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Egyptian Pyramid Mysteries to Be Explored Live
An anonymous reader noted that "National Geographics will probe the inside of a blocked shaft in the Great Pyramid of Giza, and will also open the oldest intact sarcophagus found in moder times." Since this
is the shaft where all the secret alien technology has been stored for the last few thousand years, and everyone knows that these "Sarcophagus" things are
what the Gou'ald use to regenerate, I think this whole thing will be interesting as hell. Awh who am I kidding- I'm just a junkie on watching those specials where they explore pyramids.
The article sais that a stone hatch with copper handle were discovered in 1872. Wrong!.
In 1992-3, a team using a small robot with a video camera revealed a strange stone slab, which blocks the 40-degree, 200-foot southern lower shaft. This stone has 2 copper fittings. Rudolf Gantenbrink, the head of the research project narrates: The face of the inspector sitting next to me at the monitor has become chalk white. He draws my attention to two round, white marks on the copper fittings. "These are seals, these are seals!" he exclaims, visibly shaken.. Read this totally fascinating story here. The entire UPUAUT project scientific report page is available here too.
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It should be hosted by Geraldo Rivera. I mean this is way older than Al Capone's vault.
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This shaft has been known for quite some time. Why has it taken so long to finally explore what many believe may be a significant find?
This is not just NG, this is also FOX TELEVISION which tells you a lot right there about the scientific content this show will have.
Further, NG/FOX and Zahi Hawass have done EVERYTHING they can to exclude Rudolph Gantenbrink, the engineer who originally "discovered" this mystery door. UPUAUT was his robot, but they don't want to give Gantenbrink any credit. Keep that in mind when you watch this silly circus on FOX.
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It's live. They're doing a dress rehearsal for the East Coast crowd, and the real thing for the Californians.
...break into the Egyptian sewer system just like Geraldo Rivera did when he opened Al Capone's vaults and dug right into the Chicago sewer system.
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A previous attempt to penetrate the mysterious
shaft ended in disappointment when it was discover
that Lara Croft's cross-section was too large to
permit her entry into the shaft.
Glad you know how to spell..
Twice in one post? C'mon.
So the robot wakes the mummy, gets cursed, and comes out of the pyramid with XP embedded in it's firmware...
Please start reading your own site Taco!
Yes, but there are new developments... specifically, UserFriendly's take on the matter. Clearly this is enough for /. to post the story again...
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Possibly Khufu's mummy. It's not in the sarcophagus in the King's Chamber and probably never was, but if the Great Pyramid was really built as his tomb it's got to have been there somewhere. It then becomes an engineering puzzle as to how they got the mummy in there. Maybe there's a larger hidden passage we haven't located yet, or maybe he died before the pyramid was completed and it was built around the burial chamber.
Or maybe it's the control room to the alien launch facility....
After Al Capone's Vault, you'd think Geraldo would be a natural choice for this event.
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Then JonKatz will run through it so he can fuck all the teenage boys on the other side.
Oh my god, has taco took up cone fucking too?
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pyramids are just huge fridges! That really sets things in perspective ...
.. with this + this with a lot of that
Live web cams
I wonder if they'll find John Romero's head on a stick. They should really just type idclip and walk through the wall.
I am quite sick and tired of ALL those "specials" that simply rehash the various theories about these structures. Bubba say the stars aligned in the year 3000, JimBob says it was merely a fluke. The Orion film group gets it's free advertising from the show. Nothing new, different or in any way amazing comes out of these shows. Ditto for the Sharks, Fangs,Claws et al shows. PBS is so boring, I have stopped my support. I'd rather watch the Auction shows...shows how disgusted I am. The really bad part is they repeat over and over and over.
Why is this moderated to flamebait?
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Of course Hawass and his ilk are disdainful of this theory, but in the Sphinx, there is reportedly a hidden "hall of records" that is supposed to be under one of the shoulders of the Sphinx. According to Edgar Cayce, it was supposed to crumble away around the year 2000 and humankind's lost knowledge would be revealed. Naturally, Hawass and his ilk conducted extensive repairs of the Sphinx a year or two before Cayce's prophecy was supposed to come true, although there have been ground penetrating radar surveys that showed that there is indeed something there. Oddly enough, Mark Lehner was once upon a time associated with Cayce's estate and was a member of one of these teams led by SRI International that discovered this tantalizing evidence. What brought about his volte face so he's now 100% with the orthodox Egyptological establishment is unknown.
But they aren't going to the Sphinx, right? They're shooting for that strange sealed door at the end of one of the shafts inside the Queen's Chamber. After Rudolf Gantenbrink discovered this mysterious door in 1993, which also had a wood fragment in front of it which Gantenbrink's robot couldn't pick up (and settle once and for all the question of when the Pyramid had been built), he was prevented from sending yet another improved robot down the shaft. Political pissing contest at the Antiquities Bureau sounded like. If they do manage to get the wood fragment, hopefully there'll be no cover up on the radiocarbon dating results. There has already been one (on the mortar used in some parts of the Pyramid, conducted in 1986) that gives a date for the building of the Pyramid about a thousand or so years before the 2500 BC date traditionally accepted by Egyptologists. Gee, so the Pyramid was supposedly built ca. 3800 to 2800 BC. In the Predynastic Period! Of course these results were universally ignored by Egyptologists as it would greatly upset the neat chronology they have for the building of the Giza monuments.
This is what I get from reading too much Graham Hancock!
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I failed to mention FOX as being boring, oversight corrected, Doh!
I don't think you understand "the static page". Most of the time you are looking at dynamically generated pages, only when the db goes down you are shown the static pages, you can't log in, etc. That message was probably a holdover from older versions of slashcode, but nowadays you mostly are looking at dynamically gen pages.
The robot will find the first occurance of the smiley face, if only to show up the smuggness of the person who retreived the vax backups.
With a few minor exceptions, the four so-called "air shafts" of the Cheops Pyramid were constructed in accordance with one unvarying system. The shaft roof and both walls were cut from one block to form something like a stone canal. The floor was provided by a second block, effectively sealing the shaft from below. Thus, the joins connecting the upper blocks normally ran perpendicular to the floor of the shaft.
I predict that behind the stone at the end of the tunnel wil be ... more stone.
This looks to be the web site for Rudolf G, the finder of the shaft plug/door that will be opened. Surprisingly, he seems not to be involved in this recent live opening project...more on that here where they quote Rudolf:
"I became aware of National Geographic plans - for the first time - through the media 6th of August 2002..."
And more importantly, what the FUCK is taco talking about? Gou'ld? Alien technology?
...that the bioweapon either comes out of the Sphinx's Anus or the ASSwan Dam?
that upon opening the door some booby trap mechanism will crush the chamber behind it because the scientists didn't follow some secret sequence when approaching the door.
Haven't they watched the Indiana Jones series ?
They'll open the door, crawl down a short tunnel and find... Elvis, sitting with Bigfoot and Jimmy Hoffa, all playing poker. Behind the bar will be the Loch Ness Monster, mixing up a Manhattan that Adolf Hitler's brain ordered. And providing the entertainment? Why, none other than the wonderous and sexy Can-Can stylings of Amelia Erhart and Mraylin Monroe.
Sure, my spelling sucks. But my point is this: Whatever they find, it'll be something stupid. Since it's the Queen's Chamber they're so excited about, it'll probably be the world's first dildo. And oh, what an archeological find that would be.
Honestly, I'd rather watch that crackhead Aussie bloke who likes to play with crocs.
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The space has been blocked for centuries by a chunk of limestone that has copper handles and may have been wedged into the shaft by pyramid builders after they used it as a polishing tool.
I read that as a drunk blocking the passage, after they used him as a polishing tool. Where is my coffee, I'm going mad.
Now that thats cleared up i need a new sig...
Blame the West. And I suppose the fact that most of the buildings in Cairo have the Great Pyramid's Facing Stones in them is ok. That is their pyramid to THEY can steal the stones. Do not cast blame on the west. There is PLENTY to go around.
http://www.ancient-mysteries.com/testpart/gp-int/G reatPyr-Int/GP-Int-GGallery/gp-int-kings-chamber/g p-int-queens-chamber/SouthernShaft/southernshaft.h tml
... they might even find a stone statuette of a naked woman with a suspicious similarity to Natalie Portman.
who cares... what i want to know is what lies under the sphynx.
User Friendly's take on it: Good. :^)
Break from poking Wil with a stick: Bad.
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"No." "Nah." "Nope."...
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
the west being especially guilty of such things.
Err......no.
The vast majority of the tombs were looted by locals long before there WAS a "west".
Only the well-concealed ones survived.
You should also think about motives. Putting something in a museum is NOT the same as melting down artifacts for gold, or (shudder) burning mummies for fuel.
Moderators,
Did you all miss the joke here?
This was cut and pasted from the same story 2 days ago (although it was moded as funny then).
How about reading what your modding?
Fuck. Typical. It's not even funny AND it's badly drawn.
...unless you really really like rocks. "HOLY SHIT!!! ANOTHER HUGE ROCK!!! AMAZING!! I never knew you could stack rocks on top of each other."
Yes, pyramids are a bit more elaborate than that, but what do you really expect to find? Anything of value has probably been looted. Why do I have a feeling that the host of this show is going to end up like Heraldo?
"Hey guys, look at that 4000 year old gigantic stone structure, which has what we believe to be a large room at the end of a long, bending, unaccessible shaft thats only 20cm by 20cm, and blocked by a large, tightly wedged limestone rock with brass handles in it.
/SOUNDS/ exactly like the beginning of an extremely cheesy horror movie.. but it's actually important science. At least until they open it and unleash the apocalypse. ;)
Even though it's painfully clear that people arent supposed to be opening up this heavily guarded chamber in the 4000 year old structure, and there is no real value for us in doing so, other than to satisfy our curiosity, lets send a small robot down there to pull the block out so we can send a camera in."
I mean, sure, it
You'd better have the doctor up the dosage on your meds, dude.
According to the UK site, there's going to be a live web cast.
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
Another article, with pictures of the pyramid rover, and also some background on the Rudolf Gantenbrink controversy. He's the robotics engineer who (some argued) was left uncredited and uninvolved (not even invited to the opening?). I don't know the whole story.
CNN blurb on this special (with video clip)
The ananova take on the special.
The Times (UK) take. Pretty good.
A little on Zahi Hawass
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I have two guess of what could be in there. My first one is once they remove the stone they will find a room filed from top to bottom with PORN, nice thought isn't it!! My next guess is thats were Bin-Laden and friends are hiding from big bad ol'Bush.
A la this?
Isn't there supposed to be some lost vault beneath the Sphinx, but the Egyptian government will not allow any excavations? some 'fringe' egyptologists claim there may be some really interesting stuff.
One thing that kind of pisses me off about the whole
egyptology thing, is that the egyptian government is pretty strict on who they
let come and do work like this over there. If they don't agree with some of your
views on the history of the pyramids, good luck getting a permit to do anything
there. The history of the pyramids is very sketchy, and how the traditional
egyptologists think their theories are 100% correct is very arrogant.
Please remember that the pyramids are Egyptian, not American, not English, etc... The Egyptian government is only protecting their culture, their history. And if it seems like they're are too harsh, too strict I think you need to remember that most Egyptian artifacts and surviving mummies are in foreign museums, not Egyptian. (The majority of the world's mummies are at the British Museum).
I think that the American government (or any nation's government) would install the same strict laws and codes to protect its people's heritage from export.
How would carbon dating the mortar used in the pyramid tell you when it was built? Carbon dating would tell you how old the stone is that was used to make the mortar, not when that mortar was applied. If you built a house out of couple million year old stone last year, the stone would carbon date to a couple million years ago, not last year.
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if the builders of the pyramid have taken so much trouble to create an enigma as well-disguised as this - there HAS TO BE something of immense importance concealed therein...
And so Amun appeared to wiresquire in a dream and said,'The jackal one has taken all the treasure from the shrine devoted to the Great Sun God. Anubis has given everyone the shaft. Show Amun's grateful servant's mummy being unwrapped as there is nothing to see here. Move along.'.
So does Anonymous Coward have good karma?
You can only carbon-date biological material.
There would be straw in the mortar, and they would carbon date that, to get a date for when the mortar was made.
speaking of pseudo science , we ARE talking about archeology.
soory I will take a the word of real science such as geology rather than some archeologist.
section 107 of the copyright act designates 4 factors, two of which are important:
2)character of use: is it non-profit or education use?
4)effect on potential market: will this make the product less valuable?
you're correct, these aren't laws, they're guidelines.
Since it's entering from one market where it's given away freely(TV, commercials not withstanding), to another person(not market) where it cannot be obtained by any reasonable means, I do not see where the problem would be.
They only way I could see a problem with this is if it was being sold or otherwise exceeded the second guideline. it would also be a violation if it was given away enmasse to the public as a whole- however, since it's available on broadcast tv, that would not affect the market there either unless they later planned on broadcasting it to the unaffected region for profit(commercials). which would make it very difficult to exceed the 4th guideline.
btw, IANAL, I'm just an idiot trying to bring some sense to the world..
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Yes, whereas the European usage of mummies for medicinal and alchemical purposes was much more enlightened.
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FOX? Allright,..that means at least half the female archaelogists will look like Lara Croft and
wear clothes two sizes two small.
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There was another special back in 1999 where they were opening a tomb for the first time. Never seen for thousands of years, all that stuff.
Well, as it turned out, it was obvious that Hawass had alredy been in the tomb when the camera followed him in there. Kinda dampened my enthusiasm. He was also totally reckless with the artifacts, are there so many in Egypt that they don't bother being careful any more?
And with Fox involved expect a good bit of tabloid documentary filmmaking, although hopefully National Geographic will temper that a bit.
You also have to mail/fax them a statement stating that you're 21 to get a copy of their ANNUAL REPORT! Ooooook...
What makes you think anyone would think otherwise? Especially if you left the commercials in like he said. I REALLY doubt that Fox would do anything to you, for the exact reasons you mentioned. I think this is more a case of you ranting to defend rights that aren't in jeopardy.
"Jimmy Haffa!? How the hell did you get in here?"
"Shuddup and help me, kid. My legs are stiff."
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(* the egyptian government is pretty strict on who they let come and do work like this over there. If they don't agree with some of your views on the history of the pyramids, good luck getting a permit to do anything there. *)
Aside from rewriting history, it is otherwise understandable seeing the past splunking that they have been subject to.
Anyhow, there is some speculation that the government is allowing this right now because the terrorist attacks and their Palistine viewpoints have scared away tourists. This may be an attempt to re-spark the tourism industry.
Table-ized A.I.
mod parent up!
It's on The National Geographic Channel (Sky Digital/Cable only) at 0100-0300 (presumably the live show) and repeated throughout the week.
See Digiguide for details
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he pharroh was placed behind the door on the south shaft, the queen at the south. After a hundred years a given amount of sand would flow out of a timing
chamber, setting off a rube-goldberg contraption that would open the doors suspending the king and queen within their shafts.
another door would slide open, revealing a shaft rising to the east at a 45 degree angle out of the pyramid. To the west, another door opened and a 20 ton
block was sent sliding down it's shaft.
The intended result was for the pharroh and queen to meet in the queens chamber and "mate" when they collided. Soon after the joining, the 20 ton block
would sweep them up the eastern shaft, where they would emerge to fly for a short while across the desert.
However, looters tampered with the mechanism which resulted in the queen, looters, and block flying out of the pyramid, while the pharroh remaind trapped
behind his door. There is rumor that there might be another 20 ton block positioned behind the pharroh as well. The national geopgraphic team should
exercise great caution unless they wish to suffer the fate of those looting the queens chamber thousands of years earlier.
I'm just an idiot trying to bring some sense to the world.
Half right, anyway.
The tradiational theory is that the pyramids were built about circa 2500 BCE. However, the erosion appears to be due to water not sand, which means that it was probably built between 5 000 BCE and 7 000 BCE. That date is before archeologists admit that homosapiens was running around on the planet.
Bt accepting an earlier date, the Egyptian archeologists have to admit either that the pyramids were not built by their ancestors, or that the current theories on the origin of homo sapiens are wrong. If they advocate the second premise, they found themselves cut off from the major stream of paleo-archeology. If they advocate the first position, they find themselves either cut off from funding from the Egyptian government, or out of job "getting re-educated", in the Chinese sense of the term.
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Host: Thank you Bob! Alright folks, just like the ancient mummies of the Sphinx - it's finally time to wrap this competition up!
*ba-dum-crash!*
Host:Thank you. And while we're at it - let's here it for those King Tut dancers! You guys have been great. You know Anubis was so upset about losing last night, he still hasn't gotten over it - I heard he's in de-Nile!
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Thank you
I could go on all night, but is that what you meant?
Anyone else remember a few years back there were a couple of wackier egyptologists (but in the field, as opposed to tabloid people) claimed there was a "secret" project headed by Hawass to dig a tunnel around the King's chamber and get to the supposed "room" at the end of the shaft? Complete with photos of equipment, lights, some eyewitness testimony from people peripheral to the event.
That's the problem with anything controversial like the pyramid. If Hawass or someone else did "get there first" before this big "expose", we can't trust what they'll "find," be it an empty room or an inflatable LGM on a lounge chair.
I wish I knew more about that "event." Kooks and people with agendas don't only exist outside of agencies and fields of study - they exist within them and are entirely capable of "setting up" evidence for their pet theories, be it fake hieroglyphs or anything else that might be found.
Part of the problem with the Great Pyramid is not only that it has some serious discontinuities with regard to its construction, but that it has it's own complex modern mythology that clouds the issue.
I'm just worried that we'll have this big "expose" that won't actually do anything useful. Kind of like those Fox "UFO shows" that say "The Truth" at the beginning and "You Decide" at the end.
5 000 BCE and 7 000 BCE. That date is before archeologists admit that homosapiens was running around on the planet.
what the fsck are you smoking!?
That's where the second TV special comes into play! The rescue mission!
. . . it was probably built between 5 000 BCE and 7 000 BCE. That date is before archeologists admit that homosapiens was running around on the planet.
I don't know what archaeologists you talk to, but I'm pretty sure that we'e been on the planet longer than 9000 years.
If something was found that was of benefit to the world I'm sure it would be covered up and the announcement of what was found would be exchanged for something else.
Example: they find a tablet with mathematical instructions on how to manipulate time and space. Said object is removed and never announced to the public.
Televised Annoucement: we found the mummified remains of a previously unknown animal.
Public: OOOH! AAAH!
Disclaimer: Of course I'm not claiming any particular person, organization, or entity would do such a thing, this post was fiction. Move on.
Hmm. I wonder if someone was wasting their mod points. 1 flamebait, 4 underrated?
"Christian archeological scientists" It's an offshoot from "Creation Science"
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I don't know, but I look forward to another "Lone Gunman" debacle.
Slashdot headline: ALIEN SPACESHIP FOUND IN PYRAMID!
West coast Slashdotters: Dammit! The show hasn't played here yet! You bastards!
I know it's true because I read it on the Internet right here! That, and Art Bell says it's true! It's all part of a conspiracy!
And we all know that because it's on the 'net it has to be true, right? =)
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Let's hope this is more exciting than when Geraldo unlocked the "secrets" of Al Capone's hidden vault live on TV. *yawn*
(here's the secret: there's nothing there)
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The opening of Al Capone's vault!
If your bitterest enemies are people who hack the heads off civilians, then I would say you're doing something right.
Hey vacuumhead ever heard of timezones? And did you think they moved the whole pyramid to the US or they stayed in Egypt to examine the pyramids?
cheops.org talks about the discovery of a wooden rod in one of the tunnels that was almost certainly left over from construction. A goal of the current exploration is to recover a piece of wood and carbon date it.
Egyptian artifacts are mainly in the west because the west appreciates such things. The Egyptians looted the bulk of the treasures from the pyramids - why didn't they preserve it?
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The only way I know to air a show at 8pm Eastern and Pacific is to have it recorded! So now, is it live? Or is it recorded?
Isn't 8pm EST 4am in Egypt? Gawd, I hope for the archaeologists' sake that it's recorded. Let 'em sleep in for crying out loud!
of the pyramids is to dis-assemble them
So, been to Mexico, have you?
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Gimme a slice. This will either suck, rock, or bore. No, it will bore and suck for 58 minutes, then be exciting for 10 seconds, then it will be over. Then AC Neilsen will count the suckers and collect.
it's being aired live at 2am EST, and then a recorded version will be aired at 8pm..
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You really wouln't want to be out there working in the full heat believe me. It's probably a good idea!
There are pictures of the block, and pictures of the robot. The robot doesn't look powerful enough to move that block. How is this done?
You really wouln't want to be out there working in the full heat believe me. It's probably a good idea!
That does make sense, though I don't know how hot it is inside the pyramid (where I assume the hidden chamber is). I tend to think of the inside of large stone structures as being cool. I don't know about pyramids, though.
I seem to have unleashed a firestorm by asking for a copy of this program in an obviously evil format such as DivX.
Sorry, my bad.
Could one of you who knows me mail me a tape then?
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(I hear it will be webcast, but can you imagine trying to actually watch one of those for something shot in such low light? It would look like a cubist art video...)
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>A bit of history here...Rudolph Gantenbrink
:
>and his team discovered the door some years
>ago. Zahi responded by rushing them out of
>the country and making sure that they
>wouldn't be able to come back.
This is actually a VERY misleading statement. Gantenbrink, by way of Robert Bauval, let the word out on the findings of the 'door', whereas it is standard procedure for *everyone* who is doing research there to go thru the Council of Antiquities FIRST.
That Bauval was associated somehow with it is probably what tipped the balance (for fairness, you can read Bauval's account of the events in Secret Chamber by RB, chapter 9 I believe). The combination of having an "alternative" historian (that means one who cherry picks his 'evidences') together with the the breaking of the rules relating to announcement of discoveries is a big no no for egyptology, simply because these things get out of control, in terms of wild and completely unfounded speculation, REALLY quickly.
Many might not realize this, but there is a huge *industry* revolving around the "mysteries" of ancient egypt, where authors who know very little of (or chose to ignore) the HUGE coherent picture that egyptology is, ignoring montains of evidence supporting it and countless others that go against their own "brilliant" speculation, end up transforming a culture into a "legacy", heavily hinting at mythical places such as Atlantis (a spurious story already of which ONLY plato talks about, and in terms heavily metaphorical), and often sliping into concepts like "noble or higher race" and the like.
The world of "alternative egyptology" is fascinating at first glance, but is roten from the inside, trust me on this.
Another point is that the "door" hardly is a door, as it is located in a shaft that is 8x8 inches, unless someone has a book to write about little beings using this shaft as a corridor for their daily affairs (I suspect this would easily be linked to our alledged martian legacy in a sleight of hand). The two "handles" could be many things, but even if they are handle, that doesn't make the thing a door, it just makes it a plug, with handles.
The third thing i'd like to mention is the latent hatred of that "alternative research" community toward people like Zahi Hawass, who has, despite these people crave to dig everywhere, been dedicated to protecting and researching the Giza site for many decades. Granted Zahi has a big mouth, granted he doesn't know how to talk to journalists, but his dedication and honnesty are obvious to anybody who looks into the field (and no, reading Graham Hancock's 'work' does not qualify). Mark Lehner is in a somewhat similar yet different position, since as an ex-Cayce believer, he began his career with the goal of finding things like the "Hall of Records" (his academic training was financed by ARE, the Cayce fundation). Having learned a lot since his debuts, and having grown up, he is now bashed by his old buddies for being honnest. (don't you find it strange for instance that RB's "orion correlation theory" used to 'lock' giza to 10500BC, just as Cayce 'predicted' ? Thorough examination shows there is no such lock to such an epoch to be found, and the OCT has now been reduced to a "astetically pleasing representation" that lacks any form of precision, and hence any predictive power, rendering 10.5kBC completely and utterly arbitrary)
The way I see it, "alternadoxy" is jumping to the gun on this, let's just wait and see what they find, if they indeed find anything, because whatever is or isn't there, it'll be one hell of a special.
The alledged hijacking of Rudolf Gantenbrink's work is a straw man, Gantenbrink is refered to in all the papers you will find in academia relating to the exploration of the shafts. The nature of research dictates that one researcher follows another on a site, research is not for personal glory, it's about uncovering the truth. That Gantenbrink isn't always mentioned in the press is not the big deal that "alternadoxy" makes of it, after all, Dyxon isn't either and probed the shafts many decades before Gantenbrink (in his probings, he did find that the southern queen's chamber shaft seemed to be blocked at the height we know of today as the location of the plug). Also Gantenbrink has been associated with this special, if only in providing his experience to the i-robot team.
As for "why so long?", well the pyramids aren't going anywhere, these things always take time, specifically because we do NOT want to rush in. I think the REAL question to ask is
Why NOW ?
Well, think about it, it'll probably boost egyptian tourism by solving a mini-mystery. That tourism took a big blow after 9/11.
Now THAT qualifies as very good reason to be doing this now rather than later.
Thats another story but if you look at the old big stone buildings, you can't find any with the characteristic angles. Egypt has a 5.5K year history of not finishing buildings. Why would the pyramids be any different? I don't think all the casing stones were ever put on the pyraminds.
The "Queen Chamber" is a misnomer, no archeologist thinks that a queen was buried there.
and will also open the oldest intact sarcophagus found in moder times."
And after the moderators read some of the various comments on the article, they'll be enjoying 'moder' times too...
Moderation, we don't need no stinking moderation! - phorm
The majority of the world's (Egyptian) mummies are in the ground. Late (read: Roman) Egypt generated so many darn mummies that even the Brits wouldn't be able to cart them off.
Not that they didn't take most of the noteworthy ones.
How OT can we go?
Egypt has a "Stella" plant. They sell "Stella Export" which is what the tourist drink at 10x the cost of the non-export beer. This was founded by the same people that started Stella-Artois but I expect is a completely seperate group now.
So if your at one of these bars that calim to have too many beers from around the world, ask for "Egyptian Stella"
Which may be neither here nor there anyway; the Sphinx was carved out of, and in part built on top of, a natural rock outcropping which is itself certainly older than human civilization. We shouldn't be too surprised to see weathering on it inconsitent with the time when it became the Sphinx instead of "that rock over there."
And the brethren went away edified.
And at 6:23 PM PDT, I found this comment moderated as (Score:5, Flamebait). Congratulations! You're now an Official Member and should receive your ID card and secret decoder ring shortly.
most of the contraversy has revolved around the sphinx. the erosion on the sides is water erosion, not wind erosion. that would date the sphinx to 10,000 years when the sahara was still a lush forest.
True capitalism = lots of similar companies = jobs for everyone who wants one.
remember the last one they did. the lady crushed part of a skeleton!!!
True capitalism = lots of similar companies = jobs for everyone who wants one.
Thank you to whomever reposted my comment from the previous story... I didnt notice this "re-posting" and didnt have a chance to get the petition link and the Gattenbrink link added....
Anonymous Coward, I thank you...
King Khufu's secret pr0n collection!
He was hiding it from his mummy..
(Ducking tomatoes)
You know, I thought I had read these same words before, on the last
But I guess if the "editors" (who do no editing) are allowed to repost their own stories and call it news, a post author is allowed to copy and paste his own text from two days previous and get more karma for it all over again. :-) It works out.
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
My favorite "mass egyptology" moment was some expose by Mauri Povich, he had an exclusive where he could go delving in a "previously unopened" tomb with a full camera crew.
He then ran around with a rock hammer bashing things and finding "previously endiscovered" treasures. My favorite moment was when he ripped open the ancient tomb and patted the ten thousand year old corpse on the stomach, and refered to it as "guy".
I swear I'm not making it up.
Americans shouldn't be allowed to leave the country...
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
I commented on this a few days ago: Here is a link, and an addition:
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http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=398
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Ohh... Art Bell has a guy on tonight "Christopher Dunn" Who predicts whats going to be behind the door..
His prediction is at:
http://www.gizapower.com/articles/door.html
Everyone has a theory... Can't wait till tonight..
Like in basketball, you have to call your shot.
just like any godo slashdotter i should be all over the previous article copy/pasting away all the +4/+5 comments to this new one to boost my karma... unfortunatly i hit the cap so im not going to waste my time formatting... just go to this link and see all the insightful goodness of the past article...
unzip; strip; touch; finger; mount; fsck; more; yes; unmount; sleep
I'm betting that the robot is going to see the inside of a place where teenagers have been partying for years; a mildewed matress in the corner, empty beer bottles and cans all over the place, and graffiti on the walls; stuff like "JUDAS PRIEST RULEZ," "VENOM," and "CLASS OF '86."
Aren't there other ways of finding out if there is actually another room beyond the doorway or not? Can't they like... ultrasound the pyramid or x-ray it or something to at least see if it's solid stone or an actual room?
Karma: NaN
The reason the Egyptian government is wary about letting any old Tom or Dick go digging about is because of the very long history of looting by nearly everyone who's come into contact with ancient treasures over the centuries -- the west being especially guilty of such things.
;-)
As long as they bring back the Amulet of Yendor, it's fine with me
You see a large box here. Loot it? (y/n) _
"We can confirm that Debian does *not* ship the version with the trojan horse. Our version predates it." [CA-2002-28]
I stand corrected.
The majority of "above-ground" mummies are in the British Museum.
Great comic about this story, here.
I wished the open up the chamber between the the two paws on the Sphinx--even if it's just a pin whole with a fiber cable and camera setup to look in it.
At the next eco-hypocrisy-meeting, count the private jets used to get to the meeting. Should be interesting to see that
well,since there are so many kinds of terrorisms on this planet, our "dear little Bush" might send some bombs to Eygpt and explode those " terrorists"(mummies) since those mummuies would crawl out of their graves and go help Laden.( That's just what Bush is thinking)
the group will open for the first time the sealed sarcophagus of a man identified by hieroglyphics as Ny Swt Wsrt
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
a mummified cat. I mean supposedly they worshipped or at least thought very highly of felines, and what else would need a door tucked way inside a little shaft?
And those white seals looked suspiciously like a pair of little pawprints..
...would this show be "hosted" (so to speak) by Elliot Gou'ald?
....Microsoft is the Curse!
And what did they find!?
***GASP***
ANOTHER DOOR!
Who would've thought.
here what did they find?
I just finished watching the show and it turns out the device was merely a 3/4 inch hole drilled by the robot! ;) And for the record, it was more like 3 inches of rock, not 3 feet.
Man, I love the way british chicks say "shaft."
--- We are not in the 8th dimension. We are over New Jersey.
The pyramid builder's spirits right now are having a good laugh. It's the "We will put another door right after the first so we can fool everybody on live TV!!"
Take the cheese to sickbay, the doctor should see it as soon as possible - B'Elanna Torres, "Learning Curve"
Wow, two oxymorons in one post, does that make it
oxyoxymoron or just moron?
Haven't you read - we can broadcast programs faster than light now...
How would we feel if tons of Egyptians came over and took over the study of American Indian stuff and kept looting treasure from burial mounds? Even if the occasional farmer had shredded a mound with his tractor, we wouldn't say that America had lost its right to the mounds.
May we never see th
And behind door #1...
is door #2!
Score 5, Flamebait?!?!
Can't.... compute....
core dumped
I was right - the shaft from the Q's chamber was a dud, and good o'le Zahi went bolting off to show a few bones.
So does Anonymous Coward have good karma?