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FTC Tells Search Engines to Disclose Paid Links

linderdm writes "CNN has an article describing how the FTC wants search engines who receive payment for higher rated links, to disclose this to users. The concern is that users go to search engines looking for the best results for their search criteria, not the highest paid results for their search."

182 comments

  1. cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    google already does this in more ways than one!

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    1. Re:cool! by symbolic · · Score: 2


      And google deserves high accolades for this. Not only are the ads easily identifiable, they blend in nicely with their surroundings. I *have* clicked on the ads more than once, if I happened to have been searching for information on a particular type of product. Google's got it right- unintrusive, yet accessible. The market droids won't agree, but what does that matter?

    2. Re:cool! by waferhead · · Score: 1

      Google also is quite good at putting up relevant ads as well. Sometimes it's actually what you're looking for!

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  4. Oh, well... by CmdrTaco+(troll) · · Score: -1

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  5. typo? by hism · · Score: 0

    is the i in "links" capitalized.. or am I reading it wrong?

    1. Re:typo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      it's capitalized, so yes, it's a typo by some luser

    2. Re:typo? by hism · · Score: 0

      Ah, they've fixed the typo.

  6. that's great! by squarefish · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's been a long time coming. Google is the only engine currently doing a decent job of making clear which links are paid advertisements.

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    1. Re:that's great! by zaffir · · Score: 1

      Not only are they easy to see, sometimes they're what i'm actually looking for. Its not uncommon to see a paid link end up as the first search result, too. And most of the time that link is what i'm looking for.

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    2. Re:that's great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      How much is Google paying you to post praise about them to slashdot?

    3. Re:that's great! by RTFA+Man · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      paid links don't show up as the first search result on Google. All sponsored links are in a column on the right. You must be thinking of a different search engine.

    4. Re:that's great! by edhall · · Score: 1

      Ah, so a banner that says "Sponsor Matches" above such links along with a link to a page describing just what sponsor matches are isn't enough for you? That's what Yahoo! does.

      -Ed
    5. Re:that's great! by RTFA+Man · · Score: 0

      He's too busy letting the guys at Google tea bag him to read your reply.

    6. Re:that's great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a banner that says "Sponsor Matches" above such links along with a link to a page describing just what sponsor matches are isn't enough for you? That's what Yahoo! does.

      Except that Yahoo isn't a search engine.

    7. Re:that's great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever seen the links that appear above the search? You know, the ones with the green or pink background? Those are paid links, too! Way to go, fuckwit!

    8. Re:that's great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is such bullshit for the person to be called a troll, while the poster is allowed to say something equally mindless.

    9. Re:that's great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, so people aren't allowed to give praise to a company without being flamed for it?

    10. Re:that's great! by Drunken+Philosopher · · Score: 1

      Actually, Yahoo Maps seems to be very good about flagging sponsored links, when looking for "nearby ____". I travel a lot, and use this feature to find hotels, restaurants, etc. at my destinations.

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  7. Will Slashdot be required to do the same? by king_ramen · · Score: 3, Funny

    I guess not since we all know this site it suspect before we get here.

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  8. Stacking engines based on being paid... by gatesh8r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is really good that the FTC is putting their foot down on this. Why? Being able to let users understand what is relevant to their search instead of all this corperate clutter and pay-offs that may or may not even be relevant. One thing that I do want to see more and more out of government groups is the further pushing of truth in how search engines index and give relevancy -- that is, what people are looking for, not "Click here and buy NOW!" Personally this should only help engines get more traffic -- like how google does things.

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    1. Re:Stacking engines based on being paid... by Disevidence · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If they're really into this for the consumer, then they should be investigating spyware and malicious web-pages under their jurisdiction.

      While this is good news for helping net newbies, i don't think they did this for the consumers. Probably a few well-known companies were a bit pissed off that search engines linked to competitors over them.

      But if they are in it for the proper reasons, more power to them, and start addressing spyware.

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    2. Re:Stacking engines based on being paid... by Sandman196 · · Score: 1

      I think one of the PC magazines (I believe it is PC World) recently did a review about which search engine was the best. I remember that the tended to look down on engines that "hid" the paid links as the most relevant even when in truth they were not. Of course the study ranked google the best engine that was in the study. I believe Yahoo, Altavista, and other popular search engines were in the study.

    3. Re:Stacking engines based on being paid... by Disevidence · · Score: 2

      I was under the impression that YAHOO uses Google? Or is my information incorrect?

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    4. Re:Stacking engines based on being paid... by Ziviyr · · Score: 2

      I was under the impression that YAHOO uses Google? Or is my information incorrect?

      I dunno about your correctness -sarcasm- but theres no way Yahoo could alter Google results before displaying them to you on Yahoo's site -/sarcasm-.

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    5. Re:Stacking engines based on being paid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Please make this clear to me: why is it the government's job to determine how search engines present link ratings? (Gee...put that way, it sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it?)

      One thing I do want to see more and more out of government groups is less and less coming out of government groups.

    6. Re:Stacking engines based on being paid... by kevin+lyda · · Score: 2

      well maybe if you morons would quit electing "less government, more freedom for large companies to screw you over" type politicians, then the ftc could look out for such issues you describe.

      oh, and if you have direct issues, you can complain to them directly. or you can just whine pointlessly online or on talk radio with unfounded accusations towards motives as most americans do.

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    7. Re:Stacking engines based on being paid... by JPriest · · Score: 1

      If you don't like the results an engine returns don't use it. The government is too large as it is. If you want them to baby-sit everyone then don't complain when you are paying a 75% income tax. That and, depending on what you are looking for some of the most relevant links are the paid ones. This is one of the few areas where the internet can regulate itself, lets let it stay that way. -Tippy JPriest

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  9. Give users the choice to opt out by whoppers · · Score: 1

    If yahoo and the like would let users set options to where the user has to opt out of this to get the best search results, they'd probably be able to get away with it. Of course that'll raise more trouble with user tracking and still won't fix the trouble with internet novices not knowing that they can turn this option off and get valid search results. Maybe we should all just use google.

    1. Re:Give users the choice to opt out by AndrewRUK · · Score: 1

      That's not gonna happen.
      Why?
      Money.
      The paid links are how search engines make their money (what would be the point otherwise?) so unless you're willing to pay for paid-link-free searching, they aint gonna give you an option to remove the paid links.

  10. Is this even an issue? by EvilFrog · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's been a heck of a long time since I've heard of anyone using a search engine other than Google...

    So really, how many people would honestly be affected by this?

    1. Re:Is this even an issue? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      "So really, how many people would honestly be affected by this?" Anybody using AOL? Heh. Okay, being serious for a sec: at least it prevents Google from being bought up by somebody else and 'restructured'...

    2. Re:Is this even an issue? by bankjobmaniac · · Score: 1

      Amphibious Maleficus writes:

      It's been a heck of a long time since I've heard of anyone using a search engine other than Google...

      So really, how many people would honestly be affected by this?


      If you are sharp and focussed, know about Google and know what you want to find, you will probably use Google.

      But if most Americans watch an average of 5 1/2 hours of TV a day, then they are by default choosing to spend at least sixty minutes of their 16 or so waking hours staring slack-jawed at a bunch of commercials. These people might not qualify as the most self-willed bunch when it comes to how they spend their leisure-information hours.

      My own net activity varies. When I'm goal-directed and know what I want, I make a game out of trying to get a direct hit with the first Google "I feel lucky!" But truthfully, there are times when I just stare at the screen, the way you would hold the refrigerator door open and practice mouth-breathing when you don't know what you're hungry for.

      Sometimes I stumble unknowingly into someone's Search page, without planning to, most likely MSN or AOL. (For various reasons, when I log on, I have access to AOL, Prodigy, MSN, and Yahoo. That way, I think I get a more balanced view of how other people see the net.)

      Guys like these (MSN, AOL) try to toe the line between satisfying their sponsors by directing likely queries towards them and satisying the User (browser, consumer) who, let's face it, is also a sponsor, by giving them at least a semblance of valuable information.

      (But here's a pretty egregious counter example: This morning I happened to have a Browser problem where I couldn't access any WWW sites outside of the intra-AOL realm. I needed a text of the Declaration of Independenc, fast, and AOL's on-line World Book Encyclopedia had 17 articles on or about or referencing the Declaration of Independence -- but NO Original Source Text!)

      Now, a total slimebag money-grubbing All-Banners, All the Time Ad Pimp would probably lose user credibilty in a short time (recent history, won't go into it, you probably know more than I do anyway.) But meanwhile, moderately corporate, moderately informative Search engines will probably continue to attract moderately informed consumers.

      Nevertheless, even the Harvard Business School is coming around to the idea that in the long run, the only viable business model is: Quality generates loyalty, and loyalty generates money. Therefore, Google and those who follow a similar outlook (it's really a philosophy, not a "business model") always win in the end, because they are the best at what they do. They give intelligent results to intelligent users, and they seem to be aware that if you concentrate on providing quality and integrity, the money will take care of itself.

      In the old days, they used to call this "The Free Market of Ideas," and it's still a good thing, especially if that includes being free to have ideas about the Free Market.

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  11. There's a very simple solution by quantaman · · Score: 3, Funny

    The very first time you visit a search engine you will have to sign an EULA that says (in 5000 words;) that you understand there are paid links and agree that they will be hidden. I'm sure the search engines won't mind...

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    1. Re:There's a very simple solution by Kizzle · · Score: 2

      But then how would the site know that every user has read the EULA? The only way would be for each user to have their own account. And I know that nobody wants to register to use a search engine.

    2. Re:There's a very simple solution by Yo+Grark · · Score: 1

      I don't think there's a geek alive that wouldn't register with Google, as long as we could autologin securely that is....

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    3. Re:There's a very simple solution by quantaman · · Score: 2

      Yeah, as opposed to all those other EULAs that you've "read". Don't think it will happen? Just wait until M$ decides to get a search engine... just thinking about it gives me nightmares.

      Search: Linux

      Linux is Communist
      Linux is unsecure
      If you use Linux you're supporting terrorism
      Why Linux will cause your computer to explore
      DRM, your hidden friend
      Why Linux should be illegal
      Linus is a big weanie
      ......

      the horror... the horror

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    4. Re:There's a very simple solution by silicon_synapse · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just wait until M$ decides to get a search engine...

      You mean kinda like this?

    5. Re:There's a very simple solution by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      As it is, msn seems to prefer Windows related sites to Linux ones. I can't point to any particular search and say for sure, but try out some keywords for yourself and see.

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    6. Re:There's a very simple solution by generic-man · · Score: 1

      At the same time, Google is heavily oriented towards Linux sites. Try searching for word processing at MSN and Google. MSN's first 5 results are two software stores (sponsored), the Microsoft Word home page, a product called Scriptware for the screenwriting industry, and the Microsoft Works home page. Compare this to Google, which lists "Linux Word Processing", a general guide to word processing style, the AbiWord home page, and two professional word processing firms. Google doesn't list the MS Word or MS Works pages in its top fifty results, and there are no sponsored links. (To find Microsoft Word, a Google search for word brings up the Microsoft product as link number four.)

      Moving along, I searched for the text processing package LaTeX with a search for latex. Google's first 12 results are all related to the text processing package, but what if people wanted information about the material latex? Google's link number 13 is about Latex allergies. MSN's first 15 results are balanced between the text processing package, the material latex, and products made from latex such as condoms.

      Lastly, I'll redo a search I did a couple of years ago to try and find Japanese text support in LaTeX. A search for japanese latex on Google results in nine relevant-looking links and one porn site in the first 10 results. MSN, surprisingly, offers 14 relevant-looking results and one Japanese latex manufacturer. No porn until link number 28 from MSN.

      MSN seems to prefer general-interest sites, whereas Google's relevancy scores are boosted by clickthroughs by their most loyal users, which would skew results toward... well, geeks. Both engines still produce useful results, and both indicate which results are sponsored.

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    7. Re:There's a very simple solution by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      Funny, the *very* first link is to Amazon.com...

      Who wants to bet if this was paid for?

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    8. Re:There's a very simple solution by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      That is a good point I guess. I always like google because I can search for the generic word "putty" and download the SSH client. Makes it easier for when I am working with network-crippled OS's like Windows.

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    9. Re:There's a very simple solution by kchoboter · · Score: 0

      Yes but it would be a pain in the a$$.

      Google preaches speed, not just on page loading but also in minimzing the number of mouse clicks until you find a suitable hit for what you are looking for.

      Hopefully, Google never requires registration!

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    10. Re:There's a very simple solution by ActiveSX · · Score: 1

      You have to love that the third, umm, "featured" link has instructions on walking backwards.

    11. Re:There's a very simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and the amount of paperwork involved in the EULA and not having ppl's info be search terms would be gigantic.
      Kind of reminds me of a site that I frequent ... what was it ... oh yeah ... [censored for paid viewers only, who also adhere to the EULA, blah, blah, bl..]

      (I know that ./ doesn't sell or censor info, except when threatened by Big Brother)

    12. Re:There's a very simple solution by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

      I highly doubt the FTC is going to insist that every single user agree to the EULA, merely that the information is posted somewhere it can be easily accessed by those who care. A miniscule link at the bottom of the page, similar to the Slashdot EULA, would be sufficient.

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    • Removed all references to Tacos pud. May have been high at time. Will investigate further.
    • Finally think I have
    • goat sex written correctly in German. I think. Arschficken?

    © 2002 Serial Troller. Permission to reproduce this document is granted provided that you send all the bukkake porn you can find to serialtroller@hotmail.com.

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    1. Re:I will post UNTIL I DIE!!! Polka, polka!!!! by Guppy06 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      "Und aren't they Taco's sex toys?"

      I think this line needs another syllable, but other than that...

    2. Re:I will post UNTIL I DIE!!! Polka, polka!!!! by Dwedit · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      This is the best damn troll I've ever seen!

    3. Re:I will post UNTIL I DIE!!! Polka, polka!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Hey, can I play too? How about:

      Is das nicht ein BSD?
      Ja! Das ist ein BSD!
      Will it nicht be dead shortly?
      Ja! it will be dead shortly!
      BSD, dead shortly,
      ...

    4. Re:I will post UNTIL I DIE!!! Polka, polka!!!! by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1

      Help! I just got 15 messages at once. The editors are fighting the trolls for control of this post's score!!! And the editors are bombing all my other comments!!! My Karma is caught in the middle!!!

      At least I got noticed. YHBT, editors. :p

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    5. Re:I will post UNTIL I DIE!!! Polka, polka!!!! by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1

      "Und are they not Taco's sex toys?"

      Better?

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      Hey, kid... wanna touch my "kernel patch"?

      -- Alan Cox

    6. Re:I will post UNTIL I DIE!!! Polka, polka!!!! by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

      Hehe... happened to me and I got IP banned for three days. Good luck :-P

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    7. Re:I will post UNTIL I DIE!!! Polka, polka!!!! by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1

      That happens to me all the time. Is why I have 2467 ½ separate accounts. But this time my karma is going up and down like a fucking dick in Taco's ass. Not sure if the IP ban is based on having x amount of downmods or x amount of final downmods.

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      Hey, kid... wanna touch my "kernel patch"?

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    8. Re:I will post UNTIL I DIE!!! Polka, polka!!!! by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

      Not sure... mine was at -7, went to -4 and suddently I was posting at 0 instead of -1. Then some dick moderator(s) when through and modded every single post down to -1 so I ended up somewhere around -13 and I got banned.

      BTW, Cain y'alls'splain what's one-dem dick in Taco's ass? I's jus'er'li'l curjus.

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    9. Re:I will post UNTIL I DIE!!! Polka, polka!!!! by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1

      -5 is the threshold between posting at -1 and 0. 0 karma is the threshold between 0 and 1, and 25 is the threshold between 1 and 2. I think karma is floor-capped at -25, and of course capped at 50. It takes 4-5 downmods in 24 hours to get banned for 72.

      All I know.

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    10. Re:I will post UNTIL I DIE!!! Polka, polka!!!! by Guppy06 · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      "Is das nicht ein BSD?"

      ...

      "Will it nicht be dead shortly?"

      Ehhh... not quite. If you go along with the German-ish theme of it you end up pronouncing BSD as "bay ess day" and then it doesn't rhyme.

    11. Re:I will post UNTIL I DIE!!! Polka, polka!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Point taken, but I plead poetic licentiousness.

    12. Re:I will post UNTIL I DIE!!! Polka, polka!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is why even the slashdot creators stop using slashdot - it doesn't provide them with "what they're searching for". Slashdot has become such a cesspool that I'm surprised that so many avowed "expert searchers" keep coming back to so much crap.

  13. No Action? by Wanker · · Score: 3
    While the FTC said it doesn't plan to file suit against the search engines, it will send a letter to each calling for "clearer disclosure of the use of paid inclusion, including more conspicuous descriptions of paid inclusion itself."
    Somehow this reminds me of Aliens where Frost says: "What the hell are we supposed to use, man? Harsh language?"

    I guess I would have liked to see the FTC at least say "we plan to make this illegal" instead of:

    Regulators said there is no determination the search engines broke the law, and it plans no other action.
    1. Re:No Action? by SEE · · Score: 2

      The FTC can't plan to make things illegal. It can plan to pass regulations that define certain activities as violating already-existng laws, but even then they can be challenged in court, and if the court doesn't think the already-existing laws cover the issue, the regualtions are void.

    2. Re:No Action? by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

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  14. Cmdr Taco is so loud by theodoliteq · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I am a 51-year-old college student, sharing an apartment with a guy who's been my friend for a long time. We get along well and are very compatible roommates, but an incident two weeks ago has jeopardized all that.

    I've been dating a wonderful guy whom I call CmdrTaco because that is his name. CmdrTaco and I have sex a lot, and he is very loud. My roommate (call him Casey) complained about his loudness at first, but then got used to it. So imagine my surprise when I caught him masturbating outside my door listening to us have sex.

    Casey, of course, looked embarrassed, and retreated to his room. Neither Casey nor I have mentioned the incident to each other since. To make freaky matters even freakier, CmdrTaco has announced that he wants to have a three-way with Casey. What do I do? I can hardly look at Casey anymore and I don't know what to say to CmdrTaco.

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    Dear Turd Report:
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    When you're sharing an apartment, overhearing your roommate getting laid is unavoidable. The roommate who isn't getting laid walks down the hall to the bathroom, and as he passes the door to the room of the roommate who is getting laid he hears a groan or a grunt or a thud or a slap. In most cases, it's pretty easy for the roommate who isn't getting laid to avoid further listening -- i.e., he can continue on his way to the bathroom or turn on the TV or whatever.

    However, SSO, it's not only the responsibility of the roommate who isn't getting laid to avoid listening. People sharing apartments don't have to have sex in silence -- he's your roommate not your mom; it's OK for him to know you're having sex -- but you do have to keep the volume down to something that he can drown out by listening to music or watching The Cannonball Run on DVD.

    OK, let's get into specifics: If you and your boyfriend made no effort to keep it down after Casey complained, well, then you were involving Casey in your sex life against his will. By forcing him to listen, you were drawing him into the action. Listening to a hot faggot get the shit fucked out of him will turn most guys on. In short, OF COURSE CASEY WAS BEATING OFF LISTENING TO YOU TWO -- WHAT THE HELL ELSE WAS HE SUPPOSED TO DO? Yes, yes: He should've stayed away from your door. But, shit, if you two are going to be so inconsiderate as to involve him in your sex life against his will, why shouldn't he get as close to the action as he can?

    So what to do about Casey, your old pal? Get drunk with him, bring up the subject, offer him an apology, and accept the apology he'll no doubt offer you. Then laugh it off: "Oh, man, what were you thinking, dude!" "Oh, man, I thought I was going to have a heart attack when you opened the door, dude!"

    So what do you say to CmdrTaco, your loud faggotfriend? CmdrTaco knew Casey could hear you two going at it, and he kept it up. Wasn't it obvious to you that CmdrTaco was turned on by the idea of Casey listening in? If the idea of Casey listening in turned her on, it stands to reason that he might also be turned on by the idea of Casey joining in. If that's too freaky for you, SSO, then so is CmdrTaco.

  15. I can't get my simple brain round this one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You wouldn't expect Microsoft to divulge which congressmen it gives cash to, would you? Least said the better, there's a whole wriggly can of worms out there.

  16. oh really? by NASAKnight · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "When the search engines show that ads are ads, we're hoping consumers will flee these search engines," Ruskin said.

    Do they really believe that? The average joe really isn't going to care, and he probably thinks that if a site can afford to pay the search engine, it must be good.

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    1. Re:oh really? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      I think that Joe average can tell that when he searched for "Free Software" and the answer is "Barnes and Noble" and "Alamo Car Rentals" something is wrong.

      He may think its his fault, but he will likely use a different search engine next time, or give up using search engines entirely.

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  17. Government regulation of the internet is bad by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1, Redundant
  18. Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by BitterOak · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Does the FTC really have the authority to do this? Are there First Amendment implications?

    If I accept advertising on a personal website, am I required to disclose the fact?

    Perhaps the reason the FTC is not taking legal action here is there is no legal basis for them to. Under which law would they sue?

    I'm not a lawyer, but I am genuinely curious about the legalities here. Any lawyers or other experts care to respond?

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    1. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Does the FTC really have the authority to do this?

      Yep, it's interstate commerce.

      Are there First Amendment implications?

      Yeah, but commercial speech has limited protectionunder the First Amendment.

      Under which law would they sue?

      Not sure, but it seems that it could fall under fraud, or unfair trade practices, or something. The FTC probably has leeway to invent its own rules, as well.

    2. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by Syntari · · Score: 4, Informative

      IANAL either, but for what it's worth:

      Section 5(a) of the FTC Act (check Cornell law school's helpful online United States Code at 15 U.S.C. section 45(a)) prohibits unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce. Omission of a material fact can be deceptive if the facts that are revealed are misleading in the absence of the omitted fact. If the words "search engine" (and the other text appearing on the engine's web site) lead most people to believe that the sites are ranked solely by relevance, then omitting the fact that some less-relevant sites are bumped up in return for a fee paid to the search engine could be misleading. What is "material", you ask? Well, nobody really knows for sure, but a typical formulation is "anything which significantly changes the totality of information available to the consumer" (to paraphrase a Supreme Court ruling in the securities law context), or "anything which a reasonable consumer would like to know in making his/her decision to use that particular search engine".

      First Amendment implications? Sheesh. Do you think Land'O'Lakes _enjoys_ disclosing the number of calories in a butter stick? Or that RJ Reynolds puts "Surgeon General" warnings on its cigarettes as a marketing ploy to appeal to the subconscious deathwish of the nihilistic Gen X? Or that troubled businesses disclose profit warnings in order to attract investors? They disclose these things because they are forced to, because failure to do so would expose them to potentially massive liability. That is no different from forcing a search engine to make a disclosure about its sorting algorithm. No First Amendment problems in preventing fraud...

    3. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by spurious+cowherd · · Score: 2

      Yes. interstate commerce

      And, more importantly, if they can see a consistant pattern between multiple search engines that make the first, oh 2 or 3 pages, unmarked sponsored links the can prosecute under the RICO laws.

      Obviously hard to prove, but the Feds seem to be getting (oh gahd I hope) more fed up with coporate malfeasance

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    4. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by pauljlucas · · Score: 1
      Yep, it's interstate commerce.
      People doing searches don't generally pay to use search engines. No money transaction = no commerce.

      The fact that companies pay money to have links there is irrelevant and doesn't make it "commerce" any more than me paying my ISP makes my website "commerce."

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    5. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

      No money transaction = no commerce.

      Are you kidding me? Even if you give it away, the Supreme Court is still going to rule that it "affects interstate commerce". Spam is interstate commerce. Local intrastate gun and drug trafficking is interstate commerce. The DMCA is probably based on the interstate commerce clause. Trademark law definately is. Maybe that's not the way it should be, but that's certainly the way it is.

    6. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interstate commerce?

      What commerce is being done when I'm letting someone search with my search tool FOR FREE. Second, the internet is interNATIONAL.

    7. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by BitterOak · · Score: 2
      First Amendment implications? Sheesh. Do you think Land'O'Lakes _enjoys_ disclosing the number of calories in a butter stick? Or that RJ Reynolds puts "Surgeon General" warnings on its cigarettes

      Ah, but in those cases they are selling a product, not just information. In the case of search engines, the product is information, rather like a newspaper. That's why I asked if there might be First Amendment implications. When selling food, you are required to disclose the ingredients, but food isn't speech. That's the distinction.

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    8. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by SonicSpike · · Score: 1

      Ok.... so what if the search engines are located out of the country? Or what if they are in another country that does not have any sort of treaty with the US?

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    9. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by T-Ranger · · Score: 1

      Ah, no. The products is organized information. If the organization if corrupt (ie a "common man on the street" has the beleif that search engine FOO provides results based on relevence, but in fact its based on bids) then commerce is corrupt.

    10. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by pauljlucas · · Score: 1
      Spam is interstate commerce.
      Only because it's trying to sell you something to cause a money transaction.
      Local intrastate gun and drug trafficking is interstate commerce.
      People don't traffic guns and drugs for free: money is changing hands.
      The DMCA is probably based on the interstate commerce clause. Trademark law definately is. Maybe that's not the way it should be, but that's certainly the way it is.
      And what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
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    11. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ok.... so what if the search engines are located out of the country? Or what if they are in another country that does not have any sort of treaty with the US?

      Hmmm, by the reasoning of Bush, et al. -- "What's mine is mine, what's yours is mine" -- then all of the websites are going to be sued by all of the countries of the world. Or hasn't this issue been discussed 10^43 times before?

      Off-topic: Anyway, I love to see slashdot readers in their infinite objectiveness... and limited intelligence. (Troll, flame, whatever, like I care what the moderator thinks.)

    12. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by BlueUnderwear · · Score: 1
      Local intrastate gun and drug trafficking is interstate commerce.

      People don't traffic guns and drugs for free: money is changing hands.

      It would be commerce, yes, but not interstate commerce. The point that Anthony is trying to make is that lots of things which are either not commerce, or which are not interstate are still being shoehorned into the "interstate commerce" clause.
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    13. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      IANAL either, but for what it's worth: Section 5(a) of the FTC Act (check Cornell law school's helpful online United States Code at 15 U.S.C. section 45(a)) prohibits unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce. Omission of a material fact can be deceptive if the facts that are revealed are misleading in the absence of the omitted fact. If the words "search engine" (and the other text appearing on the engine's web site) lead most people to believe that the sites are ranked solely by relevance, then omitting the fact that some less-relevant sites are bumped up in return for a fee paid to the search engine could be misleading. What is "material", you ask? Well, nobody really knows for sure, but a typical formulation is "anything which significantly changes the totality of information available to the consumer" (to paraphrase a Supreme Court ruling in the securities law context), or "anything which a reasonable consumer would like to know in making his/her decision to use that particular search engine".

      Still, these things are fairly clearly ads. Yet there is more warning than is typical for the Yellow Pages, but we all know... that those are ads... Give me a break.

      What everyone's bitching about is the level of clarity from the search engines. It appears they all make a division, heck some even tell you how much they get paid for clicking on the link (does Google?). So what? If I find what I want to find, then it all works out. If they don't lead me to anything interesting, then I go to another search engine. Same with any other source of information. I get two yellow pages - two different companies send them to me. One doesn't do many any good - it has very few of the companies that I want to find; the other has everyone. I dump the useless one. Do I bitch and moan about the fact that one is no good? Nope, I dump it.

      Anyway, I love slashdot - the cesspool of the yakking masses.

    14. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by barberio · · Score: 2

      Advertising and asosiated PR are not protected speech. They are corporate statements, and are required to be the truth.

      This is defined escentialy by Valentine v. Chrestensen (1942) in that "purely commercial speech" has no constitutional protection.

      Later, Central Hudson Gas and Electric v. Public Service Commission (1980) provided the 'Hudson Test' to determine if an Advertisment was editorial or political speech and if it was still suitable to restrict it.

    15. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2
      Spam is interstate commerce.
      Only because it's trying to sell you something to cause a money transaction.

      So are paid links.

    16. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

      If they or their advertisers are engaging in commerce with the United States then they are under the jurisdiction of the FTC.

      Personally I feel the internet should be treated as a wholly separate jurisdiction, and that rules in that jurisdiction should be total anarchy, but I'm highly doubtful this is ever going to happen.

    17. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      The government regulation of the internet continues...

    18. Re:Does the FTC have jurisdiction? by DerekLyons · · Score: 2
      Ah, but in those cases they are selling a product, not just information. In the case of search engines, the product is information, rather like a newspaper. That's why I asked if there might be First Amendment implications. When selling food, you are required to disclose the ingredients, but food isn't speech. That's the distinction.
      Try reading a dead-tree publication sometime... You'll frequently see something that looks on the surface like news, or other factual material, plainly marked as 'paid advertising'.

      No one is prohibiting or limiting the speech, only preventing confusion between editorial content and advertising. (It can be argued that in this day of media conglomerates the line is becoming blurred anyhow.)
  19. Search engines are for searching. by AnonymousCowheard · · Score: -1

    So their database of links is a pay-per-list of a website. That sounds pretty good actually. Google has to make money somewhere and if people want to be included in their nice search engine for a small fee, then more power to them. Google spiders the internet too and that demands resources. Imagine what would happen if the internet wasn't so free... Your ISP bill would be determined by who you visit and what your webhits would cost. I imagine when that happens it will be just another bait and switch tactic that phone hustlers use to charge you $6.99 per-minute, but instead they'll do it to you on the internet because politicians allow that stuff to be legal.

    Just be glad it is free on your end of the search, but always remember that not everything is free.

    Although, we can quote our famous developer:

    "Software is like sex; the best is for free."
    -Linus Torvalds

    ...and I say let's try our best to keep it that way. The internet is verry much an unnatural resource capable of rejuvinating itself unlike the rest of planet earth.

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  20. Google by ken_mcneil · · Score: 1

    This is Yet Another Reason Why I Want To Have Google's Children (YARWIWTHGC), they clearly disclose "Sponsered Links" and "Shameless Self-Promotion".

    1. Re:Google by JamesOfTheDesert · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Gee, I wonder why Google discloses this information without the State stepping in and twisting its arm? Hm. And I wonder why people like Google so much. Hm.

      Maybe this is a non-problem. People will go towards the site that gives them the most reliable results. It's easy enough to learn which search engines are upfront about paid links, and which aren't. Caveat emptor, the better sites will win out. Having the State mandate behavior just encourages users to stop taking responsibility for their own behavior. People start assuming everything is safe and on the level, because hey, the State must be controlling it.

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  21. Stupid Idea by Deltan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a retarded idea. Here's why. The more the government interferes with business, particularily online business the less of a free market it actually is. If in fact it is important that users see what is relevant before paid results then the marketplace will change to demand that from search engines. Consumers will flock to what they want to use. The fact that the majority of Internet Cattle are made up of stupid people shouldn't really factor into this at all. People should find out for themselves how search engines work, people shouldn't have to rely on the government to protect them. In the famous words of Jesse Ventura, "The government is not your mom!"

    If a privately owned search engine wants to get money for prioritized links, more power to them, that's free enterprise, it is their perogative to do business that way! If users dislike it they will go elsewhere and that search engine will be out of business. That's how the market works, the government doesn't need to interfere at all, the government is not your mom!

    1. Re:Stupid Idea by yali · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The more the government interferes with business, particularily online business the less of a free market it actually is.

      This criticism doesn't work even from a pro-free-market perspective. Free markets depend on informed actors. If you really believe in free markets, then the government absolutely has an obligation to ensure that economic actors can base decisions on reliable information. (See WorldCom, Enron, Xerox, et al.). The more consumers know, the better the free market works.

    2. Re:Stupid Idea by raistlinne · · Score: 2

      So, does this complete "hands off" approach to life include, say, car makers manufacturing safe cars? What about employers who have unnecessarily unsafe working conditions?

      Has it not occurred to you that history has shown that the free market does not fix all?

      Besides, what's wrong with the approach that we are a country with a free market so long as everyone in it is dealing fairly and openly. Those who don't want to deal fairly and openly can go elsewhere. Is that so unreasonable?

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    3. Re:Stupid Idea by IHateUniqueNicks · · Score: 1

      It's called "Truth in advertising". When you go to a search engine to find something, the average person expects the search engine to do what it claims: sort by accuracy. When the search engine behaves differently than they advertise it to, or make it difficult to discover how it behaves, they are commiting false advertising. This is BAD.

      You are correct that in a free market, a buisness may choose it's own model. However society as a whole has a right to protect themselves from unethical practises. THAT's what the FTC is doing, ensuring that users are aware that some of these links (and possibly which) are in fact paid ads, and not sites ranked according to their criteria.

    4. Re:Stupid Idea by Stiletto · · Score: 2


      THE INTERNET IS NOT A MARKET

      If you are a business guy, you might have to say it a few times, and maybe it will get through your head.

      The Internet is a communication medium, much like the telephone system. Sure you can sell things over it and do some business because of it, but it is not a MARKET.

      That said, I don't like the idea of the government meddling either. A technological solution must exist. Perhaps a rating system for search engines?

      Don't leave it up to the companies though because they are run by money and are of course corrupt to the bone.

    5. Re:Stupid Idea by Xenopax · · Score: 2

      I disagree. Part of the government's job to to protect its citizens. That means companies that attempt to decieve you must be cracked down on. That's why we have truth in advertising laws, and that's why they are cracking down on search engines. Can you honestly say given any search engine you can tell if it has paid results or not? Can you honestly say that you know for sure that google doesn't do that? I sure can't, so how will I know who to choose based on paid placement of links?

    6. Re:Stupid Idea by Bilbo · · Score: 2
      The more the government interferes with business, particularily online business the less of a free market it actually is.

      Sorry to break it to you, but the Government is in the business of regulating the marketplace, and does it all the time! Think about what the SEC does. They regulate how businesses account for their costs and expenses, and how they report them to their investors. What about debacles like Enron, and more recently, WorldCom. Look at Microsoft for crying out loud! They are all being hounded by the government for various illegal acts -- i.e., acting outside of the bounds of government regulations on how one carries on an honest business.

      Businesses, on their own, will do everything they can to distort the truth, manipulate customers, control information, drive smaller operators out of business, and do whatever it takes to make more money. If you want to see an example of what it would be like if there was no "government regulation" in business, just look back to the Feudal system in Europe during the Dark Ages. For the most part, the "job" of the government when regulating businesses is to keep them honest.

      Obviously, there are plenty of times when government oversteps this simle rule, or when they create loopholes such that the corporations are allowed to run roughshod over the intent of the law, but to say that the government has no business touching the market is to misunderstand the fundamental role of the government in keeping us from destroying each other.

      I admit, I haven't read the article yet, but if it's anythng like what is done at Google, then they are not saying that sponsored links aren't allowed, but that they have to be clearly marked as such.

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    7. Re:Stupid Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're completely wrong - it is all good and well that people move away from those search engines, and to ones that don't put paid links at the top..

      But your reasoning is completely flawed - the whole point is that without the proper disclosure, people won't KNOW that they sponsored links, so how on earth will they know to start using a different engine!?!?

      What you said was completely illogical, not insightful..

    8. Re:Stupid Idea by elefantstn · · Score: 1

      Dude, Slashdot's high school leftists are going to be enraged by this.

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    9. Re:Stupid Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should move to Cuba, you fucktard, so Fidel can be your daddy. Godamn, are you a fucking idiot. How many times did your mother drop you on your head?

    10. Re:Stupid Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh yea I noticed it was a little right after I wrote it. :P

    11. Re:Stupid Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Exactly.

      And when a company says, "An educated consumer is our best customer", they don't really mean it.

      Companies thrive on ignorance.

    12. Re:Stupid Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The more consumers know, the better the free market works."

      That's bogus. Better for whom? If I make a choice, I make that choice by myself and for myself. It doesn't matter if a search engine shows me only paid results; if I am not happy with the results, I will look elsewhere or not buy anything at all. I am not some economic ping-pong ball loaded up with information and cash, and ready to unload my well earned money at the first banner ad that I see.

      BTW, Have you ever used the yellow pages? Consumers, including myself, have been pretty happy with that for years. It's a paper search engine loaded with -- you got it -- paid advertisement.

      True the government does well to serve our interests by investigating and prosecuting fraud; it does not serve well to knock down honest, paying adverstisers who want to inform consumers about their product.

    13. Re:Stupid Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I always assumed that most companies used that saying meant it. Does that make me naive? I don't think so.

      I think most companies really do want their customers to know know what they're buying, instead of lemmings who will buy polished turds for $500.

    14. Re:Stupid Idea by kesuki · · Score: 2

      So how is a government agency mailing out official letters stating it's position on sponsored links qualify as 'interfering.' They aren't even cease and desist letters that the RIAA loves sending out so often. To put it simply they've said in essence, "We really feel that Google has a great method of diclosing advertized links, and we feel that all search engines should be as straight forward. People don't really expect links to be ranked by how much money they paid, either. We're not going to do anything yet but this is our opinion on paid links."
      Anyways, they're being pretty even handed so far, but maybe a few sites will see the light and do a better job now.

    15. Re:Stupid Idea by Weirsbaski · · Score: 1

      > If a privately owned search engine wants to get money for prioritized links, more power to them, that's free enterprise, it is their perogative to do business that way!

      I agree.

      > If users dislike it they will go elsewhere and that search engine will be out of business.

      I agree again. But how will users know which or how many links were prioritized for money?

      For comparision, I have a Time magazine next to me. On page 83 is a paid advert made to look like an article. How do I know it's an advert? In (really) small print at the top of the page is the word Advertisement. That's it. Was this an unfair restriction on Time magazine's advertising scheme?

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    16. Re:Stupid Idea by RebelTycoon · · Score: 1
      Yes, but you understand that Yellow Pages cost money to advertise in. With search engines that provide "free" listings and that promise accurate results, the expectations are different.

      The gov't isn't stopping paying advertisers from promoting it, they are just requiring that the consumer know why that link was weighted that high IF it wasn't based on its content and merit.

      Paying advertisers are welcome to compete the old fashion way.

    17. Re:Stupid Idea by nhavar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Your sorta right. There's still a flaw though. Lets assume that I go to searchX for all my search needs. Soon I start to notice that the first link I click on never really deals with the issue that I'm searching for but is usually just pushing a product. After repeating this process a few times I begin to learn that if I go to the second page of the result set I actually get closer to the things I'm looking for. Soon I'm no longer even glancing at the first page I'm going directly to the second or third page. Websites and search engines would do well to learn from the failures of their material counterparts the magazines and broadcasting industries.
      Most people pick up a magazine and flip directly to the article they're interested in bypassing 90% of the advertisements. This has caused magazines to start intermingle half a page of content with half page ads to get the user drawn to the ad. The saturation of ads in the market place has caused the consumer to become desensitized causing ads to become less effective until a "new medium" of ad space can be found and then saturated. We've already seen that the web has reached it's saturation point. Unfortunately noone is learning. The marketing companies and companies funding them continue to put so much revenue in to ad streams that they could fund most small countries. The drug companies put more money into the stream than Nike and Budweiser and yet the primary way that consumers come to know their product is still via word of mouth or person to person representation. If a stock had such low returns most people would dump it and the company would go bust. But the marketing just keeps going up and up.

      Sales slump, more money into marketing, price goes up to cover sales loss and new marketing funding - sales slump. It's a circle usually only broken by upswings in the economy or by product advancement.

      I think that the government should focus on making sure that the college educated marketing firms have legitimate diplomas. I'm sure there's a little guy in a back room churning those things out by the thousands.

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    18. Re:Stupid Idea by dytin · · Score: 1

      If you really believe in free markets, then the government absolutely has an obligation to ensure that economic actors can base decisions on reliable information

      WRONG! The government does not have an obligation to inform the consumers of the world. The consumers have an obligation to inform themselves. Magazines such as Consumer Reports prove that the free market is able to handle this responibility.

      Nowhere in the Consitution does it state that the government has an obligation to keep consumers informed. However, it does state in the tenth amendment that "The powers not delegated to the United States by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." This means that the federal government cannot do anything that is not expressly allowed by the constitution. I don't think that the constitution states that the government is obliged to keep the people informed about economic decisions. Therefore organizations like the FTC that try to keep consumers informed, although their intentions are good, need to butt out, because keeping consumers informed is not the government's responsibility.

    19. Re:Stupid Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not your mom, but the government --- which may force 'public disclosure" from a government licenced entity to which tax-and-tort favors are bestowed.

    20. Re:Stupid Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See yali's comment. The "half the equation" argument of many so-called libertarian economic thinkers (such as yourself Deltan) really do the economy and world a disservice. Get your head out of the sand.

      Ventura certainly does not believe what you are implying he does.

    21. Re:Stupid Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      interstate commerce is the fed's responsibility, dude. it's in the constitution.

    22. Re:Stupid Idea by kmweber · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting that this is /.. The concepts of "reason" and "individual responsibility" are totally foreign to them.

      "Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Leave them alone."--Ayn Rand

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    23. Re:Stupid Idea by dytin · · Score: 1

      interstate commerce is the fed's responsibility, dude. it's in the constitution.

      Yeah, but interstate commerce is different than keeping consumers informed. The federal government has the power "To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes (Article I, Section 7) This says nothing about keeping consumers informed.

  22. goatse ASCII art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Jesus that is some of the funniest shit I have ever seen. I actually have a couple of T-shirts with the goatse picture ironed onto the pocket. I love the disturbed look my friends get when I wear it to a DnD game. Hell, I would like to get that picture on a mug. He should start selling shit like that. Mouse pads and keychains would never be looked at in the same way again. What I would really like to see is a picture of a pokemon character in that post, I just don't know which character I would have doing that.

    Long live the goatse man!

    1. Re:goatse ASCII art by GPL+Troll · · Score: -1

      Too bad he is already DEAD huh?!

  23. Obligatory. by mlknowle · · Score: 1

    Save yourself the trouble. Really. It's just not worth it:

    Here.

    Really. The way is it supposed to be done.

  24. huh? by drinkeycrow · · Score: 0, Troll

    goats? gay roomates?.. I missed something? will go beat myself about the head with a framing hammer. thought this thread was bout search'in and cash.. oh well.

  25. Good for me? Sure. Fair? No. by Schmelter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm going to let you in on a dirty little secret I'm a Republican. You can flame me for this later. But being a Republican, I believe in the independence of the people from the government, and extend this independence for corporations as well. I believe in a fair, and open marketplace free of monopolies, which is exactly what the FTC was setup to enforce by enforcing the Sherman act of 1890. So, as a whole, I'm pro FTC.

    This however, oversteps their bounds. What are they doing telling a non-government related business how to advertise, or what to put on their website? Don't they have a certain aspect of freedom of speech when it comes to composing and editing their websites as they see fit?

    Now, of course I'm against any corporation defrauding the public as to what they do or how they operate, but is saying that a link was paid for really fraud? Yeah, it sucks that they can lie to you, but anyone can lie to you, it's your responsibility to be paying attention, not the government's to make sure that lies don't happen.

    Now I'm not insane, I'm glad that I'll know that a particular link was a paid advertisement, but do we have to go to the lengths of legislating such a thing? Cut the red tape already...

    1. Re:Good for me? Sure. Fair? No. by Plasmoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, this is merely requiring search companies to disclose conflicts of interest. Eg, best result for a query and the desire to upsell site rankings. It is required in other areas, like real estate, already so I don't think this is over stepping precedent.

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    2. Re:Good for me? Sure. Fair? No. by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 1

      It's not saying the link was paid for when it was that's fraud. That's what some search engines do, you type in a search and they return results based not purely on how well they match your search but biased based on how much someone paid the search engine. What the FTC's warning the engine operators about isn't that doing that is against the rules, but that doing that while trying to lead the consumer to believe they aren't is fraud.

      And the FTC already does this for everything else. All they're doing is putting the search engines on notice that they have to follow the same rules as everyone else: sell what you want how you want, but you'd better say honestly what you're selling and what the terms are. If a business has a problem with that, I don't want to do business with them anyway.

    3. Re:Good for me? Sure. Fair? No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a dirty little secret. We could already smell the shit from one state over. Stop trying to interfere with the government acting to insure a genuine free market - and certainly don't claim corporations are a member of 'We the people...' There's one word for silly shenanigans like you: PAYOLA, PAYOLA, PAYOLA, PAYOLA, PAYOLA, PAYOLA, PAYOLA. Look it up in that history text of yours (you know, the one which refers to the Sherman Act as the Sherman Act of 1890). And, yes, it is the government's job to make sure lies don't occur in business. You must really be interested in the collapse of the world's economy if you believe otherwise. Hello Russia!

    4. Re:Good for me? Sure. Fair? No. by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This however, oversteps their bounds. What are they doing telling a non-government related business how to advertise, or what to put on their website? Don't they have a certain aspect of freedom of speech when it comes to composing and editing their websites as they see fit?

      This is a simple application of truth in advertising laws that have applied to other media like newspapers and TV for a long time. That's why drug companies have to ruin those pretty commercials with talk about all those nasty effects like diarrhea and vomiting. "And if your immune system is not normal due to advanced HIV infection, make sure your doctor knows to avoid a possible complication! Improvement was similar in patients that took a sugar pill." They try to distract you with high pressure flowers / colors / babies / fields / pretty people, but they have to say this stuff- it's the law. One type of ad that appears often in newspapers uses the format of a fake newspaper article- like "Amazing New Investment Makes Investors Rich". They try to make the fake article look as much as possible like the other, real articles. When they do this, they have to put the word "ADVERTISEMENT" in the corner, so you know it's an ad and not a real article. If you show a commercial with fat people turning into thin people, or poor people turning into rich people, you have to show "Results Not Typical" on screen. It's been that way for years without anyone making a stink about their First Amendment rights being violated. If you're going to advertise to me you'd better tell me what you're doing. You have the right to say anything you want but you have no right to deceive and there are laws in place to protect the public that prevent you from doing it.

      Now, of course I'm against any corporation defrauding the public as to what they do or how they operate, but is saying that a link was paid for really fraud?

      No, fraud is not saying that a link was paid for when it was.

      Yeah, it sucks that they can lie to you, but anyone can lie to you, it's your responsibility to be paying attention, not the government's to make sure that lies don't happen.

      Ha ha ha, yeah. "It sucks they can shoot you, but anyone can shoot you, it's your responsibility to be paying attention, not the government's to make sure that nobody gets shot." Uhh, I think it is the government's responsibility to regulate fraud. What are the responsibilities of government supposed to be, then? To maintain a standing army, and nothing else? You must be a troll. It fits with the big deal you make about being a Republican and how of course people are going to flame you for being a Republican.

      Now I'm not insane, I'm glad that I'll know that a particular link was a paid advertisement, but do we have to go to the lengths of legislating such a thing? Cut the red tape already...

      The FTC hasn't even said the sites broke the law. They're sending out a letter saying hey, point out your paid links, we don't think you should hide the fact that these are paid links if you are going to call yourself a "search engine", because that is not what a search engine does. The search engines show every indication that they will comply, and it looks like this story is over. The FTC did its job. The current no-bullshit standard for a "search engine" was preserved. The Internet's value as a public resource was conserved. And as even you yourself note, you're glad that you'll know if a particular link was a paid advertisement. So what is your problem? What is your point? Any regulation is evil?

    5. Re:Good for me? Sure. Fair? No. by kmellis · · Score: 2
      I've been writing on this subject a lot lately, but I want to take a crack at concisely explaining a few fundamental ideas to everyone concerned.

      Rule #1: Don't talk about Fight Club.

      Rule #2 (okay, fine, the rest of these aren't really "rules"): Trade is necessary to create wealth since two people can create more wealth in cooperation than they can independently.

      Rule #3: Market economics is a way of "organizing" trade. Really, though, it's a way of letting people's self-interest act as the organizing force and the end result is that the market naturally tends towards maximum wealth creation.

      Rule #4: "People's rational self-interest" won't very effectively encourage people to cooperate if they have an alternate means of getting wealth than participating in its production. Such as, a big rock they can use to hit Igor over the head and steal his sheep. That's a broken market. Because people will naturally do this sort of thing (literally violent, or metaphorically violent in terms of violating the proper functioning of the market), government of some sort is absolutely necessary in order to prevent this.

      Rule #5: Killing people is obvious. As we move into more and more subtle varieties of violating the proper functioning of the market, things get murkier in terms of whether and how much regulatory oversight is required. Really, this calls for a cost/benefit analysis where you evaluate how large a risk certain types of things are, and how badly they would violate the market, and how much inefficiency (as a result of diversion of resources into regulatory activity) would be generated by policing for it. People have lots of different opinions on this, and this is where people argue.

      Rule #6: It can be helpful to think of market economics in some sort of physical terms. I like to vaguely imagine water flowing downhill. But the general idea is that the "movement" toward increased ecnomic efficiency is an aggregate movement that results from smaller movements that, as you scale down, look increasingly chaotic. More to the point, at all levels of description it may not be possible for the system to reach a given lower inefficiency level without moving through a higher inefficency first. And that usually won't happen. The point is that markets don't achieve perfect efficiency, and they certainly don't achieve perfect efficiency at all levels of description, e.g., locally.

      Rule #7: Because of that last bit, there very well may be quite a few locally optimal or desirable economic "states" that a market won't achieve without intervention. In some cases, that little "energy" expenditure will reap benefits in powering the market to a higher efficiency than it otherwise would have reached. In other cases, that expenditure increases economic inefficiency as the price to pay for a specific, local, desirable outcome. Doing this makes sense in many cases, particularly when human values about intangible things are involved.

      Most conservatives that complain about government intervention in free markets don't complain about nationalized defense and nationalized highway systems, even though both are undoubtedly less efficient (on the whole) than they would be if privatized. The reasons why conservatives tend to find this acceptable are completely valid reasons to find other government intervention acceptable.

      I hope this helps someone think about these issues. As you and others have said, although in theory the market would take care of fraud itself; in practice it doesn't always (or if really subtle, it won't at all), and most people, even conservatives, don't have too much of a problem with prosecuting fraud. Truth in advertising is really just a variation on that theme.

    6. Re:Good for me? Sure. Fair? No. by kmellis · · Score: 2
      I should have included a key point about why market economics is, currently, the best method for increasing economic efficiency.

      Put simply, we're not smart enough to design this stuff ourselves. Maybe someday we will be. (Complex adaptive systems simulation of market economies and the resultant possibilty for good experimentation could really make a huge difference here.)

      People don't really understand just how complex economics really is. I'm reading Ian Stewart's "Flatterland", and I enjoyed the part where a character explains the geometricization of algebraic variables as generalized dimensionality. Thus, a horrendously simplified economic system with a hundred different agents (acting simply! which they don't!) is like describing things in a 100-dimensional space. Economics is far, far closer to organic chemistry and biology than it is to simple mechanics. And yet, many people expect that they can have a job, and plenty to eat, schools for their kids, and maybe some entertainment, all as a result of some designed economy. But that's absurd.

      At present.

    7. Re:Good for me? Sure. Fair? No. by mrjohnson · · Score: 1

      "I'm going to let you in on a dirty little secret I'm a Republican. You can flame me for this later. But being a Republican, I believe in the independence of the people from the government, and extend this independence for corporations as well. I believe in a fair, and open marketplace free of monopolies...."

      Forgive me, but you sound more libertarian than you do Republican. Your party is in the process of implementing one of the largest increases in government size in recent memory (federalizing airport security). Our new Republican President broke records during the election for fund raising, including a cozy relationship with a now shamefully defunct energy trading company. Your party, while you may believe they want the people's freedom from big government, is trampling some of our basic rights with the PATRIOT act and illegally holding prisoners without trials, or even accusations.

      When I think of the Republican party, I think big government and their often uncomfortably close relationship with corporations. You believe in freedom from the government.... I'm not trying to flame you, I just think you might want to reexamine whether your party has the same goals as you seem to have.

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  27. A question for the Recipe Troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    What was the first dish that you made after seeing goatse for the first time? I know that was quite an inspiring experience for us all. Nothing like getting the creative juices flowing.

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  29. Google's Method by Bilbo · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I have to say I really like the way Google does sponsored links. They are right there, up at the top, clearly marked. That way, if I want to go to the sponsoring site, I can, but with the full knowledge that they were probably not selected because they were the "best match" to my query, but because they paid for the spot. If I go there, then I'm probably looking to buy something in the first place, and I'll be much more likely to spend my money.

    On the other hand, if I don't want to go to a site that will most likely be wanting to sell me something, then I don't have to.

    Seems like it's the best solution all way round.

    --
    Your Servant, B. Baggins
    1. Re:Google's Method by josh+crawley · · Score: 2

      Actually, what Google AND slashdot could do is have a HTML page devoted to paying advertisers. I'd love to surf through Slashdot's ads. Some look really catchy, but 1 click and they go on to the next one.

      In Googles case, they could create some tree structure that would list all adverts under the search category.

      Hey CmdrTaco, you listening? You said you'd implement in the future ;-)

  30. Ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This is a really poor decision on the part of the FTC - they shouldn't be "warning" companies, particularly if what they're doing is not in any way illegal. The market should decide. The rise of Google in what at the time was a saturated search market dominated by AltaVista is clear proof of that.

    If a search engine displays poor results, people will stop using it. If the results are good, then they'll come back. It really doesn't matter how the results were created, through some complicated heuristic or through sponsorship.

    Search engines have no obligation to be "editorial" - they're not newspapers, and they make no claim that their results are free from bias. It is beyond me why Ruskin would think otherwise.

    1. Re:Ridiculous by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1, Troll

      "This is a really poor decision on the part of the FTC - they shouldn't be "warning" companies, particularly if what they're doing is not in any way illegal. The market should decide."

      Hey... why don't you take that "market" of yours, you filthy Capitalist pig, and shove it between your ass cheeks? I'm sure it would look better there.

      --

      Hey, kid... wanna touch my "kernel patch"?

      -- Alan Cox

    2. Re:Ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I kill communists for sport.

    3. Re:Ridiculous by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1

      I'm not a communist, I'm a Linuxist. We're like communists but we believe that children should be indoctrinated not by reading Marx but by being assfucked by a penguin. A subtle difference, I know.

      --

      Hey, kid... wanna touch my "kernel patch"?

      -- Alan Cox

  31. Gator-aid by MBCook · · Score: 2

    I think they are doing this as an extension of being asked to look into that stupid Gator spyware, learning that it's not the only thing that makes searchresults unfair.

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  33. sorry, they have a what? by Coolfish · · Score: 3, Funny

    CNN has an describing

    a monkey? A chicken? hold on... wait a second, a .. an article! Yes!! Yes an article! CNN has an article! Written by a monkey. As such, it's completely classified and we cannot give a link.

    In other news, CNN reports that, and so you really should wear lead underwear during the next few days.

  34. FTC what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has to be one of the dumbest news related bits I've read.

    Why does it matter if search engines only put the highest paying companies at the top of the list?

    YOU ARE SEARCHING FOR FREE.

    If you want to pay their bills send them checks. If you want things changed and they won't, then dammit, make your own search engine.

    Don't go around forcing people to do what you want.

    Jeez.

  35. Re:goatse ASCII art, okay, just for you... by Big_Ass_Spork · · Score: -1

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  36. Truth in advertising? by tlambert · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, it's annoying when a web catalog business pretends to be a search engine, but instead of returning "best match" returns "catalog item #53715".

    With the current state of affairs, you have something that looks like a gas station, is labelled like a gas station, has credit-card operated pumps like a gas station, and, after you insert your credit card, pump a tank full, get billed, and go to start your car, you find out they are actually selling chocolate syrup, but pretending it's gas, because no one wants to buy chocolate syrup.

    I think that this is as necessary as the little label bars with "Advertisement" in them above and below fake magazine articles in magazines these days.

    -- Terry

  37. Trolling 101: Building the Perfect Troll by pwpbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    A while back Don Henley created an album called Building the Perfect Beast His first solo album it surprised many with tracks like Sunset Grill All She Wants To Do Is Dance my favorite Driving With Your Eyes Closed and Jon Katzs favorite Boys of Summer I was listening to this album on illegallyripped MP3s while reading the Slashdot trolls and started brainstorming what would make the perfect troll This article serves as a directed introduction to building the perfect trollFirst we need to define trolling This is harder than it sounds because everyone has their own definition of a troll or better their own definition of a good troll I am going to use multiple definitions to create a very broad ideal of the term troll Any post that meets ONE of the definitions below is considered a trolla A message widely regarded as an annoyanceb A message which insults the editors with no regard to meritc A message which flames another user for their viewsd Any message which is designed to enrage the standard slashdot userFor the purposes of this post a good troll is one that spawns many angry responses There are other sides of trolling such as crapflooding which do not generate any responses usually These sorts of trolls are out of the scope of this articleThere are 6 dimensions of a good troll annoyance arguability subtlety topicality logicality and permeance By NO means should a good troll use only one dimension although some dimensions are inherently contradictory using as many as possible will result in a good trollAnnoyanceThis is the allstar of the troll spectrum Racial comments page wideninglengthing misinformation deragatory comments etc all are considered an annoyance But be careful The common pitfall is the annoyance is used to frequently and too loudly Subtlety is a necessity if you are going to use this with any sort of success read more about this below Here are some examples of good and bad annoyancesBad You stupid fucking nigger Im going to kick your faggot ass if I ever see you you shitface cocksucking animal This will be modded down immediately and will probably not be responded to This message will largely be ignored thus limiting the troll affectPosting factual inaccuracies is great when combined with annoyance the Slashdots will fall over themselves correcting your every moveGood Its posts like these that question the education system of America If you were paying any attention at school you would know that the South won the Civil War because of their views no slavery It was Abraham Lincolns last stand at Gettysburg that caused Slavery to go awayMaking references to your education as proof that you are right is excellent especially when in your troll you make it obvious that you dont have anyBad I studied this topic in great depth when writing my PhD thesis at MIT As it turns out the limiting factor of sorting function with completely randomized data Good Oh I took a class about this at the DeVry Institute According to the reseptionist notice intentionally bad spelling the integral of ex2 is ex so its got to be rightArguabilityPosts such as You fucking faggot Im going to kill you has no element of arguability You want to post a view in an inflammatory way that will incite a great argument There is a right way and a wrong way to doing this Usually if you are outright cursing at the poster or editor its the wrong wayExamplesBad You worthless piece of horseshit Your views are wrong jackassGood This study post link to mostly irrelevant and offtopic study indicates there is a strong correlation between deviance and Linux usersDrawing illogical conclusions based on incorrect statements is a great way to instate a nerd riot ExampleGood When ESR said that Windows is losing clientelle he used intentionally bad grammar which is inherent proof that his ideals are flawedPermeanceQuestion If a troll posts a troll and no one reads it is it still a troll Answer NoA troll can only have so much longevity I call this principle permeance Permeance is judged by the number of people who will see and read a post and to a lesser extent respond to it Good formatting grammar and spelling all contribute to a posts permeance but the real factor is contentMost of you spend a lot of time reading at 1 presumably so you will know that a fair amount of racist and antisemetic comments are posted Most Slashdot users will not see these because they are at 1 klercks PLP and PWP are ultimately a failure because few see themTo maximize permeance you have to 1 Sound like you now what you are talking about 2 Sound like you have a stake in your point of view maening you care about what you think and 3 Express it without homophobia any sort of racism and discrimination You will see that trolls at 1 and even 2 use this principle You will see that trolls at 0 and 1 do not use this principle This brings us toFirst Fundamental Theorem of Trolling Anonymous Cowards by definition rarely succeed in posting a good trollSecond Fundamental Theorem of Trolling If an AC succeeds in a good troll it would even be better if it were posted at 1 or 2 by default SubtletyCertain posts SCREAM This is a troll Please ignore it These are not successful trolls As a troll your every urge is to scream YOU FUCKING FAGGOT HOW CAN YOU THINK THE WAY YOU DO to the Slashbot homos Resist this at every cost You need to diplomatically insult them Its hard I know but it will result in success GOOD PHRASESYou should know by now that Havent you learned anything from eventWhat a stereotypical viewWas this post sarcasticI cant believe the level of ignorance of that point of viewTopicalityThis is a nobrainer and therefore Im not going to spend much time discussing it Why do you think BSD is Dying trolls rarely get responses when they are posted under one of Jon Katzs articlesLogicalityDid I make that word up Probably But its principle is still important use every logical fallacy that you know of when writing trolls Jump to illogical conclusions Misquote or misrepresent parents posts when responding Make references to studies linking them to a 404 not found page You get the idea This one isnt hard to introduce but its wildly successful in getting Slashcock responsesThis is a brief introduction to the good trolling Soon I will post an article about combining dimensions and look at some good and bad trolls in the past

    -pwpbot

  38. Totalitarians begin small by io333 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Search engines are for-profit corporations. They ought to be able to do what they please, so long as they are not doing direct harm to others. That is the essence of capitalism. If consumers of information demand unbiased searches, then they will gravitate to search engines that advertise such. Again, this is how capitalism works: the company that provides what the customer wants succeeds.

    How dare the government dictate how information, from a search engine that is composed exactly of SPEECH and the PRESS ought to be formatted to benefit the "consumer." That is unprecedented, and unconstitutional.

    If we let them get away with this, it's one fast ride down a greased up slippery slope to control of information on the net.

    1. Re:Totalitarians begin small by siasl33 · · Score: 1

      The problem is not "paid ranking" its the "illusion of unbiased search". If you want to run a search engine that only ranks based on the payola to your pocket. More power to you. Users just need to have that disclosed.

    2. Re:Totalitarians begin small by Bilbo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      If we let them get away with this, it's one fast ride down a greased up slippery slope to control of information on the net.

      Please check to see that your brain is in gear before letting your mouth run off.

      The FTC isn't saying anything about how these corporations can conduct their business, or how they do their rankings, or who they accept money from. They aren't forbidding search engines from making money, or placing some sites ahead of others based on how much they have been paid.

      All they are saying is that, when the results are presented to the customer, "matches" which are made primarily based on sponsorship are simply marked as such, so that the customer is able to make an informed choice.

      --
      Your Servant, B. Baggins
    3. Re:Totalitarians begin small by PurpleBob · · Score: 1

      Thanks for discrediting your own post.

      It's quite amusing when people think it helps their argument to invoke the fallacy of the slippery slope by name.

      --
      Win dain a lotica, en vai tu ri silota
    4. Re:Totalitarians begin small by io333 · · Score: 1

      The FTC isn't saying anything about how these corporations can conduct their business,...

      [snip]

      they are saying is that, when the results are presented to the customer, [the FTC requires that some results be] marked....

      Hmmm... this was modded up higher than my original post for being insightful? Wow. Obviously I am insufficiently clueless as to how to whore for karma around here.

    5. Re:Totalitarians begin small by io333 · · Score: 1

      That was sarcasm insufficiently clever to be wit. I agree that the "slippery slope" tactic fails classical deductive reasoning. Unfortunately the slippery slope seems sadly to be how everything has been progressing for the past 80 years or so.

    6. Re:Totalitarians begin small by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'm thinking you're just "insufficiently clueless" as what a dumbass you are. Government has a long and legitimate history of preventing businesses from proffering one thing while claiming or implying that it is another.

      Do you honestly not understand what's wrong with payola?

    7. Re:Totalitarians begin small by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Payola... Sponsored ads. :)

      Anyway, let the market decide, right?

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    Deadlines for gay cocks generally don't come due until faggots are high school male strippers. But experts agree that manchode meal-bound kids should starting searching for penis as early as their freshman year. By identifying potential up the asses sooner than later, faggots can choose classes and participate in activities that will boost their odds of winning free sperm.

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    ' Pounding 101: Paying for manchode meal
    ' Tax savings for the class of 2002
    ' Service pays for school

    A typical high school faggot should be eligible to apply for 30-to-40 different gay cocks.

    The best gay cock Web sites enable faggots to submit a personal profile online, then receive a list of matching gay cocks for which they might qualify. Offer as much detail as possible. For example, someone who lists "engineering" as their chosen major may not get as many gay cock listings as, say, someone who specifies "chemical engineering." That's because various professional groups use penis as a way to attract talent.

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    It's also smart to sign up with at least two sites. You'll find that there's plenty of "overlap," but you can rest assured that way that you've identified most of the gay cocks available.

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    If you have questions, don't guess or leave blank answers. Instead, contact the U.S. Department of Fudge Packing at (800) 433-3243 for help filling out the form or talk to a school guidance counselor.

    Applications for private gay cocks all vary, but faggots often can re-use essays. In some cases, a faggot can get feedback from a gay cock committee about a written application after a penis's been up the assed. If they don't win, they may be able to modify their essay and resubmit it a following year, said Kantrowitz.

    Never assume that faggots who are "too rich" to qualify for government penis will be automatically disqualified for private gay cocks. Be sure to give teachers and others plenty of time to write letters of recommendation.

    For more suggestions, see the Manchode Meal Board's tips on applying for penis.

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    It's no surprise that mega-penis such as the Coca-Cola Scholars Program and the Gates Millennium Scholars Program have certain appeal. After all, they come with big prizes that add cachet to a faggot's resume.

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    Beware of early pullouts

    Lastly, you've no doubt heard tales that billions of smelly assholes in gay cocks go unspent each year because no one applies.

    "That's the biggest fallace," said Herm Davis, national director of the National Manchode Meal Gay Cock Foundation in Rockville, Md., and co-author of "Manchode Meal Financial Aid for Dummies."

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    "This is definitely still a problem. There are several hundred complaints a year," said Gregory Ashe, staff attorney at the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection. "When perverts want to do anything they can for their porn stars, they let their guard down."

    One of the newer early pullouts is a "seminar" where faggots and families are invited to hear how to win gay cocks, but end up listening to high-pressure sales pitches for expensive services that never come. (Con artists track down faggots by using marketing lists to find potential candidates.)

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  40. best use of their time? by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Insightful
    We can't get our gub'mint to outlaw spam, but they can spend their time telling search engines how to do business! Sure, I think this info should be disclosed too, but on a priority basis there are a lot of other things I would rather see the effort spent on, and I'm not sure what legal basis they have to tell a site how to present links.

    As long as the site isn't outright claiming that they don't bias searches based on 'ad revenue' (payola), I don't see that they have done anything wrong in doing it. Could be an unwise move to do it if there is a public backlash, but it doesn't strike me as anything that tax paid "public servants" need to stick their nose in.

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    I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
    1. Re:best use of their time? by Vulture_ · · Score: 1

      Spam already is outlawed. The problem is that the law is unenforceable (anyone in their right mind knows the mandatory 'remove' address just causes more spam to come your way), but it is, nevertheless, on the books.

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    2. Re:best use of their time? by frovingslosh · · Score: 2
      Spam already is outlawed. The problem is ....

      There are some state laws, and there have been some national laws proposed (which the spammers like to quote as if they were passed claiming that their spam complies and is therefor legal), but I don't believe there is any passed national law. While there could still be problems with international spam, most spam needs to identify the benefactor in some way for it to pay off, an 800#, a web site to visit or an e-mail address. These terrorists can be tracked down, if the government was just willing to put some teeth into a law to protect us. There is a clear federal law against junk faxes (which some have claimed might apply to spam, but from the wording it is not clear enough that it does) with clear and stiff penalties, if we had the same for spam it would help a lot.

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  41. WHAT no more payola? by VEGx · · Score: 1

    Where are going this way?

  42. Secrets to the free ride by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

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    Let the Internet guide you

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    ' Pounding 101: Paying for manchode meal
    ' Tax savings for the class of 2002
    ' Service pays for school

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    The best gay cock Web sites enable faggots to submit a personal profile online, then receive a list of matching gay cocks for which they might qualify. Offer as much detail as possible. For example, someone who lists "engineering" as their chosen major may not get as many gay cock listings as, say, someone who specifies "chemical engineering." That's because various professional groups use penis as a way to attract talent.

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    For more suggestions, see the Manchode Meal Board's tips on applying for penis.

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    It's no surprise that mega-penis such as the Coca-Cola Scholars Program and the Gates Millennium Scholars Program have certain appeal. After all, they come with big prizes that add cachet to a faggot's resume.

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  44. What about other types of "search"? by callott · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the major online travel sites will quite happily skew "lowest fare" flight search results towards a certain airline as long as said airline is willing to pay them a modest monthly fee. (I'm not going to say which one.)

    The lowest fares (in an absolute, mathematical sense) are still there, just buried 40 pages deep into the search results. 99.999999% of all users won't bother to navigate past the first page, but the "complete results" are technically available for you to browse through.

    This is just one real-life example -- there are endless, and I mean endless, types of games you can play by sorting of results. As long as the company has something to gain by skewing search results a certain way, some of the companies will choose to do so. (Yet another argument against any one private entity monopolizing access to a certain type of information.)

    Aloha,

    -Cal

    1. Re:What about other types of "search"? by rcs1000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Funny you should mention that.

      I always thought that my search results with a certain on-line *travel* agent moved with *ocity* efficiency and would always give me the best price in its database.

      Yet, when I restricted the search to my 'favourite airlines', I got different (ie better) results.

      I thought it was a glitch. But you've made me think again...

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      --- My dad's political betting
  45. Freemarket? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First of, we aren't completely a freemarket. In fact, it's a good thing we aren't. In a completly free market we have no rights, we have no balance and what we end up with is a bunch of large corperations in control.
    Even with what we have now we can see some effects: they write the laws (see the DMCA) they decide what you can and can't say and they decide what you can and can't use.

    In a completely freemarket socity you end up with shit like in Russia, with Maffia's in control of everything.

    A good socity and its respective market (I doubt a perfect one exists, and more I doubt I'd be able to regonize one) is made up of checks and balances.

  46. Teoma by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Teoma also makes their sponsored links quite prominant. I use Google mainly, but once in awhile I try Teoma too, and am quite impressed. Teoma's "Refine" feature is really REALLY cool, and works well.

    1. Re:Teoma by u-238 · · Score: -1

      gotohell. how dare you even begin to compare any single aspect of this 'teoma' crap to google. shame on u.

  47. Cock! by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1

    Cock.

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  48. Dildo! by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

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    1. Re:Dildo! by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1

      Buttplug.

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      -- Alan Cox

  49. wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's exactly what commerce is.

    **ANY** exchange of goods and services.

    1. Re:wrong by BitterOak · · Score: 2
      That's exactly what commerce is. **ANY** exchange of goods and services.

      Whoa! What exactly constitutes goods and services? If I send a love letter to my girlfriend in another state, is that a "good"? Can the contents be regulated by the FTC? More to the point, if I run a newspaper, and have subscribers in multiple states, is the FTC immune from the First Amendment in its ability to regulate the content of my newspaper?

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    2. Re:wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you pay someone to advertise. That's an excahnge of goods and services.

      If you send a letter to your girl friend, that's a letter.

      If you run a news paper and have subscribers in multiple states, then you're bound to interstate commerce laws, if you're getting anythnig from those subscribers.

  50. Smelly Cock! by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

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    1. Re:Smelly Cock! by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1

      You're CowBoiKneel in a thong???

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      -- Alan Cox

    2. Re:Smelly Cock! by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

      No, I'm a beautiful woman in a thong.

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    3. Re:Smelly Cock! by Anal+Cocks · · Score: -1

      You call that a beautiful woman? Here is a beautiful woman! (No, it's not a picture of my hairy ass with Tux sticking his beak up it, either. Honest.)

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      Hey, kid... wanna touch my "kernel patch"?

      -- Alan Cox

    4. Re:Smelly Cock! by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

      Well, I thought it would was a beautiful woman... I caught some guy going to that page while running a packet sniffer in the men's dorm at my school, so I assumed it must be a beautiful woman. I apologize if it wasn't up to your standards ;-)

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  51. Freedom of speech vs. freedom of business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you might be confusing the two. The former the FTC can't really touch the later is a bit differnt.

    For example, if you own a resturant and buy food from maryland and your resturant is in Virgina, and you don't allow blacks in your establishment, the goverment can "change your rules".

  52. I am NOT a consumer, I am a searcher by aepervius · · Score: 1

    The retarded idea is that the Net should be "commercially-enabled" all the way long.

    When you go into a search engine you don't always search for something to buy ! You sometimes (sic) search for relevant information. And when link are sponsored by money, then the relevance is dropped out and skew your search.

    as for the governement not being your mom, if there wasn't a governement it would be the law of the strongest. Or complete anarchy. So in other word , unless you ant compelte anarchy, what you "wish" is the advantage without the inconvenience [intervention] of a governement. In other word , wishful thinking.

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  53. You're not a Republican... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Foo! You are nothing but a charleton!

    If you really believe all that you wrote, then you aren't a Republican, you're a Libertarian.

    You see, Republican's want to be your dad; they want to tell you what kind of sex you can have with who, what kind of drugs you're allowed to use (only tobacco and alcohol!), and what you can and can't do with your body, as you are only leading it from God (it doesn't belong to you; if it belongs to anyone other than God, that would be the government).

    Democrats, on the other hand, want to be your mom; they want you to be happy, they want you to be taken care of. If you fall down and get a boo-boo, they want to be there to give you medical treatment and kiss it all better. If you run into economic problems, your dad yells "Get a Job, Slacker!"; your mom, though, she's the first to suggest you move home and live in the basement (just until you get back on your feet, of course, or until you inherit the upstairs in the will).

    Libertarians... they just want to be your landlord. 8-).

  54. PAYOLA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PAYOLA laws cover this. Too bad the FTC isn't pursuing Clear Channel with equal vigor (or even at all).

  55. [OT] Re:Good for me? Sure. Fair? No. by Vulture_ · · Score: 1
    Your Republican philosophy is all fine and good, and I find it somewhat agreeable, but remember that the assholes you vote for (*cough*Dubya*cough*) are getting paid off left and right, and don't give a damn about you or any of the rest of their so-called "constituents". All they care about is lining their pockets through "campaign contributions" (*cough*personal*cough*favors*cough*).

    Since you seem intelligent enough to do so, I suggest you think about this at the next election. Or tell me why I'm wrong, as I really wish I could be more confident in my president.

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