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ADV Confirms Cable Anime Channel
Juanvaldes writes "ADV Films has confirmed reports that they are working to create a cable television channel dedicated to Anime. Currently they are releasing very few details about the channel itself. All that has been publicized at this time is that the channel will run 24 hours a day and will break its content into four categories, Action Zone, Sci-Fi, Comedy Incorrect, and Horror/Martial Arts." Hope I can get access to this one as soon as it comes out.
Hentai and Manga after 12 midnight?
As we all know, no one should ever have access to media. It's all copyrighted and stuff, and you can't listen to it or watch it. They'll arrest you under the terms of the MCPTDTBCPCCMIA if you try to do that!
What is the big deal with Anime anyway? Isn't it all just recycled Speed Racer cartoons?
.. will drop today's Slashdot Headlines email because of the ADV in "ADV Confirms Cable Anime Channel"..
Trolling is a art,
Hundreds of geeks have been confirmed missing. The last statement heard was "Anime channel you say?"
If you get an error, type "OVERRIDE" or "SECURITY OVERRIDE" and then try the optimize command again.
Will it contain the extreme violence and nudity, or will that be censored?
If its strict cable, I suspect it will be censored. If its premium, is there enough fans willing to pay to keep it alive?
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
I think they need two channels... one in original Japanese + subtitles, and one in crummy dubbed format. Otherwise there's gonna be riots and killing in the streets, meteors will fall from the sky, Linux will finally replace Windows on the desktop, and other crazy stuff. Mostly by my hand.
-If
Run a pencil-and-paper RPG campaign with your far-off friends: Gametable!
... the tentacled monster sex category?
You can't leave that one out and call yourself an Anime channel.
Hell, you could have an entire channel with tentacle monster sex
for in my parish counciling groups, I have heard some horror stories about anime.
There was one young woman from Scotland who's fiancee would only be affectionate when she dressed up as something called Sailor Moon, which is apparently an anime character.
There was another young woman who father would make her wear revealing anime costumes for something called cosplay, I wonder if I should have alerted the authorities about possible abuse?
I have counseled countless young, over intellectual men who have perverted their sexual mores due to extensive hentia watching, for those who don't know, this is the Japanese festish animation involving aliens, tentacles and sexual relationships under duress.
I wonder why kids can't stick with good old-fashioned healthy American cartoons like Bugs Bunny or Roadrunner.
A. Rightmann
I'm talking Transformers, GI Joe, Voltron, Looney Tunes, Spiderman and His Amazing Friends, etc.? I try to watch saturday morning cartoons these days (yes, I'm 26), but they lack the magic of yore.
Question: Is Transformers considered Anime? If not, why not? What exactly qualifies a cartoon as Anime?
smd4985
What the hell is "Comedy Incorrect"?
Username taken, please choose another one.
...it's one of those things you can guage how truly geeky a person is...
Score points for:
1. They watch anime.
2. They correct you if you call it something other than their preffered name (japanimation, manga, whatever)
3. Two words: "Anime Hentai"... (score triple points on this one - add one to that if they try to correct my usage of the words in this question)
4. They learned japanese so they could watch original anime without dubbing or subtitles.
BlackNova Traders
The Anime Network(tm) model is structured around four categorized content areas: Action Zone, Sci-Fi, Comedy Incorrect, and Horror/Martial Arts.
Comedy Incorrect? Like, they'll be showing Warriors of the Wind or badly-dubbed DBZ?
Zech Harvey, MCSE, MCDBA, CCNA
The article doesn't go into much details about this, but will this channel run non-ADV licenced anime? They have a pretty good lineup I'll admit, but then so does Manga and other companies.
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
-Hoban Washburn
Hey, huzzah for an anime channel and all, but what percentage of those 24 hours do you figure is going to be devoted to DBZ and Pokemon? I seriously doubt they'll put anything on that hasn't been edited down to a G rating, and they'll pass on anything involving sex, drugs, violence, or fart jokes for fear of letter bombing by soccer moms off their valium, so how much can they really program? Plus, I just know my darn dirty cable company won't carry it, and my apartment complex doesn't allow dishes. It's all part of some nefarious plot to allow other people to outnerd me after all my years of effort at being King Dork of the universe.
Turn off the TV then. Problem solved.
~S
Trolllll.... Anime isn't all the same. A lot of mass produced anime is, just like our movie industry. But compare two good works, Furi Kuri and Ranma. VERY different. Or even better, compare two that lie in the same genre. Evangelion and Gundam W are two extremely different animes. If you're interested check out some GAINAX stuff, most of their work is unique in the macrocosm of Japanese animation.
If yours doesn't, then might I suggest educating your kids as to why the sexually explicit or violent cartoons are bad, or just buy a new TV that allows you to do so.
It is your job as a parent to raise your kids. It is not the cable companies responsability to monitor what they watch, it's yours.
Xaotik Designs
If only there were someway to post japanese on slashdot, It would be perfect for sigs and snide elitist comments too.
Damn lameness filter.
I've heard from some sources at ADV that the anime series shown on this channel might NOT be shown in their entirety, in order to encourage buying them on DVD.
Still though, it's nice to have any at all.
Bugs bunny is pretty cool, but daffy duck et. al. at Disney can go to hell. Bugs Bunny in intelligent, and has humor that someone my age can enjoy, whereas Disney is intentionally stupid.
It's been a long time.
Daffy Duck has left Warner Bros. and joined the Dark Side of Disney!?! Will Elmer Fudd be next?
The chances are that if you bought your TV after 1998 it will come with a V-Chip, which allows you to set a password on all the "restricted" channels, unless of course it is on digital cable, in which case the box will probably come with some sort of lockout as well.
Live for the present, learn from the past, and dream of the future!
There was another young woman who father would make her wear revealing anime costumes for something called cosplay, I wonder if I should have alerted the authorities about possible abuse?
That depends. Was the cosplay sexual in nature? Was she "underage" as defined by your local laws? If the answer to both questions is yes, do you really need it spelled out for you?
I wonder why kids can't stick with good old-fashioned healthy American cartoons like Bugs Bunny or Roadrunner.
Riiight. Have you seen some of the racist ones?. While I feel they're important for older kids to watch and think about, they're not "healthy." Of course, Bugs made up for that later by teaming with Michael Jordan... right?
Please tell me you're just trolling...
Get off my launchpad!
At this point we have, lets say, a billion channels available.
Unlike broadcast TV, setting up a new channel doesn't require millions of dollars for local, bazillions for national viewing - it takes provisioning a new channel.
However, the cable folks seem mired in this 1948 model where you have to have a channel setup for years and years rather than realizing that if you want to tack a new channel on for a couple weeks/months you can.
I thought about this during the OJ trial and the Olympics. If people WANT to watch something that's a limited time thing, then hell, create a channel for it for the duration.
OJ? Fine, the "OJ trial channel" is #58 until it's over. Then 58 is back in the pool of available channels. (disclaimer, I didn't own a TV during that whole thing, I just mocked my coworkers who were watching the blow by blow)
Olympics are 24x7 on channel whatever (or 4 channels if you want), with FULL RUNS of the events, not this highlights crap of things the networks deem popular. Want to watch the Finns battle the Algerians in the Biatholon/Luge/Nintendo event? You can.
Costs are minimum.
On topic: So set up an Anime channel.
It runs from 8PM EST until 4AM PST.
Want cartoon boobies? Well, at 11PM PST, the children should be asleep. we can get over our puritan heritage that says naked is bad (even cartoon naked) but watching a guys head get splattered against a wall in a faux gunshot is ok.
When will this end? Can I look forward to a Clutch Cargo channel in the near future? All Clutch! All the time!
Roving Web-Teleoperated Robot
I think they should combine this channel with G4, or make a package deal for the ADV channel, G4, Scifi, and Lifetime! That would be the ultimate geek package...only available on time warner!
(-1, Raw and Uncut is the only way to read)
How about rolling over to soft-core hentai after 23:00, like skinemax.
For about a month now, in the UK at least with NTL (In the family package, maybe others) you can get 'CNX' which shows, daily:
Outlaw Star.
Cowbow BeBop.
Spawn.
Justice League.
Dragon Ball Z
Samurai Jack.
Space Ghost Coast to Coast.
Obscure Jap Action Films at 10.
As well as others.
Not all anime, but its the best your going to get right now! And it is right now, not what might be.
I saw the light at the end of the tunnel... But it was just someone with a flashlight bringing more work.
I only have 40 hours of vacation!!! What do I do then!!?!?! I think I can overcome the sleep thing, but I need to eat!!
Sorry, I've got my slashdot spam filter set to delete stories that start with ADV.
But we already have the cartoon network...
-- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
Wow. Guess I should update my web site. I've got plenty more to add. My mind is a raging torrent of possibilities and perils. And suggestions.
- Even the most sweaty-toothed otaku can't watch anime all day every day. Consider the case of the incredible self-destructing sci-fi channel - everyone thought it's success was a no-brainer. But fans of the sci-fi genre only watch so much sci-fi (and prefer the good stuff too). Fortunately, anime isn't really a genre, it's a medium. I humbly suggest ADV consider what makes a channel successful (particularly the regular network channels) and take a long hard look at how they're targeting different demographics, because an anime channel for existing anime fans alone won't get far.
- Speaking of which, ADV is completely missing a key genre of anime here, and it ought to be their most important for picking up new viewers -Sports. It's good for many subtle reasons I don't want to go into here - suffice to say that Hajime no Ippo and Initial D, properly handled, could get solid ratings.
- Certain Japanese moral standards and levels of censorship are a bit more... open than those in America. Nudity in particular is a big issue even for TV, and certain excellent shows (like Berserk) are controversial and violent. How does ADV intend to handle it? Dumb it down for America, make it a premium channel, or just push the envelope?
- ADV is one of the biggest names in american anime distribution, but there are several others with many good series. Getting them on board would be essential. Bandai in particular might be difficult since they have strong ties to Cartoon Network.
- One of the biggest obstacles to anime on TV is the high cost of licensing the TV rights from Japan. Considering just how much anime we're talking about, that could be quite a lot of cash. Perhaps the downward spiral of the Japanese economy will help bring the terms down to a sustainable level. Still, promising a percentage of the profits rather than blanket licensing seems like the only way this could happen.
- They're going to have to compete with other channels snapping up some of the better series, particularly if they are popular. Disney already has the rights all things Ghibli.
- Since so many dubs are so poor, and since they'll be showing so much anime (and no doubt rerunning a LOT of it), is there an actual possibility we could get subbed anime on TV?
- I love animation, period. Any chance that this channel would show any of the (lamentably small) body of less kid-oriented animation from america and around the world? Likewise, I hope that this channel could stimulate the production of more mature animated titles in america.
- Like I said before, just anime might be hard. Why not branch out into other neglected forms of entertainment, particularly those which would appeal to the core demographic? Kung-fu, wierd film, and now (unfortunately) Sci-fi. Say, doesn't ADV do Farscape on video?
Well, that's a start... Hey ADV - call me.
---If you can't trust a nerd, who can you trust?
If you coddle your kids like so, youre almost guaranteeing that when they finally do get a taste of the forbidden when youre not around theyll get hooked and become anime otaku or something.
Where do you think all the freaky addicts come from? Over sheltered families natually. Its in a kids nature to do the opposite of what their parents herd them towards.
Cable offerings are increasing in general quality, which makes it harder for various cable providers to decide. That, and most of these providers have no grip on what much of their customers want in each demographic. You can have only so much of Trading Spaces before you lose your grip, find the cast and pillage the homes and equipment (after the obligatory jumping of all of the women, of course).
On a previous provider, I enjoyed TechTV and NASA TV. No more on its competitor, which handles the outshirts of my city. However, I gained the G4 gaming channel.
I would like to see amusing anime such as "The Slayers" or "Those Who Hunt Elves", but will have to settle for getting a copy at Suncoast Video, I predict.
Vos teneo officium eram periculosus ut vos recipero is.
If yours doesn't, then might I suggest educating your kids as to why the sexually explicit or violent cartoons are bad
Yeah, and when you're finished, you can explain that to the rest of us who believe that sex isn't necessarily evil and that human beings are able to draw a distinction between animated television programs and real life.
GMD
watch this
The telcos or cable companies find Mr. Taco off the map for anything above POTS connections -- but yet he has hopes that the local cable company or sat provider to the sticks is going to rollover on some respectful unsuspecting channel like lifetime or the golf network and put in "All Anime, all the time" -- now that is wishful thinking.
(+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
I disagree.
Kids are gonna get exposed to violence and sex no matter what parents do. It's much better if the parents talk with the kids about said subjects and make sure they understand that, although it may be cool on TV, it's not appropriate in real life.
Simply blocking their access to it isn't going to teach them anything and may very well do more harm than good, especially if they're good with tech and can find a way around it. If I had kids I'd rather they were exposed to it under my guidance than on their own, maybe getting the wrong impression.
Jw
Hentai asside, hopefully we will be able to see things like Cowboy Bebop without the episodes being edited by censors (*ahem* Adult Swim *ahem*)
Looks like they got beaten to the punch...
but then maybe this is why CN is suddenly dropping alot of the geek friendly stuff...
maybe there is a secert partnership here...or maybe there should be...!
Power Corrupts,Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely, leaving one person(group)in charge is absolutely corrupt.
Yay. Again, I don't want to sound like an elitist, but is ADV really who fans want doing this?
First of all, I can't even stand ADV's SUBTITLED anime. They managed to destroy Nadesico with their SUBTITLED version. Not an easy feat, but they managed to do it! I'd rather watch the show
"raw" than watch their subtitled version, even
though my Japanese skills aren't all that impressive compared to some of the other fans I watch with.
Naturally I have some questions about this network that ADV is putting together.
#1) Are they going to be showing ANY subtitled animation? The likely answer is "no," but there is a chance that they'll put some subtitled shows in the lineup at really late hours. Honestly, I will not watch this network AT ALL if there is no subtitled anime.
#2) Are other distributors going to be jumping on board? I sincerely hope so, because ADV is probably my LEAST favorite distributor out there.
If Pioneer, Funimation, Viz, Anime Works, etc. got on board as well there would be more variety.
ADV has the lisence to a lot of series, but I don't know if they can carry a whole network with what they have.
#3) Are they going to put NEW stuff on the air, or are they just going air to put shows that they've had available on video for years? Why would anyone tune in to anime they've already seen on video for years?
#4) Are they going to throw lame marathons of series at us? People have told me that Cartoon Network likes to do DBZ marathons or some such nonsense. That is a pretty sorry excuse for programming, IMO.
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
But you are right, blocking won't solve anything, they'll either just watch another channel to get their fix, or they'll go down the street to little Billy's, cause his parents don't care what he watches.
Xaotik Designs
Hey sonny, back in my day we respected our elders! Even the ones who were losing their minds slowly because their memories violate the DMCC -- I mean DMCP -- No the Canada Pension Plan! No, wait!!! The DMCA! heh heh heh!
Secondly, I don't really care about karma at this point; I'd have hundreds if there wasn't a cap. +2 is +2, so why not let a comment which is more on-topic than you bitching about my functional illiteracy be posted at +2?
Thirdly, since you can't mod in this thread, why even bother posting about how badly I'm going to be modded?
It's been a long time.
D'oh! That's my dang functional illiteracy acting up again(yeah right. I was just lazy and saw D Duck). Everyone who read the message knew which duck I was talking about, so I'm just glad someone caught it -- I sure as hell wouldn't have.
It's been a long time.
I'm never going to see my girlfriend again.
unfortunately, my little ones are in love with Hamtaro - bleaugh!
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Yeah, and since they know how to read (they do, don't they?) why don't you buy them a book or two (or are they way too expensive?) and let your children develop good imagination and reading/comprehension skills... Anyway. When a child can read Julius Caesar by Shakespeare at 13, I guarantee you he won't be watching TV much.
Oh, by the way: Shelter your kids, and they'll get pregnant (or get someone pregnant) at 15. Educate them, and their brain will be mature when their body is, and they'll have fun instead of abortions. You do think that sex is fun, don't you? (a rethorical question, not intended for PhoenixFlare)
"Piter, too, is dead."
I'd like to see some good cartoon sex in the evenings.
~ now you know
First a note: I didn't read through all the posts, as I have a test on my mind that is given in a 24 hr period, and, well, I haven't exactly attended that class...feel free to mod me down due to my bitching about this. on to the post. More details are needed before I, along with many other anime geeks, will be truly excited. Will there be subs, dubs, or both? will it all be censored to hell a la Cartoon Network? Will, as many others have questioned early on, there be times that "adult" content is shown? (I personally like it because it is nonsensically funny...ok...you saw through my lie.) Will these blocks be time based, or day based, or what? Will it only be anime licensed by ADV? Will there be anime movies, such as the popular well known Akira? My only suggestion is to market this like HBO, which has different channels with different purposes. A family channel with censored crap, A sub channel for "purists" (no comment, I like both types in different cases.) , a dubbed channel for "non-purists" (see above) a movie channel, etc. Hell, with enough capital they could have each "block" be a seperate channel. I am sure that there are enough people that would pay (yes pay....a term I don't like either) for this fabulous service. So if you work for ADV and read this, and think it is a good idea, just send me some dvds and pocky. I am running low and, being a college student, have no money.
The main problem with anime in North America, and especially on cable:
Baaad dubbing. For example, princess mononoke. The dubbing on the wolf gods was horrible. Part of what makes anime good (in it's pure undubbed form) is the emotion etc portrayed by good voice actors.
A real Japanese adult voice sounds pissed off sounds way better than when they hire some famous actor (or even worse, some off-the-street voice who hasn't even hit vocal puberty yet).
American female voices are also fricking annoying.
Subtitles have always been the way for me, even bad fansubs aren't as bad as bad dubs (and sometimes the mistakes are pretty hilarious too... Boy who sealed to tree. Girl who fall down well into past). Too bad standard cable doesn't offer voice-selection with the subtitle option (does digital? If I can get my anime channel in a semi-pure form I'd pay for that).
They should probably set up a whole "ADs only" hour so they can get all their stuff in and done at once. I bought the 13ep version of Record of Lodoss War and holy balls, there were literally 6-7 intro's for ADV in a row before the film started. Crazy.
The kid stigma for american animation is a problem. The no-extended-plotlines taboo of american TV is also a problem.
But with regards to non-anime animation not portraying emotion, action, or other concepts as well, I must simply disagree. Such artistic matters are key to animation, no matter where it is made, and there are many different ways of going about it. Watch an old Looney Tunes sometime - despite the simplistic stories, there's actually a lot going on. And what're you smoking: american cartoons bend the laws of physics with wild abandon. Anime has no particular advantage in this regard, and in some ways it's actually at a disadvantage - for instance, american cartoons have worked around their' family-friendly constraints by making subtle jokes that differently at kid and adult levels, while anime in contrast is much more specialized with regard to their target demographic. Anime also often animates at a very low framerate that many american animators would regard as intolerable.
I can only dream of the possiblities if american animation were to move past the first two problems I mentioned. I would truly love to see the results.
---If you can't trust a nerd, who can you trust?
In contrast, AOL/Time/Warner are a force for good?
I can't believe it's not lard!
GAINAX? Don't make me laugh. Their stuff has more fan service per minute than any other series I can name, and the "intellectual" content of most of their series is all in the minds of the fans. If you want truely original work, Hayao Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli is the only real choice.
Concerning your comment the form of Christianist that the matrix reflects is an old faction called Gnosticism that felt that the God that we know as God is a entity called the Demiurge and we are imprisoned in a fake work he created. Jesus was a creation of the REAL Godm the father of the Demiurge and sent him into the world to awaken us to the REAL world. Jesus taught secrets to his students and they went out and taught the secrets to others. Several organizations have been compared to (directly and indirectly) to the Gnostics including the Mormons and Freemasons. The Mormon church is about as close as you can get to the old gnotic ideaology. Just an FYI
-=[ Who Is John Galt? ]=-
We should force japan to adopt the same values as civilised countries like the USA - we do not desire to spread our values everywhere and forge an Empire, so why should they be allowed to?
Read it, read it again, read it one more time, if you're still not getting it let me help
We should force japan to adopt the same values as civilised countries like the USA - we do not desire to spread our values everywhere and forge an Empire, so why should they be allowed to?
I rest my case
T Money
World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
I offer you a challenge, watch the following Animes
Noir
Hellsing
Mononoke Hime
Kenshin
Samurai X
And tell me that those animes fit the stereo types which you claim?
Or try Ra Xephon or Whitch Hunter Robin
These are just a few examples of anime which does not fit your stereo types. Not to mention that all of the unhealthy immages which you claim Anime presents is presented in a good majority of american TV and Film as well.
T Money
World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
According to one source:
Once again, while the anime market may seem massive to anime fans, and it's true that the anime industry does have a lot of home video marketing influence and power in America, anime itself is still not nearly as understood or recognized an art form or entertainment medium in America as most anime fans think it is. It seems almost inevitable that America will eventually spawn an anime exclusive television network, but when experienced veterans like the Cartoon Network aren't prepared to venture into extensive anime programming, we should probably take that as a sign that an all-anime TV channel is still quite distant for the American market.
Indeed!
9. Uttering outrageous statements with no support.
10. Assuming negative motivations for actions when logical reasons exist (terrorism is supported by islamic theocracies)
11. Violent anti-semitism
12. Posting as an anonymous coward.
"Inattention makes clowns of us all" -Bean
I can see it now, 24/7 broadcasts of kernel recompiles!
T Money
World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
Because Ecology is a bunch of garbage that doesn't matter?
T Money
World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
Hi, I'm a typical slashdrone flaming people from my parents garage where I still live. Someday, after I finish downloaded the internet off of my cable modem I may seek the outside world and this mystery called human interaction, but until then I am content to complain about other people who I don't know while hiding behind a viel of anonmity, cause god knows I'd never have the guts to say something like this to someones face.
T Money
World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
If it's not a premium channel, there's a ton of stuff they won't be able to get away with. But if it's a premium channel, it'll be impossible to get subscribers beyond the existing pool of fanboys. The smartest move may be to do both. It's technically possible (on my service MTV2 and Spice share a channel).
Have a primary block that is freely available to everyone and meets regular American TV standards. Advertise it on other channels, and make every series a television event. Show your very best and broadest stuff to secure new viewers. Make it dubbed, and explain things to the uninitiated. The commercials keep this part of the channel self-sustaining. Most importantly, promote the the premium subscription and its advantages heavily.
The rest of the time, the channel is in premium mode and is available only to subscribers (scramble it, but not the sound if you can). It's a much bigger experience. Reruns of series with episodes you might have missed. Subtitled verisions. No censorship. A whole other major block of time with good series you could never show on network TV (right after the primary one). And a lot of lesser series to fill time and expand viewing choices.
It's an unusual approach, but then again anime is an unusual thing to show. I think this is the best option.
---If you can't trust a nerd, who can you trust?
You would think that they would license the broadcast rights for non-ADV shows from the producers; and producers interested would hopefully fall over themselves to get their shows on this channel. Advertisers would have a great fine-tuned target audience here like they do with TechTV, ESPN, and maybe even BBC America, Lifetime, etc. I have a couple friends that are able to frequent Anime' conventions and have brought me back some stickers and manga for things like the nurse and baseball manga; not just the sci-fi/horror sorts of things you see on Cartoon Network and that (at least I think because I like them like Robotech, etc.) most of us (that are here, I know /. is international) Americans watch. I am completely speculating on whether some of this (video, not print of course!) ends up on this channel. It would be a nice crossover since we seem to get a lot of our material on their channels.
I think with the interesting people, their lives can't possibly be wrapped up into a nice little package.
Pulls parental blinders a little tighter...*
Xaotik Designs
I have some world war II propganda cartoons of bugs bunny calling japanese slopes, slant eyes, gooks, yellow men, and various other racial slurs... is that ok?
--fetch daddy's blue fright wig, i must be handsome when i release my rage
The single thing which makes anime better than other cartoon styles is their constant willingness to treat it's viewers like adults. There have been other examples of this, such as Heavy Metal and Heavy Metal 2000, but they are rare.
Excuse me, but did you see the same "Heavy Metal" that I did? Unless your definition of "adult" includes stoned 15-year-old boys, there were exactly zero adults being catered to by that movie.
In regular animation, the laws of physics are generally followed
Uh, what the hell are you talking about? Either I missed the section of Newton's laws of motion that concerned coyotes surviving falls from mile-high cliffs and the bit in biology class where they mentioned ducks having detachable (usually via explosives) bills, or you have a very strange notion of what the laws of physics are.
News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters? Like hell.
This sounds cool, I just hope they can pull it off.
Personally, I'd pay what HBO costs to have a channel like that provided it would do the following things.
1. Run complete series. Aka, "Cowboy Bebop Weekend"
2. No editing... Show the series the way it was intended to be shown, not all edited to pieces to cut out "objectible" content.
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
Nextly, they haven't worn those sailor suits in quite a long time. Perhaps you haven't been to Japan lately?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
I'm the big fish in the big pond bitch.
So I had puter setup and for some crazy reason I had anonymous ftp set to read and write.
Well, one night I'm in bed and I can hear the server hard drive going crazy. I go over to the server and the console is slow as crap. I check the log and I'm out of diskspace on a 8gig drive that had nothing really on it but a bare bones install of redhat.
So I start searching around doing du and I notice that my ftp folder has about 7gig of data. I look in the folder and there are hundreds of anime porn videos!
I do a search on the internet for my ip and find out that I got flagged as the anime porn hub of the internet. Needless to say, I shut down ftp and made a lot of anime porn fans unhappy.
Personally, I don't get the infacuation with anime porn.. but hey, people also like to watch beastiality and bukkake.
Live web cams
Been beating about the idea for a dedicated anime network for about 4 years now, but lacked the resources (legal, monetary) to forge into it.
The idea was similar, but had an added bonus whereas in the event you had a TV with SAP and CC (most do, nowadays), a secondary audio program in Japanese would be added, with the CC doing it's bit for subtitling in English. I also planned an "adult" segment that would broadcast at the wee hours, with full V-chip compliance (in which, nobody could sue in case their kids were watching Ghost in the Shell and ogling Kusanagi's breasts)...
Ahwell, I have enough ideas on the backburner as it is, it's good to see someone fleshing it out...
Pity it's ADV, however, because I can guarantee the anime shown will have horrible English dubbing, and as they have a pretty limited stock, chances are all they'll prodcast for the first half year is what currently exists within their video catalog...
Just because you can mod me down, doesn't mean you're right. Shoes for industry!
The last time I talked with someone from ADV was in IRC. I asked him why ADV chose to do the overlays with Nadesico. Many people in the channel agreed that they damaged the visual appearance of the show. The ADV employee did not answer the question but rather decided to continue talking with the "fanboys" in the channel who kept saying, "It must be so cool to work for ADV!!!"
From that experience I gather that ADV doesn't care jack about supporting the more "hardcore" fans. They seem to only care care about prolonging the anime fad in the USA.
When this "anime fad" dies, the "hardcore" fan is all that ADV will have left.
In the old days of fansubbing (when people were still trading tapes), the fansubs often WERE better because they didn't go for high localization. High localization will tend to mangle a script. They also took their time with a series. It seems that timing and editing were both superior back then.
Nowadays the digisubbers seem to try to rush so they can get it out before the show is lisenced.
An example of localization messing up the script is as follows: In the first episode of Fruits Basket, Yuki tells Tohru (regarding the inclusion of the "cat" in the Chinese Zodiac legend) something along the lines of "there is no such thing as the juusanshi."
Funimation did not really translate this part very well in their DVD subtitles, because to do so they would have to explain that the Japanese call the Chinese Zodiac "juunishi" (12 Signs). If the cat were included it would become "juusanshi" (13 Signs) instead. But this explanation would be tough to localize. The best they could really do is have Yuki say, "There are only 12 signs in the Chinese Zodiac, not 13."
But they didn't even do that. They just have him say something along the lines of "There is no place for the cat in the Chinese Zodiac."
While what Yuki is trying to convey to Tohru is the same. However, this is a totally different way of saying it.
I believe the fansub I first saw had him say, "There is no such thing as the juuSANshi."
Of course, at the beginning there were cultural notes that explained all this.
Truthfully, nowadays there are tons of fansub groups doing digi-subs online. There are usually many groups doing the same series at once. Many of these groups are fairly crappy. But there are some good ones out there that I feel produce better subtitles than many commercial releases have.
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
Must be because you didn't want to read Shakespeare but rather watch TV?
"Piter, too, is dead."
Has any US network ever shown all 13 episodes of Cybersix?
> the "intellectual" content of most of their series is all in the minds of the fans
I'd rather watch a series that facilitates the exercise of my own imagination over a series that spoon-feeds it any day.
FYI, WB will be releasing a set of Matrix anime in 2003, and it will be called Animatrix.
To consider these movies to be animé is to be both ignorant and illogical. These show are much more related to hong-kong action movies than to japanese cartoons.
Check out the Matrix / Ghost in the Shell Comparison. It's quite clear that the Wachowski brothers were influenced by anime.
The Matrix follows very much in the style of action anime. And it's not just the fight scenes. The way the characters move when they are in the Matrix is quite distinct from real life. It's all very purposeful, direct, and aesthetic. In other words, very much like how anime characters move.
I suspect one of the reasons why this happens in anime is that it's easier to animate characters if they don't make all the uneccessary movements that real people make. It also looks cooler. Action anime characters tend to look like they're posing all the time. Every cell of animation is drawn to deliver the most aesthetic appeal. You will find that Matrix characters are similar in this respect. Some examples are Trinity's "Doge this!" scene, and the Morpheus (and gang) "We're in" picking-up-the-phone scene. In the latter, the characters in the background don't even move, just like in an anime.
The reason ADV overlayed nadesico is because it was a back catalogue title, and that was the only masters they had for the show. They dont overlay new titles. Stop complaining about something they dont do anymore.
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The people that work at ADV are some of the most hardcore fans around. Most of them used to be fansubbers! At the same time, ADV is a company, and they do need a return on their investments. Its a fine balance that they do a superior job at.
Oh yes, the days of trading tapes. Yeah, theres nothing I enjoyed more then those hecto fansubs, let me tell you. Bad spelling, unecessary swearing, and just not subbing stuff because they didnt feel like it or were too drunk at the time.
Your comment on localization is foolish at best, and only comes into affect with shows like dbz, pokemon, and other pop titles.
I myself am A big fan of linear notes. Hell, look at ADV's release of excel saga. Their pop-up-video style notes are fantastic. You cant really accuse them of pandering to the general public.
Funi is a new company, and this is an odd example. Does this affect the story or meaning of what was said at all? This is a tiny nitpick. "Hacking" of the script is when they refer to sake as tea, or try to Americanize phrases. They are still including the cultural signifigance in the translation.
FYI "There is no such thing as the juuSANshi" is not a translation, they left a word in thats not a name! Proper, professional translation should contain the meaning and intonation of the original phrase, while at the same time saving the cultural signifigance. (the piss/water phrase from mononoke applies here)
My problem with funi's release of furaba was the small subtitle font!
I disagree. Ive got many friends who are major members of these fansub groups (yes, the good ones) and they know their stuff isnt nearly as good as the professional release... tho the use of kareoke is quite impressive
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Jeez, dude, do your parents EVER let you out of the basement? Do they have basements in Asia?
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It depends... You cant compare the quality of an average Sailor Moon episode with a movie like Ghost in the Shell or Akira.
Some made-for-tv anime definietly suffers from repetitive scenes and low framerates, just like US-made animation, however most Anime movies and made-for-video episodes generally have very good quality work.
And of course, theres the occasional studio like Gainax, who make an art out of saving frames... There are lots of scenes in Evangelion where movement is non-existant and 2 or 3 minutes can passby, creating wonderful tension in the audience.
No sig for the moment.