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Rat Mind Control
Patrick Key writes "Well, not exactly mind control but scientists have taken rat training to a new level. By inserting electrodes into the brain of a rat, they're able to effectively control a rat to move forward, left and right. They used the brain area that processes whisker info for left/right control and the pleasure center for moving forward. All sorts of interesting implications- no mention of when a human version would be available. The feat is mentioned in an IEEE's Spectrum article
here"
It certainly has to work better than the cheese did.
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
When can we see the protocol spec sheet for controlling humans?
before someone hacks the rat and get linux running on it.
Can't the editors do a simple SEARCH?
It's been posted here before. Took me 10 seconds to find it.
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The article also mentioned about they got a monkey to move a cursor
Now, would it not be awsome for that cursor to be hooked up with that mouse and let the monkey to control that cursor to control that mouse (hehe)
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i saw this a couple months ago on /.
I'm positive this is an old post.... Within the past 30 days, I'm sure. Dam, can't remember from when, and this search engine on slashdot is worse than Microsofts..
Pretty soon the army will be able to make ninja turtles that live in the sewers, and eat pizza.
... but, ...but who else will protect us from the evil Shredder?
Or imagine a real life donkey kong game?
rspc who?
aaaaaaahh...
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They're doing some interesting work with deep brain stimulation. It's already been used for a while to deal with Parkinsons patients.
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God, don't people who post read this site?
This is what, one, two months old??
Who validates these duplicate posts??
- Zav - Imagine a Beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...
Oh, come on. This is not only a repost, but was already played out in the popular press...
My favorite was the christian radio host who objected to the research, not because of what it says about mind control, or the sanctity of life, but because wire reports mentioned a quote where a scientist described the rat's brain as having been a product of millions of years of (shudder) *evolution*...
SatireWire did a take-off of this three months ago, back when it was topical.
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does anyone else imagine mad scientists racing radio contolled rats around a maze? no? just me?
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What month did it happen?
Live rats are fitted with electrodes so they could be steered toward hidden bombs or disaster victims.
Was it:
January 2002
November 2001
May 2002
April 1999
August 2002
The correct answer is: May 2002, lets start checking dates and dupes!
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...for /dev/rat?
/dev/rat
echo forward >
or something like that?
How long before we are hooked up to pleasure stimulating electrodes that make superior workers? Other than the computers we are working on right now?
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Perhaps Slashdot needs a thingy to extract the keywords out of a story and then search for previous stories containing those keywords and displaying them in a pre-submission "please confirm this story isn't a repost of one of the following".
Pulling the keywords "remote control rats whisker brain control" out of the story I found the previous submission (in May, also by timothy) as the top hit. Whilst I'm a huge fan of blaming the editors, I'm sure their job would be easier if the re-submissions were being weeded out in advance.
Now, just a simple question to you all. What would you say if someone would be putting electrodes in YOUR brains (provided you have one, obviously) ? Animal vivisection should be prohibited, always. If you want to experiment with brains and such, why don't you use rapists or other death row prisoners ? Animals are living beings, as such they have rights. You all should start thinking about this.
In other news, Slashdot editor timothy was taken to small claims court for allegedly owing several hundred dollars to the local Blockbuster. The movie has been overdue for approximately four months.
Apparently, sources close to timothy said that he'd fallen into a weird spell where he left work every day with a glazed look in his eye muttering, "Well, time to go home and finally finish Groundhog Day..."
What's this monkeybusiness? Why post same stories over and over again? It can get quite boring.
From the article: "It's one thing to see a rat running around like this, people don't get too emotional about that, but as soon as you get into dogs or work animals, people start getting real excited," he said.
I can see it now. Farmers having livestock (cows, horses, etc.) implanted with these devices so all they have to do is throw a switch and they
are automatically commanded to come back to the barn for feeding / milking / slaughter / whatever. Add a GPS receiver, a livestock_id for each animal, and some software.
Or, use this to make sure that Man's Best Friend stays within the yard or comes back to you when out for a run at the park How about adding a small microphone and a clock so Spot is commanded to Not Bark At Night so you (and the neighbors!) can get some sleep?
I'm certain there are some people who would think these are Great Ideas ®
The immediate downside I see is there is no feedback loop. What if the AUC (Animal Under Control) breaks a leg, gets a deep cut, is threatened by a predator, or is otherwise incapacitated? The controller (human or automated) is unaware of this and keeps sending commands to "GO THIS WAY!!!" Shudder. I sure hope society works out the ethical considerations well before they overcome the technical limitations! Just because we can doesn't mean we should!
Sure, the expense is prohibitive, now. But there are some people for whom the expense is no object. The price of computers and other electronics have plummeted over the years. Power consumption requirements have dropped dramatically, too. I can well imagine that in 10 or so years, it would be possible to do this cheaply and easily.
So, if some day I wake up in a bathtub full of ice with a note beside me... instead of it saying my kidneys have been removed it'll say a remote control has been implanted in my brain. Let the urban legends begin! =)
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Now I can't wait to get one of these rats. Then I can just sit in my sofa with my brand new remotecontroller and play with my cat.
No more ping-pong balls for me and my cat
All work and no play makes me a dull boy
a Beowulf cluster of these!
.. we have found a way to get decent politicians.
Rat Mind Control
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What about strafing?
Brain: Pinky we have to get out of here
Pinky: NARF how we gonna do that brain
Brain: Pinky what is that riduclous thing on your head?
Pinky: ZOGG! Oh this? The nice lady put this over my head so my mind control implants can't be set off by radio's
Brain: That's it! We'll reverse engineer your mind control implants and adapt them to humans. We'll control them via radio waves!
Pinky: Why would you wanna do a thing like that brain?
Brain: WHy, WHY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!
I guess all the aforementioned organizations would have something to say about these "scientific" experiments...
http://www.aavs.org/
http://www.wwf.org/
http://www.greenpeace.org/
there was a group at u. michigan that did the exact same thing with a cockroach a while ago. iirc, they found that it worked well at first but the signals became ineffective after a while.
then again they didnt have much time to test it; it didnt live long
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Crawling through tunnels in the rubble cut off transmission. But Chapin thinks he has a solution to thatâ"a networked group of rats that would act as repeaters.
Suddenly I picture 100 rats marching single file down a tunnel. Now if they can teach them to build bridges, dig across, dig down, parachute, block and explode you could play lemmings for real!
And like a rat my pleasure center is stimulated by karma so I post.
with roach. At least, with tecnology advance, they are doing it with less disgusting little creatures...oh wait.
yahoo reported that months ago ,and it was also on here before..what gives ?
hrmmph, I have a device in my home. Its totally non invasive no electrodes nothing, but just the presence of it can completely mind control anybody. It can completely hypnotise the person, and make it do what the controller wants to. It can make persons but the chocolates, get a shirt which is not needed at all, or just splurge on anything. :-)
In case you are wondering what am i talking about, well its the TV, or the idiot box. No electrodes, no funny fires, just plain old mind control
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I think the appropriate language to program rats would be LOGO.
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http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/archive/5-11-19
IMO it would be far more usefull to reasearch the opposite... controling stuff with our mind. Id _love_ to be able to type with my mind. Code at the speed of thought... imagine that :)
Of course one might have to be carefull their thoughts dont get distracted *cough* opposite sex *cough* :)
Sheesh. You'd would think the editors would remember a story that made news even in the mainstream press when it first came out several months ago (even Jay Leno joked about it!) or at least think, "Hm, this topic sounds vaguely familiar" and double-check (or be lazy and put it in the Slashback section, just in case).
You'd think so. And apparently, you'd be wrong.
..the scientists could easily capitalise this with the headlines:
Rats able to get beer and do mowing!
....all /. editors have been fitted with electrodes so you can force them to press accept for any story you submit. http://mindcontrol.slashdot.org/involuntarysubmiss ion.pl
hmm actually that url brings some other possibilities to mind....
And then punish it for failing :)
To get on topic, I think it's really interesting the steps we're making in brain research. Those paranoid among us freak out every time someone mentions brain control, but I see it as one step on the road to understanding our own brains. Who knows, someday we might even understand which defective lobe prompts people to bitch and moan about repeat posts by repeating each others' posts!
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imagine that, wall street of deceit immersed in shredded payper & vegetable bean dip. serves 'em write? definitely a gooed thing(tm).
60$ for a bull of soup, that's gotta be nutz?
First you need to think about the type of rat you want to control. Do you want a Democratic rat or a Republican? There are many other alternatives such as a libertarian or a greenie, however those require more advance techniques and the gains are not as a great. The two mainstream types of roduntus politicious are much more plentiful, accessable and cost effective over the long term.
After you chose your rat. You now need a very large organization that has in it's posession a large amount of money. Now do not be discouraged at this point, this easier done than you would be lead to belive. Simply take all ethics, integrity, honesty and honor that your soul posesses, roll all these traits into a little ball and then sell it on a street corner for crack.
If you can perform this deed you have the potential to suceed in boardroom shinanigans, backstaping, corporate hoaring, thought theft, frivilous lawsuits, accounting coverups and the ocassiaonal rimjob. Perform these tasks to the best of your ability and you will have a large corporate entity under your control in a matter of a few years.
Now you can't just pick any type of corporation and make it work with any rat. It just dosen't work out that way. Although there are exceptions there are general rules of thumb for picking the perfect corporation/rat marriage.
If you want to subvert the thought process of a democrat, you will want a large entertainment company. Such a company might make movies, television, music. Now generally for entertainment the more mind-numbing the product the better.
Remember that all you future Ted Turner's of the world. If your company produces quality mind-expanding entertainment that provokes thought in your target demographic then you are doomed to failure. A thinking population might actually think when they are in the voting booth. Such thinking causes random unforseen variables to occur like voting for the other guy.
Oil, is a good industry to use to subvert a republican. Also a company with very deep ties with the military would be an outstanding choice.
If you product destroys the enviroment and kills alot of people a republican is a sure thing.
Rat control is a very old and time honored tradition thar predates even the Romans. With tried and true techniques to subvert every kind of rat to your will.
There is nothing wrong with directly sticking a mind-controling apparatus into the subjects brain. You just need to take into consideration how obvious your influence when your rat is required to make a public speech with elctrodes, and wires sticking out of his/her head.
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Jam some electrodes in my cats head and give him a shock when he doesn't pee/poop in the box!
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I wonder if they use a joystick for this..
That device is called woman.
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This is not particularly newsworthy. The main problem with turning humans into robots in this fashion, like in Piercy's book, is that you have to cut away quite a bit of brain tissue to implant all those electrodes. Then again, most people don't use their brains that much, anyway . . .
isnt this pritty simulre to5 /0 1/1918223&mode=thread&tid=126
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/0
mind you, im currently a touch drunk,
and cant be bothred to read..
guilty as charged..
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By the same editor too, go figure...
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Rat Mind Control
Well, not exactly mind control
Well, not exactly chicken (but don't ask what).
no mention of when a human version would be available.
It's called television.
Reprogramming humanity since 19xx...
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drudgereport.com had this 3months ago
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What makes this different then putting one of the electrodes on each of its legs, and one on its ass? Rats are smart creatures, and it is conceivable that these things hurt. It could be that they simply trained the rat to respond to pain stimulus?
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Because the Slashdot search engine has to be one of the worst in existance. I sure don't have time to wade through the mess the words rat, mice, and control return. apparently, neither do the editors, though they expect the same out of you.
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you have all read "so long and thanks for all the fish"
you know that it's the rats that are in control.
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it seems that the readers are more knowledgeable of previous stories than the actual ones in charge of posting...
this story is instantly recognizable as a previous posting... would've taken me about 10 seconds to find as well!
this was in my local newspaper months ago... the same paper that has the headline: "man arrested for stealing underwear." seriously.
Since this relies on manipulating the rat's senses, it wouldn't be very effective on humans. If you had something that caused a person to feel like there was something pushing their right side, they would very quickly learn that the sensation was false and ignore it. A rat doesn't have this sort of reasoning power, but humans can always override their instincts.
Common sense is what tells you the world is flat.
The operation of the "rat mind control" is very simple. I was involved in experiments with rats, and the professor explained that my experiment followed closely with how the rat mind control works. Essentially, there is an electrode placed in each medial forebrain bundle (MFB) of the lateral hypothalami. This area of the brain, found on both sides of the brain, are known as the pleasure centers of the brain. The pleasure center is activated when the rat looks in the direction that the operator of the rat wants the rat to go. So, essentially, it is a reward for when the rat starts moving or looking in the direction that the operator wants the rat to go, and thus, the operator can control the direction the rat goes in.
To make an analogy, remember the old Looney Tunes cartoons where food was lowered in front of an animal, and the animal would follow the food. It seems such a simple deception works for rats!
I can't get images from "Spock's Brain" out of my head...
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We already have force feedback mice IIRC. :\
Pixels keep you awake!
Oh, it's rat mind control. Not rat bastard mind control.
i remember a tale where this guy only used a flute and fluted a flute loop to get the rats outta town, so why is this news?
This kind of think always makes me realize just how little we really know about the brain and the body and just how primitive our research and medical treatments are. This is right up there with some crazy experiment from the 1800s.
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For example, we are quite capable of making conscious choices that override basic and natural instincts -- This is because our brains are evolved enough to visualize not only the immediate consequences of an action. In fact, we can visualize not only definite consequences, but even the likely and improbable ones.
For example, we can choose to go on a diet, refusing the basic instinctive need to always completely satiate hunger whenever and wherever it is felt. We can choose to abstain from sexual activities, we can overcome chemical dependancies, we even take knowingly suicidal actions based on nothing more concrete than a single hope or belief -- all done by an act of conscious will.
We learn by more than experience, we can be verbally told something and take the idea within it, and hold to it faster than anything else - defying logic, defying instinctive, and definitely defying natural behaviour.
What does this all have to do with the subject, you may ask?
If someone tried to hook up a human being to one of these things, they might find that the person could get excessively violent in his attempts to resist being controlled. We, as people, have historically shown contempt for being manipulated or enslaved -- many would even rather die. I have no doubt that attempting to control a human being with something like this (and that's even _IF_ the declaration of human rights is revoked, which would prohibit this outright anyways) would prove most unsuccessful when measured against its effiacy with simpler life forms. It simply wouldn't be worth the effort to find compliant people.
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Why do intelligent people invent devices which help evil less intelligent people enslave them?
What good is a mind control device?
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