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The Return of Chewbacca

BrunoC writes "It's official! Peter Mayhew is going to play everyone's favorite wookie once again: Chewbacca is returning in Episode III, currently in pre-production phase. Peter says (quoted from StarWars.com) "I'm delighted to return as Chewbacca, I think his re-appearance in this film is a fitting way to tie the whole saga together, especially for Wookiee fans." Woa! Just for the records: Artoo and C-3PO will be there too! You can read the official annoucement here, at StarWars.com."

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  1. My God, the spoilers! by Sancho · · Score: 2, Insightful

    WHY can't the editors realize that there are people who don't want these spoilers, even seemingly minor ones like this?
    It's extremely inconsiderate. Presumably they don't want people to stop reading their site, right?

    1. Re:My God, the spoilers! by inertia187 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Spoiler from what? The preview? You're were going to find out sooner or later before the movie.

      A spoiler would be something like, oh say, that Chewbacca is bald in this episode or that he's gay or something. That would be a spoiler...not that there's anything wrong with that.

      If you want a spoiler, how's this - I hear Darth Vader won't be in this episode. How's that for spoiler?

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    2. Re:My God, the spoilers! by Imperial+Tacohead · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not a minor spoiler, either. I mean, I hardly obsess over this sort of thing, but given that Chewey is one of the most beloved characters in all of Star Wars, I really think this would have gone over better as a surprise.

    3. Re:My God, the spoilers! by Sancho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are lots of people intentionally avoiding all information about Star Wars. It's not particularly hard to do for movie trailers and television spots, especially if you don't see that many movies to begin with. The first movie that will have the trailer is always highly publicized and you can avoid it fairly easily. After that, you've had warning and can avoid future trailers. For TV, it's a matter of turning it off while the commercial is on. But when you aren't expecting it and slashdot posts a spoiler as a headline (again), then it's kind of hard to avoid it.
      Sure, it's a relatively minor thing, but the editors have taken a lot of flak over the past year or so over posting spoilers in headlines. You'd think they'd learn, especially with something as big as this that a lot of people are intentionally avoiding.

    4. Re:My God, the spoilers! by DA-MAN · · Score: 5, Funny

      A great many bothans died to get this information across, and you dare to complain?!?!

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    5. Re:My God, the spoilers! by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Given that Lucasfilm itself publicly announced it well in advance (the movie's not even shooting yet, and is a little over two years away from release), it's obviously not meant to be any kind of surprise (which I acknowledge is not the same thing as saying there aren't any fans who would prefer it to be one). There were certainly spoilers floating around for the first two prequels, but none of them came from Lucasfilm itself; they apparently don't consider this any kind of secret, but rather something for fans to look forward to. I'm confident there will be all sorts of interesting surprises (or at least things Lucas intends to be interesting; let's hope...) that Lucasfilm won't say anything about until the film is released.

    6. Re:My God, the spoilers! by descentr · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's a simple solution to your problem. Turn off the Star Wars Prequels topic in your preferences. The creators of this site put that there for a reason. The editiors can't help you if you won't help yourself.

    7. Re:My God, the spoilers! by letxa2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It's the characters that made the first Star Wars movies a hit. The characters in general and, specifically, Harrison Ford. If you take out Harrison Ford from the original movies you get, in all honesty, a pretty dull 6 hours of movies. Try to imagine it--he's really the only one with any charisma or humor whatsoever.

      What's been lacking in Episode I and II isn't so much a really cool plot--the plots of the other 3 weren't that impressive, they were just fun to watch due to how the characters played it out. What's been lacking in the first two Episodes is someone(s) who is/are truly humorous and/or charismatic.

    8. Re:My God, the spoilers! by Carnivorous+Carrot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders: ...and I'm glad of it!

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    9. Re:My God, the spoilers! by dvdeug · · Score: 4, Insightful

      given that Chewey is one of the most beloved characters in all of Star Wars, I really think this would have gone over better as a surprise.

      What are the odds that it would have been a surprise by the time that Star Wars came out?

    10. Re:My God, the spoilers! by voixderaison · · Score: 4, Funny
      There are lots of people intentionally avoiding all information about Star Wars.
      There are even more people desperately trying to forget everything they know about Episode I & Episode II, and still more offering to chip in so Lucas can afford a script writer for Episode III.
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  2. Spoiler? by OctavianMH · · Score: 2, Funny

    Uhhhhh on behalf of the 1.5 million geeks WHO DIDN'T WANT TO KNOW THAT, thanks a bunch!

    Time for a padlock on the mousebutton that hits that 'post' button, mayhap?

    Octavian

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  3. Please by starseeker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let Chewbacca take out Jar-jar! Please? I'd pay money to see that.

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    1. Re:Please by kzinti · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cool idea! Kinda like a 21st-century successor to Bambi Meets Godzilla - but with lots of cool computer-rendered Jar-Jar-frag-guts as Chewie tears him to bits. "Meeza Gonna DIE!"

    2. Re:Please by oconnorcjo · · Score: 3, Funny
      Let Chewbacca take out Jar-jar! Please? I'd pay money to see that.

      Remember Chewbacca and the 3D chess scene... Perfect way to explain how Chewbacca got his reputation as a "bad sport" when lossing.

      If Lucas needs help finding a way to play it out:

      Have Jar-jar try to take a piece using his tounge and Chewbacca yanks that disgusting tounge up and away from the board causing Jar-jar to clumsily stumble forward and slam his face into the table braking his neck.
      I am usually not a big fan of physical (3 stooges) comedy but The harder Jar-jar flails, twist and stumbles before slamming his face into the table, the better it would be. George you can have this idea for free with my pleasure.
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    3. Re:Please by RevAaron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I doubt you are the only one. I can't say I liked Jar-Jar all around, but I'm not ashamed to laugh when something he did was funny. I mean, christ, it sure if fun to jump on the "Jar-Jar suxxxxx" bandwagon, but that is a helluva lot more lame than Jar-Jar himself.

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  4. Great by Captain+Rotundo · · Score: 4, Funny

    And with this Lucas's conversion to the dark side will be complete. Does he really have to shit all over every character from the original trilogy by associating them with the crap he's been making?

    I'd rather see chewbacca appear in a romantic comedy with sandra bullock before the shit that will be Episode III. at least then the plot would most likely make sense to anyone over the age of three.

    1. Re:Great by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your post is marked funny, but it's actually pretty sad. The new movies were written by a completely different author than the guy who wrote the original Star Wars. My guess is that the Earl of Oxford wrote Star Wars, and Lucas is just some hack.

  5. Roar roar argh argh by dupper · · Score: 2, Funny
    Grargh urgh gruurgh Grargh gruugh rarrgh raarugh riaogh..... rouggg

    Isn't transliteration fun?

  6. Chewy by Bearded+Pear+Shaped · · Score: 2, Funny

    In other news they won't be rehiring Harrison Ford!! Because they can't make a Harrison Ford suit!! And because he would have told George Lucas to go **** himself and his Burt Reynolds haircut/scarf around neck under denim shirt!!!

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  7. Remember: by rune2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Always let the wookie win....

  8. Very High Directors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    George Lucas must have been really high to think of Chewbacca. I mean that's where most of these famous directors get all of their good stuff...

    *puff*
    chewbacca
    *puff*
    he's a wookie
    *puff*
    arrr arrr
    that's the sound he makes, write this down

  9. Chewbacca by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    All you filthy, bearded linux zealots really identify with Chewbacca. This has to be very exciting for you.

    1. Re:Chewbacca by Dossy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I always knew Chewbacca was modeled after RMS.

      -- Dossy

  10. Who cares? by Paladeen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At this point I am so disillusioned with the new Star Wars films that I couldn't care less who'll feature in Episode III.

    The last two films have been unspeakably bad and I'm extremely skeptical that the next will be any better.

  11. I can understand... by craenor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People not wanting plot details, but in light of the fact that this has become a "news item" ... and not just on /. either ... do you people whining about the spoiler really think you can get all the way to the movie without finding this out?

    I mean, hello...welcome to the world of computers, posters and trailers...

  12. Re:what spoiler? by beebware · · Score: 2, Funny

    True, how can people really scream "Spoiler" since they already know how the series ends?
    Shock news: Luke is Darth Vader's son!

  13. What a wookie. by iomud · · Score: 4, Funny

    If Chewbacca is a wookie, you must acquit.

  14. Use the force... by Big+Sean+O · · Score: 4, Informative

    Step 1: Go to your preferences page.

    Step 2: Scroll down to the "Star wars Prequels" checkbox.

    Step 3: Check it.

    Step 4: Done.

    Then you won't be bothered with those pesky Star Wars articles that will contain filthy spoilers.

    Oh, you want to know about the Star Wars Prequels, but you just don't want any spoilers?

    Step 1: Stop reading slashdot.

    Step 2: You can't have everything.

    Step 2: Done.

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  15. Shameless Hucksterism by blair1q · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They needed to "tie the series together?"

    They've got Obi-Wan, Anakin, and eventually Leia and Luke to tie the series together.

    They're throwing in Chewie because:

    a) Lucas ran out of ideas a long damn time ago.
    b) Characters from the original trilogy sell better than characters from this one.
    c) Hey. Don't complain. Could have been Ewoks...

  16. Total of people in the Star Wars Universe: 26 by Gary+Yogurt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How does everyone keep running into eachother? This galaxy of Lucas' is pretty tiny. Is Wedge going to run around in Episode III and introduce himself to everyone?

    1. Re:Total of people in the Star Wars Universe: 26 by HeywoodJablomi69 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The implications for it are pretty chilling, if you really get down to think about it as David Brin did in this article. George Lucas seems to think that those 26 people are destined to control the fate of the galaxy, and all us peons, with our "free will", don't matter one whit. Just one more reason why Star Trek kicks the hell out of Star Wars.

    2. Re:Total of people in the Star Wars Universe: 26 by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "How does everyone keep running into eachother? This galaxy of Lucas' is pretty tiny. Is Wedge going to run around in Episode III and introduce himself to everyone? "

      The theory I came up with is that the galaxy in Star Wars is VERY tiny, as "The Galaxy is on Orion's Belt" tiny. Not only does this explain why going from system to system is like going down to the store for a beer, it also explains how the Millineum Falcon can travel around various star systems with it's light-speed drive down.

      The movies make a HELL of a lot more sense with this understanding.

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  17. What about... by fishrokka · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...the rest of Chewie's family? Here's hoping Maula, Itchy, and Lumpy will also be making return appearances.

  18. Lucas to Mayhew by ath0mic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lucas points to casting room:

    "I don't care what you smell... get in there"

  19. Re:In other news by bahamat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're not very smart if you think that you wouldn't see chewbacca in the tv spots 6 months before the movie's release.

    Here's another spoiler for you, Anakin will become Darth Vader and use a red light saber.

    Sorry to spoil the movie for you though.

  20. MOD PARENT UP by Bearded+Pear+Shaped · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's true

    I would know!!

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  21. from what I heard... by newsdee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    c) Hey. Don't complain. Could have been Ewoks...

    The Ewoks were supposed to be Wookies originally. But then some genius thought they would sell more dolls if they were all small and cute and annoying. So there you go, they just had to flip the name... ee-wok... wok-ee... :-)

    With a little bit of mental exercise you can ignore what your eyes see and imagine it's the planet of the Wookies all right.
    Use the force, wook. :-)

    1. Re:from what I heard... by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 5, Informative
      What became the ground battle (the forest part) of the Battle of Endor in Return of the Jedi was part of the early versions of the original story, back when Lucas first began working on "The Star Wars back in the '70s. Though Lucas always wanted to climax his space opera with a multi-tiered ground/space battle between the Imperial forces and rebels who had allied themselves with a low-tech society of hirsute anthropomorphic aliens (originally Wookiees), he was unable to incorporate it into the (first) movie, for lack of various resources, but still wanted to have at least one of his beloved Wookiees, so created the Chewbacca character to be Han's sidekick.

      After the original film was a colossal success and he was able to make sequels and spend more money on them he was finally able to do the forest battle he'd originally wanted, or at least something like it; however, having established (through Chewie) that Wookiees were a technologically adept people comfortable with spaceships and the like, he couldn't use Wookiees for the ground battle - part of the battle's whole reason for being was to have a technologically unsophisticated group of "primitives" overwhelm a technically superior force, and Lucas thought he'd established Wookiees as sufficiently technological that they no longer suited their original purpose. He therefore created Ewoks, who were smaller, but really amounted to the same thing as Wookiees in their original conception. Ewoks became smaller than humans (instead of larger, like Wookiees) mainly for practical considerations - not only would making them larger make them too much like Wookiees, they would also be harder to realize on screen (it's easier to find a lot of performers and stunt people the size of Kenny Baker and Warwick Davis than it is to find ones the size of Peter Mayhew, aside from which dozens or hundreds of small costumes could be made more quickly and cheaply than large ones - yes, it's that simple ;-) ).

      Another take on the idea can be found in the early post-Star Wars novel Splinter of the Mind's Eye, by Alan Dean Foster. Foster had ghostwritten the original Star Wars novelization from Lucas's script, and the novelization was published under Lucas's name; Lucas had discussed some of his then-as-yet unused story concepts for SW with Foster, including the idea of a ground battle between Imperials and an alliance of Rebels with a low-tech alien society. Shortly after the movie opened, when it was clear it was going to be successful but not clear just how successful (that is, not yet certain there would be additional movies), Foster began writing Splinter, incorporating some of Lucas's original ideas (including that one), and it was published in early '78, although by that time preproduction had begun on The Empire Strikes Back (when Foster began the novel, apparently it was intended to be the "official" continuation of the Star Wars storyline. The novel's plot-central Force-amplifying crystal was another idea Lucas had in his early work on the saga, but unlike the battle it hasn't yet made it into a film, at least not in anything like its original form, though the "midi-chlorians" of Episode I may have roots in the same ideas).

  22. Folks please by Kelz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you didn't like the movies don't take this post as an invitation for you to bash it. It seems like every time someone mentions some key word like "star wars" in a NEWS article, the same old damn topics always come up. I myself hated Jar Jar, but overall 1 and 2 were good movies! Lucas's "vision" was to create a precurser to the original star wars series, and he performed the task well imho. Lets keep the talk to Wookies and not weather the movie was good.

    This is not a troll, as trolls are green.

    1. Re:Folks please by glwtta · · Score: 3, Insightful
      but overall 1 and 2 were good movies!

      Dude, have you ever actually seen a good movie? What, exactly, was good about them? The overall story arc, in the broadest of senses, was quite cool (and oddly topical), but for the rest? The laughable plots, the acting worthy of a highschool senior play, the absolute worst dialog to be featured in a mainstream movie for quite some time, special effects that would have been embarassing five years ago, the music, while certainly not bad, was just the same tired old thing that we've come to expect from this type of movie, no sign of originality whatsoever. Oh, I suppose there is really nothing to be said against the camerawork and the editing - bang up job there.

      It's all well and good, as you mentioned, that many individual characters and situations went against our individual good taste, that certainly doesn't make the movies themselves bad. The overall poor quality of the movies is what made them bad, and that is something that personal preference doesn't play into. No my friend, those were most certainly NOT good movies, by any strech of imagination.

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    2. Re:Folks please by L0rdJagged · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, the 'romance' scenes between Anakin and Amidala were so cringingly bad. Romping in a field of flowers, the scene in front of the fireplace...some forbidden romance. Ugh, wish that whole bit had just been left out...

    3. Re:Folks please by oconnorcjo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I myself hated Jar Jar, but overall 1 and 2 were good movies! Lucas's "vision" was to create a precurser to the original star wars series, and he performed the task well imho.

      Actually I thought the movies were far from good.

      Major flaws in movie 1:
      1. Anakans script was DESIGNED for somebody who was at least a teenager. No seven year old has the hots for a girl in the way Ani talked or had the time to build so much hardware or race in as many races as the movie claimed. If Ani was too old to start the training it means that Jedi's were taking babies from mothers breasts (and makes Luke's start seem rediculous).

      2. Kill the whole mediaclorite(?)/Virgin Mary mess.

      3. What is comedy relief doing in a serious space drama? Jar-jar should have been killed from the final cut.


      While movie 1 actually had a pretty good script (that was butchered in execution), movie 2 was just a bad script. There were far better stories that could have been told that would have enriched the Star Wars Universe, but instead, we get a cop story with a twist of romance. Despite the weak plot of movie 2, it was executed much better. It is a shame that the "new Anikan" was not in the first movie.

      What made the first three movies (IV-VI) so wonderfull was that they had good stories that were executed well. Very impressive to do three times in row. In the first three, Lucas was the writer but let Irvin Kershner direct V and Richard Marquand direct VI. I get the impression that Lucas is a better writer than a director/producer. Or maybe his overwhelming control over the final product puts him in a position where no-one can criticize/"provide perspective" to his creative vision anymore. Whatever the reason, the first three films are classics while the stuff made recently is just summer action flicks that would have been forgotten by most if it was not for the name brand (Star Wars) attached to it.
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    4. Re:Folks please by shadowbearer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and the beach overlook scene

      "sand is coarse....blah blah blah but you're smooth blah blah "

      For Bog's sake, Lucas, farm the poetic romance out to someone else.

      Face it, you simply can't write scripts as well as other people.

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    5. Re:Folks please by SpryGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You need to finish fixing Episode II: remove that ludicrous "video game" sequence on Genosis with the droid factory. Ugh. And the Arena scene? Stolen directly from Gladiator, with one of the monsters being a complete rip off of a StarCraft Hydrolisk. Double ugh. And the whole "who ordered the clone army, and why is no one really questioning the jedi's just coming in and taking it over and using it to fight the Count..." is way too murky and unclear.

      You can keep the underwater scene in Ep I if you make just one tiny change: right before Qui Gon says "There's always a bigger fish" when the big monster saves them by eating the smaller monster... have him close his eyes and reach out with the force to attract the bigger fish to their rescue. Suddenly that scene would work a lot better. Ditto for the very end... explain why there's only one federation ship more clearly, and then when the little rug-rat blows the thing up, make him more obviously use the force. The book made it much more clear about what happend, but in the movie it looked like it was nothing more than an 'accident'. Oh, and for Ep I you need to recast the kid... he was horrible.

      More character development for Darth Maul is necessary as well. The only way we know he's evil is that we are told he is, and because he looks so evil. It would have been so much better to have him look more normal, but having him be SHOWN being evil.

      Back to Episode II: show Aniken killing the sand people. They really wimped out on that. And you can't get rid of *all* his whining; you have to show that Luke inherits it :-)

      And in both movies: get rid of the stereotypical ethnic accents and features. The best thing about the original movies were that the aliens were *alien*, and when they spoke, they spoke *alien* tongues (which were eather subtitled, or not, and we just had to infer their meanings). Ep I and II are filled with the worst characatures and stereotypes of middle-eastern/jews, rastafarians, and jackie-chan b-movie cliches imaginable. Totally distracting. And get rid of the references to our culture, like the 'doo-doo' references, and the stupid fake-looking two-headed pod-race announcer that you half-expected to say "SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!" Ugh.

      I agree with all you say, I just don't think you went far enoug :-)

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  23. how stupid by ceswiedler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OK, we have a galaxy (far far away) with at least a few thousand planets. Each planet would presumably have on the order of 1-10 billion inhabitants. So what are the chances that:

    1. a "remote" planet called Tatooine continually becomes vitally important to the fate of the galaxy, time and time again?

    2. The same five to ten characters coincidentally reappear, time and time again? C-3PO was actually made by Anakin and just happened to be on the ship that was attacked near Tatooine and end up on Luke's farm? Now Chewbacca is going to show up, as a "coincidence?"

    I suppose you could make arguments about the 'Force' making these coincidences happen. But you have to admit that's retro-explanations. Everything in Episodes 4-6 indicated that these characters were meeting for the first time, with no prior history. Now Lucas (and Star Wars fanboys) want to convince us that "no, really there's a whole previous story with these characters, which was never alluded to in the 'later' episodes."

    It just goes to show what a crap storyteller Lucas is these days. How he got that way, I don't know. But Star Wars these days is about as well-written as the Daredevil movie.

    1. Re:how stupid by outsider007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      do you even understand the concept of a saga? heroes are larger than life and unlikely things happen. if you can't deal with that you can go watch something else

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    2. Re:how stupid by thelexx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1. The books are not what most people would consider any sort of canon to be drawn from for future movies. Boils down to: % of people who've seen the prior movies (huge) vs. % of people who would have read some random SW 'universe' book (tiny).

      2. "The previous stories connecting characters was alluded to in the original trilogy" -- Please be specific.

      3. Offtopic perhaps, though most of the criticism levelled at the last two movies has been far from unfounded. For me, the root of the matter lies in the fact that while the original movies appealed to me both as a child (SW came out when I was eight) and as an adult, the most recent ones lack the ability to appeal to me as an adult, even with a starting handicap of goodwill from the originals. And I really, really do not think it's just nostalgia that makes me like the originals as an adult and to be able to keep watching them once a year or so, as there are other shows and movies that I'm very nostalgic over yet almost cannot bear to watch at all now. Battlestar Galactica is the prime example. Or how about Knight Rider? Embarrassingly, I do remember actually liking that show when I was a kid. Now it actually induces pain and blackouts! ;) Rant over, just been carrying these thoughts for a while.

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    3. Re:how stupid by bigdavex · · Score: 4, Funny

      C-3PO was actually made by Anakin and just happened to be on the ship that was attacked near Tatooine and end up on Luke's farm? Now Chewbacca is going to show up, as a "coincidence?"

      I think you have a very insightful point here. For me, the galaxy stopped feeling big after Empire. There are lots of examples:
      Why the hell was Lando suddenly a general? Didn't the rebels have a command structure.

      But . . . I think the particular example of the droids showing up at Tatooine has an explanation. Leia is taking the plans to Obi-wan. Obi-wan intentionally lives near Luke.

      The real head-scratcher is why would Luke be on Tatooine. Yeah, his uncle's there, but your step-father's house doesn't seem like the best place to hide someone, given the whole galaxy to choose from.

      Somebody once suggested that Obi-wan and Vader are really in league (against the emperor and Yoda, the latter of which I think is a real stretch.)

      But try this on for size:

      Suppose Obiwan and Vader are really in league against the Emperor in episodes 4-6.

      Consider this --
      • Sometime after episode 2, Obiwan "hides" Luke on Vader's *home planet*. At his step father's house.

      • Vader "intercepts" a rebel ship, and then his daughter and droids leave with the plans to the Death Star.

      • Vader and Obiwan's duel distracts the Storm Troopers, allowing the heroes to escape the Death Star on the Falcon.

      • All of Imperials on the Death Star die except for the super-human pilot Vader, who "crashes" into his wingman, freeing up the shot for his son.

      • In episode 5, Vader shows he's a heartless SOB . . . by choking to death a slew of Imperial officers and sending the Imperial fleet into an astroid
        field.

      • In episode 6, Vader consciously allows the rebels to land on the moon of Endor.

      • On the new Death Star, Vader says a bunch of things to Luke that don't support this hypothesis, so please ignore them.

      • Vader, in the Jedi tradition, throws the emperor down A Really Big Hole.
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    4. Re:how stupid by Nikkos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "So what are the chances that:

      1. a "remote" planet called Tatooine continually becomes vitally important to the fate of the galaxy, time and time again?"

      The idea is that most rebellions and/or anarchists groups are found in remote parts of a country or city (militants in Montana, criminals in seedy warehouse-district bars)

      Look at tatooine - it's not a tourist destination, it's a backwater shithole where people depend on collecting morning dew for water, and have barely enough technology to survive. They use pack-animals for cryin out loud.

      "2. The same five to ten characters coincidentally reappear, time and time again? C-3PO was actually made by Anakin and just happened to be on the ship that was attacked near Tatooine and end up on Luke's farm? Now Chewbacca is going to show up, as a "coincidence?""

      Yep, C-3PO was made by Anakin - most fans knew that by reading the books long before the new series came out.

      As for the droids - they just "happened" to be on a _rebel_ ship heading to tattooine looking for old friend and ally Obi-Wan-Kenobi. Didn't you ever wonder why R2 seemed to know where he was going/what he was doing?

      Regarding Chewy, in the books it mentions that wookies live a long time (hundreds of years I believe) Chewy is a smuggler, remember from the first movie that he and Han had a history on Tattoine. Or, it could be something else.

      Ya also gotta remember that while there are billions of beings, probably only a small percentage have the money/means to travel. (Anakin never would have gotten off the planet without help) that would increase the odds those people meeting eachother.

      I believe the Antilles name was dropped somewhere in the first two prequels, so Wedge doesn't have to introduce himself.

      It doesn't seem to be much of a suprise that the prequel to a movie about Luke, his mentor Obi-Wan, his pair of droids (who are longtime friends), his grotesquely evil father Darth Vader, and a hot princess who's his sister, would be a story about his parents, where the droids came from/how they met, how obi-wan was trained, and how Darth Vader came to be.

      "Everything in Episodes 4-6 indicated that these characters were meeting for the first time, with no prior history"

      Yes and No. I'm sure Chewy and Han didn't know Luke. Though greater (lesser?) fanboys could speculate on and on about Chewy keeping quiet/the force or what not. As for the Droids, they seems familier with eachother right off (to me anyway)

      As for the first two prequels, I agree that they were not as good as hoped. I'm just arguing that the "plausability" (disregarding spaceships, aliens, etc) hasn't been stretched that far.

      Nikkos

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    5. Re:how stupid by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'll agree Lucas certainly isn't the greatest storyteller ever (even at the height of his creative powers, he wasn't the best, though he was good, and lately he's nowhere near his own personal best, unfortunately), but not all of what you mention is actually a problem:

      1. Tatooine is important because the story arc's central overall character(s), Anakin / Vader, comes from there, and hence has many connections there. Anakin's mom Shmi was left there when Qui-Gon freed Anakin and took him away to be trained as a Jedi; some moisture farmer (Cliegg Lars) with a son from some prior relationship (Owen) frees her from Watto and marries her, thus joining the Lars and Skywalker families; when the events of Episode III occur and Anakin becomes Vader, Anakin's kids are taken away and one of them (Luke) is placed in the care of his only relatives (Owen and Beru Lars, his aunt and uncle via Shmi's marriage to Cliegg). Obi-Wan goes into hiding on Tatooine, presumably to keep an eye on promising young Force-sensitive Luke; Leia is separated from her brother to keep their enemies from easily getting both of them at the same time, placed in the care of a respected leader on Alderaan who'll ensure that she's brought up to become the kind of person who'll oppose the disturbing political events of the times (the rise of the Empire). Years later, she's active in the rebellion, and seeks Obi-Wan's help, which takes her ship to Tatooine. She can't get to Obi-Wan, but Artoo and Threepio can; they and Luke seek passage off the planet, hiring a smuggler hanging out in a cantina. Said smuggler has connections to a crime boss on the planet, which is what eventually leads to everybody going back to Tatooine one last time to rescue Han from former employer Jabba. All this proceeds naturally enough; the only really remarkable coincidences here are that a) the sandcrawler which picked up Artoo and Threepio wound up selling them to the family connected to the person they were trying to see, instead of some other random moisture farmers, and b) the crime boss who becomes involved in this story later on happened to preside over the race in which Anakin won his freedom. Since even this second coincidence isn't a big deal (both because Jabba, being one of the most powerful and well-connected people on Tatooine, might naturally be asked to lend his presence to various local civic events there, and because his presence at the race doesn't really affect the story one way or another anyway), it all boils down to Artoo and Threepio being lucky enough to fall into the right hands - and since the resourceful Artoo could reasonably be expected to succeed at his mission to find Obi-Wan even if he'd been sold to someone else, I can buy it.

      2. See above re: Threepio's return to Tatooine; as the property of Anakin, Threepio naturally winds up in the service of the Naboo Royal Family when Anakin marries into it, which (presumably) leads to his service to that of Alderaan when one of Amidala's children, Leia, is placed in that family's care.

      The idea here is that Artoo, Threepio, Anakin / Vader, Amidala, Leia, Obi-Wan, Shmi, Owen, Beru, et al. are already connected to one another in some way by the end of Episode III and/or the beginning of Episode IV. Coincidence only gets really heavy when it starts having other characters with whom they deal with in the prequels, like Jango and Boba Fett, wind up having their own series of connections that branch off in some other direction but then lead back to reconnect them with this core group of heroes a couple decades later. Chewbacca showing up in Episode III is more of that, and I think it's probably too much, but all the stuff concerning Anakin & Padmé, their children, Obi-Wan, the droids, and Tatooine is reasonable.

      The basic plotting is good; the real problem is that Lucas's dialogue and humor are increasingly awful, and he doesn't direct actors well. He also adds to the prequels' shortcomings by tossing in minor narrative elements that revise or add-on to the existing lore in ways that seem to fly in the face of what went before (midi-chlorians, Artoo's sudden ability to fly, etc.) and aren't even needed for the storylines.

    6. Re:how stupid by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Vader and Obiwan's duel distracts the Storm Troopers, allowing the heroes to escape the Death Star on the Falcon.

      not only that, but vader most likely KNEW that if he were to strike Obi Wan down, he'd become part of the Force and become a bigger asset to Luke than a living Obi Wan could ever be.

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  24. Hmm? by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think his re-appearance in this film is a fitting way to tie the whole saga together, especially for Wookiee fans."

    Umm. There's Wookie fans?

    Is this a fetish thing?

    And I thought this was wierd... :-)

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  25. Hey, it could bode *well* for the movie... by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ... after all, given Lucas's dialogue of late, the greater the percentage of characters in a prequel who don't speak English, the better... ;-)

    In seriousness, though, I'm not wild about this; I love Chewie as much as anyone, but to tie him to the storyline at this early point and then just happen to have him intersect with it again in the classic trilogy just pushes coincidence too far, IMO. Characters like Obi-Wan, Anakin / Vader, Luke, Leia, Artoo and Threepio, Yoda, Owen, Beru, etc. who have some connection to the royal houses of Naboo and / or Alderaan and / or the Skywalker family legacy make sense for inclusion in the prequels, but for characters from other circles (Han, Chewie, Lando, Jabba, Boba, etc.) who weren't already established in the originals as being connected to them to suddenly turn out to have some prior connection after all shrinks the Star Wars universe a little too much, I think (but then, that's hardly the biggest problem with the prequels...).

    *sigh* Oh, well. I'll still see it, I'm sure, and I hope it's better than the first two (hey, it's possible, right?), and I similarly hope Chewie's return / "debut" is either handled in a plausible way, or is simply good enough not to object to (or better yet, both). I guess we'll see...

    1. Re:Hey, it could bode *well* for the movie... by rusty0101 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just as a point of note, Jabba was in ep 1. Recall he was in control at the pod races.

      Boba is the son of Jenga, who is the model for all the Storm Trooper clones.

      In other words, the only members of the other circles who haven't been involved are Han and Chewie. Time to bring them in.

      Recall from ep 4, and 6, Obi Wan took the son of Anakin to the one place he was sure that Anakin would never return to.

      It would not surprise me if Chewie turns out to have been a slave to Jaba and Obi Wan, or even Anakin frees him. It would explain his antipathy towards the cuffs in ep 4.

      -Rusty

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    2. Re:Hey, it could bode *well* for the movie... by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Just as a point of note, Jabba was in ep 1. Recall he was in control at the pod races. Boba is the son of Jenga, who is the model for all the Storm Trooper clones.

      I know; that's actually exactly the sort of thing I was talking about. For many years, before Episode I actually got made, one could naturally assume that Obi-Wan, Artoo, Threepio, Yoda, Anakin, Vader, Palpatine, Owen, Beru, (infant) Luke, (infant) Leia, Luke & Leia's mother (whom we now know as Amidala), and the then-unseen Bail Organa (Alderaanian viceroy and Leia's adoptive father; played in Attack of the Clones by Jimmy Smits) were all likely going to be in the prequels, but other characters (such as Han, Chewie, Lando, Jabba, Boba, etc.) were unlikely to be in them, since they had no apparent connection to the Skywalker family prior to Obi-Wan's hiring of Han and Chewie in the cantina. However, the prequels have now revealed prior connections between Chewie, Jabba, and Boba and the Skywalker lineage and its various friends, enemies, mentors, etc., making the encounter in the cantina a bizarre coincidence. That's not to say it couldn't happen, but it does stretch credibility a bit; however, if Episode III is done well enough, I won't mind.

  26. Definition: Pulling a chewbacca by Oopsz · · Score: 2, Funny

    (verb) see: Jump the shark.

  27. Hmm. by D'Arque+Bishop · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmm... this seems to me to be the second time they've used Chewbacca to "spice up" the series, so to speak. The first time was in the book Vector Prime, where Chewbacca became the first/only one of the surviving heroes from Episodes 4-6 to be killed off. Now, they're putting him in Episode III... *shrug*

    I'd ask why, but I already know the answer. Money. *sigh* More and more I'm inclined to agree that Lucas SHOULD have allowed Spielberg to direct Episode III...

    Just my $.02...

  28. Re:Right up there... by usotsuki · · Score: 2, Informative

    Technically, he went over to the Dark Side in Ep. 2 when he slew all those Sandpeople.

    -uso.

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  29. Star Wars is as DEAD as Lucas's creativity by coltrane679 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whatever favorable opinion you may have had of the original series, Lucas is completely creatively bankrupt now, not an unusual development for creative types. Does anyone on the planet think Francis Ford Coppela is still as creative as he was in the 70s (Godfather I & II, The Conversation, Apocalyse Now)? Why is it surprising that Lucas has suffered the same fate? Unfortunately, he has total control over SW and thus has dragged the franchise down with him. Too bad a Peter Jackson could not be entrusted with such a project, but, as his right, Lucas is intent on taking his baby to the grave with him.

  30. Totally inconsistent. by jcsehak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd rather see chewbacca appear in a romantic comedy with sandra bullock

    Well, at least there'd be more chemistry than in Episode II.

    I agree. It was contrived enough that he had Anakin make 3PO, and it just HAPPENED that Boba Fett, the most popular bounty hunter, was chosen to be a model for the clones. Is he even capable of creating new characters? Oh yeah, Darth Maul. He was cool. Except Lucas fleshed out his character like Kate Moss trapped in a 1-dimensional universe.

    And you know, if he wants to maintain some consistency with the first two, he wouldn't use an actor at all for Chewbacca, just some fidgety CGI model.

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    1. Re:Totally inconsistent. by Carnivorous+Carrot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > > It was contrived enough that he had Anakin make 3PO

      I agree, but it seemed obvious that he didn't make him so much as repair him from a bunch of parts of other protocol droids. That, as a child, he "invented" the standard Goldenrod(TM) brand of protocol droid seen all over the place 60 years in the future is ludicrous.

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    2. Re:Totally inconsistent. by mizzy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      What's inconsistent is assuming that Anakin must have *invented* the protocol droid based on the fact that he built one.

      Are we to assume that he invented the rest of the stuff in Watto's shop too?

      Anyway... back to the topic at hand... I hope the movie deals with how Chewie and Han became partners, and that Chewie has to learn how to put together protocol droids so he'll know how to fix 3PO later. BUT WAIT... NO... that would mean...

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  31. Re:Age by rusty0101 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Recall that in Ep 4, Chewbacca is identified as being over 200 years old. 20 years earlier means over 180 years old. I think Meyhew being 30 years older isn't going to make much of a difference. It does not bring him appreciably closer to either age for Chewbacca

    -Rusty

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  32. Re:Big freaking deal by 10Ghz · · Score: 3, Funny
    You remember what Scotty used to say, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me".


    I thought that went something like "Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me twice... You can't get fooled again!"
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  33. Uh... no. by mark-t · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I happen to like what I've seen of Lucas's new SW trilogy from what I've seen so far (I know that puts me in a minority in this company, but I'm okay with that, we are each entitled to our own opinions).

    However, I think that the movies of the post original star-wars era that are most liable to still have people talking about them in 20 years time are the LOTR movies by Peter Jackson.

    But I draw the line at Star Trek vs. Middle Earth debates ("Hah! Gandalf's an Istari! He took down a Balrog, he could take down a Borg Cube if he wanted to!") No.... I really don't wanna go there.

  34. It's a Storytelling Tradition by serutan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't blame Lucas, he's just following in the grand tradition of many storytellers. For example, Shakespeare wrote a number of plays in which characters separated earlier in life are reunited by coincidence.

  35. More than that! by Carnivorous+Carrot · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hear the Ferenghi, Q, and the Borg are going to make an appearance, too, completely spoiling the previous continuity.

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  36. No, Anakin has to kill Jar-Jar by roystgnr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Remember, Lucas is trying to show the conversion of a very promising young Jedi Knight into the right hand man for the forces of evil. What could be the triggering factor that would make a character such as Anakin no longer value sentient life? If taking revenge for his mother's death wasn't enough to push him over the edge for good, what will be?

    It can only be Jar-Jar. That's the death that would really make the audience think. "Wait, is killing Jar-Jar really evil? Perhaps the dark side of the force is more seductive than we imagined!" "Sure, Anakin/Vader is now going to cause the loss of billions of innocent lives and help his vicious master oppress the galaxy for decades... but isn't that a price I would have been just as willing to pay to see Jar-Jar strangled with his own tongue?"

  37. Holiday Special by asn · · Score: 2, Funny

    In efforts to save money, I heard that Lucas is going to resurrect some of the wookie footage from the Holiday Special and cut it into Episode III...

  38. Re:Big freaking deal by bahamat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The classic exmaple is a star destroyer vs. the enterprise.

    And the SD would "win" if they fought at any reasonable range


    Actually, this is not true. Star Destroyers use lasers for weaponry (well, turbo-lasers but lasers nonetheless). May I quote some dialog from the TNG episode The Outrageous Okona:

    Worf: They're locking lasers.
    Riker: Lasers? That won't even penetrate the hull.
    Picard: Well, shields up anyway, we wouldn't want them to think we aren't taking them seriously.

    So a SD with all of it's thousands of lasers might do enough damage to scratch the NCC-1701-D registry right off. The best hope would be simply ramming, either with all those TIEs or just the SD itself, but unless the Enterprise was incapacitated first it would easily move out of the way being a smaller more manuverable ship.

  39. Just curious... by shoptroll · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Woa! Just for the records: Artoo and C-3PO will be there too!" Didn't someone say that the whole series is told by the droids anyways? I mean, that would explain how C-3PO is able to tell the ewoks the story at the end of Return of The Jedi..

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  40. Oh yeah? by Peterus7 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I really wish Lucas would give people what they want...

    Jar Jar's head. On a silver platter. With Ewok sauce on the side.

    No, really, I think George Lucas really needs to learn that he's been getting a pretty bad rap for Episode 1 and Episode 2. His storytelling skills have rusted, and he needs to realize that the magic is gone.

    It was fresh when it came out, but now we're used to big aliens, flashy special effects, and bad acting. He needs to provide the people with something that actually lives to the level of innovating the originals had, instead of being all high and mighty and telling us it's an epic.

    The thing is people know an epic when they see one. You don't need to tell them that it's an epic, because then there's a chance you could get screwed. Instead, imoho, he should revamp his methods, find what works/what the people want, and do it.

    Another sad thing that I think the new ones have really lost was the feeling of the originals. The originals felt like they were made on a small budget and stuff, and the new ones just try to impress you with graphics and Jar Jar.

    *[/rant mode]*

  41. The only reason I'm looking forward to ep III by imadork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    is that we'll get another great soundtrack from John Williams. I can ignore the dialogue and still enjoy the movie, and I'll probably get just as much of the "plot", too!

  42. Re: Ahhhh... by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... now, this is the kind of debate that makes Slashdot Slashdot... ;-)

  43. Thank the Simpsons by bedurndurn · · Score: 3, Funny

    Of course he's beloved; if it weren't for Chewbacca, we never would've heard Ralph say, "I bent my wookie."

  44. New Explanation by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Funny
    Han Solo can't actually understand Wookie. Chewbacca understands english just fine, so he knows what Han is saying to him, but Han is just pretending that he knows what Chewbacca is saying back. So the whole time Chewie is saying things like "Skywalker? I think i met his dad twenty years ago!" and Han just tells him to go fix a stabalizer or something.

    C3PO either can't understand R2-D2, or for some reason chooses not to communicate what he says, so R2-D2 is running around saying things like "Watch out Luke! Vader is your father!" and "Hey Yoda! How's it hangin?" and Threepio doesn't bother to translate them.

    Maybe Threepio is still secretly loyal to Vader and doesn't want to tip Luke off?

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  45. Re:Who cares about Chewbacca? by stud9920 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Except Lucas will probably hire Britney Spears to replay the role for A New Hope Ultra Special Edittion, because his teenage daughter asked him to.

  46. Re:Who cares about Chewbacca? by stud9920 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Also, in the "Greedo shot first" tradition, Chewie will no longer speak with monosylabic screams, but in upper class English.

  47. Jar Jar was a chess player by AttillaTheNun · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now we all know where the anecdote about Wookies' poor sportsmanship originated (ripping arms out of sockets when they lose). In Ep III, Jar Jar will challenge Chewie to a chess match and, stupidly, will embarrass the Wookie. We all know how this ends (and have been looking forward to it since Ep. I).

  48. Well, here's something kinda close... by dfenstrate · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Fur suit sex.


    And you thought you fetish was fucked up.

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  49. One good thing. by Doctor+Funk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In A new Hope, Obi-Wan sets up the Han meeting through Chewbacca. Their having a previous relationship lends merit to that little detail. And, slightly off-topic, but if Lucas keeps bringing back characters, why can't we see the Millenium Falcon in its heyday!? The Falcon is the coolest character in all the movies.

  50. Re:what spoiler? by Small+Hairy+Troll · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you were over 12 when the movie came out, then yes, you are the only one.

    I was 11 at the time. Ah, those were the days.

    However if my son, now 2 years old, ever watches Episodes I & II and actually decides he likes Jar-Jar Binks... well, I'll have to take another look at the will.

  51. If you have thick shaggy fur all over by Julian+Morrison · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...then there really isn't much need for pants.

    Unless you get a boner, I suppose. Then it might be embarrasing.

  52. Re:Some of it does make sense.... by SpryGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But presumably they wanted to *hide* Darth Vader's offspring from him... so why would they "hide" Luke right where Darth would expect to find him? On his home planet, with his relatives (by marriage)?

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  53. Re:When I browse from a net cafe, by Plato@nym.alias.net · · Score: 2
    What's really interesting is how fanboys have expanded the definition of spoiler. A Spoiler used to be something that completely ruins (hence the word "spoil") your enjoyment of a movie. Like, for example, revealing "whodunit" in a traditional murder mystery. Now it means (or so it seems to this non-fanboy) revealing anything you didn't know already.

    I admit to being somewhat baffled by it all. If I were an editor I would have posted this story without even thinking that someone might consider it a spoiler.