules! everyone get milkfaced and hum like bunnies!
everyone get milkfaced and hum like bunnies!
OMFG, I thought I was the only one who remembers that sketch from The State. Or even remembers The State at all.
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I wonder if anybody knows if is Oracle going to support Mozilla as a browser for it's applications. It can be a big market for Mozilla. It is also the way for Oracle to get rid of the dependency on IE they seems to develop recently.
thanks man. 102KB/sec instead of 0.2KB/sec.. a little bit of a difference.
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Mozilla doesn't support most IE extensions to the HTML standard. You should report that site in a Tech Evangelism bug to Bugzilla so the site can be fixed.
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
compatability with the latest Office standards
Except they aren't standards are they? They are secrets.
email and newsgroups (as Netscape Communicator and Opera do)?
...Now the Linux folks will realize what the rest of us Alternate OS users have known(and have experienced) for years. It doesn't matter if you have a better OS, it doesn't matter if developers are making things for your OS. It doesn't matter if you have a rabid user community who believes that this OS is the greatest ever coded. Microsoft will lie, cheat, and steal to ensure it's position.
As a niche OS, Linux only got fringe attentions from them, but now that it's becoming a formidable desktop platform, I fear that MS will bring it's PR machine into gear...
It's been a long time.
Microsoft's biggest downfall was in making the local OS easy and fun to use. They will now pay the price as businesses flock to Mozilla and Linux in an effort to keep employees from fiddling with desktop themes all day.
Please do not use the above mirror. It's primarily for use by the developers. If it becomes unusable they won't be able to get any work done.
is that Moz 1.0 still hangs when attempting to play audio (in Flash) while some other app is already playing audio. I hate having to stop xmms just to allow the page to load. That's according to the release notes.
Gripes aside, i'm still downloading 1.0 but i'm sure this is going to rock! Kudos to the Mozilla team.
make the software simulate the babes, then you don't need the babes. suddenly the value of babes goes down, and no one cares what they advocate...
Or should I wait for Ximian to release v1.0 final? I don't want to break a bunch of things if I try to upgrade to non-Ximian v1.0. I am running Red Hat Linux v7.1 and v7.2. I also don't use Nautilus on my machines.
:)
Thank you in advance.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
Man, are you still crying about that? We already told you that it isn't a bug and that the change was necessary. This will be the final behavior of the browser.
The complete list is at http://www.schnitzer.at/mozparty/
It looks like we'll finally be able to close out Bug #100309.
Things you think are in the Constitution, but are not.
Well, it was a nice idea at least...
So, do I wait for three hours for the download, or do I come back tommorrow?
I think we all know that I'm going to be stuck here in the office salivating over my keyboard watching those 0.7 kb/sec stream in.
My life is so sad...
Xaotik Designs
I notice they're using the May 31st 1.0-branch build as 1.0 . I'm on the 2nd of June 1.0-branch build right now. Maybe they decided to junk several days' work due to mistakes.
:-)
Actually, we're already moving forward to Mozilla 1.0.1
--Asa
But when I used Netscape 3.0 it crashed every 2 web pages I opened or froze and I am not even making this up. IE was a godsend for me and many of my friends. I know it has its bugs since its the best thing to try to hack (thus inviting more hackers) but IE is one of the reasons why I use the web more and am more productive with it.
I'm glad there is an alternative but praise competition and good web browsers. I wouldn't turn this into an anti-IE party because w/o IE most people would have been crashing on netscape for the past 2 years.
Near the end of the release notes, there is the warning
The bug report itself contains this pathetic comment:
that is to say... If Netscape can't use a Mozilla profile(and vice-versa) without causing nasty corruption then it shouldn't be trying. We should offer to import and create a new one without harming the old one - just like we do with other browsers that we like/share users with/ and support but with which we have incompatible profiles. (uhh 4.x)
Believe me, I'm overjoyed to mark bugs that stem from this behavior as invalid (and I will) but that doesn't strike at the core issue. Lots of users, QA, and developers have spent a ton of time chasing down these demons - no one knew of this incompatibility. Isn't there something to be done?
I downloaded the Mozilla CVS Release Tag 1.0 yesterday... previously I'd been using 1.0-rc1. They fixed the last few bugs I'd noticed (yay), but the major difference I noticed is that with RT1.0, I can no longer start multiple instances of Mozilla (I'm running Mandrake 7.2 on a P3-800). Well, I CAN, except it won't let me use the same profile for separate instances -- it says "that profile is already in use".
.tar.gz from mozilla.org appears to be corrupted -- all four times I downloaded it), and unless there's some way to let multiple instances of 1.0 access the same profile... I guess I'll stick with rc2.
Why does it do this? Can I disable this behavior? Why does Mozilla suddenly need to not allow multiple instances to access the same profile data, after never having done this for any previous version? I had to go back to using 1.0-rc2 (I would have tried rc3, except the
I haven't tried the full 1.0 release yet, but I doubt it's any different than RT1.0. Even if it is, actually being able to download it will take a while, due to server overload.
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
Try this. Go to the google bork language page:
http://www.google.com/intl/xx-bork/
Now press reload a couple of times. When I do it, the page layout changes randomly -- large gaps appear and disappear both in the google title header, and the options list.
Is it just me?
Mozilla started as an open-source project with no support from the open source community, I guess no one believed that fine free software could grow out of what was once the commercial browser.
;D
They proved them all wrong, didn't they?
Mozilla not only proved that the browser-war is not over, it also proves that there *is* a place for standards-compatible software in the software market. And, it introduced some new standards to open source: bug-tracking software, nightly builds etc. Not to mention the great Gecko and holy XUL.
I might have not contributed any code to the project, but I feel proud of participating in the Bugzilla bug-hunt, designing my web pages to work well with it and talking with people about how great it is for hours
Good Job!
Bill Gates Has No Penis.
Unless someone is playing a prank, it looks like the mayor (j.f.street(AT)phila.gov) is attending the Philadelphia Party. Didn't realize anyone in the government would be aware of Mozilla.
--
Binary Boy downloads music, movies and pictures while you sleep.
It's great that Mozilla is finally out after all this time. I remember downloading early releases and being quite unimpressed by what I saw there...but by the it got to v 0.9X, I was a believer.
Does anybody else find it peculiar that Netscape is dumping its 6.X versions already, and the new Netscape is v7.0? Even though hardly anything has actually changed from 6.2?
I really wish that they'd hurry up and get the Debian package out, though. Even Testing still only has Release Candidate 3.
Editor Emeritus and Senior Writer, TeleRead.org
. . .Mozilla could advertise itself as the most Gopher-Friendly browser on the market!
!#@%*)anks for hanging up the phone, dear.
Those are just pictures Stileproject grabbed from somewhere else, and then photoshopped (or gimped or whatever) graphics onto....
And what happened to his site? It used to be funny, now its all porn.
*sigh* this is the second comment today linking to these images directly on my site, not fun for my bandhwidth/box load, they're now blocked
And an IRC chat client that I think is VERY top notch.
Go grab it now!
Derek
Free the Lizard! - Beware the Lizard - it has been freed!
About twenty minutes ago, after reading about the gopher hole and following links to find out that my version of Mozilla was vulnerable to a bug allowing access to the hard drive, I downloaded rc3. I did the rpm -Uvh and saw that I needed a couple other support packages. Odd. The server seems a lot slower now. And what's this about v1.0 doing here? Dangit, why won't ncftp connect?
I must say that on all computers where I have some influence, I tell people to ditch IE and install Mozilla. The tabbed browsing, pop-up remover, ad killer add-on, speed, and not being integrated into windows in addition to being open source make this the best browser I have ever seen.
Internet explorer can suck it!
Maybe Bill Gates will have an attack of kindness and decide to spend one of Microsoft's 40 billion on fixing all the bugs in Windows XP. .... Nah, probably won't happen.
And yet in that post Linux is not mentioned once. Not even indirectly. Do you even know what Mozilla is?
good idea, but can i ask that you allow download of the components separately? e.g. the browser, mail client etc... that would save me downloading a whole 9mb just to check out the browser.
Already?
:)
Don't You Have Any Compasion For ISP? FTP servers??
Those Pesky OSS developers just do not know how to preserve precious bandwith for us, pr0n adicts
Good Job.
The 1.0 release is as of tody my official browser at work. (I use nightly build for linux at home since 1998).
P.S.: Happely posted from Mozilla 1.0 (Admitly boronex browser, because your server is to loaded. I will get the binaries later today).
assert(expired(knowldege)); core dump
Thanks so much guys. I started out over a year ago using the binaries for linux. Then I started grabbing source code. Then I started grabbing source off of cvs, for both 1.0.0+ and 1.0rcX.
Absoloutly fantastic product people, keep it up. Now that the API is frozen, it's going to be very interesting watching all the nifty tools roll out.
Open source rocks.
-- Note: If you don't agree with me, don't bother replying. I won't read it.
"Is going to become"? It already is...consider this cost breakdown I posted over the weekend. For my hypothetical low-end machine (which isn't even as low-end as you can go), Win2K accounts for more than a fifth of the system cost. It's the most expensive item in the list. If you leave the monitor out of the list and consider just the computer and what goes into it, 27.3% of the cost is for Win2K. (You could get Win98, WinMe, or XP Home for less, but Win98's a bit long in the tooth and WinMe and XP (any version) blow chunks.)
20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
When you open in a new tab/window you're removing the referer. You're not linking from /. anymore. Hence, it works.
In Soviet Russia...michael would be rotting in Siberia!
Hey. Using the new release on OS X, I was wondering how I could open a folder of bookmarks, automatically, in different tabs...would sure make morning surfing alot easier. The folders are on my toolbar, and are like 'news' with cnn, slashdot, fox, google news and such...If I could somehow open them all at once, in different tabs, well, that'd be heaven.
:-)
Also, this is the first Moz I've tried on my new iBook, and it certainly renders faster than IE or OmniWeb. AAMOF, Slashdot loads considerably faster.
Nice work. I'll try to make myself get used to it, as it seems alot more polished than I expected.
I have not downloaded Mozilla 1.0 yet, but I do have RC3 installed on this Ultra5/270Mhz/512Mb .
While this monster is by no means a speed demon, Mozilla is so slow it is unusable. Takes 30 seconds to start up, 1-2 seconds to register a click. The rendering of pages is fine, but everything else is really, really slow.
Netscape4.7, on the other hand, is fine. Not fast, but perfectly usable.
I also use Mozilla all the time on a Win98 & RH7.2 (Dual boot/366Mhz/512Mb), and it's way way FASTER then Netscape4.7.
Why is Mozilla so slow on Solaris?
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
Grab it from here: http://www.alfordot.com/e/p/cdn/orbit3/
I've been using Mozilla for over 2 years, and have been happy ever since. The innovation and dedication of this project is mind-blowing, and just goes to show what powerful things can be created when we all work together.
Great work team moz.
I think the old saying Rome wasn't built in a day, should now be changed to Mozilla wasn't built in a day.
Our congratulations. ^^
An amazing accomplishment in development, to say the least. In case any of the developers are reading, here is a copy of our e-mail sent to mozilla.org this morning:
"On behalf of Heavy Cat Multimedia Ltd. I would like to offer our congratulations on your spectacular success in software development. We have been developing with Mozilla for almost three years now, and we have been consistently impressed with its progress. Developing for Mozilla is a joy for which we are very grateful.
Once again, ometedou gozaimasu!"
Enjoy the parties!
I am spray painting my Barney suite Red right now. My buddies are out tapping the keg. We looking forward night of illegal plugin injections and reloads woohoo. Stop by if you like.
~~Some people never go crazy what truly horrible lives they must lead.~~ Charles Bukowski
Thanks! The http download worked for me at about 140kb/sec.
-Lucas
Mozilla can't beat IE at everything, so don't get a case of fanaticism just yet. :)
Not Found The requested URL /pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.0/mozilla-win32 -1.0-stub-installer.exe was not found on this server.
Anyone with a recent JDK/JRE installed already has the plugin for Mozilla/Netscape and does NOT need to install this package!
o ji140.so (for Linux at least).
I don't know why the installer does not do this automatically if it detects Java, but all you have to do is go to the Mozilla plugins directory and make a symbolic link to the plugin. In the case of JDK 1.4, the plugin resides in ${JAVA_HOME}/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_
In Windows, in some directory that looks like that, there are some dll's you can copy to the Mozilla plugins' folder to make the Java plugin work.
Marcelo Vanzin
Could someone please explain why the Redhat 7.x RPMs that are distributed still dont support TrueType fonts (and therefore no anti-aliasing) ?
Might I expect an official Redhat RPM of Mozilla 1.0 released sometime soon with full TrueType support and antialiased fonts? It looks so nice!
I would love to download Moz 1.0 (as I have every build since .09). However, every single Linux link (tar.gz, RPM, etc.) immediately responds with:
/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.0/mozilla-i686- pc-linux-gnu-1.0-sea.tar.gz was not found on this server.
The requested URL
Nor can I connect to the ftp site.
Hmmm, the Windows and Mac links are the same.
What gives?
In principle, can't it be replaced by a web page with radio buttons that say "do you want your download to include/exclude $FOO, $BAR, $BAZ", and upon clicking "submit", give you a page with the corresponding packages/zips/tarballs/whatevers?
To an extent, RealPlayer did this (small, medium, and large downloads), and AOL's Winamp still does. Any more than a S/M/L scheme, and you have to store 2^n packages on the server, one for every possible subset of the n components. Or you get a set of separate zip files, which is hard for the average point-and-drool user to install correctly.
Good AOL products: Mozilla and Winamp. Bad AOL products: AOL and DMCA.
Will I retire or break 10K?
My boss wants the lizard, so I don't get sacked.
Just about any open mirror will make my day
and then the Lizard may be here to stay!
Should I quit my day job and become a poet???
A really fantastic job, first time I go back to check and all the web's down on that site.
[Not going to run a promo-troll on my stuff yet.]
Sorry I haven't been able to catch up with latest stories, have been very busy on several things.
I offer you the greatest congrats for finally getting there, It's a great day for competition with the umbrella corporation.
- Kaos games and encryption systems developer
What's that supposed to mean??????
I don't mean to deprecate your efforts, but I think this "Mozilla isn't about producing an end-user product" idea has always been wishful thinking--and is becoming less plausible every day. Mozilla is clearly destined to become the prominent browser in the free software community and the web development community, and a popular browser among computer users at large.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea in principle to separate the development of the engine and the finish; I just don't see how it can happen in this case. The core features and the user interface of a browser are not separable enough. In order for Mozilla to produce a browser for testing purposes going to want it to be a good user interface. The evidence bears this out: users file usability bugs in bugzilla, the developers take them seriously, and as a result, vanilla mozilla has an overall better user interface than any earlier Netscape browser.
The Mozilla developers seem to agree on the value of a reference user interface, in order to prevent excessive variation in the interfaces of derived products. For example, they insist upon limiting the number of user-configurable variables, which would not make sense if they were only about the basic technologies. In order for their reference interface to be credible, they have to invest resources in usability. The way I see it, the "reference interface" position amounts to a committment to an end-user product, even if they don't realize or admit it.
On top of this, Mozilla already has all the visibility in the free software and web development communities. If Mozilla refuses to provide an end-user product, it will mostly create user confusion. Mozilla has all the developers. Mozilla has all the infrastructure. It only makes sense for Mozilla to do the last 10% and provide an end-user product. Maybe someday beonix or galeon or someone else will overcome this barrier (just as GTK and QT have finally displaced athena as free widget sets for X), but it will take a long time.
Of course, in some markets, vanilla Mozilla won't be the king. Among Joe PC, it will a Netscape or AOL branded version. Users of embedded systems will get whatever modified version their manufacturer included. But even the popular computer press reviews Mozilla, so the message that it is not for end-users doesn't seem to have gotten through. And among the slashdot demographic, Mozilla is it. Let's face it: how many of us will download Mozilla 1.0 to "test" it? Most of us want to use it! Mozilla is already a great end-user browser, and will keep getting better.
The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
Heh. I was looking to download Mozilla with IE when IE crashed... Ah, sweet irony. :)
Macintosh humor! MacComedy.com
I can put one together myself, but I'm not certian what the best (most easily understood) directory structure would be... Perhaps something like this:
- Root
- Linux
- Suse
- Redhat
- ...
- BSD
- FreeBSD
- NetBSD
- ...
- Windows
- Source
- DOCS
I'd like to have something burnable by next Wednesday for the Ann Arbor Destroyed by Mozilla party...-Adam
June 5th 2002 - Mozilla 1.0 Released
Roughly, about 4.5 years.
Well, with 390+ comments posted already, this one probably won't even be seen, but there's something I need to say.
WOOOO-HOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Thank you, mozilla.org and everyone else who contributed to this project! Now - let's party like it's 9.9.9!!!
If all the world's a stage, anyone who says they want better lighting spends far too much time in a dark theatre.
It seem like a link is missing from the mirror list, :-
Here is the missing mirror
http://ikhlas.com/mirror/mozilla-1.0.0
-- Hasbullah bin Pit (sebol)
Well, the last time that I downloaded Netscape, that it was a 10 meg download and that it beat every other browser was a long time ago! But they're back!!! I'm so impressed! Keep it up!
there's no place like ~
one US mirror has mozilla-1.0 on it site and is currently giving me the maximum download my IDSL line's bandwidth will allow.a 1.0/
 
The mirror is:
 
ftp://archive.progeny.com/mozilla/releases/mozill
 
This seems to be the only one that has it at the time of this posting.
 
I am the penguin that codes in the night.
Not trolling, but you do realize the Willam F. (?) Gates foundation donates millions and millions of dollars to charities each year... Gates' has a lot of things you can flame him for, not being kind isn't one of them...
In order for Mozilla to produce a browser for testing purposes going to want it to be a good user interface.
should be
In order for Mozilla to produce a browser for testing purposes, it has to have a user interface. As long as it has a user interface, people are going to want it to be a good user interface.
The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
I am using an applet in mozilla right now. I do have the java plugin installed, so maybe you can try that. Honestly, I'm exactly sure why I need the plugin, but hey, it works.
I suppose I'm not too threatening, presently, but wait till I start Nautilus
I use Mozilla in Windows.
I realize this is a very trivial issue, but does anyone know if they're planning to enable the Back/Forward buttons on my mouse for use in Mozilla? I recently switched over from using IE full-time (I really like the tabbed browsing), but this is the only real caveat I have, despite it not being a really big deal.
Any help or info anyone could give would be appreciated. Thanks.
Mozilla has several (around 3500) unconfirmed bugs, most of them seam to be gone since a long time or dups, but we need some help to get through them - just ask on irc.mozilla.org #kill-unco and read there: http://sucs.org/~sits/mozilla/unco/
Today in the news Mozilla has been shown to be decreasing by 99% of 0.0001% leading experts in the field to believe that Mozilla is, in fact, dying. Richard Stallman, founder of the upstart Free Software Foundation was quotae as saying, "It's GNU/Mozilla damn you GNU/Mozilla!!!!!" Eric Raymond was reached for comment but he shot both of our journalists dead proclaiming, "Git offa mah propherty you city boy!" Cmdr. Taco and Hemos were unavailable for comment as they are currently in an undisclosed location doing ungodly things to CowboyNeal who by all accounts, has been dressed up in a leather and latex montage and forced to consecrate with small asian monkeys.
In other news Linus Torvalds, founder of the Loonix software movement was found chastising pigeons in a NYC subway earlier today. He claimed they were in it with the queers. Bill Gates commented, "That's what happnes when you do not charge for your product, dimentia sets in and *WHAM!* you're gone." He then added, "Besides 640k should be enough for anybody."
Yeah and if somebody makes a little nursery rhyme about how Lunix is dead he gets bitchslapped. Or mozilla, slashdot, bsd, etc etc ad infinitum.
Mod me down, you're proving my point.
Its the thing that pisses me off most that they
are not capable to get Sun to contribute
binaries for 2.6 and 8. But maybe that is just
Sun's way of telling us to finally give up
Solaris entirely and switch to Linux...
That's a bug in Galeon: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59572. Mozilla used to have this bug as well, but it was fixed in 0.9.9.
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
Ha. I don't think Stile ever made any secret of the fact that he was a sell-out. It just took him a while to get enough traffic to justify porn banners everywhere.
I've found a working and up-to-date mirror in korea... ftp://linux.sarang.net/.4/ftp.mozilla.org/pub/ All versions included ! - friedrich - http://theemessiah.free.fr
"On weekends, to let off steam, I participate in full-contact origami."
If you followed the project for so long then you would know the answer to your question.
IE was passed by Mozilla in terms of functionality ages ago.
In Soviet Russia...michael would be rotting in Siberia!
Are you aware of how much money that shrew of a man has? Percentage-wise, he gives next to nothing.
Send your friends messages of love at fuck-you.org
You're using Mozilla, and that splash screen has been there for the past year.
If you want the "Professional browser" then you're looking for Netscape 7 (with ad-branding and all).
The Mozilla project went out of their way to allow you to mod the splash screen (like you did) so let's not go nuts and claim that the browser is unprofessional because the splash screen isn't "pretty enough".
If you're sick of that curly, blue lizard icon that appears on EVERY window, try installing the icons found here:
http://www.grayrest.com/moz/resources/icons.shtml
They're nice looking, and more importantly, I can now differentiate between the browser windows and the mail windows...
Supposedly these and other icons are available from the following page, but it's really slow right now for me...
http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/icons.html
"And like that
Yah I can understand your problems. All I can do is tell you that my entire office uses Win2k, and I'm the guy who has to fix the machines when they break. I personally have 3 machines I use actively to do things like use the web and I don't have the problems you describe.
:)
I understand I can't change your mind, and that's cool. I thought I'd at least share with you what my experience is so you understand I'm not just throwing around MS marketing lines.
"Derp de derp."
And MozillaNews.org and their article Lies, damned lies and MozillaQuest.
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
I give credit to Melinda, personally - she's obviously got a fine head on her shoulders.
Pretty fine shoulders, too, come to think of it.
and THANK YOU!
I would like to thank the developers who have made it possible for me to have a responsive, fast, and non-memory hogging webbrowser for both OS X (Especially!) and my other FreeBSD machine.
:) (and heck, much better than the milestones i tried out a year ago too :)
IE was so slow and cludgy it took forever to get anything done, and Netscape 6 in all it's glory just used too much CPU and Memory to get anything done. This launches quickly, and does everything i want it to! Great Job
Not to knock the damn hard work, but wheres the spell checker?
I switched to Mozilla Email, and theres no spell checker. Wasnt is suppose to be released in 1.0? Humm, maybe I can steal netscape 7.x spell checker.
If they didn't want to be a mirror, why is there site on the Mozilla mirrors site?
I have a copy at my company as well but I won't publish it to the world, because I'M NOT A MIRROR.
-- You can't idiot-proof anything, because they're always coming out with better idiots.
I just wish that bug #58554 would be fixed so that I can have use xv as my helper aplication for images. Why this is listed as an RFE and not a bug is beyond me. If you configure Mozilla to use "xv" as the helper application for MIME type "image/gif" and it continues to render the GIF inside the browser window, it's clearly a bug, and an annoying one at that! It's the only thing keeping me from switching from Netscape 4.x to Mozilla.
I still wish that the Windows build had the "red dinosaur head" icon rather than the "blue gekko-creature" icon -- IIRC, the Linux builds have the red icon, why not the Windows builds?
;-) ).
Not that this is a huge deal -- I've used Moz since 0.7 and now it is my default browser on both Linux and Windows XP... but still, I think the dinosaur head icon would look better -- especially when it's enlarged and put at the top of the start menu as your default web browser in XP (which should be its placement on every Windows computer some day
Or at least the ability to choose between the two.
To the mozilla team!
.
Thank you for the BEST DAMN WORK, Mozilla! I believed in the project back 98 and I believe in the project now. .
Thank you for everything!
I am not impressed. I give a greater percentage of my salary to charity and I bet most people do too. Bill G handing out a million is like me gving a homeless guy a buck.
War is necrophilia.
I would like to extend my thanks and congratulations to the mozilla team for bringing the best browser ever yet to the world :)
Also, please don't drink and drive. Ask a sober friend for a drive, sleep on your friend's sofa, call a taxi, but let's keep this a very happy day :)
The official Mozilla RPMs for RedHat 7.2 are still built without TrueType font support. If you care for decent fonts on your screen, here is a build with freetype2 enabled:0 -freetype2
http://nil.ics.uci.edu/~gal/download/mozilla-1.0.
Thanks for all the hard work!
Actually, what it really means (though this is not explicit in the release notes) is that you can't share a profile between mozilla 1.0 and existing versions of netscape. I read elsewhere (maybe in the FAQ?) that this will be doable in future netscape builds (i.e. ones based on moz1.0). Also, from the bug report, which you rather unfairly neglected to quote:
The 1.0 relnote for this bug is good but not enough. The solution should be that
Netscape creates its own registry.dat and doesn't touch Mozilla's. That should
be done for the next major Netscape release, or there will be a lot of users
with profile corruption caused by sharing profiles between Netscape and Mozilla.
That could lead to user frustration.
It sounds like it is actually a problem with current netscape builds.
...time to clean up ;)
Champagne bought with what money from their free, open source browser?
Aw, c'mon. How do you know how much he gives? Cursory google search turned up that Bill Gates is the greatest philanthropist in American history. At the very least,in 1999, he made what is believed to be the largest ever individual donation to charity..
I don't like his business practices, but as a philanthropist I don't think he deserves the scorn. (And, quite frankly, I don't care what his motivations for giving are either. The world would be better off if people always did the right thing for the wrong reasons, rather than the other way around.)
-- Will quantum computers run imaginary-time operating systems?
Can't anything be done to fix it?
Well for a start, this is a browser where themability is built into the lowest to the highest levels. If you fancy fixing something in the XUL descriptions to make something behaviour in a more intuitive fashion for you, it can be done. There are different graphics available if you don't like the modern theme, and now the APIs are frozen, you can expect there to be more on the way.
Or maybe you mean like Galeon for those with Gnome. Or maybe Skipstone which is just GTK+ based? Or K-meleon if you are on Windows? There are projects galore out there playing with the Moz codebase.
You can plug almost any GUI you want on the front of the Gecko rendering engine. A lot of the projects listed above have been done to improve the connectivity between the Gecko engine and other related parts of the UI environment - imagine Bonobo-integration of the Gecko engine to provide a central, capable HTML engine for all GNOME components..
So if you don't like the UI, you can fix it at many levels. For me, it works fine.
Cheers,
Toby Haynes
Anything I post is strictly my own thoughts and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the opinions of IBM.
Not that I terribly care to use IE6.
Just to clarify though, PNG alpha channels are still fucked and require a work around for IE6 to work properly.
Apparently you've never used AOL. The normal means for web browsing (and this is all most AOL users use) is the mshtml control (IE) embedded in the AOL client window.
The change in AOL 7 will be that Gecko (Mozilla) is embedded there rather than IE.
No clicking on 'e' or (admittedly) stupid-looking lizards involved.
Now, it IS true that AOL users aren't all going to magically upgrade to AOL 7 once it comes out.
DNA just wants to be free...
Congrats to the Moz team, it looks great!
*Fortitudo, aequitas, fidelitas.*
From what I've seen of Mozilla, I really like it. However there are some quirky things with assessability through a speech recognition program that makes it a bit more difficult to use. One of the big issues is that bookmarks are not recognized by the speech recognition interface. Another nice feature that would really hope the assessability is the feature of being able to browse a link by saying the link name.
One of the things that I would like to say about the access Mozilla project is that they seem to have a clue that assessability is important. The open office group downgraded the complaint that even basic menu functionality is not visible to speech recognition software from a bug to a feature request. However until Mozilla works just as well with existing speech recognition software as Internet Explorer interacts with existing speech recognition software I'm not going to use Mozilla on a regular basis.
No SVG build? No more nightly builds hosted on ftp.mozilla.org? What's an SVG fiend to do?
C'mon, Mozilla. What's up?
and i'm sure Microsoft will hire another analyst group to dig up dirt on it
Wow. You must really have a problem with people who give stuff away. Why the bitterness at "free" software?
*Fortitudo, aequitas, fidelitas.*
You do know they still have the Modern theme right? View > Apply Theme > Modern
-bZj
.sig
Potentially, 30,000,000 ppl could be using Mozilla, since AOL has been testing it. And Everyone who uses Netscape 6/7 sees Mozilla.
So, 95% of the world might be close, but not 95% of the online world would be WAY off.
-bZj
.sig
So, does that mean that Mozilla 1.0 will identify itself as "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Mozilla/1.0)"?
That's completely straightforward and reasonable, and will never confuse anyone...
Don't make fun of my speling, english is my 2nd language...
what mathers in the end is
What does this have to do with Eminem (aka Marshall Mathers)? ... Oh, you mean s/mathers/matters/.
does this web page load.
First, before you can have a web page load, you have to have a web page to begin with. If you put some content up on AOL's proprietary system, would it be a "web page"? Does Flash served up through HTTP count as a "web page"? And if you made some content available through HTTP in Microsoft's proprietary mark-up language (which happens to look similar to HTML), would it also count as a "web page"?
There has to be some definition of a "web page". You may choose "web page" as it's defined by the documentation on MSDN, with VBScript, ActiveX, and the like. I'd rather define "web page" using the W3C specification of HTML and related technologies (CSS, ECMAScript, DOM, PNG, etc).
now that would be a good way for all of you whiners saying that IE is bugriden to prove to the world that you are better than Microsoft and implement their features correctly
And end up in court for violating patents owned by Microsoft Corporation. Microsoft's latest patent licenses specifically exclude any software licensed under the GNU GPL (part of the tri-license covering most of Mozilla).
Will I retire or break 10K?
I just came in my pants.
pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
Quoting Albert Einstein:
"I am absolutely convinced that no wealth in the world can help humanity forward, even in the hands of the most devoted worker in this cause. The example of great and pure characters is the only thing that can produce fine ideas and noble deeds. Money only appeals to selfishness and always tempts its owners irresistibly to abuse it. Can anyone imagine Moses, Jesus, or Gandhi armed with the money-bags of Carnegie?"
From your link...
While Gates has surpassed the Carnegies, Rockefellers and Fords in total dollars given to charity, philanthropic experts say comparisons to givers from the Gilded Age may be unfair.
"Yes, it's more money than anyone has ever put into a foundation," Englehardt said. "Is it a larger percentage of his worth? Probably not." One of the things that makes comparisons to the Carnegies and Rockefellers difficult, explained Englehardt, is that they gave before the income tax, and thus tax deductions, was created.
"In real dollars, it's more than they gave. Relative to what it can do, it's probably smaller than what the Carnegies' or Rockefellers' money could do."
Ellen Lagamenn, a New York University history professor and expert on philanthropy, said comparisons between Gates and the late greats are premature.
"I don't think these comparisons at the moment are very accurate or apt because Bill Gates is at the beginning of his philanthropic life," she said. "We have a whole record for Carnegie and Rockefeller. I think the issue is what Bill Gates is doing and how sensibly he is doing it. It seems to me he is heading in the right direction."
While benefactors such as Carnegie, Mellon and Rockefeller represented the burgeoning wealth arising from oil, steel and railroads, those of the late 20th Century are bearing gifts from the revolutionary age of information technology. And, like Rockefeller, Gates stands accused of being a monopolist.
Gates' $750 million gift to the Global Fund for Children's Vaccines came less than three weeks after United States District Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson ruled that Microsoft used its monopoly power to thwart competition. The ruling was seen as a threat to Microsoft stock, but share prices rebounded after Jackson appointed a federal judge to mediate between Microsoft and the U.S. Department of Justice prosecutors.
In a percentage of total wealth, it's not the same.
Also, many of the "generous" givers - i.e. Standard Oil (Rockafeller) gave very generously to help cover up their image of anti-consumer/anti-competitive greed. So, from that angle, BG fits right in.
Go do some research - most of these scumbags only give to help "reinvent" their image.
Gates may give, but look at the actions of the firm he ran. If you think that'll help re-invigorate his image with me, you been smoking somthing...
So, the origional poster was right! "Bzzzt - you win a years supply of toilet paper..."
Cheers!
love your work!!
Believe with me, my saplings.
satanism
communism
Great release! I would switch completely
to mozilla if there were not an annoying issue
which had been in the bug list for years: in
linux, mozilla still does not open local
files like
mozilla help.html
(galeon does this correctly). While a little wrapper
#!/bin/sh
dir_name=`pwd`;
absolute_filename="file://$dir_name/$1"
mozilla $absolute_filename
can help, I hope this is soon no more necessary.
If Bill Gates wants to be charitable, why doesn't he fix the bugs in Windows XP, and in Internet Explorer (17 and counting)?
The bugs and deliberate shortcomings in Windows XP are causing me lots of grief now, so I'm particularly aware of them. (I have to support my customers.) I haven't been able to find anyone associated with Microsoft who seems interested in fixing them.
Quite likely the bugs are not fixed because some secret agency of the U.S. government like the CIA or the FBI or the NSA wants the bugs. That may be the reason that the government is giving Microsoft such a sweet deal after the company was found guilty of breaking federal law.
The people who own computers are usually the leaders of any society. The huge number of bugs and deliberate insufficiencies slow us in our work. Making a good product would be the best charity for the whole world.
Giving free copies of Windows to people who would not otherwise buy them is cheap charity. (It's just one CD, and their group is allowed to make copies. The cost is in supervising the program.) Also, remember that they are expected to pay normally for upgrades.
Maybe the free software is donated to groups whom the U.S. government wants to watch. It's possible that the U.S. taxpayer supports what the Gates Foundations are doing, not Bill Gates or his father or wife. That is definitely the kind of sneaky behavior in which the U.S. government has engaged in the past. For evidence of this see What should be the response to violence? .
Anyhow, often rich people give money because they want to feel superior, and like to tinker with other people's lives. Don't look only at how much money is spent; look at the effect of the money. Many times a charitable project is, effectively, merely a method of advancing a rich person's hidden agenda.
Do you think that, in some other area of his life, Bill Gates is a nice guy? I don't think it ever works that way. I'm sympathetic to the troubles he has had in his life, but not accepting of his abuse.
NOTE: you can't start the profile manager unless Mozilla is fully shut down.
http://rocknerd.co.uk
Dude, you can use the net-installer builds, that's why they're there :-) Install the browser and PSM (so you can get https://), then install the other bits when you want them.
http://rocknerd.co.uk
We are. On #mozilla ;-)
http://rocknerd.co.uk
... not just for Mozilla and its team, but for OpenSource, the internet itself, as well as the spirit of innovation and entrepreneurship.
This is not just a web browser: it is a platform of its own. When Netscape first came out, Microsoft feared that it would become a platform of its own that would quickly make Windows irrelevant. Mozilla is a proof-of-concept of Microsoft's fear. Its interface is almost identical across operating systems: the browser will look and mostly act the same across Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, Mac, Solaris, etc. This means that a developer can design a web application or site that he can be almost 100% confident will run the same across many different operating systems without having to perform extensive operating-system specific testing. This gives alternative operating systems like Linux a huge advantage, because the developpers of a web application need not explicitly support that operating system.
Mozilla is, IMO, the best web browser out there, even better than IE. The tabbed interface allows me to browse several pages at once in the same Window, a real time saver both as a surfer and a developer. The automatic fill-in of usernames, passwords and form data is a real time-saver. Also, it looks better than any other browser out there: a real eye-pleaser.
Another thing that I hope will happen and that probably won't is a renewal of the browser wars. Microsoft has been getting complascent by not making significant updates or changes to IE other than to impair user functionality (no more native plug-ins or Java included). I would really like Microsoft to have to face browser competition again so that the company once again has to stay on its toes. The end users can only benefit from that.
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You can find some cool add-ons for Mozilla at Mozdev. Among these are: Annozilla, a sidebar tool for annotating websites; Forumzilla, a tool for reading web discussion forums usenet-style; Jabberzilla, a Jabber-client; MozBlog for weblog authors; OptiMoz for mouse gestures, and many many others. Not all of these work with 1.0 yet, though.
How powerful is Mozilla mail on windows? Can it handle 1-2k emails in each folder (inbox, etc) without choking?
Sometimes when I click a link, it open a new browser window. I hate this. Is there any way to make it open a new tab instead of a new window?
The ground doesn't feel cold... the air isn't very cold.... damn, would have thought there'd be more of a temperature change when hell froze over...
Question everything that you've accepted without thinking.
They also have a "simple html" view for mail, which sanitizes incoming html to simple html or plaintext. A cool feature, but to be honest, the rest of the browser looks exactly like mozilla with the modern skin and "beonex communicator" in the titlebar.
Hot hicks do have unusual curves!
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a thousand thousand fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover the earth, and the followers of Mammon shall tremble. from The Book of Mozilla, 3:31 (Red Letter Edition)
FREAK, Beating the SHIT out of defenseless Primates is MY hobby...GET YOUR OWN.
have they fixed this one?
bugzilla 92769
oh who cares. i gave up on moz a long time ago. i really like opera, but more and more i'm just using IE. right now i'm using IE on osX and it's pretty nice.
if they've fixed this bug i might try it.
I have this one (linux) from 6-03-02 nightly build. I'm sure it'll do for a while. Did have a bug however on one of the nightly builds after rc3 that caused a bunch of ? marks to appear in my list of email boxes (the left hand pane). These are testing builds, and errors are expected. Overall I find the Windows version of Mozilla to be the better of the two vs linux version. I'm thinking that they call them the same but they are quite different. As far as Netscape 7.0 goes, I find the linux version to have a strange bug where you can only open it once. If you decide to close NS 7pr1, and then later want to reopen it, nothing happens. (kind of like when the Boss promises you a raise) This bug is not present in the Windows version of NS7pr1. Overall I like Mozilla better than NS 7, it seems to be very well done, and has no serious bugs in either Windows or Linux.
Rapidweather's Linux Screenshots.
One last note. Moderators may not reply to stories they moderate, so they often only moderate stories in which they have little interest. Because of that, moderators often don't follow the entire discussion threads closely.
Therefore, it is probably necessary to explain that this discussion of Bill Gate's charity is VERY much on topic.
The true philanthropists are those who contributed to Mozilla, and those who contribute to other open source projects.
Someone who annoys the whole world with buggy software, so that he can make money, is not a true philanthropist. It matters little if he gives a small part of that money to a worthy cause.
> Do you even know what Mozilla is?
as Spock once said : "...it is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smells bad."
It's nice to see
:)
about:mozilla
is still there
Let me rephrase that and add more detail: the cost of Windows, Office, and third-party commercial software is going to become an intolerably large and unnecessary part of the cost. Some bright people are going to sell computers for cheaper prices by using Open Source/Free stuff, and then they will probably catch on due to the fact that the hardware and stuff is good, and they're CHEAP!
It is strange that booth hoowee and bahtama use the same rarely used Simpson's reference: "Comic Book Guy: "There is no Groening in my store". It is used by hoowee in his sig, and bahtama in this comment. Kind of makes you wonder why this guy likes to have conversation with himself.
A great free tool for uninstalling IE (3-6) from Windows (95, 98, 98SE, ME, & 2000 SR1) is IEradicator which can be found at:
"http://www.litepc.com/ieradicator.html"
It's a nice tool to have in the troubleshooting bag, especially in the IS dept. of a university where all of the students have laptops. Our helpdesk people are extremely happy with it.
It doesn't work on Windows 2000 SR2 or XP because of System File Protection, but you really can't beat it for the price! (unless you install Linux, which has no nasty IE in the first place)
Congratulations and thanks to Mozilla for the great browser!!
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- Sprechen Sie mit der Hand, weil die Ohren nicht hören.
So a few of us have got together to try and make it not suck in an unofficial project.
We have all just started, all new to the code, but if you'd like to help, drop by at www DOT fastcheck DOT org. Not a real URL here to not slashdot the server.
There is nothing to download, it just contains a forum.
Pretty Nice, but the address bar bug is still there from RC2. It doesn't always update to the page it's actually at.
No excellent soul is exempt from a mixture of madness. --Aristotle
Who is the user at madchat who is hosting those pictures? I can't find contact info.
And you want hot chicks? Hand hot chicks a copy of the Unix Administration Handbook, and make yourself avaliable to answer questions. It worked on me.
- Ceren E.,
that daemonette, who just wants to see the photographer's credits BACK on those pictures.
It's funny. Laugh.
A few years ago, I remember posting something on Slashdot about how Mozilla was too little, *way* too late. Netscape was dead, and worse than that, it was kludgy and buggy. IE was, in spite of its faults, the most standards compliant browser out there, and it was hella fast, too.
I really thought Mozilla was doomed. And all those notices on mozilla.org! "Download at your own risk! This software is buggy! It'll probably make your 'puter explode!" It seemed like they didn't even want to succeed.
I've been keeping track of Mozilla since then though, and downloading new versions every so often. Today, I just wanted to take the opportunity to thank the Mozilla team, congratulate them, and apologize to them. I thought you couldn't do it. But you did do it. And you did it well. You've made me a stronger believer in open source than I was before, and you've made a kickass browser, too.
Let the browser wars begin again!
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
Which affects quite a lot of sites -- many web services open and close status windows automatically.
The BugZilla article at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10345
Also, the forthcoming XP service pack 1 will only allow you to remove the icons for browsers, a Reuters article here notes:
So basically, it's nothing new for those of us familiar with deleting shortcuts and running the Mozilla installer.
Anyway, congrats to the Mozilla hackers on getting this far! I can't wait for the next few releases. Another bonus -- now the APIs are frozen, it should make projects like K-Meleon (a light MFC UI for the Moz engine for Win32) a lot easier.
<!-- DHTML / JavaScript menu, popup tooltip, Ajax scripts -->
I've been using Mozilla on and off for a *long* time- Ive stuck with it exclusively since RC1- I wouldn't say the fact that they're calling this "1.0" is anything signifigant. (side note, can *anyone* find the "what's new" from RC3 to 1.0? I sure as hell can't... Anyway- there's still a long way to go- It's still slow in general (anxious to try out Beonex at home). The Flash and Java performane is *horrendous*- And it doesn't render many sites "correctly"- Yes- I put "correctly" in quotes because I'm fully aware that the offending sites probably aren't rendering correctly because they're not entirely standards-compliant... But who cares? Do "standards" matter when you're on a crashing plane? Hell no- you use what you have around you and make the best of it. Making Mozilla "standards compliant" at the expense of ill rendering only hurts it. Hey guess what- Forget about the "standards", IE by virtue of market share has *become* THE standard. Mozilla should render to that, not some worthess pieces of paper... Oh- and if you'd like a lovely reference site for Mozilla's deficiencies- hit up my favorite site in Mozilla: http://www.consumptionjunction.com (Make sure you have the flash plugin) a) notice it doesn't render correctly at all b) notice the animated ad on the left (the flash one) So when I watch the movies there, I go to the "movies" tab and then open each movie in a new tab (in the background) and then go through each tab and download the movie, then close the tab. Do this and watch your CPU bog heavily as each tab has that embedded flash ad in it, churning away whether you can actually see it or not. Then do the same thing in IE...
I browse at +5 Flamebait- moderation for all or moderation for none.
If 200K is so painful to download, what do you want a web browser for anyway?
I mean, I really like mozilla's page rendering and such, it's pretty fast and all that. I really really really want to get away from microsoft. I'm very impressed that they pulled off the hard stuff. But the only reason I stick with IE for most of my browsing is for two really simple things that mozilla refuses to offer as preferences (but IE did right the first time):
1) "New Navigator Window" as it is is utterly useless. If it did like IE, and opened a new window on the current page with the current history, it would be infinitely more useful than something that just emulates the icon on my desktop (opening a new browser at the default page, with no history). The power in forking the history is immense. Ok maybe an exaggeration but I use it many times a day and curse loudly when it is not there.
2) "View source" should go to the editor of your choice (notepad is just fine with me).
The utility of these two things is so obvious I can't believe they don't include them at least as an option. If there is a way to get this preference, I'd like to hear it, but I sure don't see it.
1.0 has been released. Development now stops for a week while everyone pisses it up and trys out their headache cures. Not that this is a bad thing :)
Nerd: Derogatory term typically directed at anybody with a lower Slashdot ID than you.
Nice try, but I know damn well there are tons of women at Umich look younger than her. Oh, and all those links were broken. But of the actual pictures that exist on that page, only one or two show a woman I'd call obviously older than BSD Babe.
The enemies of Democracy are
mozilla isn't catching up to ie as of two years ago cause two years ago IE sucked even more than it did today :P IE sucked serious ass as of 3.0 and 4.0 was a regrouping effort and ya it won most of the market share but does that make it right :P
I can't speak for anyone but myself but I never ran it :P
This book chapter from O'Reilly's OpenSources book captures the spirit of Mozilla really well:
Freeing the Source: The Story of Mozilla
No, the Mozilla port on OpenBSD is still broken at the moment. It has been like that for a pretty long time.
I dug around for contact info at madchat, too, Ceren - couldn't find anything.
/.'ed right off the net. So short term, the whole damn http server is shut off so I can enjoy dinner with my wife and kid. And when I do bring the server back up, those pix are going to be blocked. Hope you all got 'em before they disappeared. You'd think people would like to the HTML page, rather than the JPGs directly - I actually spent some time writing the damn article that was wrapped around those pix.
/.) /. effect...
And thanks a lot, Anonymous Coward, for linking directly to those images. Jerk. Totally wiped out my little 768/768 DSL line - NullDevice.Net hadn't had ANY traffic in forever, and now all of a sudden, I'm
Well, in all of this, there's a couple of lessons to be learned:
1) If you are going to post pix of shapely ladies on your site, sooner or later, expect to get hammered. (Those pix have been up for over two years, and never been hit like today. All glory to
2) If you've taken said action, check the webserver logs before troubleshooting your hardware. I replaced the NIC in the machine, removed a hub, switched ethernet cables, and logged into the DSL router at my ISP (I'm a part-time admin there) before I realized that it wasn't any of those - it was the
And Ceren, sorry for the comments some of those people said above. Very juvenile behavior, you'd think people would know better.
- WildBill
Can we make they 'greyed out' menu items more 'grey'?
They look like my eyes r going blurry rather than being disabled items.
Oh I'm sorry, I just had to take the opportunity. Our beloved moz can take a joke eh? Good work on a kick arse application, nay platform.
Now if all those web developers can get their browser detection scripts right I'll stop seeing "upgrade your old version" messages and hopefullly (fingers crossed) manage to avoid being offered a link to microsoft.com.
Ya. If you make 5-6 bucks an hour and you send 30% to the government you go from not having enough to live on to being fucked beyond belief. if someone who makes 30 million a year loses 66 to the gov. and only gets 10 mil well hell the the more power to them to stick their nose at me. And you know it wouldn't be bad if I could say that 2 bucks an hour which is my fair share could go to say the military or cancer research but no it gets sent to the law enforcement who throw me in jail for smoking marijuana. It's this kind of setup which makes me want to say unspeakable things and the very least of which are FUCK YOU YOU GOAT FUCKING SENATORS REPRESENATIVES AND POLICEMEN.
"it shouldn't be as bloated and resource intensive as Photoshop."
Why not? Its dynamically scaling images, dithering, optimizing palettes, mundging in widgets, throwing on some stylesheets which may or may not cascade with their freaky transparency and glow effects, layers, inline-frames, parsing tons of shit javascript, html, css, handling plugins and still spitting out something viewable in realtime...
sounds as complicated as photoshop to me.
Interactive Visual Medical Dictionary
1.0 is finally here!
This is higher then the number of working mirrors I found.
Offtopic and a bit trollish, but I always liked this movie...
shows the following as a boxscore for mozilla.
CNET rating: 7
The good: Fast; stable; free; includes full-featured e-mail client.
The bad: Incompatible with some sites built for Internet Explorer; chat client doesn't work with the big commercial IM systems, including ICQ, Yahoo IM, AOL IM, and Windows Messenger.
The bottom line: Until Netscape 7 comes out, Mozilla is the best free alternative to Microsoft IE. And it's faster, to boot.
Y'know, when the only bad things they can say about your browser is
1)it is standards-compliant; and
2)no, IRC does not work with AIM
then I think you've done a pretty damn good job. Congratulations!
I've been getting CRC errors on both the full install and the net install, both at my work and home PCs (Win2000 and Win98). So, will this be fixed before mortal folks simply give up on the download and keep using IE???
Does anyone know if there is a Linux build of 1.0 that uses a contemporary version of QT instead of GTK?
I need anti-aliasing, damnit!
-Peter
Mentioned almost nowhere: if you want to add custom search engines to your sidebar, there's the mycroft project. http://mycroft.mozdev.org/ Any contributions welcome!
No, it wasn't. Read this and notice the nesting.
± 29 dB
Seriously, when 35,000,000 AOL users switch to Mozilla/Netscape/Gecko/whatever when AOL 8.0 comes out we are going to see a browser war the likes of which the world has never seen. I can hardly wait. It's gonna be awsome.
/me grins evily
:)
We're going to make information free Mr. Anderson, whether you like it, or not.
IIRC, one of the requirements for the 1.0 release was that the Gecko engine would be in a seperate library. This would mean, for example, that Galeon would now only require installing libgecko (or whatever), rather than a full Moz install. Is this still in the plan, and has 1.0 achieved it?
- Mr. Prosser said, "You were quite entitled to make any suggestions or protests at the appropriate time, you know."
(From "Hitchhiker's Guide To the Galaxy")"Appropriate time?" hooted Arthur. "Appropriate time? The first I knew about it was when a workman arrived at my home yesterday. I asked him if he'd come to clean the windows and he said no, he'd come to demolish the house. He didn't tell me straight away of course. Oh no. First he wiped a couple of windows and charged me a fiver. Then he told me."
"But Mr. Dent, the plans have been available in the local planning office for the last nine months."
"Oh yes, well, as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or anything."
"But the plans were on display..."
"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."
"That's the display department."
"With a flashlight."
"Ah, well, the lights had probably gone."
"So had the stairs."
"But look, you found the notice, didn't you?"
"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display on the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard.'"
Grrr mumble grumble....
you can download Mozilla 1.0 for
- Windows
- Linux
- FreeBSD
- BeOS (only 1.0 RC2 at the moment)
from http://bezip.de
Ciao,
Sebastian
Wow! Some are really trying hard to get MSN users to switch to Mozilla/Netscape. Found two communities:
IE to Mozilla
This place is for helping people migrate from the IE browser to the open source Mozilla browser for a much better surfing experience. The web is easy, you just need the right tools. We show you how.
http://communities.msn.com/IEtoMozilla/home.htm
Netscape - Mozillat m
The is a community to talk about Netscape & Mozilla all versions.
http://communities.msn.com/NetscapeMozilla/home.h
Or maybe you mean like Galeon [sf.net] for those with Gnome. Or maybe Skipstone which is just GTK+ based? Or K-meleon [sourceforge.net] if you are on Windows? There are projects galore out there playing with the Moz codebase.
Even Mozilla uses GTK+ on linux. This is the compile message I received when trying to do a festive compile of Mozilla:
checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.0... no
*** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found.
*** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
*** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
*** full path to gtk-config.
*** GTK+ is available from ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk
configure: error: Test for GTK failed.
And this when using the options
But don't get me wrong. I'm very happy 1.0 is here.
Did you notice the fireworks on the start page?
Just hover over the parties link.
DNA is the ultimate spaghetti code.
The problem with "linux_chick4" is that she hasn't yet upgraded to v2.4.
She's therefore too old for me.
God save our Queen, and Heaven bless The Maple Leaf Forever!
Cross platform, thats what mozilla is able to, what IE ca't. You can use Mozilla on windows, unix, linux, and the MAC!.
Archiving such is not an easy thing to do.
I'm very happy to have good a decend browser on linux.
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Karma 50, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt.
Isn't it possible to install Mozilla so that it can replace IE as an Active-X provider for many programs?
Anyone know how I go about changing the splash screen in OS X? I can't find the mozilla.bmp file anywhere on my system using find :(
"ÂÔÕéÇÂÃÑ" :)
...congratulations in Thai.
of course, our lizard is internationalized!
None of the UK or FR mirrors have 1.0 yet, but the IE one does:
ftp://ftp.eunet.ie/mirrors/ftp.mozilla.org/
And it's quick, too.
I had cleaned up my pc and removed references to IE and was encouraging my partner to use moz - she is onboard with the free softeare argument too.
She basically just uses webmail plus a little browsing.
Then one day recently, a bug or flaw of some kind in an update to the website meant that it wouldn't get past her password entry. Tried IE and it was fine. And, just like that, she has used IE every day since.
Things just have to work and when they don't then thats your new perception.
C
I followed steps in 7.5 but it caused M to freeze before starting. In the end I have decided I have to lose the content of the old profile and I am quite relieved to have done that as it has solved a number of issues like hertz.com giving a blank screen before. Luckily I do not use M for mail yet although I would really love to do that when I figure a way to remove the duplicates from OE that were created during a previous attempt to use M for mail.
I amazed that about:mozilla still works. Although it appears that my tags will nolonger blink until the ends of the earth.... :)
"Freedom of speech has always been the abstract red-headed stepchild of the Constitution"
-Suck
Check out ShirtZilla.
Cool funny t-shirts for geeks, gamers and everyone else
Safest method is probably to go to the page with a list of all your files, then restore each thing you want back (mail, bookmarks, etc) to your fresh profile one file at a time. Though I'm loath to write that having not tried it myself.
http://rocknerd.co.uk
It doesn't work on Windows 2000 SR2 or XP because of System File Protection
You can disable the SFP in the registry. =P
I've found a couple of sites (this one in particular) that manage to sneak pop-ups past Mozilla's built in pop-up killer.
It's not a pr0n site - it does movie reviews - and the pop-ups don't always make it through. That is, there's not a specific way that I can tell you to make it happen. Sometimes I see it on the front page, other times it happens while browsing through the reviews. When I get home from work I'll post a screenshot as evidence.
I'm wondering what makes their method work-around unchecking "open unrequested windows."
Has anyone else seen something like this?
-r
Just because something is free does not mean you have to take it.
You hosed that one... It's:
If she's old enough to go to the store, she's old enough to get bread!
(Stolen sig) Remember: it's a "Microsoft virus", not an "email virus", a "Microsoft worm", not a "computer worm
Mozilla doesn't do gopher very well-- for example, it fails to show information tags (a big nuisance): try publication or floodgap in Moz and another browser and see the difference.
GROGGS: alive and well and living in
Along with other posters criticizing this, I'd like to point out that bill gates stole most of that money by taking advantage of his monopoly situation. Some of that money he stole from me, and I haven't had the chance to recover it by lawsuit yet, so by giving it away to charities I don't believe in, he has deprived me of the opportunity to give it to something more important and deserving.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
Slackware-current now has Mozilla 1.0!
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
redundant? ok so i was making fun of a typo. but "hot hicks" is pretty funny, don't you think? anyway, overrated (because of the +1 karma whore bonus) perhaps, but certainly not redundant.
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
When Moz loads, it still has that old, ugly splash screen. I did a little googling and found some much better ones if anybody wants them:
l as h
http://www.lotekk.net/index.php?page=moz&sub=sp
-Ted http://www.freemathhelp.com/
Dollar-wise he has given less than nothing. It's all tax deductible.
Did anyone get java working with it. I downloaded and installed the jre download available from the mozilla download page. But many java applets fail to start up. Any clues?
He gives money to the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation. He donates money to himself. Some of it gets spent, some of it doesn't. He gets to spend it on what he wants, which sounds to me less like donating, and more like buying things you want and earning interest on your own tax write offs!
So you're saying he didn't have to pay taxes on 23 billion dollars, but he only actually had to give away 5 billion? That sounds dishonest to me. It's not particularly clever. Most people know how to cheat on their taxes, it isn't hard to figure out. But even if you can't you can pay an accountant to do it for you.
When you are very rich, you can go to $100,000 a plate political dinner parties. Whether you are passionate about politics or not, its really about 1) spending $100,000 on a party because you can, and 2) buying your way into a social circle.
Donating to the right charities is the same thing. It's what gets you to the right parties, get's your name printed in the right periodicals, and so on. It may seem like a waste of money to you and me, but when you have millions (or billions) sitting around, why not spend a few to satisfy a whim.
If I had 2 billion dollars, I would think nothing of spending a million or two to satisfy a trivial desire.
The world's greatest browser took over four years to be made, and you're complaining? I bet you would have complained that Michelangelo couldn't finish a simple roof painting job overnight.
Some things are just worth waiting for.
Nathan's blog
look at the actions of the firm he ran.
For the six seconds this is viewable before it gets tagged flamebait, I think out-of-work Californian IT folk still have it better than those that are getting the BillG cash.
Microsoft, the RIAA and whoever else might be a terrible problem for those on Slashdot but in the Real World they have done quite a bit to make people's lives better.
- Chris
On the page http://www.mozilla.org/releases/, the download links are broken. They appear to have the wrong filenames, and in addition the files on the FTP server have mispelled names ("install" missing the last "l"). I was able to figure this out but lots of other MacOS users might not - if you value your enthusiastic MacOS fans, get this fixed pronto!
Bug Free does not exist.
Period.
Current testing (software quality assurance) theory holds that it is statistically impossible for someone to find ALL the bugs in a program. The sheer number of combinations makes it infeasible.
Kem Kaner, author of Testing Computer Software, the defacto bible of software testers goes into great detail about this idea.
For example, I DL'd Mozilla 1.0, and have already had it crash twice, and it frequently locks up and won't browse to new addresses.
Bug Free? I don't think so.
Sure MS products have bugs, but so do ALL software, including Linux, and others.
Just a data point to throw out there.
badger
Mozilla isn't even as fast as Netscape according to tests by CNET. So what is the advantage over Opera? Something for /.ers to over-tweak and post their conquests here ? I think I'll get an erection elsewhere.
Your sig here!
Thank you very much for your advice. I've posted this on a dozen different forums, and you're the first person to actully propose a fix (Everyone else made fun of me for using such a slow machine).
:).
It improved the speed of mozilla tremendously.
MozillaRC3 is still a little slower then NS4.7 in some regards (But it is faster in rendering pages, so the speed trade offs are worth it_, but it is completely usable now. As time goes on, I'm sure some developers will introduce some speed tweaks for we Solaris users.
I didn't realize that a slow NFS would impact Mozilla this much. After all, the NS4.7 cache is on the same NFS drive, so I assumed the NFS impact would be similar.
Plus, I was using RC2, which does not have the option "Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Cache->D isk Cache Folder". (RC3 wasn't available on http://www.mozilla.org/releases until a few days ago, and the netadmins don't allow FTP access, so no ftp.mozilla.org for me. So now I'm wating for 1.0 to appear for Solaris users
Once again, thank you very much for your help.
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
as promised.
I know everyone has been waiting with baited breath...
-r
Just because something is free does not mean you have to take it.
This is like saying "Well, they provide jobs" when someone complains about working conditions, sweatshops etc.
Sure, Pimps provide jobs. Hey, infact even, child pornographers provide jobs - but that's obviously a job not worth having. So, that's just a crock.
Simply having done something innovative (which BillG hasn't) or that made someones life easier isn't an escape from your overall actions.
The Mafia creates wealth and ease for quite a few people...but that doesn't excuse how they run their lives.
BillG ran a company that used sharp business deals (think Stacker, think IBM and OS/2, think Sybase etc etc etc...these are only more recent examples) and great marketing (sharp deals are 80% great marketing 20%) along with a monopoly on the OS (what other general use OS was available for PC's from the mid-late 80's to today?) to gain the position they are in now.
You can speculate that this was for the general good of the population. I'll counter that if the market had real transparancy and open-ness, the gains for the consumer would have been even greater. Just as no Mafia would produce greater wealth for all - just not as much for the few... Of course, we'll never know - I just know that eventually, what's moral and ethical is also best for me and you. We'll both do better in the long run.
Cheers!
Yes, but that only works on the same X display. If you have one Mozilla open on, say :0.0, there's
no way to open a new browser window on :0.1, which
I need to do for my monitoring...
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown
I know that here where I work, many "set-in-my-ways" IE users are switching over to Mozilla. Their typical response to finding out about Mozilla: "Pop-up suppression? Where can I download it?"
I think more people care than you think; they have just resolved themselves to using software that is a bit anemic, because that is all they know.
BTW - the Mozilla converts I was referring to are not "Linux Life-Long Losers," as you put it, but Windows users- which illustrates yet another of Mozilla's many strengths.
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- Sprechen Sie mit der Hand, weil die Ohren nicht hören.
OK, so "the calendar is not in the binary builds of 1.0, or in your own builds unless you specifically enable the option" is a more clear statement of the truth. But "the calendar is not in 1.0" says almost exactly the same thing and is less typing.
And it's not a "plugin", in the Flash or Java sense. It's an XPI (cross-platform installable component.)
Gerv
(gerv@mozilla.org, and one of the initiators of the Mozilla Calendar project)