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Wireless Network or Weird Al?
coronaride writes "This article over on Wired discusses the current topic of the FCC's regulation of UHF's (ultra-high frequencies). Apparently, UHF channels 52 through 69 are in danger of being taken over by wireless networking!" Insert your Conan the Librarian or Wheel of Fish
joke here.
Why is CmdrTaco like Conan the Librarian?
.... I don't understand the reference.
They both smell like a Wheel of Fish.
Or something
Mmmmmmm
It's all about the Pentiums, baby
Uhh, uh-huh, yeah Uhh, uh-huh, yeah
It's all about the Pentiums, baby
It's all about the Pentiums, baby
It's all about the Pentiums!
It's all about the Pentiums!
(Yeah!!)
But now it all won't fit! There's no room for U62 without UHF channels 52 through 69!
What does this have to do with the Pentiums?
I'll choose Weird Al any day!
His Pentium song rules.
Who cares, those channels are crappy anyways.
Weird Al? I must be reading that wrong. Weird AI? That's sounds more likely. Okay...read the blurb...Conan the librarian joke? Hey wait, it was Weird AL! Dang it...
Well if you didn't get the reference, you'll just think I'm insulting you :)
rm -rf / is the evil of all root
A friend's mom, Mrs. Weaver, was a contestant on the "Wheel of Fish". What you probably didn't know, but could figure out, is that when you spun the wheel, fish scales and stuff starting flying EVERYWHERE. It was a riot.
PS: I think it was appropriate that the film was shot in Tulsa.
But at least I'll still have Buffy.
--
I don't want to rule the world... I just want to be in charge of mayonnaise.
When it begins to interfere with TV we start complaining. But where was the uproar when wireless networking started interfering with radio astronomy?
If we utitlized the bandwidth more efficiently, (multiplexing) we wouldn't have to shut out anyone. This is just a stalling tactic... probably supported by the phone companies to try to get back some of the money they invested in DSL before wireless takes off and they're out of the picture.
No todo lo que es oro brilla
Karate Master: "And TODAY on Wheel of Fish, what do we have!? Ah! A wireless network! Now....will you keep the wireless network, or will you take what's on...broadcast TV?"
Woman: "I'll take...uh...um..."
[everybody shouting different answers at her]
Woman: "I'll take...broadcast TV!!"
Karate Master: "And now we see...what's on...broadcast TV! What's good that's on...broadcast TV?!"
[hushed pause; they turn on a TV, "Friends" is on]
Karate Master: "NOTHING!! THERE'S NOTHING GOOD ON BROADCAST TV!! STUPID! YOU'RE SO STOOPID!!!"
There's no sig like this sig anywhere near this sig, so this must be the sig.
Like it or not, the FCC does have legal jurisdiction over the airwaves, on the theory that they are a limited resource. Said theory is increasingly becoming untrue as better and better use is made of the airwaves, but it is true that there can only be one station broadcasting on the frequency that matches channel 40 (for example) in a given area. Which means the FCC has every right to demand that these broadcasters make better use of said airwaves - say, by switching to digital broadcasting. One can debate the money (whether the FCC should pay for new broadcast equipment, say), but the broadcasters were told quite some time ago that this was going to happen. Mass disobedience of the law is no reason not to enforce it. (It may indicate something is wrong with the law - see the civil rights protests - but that does not appear to be the case here.)
With all the people willing to shell out money to fight lawsuits over copyright violations, I'm sure we can raise $75,000 by 10pm Friday night.
The Weird All Reffrence is about his song UHF not his Pentiums song... Youg uy can't remember Weird All music from the 80s.... and you still call yourself geeks ;-)
I definitely want the Weird Artificial Intelligence. Sounds like fun ;-)
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
So, we have telecommunications companies crying because the spectrum isn't being auctioned off to them. If I remember correctly, this is the same telecommunications industry that is declaring bankrupcy, asking for loans, not implementing new types/expansions of broadband, etc. Exactly why do they need it and where will they get the money to pay for it? Something doesn't smell right.
"Suppose you were an idiot..... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeate myself."
IMO, though, the FCC shouldn't be requiring that the current spectrum holders go digital. They should change their licenses to empty channels below 52 at no cost, but make the switch manditory. It's malarky like this that makes the FCC a pox on the States.
IP is just rude.
Is there any torture so subl
I don't think this comes as a Supplies to anyone, expanding one and taking over the space of another is normal. The UHF stations have been slowly dieing anyhow
Viva la Cable monopolies!
meep!
"It's not like the broadcasters are getting totally screwed," said Carri Bennet, an attorney representing the Rural Telecommunications Group, a lobbyist for wireless carriers in rural areas.
Partial screwing is fine.
-- My HARDWARE, My CHOICE.
This perhaps is a better question to ask. On one hand, cable tv is ubiquitous, yet there are plenty of television owners who depend on broadcast VHF and UHF stations. Yes, this is only a limited amount of the UHF band, this might be a precursor to more UHF bands, let alone any current wireless/broadcast channels, being overtaken. Later on, we might find ourselves completely dissolving of old but useful technologies just because some techie bureaucrats want a monopoly of their product.
Why can't we create a technology that uses the UHF bands without television interference? History has shown that modifying technology to accommodate backwards compatibility gives way to a successful alternative to both sides. DSL still lets you talk on the phone while you surf, CD's still work in DVD players, and people with black and white tv's can watch a color broadcast (in B&W mind you) without modifying their sets.
All or nothing technologies have prevailed before, but in some regards, it's a lot easier on the consumer if accommodations to current technologies are made.
-Mr. Fusion
Yes, Weird Al did a MOVIE ( yea, I know, kinda hard to believe, huh? )
as has been stated YOU SOOOO STUPID!!! The song is from the MOVIE.
I can't belive all these people reading Slashdot have never seen ( or don't remember ) "UHF". I have lost all respect for you people.
Quick everybody, run out and rent the movie ( sure to be in the cult/b-movie section ) at your local indie video store. I wonder if you can buy the DVD....
er, ok, so maybe it's just the best Weird Al movie ever...
Red Snapper, very tasty. Also good for wireless lan, a little stinky though. Mmmm wireless smellovision!
-Runz
Heh. It always seemed to me that the Spanish-language networks (both TV and radio) had the most powerful broadcasting equipment on the face of this earth. I can pick up a Spanish radio station pretty much anywhere, and the Spanish TV channels are much clearer than any other channels picked up by my antenna. Converting those airwaves to wireless services means I can truly be connected anywhere!
But how many people really use UHF now? The last person I knew personally who used it was my grandma, but that was seven years ago.
Insert your Conan the Librarian or Wheel of Fish joke here.
;)
Of course, all the real UHF fans make their jokes about "Spatula City" or the cut scene of "Oh Those Homos!".
If you haven't seen that last one, I suggest you rent/buy the DVD immediately! It's worth it just for Al's commentary alone!
Expect a sudden burst in popularity of those old grainy Zenith knob TVs we all have sitting in our attics.
I design user interfaces for a free network management application,
Karate Master has a name : Kuni played by Gedde Watanabe. Of course this is all taken from imdb. (end anal rant)
All this because I foolishly bought a copy of the script at a local sci-fi con when I was 14 . . . . Oh the wasted hours!
Why can't anyone release a quality movie anymore?
... They're all junk compared to UHF.
Blade II, Spider Man, Episode II, Minority Report
BTW, is Al still around? What about his Polka-produicng father, Frankie?
If you mised this masterpiece the first time around, here's a review...
Review of UHF
Sen. Hollings wins the "Inane Bill Of The Year" award!!!!!
Applause from audience...
Sen. Hollings gets to drink from the Firehose!!!
Insane cheering from audience...
Outdoor digital photography, mostly in New Engl
I'm sorry, but.... 52-69? Anybody have more than four local UHF stations? Think maybe they could fit all four between 14 and 51?
Comic Book Guy: "There is no Groening in my store."
Stereo Side Band!!! I still listen to stereo FM broadcasts with a mono radio...
How does this effect... Al Frankin?
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
and neither should you!!!
ah... who cares
That auction better give the government a whole lot of money (which they'll probably waste on crap like DMCA enforcement). These are my airwaves, and while I have access to television programming free of charge, I'm sure this high-speed wireless internet access isn't going to be free.
does that mean some guy with an old tv (the kind in a wooden cabinet) can watch my data instead of I Love Lucy reruns?
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What, you mean this is a bad thing
Look,people you'll still be able to watch your favorite shows when personal wireless replaces broadcast, you'll just be doing it differently and perhaps on demand without having to wait for it to be on and set up your video recorder.
You'll just have to know which server to connect your media player to.
They *are* a limited resource. It is not increasingly becoming 'untrue'. It will NEVER be untrue.
They will ALWAYS be a limited resource.
The only thing changing is that we can make more efficient use of them, and have to take a fresh look at how we use them.
Did everyone miss this reference? Wierd Al was in UHF, which included such great things as "Wheel of Fish." It also had a fantastic indiana jones spoof. Classic, simply classic movie.
You won wireless broadband! Mmm, very tasty! Now, you want keep high speed access, or you want try getting HDTV broadcast instead?
HDTV? Turn on set and...
NOTHING! You so stupid!
Let Disney pay for ABC etc. They are so afraid of loosing out due to new technology but never seem to understand that they indeed has gotten something for free for many years. Seem silly to use airwaves for something that is inherent stationary.
Reference MIT's media lab Negroponte's law (1990 or so) states that everything that is now via fixed media need to be wireless and conversely.
Help fight continental drift.
Sure, at only $20-$60/month, and without those pesky regulations that go along with broadcast TV.
frequency spectrum issues, or RF signal noise
problems, etc like RF based home/biz systems.
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Insert your Conan the Librarian or Wheel of Fish joke here.
I would never resort to such a blatant, cheap attempt at humor. Now if you'll excuse me I must go drink from the fire hose.
UHF(ultra low frequency) doesn't work well around tall buildings (like in manhattan). Low frequency microwaves don't like to go through concrete and steel. You get a signal sure...but it's ghosty as hell. That's why it's used for radio in your area. The signal isn't good enough to carry video, but can carry voice OK. VHF(very high frequency) takes a lot more crete 'n steel to block. Since LA has sprawl and not tall, they can get better use out of the UHF band (more people can recieve).
UHF is now on DVD.
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How else am I to get my nightly A-Team and Knight Rider fixes? Not to mention Air Wolf!
A few years ago in the Detroit area, Fox acquired VHF channel 2 as an affiliate. This left CBS without a network affiliate in Detroit until they bought UHF channel 62 on board, upgrading the power on the transmitters and everything.
As an aside, channel 62 now shares a studio with channel 50, the local UPN affiliate.
Which just amuses the hell out of me, because it means I get to drive past the U-62 offices every day!
This whole "take the UHF and VHF stations and cut them up" is the entire purpose for HDTV.
You see, the FCC under the Clinton administration (although, admittedly it sounds like a Republican plan, but yes, it was the Clinton administration) wanted to take all of the non-military band and sell it off to cell phone companies and the like to make money for the government. This new taking of outside bandwidth is just Plan B after the fact that the FCC is a bunch of morons and couldn't anticipate that the cell phone industry would find a good compression scheme for the next gen of phones in under six years.
"But I thought the whole RF spectrum was the property of the people?" Someone muses in the back.
"Not when there is someone getting paid," moaned all of the broadcast engineers that had to invest MILLIONS into a non-standard "standard" that has yet to be decided... and costs the end user way too much for the promise of better TV (but not really for most people, because HD signals are so big they have multipath reception problems. Meaning this: you might have a tough time getting a HD signal anyway, at the least it is much more difficult than getting a standard analog signal, and especially in a city).
By the way, some television stations have to broadcast right now in HDTV. Unfortunately, the FCC has yet to decide what the hell that standard should be in the USA. But then again, why should the FCC decide? They (the FCC) have been getting lobster dinners, hot lobbyists, and secret funds jerking around corporate Japan (because NONE of the HD patents are owned by US companies) for years being "indecisive" about the standard. Of course, all of this added expense and lack of vender competition has made all of the local television stations that are privately owned go "belly up." TV stations are FORCED TO PAY outrageous sums of money for an outside patented system that they are unsure whether even 1,000 people have bought in the entire area.
I know a lot about this, because I am one door down from a TV engineer at a broadcast station. As they tell me, it doesn't take long to follow the money to find out where this mess all got started from.
The mention of Weird Al seems to have thrown everyone off topic, and this is a serious topic.
Does anyone care about Spanish TV?
I think the best way to allocate frequency is through auction. True, this will screw some people, but with the billions(?) made by the auction, we could create a Spanish PBS and put it on the lower UHF spectrum. Thus, popular needs are met through the market (which, the artcle implies, would favor wireless networks), and important/informative broadcasting could also get through.
This would be the best mix, IMO, of socialism and capitalism. (Don't be fooled into thinking that any nation isn't a hybrid of both systems)
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Two network affilates, two major indies and the best PBS 'new' digital (HDTV) allocations are also in this spectrum in Los Angeles. Sort of confirmation that the FCC is no different than any other government agency, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Oh well.
Jeez, at first I thought it said "Weird AI". I'm like, "There's such a thing as non-weird AI?"
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
You have a few things backward, unless you have a sarcasm that is a little too subtle for me. UHF stands for ultra high frequency and runs from 300Mhz to 3Ghz. VHF is very high frequency and runs from 30Mhz to 300Mhz.
Lower frequencies tend to penetrate things more readily, like buildings and the like. Even VHF bounces off things that are good reflectors, like sheet metal. The reason you get ghosts is because of multipath.
Multipath happens in VHF and above when you are getting the same signal from many different directions, such as when you are getting reflected signals from objects in addition to a line of sight signal. The reflected signals are very slightly out of phase with the main signal, and you get ghosts.
Someone correct me if I made a mistake, but I think all of the above is accurate.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
Someone please remind me again why we need the FCC to regulate all of this spectrum?
Here's my point... It is, I suppose, appropriate for the FCC to regulate interstate or international communications. But RF not aimed at a satellite that is higher than 50 MHz (most of the time) is not going to leave the state (yes, there are exceptions, but neighboring states have been cooperating ever since there *were* states in border issues without any federal intervention).
The band plan in Minnesota has absolutely zero impact on me here in California. Heck, where I am neither does the bandplan in Oregon, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona or Mexico. Why is it that a bunch of beaurocrats in Washington DC should have complete and total say over issues involving strictly local transmission and reception of radio signals (we can thank FDR and his buddies, of course, for the question of why they do as opposed to why they should)?
UHF
by Al Yankovic
Lyrics:
Put down your remote control
Throw out your TV Guide
Put away your jacket
There's no need to go outside
Don't you know that we control the horizontal
We control the verticle, too
We gonna make a couch potato out of you
That's what we gonna do now
Don't change the channel
Don't touch that dial
We got it all on UHF
Kick off your sneakers
Stick around for a while
We got it all on UHF
Don't worry 'bout your laundry
Forget about your job
Just crank up the volume
And yank off the knob
We got it all, we got it all, we got it all on UHF
Disconnect the phone and leave the dishes in the sink
You better put away your homework
Prime time ain't no time to think
All you do is make yourself a TV dinner
Press your face right up against the screen
We gonna show you thangs you ain't ever seen
If you know what I mean, now
Don't change the channel
Don't touch that dial
We got it all on UHF
Kick off your sneakers
Stick around for a while
We got it all on UHF
Don't worry 'bout your laundry
Forget about your job
Just crank up the volume
And yank off the knob
We got it all, we got it all, we got it all on UHF
You can watch us all day
You can watch us all night
You can watch us any time that you please
You can sit around and stare at the picture tube
'Till your brain turns into cottage cheese
Well, now
Don't change the channel
Don't touch that dial
We got it all on UHF
Kick off your sneakers
Stick around for a while
We got it all on UHF
Don't worry 'bout your laundry
Forget about your job
Just crank up the volume
And yank off the knob
We got it all, we got it all, we got it all on UHF
We got it all on UHF (UHF)
You can also find the song in mp3 on the OpenFT network.
Great idea! I'd love my own powerline!
The FCC was obliged in the late 1990s to reallocate the spectrum currently allotted to UHF 50 to 59 and 60 to 72 in multiple auctions after Digital TV (DTV) was in full swing. There's nothing new about this. The story at the top of this page makes it sound as though this is a sudden effort to steal UHF for wireless. It ain't.
The broader public interest issue was debated and buried and lost years ago, and the juggernaut of DTV has moved a few inches, not toppling the analog signals as were expected.
The UHF broadcasters, just like everyone else, have been assigned new DTV frequencies, but it's ridiculous to ask small broadcasters to foot the bill to turn over to DTV, especially with few views and little interest.
But it will happen. The former FCC head, Kennard, said he thought it was more like 2020 instead of 2007 when he spoke on the issue last year.
Freelance tech journalist for the Economist, MIT Technology Review, Macworld, and others
Are there any markets where the airwaves are so saturated that current stations broadcasting on these channels just can't move to lower frequencies? I've lived in the Boston and Silicon Valley markets, and if the upper-bands were dissolved, there would be plenty of room for those channels to move to lower bands.
Wireless networking is going to be a while yet
competing with wired networking. Except maybe
for line-of-sight wireless (which isn't really
the same thing; it may not have copper wires,
but it has lines the information has to follow
sure enough), wireless just isn't developed to
the point where it can offer as much bandwidth
as similarly priced non-wireless options. The
satellite stuff that's supposed to compete with
DSL for consumers costs twice as much per month
and has preposterous installation fees. AirPort
and similar local wireless options are dog slow
compared to even vanilla 10BaseT ethernet but
cost more like gigabit ethernet.
Basically, wireless just isn't _there_ yet.
Then there are security and privacy issues...
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
Let's merge the two and form "Broadband TV." That would be kinda handy if you could monitor your network usage with a television set (although I don't really see why). Hmm... I can see the implications of this for a lazy admin with a softspot for b-rated movies and backward television taste.
He who has no
This doesn't affect me one bit. Never did watch Trinity Broadcasting Network. Too many imges of people with hair 4 feet tall...
Why yes I am paranoid! Thanks for asking!
I sincerely believe that I would be a tremendously different person without the great UHF channels. Back in the 80's, (hehe) most of the weekday cartoons were shown channel 13, which eventually became the Fox affiliate. They had the mainstream stuff, Transformers, GI Joe, He-Man, Go-bots, and other ones I don't remember. But even though I used to enjoy those somewhat (*shudder*), the UHF channel 21 had much better, more memorable cartoons: Voltron (I,III), Robotech, Tranzor-Z, Star Blazers, Inspector Gadget (kind of silly but still cool), and some live action pre-power ranger show (Ultraman?). Of course the station itself probably had some sort of international sources (it was a Japanese-English channel), but I'd say without those shows I could never appreciate how nearly every robot/high tech 'toon draws upon those old cartoons.
;) (If you're in LA, check out KDOC, it rocks with all the 80's shows!)
Of course kids now have a plethora of choices for cartoons... channels like the Cartoon Network so there's no need for UHF except for hefty nostagia breaks.
0- Eamonman Proud member of DNRC
The delay is a good thing. Instead of autioning off the airwaves to a bunch of cell phone pigs, it would be better to work out a scheme where this spectrum could be usef for free wireless networks. The techonlogy is here. All that needs to be done is for the FCC to agree on a set of decent standards (IEEE, WWWC what not) and enforce decent behavior on it (oh my God a new mandate for the FCC, anti-spam enforcer!) This way any houshold could become a broadcaster and have an infinite range.
Erris sees what good can be done by people who don't give in to the urge to make a quick buck like Billy C did with those stupid acutions. He is obviously deluded and insane. Insanity is statistical.
DMCA, Hollings, Palladium. What might have sounded like paranoia is now common sense.
What the hell else is going on in UHF land? The bandwidth can be more efficiently used with digital transmission anyway.
Weird AL is great, but the demise of actual UHF TV programming (save some areas of the States perhaps) is well behind us.
Hopefully the range will prove to be affordable to license and resell thus leading to an opening in (mostly) unused frequencies, which I'm sure most of slashdot is interested in.
Love ya anyway.
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1) There used to be channels 70 through 83, but they were reallocated years ago.
2) The frequencies for channels 14-19 (or 20?) can be used for non-television purposes. Most stations in those channels were grandfathered into continued existence, while a few new ones have come into existence if the channel was so allocated in the original UHF allocation.
3) Up to at least the late 1980s, (I haven't paid attention since) the FCC maintained a list of channel allocations per city. If you wanted to start a new station, you'd get a channel off that list. As those channels got used up, the FCC would allocate new channels higher up as needed, which is why you rarely see channels above 49 except in places like the Bay Area, LA, Chicago or New York. Most cities without a VHF station had channels in the pattern 16, 22, 28, 34, 40, 46. The same was true for places like Chicago-- 14, 20, 26, 32, 38, 44. The even spacing was to try and prevent interference.
Considering how much bandwidth a single UHF channel uses up, and how few stations there actually are in those channels, it's probably a good idea.
I worked on the abortive 700 MHz (Ch. 60-69) auction a couple of years ago, on behalf of a potential bidder, before it was "postponed". Wired has a lot of details wrong, though the FCC has screwed up too.
Today's stations above channel 51 are not necessarily going off the air. Almost every station has two channels now, one analog and one digital. If the analog channel is >51, the digital one probably isn't. The plan is to eventually shut down analog and move to all digital, all below channel 52. So most stations will just move.
Analog stations don't have to go dark until 85% of their market can receive digital, so the 2007 deadline is unlikely to be real. I suspect the 2010 deadline (to go all digital ANYWAY) will end up being postponed. TV stations have priority over wireless ops. The wireless licensees can buy off the TV stations, but most stations won't just shut down.
It is possible that the wireless (2-way; TV, after all, is wireless too) ops will pay for a station below 52 to shut down, in order to accommodate a move to their channel from someone now above 52, so that they can use the channel for wireless. Home Shopping channels and the like are candidates for such shutdown. The FCC however did not adopt a proposal to formalize this via an auction process, which had been proposed.
i dunno, i think the sci-fi, comedy central, learning channel, history channel, bravo, a&e have some good shows on... heck even animal planet and food network have some interesting things on. .cable is more crap?
so..
also, for premium channels -- hbo is the shiznit
they have a lot of great shows (if you are mature enough to view them)
He has a good point about UHF being more useful in cities that are built wide instead of tall.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
- colin
You think that's funny? I discovered an all-Russian TV station(which doesn't get Interceptor, a crazy GTA like game show, DARN!) which makes sense since most of my apartment complex's tenants are Russian senior citizens.
She loves the local Spanish channel 66.
Does this
We see Raul standing in the middle of his funky apartment, surrounded by cages containing various household pets. RAUL (to camera) Hey, man, this is Raul Hernandez, and welcome to "Raul's Wild Kingdom," coming to you live from my apartment! How about that, huh? Okay, first thing we're gonna do today is check out the wonderful world of turtles. This is my friend Tommy. Say hello to the nice people, Tommy... (holds up turtle) Aaaay, isn't he great? Okay, so... the turtle is a member of the reptile family, right? And it's got this hard, protective shell... (he raps on it) ... which keeps predators away, and provides him with his own house for when he sleeps. And he's got these teeny tiny little legs, so he moves real slow. And not many people know this, but the turtle is also nature's suction cup! Watch this...
Raul turns the turtle over and throws it as hard as he can towards the ceiling. We hear an o.s. SUCTION sound.
RAUL
(continuing)
See that? It sticks! Okay, lets's see, what else we got here? Oh yeah, check this out.
He walks over to his ant farm, which is on top of his dresser.
RAUL
(continuing)
This is my ant farm. You know, ants are really amazing. They can carry fifty times their own weight, and they work for weeks and weeks making these intricate tunnels, and... oh yeah, they really hate it when you do this...
Raul grabs the ant farm and shakes it vigorously.
RAUL
(continuing)
Oh, look, they're really mad now!
58 INT. U62 - DAY
Bob is watching Raul on a monitor as George enters.
GEORGE
Hey, Bob, Where did you find this guy?
BOB
I thought you hired him...
59 INT. RAUL'S APARTMENT
Several yapping poodles now surround Raul. He picks one up and starts swinging it back and forth by an open window.
RAUL
Okay, Gigi, are you psyched? Are you ready? Okay, here we go... get ready... and... FLY!!
He hurls Gigi out the open window, then looks outside.
RAUL
(continuing)
Oh, man... You know, sometimes it takes 'em a long time to learn how to do it right.
(to poodles)
Okay... shut up... shut up... hey! All right, who's next?
The poodles jump up and down, yapping cheerfully. One jumps up into his arms. In the b.g. we see Tommy the Turtle fall through frame.
RAUL
(continuing)
Okay, Fifi, let's go. Now, remember what I told you... flap your legs back and forth really, really hard... you're gonna have a great time... ready, and... FLY!!
RAUL hurls Fifi out the window.
60 EXT. RAUL'S APARTMENT BUILDING - DAY
Fifi flies out a third story window and drops with a THUD on a huge mound of poodles on the ground below.
RAUL (V.O.)
Oh, man...!
And of course we can't forget the infamous:
Philo: Hello, and welcome to...
Secrets (echo)
Of (echo)
The Universe (echo)
Today, we will be learning how to make Plutonium out of common household items.
In the box is....NOTHING!!!!!!!
The lameness filter is so lame:
Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
Maybe I feel like yelling assholes!
VHF/UHF has been used heavily by mariners/fishermen for years. I'm sure there are alternatives in the RF spectrum that are just as suitable as UHF 52-69.
Not everyone spends thier weekends behind a CRT. Boaters need these channels. I'm always an advocate for progress, but please keep your pr0n dls the F out of my boat... thx.
HDTV = High Definition TV
DTV = Digital TV
It seems that the broadcasters are much more interested in using the digital technology to transmits six channels in the same bandwidth formerly used for one than to transmit one high definition channel.
Stop worrying about the risks of nuclear power and start worrying about the risks of not using nuclear power.
But fox is on channel 68 in my area. That might block the Simpsons( and futurama if it stays on FOX). This madness must be stopped.
Also in those channels are a Hispanic station and a religious. Which would make more government oaf-ficials concerned
"Beware the squirrels"
Sometimes you can't let old UHF bands get you down. Sometimes you have to take your WiFi cards and scrub that wasted bandwidth real good. And if that doesn't do it, you gotta get down on your knees with a laptop and wardrive really really hard! And if that still doesn't clean up that bandwidth, well you can't give up! You gotta stand up, run to the window, and yell out THIS NETWORK IS LAGGY AS HELL, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
I'll be honest, we're throwing science against the wall to see what sticks. -Cave Johnson
Poser! A REALLY anal person takes the time to memorize highly successful movies like 'The Vidiot from UHF' and doesn't need any silly references like imdb!
;)
You really need to practice your anality, or people just wont take you seriously
Hey Kuni... beginners class today, huh?
Ahhh, they're so STUPID! (stoopad?)
*crash of body through window*
STUUUUPIIIIIID!
My boob tube doesn't even allow me to go past channel 50, come to think of it. I can think of only one channel >50 from my childhood, channel 61, a station playing nothing but videos and then just christian stuff. Either way, the reception was terrible. In DC, there are more UHF channels than you would expect to find outside of NE suburbia, but surely with todays technology they could have make more efficient use of the spectrum.
On a side note, UHF finally came out on DVD two weeks ago. It is only 10 bucks at best buy, and it comes with tons of deleted content and other goodies.
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In Europe we would surely have settled for DVB-T (digital video broadcasting, terrestrial) which allows for IP networking up to a rate of 25 Mbps per UHF channel. I do not know whether the US equivalent for that kind of networking (ATSC Terrestrial Data Broadcasting, same principle) would allow such rates.
Actually, last time I heard of general performance for ATSC terrestrial broadcasting, it did pretty poorly compared with is european (DVB-T) and asian (ISDB-T, thebroadcasting equivalent of ISDN) counterparts. Or would they settle of some 802.11x variant ? Or some 3G-CDMA standard ?
I'd like to know how the whole matter will turn out...
In Soviet Russia, our new overlords are belong to all your base.
The problem with this is that there are hundreds (if not thousands) of very low power UHF stations that are run by non-profit organizations and service a small demographic... Such as non-english channels, alternative media, community info, etc.
And what exactly prevents them from presenting that content over a wireless net, especially a wireless local net?
Could this mean you could legally start up your own tv station as long as its under 5 watts and has a digital data stream?
You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
This is a stupid reason. If I moved to Russia, I would EXPECT to have to learn Russian for news and emergency information. Same if I moved to Mexico or Spain.
Why is it so different here. You move here, learn to SPEAK our language or MOVE BACK!
Easier said than done. Since it takes some time to learn a new language (especially one so ass-backward as English), keeping emergency broadcasts in an immigrant's native tongue makes sense. How would a foreigner know how to understand "massive volcanic eruption" if they hadn't got that far in their English book?
It's easy to say "learn the language or get out," but imagine yourself dropped into say, China, for the next five years. Or Germany. Or Nigeria. Wherever you land, it'll take time to learn the language.
The neutrality of this sig is disputed.
I recieved my amateur radio license in may 97.
I have recieved countless emails forwarded from
mailing lists that show little LEO (low earth orbit sattelites), networking, spread spectrum phones and car alarms ect taking over our allocated band segments. TV freqencies that are not even being used were already lost to major corporations and thier lobbies. Amatuer radio suffered a big segment lost to UPS in the 220 mhz range. (and they dont even use what they took!)
nobody outside of amatuer radio and the National Weather Service really knows the contributions of the Ham radio community. We spend countless hours in disaster relief, Weather spotting, chasing and confirming tornado activity, and other various UNPAID community acts.
I dont worry about TV loosing more segments because HDTV is going to take over anyway, and I have cable.
I do however, worry about amatuer radio loosing more segments.
----concerned-
-- Blackfeather Tanfur
Offtopic, but no more so than the parent post.
$ghosty_low eq "snowy" . " ultra-high";
Got it now! I was driving home from work thinking that I had it backwards...oops...should've used the preview button.
It's not "different here," either. When I lived in Japan, a couple of the major news broadcasts were dubbed in real-time English: you could push a button and change the audio feed between the two languages. There were also radio stations in English, Portuguese, Tagalog, and a couple of other funny languages. I've been told that England, Germany, and other countries with large expat populations have the same thing.
Not to mention the fact that where I live now, Miami, the Spanish-speaking population is larger than the English-speaking population... so you *could*, in effect, say "You're in Florida! HABLE ESPANOL!"
Badgers! We don't need no stinking badgers!
Technoli
How many people watch TV? How many people do radio astronomy?