Nokia 7650 Modified to Record Video Clips

rocannon writes "T-Mobile has started offering MPEG4 video messaging on the Nokia 7650 with a modified software created by the Finnish company Hantro. This is the European debut of the service that allows users to record, save and play back video sequences, up to a maximum of 95 Kbs in size, on their mobile phone. Clips can be transmitted and received to/from peers via (MMS) e-mail."

Comments

Now I can...

[Anonymous Coward]

Email the expression on my face when i get the bill (-:

Cool, but I still want a P800

[Anonymous Coward]

Too bad the P800 will probably cost something like $800.... But I bet they will mod the P800 to record video, as well. Too bad the camera points away from the LCD screen -- most of the video I would shoot would be of myself, for a video email to a friend or family member. Clumsy to not be able to see the screen when shooting yourself.

Maybe I'll just get a Hiptop. Out now, apparently. To be officially released on October 1st via CompUSA/T-Mobile.

Re:Cool, but I still want a P800

[arb]

Clumsy to not be able to see the screen when shooting yourself.

Come on man! It's not that bad is it? Sure the price is high, but not worth commiting suicide over!

Re:Cool, but I still want a P800

[Ch_Omega]

fsck the P800.
The recently announced Nokia 3650 will have video-recording capabillities by default as well, and cost ALOT less than the P800 while still being a Triband phone, with SymbianOS, memory expansion-slot(MMC), Bluetooth, etc. I won't pay almost three times the price of the 3650, just to get a slightly bigger thouchscreen, more built in memory, and an inabillity to use the phone effectively with one hand.

95 Kbs in *size*?

[Compact Dick]

Isn't that a measure of streaming speed, and not absolute size?

In any case, one can think up of many "innocuous" uses facilitated by its innocent facade. "Oh dear, I dropped it again." :-)

Re:95 Kbs in *size*?

[jfanning]

Nope, that is the size. The standard for MMS multimedia messaging restricts the size of any message to 100kb. It doesn't matter what the content is, voice, video, image.

Jody

Re:95 Kbs in *size*?

[H310iSe]

So, basically, you can stream, what, a sunny "Hi there bob" before it cuts off? How much MPEG4 does 96Kbs - that's kilobits mind you (or is it bytes) - either way, very, very small file.

Re:95 Kbs in *size*?

[ratatosk]

From Nokia's MMS faq:

How big can an MMS message be?
The standard does not specify a maximum size for an MMS message.

Re:95 Kbs in *size*?

[AftanGustur]

Nope, that is the size. The standard for MMS multimedia messaging restricts the size of any message to 100kb

The unit 'Kilo' in physics, meaning 1000, is written 'k'
The unit 'Kilo', in CS, meaning 1024 is written 'K'
Bytes is written 'B'
bits is written 'b'
Seconds is written as 's' or '/s' as in 'per second'

Then, 95Kbs is logical to interpret as 95Kilobits per second, and that, my dear watson, is a unit for streaming capacity.

Re:95 Kbs in *size*?

[jfanning]

From the Nokia 6650 FAQ:

What is the maximum size of an MMS that the Nokia 6650 phone supports?
The maximum size is 100 kB. All of Nokia's MMS-enabled phones support the recommendations set in the MMS conformance document that defines minimum requirements for MMS and has the backing of 3GPP and the WAP Forum.

In terms of characters, how much text is it possible to include in an MMS message sent from the Nokia 6650 phone?
In practice, the number of characters is unlimited. The only limitation is the maximum size of an MMS (100 kB).

How big of an audio clip is it possible to include in an MMS message sent from the Nokia 6650 phone?
The only limitation is the maximum size of MMS (100KB) or the remaining space in phone's memory.

What is the maximum size of a picture that can be included in an MMS?
The only limitation is the maximum size of an MMS (100kB) and the phone's available memory.

Re:95 Kbs in *size*?

[jfanning]

And since the original comment was "a maximum of 95 Kbs in size" I would think it is more likely that they screwed up their units.

Besides, it is a 7650, it can't even stream video at that speed.

Re:95 Kbs in *size*?

[magicianuk]

But if I order 25Kgs of potatoes, people realise that I'm accidentally making it a plural (25 kilos) and not asking someone to stream mashed potato to me

I'm guessing it was a simple slip of the fingers to indicate a plural, but it's always fun to get to play "Captain Pedantic"[1] for a day, isn't it (bigger grin!)

[1] There is no such character as Captain Pedantic, to the best of my knowledge, but I could be wrong! - General Comment, DFC and (cash) bar.

Re:95 Kbs in *size*?

[Quixote]

Alternately, "b" may represent "bit", and someone may be inclined to write "Kbs" as a plural for "Kb". It is certainly within the realm of possibility...

Re:95 Kbs in *size*?

[toriver]

The unit 'Kilo', in CS, meaning 1024 is written 'K'

Nope, the (somewhat recent) ISO standard says Ki, that is 95 KiB for CS-type "kilobytes". Harddisk manufacturers use 1000 just to inflate their numbers... (128 MiB =~ 130 MB)

Yoik! Video ringers!

[csmorris]

Great. So theoretically, instead of interrupting movies and lectures with an obnoxious rendition of "Bohemian Rhapsody", cell phones can instead play highly compressed scenes from "Can't Hardly Wait."

I can understand the appeal...

[neksys]

But is 95k worth of video enough to be useful? I mean, even at really low quality, and acknowledging the small resolution of these phones, that still leaves you with quite a short message. On the other hand, the cost of sending that 95k of data to another phone must be high - hell, it costs me a fortune to download a few thousand bytes onto my phone through my web connection.

Re:I can understand the appeal...

[TV-SET]

Think porn... They pretty often split the movie into 150-200KByte pieces ;)

Re:I can understand the appeal...

[Openadvocate]

True, but the displays are often small with limited resolution and colors so you can apply a fair deal of compression. But of course it doesn't leave room for a movie, for that you need one of new Nokia phones with lots of memory.
One could see this as a proof of concept or the opposite depending on how it works in real life. Take WAP as a example, sounded great but real life use of it is a pain in the butt.

Re:I can understand the appeal...

[tuoppi]

At least in here Finland, mobile operators have very different billing schemes. One operator charges only static monthly (very reasonable) cost of GPRS usage, with no limits on data transferred - which is a great way to promote GPRS to public. Some operators on another hand have ridicilously high rates on data transfers, most likely their services are rarely used.

In practice this means that you will pay the price you are ready to pay for that service.And it is up to economists to figure out what you're ready to pay, not up to you. ;-)

Re:I can understand the appeal...

[LeftOfCentre]

The cost isn't necessarily a big issue. GPRS capable phones (just about any phone available, at least in Europe) can stay online 24h and you won't be charged more than a small flat fee every month up to a certain amount of data, usually some MBs (depending on subscription model).

Re:I can understand the appeal...

[Hrshgn]

Technically you are always connected but of what help is this if my provider here in Switzerland charges me 10 cents/10 kb of data and a monthly fee of about 3 euro/month just for GPRS? And there's no way changing the provider because they all have that high rates. Really silly. Rince

Re:I can understand the appeal...

[eMago]

In Germany you can calculate 5 EUR / MByte (that's nearly 5 US-$ for anyone who cares)
concerning GPRS and most of the 4 carriers available. So with 95 kb you will stay below 50 cent which is not so much more than the price of an SMS. When I think about the popularity of SMS in Europe and the popularity of this new Nokia SymbianOS-Camphone among my friends, I'm sure that MMS will be used frequently in the future.
On the other hand GPRS is (and UMTS will) be far too expensive for other video-on-demand or video-phone applications than short (and bad quality) clips. The licences for UMTS had its price:
In Germany alone 50 Billion EUR.
So I'm using GPRS only for ICQ and IRC (low traffic) because it is really great to chat with your friends whereever you are for hours and paying not much money. But surfing the web is much too expensive.

Nokia 6650

[leijona]

Nokia has announced yesterday a new camera phone with ability to record video (and sound) clips, up to 7MB in size [http://www.nokia.com/6650_event/index.html]. It is WCDMA (that's why external antennae, btw) and is capable of (at least) 128kb/s transfer rate in 3G network. It works in GSM networks too, of course, achieving very agreeable transfer rates using GPRS.

Of course, it supports MMS, polyphonic ringing tones, Bluetooth and what-have-you. Large color screen, hefty weight and unbelievable stand-by time.

Do you notice, btw, that phones grow bigger in size nowsdays?

Re:Nokia 6650

[interiot]

New technologies always make the phone bigger in size. When manufacturers went from analog phones to digital phones, it took them a couple of releases before they knew the technology well enough to shrink the phone and make the battery life competitive. Motorola didn't realize this at first, and thought that digital phones were going to suck forever, so didn't invest much in releasing them, and as such, fell behind Nokia.

Re:Nokia 6650

[sql*kitten]

Do you notice, btw, that phones grow bigger in size nowsdays?

I wonder if that's a usability thing and nothing to do with the technology. Take the Nokia 8210 for example: it's too small. It's uncomfortable (for me at least) to use, and it's easy to lose. My 6210 feels at lot more comfortable in my hand, the buttons are easy to use, and the speaker and microphone are the right distance apart, closer to that on a landline handset. Some people may like miniaturization, but for me, it's not a selling point at all - I want a bigger handset anyway, so why not pack in as many features and as much battery life as possible?

I think I should be the first to point out...

[dknj]

That you can fit decent quality movie clips into a 95kb file. Original article here

-dk

Re:I think I should be the first to point out...

[jetmarc]

95 KB @ 32kbps 8fps KTTECH still is only 24 seconds of video.

More about the features of 6650

[jukal]

6650 product page:

- Weight: 141 g
- Dimensions: 132 x 52 x 25 mm
- Talktime: 2 h 20 min (WCDMA), 2 h 40 min (GSM)
- Standby time: Up to 350 h
- Key features: Integrated camera for taking video and still images, new WCDMA air interface, fast connection: up to 128 kbps, multimedia messaging (MMS), large graphical color display, multitasking: talk and send simultaneously
- Operating frequency: Tri-band mobile phone for WCDMA and GSM 900/1800 networks
- Imaging resolution: Image/video capture at 640x480/128x96, more than 10 frames/second

Full specifications are here.

So althought the product from Hantro is interesting, it seems to unfortunately have entered the market 6-12 months too late to do a difference. These (and better) capabilities will be a standard feature too soon.

Re:More about the features of 6650

[ville]

When is 6650 going to enter the market? If I am not mistaken these phones are entering the market next summer or something, or that's what I heard on Finnish news anyway. So Hantro has ~8 months to sell their software before introducing something new. I must admit I wasn't paying much attention to the news so it is very well possible I misheard it. // ville

Re:More about the features of 6650

[jukal]

Nokia said that the handset will start shipping to network operators in the 4th quarter of 2002 and that will start reaching consumers in the first half of 2003 as the first 3G networks start coming online.

from here.

mpeg4?

[Trojan]

Well maybe I didn't look carefully enough, but nowhere do I see mention of mpeg4 encoding, and I actually doubt very much that a mobile phone would be capable of that. Probably more like animated gif or so.

Re:mpeg4?

[Anonymous Coward]

It is MPEG4, and MPEG4 at small frame sizes is pretty light on CPU to encode/decode; it takes ~35MHz of an ARM CPU to to MPEG4 QCIF encode or decode. I think the 7650 has a ~90Mhz ARM9 core internally.

7650 Camera Resolution

[Joel Rowbottom]

Resolution on the 7650 is pants. Don't expect anything spectacular ;)

Photos using the Nokia 7650 can be viewed at nokia7650.fotopic.net

I'll try and get round to installing this video stuff and do some messing though. The 7650's not a bad phone, pity Nokia's SDK sucks so much.

Re:7650 Camera Resolution

[gl4ss]

this has hardly any meaning since you are NOT going to encode the video at full resolution anyways, or are you? 95kb isn't all that much..

Re:7650 Camera Resolution

[mashx]

Resolution on the 7650 is pants.

It's a mobile phone not a professional camera. There is no zoom, the focus is not great, but it's not bad as a phone that can take photos as well. VGA resolution is pretty good for that, I don't know what you were expecting?

Completely agree about the SDK though. It might be free, but that isn't an excuse.

Re:7650 Camera Resolution

[Joel Rowbottom]

I get better quality from the ov511 camera plugged into my laptop.

I guess my gripe is that no matter what conditions, it looks like someone's smeared vaseline over the lens.

Re:7650 Camera Resolution

[mashx]

it looks like someone's smeared vaseline over the lens.

Well maybe they have! Actually, joking apart, I have found that it really depends on the lighting. In natural lighting, the shots are crisp, but as soon as I am in an artificial lighting environment, I get very soft focus shots. One thing that really has amused me is if you try to take a picture of the tip of a cigarette, it comes out blue, and not orange as you would expect.

Great...

[sillydragon]

Great, I can just see it now... You call in sick to work...

*ring*
Yeah, hi, I'm not going to be able to make it in to work today because I strained my *sound of fingers accidentally hitting button*

*Picture of you standing on beach appears on boss' cell*

Beach? What beach?? No, seriously! Fired? What? Hello? Hello?!

3G in US is a far cry!

[rovingeyes]

Devices like 6650 don't take long to spring in to the market. The catch is that none of the US wireless service providers support #G as of now. Most of my friends think that the current PCS Vision and AT&T mLife is 3G enabled. But as a matter of fact they are not. Well they are kind of in between say 2.75? As a proof none of these companies ads mention anything about video.

Anyways don't get your hopes high on 3G atleast for a couple of years with this economy.

One step closer.....

[sawilson]

to a realistic portable personal concealable full
motion video device. I can't wait. Especially
when the video is automatically shot through the
air to somewhere else and can't be taken away,
destroyed, etc. So many good uses:

#1 When your girlfriend calls you a liar about
where you've been

#2 When the cop lies about what he said and did
in traffic court

#3 When your boss tries to take credit for
something you did

#4 When that coworker gets fitshaced at the
office party

#5 etc.

You get the idea.

Re:One step closer.....

[forged]

• #2 When the cop lies about what he said and did in traffic court

Riight, like you're going to be standing with your camcorder pointed at the traffic officer as he comes by youyr car to fine you.

• #3 When your boss tries to take credit for something you did

That also means you're going to be filming all you do/say, plus all the people around you, basically not doing work at the time. Let's not even talk about transmission costs or limited storage available in the phone. That, and everybody has a webcam anyway..

• #4 When that coworker gets fitshaced at the office party

Yeah that sounds more realistic already :) But then, see webcam point above...

CowboyNeal

[skydude_20]

porn-industry-ready dept.

Come on, stop the flow...
CowboyNeal, just the thought of a huge fat geek 'enjoying' his porn on a tiny screen..*shudder*

Babelfish...

[Heynow21]

I clicked the video message link and was despondent when I couldn't read the page. Luckily I remembered babelfish... "T-mobile brings mobile communication in motion. The Segeltoern on weekend, the travel in the Cabrio, the first steps of the child. Mad moments, on which you would like to leave spontaneously their friends and acquaintance sharings." I'm sure in it's native German this is high quality commercial-speak, but mad moments made for acquaintance sharings doesn't really work for me =(

Re:english

[rovingeyes]

Well at least we are never anonynous cowards. Let us know your identity and find for yourself what these ignorant americans can do!

Wont be out until 2003 though

[hansg]

It will be available in the European and Asian market, and isn't scheduled for release until the first half of 2003 (read June...)

So it looks like 7650 still has some time left on the market.

with java included it may be cute

[e-r00]

cute... imagine meeting a cute girl, seeing she owns a cute 7650, send her a cute java applet displaying cute flowers on a cute background with a cute music and in the (cute) meantime making cute pictures/videos of this cute girl and sending it to a cute guy like you :)

Re:with java included it may be cute

[LarsG]

Sounds like some japanese anime cuteness hell.

But Why Will This Be Used?

[Anonymous Coward]

Videophones have been an abysmal failure in direct wired connections. Why would this feature be popular for cell phones?

People are already worried about traffic accidents [apparently] caused by cell phones. Imagine if people are not only talking on cell phones but also watching them when driving?

Re:But Why Will This Be Used?

[jukal]

> Videophones have been an abysmal failure in direct wired connections. Why would this feature be popular for cell phones?

Because no-one is interested in walking to a certain FIXED place, and wonder out how on the earth THIS SPECIFIC videomeeting thing works. When those services are available on your pocket, through a relatively simple and relatively standardized interfaces, you might actually use it. Also, I don't believe their main use will be as video"phones", instead they will be used to send images and videoclips. Atleast I never have a camera with me when I would have needed it.

PORN....as always

[Anonymous Coward]

this is going to be a money-maker for pornographers...brings a whole new meaning to "dirty phone calls". people already spend £1.50 a minute to download ringtones or £1 a text message with text flirting services, think how much could be made from mobile adult video services...

Video!

[Anonymous Coward]

Video + sound, they must be kidding, they can't even get me a day to go by without saying "What did you say?"

What is that with this 'antenna' we still use?

[Mac Degger]

"It is WCDMA (that's why external antennae, btw)" Whatever happened to fractal antennas which can just be flat and lithographed/etched on chip? I read about them years back, and we still have these annoying, breakable, low quality stubs poking out of our phones (and even the ones which are antenna-less just have them on the inside of the casing). This sounded like some kick-ass, instantly applicable and applyable tech to me...so why isn't it being implemented? Anyone?

Re:What is that with this 'antenna' we still use?

[Filarion]

I don't know any specifics regarding this on-chip antenna, but I do know that there were medical studies regarding the radiation emitted by cellphones and the consensus then was that external antennas (pointing out at a specific angle) greatly reduce the -possibly- harmful radiation.

Re:What is that with this 'antenna' we still use?

[Mac Degger]

Say [i]what[/i]? We're still talking about the electromagnetic spectrum, right? Circular antennas, which can't help but broadcast omnidirectionaly? Remember? Right hand rule and all?

Now either my high-school physics have deteriorated dramaticaly (possible, as I haven't needed that for years), or it just doesn't matter what direction an antenna is pointing,over short distances?

Now of course picking up signals is quite different, but not broadcasting them...

Yeah, but

[CaptainZapp]

Email the expression on my face when i get the bill

Do you really need video for that?

Re:Who cares?

[jyristys]

Not true. Nokia has allready announced 3650 ( http://www.nokia.com/phones/3650/ ) which is triband (works in the USA too), and can record video without any extra software. This baby also icludes an MMC card for storing those video clips and should be on sale early next year.

One wonders

[CaptainZapp]

If MMS will really ever fly.

The Neue Zurcher Zeitung, which features one of the best Media & IT section from any German speaking newspaper tested the MMS (Multimedia Messaging Service) capabilities of the 7650 and the Ericsson T68i three weeks ago.

In a nutshell: It sometimes works. But only if the sender and the receiver both have the same phone. If you have the T68i and I send you an MMS from a Nokia you either get gibberish or nothing at all.

If we have the same phones we also better be with the same carrier, otherwise: see above. Regardless of success you're anyway billed 55euro-cents per message.

After WAP and some exorbitantly overpriced UMTS licenses mobile services could see their third Waterloo here by giving up simplicity and standards and bloating those devices with extremely complex and buggy sub systems, for which they weren't designed for in the first place.

The beauty of SMS lies in its simplicity and its standardization (partially basterdized by carriers in the US), which is adhered to throughout the European GSM network. Adding crappy features that nobody wants or needs and that rarely function the carriers and manufacturers do themselves a disservice.

Besides, I don't think that the business user (the one generating the most revenue) is very interested in sending 95KB video clips (or fotos for that matter) around the world. The guy wants a reliable phone, which is connected without hiccups after leaving the plane in Basel, Barcelona or Bangalore.

Re:One wonders

[Ligur]

Umm.. I'm not entirely convinced the target audience for this phone is business-people. It seems more like a fun-phone to me. And I don't know where you live, but here in sweden there's no such thing as a revenue generating group, *everybody* has a cellphone.

Re:One wonders

[CaptainZapp]

And I don't know where you live, but here in sweden there's no such thing as a revenue generating group, *everybody* has a cellphone.

Same here (Switzerland). Nevertheless telcos really love their business clientel for the same reasons as airlines love them:

They spend most per contract.

For a fun phone the 7650 is just too darn expensive.

Re:One wonders

[6Yankee]

In a nutshell: It sometimes works. But only if the sender and the receiver both have the same phone. If you have the T68i and I send you an MMS from a Nokia you either get gibberish or nothing at all.

It may not be just the handsets - the MMC (multimedia messaging centre) may be to blame as well.

My company did some MMS apps, back when you could count the number of MMS-capable handsets without taking your socks off and we didn't have any of them :) All we had was a vague standards document, which said that the T68 would support "a subset of SMIL" (which is an XML-based presentation language). At this point I didn't know of any Nokia handset, and if it existed whether it would even support the same "subset of SMIL". We tested using a media player that could handle SMIL.

With the MMC we were using, nothing happened. Nothing. We racked our brains for ages. Eventually we discovered that the MMC didn't like the whitespace in our nicely-indented SMIL. It wanted the whole thing on one line without a single extraneous space. I'm sure it's quite concievable that both handsets are outputting perfectly valid messages, even identical messages, and the MMC in the middle is screwing it up.

It's easy to blame the handsets, and I'm sure they're far from perfect, but I can't help wondering how good the infrastructure is. I also can't help wondering why it's so hard to send what is, to all intents and purposes (at least in transit), a multipart email.

Re:Who cares?

[plarsen]

Who cares? How about every Slashdotter that is NOT american? wake up, everything isn't about the US. And and top of that, this product will probably reach the US soon too.

Here's why.

[6Yankee]

If the telcos had got their act together and standardised on a single system (like GSM across Europe), then maybe it would be easier for the handset manufacturers to bring these toys to the market.

Imagine, for example, that you had to have a different car radio if you wanted to listen to tunes in the next county over. That would suck. And there probably wouldn't be nearly as many cool and innovative car radios, because the manufacturers were pouring all their budgets into making 15 or 20 versions of each product and their production runs were a fifteenth or a twentieth what they could have been.

I love being able to take my T68 (which I just got flashed to T68i, so I get MMS without the girly case) anywhere in Europe, and knowing that it'll work. I don't love taking my T68 all over Europe and finding that it's far cheaper than in .uk :(

Re:Here's why.

[mashx]

Different car radios in the next country over does actually occur, as I found out when I hired a Japanese import car in New Zealand and could only pick up half the band cause the radio only covered the band from 76-92MHz and not 88-108MHz.

As for taking the phone all over Europe, it's great knowing that the phone will work, SMS will work (most of the time), but don't go trying to use MMS yet. There are no roaming agreements for it. So at the moment, using my 7650 consists of taking photos and emailing them from there or bluetoothing them across to my laptop. I could easily have spent £50 now if they did have roaming agreements. Will they ever learn? Judging by the inability to send texts between Orange and SFR probably not...

Token Jp vid phones links

[darekana]

NTT Docomo foma stuff pics

Then there's J-phone's video sha-mail which is more like animated-gif mail... but hey.

AU/KDDI's A5301T Toshiba brand video yay.

Costs five bajillion gazillion jillion yen... monthly as Dr. Evil-san and those companies know.

Aha

[Bert Peers]

~Clips can be transmitted and received to/from peers via (MMS) e-mail.~

I'd been wondering where all that spam was suddenly coming from. Thanks, Finland.

;)

Streaming porn ...live to your handset

[Networkpro]

Kind of gives a new meaning to "outcall"

Please explain.

[cat_jesus]

You understand the appeal? Good, can you explain it to me? I have no idea why someone would want one of these( except maybe vanity). It seems to me to be a totally worthless piece of technology. But I could be wrong, that's why I'm asking.

8 to 15 seconds of video for EUR 0.20 to 3.00

[scepticos]

T-online states that the 95kB is the maximum size of a video and that this means about 8 to 15 seconds, depending on the dynamics of the scene.

Their three GPRS-rates are EUR 0.29 per 10kB for occasional use, EUR 10 for 1MB/month and EUR 40 for 20MB/month. So, this makes about EUR 0.02 to 0.26 per second of video.

The Nokia 7650 provides 3.6MB of RAM, but MMS size is limited to 100kB as has been pointed out already.

Re:pr0n phone

[laa]

As a lucky owner of an WAP phone I have had the opportunity to enjoy(?) pr0n on the phone for a long time. Just WAP yourself http://www.phonerotica.com/wap/index.pl#mainmenu. GPRS definitely recommended, in case you want to see even a single picture within 24 hours... Oh yes, don't pay the phone bill yourself :)

Now I just wish someone started making usable WAP services...

Would you use it?

[fr0zen]

Video messaging would only take off if users deem a need like SMS, but the average john doe in the west doesn't like to SMS, unlike the feverent asians which deem it like an extending and enhancing their communication languages.

I remember the japanese were using it and one of their commercials promoting their services shows this guy bowing profusely to appoligize to his girlfriend ;-)

But would the average john doe do the same for his girlfriend? Or for other matters?

The other factor would be cost, it's already prohibiting when they first launched data services over GSM/CDMA networks, now even with GPRS i doubt there would be much drop in pricing.It would be nice if telcos were to evaluate their charges for data =)

Breaking new ground in dirty phone calls

[Hoi Polloi]

I predict it would be used first to send porn clips to unsuspecting woman. "Hey honey, here I am spanking my monkey."

Re:pr0n phone

[EnglishTim]

Couldn't get it to work :-P

sample files

[Rautavaara]

These are shooted using nokia 7650 and hantros software. It is a mp4 file, at least realplayer was able to get mp4 codec and play files. http://www.sunpoint.net/~nettinayttely/ www.geocities.com/aatukarri/kuvaa.html
Software was distributed by t mobile in germany. t mobile

Doom for 7650!

[Janne Kyllio]

Friend of mine just called to say he had downloaded Doom for his Nokia 7650! Apparently it worked well, he was pretty enthusiastic about it: More info here!

Re:Doom for 7650!

[Janne Kyllio]

Damn, correct link here

Re:Doom for 7650!

[mashx]

Better is to get it for free: Wild Palm.

It works quite well, but is a bit buggy. Once they sort out the Bluetooth 2 or more player version, then it will be good. Shame it uses up most of the memory though, I need to be able to take photos as well.

Northamerica will catch up... maybe(Re:Who cares?)

[mah!]

If you are unhappy about the cellphone situation in the USA, created by a mess of incompatible standards, complain to your representatives: assuming you have the right to vote here, and that you did vote, then write to them and tell them why you think they should have acted differently about regulating the wireless/cellphone market.

If you only complain on /., it won't help much. Not that writing them will change the current situation, but maybe they'll act differently in the future. Maybe.

I assume the same goes for Canada? How's the cellphone market there? Is the entire North-American continent incompatible with the rest of the world?

Which reminds me, how come most of the time GSM/GPRS is mentioned in US press, it's referred to as the standard mostly used in Europe and Asia or something similar? AFAIK, most of Africa uses it too, and Australia &c. So it's everyone but North-America - or is South American wireless market just as messed up?

not to mention bandwidth...

[Narcocide]

those telco bastards are limiting broadband too. the combined computing power of the desktop pc's attached to the internet is of astronomical proportions and the only thing keeping us from being able to collectively tap it is the fact the telco companies can't see past the end of they're noses to reasons why they shouldn't be driving all the dsl providors out of business.

Getting out of hand?

[johnty]

I think this whole thing is getting a bit out of hand - I mean: gadgets nowadays do everything - you have watches that have built in address books, calenders, altimeters, weather forecasters, TV/Video/MD remote controls; cellphones that have games, icq, internet (p0rn...), cameras and who knows what else that will come out. It seems that lots of things are merging into do-it-all devices... I think it won't be long till things start merging on a wider scale. Maybe one day we'll have a single gadget that does everything... I mean everything... scary.

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