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Bobby Fischer FBI Files Released Under FOIA
An anonymous reader writes: "Philidelphia Inquirer has a stroy detailing the results of a FOIA request for chess great Bobby Fischer." Turns out they thought the anti-semitic chess grandmaster(and his mother) was a soviet spy.
playing chess?
I mean... and they let that chinese dude (who stole nuclear secrets and whatnot) get away with it?
at least target people who can remotely have access to important stuff, man.
fp, btw, maybe
My life in the land of the rising sun.
first post!
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What's a "stroy"?
-D
Huh? Is that Russian for "checkmate" or something?
The fucken Philadelphia Inquirer can suck nuts out of a squirrel's asshole.
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I hope they don't release my FBI file about me watching TV and on the computer all day.
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maybe they are checking out way too many people now? "check"-mate..
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Have they finally confirmed that he's playing on the internet? :)
Due to the extreme influence of the Jewish movement on the American military state, (just look at the way they turn a blind eye to what's happening in Palestine) I'm surprised the FBI didn't 'create' the evidence they were looking for to put him away. They've certainly done it before. Maybe he was already too much in the public spotlight...
I wonder how hard it was for her to draw child support because she was a thought of soviet supporter?
I think Laurence Fishburn needs to pull the non-existant spoon out of the ass of the FBI
Just in case anyone was wondering whether the FBI were getting this guy all wrong here's Bobby Fischer's radio call-in on 9/11 applauding the terrorists [mp3] [Newspaper report on Bobby Fischer's 9/11 radio call].
--Giving to trolls for the benefit of us all
what does him being anti-semetic have to do with anything?
I mean if he hated asians, they wouldn't write him as an "ANTI-ASIAN chess grandmaster"
How come when someone is an anti-semite it has to be painted all over them throughout the article.
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How did that dude get so fucked up.
For someone who is capable of such incredible reasoning you would think he would turn out much different than a southern white trash redneck.
I'm not totally informed on all of the details but when I hear him say "dirty jew" and other nasty things about the Israelis I just wanna slap him and say "WTF happened to you?!?!"
under the "Quickies" topic?
I miss quickies!
Wen Ho Lee was not a spy. He was railroaded for political reasons, and released with a presidential apology, after those reasons were no longer important.
I find that it's frquently the case that naturalized citizens are more profoundly loyal to their country than those born to citizenship.
If you are going to post something stupid, at least do us the courtesy of making it appear factual.
-- Terry
Check this out:
http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/
It even has his e-mail address at the bottom, or so it claims. Also, quite a lot of callin shows.
Try reading it again, you seam to have read everything but the words "white trash". If you wish to call yourself white trash as well as southern and redneck then by all means do so, just don't accord yourself with the same respect a decent human being would presume.
I happen to be southern myself so your argument is pretty fucking moot. Next time don't just read what you want to read, read what is actually there.
Cry to someone that actually gives a damn.
"Bobby Fischer got underneath it like no one before and found at its center, art. I spent my life trying to play like him. Most of these guys have. But we're like forgers. We're competent fakes. His successor wasn't here tonight. He wasn't here. He is asleep in his room in your house. Your son creates like Fischer. He sees like him, inside."
And in the words of Homeless Fishburne, "COME ON GRANDMASTER.. All right, CHECK to his majesty, no, no, no, no, check yourself before you wreck yourself, you can't have it, HELLO! That's right, run, run, somebody call the police, this man is loitering!"
Since when has hate ever been "right"? When has hate ever solved anything?
That was the most pathetic rationalization I have ever heard promoting hate.
Fischer's anti-semitism and his apparent approval of the attack on the World Trade Center might make him an asshole, but it doesn't make him a terrorist, and it certainly doesn't retroactively make him a Soviet spy in the 1970's or vindicate any of the FBI's suspicions.
As explained in the article, the FBI had a long-running investigation of Fischer and his mother back in the 70's and earlier. It's just another illustration that the US govt has been spying on its own citizens for decades, long before there was any sort of terrorist rationalization.
I concur. They are making it seem like a crime to hold a certain attitude towards a certain population, the jewish people.
... even if unsubstantiated. With freedom of speech, people will be able to distinguish truth from falsity. When restrictions are placed and a portion of the population is given special untouchable-from-criticism status, the people are not given this opportunity to guage truth from falsehood and suspicion and corruption of truth will brew even more so.
Case in point. John McCain has more than once voiced his anti-Vietnamese attitude. You don't see the press calling him the Anti-Vietnamese Senater.
Of course if Joe Smoe says anything negative about jewish people, IMMEDIATELY everyone (like a reflex action) labels him an antismetic and it's like he is a pedophile and they discount everything that he says, even the truthful elements.
I find this behavior troubling because: 1. it creates restriction on freedom of speech and thought for the general population. 2. It creates white/non-jewish backlash against minority groups.
Both of these troubling, growing situations can be prevented by BEING FAIR and not trying to make the jewish population untouchable from public comments, even if the comments happen to be negative
Of course, I'm sure I will be labeled anti-semetic after this post by the ignorant and by pro-censors. But, please think about it. I'm advocating freedom of speech, an essential pillar of our democratic society that is being chiseled away at for the past decade or so.
"long before there was any sort of terrorist rationalization. "
Actually terrorism has been around in the mainstream American sense, since the 1950's, which is why Kennedy formed the U.S. Navy SEAL's in 1962. Their aim was specifically targeted at terrorism, Yasser Arafat in particular.
We have just become complacent because since the mid 80's the American media has been more focused on what happens within our borders rather than outside them. This is what 911 changed, the American medias focus, and in affect ours.
Its been going on for a long time.
I think he meant Bill Clinton or his buddies at Loral.
But it doesn't have to be, because it is already, willingly, a militarist society. It's no accident
Letterman has servicemen reciting his top 10 list 50 odd times a year--you USians just love the uniform and the killing game.
Bobby Fischer's wild paranoid anti-semitic rants really make him come across as a total asshole.
Some time after he was locked out of the USA by the state department, he would go onto foreign radio shows and say the most outrageous things.
In his own opinion, he did more for the image of the US during the cold war than any other individual. Indeed.
And they fucked his family and him over. Instead of respect he got suspicion and hounding.
So perhaps in his own opinion, he can do more to damage the image of the USA by spouting off. Retracting and degrading everything he did for the US image.
Trying to take back what he gave them.
IIRC, Fischer was never publicly anti-Semitic (or very political at that) until some time after he retired. The FBI was tracking him for other reasons.
His actions in 2001 were created by a LIFETIME of US gov tormenting him.
If I were Fischer I would hate the US too.
They tried to ruin his life.
The us also tried to ruin Osama Bin Laden's life, and according to Frontline on PBS tried to assasinate him twice in the
1990s but failed (I assume his Allah protected him).
Then they destroyed a factory of his in the Sudan and international technicians proved it was for only regular
pharmaceuticals.
Then Osama could not take it anymore and may have tried to participate in destroyingh the world trade centers.
It was his revenge. Finally.
I know how Fischer too must have felt.
The US gove BANS chess people from playing overseas. EVEN in 2002!!!!! Its true, certain chess experts are banned from
international competition if the contests are in certain countries that embarrass the US.
speech like mine is supressed in the us.
I have noticed that, on more than one occasion, the editors have modified submissions and introduced grammar errors.
Politically correct nonsense. The largest motivating factor in technological innovation in the history of the world has almost univerally been
that of war. Our country today was founded upon principals of hatred just as much as it was founded upon principles of fraternal love and justice... two principles which have seen quite a decline in modern times. How so? It was hatred of another nation trying to impose its sovreignty upon us, it was the hatred of those who would enslave us. It hatred that drives our desires just as equally as love. To deny the effectiveness of hate in accomplishing goals, in ruling people, in innovation, in society itself as a factor for change... is to deny your own humanity. Hate is just as necessary as love. To say that hate is never right is merely to be hateful of that same emotion. It is irrational bullshit spoon fed to you by indoctrinating morons. Ignorant hatred cannot be tolerated, though if given reason hatred is just as viable as love.
Here again is the full text of the anti-constitutional 1992 letter from the US Treasury to
:
Fischer BANNING him from playing chess as an american!!!!:
Department of the Treasury
Washington
Aug 21, 1992
Order to Provide Information and Cease and Desist Activities
FAC No. 129405
Dear Mr. Fischer:
It has come to our attention that you are planning to play a chess match for a cash prize in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) (hereinafter "Yugoslavia") against Boris Spassky on or about September 1, 1992. As a U.S. citizen, you are subject to the prohibitions under Executive Order 12810, dated June 5, 1992, imposing sanctions against Serbia and Montenegro. The United States Department of the Treasury, Office of Foreign Assets Control ("FAC"), is charged with enforcement of the Executive Order.
The Executive Order prohibits U.S. persons from performing any contract in support of a commercial project in Yugoslavia, as well as from exporting services to Yugoslavia. The purpose of this letter is to inform you that the performance of your agreement with a corporate sponsor in Yugoslavia to play chess is deemed to be in support of that sponsor's commercial activity. Any transactions engaged in for this purpose are outside the scope of General License No. 6, which authorizes only transactions to travel, not to business or commercial activities. In addition, we consider your presence in Yugoslavia for this purpose to be an exportation of services to Yugoslavia in the sense that the Yugoslav sponsor is benefiting from the use of your name and reputation.
Violations of the Executive Order are punishable by civil penalties not to exceed $10,000 per violation, and by criminal penalties not to exceed $250,000 per individual, 10 years in prison, or both. You are hereby directed to refrain from engaging in any of the activities described above. You are further requested to file a report with this office with 10 business days of your receipt of this letter, outlining the facts and circumstances surrounding any and all transactions relating to your scheduled chess match in Yugoslavia against Boris Spassky. The report should be addressed to: The U.S. Department of the Treasury, Office of Foreign Assets Control, Enforcement Division, 1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Annex - 2nd floor, Washington D.C. 20220. If you have any questions regarding this matter, please contact Merete M. Evans at (202) 622-2430.
Sincerely, (signed)
R. Richard Newcomb
Director
Office of Foreign Assets Control
Mr. Bobby Fischer
c/o Hotels Stefi Stefan (Room. 118)
85 315 Stefi Stefan
Montenegro, Yugoslavia
cc:
Charles P. Pashayan, Jr., Esq.
1418 33rd St., N.W.
Washington, DC 20007
Choate & Choate
Attorneys at Law
The Pacific Mutual Building
523 West Sixth Street
Suite 541
Los Angeles, CA 90014
U.S. Embassy
Belgrade, Yugoslavia
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PDF versions exist on intl websites not yet blocked by the US gov.
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reas about abouse of us law against Fischer in 1992
http://www.ishipress.com/regrets.htm
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If I were Fischer I would hate the US too, they tried to ruin his life.
The us also tried to ruin Osama Bin Laden's life, and according to Frontline on PBS tried to assasinate him twice in the
1990s but failed (I assume his Allah protected him).
Then they destroyed a factory of his in the Sudan and international technicians proved it was for only regular
pharmaceuticals.
Then Osama could not take it anymore and may have tried to participate in destroyingh the world trade centers.
It was his revenge. Finally.
I know how Fischer too must have felt.
The US gove BANS chess people from playing overseas. EVEN in 2002!!!!! Its true, certain chess experts are banned from
international competition if the contests are in certain countries that embarrass the US.
Has anyone actually heard what this guy said? If I were a US agency I would be on his ass like white on rice. He is insane. A true murderous madman who has wiped out a generation of great chess with one hate-filled tirade. Someone please lock this guy up. Seriously. His message is poison.
Pure hate spews out of this guys mouth. Listen to the audio MP3. Unreal.
One of his final gems: "The Jews made up the Holocaust". How nice, and a pure lie. What a horrible thing to say, from any angle, whatever his past was like. This guy is in the same league as the Timothy Mcveighs of the world. NUTS.
Either you mean what you say or not. This has nothing to do with PCness. This guy is insane and filled with rage. We need less of those people around.
Violent talks just lead to violent acts. USA doesn't need someone like him. They've got enough of those to deal with already
The reason people don't bitch at John McCain about hating Vietnamese is that they kept him in a prison camp for 4 years. They probably killed friends of his.
Never mind that we were over there in their country.
Still though. If anyone keeps me in a cage in the jungle for 4 years? Fuck you.
For most American's, Jews are still that weak ethnic group that we let get killed back 50 years ago. We're still saving them today (if the US cut off the aid, Israel would be gone within a decade).
If we had an Arab sentaor who'd had a Jewish bullet in his ass, I don't think we'd complain that he hated the Jews.
someone should tell the FBI that grandmaster!=godfather ;)
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semetic peoples are the people of asia and north africa... they are broken down into specific categories (East, Chanaanitic, Aramaic, Arabian-Abyssianan, etc). in otherwords, to be anti-semetic is to hate an entire group of peoples including both the israllies, the palastinians, morrocans, the iraqis, the iranians... pretty much all of the middle east and northernmost africa, non-exclusive. fischer clearly supports the palastinians and is therefore, clearly not anti-semetic, he just is anti-israelli.
The Article talked about how it was hard for her to hold a job
And even more so it talked about how the FBI tracked their every move, often mishandling infomation because of assumptions that were not looked into further.
So I'd like to know just why I'm flamebait for a question that was quite honest, I have had my fair share of problems with child support
Is it near Philadelphia?
i find it interesting that the article chooses to talk about how he has voiced these anti-semetic and anti-american ideas, but then not go to any length to explain why. to his credit he did grow up slightly differently than most people and the pressures he endured are bound to have had some kind of negative effect. i think we should think about this before going off and blasting him.
p.s. this was done entirely without capital letters because everytime i hit shift my computer types an s. does anyone have any idea what the hell is wrong? it has become an extreme pain to punctuate and im seriously considering breaking my POS computer.
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals."
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speech like mine is supressed in the us.
you mistake "supression" with the fact that no one (except the tin-foilers) listens to or agrees with you.
" Before Bobby Fischer left for Russia in the summer of 1958, an agent posed as a college journalist to interview producers of the TV show I've Got a Secret. Bobby had been a guest on the show and won plane tickets to Russia. (Fischer's "secret?" He was U.S. chess champion. The panel was stumped.) "
I'm stumped too. Stumped how a gameshow in America, in 1958, could give away air tickets to Russia?! What else did you win, bug detector so you could tell when the feds were watching?
The us also tried to ruin Osama Bin Laden's life, and according to Frontline on PBS tried to assasinate him twice in the 1990s but failed (I assume his Allah protected him).
Like Saddam Hussain OBL is a former US puppet who turned on his "masters".
Then Osama could not take it anymore and may have tried to participate in destroyingh the world trade centers.
Maybe Castro is less easily upset, considering the number of botched US assasination attempts he has faced. Though if OBL wanted revenge why not target the CIA HQ?
The US gove BANS chess people from playing overseas. EVEN in 2002!!!!! Its true, certain chess experts are banned from international competition if the contests are in certain countries that embarrass the US.
Does the US actually need other countries to embarrass it, all too often the US can manage without anyone elses help...
Fischer just doesn't seem to understand that his insightful opinions are drowned in his ludicrous conspiracy theories and anti-semitism.
Lemon curry???
Um, I thought the US was kind of upset with Osama because he had already tried to blow up the WTC once.
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The FBI did have a legitimate national security interest in the Fischers. His mother lived and attended medical school in the Soviet Union. The KGB and GRU recruited agents from foreign students attending schools in the Soviet Union. His father fought against the fascists in the Spanish Civil War. That in itself isn't a problem, but it puts him in a group that was heavily infiltrated and influenced by the Communist Party and Soviet intelligence operations. The FBI didn't have the right to harass the Fischers, but I think they had a legitimate national security interest in investigating their activities to see if they were involved in espionage or other crimes. The CPUSA (Communist Party USA) was heavily involved in Soviet espionage operations.
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I guess that's like losing a chess championship, and then yelling "Best two out of three! Best two out of three!".
The leadership of the U.S. has changed 8 times since 1970, when Nixon was in office.
If, in fact, this is his motivation, he's fighting against an administration that's been out of power for a quarter of a century, and whose leadership, even if he could legitimately blame them, is already dead.
Perhaps his time would be better spent elsewhere?
-- Terry
I agree... the label of anti-semite is overused, even when conceivably on-topic (as in confusing anti-Zionism or anti-Jewish-Supremicism with anti-semitism.) As used here it is at best a lame troll.
At worst it is an example of hate.
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
the first WTC bombing was a diff group of religious zealots, not osama
"Maybe Castro is less easily upset"
Maybe not, I was told by a member of the CIA that Kennedy was killed in reaction to attempts on Castro's life.
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While I think the WTC attacks were totally fucked up, and that the people who did it are assholes, and should be killed; Its not as if they weren't provoked. Palestine and Israel have been fighting with each other for a long long time. We support Israel. Israel was created in 1948. We, the USA, and other allied powers / league of nations, put the israelis there, in palestine! Check up on some WW1, WW2 history. This and our continued support for israel is the reason for the WTC attacks, and for the turmoil in the middle east as I understand it. How long was palestine there before we decided to just make part of the country israel? Long long long before the USA was ever created. The first arab-israeli war was in 1948. 1948 they have been fighting for half a century. For some reason no one seems to have a perspective of the ammount of chaos and killing we helped to bring about in their part of the world. Israel and Palestine do the same shit to each other. But we label attacks by Palestine terrorism. BS. Both countries engage in it, we just support one of them.
Now, as for him hating the USA? How about this line of the story: He resurfaced in 1992 to beat Spassky again, in Yugoslavia. That got Fischer indicted: The Justice Department alleged he had violated U.N. sanctions imposed on Yugoslavia. If Fischer reenters the United States, prosecutors say, he faces arrest. Add that up with our FBI thinking his mother was a soviet spy, and I'd say they just wanted to fuck with the guy. We all think we're free until we do something the government doesn't want us to do. If I were him, I'd be pissed at the USA also. The USA is a great place to live, the best in the world. And I love the USA. But that doesn't mean we're always right, or that someone doesn't have a legit reason to hate our country/government. Unfortunately/sadly, in this democracy for the people by the people, the people aren't always the ones who are to blame for the wrong doings, but are usually the ones who pay the price. Its to bad we can't all just get along.
It's always nice to read an exciting stroy about a soviet spy! I guess we should get one of those 'learn to spell, 3yrs+' for both Cris and cmdr taco =).
a stupid theory. I'm curious to heard a valid argument.
It takes too long to qualify your attacks when you have to accurately represent things. Understanding a complex world is hard. It is much easier to make ridiculous generalizations that support your preconceptions. You burn too many cycles trying to see what is really there, so prejudice serves as a sort of blurring filter on reality. You don't see the details, just the colours.
Hence, bigots are just being more efficient with their brains. Not more effective, mind. Just quicker to come to conclusions, and then stop thinking. Leaves more time to watch TV.
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Note for example that he is still being hounded for the sin of visiting Yugoslavia!
Bobby Fischer is a jerk and always was one, and his remark is typical. But I can see why he hates the American government.
As to "anti-semitic", its a word people like to throw around a lot. In this case it says more about the accuser than the accused. Even Arabs are often referred to as "anti-semitic"! I guess that's why they become suicide bombers... they hate themselves.
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Except J Edger Hoover. They thought HE was straight...
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It's also on CNN
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Flag me as a troll, but I have the feeling that a lot of anger from 95% of the world towawrd USA is just because the good old USA are putting their "paw" in various country where they are not welcome or called for, but qwhere they have economics or political interrest.
Quote "Check your history, America isn't the worlds police. We don't go around saving everyone, it's their job to save themselves. We don't have to "give a shit", but if you would like us too then I suggest you give us a reason to "give a shit" by not strapping bombs to your chest and going kamakazi through grocery stores and bus stations."
Maybe you should give a shit by either dropping support for dictatorial or opressing regime, and TOTALLY retract from world interraction or TOTALLY use your power to correct all stuff with a bit of ethics. No an half way thru.
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Wake up... if the Israelis were "aggressors" they could have killed every single non-jewish person in the Middle East. They have not. While guess what... the Palestinians are trying their darndest to kill every jew.
One country has tanks and f16s... the other does not. If Israel was an aggressor they could have finished it by now.
Its because they are forced to fight a defensive war that they can't win.
Not such a difficult concept is it?
Maybe not, I was told by a member of the CIA that Kennedy was killed in reaction to attempts on Castro's life.
This must rank amongst the daftest of the JFK theories. If any small nation had managed to kill a superpower leader don't you think they would have claimed responsibility and used David vs Goliath symbolism?
Yes, except that it isn't David vs. Goliath. Remember, in that story the little guy hit the big guy and killed him. In this it's more like the little guy poked out the big guy's eye, and should the big guy find out which little guy it was, he would've stomped him into eensy little bits.
Do you think Russia was so interested in supporting all communist countries they would've stood up for Cuba and faced the M.A.D. that would have resulted?
To be nuked into oblivion?
http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/
To my dismay, I had only then learned that he had evolved into some "sweaty-toothed madman." What's interesting, however, is *how* he got that way. Well, first off, it seems clear that he suffers from some psychological problems (possibly schizophrenia), but his anti-semite beginnings seem to originate from Fischer being cheated out of his personal possessions. Apparently, according to the fax letters that can be found on his website above, he used a (jewish-owned) storage company to hold most of his US possessions when he left the country. His things were stored for many years until he finally asked for the lot to be shipped to him in Japan. When his items arrived, it seemed to him that half his stuff was missing. He told the company (politely) to please fax over documentation of his storage accounts there. The problem in this situation seemed to be that he had two accounts and one of them was changed to a different company with a different numbering scheme. Possibly that one got misplaced in the shuffle or was sold at auction without Fischer's knowledge. The faxes got more and more heated, but Fischer always maintained an air of civility. Finally the storage company just stopped writing to him. After reading the fax correspondence between Fischer and the storage company, it seems that Fischer had a legitimate beef with the company, but I imagine that since he was in Japan, he couldn't really do anything about it.
It doesn't end there, though. Apparently his sister died a while back and had some sort of trust fund put together. Fischer seemed to be owed about $300,000. However, the (again, apparently jewish) lawyers of his sister's estate pointed out (when it was time to collect) that a recent tax amendment forced them to hold on to the money until all but one member of the trust was left alive. It was only to be given out in cases of emergency. Once again, he feels violated, but this time his correspondence is less polite. His last fax ended with,
"You are a fuckin' Jew thief, Levinsky. Drop dead."
Now, I'm not sure if these two events were the reasons he decided that anti-semitism was the way to go, but they certainly don't help.
I'd also like to point out that even if the above stories are true, I believe it would only be an explanation rather than an excuse. I'm not condoning his actions and I certainly don't share his views - so please no flames.
We alienate the arab nations, which control half the world's oil supply, in order to support a nation that has no oil whatsoever.
So, I guess when Bush takes over Iraq (at the risk of millions of young men and women), he doesn't really want a country which has the second largest crude oil reserves in the world. If sympathy was the sole motive, then we would have been there for the Cambodians and Armenians.
but they've never sent in suicide bombers, or taken actions with no strategic value whatsoever
Uh, they don't need to. We give them all the weapons that they would ever want.
That's my favorite Fischer quote. There was a long newspaper article about his sad wanderings after his glory faded and his mind wandered, that told how some wacko cult tried to recruit him, offering to introduce him to women. What kind of girl did he want? He replied with the quote above.
...bet you ain't go one of these here Paradigms nailed to your den wall though.
One of the fun things in grad school is that tv, if and when you watch, is in a room full of smart, noisy people heckling the screen. Kind of like those Mystery Science Theater movies.
The Fischer-Spassky chess matches were a zoo, with half of us shouting moves at the screen, and the other half groaning, hissing, etc. In the din, over a period of days, I noticed one guy, relatively quiet--but when he did say something, his guesses were usually right. I thought, "There is a smart and interesting guy."
Anyway, 30 years and two great nerdy kids later, I still think he's a super smart interesting guy, also gorgeous, and I remain grateful to Bobby Fischer for his role in this.
I'm going to stay out of the politics and take this time to discuss another aspect of Bobby Fisher's many methods of winning...
I read Bobby Fisher's book on chess as well as the NY Times account of his famous match against Spassky. He was brilliant. And devious. He totally psyched out Boris Spassky. According to my recollection, Spassky had the first move. But Fisher didn't show up right away. So Spassky made his move and then had to wait. And wait. And wait... A full half-hour later Fisher shows up and makes his move. The psychological impact of showing up half-hour late was worth losing the time on the clock.
In his rematch, he did something very similar. He argued and argued the terms of the rematch. He fought and fought and fought to get TV coverage and media and the location and and and... He got everything he requested...then when time began for the match to happen, the set up which was to his exacting demands was the very thing he complained about. The TV camera was killing his concentration. Move it back. No move it farther. No, out of the room altogether. Put it in the next room filming through the glass in the door!
Caveat, this is from my recollection of the events I read about, so I may have a detail or two off, but it's correct in the general outline...
Look down the list: Bobby Fisher, Bertoldt Brecht, the American Friends' Service Committee. They're all leftists. Are you people seriously trying to claim that it is not the role of the FBI to keep tabs on people who are fundamentally at war with the United States? Hello?! These files are relics of a nearly-forgotten time when the FBI defended this nation. The FBI you see through these files is not the degenerate radical group now laboring to abolish the sacred liberties for the sake of which our nation was founded.
Can any rational person doubt that the American Friends Service Committee is a radical leftist organization? The so-called "Society of Friends" (better known as the Quakers) have managed to disinform the American public to the point where most of us get them mixed up with the Amish (to whom they bear no resemblance, believe me), but that's just clever propaganda. Look at their web site. Follow the link above and see for yourself. They describe themselves as "committed to social justice". I think we all know enough about left-wing cant to recognize that as a committment to paternalistic big-government interventionism, a managed economy, affirmative action, gun-control, and all the other crap the left wants to chain us with. Not only that, but it looks like they're in pretty good with Iraq, huh? They're in pretty good with the UN, too.
The AFSC has been involved in more left-wing causes in the last century than any other known group, including the infamous Students for a Democratic Society -- another deviously misnamed radical left-wing cabal.
The Quakers pose as Christians, but they're not. They're a cult. They reject the Biblically-based doctrine of salvation by faith alone. I'm sorry, but if you reject a basic tenet of the Christian religion, you're not a Christian. I don't care if you accept the divinity of Christ and all that: It's all or nothing. Now, I'm not a Christian myself and I really don't care if they worship John Belushi, it's all the same to me -- but they are lying when they claim to be Christian, and lying is a problem for me. What are they trying to hide? It's clear enough from their web site.
As for the others, Brecht was a well-known, life-long German Socialist and a professional propagandist through the medium of his plays. He's a favorite of left-wing academics to this day, for that reason alone. His work is utterly worthless except as left-wing propaganda. None of his plays were produced in his lifetime, and none have been produced since except in left-wing drama departments of Eastern colleges. When he was alive, he languished in utter (and well-deserved) obscurity.
William Faulkner was a leftist as well. Throughout his whole life he was involved in liberal and "progressive" causes such as integrationism and Federal intervention in the domestic affairs of the States.
All of these people posed (and the AFSC still poses) a clear threat to the welfare of this nation. Had the FBI neglected to maintain files on them, that agency would have been sorely remiss.
None of this, of course, has any bearing on the rogue agency which the FBI has since become. Nowadays they have entirely given up their legal and moral obligation to monitor (and occasionally neutralize) threats to this nation. Instead, they spend their time harrassing and killing innocent, law-abiding citizens at Ruby Ridge and elsewhere. The FBI of today is not the FBI which kept a close eye on Bertolt Brecht. The FBI of today is itself a danger to this nation.
Times have changed.
The leadership of the U.S. has changed 8 times since 1970, when Nixon was in office.
If, in fact, this is his motivation, he's fighting against an administration that's been out of power for a quarter of a century, and whose leadership, even if he could legitimately blame them, is already dead.
You honestly believe that the current administration is totally distinct to those of the past? Christ on a bike, Daddy Bush was head of the CIA, Cheney was Ford's assistant and Chief of Staff. Your current administration is chock-a-block with the same crooks and cronies as Bush Sr's 10 years ago, which was stuffed with Regan-era and earlier muppets. And now, to top it off, here comes Poindexter eager to set up his new Stasi. It's unbelievable.
... that they just gave this file to someone?
Yes, I fully support FOIA. But if the FBI had a file on ME, I'm not sure I would feel comfortable with them just handing it over to anyone because someone asked nicely through the mail.
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Actually, a very good argument can be made that the Israeli government is a sort of suicide bomber. It does consistently take actions that increase the chances of its own people dying, for political reasons.
It is. And I think most americans misunderstand the situation so far as what palestinians target as well. Because Israel is a state that practices compulsory military service, when they target busses or nightclubs they are targetting military targets in a sense; the busses are primarily transportation for military personnel, and of course the nightclub patrons are in large majority military personnel, because they are of the age where that is compulsory. The argument is a double edged sword - the palestinians inflict civilian casualties - but the Israeli government uses those civilians as human shields, making it nearly impossible to attack military targets without inflicting civilian casualties. Both the US and Israel routinely inflict casualties on civilians and excuse it as 'collateral damage' - whatever validity that argument has (I am extremely skeptical of it) it has for the palestinians just as much as for others.
Disagreeing with the Israeli government is not anti-semitism, although there are all too many who will cheapen that word by slurring with it as if that were so. The Israeli government, and its overzealous defenders, in fact, are manufacturing anti-semitism with such misuse.
As a footnote to those readers who now think I'm anti-semitic, note that both of my links are to articles written by Jews whose forthright dedication to truth and justice I hold up as shining examples to be emulated by all people. The Jewish people are not identical to the Israeli government, either individually or collectively, and it's quite possible to criticise one without any prejudice towards the other. Take a minute, read the links, and think instead of reacting for once, please.
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A word means whatever general usage says it means. It's generally understood that the expression "ant-semitic" means "One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews." The etymology of the word may imply something else, but that's irrelevant.
--Larry
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence
slander is an awesome art form of the godless. and just why is an article about a chess player with unsubstantiated points of view (he is anti-something) and that he is a spy? What is the point? Aren't there just too many people who say that someone is anti-whatever? (whatever- fill in the blank). The person who put this story here is the real anti-whatever, because they present the whatevers as being people who are so petty as to call other people against them in an unsubstantiated way in a forum where it just doesn't matter. For too long too many selfish and greedy people of all kinds have used their own identity as a prop. They want all for themselves and they call anyone who they don't like an anti-whateverIAM. It is tiring and very immature. GROW UP. If Mr. Fisher is a hater of men, then he will face his Karma and have to deal with all of the bad consequences. You, poster of this unsubstantiated Slander should look at your self. What reason do you have to perpetuate the LIE that everyone who doesn't agree with you is against everyone of your ethnicity? Once again: look to yourself. Who are you against? Are you 'anti-whatever-you-are-not'. In that case you hate the whole world including most people in your own ethnicity, because they are mostly open-minded and truth loving, unlike you, poster of slander.
I think not. There is a HUGE difference between a witch-hunt and finding spies. Spies exist, and they are dangerous. The russians themselves said that Mccarthy was a bit overzealous, but not wrong. Spies need to be watched, that's the FBI's Job. You say that we railroad people, but it only seems that way because this is the only country that is free enough to allow these people to operate in the first place.
People who think they know everything really piss off those of us that actually do.
I want to date you . . .
...didn't they think everyone was a Soviet spy back then?
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Please note, I am not advocating either side. I am merely pointing out some additional facts and correcting some statements made.
How long was palestine there before we decided to just make part of the country israel?
Well, actually, at the time of the creation of Israel, that entire area was under British control. There was not a separate palestinian state.
The Israelis and the Palestinians have been fighting for almost 2000 years. The might have been using different labels (Hebrew, Jew, Arab, various tribal names), but they have been fighting amongst themselves (and over Jerusalem) for almost 2000 years. It is naive to state that the creation of the Israli state is the cause of the fighting.
Israel and Palestine do the same shit to each other. But we label attacks by Palestine terrorism. BS. Both countries engage in it, we just support one of them.
I agree. Neither side is in the right here. Both sides do despicable things. One could argue that Israel has used the holocaust and other anti-Jewish actions to gain sympathy in order that they not get punished as severely for their actions. I don't know if that last statement is accurate, but it is a possibility.
If I were him, I'd be pissed at the USA also.
I don't think that is the case. He broke the law by violating the sanctions (I am judging the sanctions btw), and so he must face the consequences. The FBI investigation seems to be excessive and unjustified, but I don't know much other than what was in the article.
I think his hate for the US mostly stems from his inflated view of himself. In his phone call to the radio station after 9/11 he states that he gave the US our recognition for intellectualism. Judging from what he said during the phone call, he feels like he has been screwed by the US because he wasn't glorified and made rich as a result of his World Champion status. There is more evidence for this in the comments made about what he would do if he won a world championship (last quote in the comment). I don't think he got what he wanted, and as a result, he feels bitter again the US because he thinks we owe him something.
neurostarThe attacks were based upon the fact that the US as a military base in the country that is considered most sacred. For a small number of radicals, a non-muslim nation (the US or any orther western country) having a military base there, is a problem to them (even though the reigning Saudia government has asked the US to be on their land). This was the reason why Sept 11 occured, the Palestine and Israeli conflict was never really even mentioned by AlQueda. When AlQueda realized that the US actually capable of taking out large chunks of their system, did they put support behind Palestine to bring in other Muslims that were not as offended by having a western military base in Saudi Arabia.
Once again, The Atlantic has a very good piece about this. In the 12/2002 issue, which arrived last Friday, there's a long piece detailing just how whacked-out Bobby Fischer is; look for it here:
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/12/
After reading it, I can see why the FBI kept an eye on him, just on general principles: he seems crzy as a bedbug. In addition to this, there's a fact that the article points out: "...[in 1992 Fisher played] Spassky again, in Yugoslavia. That got Fischer indicted: The Justice Department alleged he had violated U.N. sanctions imposed on Yugoslavia. If Fischer reenters the United States, prosecutors say, he faces arrest."
Bobby Fisher is one of the two greatest chess players who ever lived. The other one is also American, a bloke called Paul Morphy, who once had a couple of years on his hands, on account of Louisina not letting you practice Law till you are 21 (he went to Europe and pounded the shit out of the best they had. Then he came home and retired. Oh Cassia, why did you arrange things that he never played Lasker ?).
... intersting. Set the pieces up, and it's white to move, and lose in none.
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There are a bunch of Fischer stories. Some of them are even true.
There is the story about how he was playing in the leadup games to the World Championship, and he belted the Soviet grandmaster Taimanov six zip. Grandmasters dont lose six out of six with no draws, and to make sure that all the members of the Soviet Chess Federation understood this, Taimanov lost his job, the keys to his car, the keys to his flat and so on.
In the next round, Bobby then took on the Dane, Bent Larsen, who lost 6-0.
After the ex-World Champion Petrosian ("the Tiger") took half a point off Bobby in his first six matches, the Soviet Chess Federation gave Taimanov back his keys, his job and so on.
Fischer finally played Spassky in the World Championship in '72. Point for a win, half a point for a draw, first to twelve wins, and if it's 12-12, Spassky holds the belt.
Bobby blew the first game with a mistake that Fischer watchers called his worst move since age 12.
Game 2 was
You manage it by starting a major blue with the organisers, who reply "Mr Fisher is expected at the hall at 10AM. The clocks will start at that time". An hour and a half later, Bobby's clock runs out, and Boris Spassky leaves the hall.
A Yugoslav organiser once said "Bobby is easy to deal with. You ask him what he wants, write it down on a long list, and give it to him. Any time he comes up with something new, you point to the list, and say it isnt on it".
A English financier then drops a cold quarter-million on the table, and says "As there is no longer a question of money, Mr Fischer must be scared of losing to Mr Spassky".
Bobby, down 2-0 with first to 12, then cleans Boris Spassky's clock, to win the World Championship in a canter.
The Seventies goes on, and Bobby goes nuts, argues with the world chess body and loses his title. He makes certain rash statements, among those being that he would take on any woman in the world with the odds of a knight.
Come the nineties, he comes out of retirement for some friendly games with Boris Spassky (that get him into trouble with the IRS and various other TLAs, as Yugoslavia is under UN sanction at the time).
Judit Polgar, who is a chick who knows how to shove pieces around a board, then says "I've talked to my people, and we've got our million dollars".
Bobby then stays quiet.
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Wen Ho Lee is far from an innocent party. He gave to his kids passwords to laboratory computer systems, downloaded classified material to an unsecure computer, copied the classified material to tapes and took the tapes from the lab supposedly to his home where he says he destroyed and disposed of them. He was less than truthful during the investigation. I think the gov't botched the investigation by making him out to be a spy but I don't feel he was treated too harshly. He was given a clearance, he knew the rules and he chose to disregard them. His claim that everyone does what he did is just not true.
Newton was a classic Victorian prude and mysogynist-- and probably a closet homosexual. He was quite proud of his 'virginity' and proclaimed upon his death bed that no woman had soiled him. (I need to look up the exact quote.)
After his landmark physics theories, Newton spent an unreasonable amount of time trying to use numerology to calculate the end of the world based on passages in the Bible. Despite his intelligence, he had many unreasonable fears hatreds.
The next Slashdot story will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and slashdot the links early!
It's true that a great many chess grandmasters are not what you would call well adjusted, but it's interesting to note that the top players of the other contender for the world's top strategy game, Go, are generally psychologically healthy. The amount of study required is comparable. Maybe it's something about the game...
damn self loathing Jews.
Fischer is the greatest chess player who ever lived, and several pegs above the likes of Kramnick and Kasparov. The idea that he's a Russian spy is absurd. Fischer hates the Russians. He accused them of conspiring to keep the chess champion a Russian. He said the games between Kramnick and Kasparov were pre-determined. He is certainly not a Russian spy.
The other ridiculous thing that the US gov't has done to Fischer is threatned to arrest him should he ever return to the US, because he played a chess tournament in a nation which was under "sanctions" by the US. Fischer tore up a letter from the US gov't demanding that he not play in that nation. He has the right to play chess where-ever the fuck he wants to. He shouldn't face punishment for carrying out his livelihood in a nation the US "doesn't approve of". He could play fucking Chess in Iraq and make millions for the Iraq government. That's his fucking right.
Yes, Fischer has some obnoxious views, and has said some cruel and hateful things about the Jews, and has said some outrageous things about 9/11. Again, that's his right. He has the right to say whatever the fuck he wants to. Quite frankly, I can understand him for hating the US. He is the only US citizen who has brought honor to the US in the chess arena -- the only American who's ever been anything in chess. And not only was/is he good, he was/is the best. The US government repaid him by threatening to arrest him because he played Chess in a "sanctioned nation". That doesn't mean its right to say that the 9,000 people who died at 9/11 deserved it, but he still has the right to say that.
As for his hatred of the Jews, though I'm not saying its good, he still has the right to hold whatever opinions he wants. Though it would make more sense if he hated Christians, as he was scammed by the "Worldwide Church of God". But from his perspective, he's been wronged by Jews. He's particularly enraged about all of the profiteering that has been going on around his name, while he hasn't received a dime. Movies like "Searching for Bobby Fischer" and biographies of him were made, yet he's received no compensation. In short, other people are making billions of dollars off of his name, and he attributes this mainly to the Jews. That doesn't justify hating all Jews, but its still his right to do so.
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There's also a big profile on Fischer in December's Atlantic Monthly:m
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/12/chun.ht
It's obvious slashdot is another capitalist propoganda tool.
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People who think Israel doesn't have the right to exist is basically an anti-semite. If you know th e history of Israel's creation, then it pretty much makes no sense to critize it.
There is an earlier story about the suspicion that Regina Fischer was a Soviet spy. The title is Was Fischer's Mother a Communist Spy (pdf file) written by someone who knew Joan Fischer (Bobby's sister).
Ben Kingsley is an actor who says lines written by other people. In the case of Searching for Bobby Fischer, the book was written by Fred Waitzkin and the screenplay by Steven Zallion.
Attributing movie dialogue to the actors who say them is like giving Ellen Feiss credit for writing OS X. Please give credit where it's due.
Stalin was deeply involved in the Spanish Civil War. He provided the Republicans with substantial quantities of arms, military advisors and "volunteers". He also exported his paranoia and the purges to Spain. The PCE (Communist Party of Spain) often seemed more interested in fighting its perceived enemies in the Republicans than it did in fighting the Nationalists.
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You guys can't even spell Philadelphia. Christ, what a bunch of dolts you are.
Just a clarification: it ain't Fischer's FILE that's been released. It's his dear ol' Mommy's.
Under existing FOIA regulations you can't get the file on a living individual unless they personally sign a consent form. The article specifically mentions it being his MOTHER'S. Cuz she dead, baby.
It doesn't say that Fischer or his mother were spies. It says that Fischer's mother was suspected of spying, ergo Fischer must be...Q.E.D. Or so the drones that worked for the FBI thought.
Israel defines: "'Jew' means a person who was born of a Jewish mother or has become converted to Judaism and who is not a member of another religion."
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In that case, it would require an unbroken chain of atheist descendants (i.e. not members of another religion) from a Jewish mother n generations up the line (where n is only limited by how old you believe the human race to be and practical breeding concerns).
Anyway, this is kind of missing the point. What the original poster said implied that most people in the world could be classified as `Jewish'; what you said implies that they can't.
OTOH, it all depends how that definition is parsed anyway. I think it might mean the same as the original poster said, but that's unlikely, and I have work to do.
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So your claim is that Al Quaeda waited for a Republican Administration, before they decided that they didn't like the U.S., right?
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You are an idiot.
I worked in the same IBM facility as one of his kids; their cubicle was 20 feet away from mine. We all followed the case very closely, and we were pretty uniformly outraged; and being an engineering department, we did not simply adopt the outrage of the family blindly, we looked at the information for ourselves, rather than operating on hearsay.
Are you maybe that FBI dufus who perjured himself on the stand, and then later retracted his testimony, which anyone can see by examining the public records of the court proceedings?
If so, your behaviour really reflects poorly on your organization.
-- Terry
Go read about the PLO's "Phased Plan" and learn something new...
Please explain the 1993 WTC bombing - before Bin Dipshit had reasons for "revenge".
Obviously, CmdrTaco is the anonymous reader who wrote the "stroy" ("Philidelphia" was a nice one, too)... ;)
"well-adjusted socialite"
Heh.
Negros in San Francisco, that's a good one.
As a game player........ Sure the US Military is interested...
Any idea brought forth in an open society is exposed to criticism. If I claim to be able to make psychic predications, it should come as no suprise that many people will seek to prove otherwise, or just outright laugh at me. If I want to make a statement that I believe blue shirts cause violence, people are going to want to see statistics and evidence, right? No rational person would believe such things without evidence. It is up to you, the reader, to study the facts and decide for yourself what is true and what is false. This is your right. You don't have to believe things that are obviously false, no matter what people in power tell you.
Fortunately we have the freedom to criticize many ideas today. Almost no idea is censored in modern western countries. The few extreme elements of society like drug-users, pedophiles, and homosexuals are each day considered more and more mainstream, and many of their ideas are becoming the "norm." But while countries work to legalize things like prostitution and drug usage, at the same time they make stricter and stricter laws against so-called "hate speech."
Why? Why is information about White Pride censored when virtually anything else is published openly? Why can any idea be exposed to criticism except when it has to do with race?
The fact is Jews, liberals, and people in power know exactly what the message of White pride means and how powerful it is. Unlike their attempts at social engineering, our message is based on fact and reason. This is what makes it dangerous to them. It doesn't matter how much propaganda about "equality," "reparations," and "diversity" they hammer us with. When people see the evidence, and evaluate the facts for themselves, they will come to the same conclusions that other informed White people have. No amount of Jewish lies will stop the truth. They know this and fear it. This is why they try to suppress us.
So what should you do about this? Open your mind, and visit White Pride web sites like the National Alliance, White Civil Rights, and Stormfront. Get a copy of David Duke's My Awakening. Read what they have to say and make your own conclusions -- does what they say agree with the evidence available? Have your own experiences verified what they are saying? No one is going to tell you what to think, because it is up to you to make your own decisions.
Try asking yourself questions like:
- Why do we send billions of dollars of "aid" and weaponry to Israel every year?
- Why do non-whites commit far more crimes than whites even after all these years of affirmative action and welfare handouts?
- Are racial quotas in the workplace fair?
- Why are we told there are no differences between blacks and whites when we can clearly see the physical differences in their bodies?
- Why is Africa still in the stone age?
- Why is illegal immigration accepted and encouraged in the USA?
- Why is news about the Israeli spy ring caught in the USA only reported in foreign newspapers?
- Why is the government afraid to report the truth about the Anthrax letters?
- Why is the government continually increasing its control over our lives?
- Why is our media so dedicated to corrupting our children's morals?
- Why does the number of people killed in the Jewish holocaust keep changing?
- Why has the Wichita massacre gone unreported?
- And so on....
The truth will not be stopped!I have a feeling I agree with what you're saying, but not what you think.
The critical distinction for free speech is between speech as an extension of though vs speech as the result of thinking. You should be allowed to say "Jews suck" if that's what you think, (or you can say you hate me, all Canadians, white people, non-jews) as we should never limit your ability to think. However, speaking can also be an action, and just as we limit your ability to call people and threaten their lives, it's wrong to incite people with "Let's go kill some Jews".
The system is supposed to work because an abundance of information causes statements like "the Jews drink baby blood" to look stupid. The cheif problem arises when people confuse you stating your (if not great, at least truthful) opinion that you don't like jews with you actively hindering them.
I'll be the first to admit that even after 200 years we're still ironing out the details though.
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Dude... almost all men who are anti-women are heterosexuals... gays love their fag-hags, dig?
You honestly believe that slaves were never beaten, that they had a good life in bondage? Speak with any scholar of African-American history and they will certainly disagree with you.
Slaves WERE traded widely. Many plantations in Virginia, where cotton does not grow well, bred slaves expressly for sale to the Deep South. There are countless primary sources detailing the beating and lashing inflicted on slaves in all regions.
Any wages they received from being hired out were property of their master. Slaves, especially rural slaves, were fed poorly and "healthcare" is a joke. If they could walk they could work. Finally, if slavery was so great, WHY DID THEY RUN AWAY? Your statements are a tired old argument for slavery apologists.
Don't believe me? Read anything by Frederick Douglass, or 'African American Voices' by Stephen Mintz, a collection of primary works on slavery in America.
They are different crooks than they were 32 years ago, and they are crooks from the opposition party of the crooks who were in power 4 years ago.
If Fischer is justified in U.S.-bashing as if he were mad from syphilis contracted from a chess groupie, he ought to at least bash the right crooks.
NB: your "Bush was head of the CIA" argument is really bogus: that was George Bush Sr., not George Bush Jr.
-- Terry
Well he was killed that is for sure huh?
Sometimes when you achieve your goal it isn't wise to blab about it. It's about saving face on the one hand. Also I'm sure there wasn't concrete proof anyway.
One man acting alone could easily be called just as stupid a theory. If it wasn't the prevailing one already.
Ever wonder why we still have sanctions on Cuba for so long? We are fairly friendly with Russia and China now, and Cuba is a flea, but it's illegal for our citizens to even visit. Hrm...
Anyway it was just something I was told, makes sense to me though
That's a sweet story. >^..^
The article specifically states that the FBI's conclusion was that Bobby and his mother were NOT spies. The Slashdot blurb is wrong, and possibly libelous.
all these comments seem to be adding things to my argument that aren't in it, alls i was saying is that i don't think there is anything wrong with lambasting someone who says killing millions of people is a sham, regardless of what other killings, slaughterings, holocausts, slips of banana peels are wrong, right, silly, interesting blah blah blah, saying the holocaust is a sham is WRONG in my opinion. This doesn't mean i support what the israelis are doing now, in fact i think both the israelis AND palestinians who are attacking and killing one another are wasting there lives for no good cause. Now lambast me on this, because now certainly i think that in 1942 when king blah blah fought off the turkish mob that was overtaking the mahi mahi chicken sauce.....COME ON!
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/ 20021117/ap_on_re_us/fbi_bobby_fischer_1
It is not quite as extensive as the link posted with the thread but it gives a quick synopsis of the story. If you want more details I suggest reading the other article.
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You just used the term "ethnic cleansing" unironically. Please never do that again. To do so is to merrily incorporate into your vocabulary the claim that certain ethnicities are dirt and their members should be removed by any means necessary. The widespread adoption of this term by people who should know better is disgusting.
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exactly, make people laugh. That's why they were called "wise men." All the
other prehistoric people were out puncturing each other with spears, and the
wise men were back in the cave saying: "How about: Would you please take my
wife? No. How about: Here is my wife, please take her right now. No How
about: Would you like to take something? My wife is available. No. How
about
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