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First Wind-up Phone Charger Review

Jonathan Bennett writes "Here's the first actual review (as opposed to speculation) of Motorola's FreeCharge hand-operated mobile phone charger. Only works with Motorola phones for now, but other devices on the way. "

221 comments

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    1. Re:fucking 2-post limit sucks bird shit off cars by Zen+Mastuh · · Score: 0, Offtopic

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  7. This is by no means a first post BUT: by CmdrTaco+(troll) · · Score: -1

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    I hope high gas prices are depriving your children, you fucking dumbass.
  8. FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    First Post!

  9. Not too bad... by DJayC · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Motorola claims that 45 seconds' winding will produce 4-6 minutes of talk time and 'several hours' of standby time."

    That's actually not bad at all. The only problem is that if you wind it to get standby back, if someone calls you are likely to only have a minute or so of talking. This seems like an excellent idea for emergencies though.

    1. Re:Not too bad... by sharkey · · Score: 2

      The only problem is that if you wind it to get standby back, if someone calls you are likely to only have a minute or so of talking.

      Simple. Turn off the phone while charging it. Turn it back on when you're done.

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    2. Re:Not too bad... by DJayC · · Score: 1

      Turning off the phone while charging it may or may not help. Imagine this scenario:

      You are waiting for an important call at the beach (don't ask =] ). Your cell phone dies. You wind it up to keep the phone on standby so you can still get the call. Depending on when the call actually occurs, you may only have a couple minutes of talk time. Of course that would be enough to let the caller know the deal, and then call from a pay phone, but hey *shrugs* :)

    3. Re:Not too bad... by Subcarrier · · Score: 2

      The only problem is that if you wind it to get standby back, if someone calls you are likely to only have a minute or so of talking.

      Who told you to stop winding after 45 seconds? D-oh!

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    4. Re:Not too bad... by micromoog · · Score: 2

      So charge it up again every hour.

    5. Re:Not too bad... by sharkey · · Score: 2

      Of course, if the call was THAT important, you could try to charge it BEFORE it dies completely.

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    6. Re:Not too bad... by sporty · · Score: 2

      Unless you are in a real emergency. 45 seconds could mean the difference between life and death. Something quicker, like a pump or maybe the use of gears to make the charging quicker would be great.

      It is understood the more work you want out of a system, the more work you have to put in. (Energy can't be created etc...)

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    7. Re:Not too bad... by Zen+Mastuh · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You are waiting for an important call at the beach (don't ask =] ).

      You've got it all backwards--buy your weed before you go to the beach. It's much more fun that way!

      --
      "What is the sound of one belly slapping?"
    8. Re:Not too bad... by 4of12 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The only problem is that if you wind it to get standby back, if someone calls you are likely to only have a minute or so of talking.

      Could be a potential problem when I call up those automated voice mail hell^Hp trees that force me to navigate <wind>through the <wind>duration of every inappropriate <wind>branch and <wind>twig until I get to a nice operator <wind>leaf that puts me into a queue to talk to a real person.

      "Thank you for calling $CORP. <wind>Your call is important to us. All of our operators are busy assisting other customers. Please <wind> continue to stay on the line...<music> ... <wind> <product_advertisement> ....<wind> ..."

      (I can see carpal tunnel setting in from winding...)

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    9. Re:Not too bad... by tHiNk411 · · Score: 1

      automated voice mail hell^Hp trees

      I love the typo! voice mail hell and help trees! amazing how linux knows this stuff and leaves the typos in.

    10. Re:Not too bad... by ghjm · · Score: 2

      So wind while you're talking.

    11. Re:Not too bad... by Ra-Rue · · Score: 1

      No Linux about it.

      Not original. Take off from BOFH and the
      "Hell Desk".

    12. Re:Not too bad... by spiny · · Score: 1

      or you could always keep winding it while on the call perhaps ?

      --

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      Leela: No he didn't.
  10. Tech riddle by Krazy_in_Normal · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Q: How much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?

    A: A wood chuck would chuck all the wood he could chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood.

  11. Big Deal, by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 1

    This is nothing more than a dynamo flashlight or disaster radio without the bulb or radio.

    I'm not impressed!

    AWG

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    1. Re:Big Deal, by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "This is nothing more than a dynamo flashlight or disaster radio without the bulb or radio."

      What kind of long distance rates are you getting with your dynamo flashlight?

    2. Re:Big Deal, by freeweed · · Score: 3, Funny

      What kind of long distance rates are you getting with your dynamo flashlight?

      Free, if you know Morse Code.

      --
      Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
    3. Re:Big Deal, by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 1

      What good is the charger without a phone?
      It's not new technology, it's merely applying technology in new and functionally useless ways!

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    4. Re:Big Deal, by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      It's not new technology...

      So?

      "...it's merely applying technology in new..."

      Yes, that is called an invention. ...and functionally useless ways!"

      So ... powering your mobile phone long enough to call for help without the need of a power outlet is functionally useless, but dynamo flashlights and radios are okay?

      OoooooooKay! Never mind that lotsa people go camping, or break down on the highway, or forget to take their charger when they travel. Heh. It's funny how the less somebody knows, the stronger their opinions are.

    5. Re:Big Deal, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have one hell of a small local calling area.

  12. All that excercize finally pays off... by colmore · · Score: 5, Funny

    For years, I've been excercizing for this product, once, twice, or sometimes even three times a day. At last all that hard work and repetitive motion will pay off.

    And if I can get one of those phones that can view color photos, I might be able to continue excercizing after I've charged it.

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    In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
    1. Re:All that excercize finally pays off... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll probably need a "hands-free" version if you'll be calling those 900 numbers.

  13. Raster loves you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Wow cool what next a wined up Cmd TACO doll

  14. Another box to lug around by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Unfortunately, it's not integrated into the phone. There are uses for an "emergency phone" with a built-in crank generator. But this is an external unit you carry around.

    A "squeeze the handle a few times and you can make a call" unit might be more useful.

    1. Re:Another box to lug around by CaptainZapp · · Score: 1
      But this is an external unit you carry around.

      Yep, and at 350 grams it's about 4 times as heavy as my Nokia 6510, which gives me roughly 5 days of standby.

      Conclusion: if you're too damn stupid, or lazy to hook up your phone for a couple hours every four to five days, then you probably deserve the additional weight.

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      mit taschenrechner in der hand

      kraftwerk

  15. DOES IT RUN LINUX THOUGH by Sexual+Asspussy · · Score: -1

    i wanna know if it RUNS LINUIX for LINUX IS ALL I KNOW

  16. Inerita Chargers by SanLouBlues · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why don't they just do it like watches do?
    Or: http://howthingswork.virginia.edu/clocks.html

    1. Re:Inerita Chargers by colmore · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Watches are at a pretty high torque point, on your wrist, and will get a lot more energy than something clipped to your belt.

      Also watches require much less power to operate.

      --
      In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
    2. Re:Inerita Chargers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Because watches need fractions of a milliwatt to operate, while a phone typically needs a watt. That's over 1000 times more, in case you're SI-challenged.

    3. Re:Inerita Chargers by nomel · · Score: 1

      Because a watch is not only on your hand where it is flailing around all the time, but they require _very_ little power.

    4. Re:Inerita Chargers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which would prevent it from charging a battery through a transformer why?

    5. Re:Inerita Chargers by zrodney · · Score: 1

      Why don't they just do it like watches do?

      physics mostly. it takes a lot more energy to run
      a radio transmitter in a phone than it does to
      keep the crystal in a watch ticking.

    6. Re:Inerita Chargers by Klatma · · Score: 1

      I just have to bite on this one. A transformer does not give you any more power, it will only change the voltage and amps. If voltage goes up amps go down. Because the watch chargers do not produce enough Watts, a transformer is going to do absolutely nothing for you.

  17. Why bother by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

    OK you better be away from a power source for a LONG time before you need one of these. Granted if you were realy desperate and bothered to cary this small brick around with you. The battery side that takes 36 minutes of winding to charge is 1000ma assuming you would spend an hour a day winding this thing up (or just plug it into a socket and recharge it) and that it weighs in at two thirds of a pound you would be better off getting a few extra cell phone batteries (yes some people do actualy remove there battery and replace it every now and again)

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    No sir I dont like it.
    1. Re:Why bother by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The point isn't to charge it to capacity, the point is to get your phone running long enough to place a call if your battery goes low.

      I don't get many calls on my cell phone, so I get lazy about charging it. If I could wind it up a few times and get 10-15 minutes of talk time (which sounds reasonable based on the article), then it saves my booty if I get stranded or something.

      You're operating on impractical assumptions there. Heh.

    2. Re:Why bother by paulbort · · Score: 1

      I go camping for two weeks straight every year. Primitive camping, no cabins, no RVs, no electricity. This is a lot better than lugging a car battery or trying to find spares for my three year old phone.

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  18. Shamless advertisment plug? by iamwoodyjones · · Score: 1

    Uh, not to repeat myself but... Almost usless news connected to products yet again

    1. Re:Shamless advertisment plug? by colmore · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      oh, get over yourself. Slashdot is "news for nerds"

      nerds like gadgets.

      when a new gadget comes out, it's news.

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      In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
    2. Re:Shamless advertisment plug? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      "Uh, not to repeat myself but... Almost usless news connected to products yet again"

      Is it wrong of me to take pleasure in seeing posts like these? All of these "I dont get it therefore it is stupid" posts make me feel 733t. Heh.

    3. Re:Shamless advertisment plug? by iamwoodyjones · · Score: 1

      How was this about myself? Get over your "almost usless" bashing of others and grow up. Hate never ends hate. Only love does --Buddha

  19. okay people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    The worst terrorist attack in recorded history occurred more than three weeks ago, and you people are discussing the the the first wind-up phone charger review???? My *god*, people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!

  20. This is just great... by telekon · · Score: 1

    Now your wrist can get tired on all of your phone calls, not just the ones you hope your significant other doesn't see on the bill.

    --

    To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion.

  21. Cool! by M.C.+Hampster · · Score: 1

    As well as the mobile charger modules, you're given a torch module for the FreeCharge. Unfortunately it's a bit disappointing, considering that FreePlay has produced wind-up torches before.

    This sounds like some cool James Bond device. Battery charger for emergency phone calls AND bad guy incinerator!

    (Yes, it's a joke.)

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    Forget the whales - save the babies.
    1. Re:Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah.. that whole article I felt like I was decrypting some secret code language or something.. English people sure did put the fuck in English.

      Why didn't we just let the Nazis take over that piece of shit Island and turn it into a mercedes plant or something.. it would have been a more productive use of the land imo.

  22. The product page is moderately more interesting. by Sweetums · · Score: 2, Informative
    There is more info on the product page at Freecharge. But I think it would be cool if there were a little more information. The "45 seconds of winding" for what sounds like full charge seems pretty cool. This would be excellent for camping trips and such.

    The nerd in me wants to know if you are winding a sping or direct charging....

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  23. excellent by tps12 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hadn't heard of this product before, but I'm excited. Imagine what it'll be like when these devices become commonplace...you'll get up in the morning and grind and brew coffee by hand. Wind up your radio to hear the news as you crank up the microwave for some oatmeal. Then crank your car and drive to work, where you spend all day in front of a computer, pedalling a stationary bike.

    We will all be quite muscular!

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    1. Re:excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We will all be quite muscular!

      Dam forainers.. why must you always act so sexily?

    2. Re:excellent by BollocksToThis · · Score: 1

      It solves the geek/exercise problem quite nicely... I don't exercise because it takes too long, and I can't do much else simultaneously.

      But if pedalling a bike is the only thing that keeps my computer running...

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    3. Re:excellent by SpaceJunkie · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... Imagine the bill savings... Have my computer screen over a cycle...

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  24. A possible problem... by MWoody · · Score: 5, Funny

    Her: Hello?

    Me: *pant* *pant* *pant*

    Her: Ew! Pervert! *click*

    Me: *pant* Wait! *pant* Damnit!

    Maybe this isn't a good thing...

    1. Re:A possible problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      There is no N in DAMMIT, you fucking moron!

      GOD you people are retards.

      And it should be I and SHE, not ME and HER you pathetic valley girl wannabe.

    2. Re:A possible problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it should be she and I.

    3. Re:A possible problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      According to google over a third of the people on the web spell "dammit" d-a-m-n-i-t. Neither spelling of the word appears in m-w.com's online dictionary, and since the word is considered slang, how right can you really be on the spelling? Me and Her in the sense that he used them was fine also.. I and She would have seemed about as gay as you.. which is pretty fucking gay.

      damnit

      dammit

    4. Re:A possible problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the weirdest troll I've ever seen.

      There is no 'M' at the end of the root word, 'Damn'. If you want to get picky, there's no such word anyway, because it should be "Damn it".

    5. Re:A possible problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it shouldn't. Have you ever read a play? In the form he used, this is how it goes: Mark: Hi! Bob: Well, hello Steve: First post... oh, fuck The word at the front tells you who is speaking. It's not meant to be english sentences, as in "she said bla, I said bla"... So, "Me" and "Her" are correct - they replace nouns.

    6. Re:A possible problem... by MWoody · · Score: 2

      I'm two quarters shy of a degree in English Lit. It's correct as is, or it's at least as correct as a casually composed Internet message need be.

      And, oh yes, please be so kind as to go fuck yourself. Thank you so much. ^_^

      In all seriousness, I can see the argument for it being spelled "Dammit," given that it's only a phonetic representation of a commonly used spoken contraction, and not an "official" combination of the words "damn" and "it." But I'll need to see some pretty convincing arguments before I'll agree it should be "I" and "She" instead of the far more common "Me" and "Her."

      There. I've taken the low ground _and_ the high ground in this argument. Yee-hah.

    7. Re:A possible problem... by martyn+s · · Score: 1

      Um, actually no. I don't get caught up in grammatical flames, because I feel as long as you get the point across it's fine. Kind of like how I don't mind "Billy and me went to the store".

      But if you're going to start getting technical, technically, you're wrong. "I" and "She" replace subject nouns. They are subject pronouns. "Me" and "Her" replace object pronouns.

      "She gave it to me"
      "I gave it to her"

      See how "She" becomes "Her" and "I" becomes "me"? "She" and "me" are object pronouns, in other words they can be either direct objects or indirect objects (objects of the proposition).

      So yes, "Me" and "Her" do, in fact, replace nouns, but they only replace objects, not subjects.

    8. Re:A possible problem... by martyn+s · · Score: 1

      Yes, but google asks you: "Did you mean "dammit""?

    9. Re:A possible problem... by mangu · · Score: 2
      I'll need to see some pretty convincing arguments before I'll agree it should be "I" and "She" instead of the far more common "Me" and "Her."

      Miranda: O, woe the day!

      Prospero: No harm.

      Suppose Her is Miranda and Me am Prospero. One can say "Miranda went to the city" and "Prospero went to the city". These sentences can be substituted by "She went to the city" and "I went to the city", but not by "Her went to the city" or "Me went to the city". Conclusion: if "Me" and "Her" is common in plays, maybe playwrights don't know much about English.

    10. Re:A possible problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeez, I really do hate the English language...

    11. Re:A possible problem... by Klatma · · Score: 1

      If you are going to correct someone do it properly you fucking retard. It is DAMN IT. Not DAMMIT or DAMNIT.

    12. Re:A possible problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      er, "Joe gave the flowers to Miranda"

      Joe gave the flowers to I?

      no

      Joe gave the flowers to me.

  25. We had these in Nam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    We used a phone generator to
    get captured gooks to talk.

    Worked just fine

  26. crank'able web server by spotter · · Score: 1

    This hand powered webserver was featured on slashdot awhile ago. Personally I find this cooler, even if it is less usefull.

  27. Telemarketing needs more motivation... by taernim · · Score: 1

    Hmm.. I just imagine the rage when people get telemarketing calls with that phone...

    "You made me crank my phone for this crap?! You better tell me something interesting and fast, or I'm going to let you wind down!"

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    "PC Load Letter? What the $@#% does that mean?!"
    1. Re:Telemarketing needs more motivation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm.. I just imagine the rage when people get telemarketing calls with that phone...

      I don't think this add on effects the phones caller id functionality. You will still be able to screen calls, and/or hang up on people.

  28. Bye Bye horror movies by gelfling · · Score: 2

    Damnit the phone's dead. Oh wait...wind wind wind wind wind wind wind

    Yeah 911? There's an axewielding maniac freak after me, send help. Thanks.

  29. Yeah! by Hacker'sEdict · · Score: 1
    Motorola sales guy: For sixty dollars you can now own a simple hand held motor that charges your cell phone!

    Everyone else: For sixty bucks yeah..

    Us: $60?! Are you F*CKING CRAZY?!

  30. okay you people! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    The worst terrorist attack in recorded history occurred more than nine months ago, and you people are discussing the the the first wind-up phone charger review???? My *god*, people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!!!

    1. Re:okay you people! by Dthoma · · Score: -1, Troll
      A tragic maritime disaster happened 87 years ago TODAY, and you people are discussing the first wind-up phone charger review??? My *god*, geeks, get some priorities!

      Truman suggested the nuclear bomb to Stalin 57 years ago TODAY, and you nerds are discussing the first wind-up phone charger review? MY GOD, GET SOME FRICKIN' PRIORITIES!!!

      The Mormons first settled in Utah and founded Salt Lake City 155 years ago TODAY, and you people are JACKING OVER a wind up phone charger? JESUS H. CHRIST, PEOPLE, GET SOME PRIORITIES!!!

      Martin Van Buren died 140 years ago TODAY, and you people are STILL going on about that phone charger? DAMMIT, GET SOME PRIORITIES, YOU SICK FREAKS?!?!?!

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  31. not very efficient by drwho · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The amount of rigorous cranking it takes to get a charge makes this generator seem inefficient. Maybe efficiency was sacrificed for portability.

    Human legs are much more powerful than arms. some sort of foot-operated device would be more tolerable in terms of effort, but probably not as portable. Piezoelectrics that sit in the soles of shoes are not very intrusive, and could provide power over a long time. I believe this is what the MIT wearables group is using.

    Hand power, foot power, wind power, and water power require different gearing ratios in order to operate efficiently. An impressive design would allow this type of switch through some type of transmission (CVT? Pneumatic?), and have linkage adapters to hands, feet, windmill blades, waterwheels, etc. The problem is accomplishing this while maintaining a light weight.

    1. Re:not very efficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just be glad it takes a circular motion and not a vertical up and down motion which would probably cause some stareing by onlookers.

    2. Re:not very efficient by bob_jenkins · · Score: 1

      Well then you'd need some sort of cord attaching your shoe to the phone. Or, they could embed the phone in the sole of your shoe. Or -- here we go -- your phone could snap onto the sole of your shoe.

    3. Re:not very efficient by catch23 · · Score: 1

      With piezo electrics, you can put them in gloves so that you have to beat someone up to be able to use your phone. Soon we'll have extremely hostile mobile phone users....

    4. Re:not very efficient by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      With piezo electrics, you can put them in gloves so that you have to beat someone up to be able to use your phone. Soon we'll have extremely hostile mobile phone users....

      Given the dirty look (at a minimum) that you get when you ask some jerkoff to quit yakking on his phone so you can watch the movie, how is this any different than the way things are now?

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  32. Self winding? by Java+Pimp · · Score: 1

    What about strapping the thing you your belt and harness the kinetic energy from your movements. There are some things like watches that do this. Of course cell phones use more power than that but, if I get off my fat ass and run the 4 miles home from work, I might build up enough to be able to call and order a pizza. :-)

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  33. Makes a nice addition to a survival kit by netringer · · Score: 2

    I'll bet they would have liked to have one of these on "Survivor," "Six Days, Seven Nights," or "Gilligan's Island."

    Now if they just would come up with a portable cell tower...

    Seriously, on the chance that in an emergency I would be near enough to civiliazation to use a cell phone, I'd put one of these in the survival kit in my plane. I have a long-shelf-life disposable battery for my Nokia in there now.

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    1. Re:Makes a nice addition to a survival kit by cmeans · · Score: 2, Informative
      Now if they just would come up with a portable cell tower...

      They have, it's called a COW (Cell On Wheels). Wireless companies mostly wheel them out for special golf tournaments etc. so that the area has additional coverage.

  34. Please! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Funny
    Make sure you take it out of your pants pocket before charging!

    "Son, we need to have a little talk. Has your mother told you anything about the Birds and the Bees?..."

  35. Crank Call by Static242 · · Score: 4, Funny

    This little devices gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Crank Call"

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    1. Re:Crank Call by unicron · · Score: 2

      Damn that was bad.....I was thinking you could strap this to your hand while you "flog the bishop" and call it the world's cheapest phone sex.

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  36. Why not clockwork? by Bonker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to the article, there is no clockwork involved in the charger. The handle turns the generator directly. The box is already larger than a cellphone, so why not include clockwork? Instead of using hand power to turn a generator, why not use handpower to compress a spring (at a significant mechanical advantage, of course) that turns a flywheel that turns the generator.

    Of course it would be much harder to turn the crank, but you wouldn't have to keep up an exhausting pace of over 100rpm. At least in my mind, I'd rather turn a very hard-to-turn crank 10 times than an easy to turn crank 1000 times.

    Does this model work? I've seen it work in some of the various other 'squeeze and go' utilities out there. I had a flashlight/FM radio combo a little while back that used something similar (handle, spring, and flywheel arrangement). It was relatively hard to crank, but one or two cranks got you 30 seconds of flashlight or 5 minutes of radio at top volume.

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    1. Re:Why not clockwork? by spencerogden · · Score: 1

      You could do the same thing woth out clockwork by making the gear ratio between the handle and the generator greater than it is now..

    2. Re:Why not clockwork? by Bonker · · Score: 2

      I understood that the point of the clockwork was to keep a flywheel turning. My understanding is that a flywheel is very hard to start, but also very hard to stop. Its high intertia makes for very good, very efficient storage of mechanical energy, and therefore less wasted energy in the charging process.

      IANAP and IANAEE! Physics majors or EE's please correct me!

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    3. Re:Why not clockwork? by spencerogden · · Score: 1

      I think either way you are going to have to put the same amount of energy into it. Remember that the generator puts a good amount of load on whatever is turning it.

    4. Re:Why not clockwork? by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 1

      The problem is that dynamos take alot of power. Your flywheel would have to be very large and heavy, on a scale anywhere from the size of a CD to the size of a bicycle tire, and I already said heavy didn't I? It's just not applicable to this device. It's already moderately awkwardly large, so the clockwork idea just wont cut it.

    5. Re:Why not clockwork? by Bubblehead · · Score: 1

      There was an article - I believe in MIT's Technology Review - explaining this (I looked for it, but couldn't find it online).

      In a nutshell, you can't run a cell phone directly from an unwinding spring (for various technical reasons) - you will have to go through the battery which acts as a buffer. While the spring gives you a (more or less) constant torque, this is an advantage if you need a constant current (e.g. to power a radio), but not to charge a battery (cell phone). In addition, springs (and especially clockworks) are not that efficient - at least if you want them cheap. Plus, they take up space.

      In fact, I believe the article said that the key for this device was to get rid of spring and clockwork in the forst place, for space reasons. It was key to find a mechanism that would allow the charging of the battery, no matter at what pace the user would wind.

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    6. Re:Why not clockwork? by gotih · · Score: 1

      flywheels storing enough energy to power a cellphone would have to be spinning very very fast (way faster than the fastest hard drives). getting this up to speed by hand, even with an efficient transmission, is not going to be as efficient as if you just made the power then stored it in a battery.

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    7. Re:Why not clockwork? by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 1

      "flywheels storing enough energy to power a cellphone would have to be spinning very very fast (way faster than the fastest hard drives)."

      Huh? How do you figure that the flywheel would have to spin any faster than a hand currently has to wind it? Even entertaining the possibility of gear ratios, which it sounds like you, for some reason, think are required, the reviewer said it felt like 100rpm to get the light glowing. Simple math shows that even a 10:1 gear ratio would only be spinning at 1000rpm if the handle was still turned at 100, be it 10 times harder to get up to speed. This is significantly *slower* than a slow 5400rpm hard drive.

    8. Re:Why not clockwork? by silentbozo · · Score: 2

      The gyroscopic effects of a spinning flywheel in your phone would be interesting to observe.

      Man trying to control phone while driving: <SMACK> Ow!

    9. Re:Why not clockwork? by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 1

      "The gyroscopic effects of a spinning flywheel in your phone would be interesting to observe."

      true enough, but it would be so much easier just to balance your phone on-end on your dashboard when it's charging :-P

      or maybe have it walk a piece of string :-P

    10. Re:Why not clockwork? by gotih · · Score: 2

      i think you need to do some reading on flywheels.

      the issue is that the flywheel must keep spinning, though it is constantly loosing energy to power the phone -- as soon as you get that wheel spinning at 1000rpm it starts slowing down due to resistance from generating power. IANAP but to keep your phone operating that 1000rpm is going to be 0rpm within a minute. i estimate, by conjecture, that 1000rpm, on a small light disk, would only last about 2 seconds.

      as an example, consider an upside-down bicycle with a perfect, frictionless mount. now you add energy by cranking the pedals to get the rear wheel spinning, like a flywheel. next you want to get some energy out of the system. no matter how you do it (heat through friction or electricty through a reversed motor/generator) your wheel will loose energy and momentum.

      but if you get that wheel spinning wayyyyyyy fast, as in the-rubber-tire-flew-off-from-centriptal-force and the rim is barely holding on, you'll have more energy to extract which translates to longer 'battery' life.

      also, another silentbozo mentioned that the gyroscopic forces which would be too severe to be able to use the device. that's probably true. there are ways to balance the spins by using multiple flywheels at right angles but at that point it looses portability....

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    11. Re:Why not clockwork? by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 1

      point 1) The word is centrifugal, which means away from an axis. Centripetal is towards the axis, which doesnt happen on anything spinning. Think of a centrifuge. Or see dictionary.com.

      point 2) I realize it's going to need to be continuously spun but with a flywheel it's insanely easier once it's started. It appeared to me that this was the intent, as nobody gave the required information for any other situation, such as for what duration it would need to keep spinning once winding stopped, etc. But now I see what you were saying. You were saying that if you wanted to get it started and leave it, it would need to be spinning very fast. True enough.

      (not to you alone) People, stop trying to look smart by saying centripetal! :-P

      the end

    12. Re:Why not clockwork? by gotih · · Score: 1

      (not to you alone) People, stop trying to look smart by saying centripetal! :-P

      point taken, though at the time i wrote that i thought centripetal was the right word -- these things happen when you attend public school, i mean, work 20 hours straight (minus slashdot breaks). ;)

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    13. Re:Why not clockwork? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hehehe okay, you're excused.

  37. Next step by delphin42 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now all they have to do is offer an electronic device that does the winding for you...

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    1. Re:Next step by Neil+Watson · · Score: 1
      Now all they have to do is offer an electronic device that does the winding for you...

      Or a hampster and a its wheel.

    2. Re:Next step by guttentag · · Score: 1, Offtopic
      Now all they have to do is offer an electronic device that does the winding for you...
      Forget it, I think Forgent already owns the patent for this.
  38. I was a homeless bum, fucktards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    A few years ago I had the unfortunate experience of joining the homeless and dispossessed. This is the first time I have ever discussed it with anybody other than my significant other so bear with me while I exorcise the experience... It began about five years ago when having become disenchanted with my chosen career as a systems developer and programmer, I decided to take a break and become the assistant manager of a public house. The hours were awful, the pay appalling but it got me away from the depersonalized and depressing slog I was having as an IT manager in a small company. I needed a break and I needed to be with people for a change rather than machines.

    It started out well enough when within months I was helping to run one of the top three public houses owned by the largest brewery in the UK. I was living in a million pound property and managing 15 people, on the fast track to eventually managing my own pub. In the course of six months I was taking the exams required to be a licensee and the day to day running was entirely in my hands.

    However things were not entirely fabulous, I was living in a tiny horrible room and working from seven in the morning until midnight, six or seven days a week. When I got up in the morning and went to bed at night, I was still at work and couldn't escape from the constant pressure of the job. The pub was located far away from all my friends and when I did get any free time the last thing I wanted to do was travel... I just slept.

    Finally after another six months I needed a break so I went off to Ireland to visit relatives, when it became apparent that like many managers of public houses I was developing a very impressive alcohol habit... I needed it in the morning to wake up, during the day to keep me going and vast quantities at night just to get to sleep. I thought it strange that I hadn't really noticed it until I was with friends and relatives again, but they were concerned and worried about me.

    All too soon the two weeks were up and I flew back to the UK. I was standing outside the building at six in the morning, the can of cider in my hand just dreading starting the whole process again. Without a word to anyone I turned my back on the job, my colleagues and just walked away. I had nowhere to go but the idea of this hell continuing was just too much to comprehend, I needed time alone, away from everyone to get my head back on. I walked and walked, I plummeted into the depths of depression. My bank account was almost bare and all I had to my name was a bag of clothes. To get sober and straight again I had to drink what was left and be completely destitute, I know this is a bizarre concept but in my head at the time, I knew that if I had money I would spend it on alcohol.

    I was paranoid and scared but I knew that if I was going to work this out of my system it had to be done. The first night I slept in a shop doorway was an education in itself, I had slept out in tents when on camping trips or at music festivals but the bitingly cold air at night was a new experience. I rapidly learned why the homeless sleep on cardboard boxes, it insulates you from the cold hard concrete, sleeping in boxes hides you from the wind.

    Meeting my new friends was an education in itself, I was rapidly accepted as 'one of them' a person in misery with nowhere to go. I met children who had run away from home, thinking they could join the army or something just to get away from abusive relations. I met the mentally ill and alcoholics who had lives with homes and family in the past but had either lost them or been thrown out. Teenagers locked out by parents who could no longer communicate or relate to them. Drug addicts who blanked it all out with whatever substance was close at hand.

    Considering what was going on around me, I am astounded I managed to get sober but I did. I started getting to Alcoholics Anonymous meetings every day, sometimes twice a day. I had eaten other peoples discarded food and waste for what seemed an eternity until I found soup runs and hostels which could provide me with food but not shelter. I started getting myself organized and signed on to receive social security but that was going to take a while to come through so I kept on doing what I was doing. With my mind coming back to me I began to observe what had happened to me with a clearer head, I watched as the commuters and tourists averted their eyes from me in disgust unable to comprehend how someone could sink so low. I met beggars who went home at night to sleep in warm beds and safe houses. I met prostitutes, pimps, pushers and perverts all of whom were looking for a chink in your armour, to gain any leverage or advantage.

    I learnt all about survival and keeping a low profile, carrying weapons for protection and avoiding regular beatings from drunks and groups of young men with attitude and testosterone to burn. And I learnt a great deal about myself... how when you strip away the civility of society it is an ugly and scary place. The most important things in life are not friends and family, but food, safety and shelter in that order. Things I have never really taken for granted ever since.

    After three months of this I checked myself into an alcohol recovery project with my new social security book, for without it you cannot get a hostel or shelter to take you in. I spent another three months confined within those walls undergoing constant counseling and analysis with the promise of sheltered accommodation maybe a year down the line. Eventually I walked out of that too and opened a squat with four American travellers and a couple of Polish girls. But that's another story...

    I don't walk down the street and avoid the homeless any more, sometimes I stop and talk a little and if I can, help with advice and a kind word. I have heard a lot of stupid things said about the homeless but when it happened to me I met kind souls who helped me, I like to think that I can help now and again myself rather than just walk on by.

  39. Cellphone Hack ver 1.0 by teamhasnoi · · Score: 3, Funny

    This cranking is tiring! Now if I hooked up a motor to the crank, powered by a small battery, I could save a lot of work!

  40. Repetitive Stress Injuries by DCram · · Score: 1

    Wow..
    Yet another way for us to get RSI. I cant wait.. Think about it. Sitting around the campfire with your friends tipping back some brew.. And then you friend passes you..no not a joint.. but the hand cranker. The hours just fly by.

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  41. you people make me vomiting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    Da w0rst terr0r1st att4ck in USA occur nine month ago, and you talking with Wind-up Phone Charger? My *deity*, get priority people!

  42. Great..... Now we have another clue... by axis-techno-geek · · Score: 2, Funny
    First they get the ear plug/mic connection for their cell phone and they walk around the airport/mall/street having these conversations and everybody tries to figure out if this is some wacko or somebody talking on a cell phone, sometimes it is hard too tell.

    Now we'll all know that the in-duh-vidual having the wild converstaion is on a hands free cell phone call because they are crancking for their life.... and looking like they are having a conversation with their "inner" self.

    NOTE: Your not that important, and nobody want to hear it.

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    1. Re:Great..... Now we have another clue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.. I was visiting this site, and noticed you have a computer consulting business. I am just wondering how much it might cost for to consult with me on how to make a web page with some missing images and animated gifs of my countrys flag with a kick ass white outline around it?

      Also.. I was wondering if your company could help me to design some sort of 3D logo with a cool checked effect and some colors that have a very poor contrast so that people feel proud when they finally read what it says.

      robert (dot) gosh ... sh) dev (dot) com And what the hell is all of that shit?

      NOTE: Your(s/r/'re/) not that important, and nobody likes Canadians. Go watch hockey or something you fucking maple flavored cum guzzler.

  43. Why not... by andrersbrazil · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ... MS releases a Windows wind-up as well? Sometimes you just wish it had one of these when it freezes!

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  44. Ad free link by cow_licker · · Score: 2, Informative

    Or we could post directly to the ad free version, right here

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    1. Re:Ad free link by rainwalker · · Score: 2

      ads? whats an ad?

      ahh, the wonders of the Proximotron...

  45. Do we need complex acronyms? by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Credits: dmg

    Yet again the Linux so-called elite, backed up by their pseudo intellectual cohorts of the w3c conspire to ruin Linux's chances in the marketplace by sowing confusion and complexity. As someone with years of experience in the marketing world, I am constantly amazed at the willingness of the W3C and other bodies to pollute the acronym space with their content free "TLAs".

    Basic marketing 101 (and an undergrad course in psychology) would tell them that the normal person is only capable of remembering approximately 7 items of data in their short-term memory, but now we have to remember HTTP, HTML, XML, XSL, DTD, PHP, SSL, DSL, ADSL, ISDN, Perl, etc etc etc

    This is a text book example of the tail wagging the dog from a marketing perspective.

    I have been following the standardisation of the web for many many months now, but one thing has become clear, E-commerce will NEVER become popular so long as there are so many confusing acronyms involved. The guys in charge of marketing Linux absolutely MUST work to reduce the number of acronyms. One possible solution would be to merge those protocols which are not all that different. For example, why not merge XML with SGML ? (they could call it XSGML or SXGML or perhaps XMSGML), they seem to address the same problems. Or would that be too simplistic a solution for their pampered elitist ivy-league minds to comprehend ?

    If something is not done URGENTLY, and I mean URGENTLY, Linux (and other more experimental derivatives such as FreeBSD) can never hope to be taken seriously as an e-commerce platform by the people who count - the accountants.

    The miracle of Linux is that anyone actually runs it at all, considering one seems to require a masters in computer science to install it! (contrast this with NT4 which was so easy to install, we let our receptionist upgrade her own machine).

    As usual my "open source" advice is free. Hopefully this time my valuable advice will be taken into account the next time the w3c smell an acronym brewing.

    Finally, in conclusion, as an American, I am saddened that the Internet seems to have been commandeered by a European based protocol. Was America so short of talent we had to buy the HTML protocol from Tom Berners-Lee at CERN ?

    Think of the security implications of the worlds strongest economy, running an e-commerce protocol developed by a foreigner from Socialist Europe. Remember the wall has not been down for that long. Who knows what kind of trojans might be lurking within the depths of these complicated protocols.

    I am afraid I am behind Al Gore on this point, how can this be necessary in the home of smart corporations such as Microsoft and Intel ? The answer is the vast subsidies given by European socialist governments to fund development of the HTML specification.

    The solution is clear. The federal government should mandate and strongly subsidise the use of Microsoft software for all US corporations involved in e-commerce. Only with a US-developed set of protocols can we be assured of the security of our transactions.

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  46. Cool! by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

    I think it is pretty cool for emergency use. They should have done this a long time ago.

  47. In case of emergency... by Quantum+Singularity · · Score: 1

    You could carry this as backup. Emphasis on could. I won't. Emergencies are the only situations that I could ever picture using this for. In any other situations, this unit is good for nothing. Outlets are everywhere! Plug-in chargers are tiny and convenient! This is no better than hamsters running on wheels to power it.

  48. good stuff by Jacer · · Score: 1

    now if i ever get stranded on the side of a mountian i won't have to fling my batteries into the snow so that they can be magically recharged, i do emphasis magical, because frozen batteries don't work

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  49. Far Side by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2

    I am reminded of a far side cartoon by Gary Larsen where a bunch of geeks with one big strong arm are standing around making fun of a guy who doesnt have one big strong arm.

    cant remember exact context though.

    1. Re:Far Side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hey there, 'little arm'."

      They were bowlers.

  50. Environmental benefits? by schnitzi · · Score: 1
    Laudable as the environmental benefits of using person-power to charge a mobile phone are...
    Are there really environmental benefits to this? I mean, the human energy required to turn the crank doesn't come from nowhere.
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  51. My Lunix Experience by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I've been using home computers since the VIC-20 and I've come to dread and fear the possibility of being forced to adopt Linux as a result of Microsoft's heavy-handedness. After being hyped by friends and co-workers about the pleasures of this great and fantastic open-source operating system, I attempted to load Linux, not once but four times on three year old PC that was previously running Win98.

    The first time took me about an hour to realize that I had to reformat the hard disk and wipe out years worth of work (after backing it up on CD-R). Then I had to figure that the only way to get the Linux CD to actually start loading was to boot it from the CD by modifying the CMOS settings as the PC was starting up. A simple line suggesting this that could have been printed on the CD would have saved a lot of time!

    After loading a whole gigabyte of stuff onto the empty hard drive (do I really need to load 50 megabytes of TeX fonts when I'm just trying to get a demo of Linux????), the entire process halted when the floppy disk drive didn't respond. The Linux loader demanded a working floppy backup of some obscure file be made and since I've never used the floppy drive, I didn't know that it didn't work. The installation process locked up and I had to reboot.

    The reboot left me in UNIX hell: a black screen half filled with incomprehensible characters with a single flashing dollar sign as the only indication that the entire PC was still working. No matter what I typed or tried (simple intutitve commands like 'help' 'review' 'exit' 'restore' 'dir' 'What the fuck is happening?') nothing made any intelligent response except for returning me to the flashing dollar sign. Shit! I'm in Dante's seventh circle of hell for misers. I was forced to reformat the hard drive and reinstall Windows in order to confirm that I still had a working PC.

    I bought a new floppy drive that I will never use in order to load this wonderful and fantastic operating system. Reformated the hard drive, reset the CMOS, and loaded a whole gig of worthless junk from the penguin CD. Everything loaded and I made all of the selections for keyboard and mouse ect... The system rebooted and got to the point where it should have started to work and simply stopped. No response to mouse, keypress, or anything. I reloaded Windows (it worked perfectly) and decided to load Linux on my new good computer.

    I ended up back bashed back in UNIX hell and having to load Windows and ALL of my programs and files from CD backups, which took hours. I convinced that Linux is some kind of really bad joke or else an 'emperor's new clothes' type of mass hallucination. How can anyone with a pretension of being a computer professional seriously believe or claim that this junk is ready to take on Windows?

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  52. Re:All that excercise finally pays off... by Zen+Mastuh · · Score: 2

    So it's a reciprocal motion dynamo? I swore the article said it was rotary.

    You know, you can make both your forearms the same size by winding this phone charger with the hand you don't "exercise" with.

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  53. too bad... by gyratedotorg · · Score: 0, Redundant

    too bad the wind-up phone charger isn't battery powered.

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  54. I could use an extra hand here... by 0x69 · · Score: 1

    So I'm using 2 hands to crank this thing, holding my cell phone against my ear with my shoulder as I talk, steering through rush hour with my left knee SCRrreeeeee!!CRASH!!

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  55. Why don't you get some priorities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Martin Van Buren, a former president and an abolisnist, died 140 years ago today, and you people are discussing the first wind-up phone charger review? GET SOME PRIORITIES, people!

  56. Doh. by glh · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's bad enough when Susie in her corvette is driving in front of me with her ear glued to the cell phone. Just imagine when her phone starts going out and she's in the middle of a lane change getting ready to wind... (shudder)

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  58. What the fuck is wrong with you? by Fecal+Troll+Matter · · Score: -1

    Into beastiality eh? Carrie looks like a fucking horse.

    1. Re:What the fuck is wrong with you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      hehe horse! yeah!!!

  59. hmmm by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2

    It would be cool to have a phone that has *only* a crank and you would throw it in the trunk - or camper or whatever. When you were hiking, or camping or stranded somewhere - you crank it up for a bit - enought to make a 10 minute phone call - and when you connect you just get charged for that one call....

    prolly a long way from that type of service, but I am sure we will have these some day.

  60. Rewind? by HoBuster · · Score: 1

    Wow, if you had a really bad conversation, you can just rewind it!

  61. The Voltage Makes it Too Hard to Charge by SubjectLineTroller · · Score: -1, Offtopic
  62. Goatsecxsy by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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  63. Cool Idea by Matty_ · · Score: 1

    I think this is a great idea.

    I wouldn't want to use it to reguarily charge my phone, but it could come in handy in an emergency situation.

  64. Oh, no. by Dthoma · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I know exactly how this is going to be used.

    Picture a crowded intercity train. With an inconsiderate commuter phoning home.

    Then:
    "HELLO? HELLO? I SAID I'M GOING TO BE LATE! HELLO? @#$% battery!"

    Now:
    "HELLO? HELLO? I SAID I'M GOING TO BE LATE, DARLING! Damn."
    (insert loud cranking sound)
    "AAH, THAT'S BETTER! NOW, ANYWAY, I SAID I'M GOING TO BE LATE BACK! HOW LONG? UH, ABOUT HALF AN HOUR TO AN HOUR LATE! YES? CAN YOU PUT MY DINNER IN THE OVEN? WHAT? HANG ON!"
    (insert loud cranking sound)
    "YES, DINNER! IN OVEN! OH, CAN YOU GET THE WASHING MACHINE READY FOR WHEN I COME IN? OK? WAIT, GOING THROUGH A TUNNEL! HANG ON! PUT THE WASHING MACHINE ON! WHAT DO YOU MEAN? MY SUIT! HELLO? HANG ON!"
    (insert loud cranking sound)

    To be repeated ad fucking nauseam.

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  65. foot pedal by bob_jenkins · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What they need is a foot pedal. That way you could talk while charging it.

  66. I glad.. by ZaneMcAuley · · Score: 1

    ... that I have been strengthening the muscles in my right arm. Now I can recharge my battery efficiently. Wonder what talk time I would get now :D

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  67. How about.... by joshuarat · · Score: 1

    Everybody wears these things on their hips, why not a charger that that works like a pedometer? I heard the "average person" walks 10 miles just in a normal day. So lets see...3 feet per step=1760 steps per mile=17600 up and down jolts per day. (not counting the horizontal hip shuffles that I personally take my phone off for)

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  68. More-rewarding self-winding idea by guacamolefoo · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Why not combine the crank with an attachment that would make the activity necessary to generate the power to transfer to the cell phone battery a little less annoying and perhaps a little, er, more rewarding? I mean, if you've got to sit there and turn your own crank anyway...

  69. why wind when you can flash... by ZaneMcAuley · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are already solar powered battery chargers on the market.

    http://www.teleadaptusa.com/nme/order_solar_powe r. htm

    google cache on
    http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:72Iu9P5i5Xk C: www.teleadaptusa.com/nme/order_solar_power.htm+sol ar+power+mobile+phone+charger&hl=en&ie=UTF -8

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    1. Re:why wind when you can flash... by ZaneMcAuley · · Score: 1

      for those that say "what if it is dark"...

      Well you can always use your wind up torch (yes, one exists) to power the solar powered charger, DUH :D

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  70. Good thing by Matey-O · · Score: 2

    It's a ZDnet site...'or else they'd need a windup chager for their webserver!

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  71. The Troll Polka: UPDATED by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    THE TROLL POLKA (ARSCHFICKEN MIT ZIEGEN)
    By Serial Troller, 2002-06-25

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    ____________________

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    * Finally think I have goat sex written correctly in German. I think. Arschficken?

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  72. That's STILL NOT A REVIEW! by His+name+cannot+be+s · · Score: 2, Troll

    The article simply quotes drivel from Motorolla. "Motorolla" says this and "Motorolla" says that.

    Is this the state of pathetetic journalism?

    I wanted to see what someone said after they had one in their hands.

    My god! How much time does it really get?

    Heck, Sony claimed I could get three hours battery time off my VAIO laptop. Not once did I see it get two hours from regualar use.

    --
    "...In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true..."
    1. Re:That's STILL NOT A REVIEW! by Jynxeh · · Score: 1

      Did you not read the whole thing? Sure, they used some quotes from the company, but they also pointed out some bad points about it (the light lacking in power, how long it takes to wind up, etc.), and put in their own opinions on how useful it might actually be. To me, that constitutes a review. It gave some information from personal experience that I think I'd take into account...

    2. Re:That's STILL NOT A REVIEW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not motorolla, as in Motor Holla!

      It's MotorOLA you dumb fuck.

    3. Re:That's STILL NOT A REVIEW! by ChanxOT5 · · Score: 1

      Motorolla said nothing.

      Motorola said it all.

      Zen.

  73. Until then by aengblom · · Score: 2
    Until this feature is intergrated into your phone. Try this elequent hack.

    1. Locate a quarter
    2. Purchase scotch tape
    3. Tape quarter to phone
    When you need to make a phone call, but it's dead. Just remove quarter.
    --


    So close and yet so far from the world's perfect ID number
    1. Re:Until then by NanoGator · · Score: 3

      When you need to make a phone call, but it's dead. Just remove quarter.

      You forgot a step...

      4. Bum another quarter off somebody because phone calls cost $.50

      --
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    2. Re:Until then by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2
      Until this feature is intergrated into your phone. Try this elequent hack.

      Locate a quarter
      Purchase scotch tape
      Tape quarter to phone

      When you need to make a phone call, but it's dead. Just remove quarter.
      Unfortunately, this solution won't work for everybody. If your mother were to keep this phone in her back pocket, she might accidentaly squeeze a booger out of George Washington's nose.
    3. Re:Until then by elmegil · · Score: 1

      That is, until you realize that public phones are getting more and more scarce because everyone these days has a cellphone...

      --
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    4. Re:Until then by SpaceJunkie · · Score: 1

      Ummm What about the fact that you are so used to your mobile phone storing all the numbers and being able to look them up by name - so you cannot remember the number.. Next...

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  74. OPEN SOURCE MISCONCEPTIONS by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    OPEN SOURCE MISCONCEPTIONS
    By Serial Troller

    Myth: Open Source is written by heterosexuals.

    Fact: All Open Source development is done by raging homosexuals. The more flaming examples include Anal Cox, Linus Turdballs, Eric Ass-Reaming Raymond, and the entire Slashdot crew. The ringleader of the slashdotters, a man named CmdrTaco, engages in a practice known as Taco-snotting, along with his faggot-buddies Jeff Homos Bates and CowBoiKneel.

    Myth: Open Source is written for heterosexuals.

    Fact: Using Open Source software can cause suppressed homosexual fantasies to surface, leading to all out flaming faggotry within 6-8 weeks. Anecdotes of otherwise hetero men turning queer are far too numerous to count, but a few examples stand out. In one case, a man was arrested loitering outside an elementary school and making sexual overtures to several children: he quickly confessed that shortly after installing the Mozilla browser on his computer, he began to have uncontrollable urges to, to put it simply, have his cock sucked off by little boys. He soon met several other like-minded men through discussions on the Bugger Zilla mailing list (all already homosexuals), who together kidnapped a total of seven children whom they brought back to their apartment and sodomized. The other two men are still at large and believed to still be using Mozilla.

    Myth: Open Source is multicultural.

    Fact: Open Source is openly racist.

    Myth: Open Source is democratic.

    Fact: Open Source is controlled by a few narrow-minded zealots (mentioned throughout this post), most of whom are either Communists, Stalinists, Nazis, or Fascists. Additionally, Open Source supports terrorism.

    Myth: Open Source is tolerant of religious preferences.

    Fact: Open Source developers regularly engage in holy wars over the superiority of various Open Source projects, such as the Emacs program (preferred by Christians) versus vi (used mostly by neo-pagans and Satanists); or the KDE desktop (a favorite among Muslims) versus the GNOME project (particularly favored by Jews). Posts initiating crusades or jihads against other developers can be found regularly throughout the newsgroups and mailing lists.

    Myth: Open Source is tolerant of sexual preference.

    Fact: See above. Either you are a homo, you become a homo, or you never visit Richard Stallman alone in his office and hope to God you never meet him on the street at night.

    Myth: Open Source is tolerant of political differences.

    Fact: Open Source is an anarcho-communist philosophy bent on the destruction of capitalism. The very same Richard Stallman, a man whose name is disturbingly reminiscent of Stalin, has stated several times in public that his vision includes the subjugation of all who own intellectual properties under the jackboot of the GPL. The GPL is a pernicious piece of literature lifted straight from Karl Marxs Communist Manifesto, and is fortunately banned in many democratic nations.

    * * * * * UPDATE * * * * *

    Myth: Open Source programming is a harlmess, healthy activity.

    Fact: Open Source programming has been known to lead to massive obesity, violent tendencies with an obsession with handguns, paranoid-delusional ranting, and in severe cases, complete insanity. If anyone you know is thinking about going Open Source, stop them before its too late!

    * * * * * UPDATE * * * * *

    ____________________

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  75. Re:The product page is moderately more interesting by mberman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you read the article, it tells you that for a full charge, you need 35 minutes of charging. 45 seconds will get you the minumum "useful" amount of charge (enough for a short call). However, the best use of this seems to be to start with it fully charged (you can plug it in to charge it up), and then whenever you make a call, or if it's been idle for a day or two, you wind it to top off the battery. That way, when you need to make your 30 minute call, you can do it immediately and pay for it later, rather than having to wind it for 20 minutes before being able to perform that emergency heart surgery...

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  76. I'll bite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, I know you're a troll, don't think you fooled me, I'll bite anyway though. Basicly you're asking where our priorities are because we're talking about something that happens today instead of something that happened 57+ years ago. Hmm, get a life, stop trolling and live in the present.

  77. Off the Grid Power + Mesh Networks = ... by namespan · · Score: 2

    Totally grid-free telecom. Say goodbye to dependency on large central organizations for communications.

    No, I don't honestly think that the hand crank is good enough. But combine solar, human (on an exercise device, perhaps), and efficiency gains, and something like this might be possible.

    Of course, no gain will probably power Central Air Conditioning, which seems an awful lot like an essential of life at the moment.... : |

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  78. Re:foot pedal - Better Yet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could put the foot pedal under your brake and/or gas pedal...that way when you were driving, it would slowly charge up! Finally, a way to charge my phone in my car!

  79. *BSD is dying by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    It is now official. Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dying


    - posted by poopbot: for the crapflooder in all of us

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  80. Like a solar powered flashlight..... by Tall+Rob+Mc · · Score: 1

    Is this really that useful? Anywhere I go where I would need to charge my cell phone, I can bring my much-smaller-and-easier version that plugs into a wall. If I ever go anywhere that doesn't have a wall plug or car cigarette lighter, chances are I don't get a signal anyway.

  81. Back to the future by lildogie · · Score: 2

    Dating myself here; I flashed on June Lockhart picking up the earpiece of the phone at the farmhouse, cranking feverishly on the wooden box, and shouting into that carbon microphone. (It was all a fake set piece by 1963 when they filmed the series, but still...)

    Lassie come home!

  82. Re:The product page is moderately more interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The nerd in me wants to know if you are winding a sping or direct charging....


    RTFA.

    The term 'wind-up' isn't strictly accurate. The mechanism used isn't clockwork -- rather, the handle winds a generator, which charges an internal Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) battery. This can then be used to charge your mobile's own battery, or to provide power for a call directly.
  83. Cheers! by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Credits: on by

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  84. That thing could save me... by Jynxeh · · Score: 1

    I'm forgetful and apt to wandering around with friends outside, with a dead cellphone in my bag, since I always forge to recharge it. I think that'd save me from many clashes with my irate parents after they get sick of not knowing where I am for the tenth day in a row... plus I might stop missing dinner and living solely on ramen noodles then.

    I loev wind-up stuff like that anyway, my family has a clock and a flashlight for camping, and they're great.

  85. Hasn't Motorola BTDT? by gmhowell · · Score: 2

    Call me crazy, but didn't they already have this 'technology' about 60 years ago? Every episode of M*A*S*H has either Radar or Klinger cranking up a radio before calling Sparky.

    And by 'they', I do specifically mean Motorola. Wasn't their start in making walkie-talkie's and other military communications equipment like this wind-up radio?

    Where's the news?

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    1. Re:Hasn't Motorola BTDT? by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      Call me crazy, but didn't they already have this 'technology' about 60 years ago? Every episode of M*A*S*H has either Radar or Klinger cranking up a radio before calling Sparky.

      That was probably a field phone, not a radio. The crank would've rung the phone at the other end of the line.

      And by 'they', I do specifically mean Motorola. Wasn't their start in making walkie-talkie's and other military communications equipment like this wind-up radio?

      http://www.motorola.com/content/1,1037,115-110,00. html

      Their first product was a battery eliminator to enable a radio to run on AC instead of the three batteries (filament, plate, and bias) they previously needed. After that, they got into car radios, which is where they got their name.

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  86. Trollling in the name of by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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  87. Emergency use by chiph · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The FreeCharge should be in everyone's hurricane/earthquake/riot prepardness kit.

    There's a much better chance of the cell-phone tower working (they have generators) than the 3 miles of cable between you and the CO still being in one piece. You'll still have trouble getting dial-tone, but that's just a matter of retrying until you do.

    Chip H.

    1. Re:Emergency use by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      That's horrible advice. Unless you are a crew worker in an emergency you should stay off your phone entirely. I mean that is as if you don't want the crew to rescue people!

      Tom

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    2. Re:Emergency use by Helen+O'Boyle · · Score: 1
      Chip wrote:
      The FreeCharge should be in everyone's hurricane/earthquake/riot prepardness kit.

      There's a much better chance of the cell-phone tower working (they have generators) than the 3 miles of cable between you and the CO still being in one piece.
      After the Nisqually quake in the Seattle area last year, power was off in the well-shaken Green River Valley area until late that night. Our office phone system did not work, because the PBX didn't have power. Cell phones did (when you could get a connection, since everyone was on them).

      I have a FreePlay radio in each of my emergency kits (one in the bedroom and one in the garage), and will add this gadget. A few minutes of winding in order to be able to call someone and tell them where I am and that I'm OK sounds reasonable to me.
  88. "Review, not speculation..." by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 1

    Slashdot has reviews of this strange new technology known as a Dynamo?! Wow! Now we no longer have to wonder if these results of witchcraft actually work.

    I wondered myself, since it's brand new technology :P

    What is so amazing about this again?

  89. Third World Use by Smurphy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One use they don't bring up that they should is being able to use cell phones where there isn't any electricity to charge them. In a lot of the poorer countries they are going straight to cell phones and skipping laying copper. The lack of electricity to charge the phones has been one of the stumbling blocks for getting phone service to some really remote areas.

    1. Re:Third World Use by Jynxeh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's an excellent point- I heard that some of the other wind-up/solar stuff that's come out in the past few years (radios, flashlights, etc.) was actually developed with the Third World in mind. I wonder if that was the case with this, or it was simply developed for forgetful Western consumers like myself, who can't remember to charge their phones up. :-p

    2. Re:Third World Use by BollocksToThis · · Score: 1

      If it's designed for third world consumption, then...

      It'll be cheap!

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    3. Re:Third World Use by Sarin · · Score: 2

      Sounds great. But you forget if there's no electricity, then there won't be any antennes from the phonecompany because those need electricity too. And they have only a small radius.

    4. Re:Third World Use by Smurphy · · Score: 1

      True. However they can usually at least get power for the towers, even if it is just a gas generator, especially if there is money to be made. However most of the residents can't afford to have electricity run to their homes.

    5. Re:Third World Use by radish · · Score: 2

      A good point, but the nice thing about many lightly populated areas of the world (I'm thinking much of africa, central australia) is that they're (a) flat and (b) have very few buildings. This increases the tower's range hugely. As an example, there is a cell tower on top of the cliffs near Dover (south east UK). If you get the ferry over the channel to france, you can still pick up a signal from it almost all the way over (about 25 miles), because there are no hills or buildings.

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  90. My favorite things by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Credits: on by

    crapfloods and trolling and raping small kittens
    nice wider pages and wanking with mittens
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    these are a few of my favorite things

    grits covered portman and ASCII art doodles
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    wild trolls that fly with plus five mod scoring
    these are a few of my favorite things

    when the ban hits, when I can't post, when I'm feeling sad
    i simply remember my favorite things
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    Rob Malda chugs penis in fan fiction slashes
    taco snot over my nose and eyelashes
    BSD dying and that goatse ring
    these are a few of my favorite things

    grits covered portman and ASCII art doodles
    ACs and CLITers and Katz sex with poodles
    wild trolls that fly with plus five mod scoring
    these are a few of my favorite things

    when the ban hits, when I can't post when, I'm feeling sad
    i simply remember my favorite things
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  91. Human energy not free by WhaDaYaKnow · · Score: 4, Funny

    let's say the extra energy lost requires you to eat an extra hamburger.

    Now this hamburger needs to be heated up. In a place where they need to have light. And toilets. And wireless headsets. And lighted billboards that can be electronically updated. But first of all a cow had to be created. And fed. In a place with electric fences. And a sewer system. And grass that had to be mowed by a tractor that had to be created somewhere in Pennsylvania. And then the cow had to be hollered over to the slaughterhouse in a big truck made in Detroit. And the truck would do about a mile to the gallon. And require new tires every 6 months. And the slaughterhouse would have to buy new Magnum 45s every year to shoot the lead bullets in the cow's brain. And all those people that where so busy making your hamburger now also lost energy and could use a hamburger themselves.

    And you call THIS good for the environment?!

    1. Re:Human energy not free by Tralfamadorian · · Score: 1

      MMMMMM Hamburger.

    2. Re:Human energy not free by Slur · · Score: 2

      No matter how loud I holler the cow won't go into the slaughterhouse. What am I doing wrong?

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    3. Re:Human energy not free by GrandCow · · Score: 1

      Quick! Someone tell the stock brokers! I'll be expecting an announcement in a day or two that says this product is heralding in an upsurge in the economy. Think of all the jobs this product will create!

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    4. Re:Human energy not free by blazin · · Score: 1

      Dammit, you beat me to it :)

    5. Re:Human energy not free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slaughter houses do not use guns to kill animals. They use an electric device that propells a metal rod for a few inches with a lot of force that punctures the skull and kills the animal. Think of it as a mini electric powered jack hammer.

      Also, the semi trucks probably get 5 mpg or better. But it's a stupid point. People are giong to eat that hamburger anyway. This is a trivial amount of exercise and shouldn't require any extra food.

    6. Re:Human energy not free by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      If god didn't want us to eat animals, why'd he make them out of meat?

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    7. Re:Human energy not free by gavinjolly · · Score: 1

      Yes and we all know the majority of people dont get enough exercise. It is free maybe we will just burn a few more calories.

      Now, what about gyms providing cradles for mobile phones so the can be cranked by exercycles. Your workout would fully charge the phone.

      I read about a system for lighting using white leds charging batteries for third world houses to have some light at night. The system was charged by pedal power.

      Get fit, less fat and have a constantly charged cellphone.

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    8. Re:Human energy not free by Hieronymus+Howard · · Score: 2

      Let's see:
      let's say the extra energy lost requires you to eat an extra hamburger.

      Macdonalds Quarter Pounder with Cheese - 530 calories

      Big Mac - 560 calories

      30 minutes of pedalling exercise bike at gym this lunchtime - 250 calories.

      I don't know how much effort it would require to use this phone charger, but it's got to be a lot less than 30 minutes on an exercise bike. Most north americans are probably carrying around tens of thousands of calories worth of stored fat. You might as well use it for something.

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  92. Ahhh... the old phone in the shoe trick, eh? by armyofone · · Score: 1

    Agent 99...? Agent 99...? Is that you?

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  93. bike adapter? by duncanIdaho.clone() · · Score: 1

    wouldn't the environmentally conscious also be riding a bike to work? Think of the potential charge when you are at the top of a hill ...

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  94. Taco-snotting is dying by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Netcraft has confirmed: Taco-snotting is dying.

    Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered Taco-snotting community when recently IDC confirmed that Taco-snotting accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all homosexual acts. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that Taco-snotting has lost more fag practitioners, this news serves to reinforce what weve known all along. Taco-snotting faggots are collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Faggot World comprehensive snotting test.

    You dont need to be a Katz to predict Taco-snottings future. The handwriting is on the wall: Taco-snotting faces a bleak future. In fact there wont be any future at all for Taco-snotting because Taco-snotting is dying. Things are looking very bad for Taco-snotting. As many of us are already aware, Taco-snotting continues to lose faggotshare. White ink flows like a river of bubbly, thick jizz. The circle-snot is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core snotters.

    Lets keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    Circle-snotting leader Jeff Homos Masterbates states that there are 7000 snotters of the circle-snot. How many users of anal snot are there? Lets see. The number of circle-snotting versus anal snot posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 anal snot users. SnotOS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of anal snot posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of SnotOS. A recent article put the circle-snot at about 80 percent of the Taco-snotting market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 circle-snot users. This is consistent with the number of circle-snot Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of CowboiKneels walnuts, abysmal sales and so on, the circle-snot went out of business and was taken over by SNOTi who sell another troubled Taco-snot. Now SNOTi is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another gay whorehouse.

    All major surveys show that Taco-snotting has steadily declined in faggotshare. Taco-snotting is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Taco-snotting is to survive at all it will be among heterosexual hobbyist dabblers. Taco-snotting continues to decay. Nothing short of a jizz-soaked miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Taco-snotting is dead.

    Fact: Taco-snotting is dead.

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  95. emergency by doggo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I bought one of those Sony emergency radios, it's bright orange,AM/FM, has little light for the dial, water resistant,an audio beacon (sounds like a smoke detector), and it's crank/battery/ac adapter powered. It's pretty basic, but it sounds okay.

    I bought it to be my work radio, just to listen to talk radio while I'm working in my office. But I started using it in the kitchen while I'm cooking because it's small and durable.

    Anyway, I figured I'd never have to buy batteries for it. If you crank the thing for one minute, you get about 30 minutes of power. But the thing is, it's a pretty stiff crank (heh), and you have to crank it pretty fast. After about 3 minutes, you're pretty much sick of doing it. But that does give you a good hour or so of listening. It'd be good if you were stranded in the woods and you wanted to hear the ball game, or use the smoke detector noise scare away predators. Otherwise, it's just easier to use batteries, which seem to last forever.

    These crank-up electronic devices are really only useful in emergency situations, or by really committed environmentalists.

  96. Pink page of death!! by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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  97. Ob Simpsons Quote by mssymrvn · · Score: 1

    "In this house we obey the laws of Thermodynamics!"
    - Homer J. Simpson

  98. another review is bizarre by elmegil · · Score: 2
    I did a google search and came up with a different review from ABCnews.com, that appeared to be a prerelease review. In one inexplicable quote, they say It's an ideal tool to have in the car....

    Now, I don't know about you, but when I'm in a car, I have a battery and if the car is running an alternator that can be used to charge the phone just fine.....

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  99. Here's another idea by JustKidding · · Score: 0
    How about using radio waves to charge the battery? Like, using a antenna (possibly the one that's already in the phone) and some very simple circuitry (L/C ring) get energy from strong radio waves. This ought to be enough to charge the battery since it will be generating energy all the time.

    I'm just not sure if you could get this approved, since it may be interfering with the radio transmission you're tapping into.

    This is pretty much how those "incoming call" lights (on the back of a pen) work.

  100. Finally humans are really used as batteries. Yay! by iamacat · · Score: 1

    Seriously though, this gadget could be useful in remote areas of the world. Maybe some village without electricity can get one to listen to weather forecasts, report emergencies and so on. Most people can do better with an AA cell phone adapter though.

  101. Re:foot pedal - Better Yet! by armyofone · · Score: 1

    Your car must have been built in the 1920's to not have one of these...

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  102. Wanted to get onw, but I have a StarTac... by levik · · Score: 2
    I loved the idea of this, since I sometimes go camping, and my battery ends up dying after a day or two... When I went to the motorola website, they only had the freecharge listed for their current crop of phones.

    Mine's a StarTAC, which they have lamentably stopped producing, and I wasn't sure if the charger would work with it, given that it wasn't one of the listed supported models... Anyone know if they're compatible?

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  103. A new freeway hazard by Nykkel · · Score: 1

    I thought it was bad enough that people drive with one hand on the wheel and one hand holding their phone while they babble into it. Now we'll have people who have already been doing this for the past 30 minutes and suddenly need to recharge their phone. One hand to hold the phone, one hand to turn the crank, and one hand to drive?

    Someone's going to have to lend them a hand.

  104. Footpower by magicianuk · · Score: 1

    Trevor Bayliss, the inventor of the FreePlay radio and thence of this invention, has been showing the shoe charging piezo stuff for several years now, but no one has actually marketed it yet ... he has something that fits on the back of a shoe, you walk, it charges a battery that can be used for cellphones and laptops ... he sees it as very useful for developing countries ... like the original radio

  105. Who'da thunkit? by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 2

    60 or 70 years after we quit using hand-cranked generators in phones, we get them back again.

  106. and a Nelson-Mandela approved radio, too by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

    http://www.greenmarketing.com/articles/IB_March02. html describes a batteryless radio, which has been praised by none other than Nelson Mandela as a major step for third-world countries.

    Assuming a village can gang together to pay for a phone + contract, it may allow them to cut the middleman out and get a better deal for whatever wares they produce. Maybe one day the rich world will even accept to import third-world foodstuffs and manufactured goods ;-)

    So this is a Good Thing.

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    1. Re:and a Nelson-Mandela approved radio, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe one day the rich world will even accept to import third-world foodstuffs and manufactured goods ;-)

      Damn, you're dumb. Where the hell do you think a lot of the cheap manufactured goods come from? Tropical fruits? Sure some of it's substandard and wouldn't be allowed on the market by the FDA/USDA/(insert EU equivalent here) if it were produced locally, but it's cheap.

  107. Re:Off the Grid Power + Mesh Networks = ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Say goodbye to dependency on large central organizations for communications.

    Who the fuck are you getting your phone service from?

  108. Wind power next.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next we will see a little propeller that will spin as you talk into the mike and generate a current. Great for those idiots like lawyers who never hang up.

    Im also waiting for the step up from the ciggerette loads of the 70's, Slip it in and they explode when lit. Now if we can just get a battery pack to do that on the phones, press talk and boom.

  109. For teens? by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 1

    To fully charge the battery from flat would take 35 minutes of winding -- something you're unlikely to do in one go.

    Man, I haven't done 35 minutes of cranking since I was a teenager.

  110. _old_ news. by smblion · · Score: 1

    This was reviewed MONTHS ago by TechTV.

  111. Some alternatives... by Aaton · · Score: 1
    Here are just afew links to other devices people looking to charge there phone while in the woods or just way from an outlet.

    http://www.hand-e-charger.com/
    http://www.aladdinpower.com/
    http://www.snpower.com/products.htm
  112. Check out .. by phnx90 · · Score: 0

    This solar powered cell phone charger. You can daisy chain up to 5 of them for more power.

  113. Or Second World by mangu · · Score: 2

    I remember a picture I saw once in a book, published in the 1960's, showing a Soviet radio, powered by a solid-state thermoelectric generator set over a kerosene lamp. Of course, the amout of power needed by a six-transistor short-wave radio is much less than that needed to power a cell-phone transmitter, even considering 1960's technology.

  114. Re:foot pedal - Better Yet! by superpeach · · Score: 1

    Maybe they have a non-smoking car? and why not, non smoking pubs exist - which I find very strange.

  115. better idea by Stonent1 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If you are into biking or mountain biking, just rig it to run off your wheel. That way it will charge much more quickly. For that matter, I could rig it to an office chair to make good use of those occasional office chair races. :)

  116. Me am Prospero by algernon7 · · Score: 1
    'maybe playwrights don't know much about English' I'd hazard a guess that only the English speaking ones do.

    Since we so firmly moved from the realm of grammar to the 'world of theater' with the uber-literate reference to The Tempest and the un-abashed bashing of all playwrights everywhere (and what has a playwright ever done to you - besides perhaps passion plays and anything by Beckett?), I think it's fair to mention that the convention being attacked has nothing to do with which little pronoun can go the city, or the market, or wherever.
    In the sweet little drama we were presented with earlier - and it must be a play, as you brought up theater - there are two characters:

    Me Her
    The symbol before the colon isn't bound by any of the rules you were applying. It could just as easily been a dialogue between A and B or Joanie and Chachi.
    I would save your impromptu grammar lessons for the green room.

    I can't honestly say that I'm sure I spelled Chachi right. Feel free to correct me.

  117. Re:Finally humans are really used as batteries. Ya by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 2

    ... only when combined with "a form of fusion" :-)

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  118. Re:foot pedal - Better Yet! by armyofone · · Score: 1

    Well... I'm not a smoker but I wouldn't want a 'non-smoking' car. I'm pretty glad my vehicle has a cigarette lighter. It sure comes in handy for plugging in mobile phone adapters, portable air pumps, etc...

    Given a choice between using a cigarette adapter and having to crank this gizmo by hand a few hundred times; I'd rather put my arm to use tipping a pint of Guinness, thank you very much ;-]

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  119. Re:foot pedal - Better Yet! by Nakago4 · · Score: 0

    I thought non-smoking cars just got rid of the ashtray and lighter itself.. the cigarette lighter port is still there, but capped off with something else. So you would still be able to use that port for power.

  120. Much cheaper alternative wind-up charger by eddiec · · Score: 1

    There has been a cheaper wind-up cell phone charger available in the UK for a while, I've seen ads for months. I can't find a web site, but there is a product page for it on the Carphone Warehouse site. At £9.99 I suspect it lacks the extras of the Freeplay FreeCharge such as the built battery and added torch, but it does the job, and it is available for more than just Motorola phones, it will charge Nokia, Siemens and Ericsson phones as well.

  121. Which one is progress? by Trepidity · · Score: 2

    First they were telling us that moving from hand-cranked coffee grinders to electric coffee grinders was progress. Now they're telling us that moving from electric cell phone chargers to hand-cranked cell phones chargers is progress.

    So are hand-cranks "old-fashioned" or are they "innovative"? Technology is so confusing these days.

  122. very old news... by Vaughn+Anderson · · Score: 1

    There's been chargers around like this on those fancy pants airplane magazines and sharper image for a loooong time...

    This is nothing new...also this particular charger has been around for awhile as well... so (from the venerable words of Chuck B.) Good grief...