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Rick Berman: Enterprise May Not Suck Next Year
Steve Krutzler writes "Star Trek producer Rick Berman has made his latest comments in a new interview with a British magazine and he says the season finale of Enterprise ("The Expanse") will begin to change the ultimate mission of the show for the better: 'I think our final episode of the season is going to be quite startling because we're going to do a cliffhanger that will put a new twist on the series as it enters its third year.'"
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Oh, give it up. It's over. End this soap opera. Don't try to save it. Be like Buffy; she knows when to quit.
I really hope its true but the only way that I think it will happen is if they splice Shatner and Nimoy into the series.
Of all my friends who are Star Trek fans, none of them watch. I know of only one person who regularly watches Enterprise and she traditionally skips this type of show.
Sure, it's not a representative sample but from what I see Enterprise just doesn't appeal to its expected audience.
When talking about why ST: Nemesis was a failure Rich Berman (basically the head of all things Star Trek) said that opening between Harry Potter 2 and The Two Towers was tough on the film (70 Million to make only took in 43 Million in the US). I'd say to Rick, paying to watch such a bad movie was tough on the audience. The reason Nemeses failed was that it was BAD, both the story and directing.
...oh no that's in the interview too!!!
I DO like Enterprise but after reading the article to find out that the Borg are going to be in an upcoming episode. I feel sick.
Paramont please fire Berman and replace him with someone who does not rehash old ideas and thinks they are exiting story lines. It took are huge letter campaign to get ST from Paramount/Gulf-Western/Desi-Lu's closet to the Big Screen. Anyone want to write to "Impeach Berman" ?
What's next have a new young helm officer named James T. Kirk?
"I don't really want to get specific about it, but we're not talking about a tiny change. We're talking about a change that is going to, to some degree, alter our mission"
Maybe Archer will change into a woman, he's touchy feely enough already.
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They kill off Firefly halfway through the first season but let Enterprise go on for three years. Shheesh.
Hot gel-showering hot chicks aside.. I kinda like the series. I do think a "change of direction" would be an improvement though.. you can only go so far in space with that naive "we're from earth.. please don't kill us" thing. Maybe they'll develop some better weapons and grow some larger space nuts too!.. and MAYBE... just MAYBE... we'll get the scoop on this whole Klingon forehead thing.. No ridges... Ridges... That's a choice in potato chips, not aliens dammit!
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Said in the paper today its Bill Shatners birthday 2day, hes 72(yipes!). Happy... Birthday!, Captain.
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And screw the political sidestepping of the issue. Wil, how would _YOU_ fix it? WWWWD? Inquiring minds want to know!
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Voyager had one of those season finales every year and the show just kept getting better and better!
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... Rick Berman, Executive Producer of the Star Trek(r)(tm)(c) franchise is announcing his retirement from creative control of Star Trek...
C'mon guys... It won't stop sucking until Berman is out of the driver's seat. He doesn't know how to do anything truly creative. He was Roddenberry's financials guy, for crissake, not the creative pillar behind the series.
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Archer wakes up with Suzanne Pleshette in his cozy bed. We realize the whole thing has been a dream and Archer is really a balding Chicago psychologist.
Time travellers from the future reveal that future Trek series will suck just as badly. In a last ditch effort to save Enterprise, the crew must travel back in time and assassinate Rick Berman.
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Scene:
Enterprise Bridge. Archer occupies the captain's chair, his crew working busily around him. Archer suddenly sits bolt upright, and then sags as if exhausted.
Archer: I feel a great disturbance in the force.
Crew: The whaa?
My guess would be that they've finished the Saliban so its only natural to work on the next nemesis of the galactic peace, Piraq.
Well I guess it would be interesting to feature Q in Enterprise... Because that could happen, given that Q is this wildcard characters that they can use anytime ... but maybe it's just me being nostalgic of "All Good Things..." :)
I agree with you about Voyager (I gave up after seeing a few random supposedly "good" episodes), but it's quite clear you never really watched DS9. It had some of the best Trek episodes ever ("The Visitor", "Far beyond the stars", "hard time" etc.), and was quite engrossing because it abandoned the "restore to status quo at the end of each episode" formula. IMO, the best of DS9 was on par with or better than almost all of TNG (which I liked most of the time - "The inner light" was perhaps the best Trek episode ever, along with "the visitor"). I saw a couple of episodes of Enterprise from the first season ("dear doctor" because it was recommended by a friend, and I thought it was awful and amoral), and I honestly have no idea what the creators of that show are trying to do. Nemesis was utterly banal and plot-free, and it wasn't even consistent with what we saw in TNG. Unless there's a new show, preferably set perhaps another 200 years in the future of TNG/DS9, with someone like Leonard Nimoy at the helm, I think we've seen the end of Trek. Star Trek 196?-200[3-4] R.I.P.
Umm... The only thing Enterprise has going for it compared to any other Trek so far, is the fact it's recorded in widescreen format (I have a 16:9 aspect ratio tv, and it fits so much nicer)...
Then again, the plots are SOOO crappy that I never actually get to enjoy the benifit as my TV won't actually let me tune into the channel playing it...
I mean, there was an entire episode that I dragged myself through, where two people were on a shuttle running out of air, thinking that enterprise was destroyed, going back and forth about how they don't wanna die. That's not entertaining, that's like pulling teeth... Hell, Enterprise is like watching paint dry... except it never seems to dry... it's painful... make it stop!!!
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My take on this: of course he is going to say it won't suck! His job is to make a good show, and get people to watch it so the station can make money. If his show sucks, no one will watch it, and he won't get another paying job.
We have seen a TON of hype about TV lately (always?) and more than 95% of the time it is bullshit. Marketting hype.
Recent example: Fox TV: Joe Millionaire will make his decision next week! reality: No, just a filler episode, people boycotting Fox for lying.
Too many commercials anyway.
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I've all but given up on Enterprise, it's even worse the Voyager. No, not the show. The fact that now that UPN runs the show, there's not enough episodes.
They play rerun after rerun during the season. I can understand one or two, for a holiday or something.. I've gotten to the point where I assume it's going to be another rerun.
How do they think this is good for the show? Especially considering the show is 2 seasons old, there's not a lot of old episodes to show.
I think the fourth episode of Enterprise was a rerun of the second.
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Actual cliffhangers considered by Paramount:
Sorry, that was one was added by me.
The best TV-watching decision I've made all year was deleting Enterprise from my list of TiVo Season Passes. I'm a huge DS9 fan (still rewatching episodes as they air), I watched every episode of the other series (well, I missed a few Voyagers, I think you understand), but I can't believe people are still watching Enterprise.
The Slashdot story I'm waiting to hear is that Terry Nation's Survivors is coming out on DVD. Terry Nation was a science fiction script writer who could actually write.
I can't stand it. I tried to watch it when it started but the opening theme music is so freaking painful that I am forced to change channels or just turn the tv off in shock.
There are many nasty things you can say about Rick Berman: lousy writer, assumes audience consists of morons, rips off actors and writers, etc. But even if he had none of these issues, he'd have no hope of producing a watchable SF series. 'Cause he has no idea what SF is.
He thinks SF is all about the Gee Whiz Factor. Fancy effects, pretentious pseudo-science, lots of gadgets. That's why he abandoned the Picard/Sisko/Janeway thread: it was getting to hard to top himself with fancier and sillier gadgets and effects. So he goes back a couple centuries, where he can derive GWF from the "this is where it came from" element.
Real SF has nothing to do with the GWF. It's about playing with ideas, fiddling with them, seeing where they will go. That's why Star Trek developed a serious following in the first place.
Enterprise has pro forma "ideas" of course. But they're lame, silly, invented by retarded people who don't even know Junior High science.
Ironically, absence of the GWF is also why Stargate SG1 is doing so well. Which is really weird, because the premise of SG1 has got to be the silliest ever. (The USAF is secretly involved in intergalactic exploration and warfare? Yeah, right.) But the better SG1 episodes do what Star Trek used to do -- find interesting ideas and use them to tell simple interesting stories.
Bah, Berman has fell victim of the conservative trekkies. There are a lot of people who already like Enterprise. And majority of the people who like Enterprise are a "new breed" (IMO) of Star Trek fans (such as myself) who have never seen Star Trek before, but like this series.
The reason I like Enterprise is because it's more "humble". There really isn't a prerequisite to the show, so I was able to be introduced to "Star Trek" just as the crew (staff) of the show is. It's less technical and deals more with the human experience. (Like Voyager) I heard that people dislike the intro, but I think it works very well. It keeps up the "human"/"humble" theme. Even though the orchestra openings are good, I don't think there's a problem with the opening song (Faith of the Heart). (BTW, if you want to see what the Orchestra version would of been like, a "leaked" recording is here*.)
Now that I got into Enterprise, I've also started watching Voyager nightly, and now TNG on the "New TNN" and I'm having a new appreciation for Star Trek as a really good collection of shows, instead of the stereotype "geek" show that I used to make fun of.
Anyways, I hope they don't mess up the series. The last few episodes ("Stigma" & "Canamar") have been pretty good, "Stigma" went on about the politics of an AIDS-like disease among the Vulkcans (via Mind Meld). Though, they should of done something like that years ago.
I'll keep watching.
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He's already destroyed star trek and he's digging an even deeper hole for himself (to soon be filled with molten lead).
Enterprise has already broken the star trek timeline so many times that it's just not funny anymore. The plot lines are cheesy rip-offs and hold no future for the show.
I bet his idea of "quite startling" is "implied nudity" and "cliffhanger" is "predictable ending" and "new twist" is "old and abused nonsense."
Well, maybe for the first season or two. And it definitely was not typical trek wherein you had one episode that could stand fairly well on it's own. DS9 got to be a very good political soap opera, and I mean that as a compliment - you'd think being based on a space station would be limitting, but it explored whole new areas of trek that had never been done before - how starfleet runs, how the federation conducts diplomacy, how religion and advanced science may not be totally different. On the original series and TNG you knew who the good guys were. On DS9, you just had guys, and sometimes they were good, and sometimes they wern't.
The tradeoff is you pretty much had to watch it every week for it to make sense and play well, but that's not exactly unique to that show (West Wing comes to mind.)
As for Enterprise, I would probably watch it if it wasn't in the same timeslot as West Wing.
As for Berman, he's an idiot. The studio stuck a studio guy in what is a creative man's job. He's trying to make Trek work by doing what worked for Trek before, not realizing that worked for Trek before was doing something that Trek had never done.
The Borg wern't cool because they're the Borg. The Borg were cool because they were something Trek had never seen. Like Tribbles and evil copies of main characters from a parallel dimension, they're only good for so many episodes.
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The title should read:
"Rick Berman: Enterprise may not suck next year, but it probably still will."
Sorry for the mixup.
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I'm talking about mixing in some suspense and drama with the sci-fi/speculative fiction.
Kill some characters off. Make the ones that don't change. Have a plot that lasts. The soft-porn sections are (let's be honest) nice, but I'd trade them for a plot.
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I have serious doubts that John de Lancie would reprise his role as the "Q". I saw him at a convention once (yeah, I was a Trekkie geek) and he was truly a complete asshole. He downplays his role as "Q" because he wants to be recognized for his other work in various soaps like Days of our Lives and things like that. IMO a totally egomaniacal jerk who doesn't appreciate Trek fans at all. If Berman and company wanted to use a "Q" character, I think they'd do well to just cast someone entirely different. After all, there wasn't just one "Q" (de Lancie), but a whole "race" of them if you recall.
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I think the whole status of the franchise can be summed up with the opening theme for Enterprise. Hands down, people hate that song. Sure, there may be one or two fans, but for the most part, it sucks.
When asked about the backlash brought on by the atrocious theme, Rick Berman's response was "I like it". That there, to me, is the whole problem. Berman doesn't give a shit about what anyone else thinks. If he likes it, good to go. And, since Berman has shitty taste and doesn't know the first thing about Trek, we're stuck with substandard crap.
Bring on 7 of 9!
She, with her big boobs and tight jumpsuit, managed to improve the ratings of Voyager so much (and disgusted me enough to stop watching it) that it kept going for years.
So, bring in a crossover with her and the show will do fine. Of course, it will stop being believable, but who cares if you can see a nice chick with big booms in a jumpsuit?
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Then came First Contact. What a travesty. Oh look, the Borg aren't really communists, they're actually a capitalist society taken to it's illogical conclusion (from 'the individual matters' to 'only one individual matters'). They became yet another comic book villain. Wonderful. Like we need more of them . Oh, and the fact that torpedoes fired from a high technology ship at a ground emplacement seemed to have about as much explosive force as hand grenades was just ludicrous. I'd go on, but if I stopped to pick holes in First Contact I'd be here all week. Q was a competent villain, omnipotent but not particularly evil. The Borg were original before First Contact. The Dominion? Oh look, another empire, how exciting. Species 8472? Another empire, vaguely interesting since they could defeat the Borg, and it took the doctor almost a whole week to design a super weapon to destroy them. The Cabal? Oh look, another empire...
Enterprise fails for a number of reasons.
- They have to pitch technology above what we have now by about 50-100 years (I assume a World War III would reduce the tech level of a civilisation), below TOS. Since a number of things in TOS are feasible now, this is quite difficult.
- They lack continuity with the other series'. If first contact with the Ferengi was Picard on the Stargazer, then we should not be seeing them 200 years earlier. There are a large number of races which appear peripherally in the other series' and don't have their history mentioned at all. Why not use some of them? Why invent new species' like the Suliban who are either going to all die during the series, or leave a glaring continuity hole at the end?
- A prequel really wasn't the correct thing to do. When the Time Ship Aeon appeared in Voyager I thought that this would be a great setting for a new spin-off. After a few more episodes in the same line I felt convinced. Then Enterprise came out, with the 'Temporal Cold War' which seems to be trying to do this, but as a back story, not as a series premiss. And failing, I might add.
- Their story lines are cliche. A few episodes (Ceasefire springs to mind) are so obvious you can work out what's going to happen before the opening credits.
I'm going to continue watching Enterprise for the same reason I watched Andromeda up to Season 3. I honestly can't believe that something with so much potential can be as bad as the evidence suggests.I am TheRaven on Soylent News
Make it a drama with contiguous episodes. We need mutli-season plot arcs, and an over-arching theme.
How many star trek episodes have you watched where they discover some AMAZING new technology (new weapons, new technology, new energy source etc.), possibly even something that alters the reality of the show (afterlife, alternate realities, etc) and then that development is NEVER MENTIONED AGAIN ?
Think about the big shows right now -- Sopranos, The Shield, West Wing, Buffy, Farscape etc... All dramas, no episdoes where everything is resolved in 44 minutes.
One of the worst abuses EVER was in Enterprise, when they found out one of the crewman was FROM THE FUTURE and that there was a time "cold war". They didnt mention it again for like 6 episodes ... they just kept flying to different planets to talk to aliens ...
Why don't they wanna have a Drama? The show is much more difficult to repeat, much more difficult to write for, and much more difficult to produce. However, in exchange for this they get -- loyal fans --.
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The problem with Enterprise is that the basis is time travel and crummy technology. It was doomed from the start. Both of these plot devices force the writers to cheat, back peddle, and generally create unbelievable plots. The best thing the writers can do is to assume a good enough ship, ditch the time travel arch, and concentrate on character development and other basics of good story telling.
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I'd argue the whole temporal war subplot is a big clue that the universe that Archer and co. inhabit is not the same universe that begets classic Star Trek, TNG, DS9, and Voyager.
If they bring the Borg into it, that'll be the final straw - we're talking about a parallel timeline... maybe one spawned after the crew of the Enterprise E (and their Borg hitchikers) interfere with Cochrane and first contact. Remember, the Queen was trying to contact the Borg of that era - who's to say she didn't succeed?
Anyways, that's how I treat Enterprise - as a non-canonical spinoff. Makes it much easier to accept all these anachronisms they keep introducing.
Nevermind that they had never been heard of prior to the last season of The Next Generation, and nevermind that Voyager already tried to ret-con it so that Seven of Nine's parents actually knew about them prior to the events of "The Best of Both Worlds," and nevermind that each successive appearance of the Borg in TV and film has made them less interesting, but can the writers come up with no better ideas? Even after the Borg were introduced in The Next Generation, the writers kept trying new things and didn't rely on them. Deep Space Nine's Dominion plotline was dramatically insulting, but they found a way to deal with non-Borg life. Voyager I can understand, since that show took place a long way away from the Federation, but... but... Enterprise?!?
Mr. Berman, hear this: If you have to rely on the Borg to make your show interesting, you need new writers! And quick!
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I wasn't even aware it "sucked". I do think it attracts a much more mainstream audience, as I pretty much detest MOST of the previous ST series that have been on TV, with the errant episode here or there drawing my attention.
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Do you remember when Enterprise was first introduced? We were promised it would be "Star Trek with phasers". In other words, lots of action, less "character development" episodes and other slow topics.
That recent "Stigma" episode (T'Pol has mind-meld disease) was as far from "Star Trek with phasers" as you can get. On the other hand, that recent "Canamar" epsiode (Con Air, in space) was pretty cool.
Here is the best hope for the series: Berman and Pillar have stopped writing all the episodes. Every time I watch Enterprise, I make careful note of who wrote the episode. The whole first season was purely written by Berman and Pillar. Recently, we have had a string of episodes written by other writers.
If they want to make us happy, they ought to get some scripts from actual SF authors. How about John E. Stith, David Weber, or Catherine Asaro? (I draw the line at Piers Anthony, though...)
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Here's what's going to happen:
Young James Tiberius Kirk is rescued from a giant space rat or something. They let him drive the ship for a little bit, but Wesley Crusher visits from the future, and convinces Kirk that it's a really really bad idea, so Kirk leaves the ship to train as an Iron Chef (Iron Klingon). The entire timeline is changed, except for Wesley, who now travels in a battered blue police box, and is thus immune from the changes he has wrought.
In the meantime, when the Klingons attack Earth after trying Kirk's attempt to cook gagh, and a Vulcan shuttle transporting young Sarek crashlands onto the Picard vineyards, killing the entire family. Just to play it safe. The bistro in New Orleans where Sisko came from can stay. Good restaurants in New Orleans are surprisingly hard to find.
Finally, young Checkov discovers that he has psychic powers, and the rest of Starfleet travels off to meet the Minbari.
OK, we could only wish. But the ultimate problem with what Star Trek has evolved (devolved?) into is that the producers don't actually have a story to tell. They have episodes, and a made-by-committee chronowar goulash to hold it all together. They just don't get it. They need a continuing story, where you can't get everything if you miss a couple of episodes.
They also need to start killing off redshirts. No one on the crew has died so far (at least on the episodes I've watched). I want to see Crewman Jones choke to death on space pollen. I want to see a crew member shipped home because of genetic damage caused by routine exposure to the Warp V engine. I want to see some sacrifice here, space people.
I wanna see them complete f*ck up an undeveloped world trying to do good, resulting in the creation of the Prime Directive. It's got to be bloody, and horrible. I want to see them drop off on an unsuspecting planet that really nice scientist who thinks that the Nazis could have been a good idea - but he's really just an evil Nazi bastard like all of them are and secretly went there to create the Fourth Reich in all its glory. [want an alternate universe story? Starfleet vs. Nazis armed by the Klingons].
AND, they need to drop all of their useful crutches, that means:
1. No holo-anything. Not even holo-trinkets from Vulcan.
2. No transporter malfunctions that result in anything other than painful and irreversable death.
3. No mirror-universe
4. No mirrors - let's play it safe here.
5. No Borg
6. No Q. OK, maybe Q, but they can't remember ANY of it at the end of the episode.
7. No time travel chrono war. Have it all resolved in a very special episode with special guest stars Wil Wheaton and John DeLancie.
8. No decon gel. Let's get real, folks. Just let them have space-sex, and we'll get all the fan service we want. Just give us an honest space-erotic massage, and I'll be happy.
Need a plot? War with the Klingons. War with the Romulans. Peace protestors at home. Vulcan and French disapproval of Starfleet military intervention.
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Unfortunately, he was very good in the role, asshole or not. Actually, maybe that's why he was good- he was playing himself!
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Star Trek is like Windows. They have run out of ideas and just keep recylying old ones. And like in Star Trek, people are becoming aware of it.
Seems like folks are taking thier ideas of a better trek and doing it themselves....thus Hidden Frontier
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Go grab a few shows and see what folks with the DIY attitude can do...then get your geek on and go make.
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Screw Star Trek. I want a show about the Klingon Empire where they constantly beat the living shit out of each other and conquer new worlds with an evil grin on their faces as they yell "FIRE!"
For the intellectual part of the show, they could concentrate on inter-clan wars, the empire itself, and its culture-rich religion.
Sex appeal is the only problem. Sure they have their tits hanging out of their uniforms all the time, but those nasty-ass ridges don't do it for me.
Oh yeah, and there wouldn't be any time-travel, whiney women/geekey men, or techology based episodes, because the klingons wouldn't give a damn, and if they did, they'd just kill the offenders.
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I have to take several of the points against DS9 on right here and now.
# The hero or heroic group does not have to make a physical journey so much as a spiritual or experience based one. Go back and reread Jospeh Campell's Hero With A Thousand Faces or The Power of Myth. Time and time again little minds always equate the heroic call to journey as a travel based journey. Space is only one dimension of experience. Go read Herman Hesse's Glass Bead Game (Magister Ludi) for more on experience and expansion thereof.
# DS9 the station may have "sat" there but the characters in it moved across time, space and experience.While other Trek show characters simply mouthed the required catch phrases ("make it so" "blah blah blah logical" "I cana change the laws of phsyics") DS9 characters had to grow, had to expand, had to come into conflict not just with the swirling universe around them but the swirling turmoil in their own selves.
Once again we are hitting on the narrow minded ideas of what makes a Star Trek Production good.
# Besides the many great topics hit on by WolfDaddy take a look at how they dealt with the issue of Race. Many times the plot of a show or arc of shows had to do about a characters race and the conflicts they have in being that race.
The Captian himself has to come to grips with this in the alternate flash back universe of Benny, the black science fiction writer living in the middle of the 20th century.
# DS9 also looked under other unseemly issues that most of the other Trek shows glossed over. In the other Trek shows the Federation were a group of happy content citizens whose every basic need is catered to. In DS9 we finally see the cracks in the Federations shiny armor. People are still fsked up, people are still people rather than holier than thou walking talking good will ambassadors.
I can see where many die hard Trek fans would find this a bad thing. They were happy knowing they were part of a just and right thinking future and here DS9 comes along to tell them all is not as it seems.
Have you ever been to a movie house full of die hard Trek fans? Watch and listen to them. They will cheer as certain catch phrases are used, start citing chapter and verse detailed factoids as to way such and such cant be happening
"well in the third season shows 23 it was clearly shown that Sub Commander Thalls second half sister was on that planet when it was destroyed by speices 776523 and so that character can not be in this movie because that would cause a rip in the space time continuity"
and will have this warm happy glow on their faces no matter how bad the movie or show was. Why? Compare and contrast the audience in a Jimmy Swagart revival or in the audience of any evangelical church gathering. See something interesting? I knew you would.
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why do you talk so strangely?
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Hoshi:
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Universal Translator
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Mayweather:
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the captain hears not
Tucker:
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leave space before she bites you
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I agree... I really like Enterprise. I also liked Voyager but rank Enterprise higher. TNG was also quite good. DS9 is the only one I couldn't get into.
I haven't seen the episode "Dear Doctor" but I just read the text about it on startrek.com wondering what was awful and amoral and found out that what was awful and amoral is the genesis of the oft talked about prime directive. Now you can think what you want of the prime diretive (that it is awful and amoral to you apparently) but I am surprised that you seem to have developed these feelings watching that episode and not by watching one of the countless episodes where they have dealt with the prime directive in the preceding series.
Also, don't forget that the different crews of each series have quite often broken the prime directive and that if they hadn't they would have had to do awful and amoral things too so try not to judge the Enterprise crew any differently than you would have judged the TNG crew or the DS9 crew.
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Enterprise sucks for the same reason that The Young Indiana Jones sucked, it is little more than a vehicle for left-wing politically correct propaganda. The producers behind Young Indiana Jones seemed to believe that using special effects to make it look like they were filming in exotic places would actually make people want to watch despite the fact that the show itself was little more than a gimick to push PC. Enterprise seems to rely on Ms. Spocks cleavage for the same purpose. Personally I like the little asian translator girl better, but neither is enough to make me want to watch the show. A perfect example of the shows purpose as propaganda can be seen in the "AIDS awareness" episode called Stigma. The details of this can be seen here:
http://www.trektoday.com/news/010203_03.shtml
I don't know about you, but I've been aware of AIDS for almost 20 years now and I don't need Rick Berman and company to tell me about it.
It would be so nice if the producers understood that stories that are little more than contrivances and vehicles for political and social propaganda aren't something that people are going to relate to. The sad thing is, the people behind this program probably don't even realize what they're doing. Hollywood is so intellectually inbred that they probably believe the programs they're creating will actually resonate with audiences. While these shows might resonate with the people behind the camera, out here in the real world they come accross as a steaming pile of PC.
The job of television programming is to entertain. It is NOT the job of television programming to propagandize. Whenever the people behind a program become deluded into believing that they can use the show to push whatever social or political ideology they subscribe to, the quality invariably suffers.
Part of what makes Farscape so great is that the show doesn't have an agenda beyond entertaining its audience. It makes me wonder if the fact that it is an US/Australian production has anything to do with that. Did the producers have to leave the country before they could make a decent show? What role did its lack of preachiness play in USA network's decision to cancel it? If you ask me, they cancelled it because it makes the rest of their lineup look like a bad joke. I'm almost afraid to see what its replacement, Tremors, is going to be like. How can one create a sustained story line from such a simplistic plot as people running away from underground monsters? Its good enough for an action movie, but hardly something that makes for a weekly TV show.
I can't really complain though since I almost never watch TV. Farscape and Stargate are about the only things I make an effort to watch on a regular basis, and now that Farscape has been killed off I suspect I won't even bother to tune in for Stargate.
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This sounds like a good way to buy into the series. Unfortunately, deciding it's a parallel universe doesn't help me to ignore the hackneyed writing. Considering the number of Trek fans out there, and assuming there are some in the movie/television industry, why can't they bring in some GOOD writers?
Whatever bad things might be said about Voyager, and to a slightly lesser extent DS9, at least they tried to take things into different directions at times. For all its faults, Voyager was a starfleet vessel with no contact with starfleet (until near the end) and a non-starfleet crew - at least an interesting concept that was only ruined by the apparent insistence on letting that ship get by too easily, IMO. DS9 showed that the Federation isn't pure goodness and light (for example, by showing starfleeters at their worst while in a "real" war as opposed to capital ships throwing broadsides at each other) and brought religion into the mix.
What fresh ideas has Enterprise given us? I haven't noticed any myself (a temporal "cold war" just seems dumb, especially the way they've handled it). Good Lord, they even made the first officer VULCAN - the antithesis of originality. Enterprise, to me, is Rick Berman trying to do ST:TNG again - and not the good episodes...more like the first season of TNG which was filled with rip-offs from the original series.
Ah well, I shouldnt be saying anything at all since I'm not watching it anymore (the last three episodes before they started reruns again finally convinced me they had nothing original). I'll take a look at Enterprise again in two years or so, assuming it's still on, and see if it's managed to become interesting. That method worked for me on DS9.
- Tossing in the Defiant will fix Deep Space Nine because now they can get off the station (well, they could with the runabouts too, but those weren't cool enough)
- Tossing in Worf will fix Deep Space Nine because now we'll have Klingons, and Klingons R Kool
- Tossing in a big multi-year bunch of B5-envy will fix Deep Space Nine because we didn't know what this show was supposed to be about in the first place, and the Bajoran/Cardassian thing is getting boring.
- Tossing in Seven of Nine and killing off Kes will fix Voyager because Borg R Bitchin' and you can never have too much of them
- Jumping 10 years closer to home will fix Voyager because everything we've set up with the Kayzon and the plague and stuff just isn't working
Sigh. I believe anime term for this kind of viewer abuse by a long-running series is "Tenchi Restart Money-Grab". It's obnoxious, and nobody should be falling for it anymore.- "The Andorian Incident": The transporter is new and not guaranteed to work. By taking hostages, the Andorians have already forfeited their lives, but rather than beaming them out, an away party is beamed in.
- "Cold Front": Near the end, Archer has a phaser on Silik, yet does not kill him.
- "Fortunate Son": The Enterprise away team is under fire from the freighter crew. They could have had their opponents beamed out or heavy weapons beamed in--on the gripping hand, neither option would be necessary if Starfleet Academy could find non-Stormtrooper marksmanship instructors.
Conclusion: The protagonists' survival is attributable solely to their being characters in the Star Trek universe. Were they nonfictional, they wouldn't last five minutes in a firefight.You mean they're finally going to change the theme song?
Stargate SG-1. It's very accessible to the average person (I have a lot of friends who are not geeks by any means but are avid fans of SG-1) yet it's not TOO cheesy (most of the time.) It accomplishes basically the same thing as Enterprise tries to while being a much better show. Yes, SG-1 is sci-fi fluff, but so is Trek.
and the Vulcan is a poor man's 7 of 9.
If Jolene Blalock is a poor man's Jeri Ryan, I want to be the most penniless pauper in the world.:)
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Here are the resons that I think the latest Star Trek is doing so poorly:
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1. Berman and Bragga are not supporting the fans, but are instead, antagonizing them. The name of the show is "Enterprise", not "Star Trek: Enterprise". Yet, I find nothing that is different from regular Star Trek in Enterprise. It is the same old story, with people in a ship. NOTHING DIFFERENT. Also they hire a director for Nemesis who brags that he has never seen an episode of Star Trek before. Did I see Nemesis? No. I will not support these idiots who don't have respect for me as a fan of the series. In trying to win a larger audience they have pissed off the majority of the loyal fan base.
2. Trying to make Star Trek into something it is not. Star Trek, to me, will always be a cerebral kind of show.... yes with the occasional firefight, but the main focus will be on ideas, and dilemas, not on technology and cool spacefights, althought the first does not preclude the latter. It seems to me Berman is trying to make Star Trek into a kind of Star Wars clone, with huge battles and scifi effects, but that is not what star trek is. Nemesis, to me, seemed to be just another Star Wars wannabe.
3. Lack of interesting stories and lack of continuity. Berman seems to be intent on destroying what is accecpted as being part of the Star Trek past. Instead of exploring intersting ideas, such as the beginning of the foundation, early earth struggles, the romulan - earth war, he wants to create new crappy ideas (the suliban) that go against everything we know in the other series (where are the suliban in TNG, DS9?). Enterprises episodes are just more of: Go to Planet X, meet alien Y, discover secret Z, and a big reset at the end, with everything forgotten for all future episodes. This worked well the first time the did it (TNG) because everything was new and interesting, but now it gets boring.
4. Temporal Cold War. What the heck is it? I don't think even the writers know. The idea seems pretty ridiculous to me. I think Berman just put together some words to come up with something cool sounding.
5. T'Pol and the catsuit. Can we please stop trying to attract the teenage boy crowd. I hear they have something called the "internet" now, and they don't need Star Trek to fufill their sexual urges. geeze.
The only way to save Star Trek is to get rid of Berman, and everyone he has affected and put his stench on, namely Braga. These guys are just out to squeeze ST out of every buck they can.
ps. for reviews of Enterprise episodes read
http://www.firsttvdrama.com/enterprise/index.ph
most of the times it is spot on with whats wrong with the show.
Oh, amen. It's not that there's a message that bothers me, it's that Enterprise has to be so insulting as to spoon feed it to us.
See, in the original series, after the episode where the half-black/half-white people were fighting with the half-white/half-black people, they didn't end the episode with a "ATTENTION! THIS EPISODE WAS ABOUT RACISM! IF YOU ARE EXPERIENCING RACISM CONTACT THE NAACP"
I mean, WTF...To put AIDS on part with Vulcans dabbling with emotions both trivializes AIDS and insults everything the Vulcans plot line has produced. If emotions are all so grand and wonderful, are we supposed to cheer the Vulcans who develop them or be depressed that every other series in Trek shows utterly emotionless Vulcans.
Feh. I blame Brandon Braga. He is responsible for every single Trek debaucle in recent history. He created Borg kids and that horrible Voyager series finale, for starters.
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Perhaps Berman is finally resigning! That would improve the show no end!
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Let's face some basic facts, kids.
SciFi on the TV/big screen is nearly dead. Why? Well, it's not lack of plotlines or new stories.
There are literally thousands of scifi books out there with original plotlines.
It's because Hollywood execs are braindead. They don't want to take risks anymore.
They are not willing to take risks because these shows cost money. Whoa. Duh.
It's all about ratings, beancounters and return on the dollar.
Where's the modern Roddenberry when we need him?
Jackson seems close...
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The Pied Piper was an amateur.
Isn't Berman the guy who couldn't understand why _Nemesis_ did horribly? Why should Trek fans listen to what he thinks will do well with the franchise?
In other words... HEAD FOR THE HILLS FOR SEASON THREE!
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It's obvious if you read the article and the one it links to what the new story line will be - war with the Klingons, including major attacks on Earth. Archer and Enterprise will undoubtedly have to go into action both to reconnoiter, to enlist allies, and where necessary to go into action against the Klingons. This will be the birth of the Federation of Planets.
We jump to the year 2258, 10 years after the Earth-Klingon war. Earth is enjoying a period of peace, albeit a fragile one.
A coalition of governments, led by the humans, have constructed a space station, let's call it Beladon 6. It is located in nuetral territory orbiting a planet called Eksilop 2.
The purpose of this station is to provide a place for humans and aliens to work out their differences in peace. It's a home away from home for diplomats, officers, wanderers, business people and others.
Jonathan Archer is put in charge of the station, at the request of the Klingons, which is kinda strange.
By the end of 2258, nothing is the same any more. The Klingon ambassador names Volann, has put herself into some sort of cacoon, and a mysterious alien presence has made an appearance. These aliens appear to be immensely more powerful than any other race around.
We then jump ahead to 2259, where captain Archer has, mercifully, been reassigned to duty on the Klingon homeworld. Strangely, the series seems to improve considerably after that. To replace him is captain Sherinnian, a war hero of the Earth-Klingon war.
About this time, Volann comes out of her cocoon and is a human-Klingon hybrid named Torres (no relation). We also meet a species called the Suliban who use technological means to simulate the effects of magic. We learn in a spin-off series of books that they were created by the mystery race to be weapons.
Sherinnian and Volann fall in love, get married and have a child, but who really cares about that crap anyway.
The mysterious alien race send an agent to speak to all the ambassadors on the station. Along with him are invisible members of the alien race, who we later find out has a name so long we could never pronounce it, so we just call them species 8472 (again, no relation).
Aaaanyway...
Sherinnian leads a coalition of the will... no, an army of light... no, a FEDERATION!, in a war against species 8472. We finally beat them by not fighting at all (don't ask), but we later find out that they had dark allies serving them that are just as dangerous, called the Borg. We'll be dealing with them for a LONG time.
There's also some crap a few seasons down the road about people with telepathic abilities, and Berman and Braga expertly set up a war between them and mundanes for the NEXT Star Trek series, which should start some time around Enterprise' fifth season.
Hmmmm... this all sounds kinda familiar actually...
Don't worry... at the end, Q shows up, resets the timeline and Enterprise goes back to sucking hairy moose cock again.
All I keep watching for is the slim hope that one of Hoshi's tits will pop out during a gel scene and the editors and censors will miss it.
God this show sucks!
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There are some problems. It is not as interesting as I'd hoped it would be, and there are so many re-runs that I can't bring myself to feel excited about next week's episode, especially since the teaser-trailer isn't played after the show. In some ways that is a blessing, because the teasers often give away important parts of the plot!
I like the pilot a lot! It had Earth and time travel, and everything that makes a really really good Trek show. But then they left Earth behind, and their potential story lines went away. They have to focus on Earth to make this a new and exciting show. Show us the problems at home, and that everything isn't as rosy on Earth as they make it seem. There are bound to be splinter groups unhappy with Starfleet, and they should get the ball rolling faster into making a "Federation" with people they are meeting. They are trying so hard to stay away from catching up to the other Trek show's timelines, that they are stagnant.
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Well, never one to keep my opinions to myself, I hereby bravely head in to the breach.
Until Enterprise came along, I hated Star Trek. I didn't find ANY of it entertaining, from TOS, DS9, and whatever else was out there. I gave every new series a shot because it was considered the 'geek-correct' thing to do. For years I hid my shame, and hid my disdain for ST.... No longer!
Yes, you read that right - I'm a geek, I hate Star Trek, and love enterprise... Mod away!
Think outside the... Hey, where'd the friggin' box go?
They became yet another comic book villain.
The Borg are effectively the Homer Simpsons of the Star Trek franchise. They get more and more stupid with each passing season.
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Starfleet headquarters in Frisco doesn't get nearly enough attention, all the eps where they've been there in any of the series have been pretty cool. It'd be interesting to set a show here on earth and not on a ship/station who the hell knows where.
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Rick:
"I think our final episode of the season is going to be quite startling because we're going to do a cliffhanger"
Mullet:
"Um, Rick, what series season finale doesn't end with a cliffhanger?"
Rick:
"We're talking about a change that is going to, to some degree, alter our mission and, to some degree, change the tone of the series"
Mullet:
Oh, I see. So we're moving away from seeking out new life and exploring new civilizations now? Gotcha. Good call. That was overrated anyway."
Rick:
"The Expanse" will continue a Klingon story arc beginning in "Judgment" and also introduce an attack on planet Earth
Mullet:
"Ah yes... I heard about that VERY SIGNIFIGANT EVENT from the other Trek series... Yes, so memorable it wasn't mentioned by anybody before this series... Very sneaky. You should get a +1 Insightful."
Rick:
"One of [the last four episodes] is going to be a fascinating Borg encounter," he told the mag. "Which is interesting in that Starfleet had never heard of the Borg before Picard. So we have managed to deal with that in what I feel is a very interesting fashion."
Mullet:
"The Borg! Wow! Wait, let me guess-- The crew will A) Forget of their existance by the end of the ep or B) Not recognize them as Borg and feel their presence so insignificant as not to report it in the chain of command thereby filling Picard with COMPLETE surprise three centuries later when he encounters them. Like the Ferrengi. I'm sensing a trend here, Rick."
Rick:
"We've discussed everything from a young 'Sarek' to 'Q' [John de Lancie] to 'Kirk' [William Shatner]."
Mullet:
"I understand, Rick. That's kinda what happens when you have the creative genious of a rock. Gotta fall back on something, and far be it from me to suggest that something be original..."
You know, I can already see it... By the time Rick is done with this series, it's going to look like it's been through a blender on frappe'. It will be like the Star Trek V or Highlander 2 of the trek series-- Universally maligned and disowned. Many will pretend such a mistake simply never existed. The Borg? Serek? Q?! As if the time travel crutch weren't enough, you have to rape all of the other series for their creativity as well? Somebody picked AT RANDOM with absolutely no directing experience from the Slashdot crowd could do a better job than this spider monkey... I move we file Intent of Assination. All in favor?
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There was - Space: Above and Beyond, which was an excellent show that was cancelled after one season. It was created by the Glen Morgan and James Wong (who wrote the good episodes on X-Files). The cool things about the show were:
1. Nobody saw the aliens
2. It started out as a bunch of newbie Marines that eventually turned out to be one of th efinest units
3. It had an excellent arc, that unfortunately didn't continue the amazing season ending.
4. It mostly told WWI and WWII stories and not 'we have a new technology' stories
When I first read that they wanted to introduce the Borg in Enterprise, my immediate reaction was "oh , please, NO!". But then I started thinking about it ...
So, we're several hundred years before the timeline where the Borg were first introduced to the Star Trek universe. This means that the Borg themselves may not be that highly-evolved yet.
So what if Archer and crew came across some pre-Borg civilsation, not realizing that these would end up being Star Fleet's worst enemy in the future? They could even HELP them in some way or another. That would make an interesting twist - Star Fleet being haunted by its own creation.
I like that idea. Of course, the writers will have to refrain from ever mentioning that episode again in any of the future plots (and I somehow doubt that they can resist the temptation when rates are going down next time).
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I too enjoyed Voyager very much. While it had some episodes dealing with time travel and such that didn't work very well, it had many time travel episodes that did work well. I found the character development to be absolutely extraordinary, and I continue to be amazed as I watch how the crew grew into a family over the 7 years the show ran. A crew of renegades, criminals, and uptight Starfleet types managed to pull together and grow to a point where any one of them would give their life for the others. Personally, I could have stood to see it go on another 2 or three seasons. Endgame, in my view, was a gimmicky end that left far too many questions unanswered. The show, the crew, and the fans deserved more.
In terms of the Borg, they've been ruined time and time again in Star Trek, movie and show alike. What began as the perfect enemy, a force of nature if you will, was turned into little more than collection of LANs brought together by a subspace wireless WAN, controlled by a single individual who somehow rose to power in the collective. Its unfortunate that such a truly ingenious design was so completely destroyed, but it wasn't accomplished soley within Voyager. I suppose at some point, something had to be done to make the Borg somehow less powerful though. One cube nearly assimilated Earth a number of times. What would 20 have done?
Species 8472 is another point which many ST fans dislike. Personally, I liked them a lot in their first few episodes. Up until the point where they were building that Starfleet recreation, they were doing quite well. They were powerful, adaptive, could annihilate entire planets at once, and destroyed Borg cubes like childrens' toys. Their only weakness was on the bio warfare end of things. The whole Earth recreation episode just made everything a bit too cheery and nice; as if things always work out for the best in the end.
Overall, I think the series was very captivating. It had its share of plot holes, dead episodes, and other assorted issues, but it also introduced us to the next generation of Starfleet personnel. We were given a glimpse into the future of Star Trek with this younger, smarter crew whose captain was more intelligent and strong than just about anyone before her. Personally, I liked Kate Mulgrew as the captain. I think she brought a very strong, yet compassionate personality to the role of captain; a depth of character not seen before in the Star Trek world. I liked Tom Paris, who grew from a troubled child into a responsible, dependable family man. I liked Tuvok, who did more for teaching us about the Vulcan race than Spock could have done in 20,000 seasons of TOS. I liked how they went to their tricorders when in unfamiliar surroundings instead of feeling around and staring at everything like an idiot. I liked the fact that they had to deal with real problems on that ship, including depression, starvation, death up front and personal, and human interpersonal relationships. While Kirk ran around trying to bang every blue-skinned quasi-female he came across, Janeway and Chakotay dealt with a near constant sexual tension between them; something that could never come to be. I liked how Neelix was annoying. Why? Because he annoyed everyone, which made for some humerous situations. I found Tuvok's dialogs with Neelix to be hilarious at times. Sure Neelix annoyed me, but he really annoyed Tuvok, a vulcan. How the hell annoying do you have to be to annoy a Vulcan?
So while many have judged Voyager's episodes as bad, or even unwatchable, I found the series as a whole to be far better than any that had come before it. You could plug a season 2 TNG crew in a season 7 episode and notice little difference. Try plugging a season 2 Voyager crew into a Season 7 episode. The doctor? The captain? Kes? Tom Paris? Neelix? Chakotay? Harry Kim? They were all completely and totally different people by season 7. The hardline captain, the frustrated commander, the renegade pilot, the naive and scared ops officer, the undeveloped and rude doctor; they wouldn't stan
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It sounds like I'm very much in the minority here that likes the show as it is. It does take time for the characters and stories to develop but I think this series has done the best job of that since TOS. And it had all the feel of a show that was ready to take on issues of our day, like TOS.
So now they want to make some drastic change to impress non-fans. Wonderful. Anyone remember Sea Quest? There was a show that was off to a good start but once it got on track and just started building up steam they just had to screw with it.
Ever seen Andromeda? I doubt you have but it was another Roddenbery show that was just getting good when WHAM! they decide it needs a little more pep.....so they turn the damn thing into a freakin soap opera!
What made Star Trek TOS so good was that you didn't have to see every episode. You could see a single show and figure out the relationships of the crew and the jist of the federation of planets. Each show was its own story and that story dealt with some social or political issue it a way that didn't make a statement but got you to think of a statement of your own. At the end of the show it was done and if you came back next week it was because you liked that, not for some cliff hangar. I only remember a single episode that was a two part, and that had to be done because there really was no way to tell that story in an hour, not just for the sake of cliff hanging.
And there's the problem. Berman seems to want drama for the sake of drama, not for the sake of a good story.
IMHO, I like the show the way it is and wish they wouldn't fsck with it too much.
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I think I've figured it out and its all so simple. Star Trek was cultivated during and after the cold war, a time of great hostility and pressure. Star Trek was an expression of people's hope for the future. They looked around and honestly weren't certain there was any chance for us. What they needed was a Picard, a morally righteous person, a kind of father who they could count on to make wise decisions. And a great leader for the nation.
But now times have changed. America is now the sole superpower of the world. We've grown arrogant and cynical. That star trek of the past is no longer suitable. Deep Space 9 had the right idea. It was dark and more disturbing. You have a crew with all these conflicting alliances. You have a looming war on the horizon. And you have a captain a bit more Machiavellian than Picard.
But Enterprise is trying to pick of up them people who used to watch the original show. Captain Archer is just a more naive version of Picard from our viewpoint. But them people who watched the original show have also changed. Its a shame that Rick Berman and friends have not.
Does anyone think that the Star Trek franchise has failed to explore the benefits and constraints of the Prime Directive adequately? How many episodes have they devoted to this?
...Look at me, I traveled through time, and we still suck at History in the future, so I don't know how to act, but hilarity and drama will ensue.
Does Someone out there think that they have failed to get people interested in space exploration? Maybe it doesn't seem like it now. That's because they already did it.
Haven't they challenged stereotypes and social hang ups? But remember when it was more sophisticated instead of being insultingly spoon fed to you? And aren't these the same lessons they repeat over and over again?
Haven't they already made exciting suggestions about technology in the future? And didn't it use to be more thought provoking or interesting ideas? More things seem possible now. The changes in technology they challenge us with now, are hard to swallow, and difficult to fit into a reasonable timeframe. Aren't we basically beyond the level of computing used in the original series?
And I have stopped watching any Star Trek to avoid seeing one more boring, reaching for ideas, TIME TRAVEL EPISODE. The people in the enterprise have traveled through time so many freaking times that I can't believe the universe would have not been destroyed by now. Really, how many Federation officers must be their own great grandfathers by now?
In other words, their plot devices are used up, their technology is outdated and irrevelant, their moral lessons are dumbed down and insulting, and in an effort to make a timeline justify itself with the obvious problems based on a 30 year old prediction of the future there are ludicrous attempts to redefine technology.
...and in the conclusion, Phlox is pulled out of the transporter and transformed into a slinky female Vulcan who immediately embarks on a lesbian love affair with Tpol.
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I dont get it. I love Star Trek. I like the "universe" of the future and how the many shows and movies intertwine. Out of all the shows I dilike are TOS, and the first few years of TNG.
I never got into DS9, but I did watch the full last season and I liked it. I loved Voyager and Enterprise and the later years of TNG.
Gene had a good vision but the shows sucked under him. I seen to be only one in the world to actually like the whole Voyager series and totally dislike TOS, The Original Series had bad sets, bad acting and lame stories. But I dilike anything old, maybe that was just Sci-fi in the 60s... crappy.
Of course I dislike Buffy and SG-1 as well, so maybe I am differnet breed od sci-fi freak. FYI, I love Lexx and Farscape, both gone, time to cancel TV service.