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Machine Learning and MP3s
dan moore writes "Students at Caltech and Harvard have developed a system that analyzes playlists and learns people's listening patterns. It then channels its knowledge into generating streams of music that the people themselves would like to listen to. Intuitive, accurate, and finally someone has done it. Check out the website to get one of the available plugins. Another interesting approach to digital music."
Wonder what it'll make of the fact I just load them all up and then select the random play option? :)
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For other programs that do this already, look for RoboDJ or AudioScrobbler. Lots of others exist.
Yet none get the job done right.
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from their download page:
"Who wants Synapse?
Listeners of the MP3. Students. Elevator operators. Makers of other media players. Programmers. Gangsters. Punks. Nerds. Really big nerds. Even ones from Yemen. Yeah, plenty of those. Competitors. Winners. People who exercise to Rocky music. Will Deringer. Audiophiles. Revolutionaries. Even Canadians. Quality people. Gastroenterologists. Bums. Lots of bums. Evil geniuses. Classics professors. Chinese people. Wine connoiseurs. Businessmen. Rabbis. Dew drinkers. Sherpas. Dictators. Professional servants. People with special powers. People who come through in the clutch. You. "
I like them!
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Yes, methinks I would have been very much happier if thier page would have been more informative then just "comming soon" for the XMMS plugin.
:-)
Thiere media player using the technology looks interesting too. I like thier names too
I know my listening habits aren't what I want them to be, per se...my playlist is either the songs I'be pre-assembled onto a mix of some kind, or else entire CDs, half the songs of which I don't care about that much, but I'm too lazy.
I guess it could learn something from my mixes. But overall, this sounds like a much less useful technology than those previous "find out what other people who really like this song listen to" programs...firefly was one I think, way back in the day? Sort of like Amazon's "people who bought this CD also bought..." but on a per-song basis.
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Let's not forget launchcast.com...
Has anybody seen Antitrust?
I remember whenever that joyous time of the month would roll around, my ex-girlfriend would start listening to a lot more typically "chick" songs, right before she actually started menstruating.
I started working on a similar Winamp plugin to kind of give me a heads up, but then I figured I'd just see the used tampons in the trash...
Analysis of past choices is nice... but ultimately it will fail to play what I REALLY want to hear because it doesn't predict moods.
This type of system of past trait analysis has failed before, hasn't it???
Cut 'em some lack! At least they didn't write just a Windows Media Player plugin and they've *thought* about an XMMS plugin.
:)
Of course I'd be much happier with a native Noatun plugin ('cause XMMS is a memory pig), but whatever.
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There is already something like this out there, that uses loads of cool independant and smaller label stuff as well as some massive label stuff..
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Check out Last.FM, they are very good. I've found a load of new artists from there. It is all stream based (128kbps) and they have a massive flash development section starting for open source goodness.
There's also the (all open source) Audioscrobbler project.. see my
RJ
Last.fm - join the social music revolution
We have begun to release a series of plugins that will expand the Brain's functionality to other major media players.
Analysis indicates that I am 99.9% likely to want to see ZhAng Ziyi in a plastic raincoat going down on Jennifer Lopez in ripped SCUBA gear (or the reverse, I'm not picky.) Now, if "the Brain" can FIND such porn for me instead of just making playlists, I might get some use out of it! Teach the damn thing to know when the women are fat and skanky so it won't download lousy porn, and I'll be sold.
Seriously:
There is of course the question of our definition of self, and how it might evolve as computers become more sophisticated. The distinction between the self and the environment, when our nervous systems are physical processes influenced by and dependent on "external" factors, is fundamentally artificial.
When I use a hammer, a tool for doing physical work, it becomes like a part of me.
When I use a computer, a tool for doing intellectual work, should I regard it any differently?
The music I listen to has fundamental impact on my mood, on my posture, on my creativity and critical evaluation of ideas. If I am continuously communicating with my computer regarding my taste in music, and if my computer continuously responds by playing music, it becomes difficult to draw a meaningful distinction between my computer, which is a device, and my self, which does the thinking.
OH GOOD LORD I'M RUNNING WINDOWS XP! GET IT OUT OF MY BRAIN!
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The good and new comes from no quarter where it is looked for, and is always something different from what is expected.
I seem to recall that webcasters weren't allowed to make the services "interactive" a while back. Users weren't permitted to select songs. Obviously this is different, but I wonder just how much a service can "react" to a user's playlist before it crosses the line to letting the user select each song?
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Wow, was I surprised to wake up and find this on the main page of slashdot ;) This program originally written by two classmates senior project at Phillips Exeter Academy last spring. I remember playing around with an early version of it as well as checking out the web page (it hasn't really changed).
It appears as if one year and many cases of beer later, a lot of the kinks have been worked out. This program is great if you use it frequently enough for it to learn your preferences, or if you have a lot of downloaded music with malformed names that need correcting.
I would much rather see it as a plugin because otherwise I miss out on using my favorite software stereo expander and other DSP plugins.
-bcollier06
Another 'cutting edge playlist technology" would certainly be iTunes 'smart playlists.' You can match any number of criteria, including: genre, my rating, play count, artist contains *, and year to make sick and incredibly easy playlists. Oh and live updating, perfect for running a PlayCount: Zero and then having it add new unplayed tracks as you listen. At first I didnt notice it but after tinkering around I now wonder what I ever did before (but then again I get that feeling alot using apple products).
Check it out: http://www.apple.com/itunes/smartplaylists.html
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oops - that particular faq entry refers to synapse, not brain.
Last.FM is great, it starts streaming you music, you skip the songs you dont like, it learns what you like, and your personalised stream gets better and better!
:)
Check 'em out for some great new music from independants and small/medium label stuff
How can someone else except me decide what's good? My moods change, sometimes rapidly as well. And taste is acquired only after sampling... so will this s/w provide some new stuff ocassionally to check my preferences?
I'd rather listen to random music on the radio.. I don't like the idea of someone out there, sitting and monitoring me.... like MS does.
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and finally someone has done it
I guess the softwave I've been using for the past few years came through a time portal!! Music Match has had this feature for a long time.
Personally my listening tastes are based on much more than what type, genre, or style of music. Most songs that make it onto my playlists are because a close friend recommends it, and that song will always (for better or worse) bring out memories of that person.
*That* would be imposibile to substitute with a learning machine.
I also think for a lot of people, they like a song because it's already familiar (they've subconsiously heard it in a store or a few dozen TV ads), and suddenly hit that point where they like that song and actively persue it. Unless the machine learning system were somehow able to track everything the person heard, It couldn't substite this either.
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Is not this the same sort of AI that TiVo uses? That is, looking at what you have done in the past and making future suggestions?
Sorry, I LOVE my TiVo, and give the company a plug every chance I get. Hacked to 198 hours, baby!
WWJD? JWRTFM!
Does their logic system fail (or degrade) gracefully?
My tastes in music are varied wildly, and I often will select a small set of my MP3s based on mood; will this system be able to determine that when I code I like to listen to classical but when playing games, alternative music is the thing? Or will it just play it all at once, unaware of the correlative patterns that would link the timing of music selection -- just mashing everything together into one massive playlist? (Given that nothing, not even time of day, can help determine what I want to hear, I have some serious doubts their system can handle my preferences as well as I do.)
Truly "smart" programs often aren't really; the defining line I draw is how well they handle pathological cases. For example, have your dictation software transcribe the following sentence: "The village yeoman, Hugh, hewed two yews to use in the upcoming archery contest". I'm not guaranteeing it will choke, but it sure won't be pleased with you, despite the grammatical perfection of the sentence. However, any human hearing that will immediately make sense of it. Unsurprisingly, it is the simple algorythms (like naieve Bayesian statistics for spam filtering) that seem to best manage the complexity of real life while still failing gracefully.
Do you like Japanese imports?
Wouldnt we be all upset and things? It sounds like, "hey we know what you are listening to and we'll go analyze that and give you more of the same". Please, humans based in western civiliations have become some of the laziest S.o.b's in the past 50 years, lets at least give us something to do for god's sake.
There is a Nordic string quartet that plays metal songs like Metallica, etc.
http://www.spitfirerecords.com/Apocalyptica.htm
They rock, classically.
WWJD? JWRTFM!
I was thinking something along those lines, as sometimes I want to listen to something different... something I maybe haven't heard in awhile. I have alot of mp3s (which OF COURSE I own the cds to:) with stuff I very infrequently listen to, but can't live without.
It would be cool if this had the ability to play songs I've heard less often when I'm in a more original mood.
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I think the difference here is that it allows the listeners to choose what they want to listen to. As opposed to allowing the RIAA to justify it's promoting 10 artists who fit the 'hit profile' matching yesterday's 'stars'...
Mind you, i haven't been able to get Synapse running on my machine since first hearing about it near the start of the year (under XP, despite emailing the Synapse site for help, and after two reinstalls for non-connected problems) so i'll just stick with Foobar and Winamp 2...
just another attempt at embracing and extending. Let's hope that Milo can save us from this mess!
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This intelligent mp3 playback stuff seems like a really good idea to me; learning algorithms can be astonishingly effective, and even if it only when I hit "next track" halfway through a song it would help. However, I'm still looking for an mp3 player I like. I really like iTunes, but it's not perfect because I only have OSX on my laptop (Linux my desktops, where I want mp3 playback most).
Stuff I like about iTunes:
- The integrated management software, and how if I fancy listening to a particular artist/album, I just type their name in a little box to get realtime filtering
- It doesn't look like ass
- Neato en-mass ID3 tag editing options
- Fantastic visualistaions
- Neat metadata (last played, ratings, etc)
All I really want is a Linux player to do all this too. XMMS is small and neat but the playlist feels like a clumsy management interface after iTunes. GQMpeg seems fiddly, and xtunes is ugly. Can anyone suggest alternatives?Other features I want my mp3 player to have, but which I've never seen done:
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Here's a short version of what I want to hear: "Something that challenges my tastes."
Mostly, I listen to Radio 1190, the CU Boulder station. I'd say that I enjoy about 1 song in 4. I keep listening because I find out about local bands that I'd never hear, I hear indie bands (not just bands running on the "indie" branch of a major label) and I get DJs who love what they do. (here's where I give mad props to Milkman Dan)
What's your spiffy MP3-scanning-neural-network-plugin going to do with me, eh?
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Slashdot lambasted the RIAA device for being the harbinger of even greater FM homogenization and keeping people from hearing new and different music. I this program will do the same thing, but on a personal level and the Slashdot crowd loves it!
I think the aim is to introduce new music to people by seeing what people with similar tastes to you are listening.
You may well be right about the result though, as many people have pointed out the technology needs a lot of work and even then may never be able to take the place of a human ear.
They would probably recommend music by Trans-Siberian Orchestra... specifically the album "Beethoven's Last Night". TSO is a spinout of the metal band Savatage, and they play electrified versions of classical and Christmas music. Check it out!
Ryan
I am not sure about this but there seems to be a certain marketing push behind the project. The description of whos supposed to download it is hilarious. But all the machine learning stuff is hidden behind buzzwords. Why do they not put up a description of the algorithm or at least about its rational. I am involved in machine learning myself and most of my colleagues are extremely careful when using words like "the brain". And there is a usually a strong anticorrelation between the quality of work and the use of such buzzwords.
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It seems that were it to actually look at the actual music that you are listening to and not by reading playlist strings, then it would actually be a better tool.
Using Bayesian classification on the signal that you get (I would assume using FFT and perhaps feeding that through a neural net), you should then bypass any need for user classification at all (as I understand the current system now, it will fail if there are poorly/inaccurately named songs).
That said, this system would still be exposed to similar issues that the other one is (although I suspect from my previous experience with machine learning - the qualms people have of it missing out on a greater reason they choose songs would actually be unfounded, but I'm sure many would disagree with me), and more importantly - it would require far more processing power.
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Now, is that comparison counting the 150MB of KDE libs that have to be loaded just to start Noatun, or not?
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I dont see a use for this software.
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I tried to code one of these once, my system was designed to correlate which songs I typically played in sequence..for instance, if I allowed song A to play, then B, then C, it would also assume that it was ok to play A and then C.. correspondingly, if I once played A, then skipped B when it came on, but allowed C to play after A, then it would also assume that B to C was not a good transition. Seems reasonable, right? the problem is, some days A to B is good..some days it's not.
In the end, I realized the system would never work when I realized that *I* did not know what i wanted to listen to at any particular moment, so how the hell was I going to code a system which could decide?? As a previous poster said, our moods vary too much for this sort of system to work, at least for those of us who are very very picky...(I don't put on "background" music..if i'm playing music, i'm listening to it intently)
I just downloaded this GJay (well, apt-get did) and it is very froody indeed.
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that would be funny to have a website like this saying that your plugin would help them find music that they really like.
and then no matter what they listen to, it just always recommends Kenny Loggins songs.
If I had more free time and didn't already have a backlog of projects that I want to work on, I'd totally do that.
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OK, I'm sure it's a useful program and that they've done a great job, and I'll try it out. But please, couldn't they have just explained it in plain English?
Yahoo!'s Launchcast Music http://launch.yahoo.com/ already allows users to listen to/rate music. Your "personal station"'s music is then catered based on your user ratings of songs you have already heard.
just out of curiosity - remind me why the language that something is programmed in makes it rank higher on the "lameass" scale?
/. that anything MS sucks and anything else is far superior.
I could totally see saying the interface for it sucks, or that it is too slow, or that it won't let you put Hello Kitty skins on it... but I'm currently not getting why the language choice makes it "lameass"
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it is because you really want to run it on linux and it isn't that you have a typical kneejerk reaction like the rest of
personally, unless it is done in Forth, I find all programming to be lameass.
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last.fm might be for you then.
Last.fm - join the social music revolution
You know you're too damn lazy when your computer has to decide what music you like and when to play it for you.
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A scam in which all people involved perceive as beneficial...
I think amazon has a copyright on this :) They've been extrapolating what you'd like based on your purchasing habits (and what other's bought) for years.
I downloaded it, I hope I will never have to use Winamp's random anymore, I think after listening to the same song over and over I gave up and just let it play normal.
I did have the decency of reading their site :)
-bcollier06
ahhhh xmms :D
I am a simple man, with simple needs...and winamp does just fine there. Altho...winamp 3 sucks proc power like crazy...
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So now the RIAA can use this technology to say what you *would* have stolen, and add another fine with a lot of 0s =)
Why is this insightful?
If you don't run Windows, then you're not going to be able to run 100% of Windows software- there's just no way around it with things as they are.
Either suck it up and wait, or don't complain that you have to install Winamp to use a plugin specifically made for Winamp.
I like (and run) Linux as much as the next guy, but making comments like that as soon as software is released causes people to appear incredibly ungrateful. Cut the kids some slack, i'm sure your XMMS plugin will be done soon.
That is, say I have all my music appropriate tagged for artist, year, and music type (say through MusicBrainz or something similar). Maybe each track has it's own classification for those CDs that have 'various artists' or that the artist goes into a number of different styles, or whatever. You also have tracks from some CDs that are meant to be played without a break between them ("Dark Side of the Moon" for example has a couple of tracks like this).
Now, what I'd LIKE to do is to have my mp3 player look at the current song, then using a combination of random factors and some expert knowledge to select the next song to play as to have a nice subtle shift in music tone. Right now, the random feature in most music players could easily put up a grunge track right after a classic track, then into some 60s rock. This is not necessarily wrong, but it's a bit drastic.
I've considered a way to build up a finite state machine of the various musical types as typically defined by the MP3 ID tags, such that each type is a state, and you can only effectively move to very related types in the FSM. (A random factor with possibly some weighting would be used to determine which state to go to: if you are currently at "80s Synthpop", you have a good chance to go to "70s Pop" or "90s Pop" and a slight chance to move to "Electronica", for example). Such a FSM would need a lot of community suggestions, and maybe the end result would require some net-lookup table as to get the current FSM status.
So the program as I see it would look at this FSM, the artist, and other details (again, if there's a song that should follow it, it gets higher weighing), the program generates a weighted list of tracks to go to next, hits the RNG, and pulls out the next track. At which point it repeats itself. Various aspects, such as the weighting on the genre, artist, or play order, could be included. Additionally, the FSM should allow for a "completely unrelated" jump to a different genre that's not necessarily related to the current one, but with some chance as set by the user. Thus, with this program in play, if you have a good select of CD tracks, you can have the playlist progress slowly through genres, thus not having massive mood changes during the playlist, unless you have set it up as such.
I know there are programs that can generated weighted playlists from your input , such as LongPlayer, but this only looks at your ratings, and doesn't try to do anything tricky on the list otherwise.
Mind you, the way current MP3 players work, this would most likely be done by generating a playlist from your current song selection, which you then feed to winamp or whatever. A plugin that does this dynamically would be best, but I don't think a lot of these mp3 players have that type of ability builtin, and instead, you have programs like LongPlayer that call out to WinAmp to only play the song, LPlayer doing the playlist selection.
Does anyone know if such projects exist yet, or is this even something the community would be interested in?
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Now, is that comparison counting the 150MB of KDE libs that have to be loaded just to start Noatun, or not?
... but ...
Yeah, I know this is flamebait
Since I like to work in KDE (after all, the apps I use most are Quanta, KATE, Konqueror and Kmail and Korganizer), no I'm not counting the KDE libs.
If I'm not working in KDE, I use XMMS...on the odd occasion I need the extra memory to compile big stuff or something, I use Blackbox as it is small and fast and XMMS does use less memory compared to loading all those KDE libs just to launch Noatun.
So don't get me wrong, I *like* XMMS. I think it's a cool app. But when I'm working, I like to have a full desktop and I've got plenty of RAM and CPU power to support it. So I use KDE extensively because as a full desktop it is more stable, more mature, and just generally nicer than GNOME.
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I actually did read it. If I use MP3.com, and I do, my example is valid. It's a very dangerous thing to make assumptions.
As for dumbass comment, I provide this constructive criticism. How are we exposed to new music? We have to, at some point, choose a provider, whether it be streaming audio, radio, impulse CD buys, or downloading. Unfortunately, in all those instances, I'm exposed to commercialized music. Hence, I refer to my original comment.
If you choose a different method of finding music, good for you. Choice is what we need.
Seems interesting, but there are problems which I don't see being overcome.
Say you spend most of your time playing Unreal Tournament 2003 with winamp in the background, and so this software learns that you like ripping violent music about 90% of the time.
Then you bring home the aforementioned Chinese girl and you put on some soft guitar music and just and things are becoming interesting, the song ends, and the idiot "Brain" decides a little Rob Zombie is just what you need, based off past experience.
Half the time I don't know myself what I want to listen to...It's too closely linked to my mood to be modeled in a purely statistical manner unless my mood levels out because of some wierdness (i.e. I smoke a lot of pot so I listen to a lot of Grateful Dead, or my significant other dumps me and I listen to really depressing breakup music for a month.) Otherwise, I'm going to be oscillating all day between different types of music, so something which may please me in the morning may get skipped bigtime by the afternoon.
But even THAT isn't reliable; I could be mellow, listening to mellow stuff on Friday morning, then WHAM! Major programming meltdown at a big client! I have to mobilize my tired brain cells with brain crushing rock/metal! A reversal of my otherwise "normal" progression from violent to mellow during the course of the day, which itself is often severly affected by how much I have to deal with my boss.
I don't see how such a thing could be truly accurate unless it has the facility to somehow read my mood. I can think of several ways to do this, but I doubt blush reflex scanners, heart rate/ekg monitors, voice stress monitors, or neural feedback chips are included with the software.
I'm not sure I'd want it to be accurate anyway. Seems like it would be too easy to get lulled into a pattern, with no new input. Kind of stale. Unless it can read a new song and figure out, statistically whether or not I would like it, which sounds more like a Turing test than anything else. Maybe worse; my S.O. can't figure out what the hell I like, so if a computer COULD, well, I'd probably finally be able to write off the opposite sex.
I'm not holding my breath.
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I've done something like this on a network campus, wrote a shared file logger program people used to see what weird songs people liked to listen to.
The funny part is ACTUALLY finding a pattern, and then confronting them with their bizarre tastes. Or, better yet, replace their favorite song with something just really random but leave the name same. Well, what else are you going to do?
I dont run it, I just like it!
I typiclly stream my mp3 to multiple computers in the house.. a client server version of this software would be very usefull.. as to have a central stat list to recall.. of couse a linux version of the server side would be a must
I think i'll pass on this ;)
Synapse is great idea and all but the name calls to mind the movie Antitrust -- which then calls to mind evil Microsoft. I know this was developed under linux and by students at universities, but WHERE IS THE SOURCECODE!?
Honestly, i'd feel safer if this was under peer review rather than just some downloadable exe or linux binary that does who knows what and sends out god knows what to people I dont know.
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At least how I use winamp is I have a HD with all my mp3's organized into folders by musician then by album. I usually just queue up a bunch by right click enqueue to winamp. I don't think I even have any playlists saved since it changes daily.
Yeah, how about the number of times a tune as been played? or the last time?
What I want is to be able to find the stuff I haven't heard recently in my music collection.
You can vote on songs, and skipping a song reduces it's probability of playing again. It will play the song to a sound card or stream it to an IceCast server.
It is a GPLed package that runs on Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP.
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Perhaps we could parcel out the grammer/spelling nazi functions into focused solutions.
Somebody has obviously already taken then/than (which is a known high runner) as their special calling.
So, if you always wanted to be a spelling/grammer nazi, but didn't have time to police ALL of Slashdot, get involved in the new paradigm: focused spelling/grammer nazi activism!
Act fast before the cool ones are taken:
* there/their
* to/too/two
* you/your/you're
and the ever popular:
* it/its/it's
Hurry! Some other spelling/grammer nazi may take your choice!
No, I don't trust in god. He'll have to pay up front, like everybody else.
This sounds like a tool for control freaks to find patterns and reinforce those patterns in themselves over and over. Patterns breed stagnation. This is the whole problem with commercial radio.
I say embrace randomness. That's why I prefer to listen to streams instead of local mp3s anyway. In fact I would like to see a tool which mixed hundreds of streams into a single stream. When a song ended on one stream, it would find another stream where a song was just beginning and switch to it.
Besides, consciousness interacts with random physical systems. How can you be sure you didn't really want to hear that song?
I want to offer the following information about the project. The majority of development effort went into building the Brain. The Synapse player is just something we threw together to get the most from the Brain's functionality. We will probably never port Synapse to other systems since more than enough players already exist. Synapse does work under Wine though. We do have plans to bring the Brain to other systems, and we've begun by writing a plugin for Winamp 2.x, which you can get here. An XMMS plugin is coming soon, and then hopefully there will be one for iTunes in the near future.
And a note about privacy. None of your musical listening data will be available to anyone other than you. We hope to use massive amounts of data to aid in analysis, but your individual data will never be seen by anyone else.
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So show it in your comment. Practically every other sentence on the Synapse site is "we don't use a central databse" or "this only relies on the songs you choose to play" yet you started spouting off about it judging "collective tastes" having it judge from what you download. How else are people supposed to take that?
As to the question of providers, I'm amused that you assume the only way to obtain music is through commercial channels. Unless you mean to claim that all music is by definition commercial, ou need to broaden your horizons.
Unless you have a really small music collection or or willing to spend hours and hours makes hundreds of playlists there just aren't any decent players for linux yet. The only one in recent memory that has half a chance or turning into something decent like someone else pointed out it Rythmbox(although dev has stalled??), maybe the fork will do better.
For now I use Zinf since its the only one which seems to makes an effort to let you organzie your music library in an easy manner. See a screenshot here http://www.zinf.org/images/zinf_mymusic_shot.png
Zinf lets you graphically manages your Artists,Albums, and playlists by default. It still doesn't have everything I want, but its still better than Xmms. Xmms has albumlist but really that not nearly the same thing that Zinf has.
Linux mp3 players are stuck in 1997 and I'd use something like WMP9 in a hearbeat if it were ported to linux. Minimalist, featureless mp3 players are for people with minimal mp3 collections.
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Try saying that sentence to someone over the phone and asking him/her to transcribe it. Read what he/she writes and tell me if you still feel the same. My guess is that a human listener would mangle this pretty badly too.
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Whitepaper here:/ personalization_whitepaper_021106.pdf
http://www.musicmatch.com/info/company/press/docs
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anything written in a language other than assembly just shows laziness on the part of the programmer.
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I downloaded and installed Synapse. Damn thing scanned all my local and network shares for files, giving me no option to manually specify. Since I have lots of drives, this took a good ten minutes.
What's worse, the app stayed on top of all my other apps, smack in the middle of my primary monitor, with no way to move it. So, I had to work on my secondary while it chugged away.
Ok, fine. Told it where the MP3s were, and it imported all the song info. I believe I was allowed to move this window, although I can't totally remember.
Fired it up. Black on dark blue background. Um, tough to read to say the least. Switched to the 'playlist' screen and tried dragging n dropping an m3u playlist into the screen, a la winamp. No dice, wouldn't load.
Ok, can't find any place to manually add files without exploring the little music database it built. Open the database tree and, holy crap, what a piece of shit. I wanted to listen to Linkin Park's Meteora CD, so I scroll waay down to linkin park, and expand the tree. Ugh. Flat file listings, by song name. Crap. Can't find Meteora.
Now, I know that this is kind of a different MP3 player, and I had every intention of RTFMing before really using it, but come on. It should at least be intuitive enough for me to be able to load some songs without having to read the instructions.
I closed Synamps and fired Winamp 3 up. Maybe I'll go back and try it out again, but I'm not as interested as I was when I started.
While using this program, a graph of my cpu's performace is equivalent to about a 9.5 on the Richter scale.
After trying this it seems the thing only picks the songs I have already played and plays them in a slightly more random order than I did.
What I thought/was hoping this thing was is something that picks songs from my 30 GB mp3 collection based on similarity (it does rate song similarity). But all it seems to do is repeat the songs I have already played.
Sindri Traustason.
The Black Jesus algorithm may be swell, but I can't find out because this isn't a very good player. At best, there are annoying pops during playback. At worst, it plays the songs too slow, too fast, or not at all and then immediately crashes to the desktop. Obviously, this renders the Black Jesus function useless. IMHO, unless they are going to put as much work into the player as they did the Brain, they should shelve it and stick to the plug-ins. I'm running Win2k and use MP9, and it sounds better than the other players I've tried. I liked WinAmp 2.x, but I think 3 is a piece.
Imagine this (and RIAA's reaction):
1. User downloads the plugin
2. User spends a couple of hours a day over the next few days listening to music
3. Plugin determines user's tastes and automatically goes out on WinMX or Kaaza to download just about everything the user would ever want to listen to.
Understanding is a three edged sword. - Ambassador Kosh Naranek, Babylon 5
It's lameass because VB promotes terrible programming habits and does not help you to learn a real programming language that is cross-platform or in any remote way efficient. If I were trying to decide what kind of language to have someone learn to program in for the first time, I would choose python. It IS cross-platform, and teaches the programmer about all the various types and classes. Also, its indentation practically forces a person to learn good syntax. Good stuff.
I just downloaded the WinAmp Plugin, and played with it for quite a while, meticulously feeding in long playlists. It does NOT try to find you new music based on what you like. It attempts to give you semi-random playlists, based on the playlists you have used in the past. The elements of that playlist are culled from your mp3 collection, and, more specifically, from the parts of your mp3 collection that you have played since starting up Brain. Also, if you want to give it data faster, note that the way it tells how much of the song played is where in the song the track ended. In other words, if you want to fast-add 400 tracks to it, just play them all and click to the last second of every track. It'll still think you played all of the track, and add it to its records as though you did.
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Why in Gods Name do they need to open up TCP port 8541 to give me control over my own songlists when winamp is sitting there staring me in the face?
.dll in my plugins directory and manually delete it. Only "Black Jesus" knows where else this thing installed itself in my system.
The uninstall did NOT work. I had to find the
I felt SO stupid for spending time on this. "Brain" is either some very bad engineering or it's a latent trojan.
Click on P, click on R, click on I, click on N, click on T, click on F, shift-click on 9...
Am I the only one thinking that the mouse to a programmer is the same as a tricycle to a fish?
It was, after all, a failed (but close) attempt at first post.
Nothing, it's not that type of plugin, if you would have bothered to look at the website/article. :P
Synapse would be fine if it would actually *play* something when you loaded a playlist into it and press play, instead of sitting there, without producing a single sound. Like many others around here, I appreciate your project; it has led me to search for something with similar functionality that actually works, and with my existing media player (wa3), too.
But anyway, thanks for trying.
Video meliora proboque deteriora sequor - Ovidius