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New Palm Pictures?
New Palm writes "It looks like pictures of a new Palm os5 device codenamed 'Oslo' have hit the web. www.pocketpcthought.com had them up, but after a phonecall from Palm's Director of Global Information Security, pulled the pictures. A number of people are mirroring them. Looks semi-legit - but who knows, and who knows how long the images will stay up?
First "mirror" link is broken in the article...
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Compelling design, but a) looks fake as hell (look at the bottom left corner of the top half of the device, just above the graffiti area), and b) I'd hope that the BeOS guys are capable of a better application browser than the same old one all the older Palm OS's use.
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Probably until the Slash dot effect kicks in, and their monthly bandwith allowance is sucked dry like a raisin in the sun in Death Valley.
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First link:p g
http://home.earthlink.net/~ahecht/newpalm-large.j
It's the same pic as at the first link, only, different =)
http://www.linkdj.net/
Here is a better Mirror
About the device
-Interesting way to make the device smaller
-Still hard graffit?
-320x320 screen
kawai
The first mirror link, which as of now is broken, should be: http://home.earthlink.net/~ahecht/newpalm-large.jp g
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Isn't it interesting that the mirror link indicated in the slashdot article is to a site called davesipaq.com?
It looks like they took that dial interface from the ipod and shrunk it and stuck it in the middle of the typical palm buttons.
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Wow, what a blast from the past! Those images
displayed on the screen are from a Kodak PhotoCD
demo disk I did in like 1992! Where did they
come from?!?!
Nice looking machine though. A bit of IPAQ envy.
Take a look at the mirror. It looks like p.shop hacking up to me. The corners on the right are too sharp. I know he put rendered some clouds behind the image (God knows why) but this thing just reeks of photoshop shenanigans.
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Also mirrored here: http://www.jeffwilhelm.com/files/Palm.jpg
This might swell well in Japan where smaller is seen as better, but it seems more likely to stay on the shelves in the US for average consumers.
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I can picture the marketing meeting now...
Drone 1: Alright, listen up. So I leak these pictures...
Drone 2: Then we go out and tell everyone not to post them!
Drone 1: Brilliant! Let's all go home early and drink expensive wine.
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Q: "...who knows how long the images will stay up?"
A: Not long, if there linked here.
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Yuk, what an ugly mofo. Does it slide in though? That would make the device a bit of cool, at least.
Having been fed up with my Palm Vx slow processor and 8 MB limit, I completley had my mind made up about buyinng the new Sony Clie T665C. Now that the Palm OS 5 powered, ARM processor packed, devices are on the horizon, looks like I will suck up on my Vx a little longer. Hopefully not too long.
Anyone knows how long will it be till we get those?
That crap looks faker than the ignorant iWalk that people were jumping up and down about. Terrible Photoshop job indeed.
It looks like crap, actually it looks like some obscure pda that someone has stuck a palm logo on.
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This is a nice "Zaurus with graffiti"-esque look, but the screen is still the little tiny one found on all palms.
Except one. The Sony Clie NR70/V has a bigger screen, because instead of hiding the graffiti pad under some buttons, it's part of the screen. so, if you dont want graffiti pad, you get rid of it, and you've got more screen space. And with that integrated keyboard, you'll never need graffiti in the first place.
http://www.linkdj.net/
That alone might make be purchase one since my Handspring recently died.
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Even if the image is doctored, or even generated, in photoshop, so what? I cannot count the times that Marketing wanted something to show customers, but development hadn't come up with a working prototype yet.
Even if they are legit, who would want one looking like the one bottom-right out of those thumbnails. Looks like somebody got steamrolled, then pixellated with a 400x zoom.
And can anyone make out picture #5? (bottom row, middle pic).
I really hope that those pictures on it are just poor quality. They are very pixelicious. It looks like Palm is developing very nicely, they have came up with a very sleek design, anyway. Also, I wonder what the blurred out part beside "Oslo" used to be.
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This might of course just be one of those attempts to troll /., but that jog wheel in the lower portion of the device looks very much like Apple's iPod control wheel. Given that there have been many rumours of Apple/Palm cooperation and that Palm OS5 is supposed to have all sorts of new features, examples of which are improved QuickTime compatibility, and possibly inclusion of Apple's Ink handwriting technology, there could be some basis to these rumours. Apples' cracking down on rumour websites, as well as Palm offsetting risks to Apple entering the PDA market would be further grounds for interesting news next week at the MWNY.
OK, it's conceivable that the original image was drawn out of Duplo bricks, but if so, frankly, I've seen better ASCII art.
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It seems the ./ crew got so sick and tired of people trying to get 50 karma, they now changed it to a less quantifying system. (this is based on something i remeber reading a short time ago where a ./ member mentioned that giving karma a name and a value was the worst mistake they made with slashdot)
My karma used to be 50, but when i now view my info page, it now shows 'excelent'.
Very OT, i know, but i didnt find a reference to it yet, so i figured it was a interesting tid-bit to share
You can already run the emulator if you really care. But why would you? PalmOS 5 on ARM will run applications in interpreted 68k code; only the kernel will run in native ARM code (and maybe a few assembly routines you hand-code yourself). That means it will likely not run faster. It also doesn't look like there is going to be a lot of new functionality. Altogether, I don't see much reason to hold my breath for these devices. In terms of nifty hardware, the Sony's are hard too beat (although they are not the most reliable).
This device appears to be a fake - seems very contradictiva of what Palm has been saying.
First off, they pretty much told everyone that new product releases would slow to a crawl for a bit. Two reasons for this. One is that they have a LOT of inventory they want to discount and move. Sitting on inventory is bad. The other reason is that PalmOS 5 just got out of beta and released to licensees on June 10th. Don't forget that PalmOS and Palm Hardware operate as seperate entities, therefore the hardware group gets treated just like any other licensee.
I seriously doubt that Palm would release another device using the older OS as long as they are sitting on product.
Just my $.02...
--Jon
Oh that looks schweet. I have always loved the 5 seris because they are so slick, not to mention thin. Unfortunatly, I cannot justify the pricetag considering you can get a great processor and motherboard for that price at motherboards.com. I can always dream though.
1) The image is obviously doctored to some way since there is part of the name missing. You can see that it has been clone brushed over.
2) Hard graffiti area?! Why is it that Palm is so far behind the curve?
3) Please tell me that is a microphone at the top right so I can finally ditch my digital recorder.
4) Finally, what the heck is up with that picture in the bottom left?
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Here's a mirror of the pic(s) if need be. Have fun.
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To me, it looks like the lower half will be able to slide up to cover the graphiti area. That would make it have a pretty high "whoa" factor, but honestly I don't think it would lend itself to being very productive.
Not that I have ever been all that productive with graphiti.
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Or do those two mirror linked images look slightly different? At the top where it says "Oslo" on the actual device, it looks like the first link (earthlink) has a small sticker or something blurred out near there, whereas the second link (davesipaq) does not have the sticker/blurred portion.
If this is the same device, why is there this difference?
Looks semi-legit - but who knows, and who knows how long the images will stay up?
I just don't understand why I'm not allowed to put a picture to a web server? I'm not selling it, not violating their copyrights, i did not sign any NDA's and for the God's sake why some fu@#%ing so-called Director of Global Information Security can require me remove the picture from my web site?!
Finally a Palm with a button layout that can be useful for games! This has taken too long!
That's like someone bemoaning the fact that a GameBoy does not ship with good software for organizing business contacts. The market for handhelds is business people, not kids who want to play video games. In fact, if Palm devices start to be used for video gaming, the business market may start to regard them as toys rather than useful technology for professionals.
For the very first time, I'm happy I don't have the money to buy the newest hardware. I mean, what's with the graffiti? That pad being stuck there forever is one of the most annoying things. I'm happy I can't upgrade from my m100.
Glad to see that Palm is finally interested in designing less boring (albeit functional) hardware.
I hope they're not naming it that in leu of Norway's governmental competence or whaling practices...
Are you referring to the Norway that has the highest quality of life of any country in the world according to the UN, or some other Norway? Sounds like they have a competent government to me...
- The name (Oslo) is "photoshop edited", there is a strange area in front of the name, looks like they wanted to hide something.
- There is a mic on the top/right side
- The craddle is the same one used on the M505 model, isnt it?
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Yesterday afternoon I had 48 karma. Today it's excellent. No announcement from the editors. No update of the faq which still says the karma cap is 50, not 'excellent'. Since I guess I don't have the ability to track karma on a point basis anymore, I'm not going to post as an anonymous coward, cuz now I really don't fucking care if you mod me down as off-topic. Since there is no story about this, there is nowhere for me to make this comment and have it be on-topic, but it's clearly relevant to the slashdot community.
Thank you so much editors, now I will be free to troll and troll and troll, which is what this is going to encourage for anyone that had high karma. You really might want to reconsider how you view karma, you don't see it as a point keeping system, but it is. Once I had maxed out my karma a while back, I really lost interest in posting about most issues. What keeps people playing games like Everquest? The eternal desire to have more experience, more gold, more of some kind of point system than others. Same thing kept me posting.
No one linked to the actual story here:
c .p hp?t=2152
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopi
The image looked "doctored" because it was - the serial number was blurred out, but that's it. Palm also threatened this guy and he took down the images...
You are right. While speaking about bad design, the worst is the CD jewel case. I mean, they come out with compact discs -- awesome, but make the hinges on the jewel cases the weakest two pieces of cheap plastic known to man!
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Palm OS v5 is essentially the Palm OS kernel hacked to run on ARM with a few kludges for a bit of functionality that Palm OS currently lacks to make it competitive.
If these pix are real, they are far more likely to be of a unit running Palm OS v5 than v6 as v6 doesn't really exist yet except on whiteboards in the heads of the OS architects.
I have two hopes for v6:
- Palm Computing doesn't pull an IBM (OS/2 PPC) or an Apple (Copland, the original MacOS 8).
- The Be invasion of the software division of Palm Computing proceeds a la the NeXT invasion of Apple.
And I still think it a shame that Palm Computing decided that Linux (because of the GPL) was incompatible with their business model in relation to IP. It is also a shame that they didn't (apparently) look into one of the BSDs.Of course, the Be crowd was purchased at a fire sale price. I bet JLG is kicking himself in the head when the company he refused to sell to Apple for millions barely managed to get hundreds of thousands in liquidation.
I don't know, it looks kinda fake to me. There is a light glare on the screen that doesn't seem to translate over the case in the upper left corner. I'm no expert mind you but it doesn't look real to me.
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When are they going to get it right? Why can't they get past the square screen? Sony has it right, push the screen to the extents of the device.
When are people going to wake up and realize they're buying the exact same device that's been selling for years? Color screen? Great. Too bad it's a teeny-tiny one. SD card slot? Cool, but 95% of the people out there don't need it and won't use it.
For me, I stopped doing the Palm device thing when they discontinued the V line (which was just finally dropping in price to something worth purchasing) in favor of the m line, a ridiculously overpriced series of crap. Sorry, but Palm hardware is starting to seem more like FisherPrice's My First Handheld PC to me.
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The Palm's screen is totally uncentered in the case. This is an advanced looking prototype, but the width of the case between the left edge of the screen and the left edge of the case is 69 pixels, while between the right edge of the screen and the right edge of the case is 50 pixels. I added some marks and comments on the pic to illustrate this if you want to see what I mean more clearly, at http://www.argy.net/fakepalm.jpg. I'll delete the image around midnight GMT-5, so I don't get linked to from other Palm sites...feel free to make a copy if you want. Note that if you use IE with "enable auto image resizing," it could be hard to read, as the image is 824 pixels high, and the text won't resize cleanly.
Strange, the way the modding goes on /. sometimes. I genuinely was just speculating, but I suppose if someone's in a bad mood...
You mean like one of those things on a game console controler? In place of a mouse? Wouldn't that be a bit of overkill with a PDA having a stylus?
If you look at the image here you lose the photoshop tell tails on the edges. Also look at the flash reflechtion on the screen particularly at the top where you can see a fingerprint smudge. If it is a fake there's far more work in making it look real than was necessary.
A pda is computing device that is fully capable of playing games. I doubt that they choose the button layout in order to handicap it. If it had been pointed out to them early they might have corrected it. I can certainly see the usefullness of a left and right buttons outside of games, can't you?
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Surfed to the link and now there are 'pictures removed' and a note that the Palm lawyers called them wanting the high-res pictures with the SN of the unit to find out who's beta unit it is, and how to sue them for it.
So apparently it may be a real item, not a photochop.
As a rock-in-roll Physicist once said, No matter where you go, there you are.
320 x 320 color screen
fast processor
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doh, it alread exists, its a clie
http://www.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/
It must come with a fish pda and ice cube tray to store it in!
Live web cams
Okay while the pic of the OS might be real that palm pic is def. faked or def. edited.
come ON!
look at http://www.davesipaq.com/palm.htm
look at the top screen portion of the handheld...
now look in the lower left corner...
see the white? why are teh ends so exactly cut...
They could have at least given us a pic of it sitting in a persons hand - screw editing.
Bastards.
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I pulled the pic into a graphics editor and did a little magnification of the subject. I found a couple of interesting things.
There are some square-ish artifacts around the obviously oval "Slide Show" button that should not be there if the icon was generated. The same square-ish artifacts exist around the inverted triangle icon in the upper right.
Additionally, the right edge looks as if it was lifted from something else and dropped on there, or the overall dimensions were adjusted. At any rate it looks like somebody mucked with it.
So... for (int i=0; i 1000; i++) printf ("fake");
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I can't remember where, but I've definitely seen those pictures--the little girl with face paint and the hats on the wall--long ago. My first instinct is that they're part of the Photoshop 3.0 tutorial materials.
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I didn't know I wanted a pocket-based version of iPhoto in my life. What I THOUGHT I wanted was inexpensive wireless email, and an improved version of Graffiti that isn't so apres- 1995.
Hmm. No obvious antenna, and that aure looks like a standard Graffiti pad.
Thanks for straightening me out, Palm!
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What makes this photo so crazy (real or not) is the fact that there is the STAR icon in the grafitti area. That is the 'favorites' button that comes on the i705 wireless pda.
I think a wireless color palm would be a killer app.
I don't really mind double posts on
Ok, so as I was reading the comments I found various, "It's fake" and this that and the other thing. The one thing that threw me off is mention of a cloud background, I saw absolutely no clouds...
o cloud. Branding. SN Obscurity.
s . REBranding. SN Obscurity redone.
Until I found the OTHER image.
http://members.rogers.com/kawaichan/palm.jpg
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http://hisham.cc/files/pics/palmaroo.jpg
Cloud
The second one done by daves ipaq is horribly manipulated. It's quite obvious he wanted credit for it, and so modified it to have his cloudy background, removed the other guys branding, and removed the others SN Obscurity. You can tell, because half of the "o" on Oslo is mangled.
Dave, you suck, uninstall photoshop you fool.
If you want to zoom in 400X to see if you can detect any l33t choppage to claim your right as mastar-detective, use the first one.
Computational Madness in a round package.
The picture/pda looks pretty good and the slide-out panel to expose the Grafiti area is a nice touch too. Did you notice the 4 small icons around the Grafiti area? To launch these apps: clock, backlight, numPad, and keyboard. I think they should add 6 small icons in the corners of the virtuals buttons just to the sides of the Grafiti area and let us assign apps to them.
:)
I like the rounded edges of this PDA and now that we can go left and right from the front panel instead of just up and down. And a Select button.
If OS5 is really going to be multi-tasking then having OK and Cancel buttons like the Zaurus are a must for quick selection and exiting of data and apps.
IMHO.
LoB
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Just as I do not consider the NeXT invasion of Apple to have been complete until Rasphody shipped in the form of Mac OS X as the default Mac OS, I do not consider the Be invasion of Palm Computing to be complete until the next generation of Palm OS ships. (That is until what is currently referred to as v6 ships. That said, Mac OS released two major version updates and how many minor version updates prior to OS X? Palm Computing could conceivably do the same.)
And one never knows, despite Be's mighty engineering prowess, it might suck. . . .
I'm glad they are at least thinking about how to make the PDA less of a hassle to carry around. I think Oregon Scientific have the right idea with this one. Once you can carry a PDA w/o the obnoxious bulge in your pants they will finally be usable by normal people and not geeks. They need to basically disappear into your clothing to make them really useful.
Hmm I was pretty sure Canada got that title :)
I had a Mac Performa 600 w/ a CD-ROM drive-- that was a big step up from my apple iigs 10 years ago-- and it came with a sample Photo CD. The Performa took maybe 2 minutes to open up the 320x240 sized shots... thanks to its blazing 16Mhz 68030... but all of those pictures on that palm pilot's screen are from that sample photo cd from 10+ years ago. Just thought you'd like to know that.
</mac-nerd nostalgia>
As far as I know, all of Sony's devices have had it, the Handera has it, and some of Handspring's models too, if I remember correctly.
All before the iPod ever came out.
So, I wouldn't read too much into it. The biggest impact Apple is probably having on Palm is through the ex-Apple ex-Be people working on the OS after PalmOS 5 (not sure if it's PalmOS 6 or 5.5).
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Sharp released a brand new zaurus in Japan today ( or it was at least scheduled for today ). The main site is in Japenese and is here http://sl.ezaurus.com Linux devices is also carrying the story at http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3610510159.html
This just breaks my heart. I submit a story on the hot new linux powered Xscale pda hitting the shelves and my story gets rejected. Later that same day I see a story on "feather-powered circuits". I kid you not :)
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The first thing I asked myself was, "so what"?
Even if these pictures are real, it's just the same old Palm OS, now with color and a new body.
It's still yesterday's news in terms of the OS.
It's not innovative enough.
Palm is showing that they are resting on their laurels, and not driving the market forward.
WTF is up with this?
...because only kids play games right?
If that were the case, managers would not have to worry, would they? The fact that adults play games and get distracted from work by them is why so many managers are wary of things that look like game-playing devices.
Odd that the availablilty of PC games hasn't relegated them to toys.
It's not odd at all. The PC has long been accepted as a proven, valuable piece of technology in the office. Handhelds are not nearly so widely accepted and many people see no need for them. Make these people, many of whom are in management, believe that handhelds are just pocketable game machines that can also store some phone numbers, and handheld sales and adoption rates will slow.
The small speaker at the top acts as phone speaker (which can either be held against your ear or used as a speakerphone). Microphone is concealed in the direction pad (as the speaker is concealed in the direction pad of some PocketPCs). The LED is the activation LED for the phone. Dialing is on screen, ala Samsung. Star icon brings up the new browser Palm just purchased. Use closed for standard phone features, slide open to use Grafitti with Palm apps or in websites. Ask yourself why it's codenamed Oslo.
Over at O'Grady's Powerpage is a story about a Dane who connected a hard drive to his palm 3 and has OSX running on it. If you follow the links there are even two good videos demonstrating the system running.
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PDABuzz has more info and a artist conceptual drawing.
It looks pretty cool in white.
The Little girl is part of the printer test page for Mandrake linux 8.x
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In case the mirrors go down, or you don't like the mirrors that modified the picture (like Dave's iPAQ), try here: http://www.davespda.com/rumors.htm
I'm not a photoshop or GIMP user, but personally, I believe the pic is false.
:(
1) Look at the joystick-like pointer, where it meets the front molding. There are 'jaggies' - anyone who has toyed with a image editor knows how much of a pain they are.
2) There are three spots where the device shines, reflecting the light - on the screen, the palm emblem, and joystick. Assuming the joystick and emblem are real, look where on each reflection would put the light source. It would need to be, considering the joystick's reflection's angle, high up on the palm and to the left side. The emblem points toward it being lower.... (I've checked this with my m105.... I can't quite explain it, but look and you might be able to grab it.... it just doesn't look quite right
I had more points, but I've already forgotten them. What we need is hardware that keeps track of my mind so that I don't forget these little idiosyncracies. O-O
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1. Leak pictures ...
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3. Profit
It'll be at least a couple years before we'll start seeing the pervasive device market (3G phones/wireless PDAs) pick up again.
IIRC, the stuff they made the original CDs out of was sensitive to light and over a period of years would gradually turn yellow. They only found this out after CDs hed been around for a while.
Shame that they couldn't find something equally tough to make them out of though.