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Mozilla 1.4RC2 Released
levell writes "Mozilla 1.4RC2 has been released. It looks like the final version of 1.4 may be out soon. It looks good although there are some problems with java on old linux systems (discussed here). 1.4 will be a long lived branch that some distributors will base versions of their own software on (e.g. Netscape planned release, codenamed "buffy"). 1.4 will be the last version of Mozilla released as a suite, after that the switch to separate browser, e-mail etc. applications will take place."
Ditto that. Also maybe the mail/newsreader apps will get attention if they're split out.
I wouldn't even call the newsreader "mediocre" - "barely adequate for a few uses" is more like it.
The email client is OK but it certainly needs attention.
That accidentally doesn't work with this Mozilla any more... now that AOL's approved of IE and sunk Netscape and abandoned Mozilla (yet?), this is the next in line.
If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
"We do not guarantee that any source code or executable code available from the mozilla.org domain is Year 2000 compliant."
Good thing we're not in the year 2000 anymore. Lucky for those lazy developers...
-Adam
Hopefully the Camino developer(s) will now switch to this branch - from what I can see, the nightlies have been pretty variable quality ever since 0.7, which is when they switched to the trunk from a 1.0-ish branch.
..I just downloaded RC1 last night! Thank God for DSL...
It isn't just old Linux systems that have problems with Java - in fact, Java applets are one of two issues that cause Mozilla to crash. The other is viewing too many images in tabs - even if you close tabs after you've viewed the pics, and try not to keep more than a half-dozen open at once, eventually it will die, and the Netscape Quality Agent pops up...
Interesting that the last great, stable RH is considered too "old" for mozilla...
Or am I just overreacting? I like my 7.3 boxes, dammit.
Don't sweat the petty things. But do pet the sweaty things.
As open source projects, you'd think that Slashcode and Mozilla could meet halfway on this. But, as anyone who's tried to submit a patch to either project knows, they are open in name only. Development of both systems is really closed to outsiders and only insiders (the creators, their friends and people who think exactly the same way that they do) are allowed to submit patches. Witness the recent Taco IRC interview where his response to "when will Slashdot validate at the W3c" was "Whatever. Next."
Unfortunately, the auto makers have decided to sue the Mozilla team for using their trademarked names. The new names are now:
Buffy - Browser
Dawn - Mail Reader
Willow - HTML Editor
Xander - News Reader
Spike - Porn Search Plugin
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
I linked to it in the story but the summary of the java problems on linux is:
You need to use a version of the java plugin that has been compiled with the same version of gcc that mozilla has been, the 1.4 latest branch mozilla build has been compiled with gcc3.2 and therefore you need to use the gcc3.2 plugin that ships in the latest betas of Sun's JRE (and there is also a suitable Blackdown java).
The kicker comes if you run an old linux distribution (e.g. Redhat 7.x), - you don't have the dynamic link libraries required to run gcc 3.2 code as they weren't available when RH7.x was released. Mozilla still runs as it includes all the relevant libraries statically linked inside it - the java plugin doesn't. You therefore either need to recompile Mozilla with an old version of gcc or install the libraries for gcc 3.2.
The release notes could do with a little tidying in order to make what java works where clear to users
.If this isn't fixed in the release version it would hint that Mozilla plan to phase out support for old distributions which would open to the door to things such as nice font rendering (via XFT) in the default builds, or do some other current distributions not come with XFT?
Struggling to find a day everyone can make? WhenShallWe.com
This is probably the most important feature missing from Mozilla for YEARS.
NTLM Support.
From the Release Notes page:
Mozilla on Windows now has support for NTLM authentication. This enables Mozilla to talk to MS web and proxy servers that are configured to use "windows integrated security".
Dolemite
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was not mentioned in the 1.4 RC2 release notes as being fixed. This made the mailer completely useless as one out of 3 emails sent would crash the browser without delivering the email. I had to update to a Mozilla 1.5 beta snapshot to get around this problem. Is there any advantage to downgrading from a 1.5 beta snapshot to 1.4 RC2?
If they are going to drop the "suite" version I sure hope it does. This is the one feature stopping me from using Camino or even Safari. I love how all the newer browsers are supporting tabs now, but there is one feature from the "suite" Mozilla that I use every day but that none of the other browsers has added.
I just love tabbed homepages. The way you can save a tab group as a bookmark and then set that as your homepage. I use this every day; I load up my four most visited sites and just go. For some strange reason it makes a big difference.
"He's more machine now than man, twisted and evil."
I think browser spoofing is a very bad thing. Yes it lets you load your page correctly, but it will never let the "powers that be" know that people use something other than IE.
I have stopped telling safari to use the IE "user agent" because of this. I want people to know that I use something that isn't Microsoft and sooner or later this is going to make a difference. Especially with the fact that M$ has officially dropped their IE for OS X.
I installed rc1 yesterday, no problems. RC2 will not install without having a newer glibc installed. Ugh.
So instead of monolithic systems that try to do everything, this sounds like a swing back in the direction of discrete programs that only do one thing. (And hopefully do it well.)
I very much like the idea of being able to install my web browser of choice without being forced to simultaneously fill my hard drive with "extras" that don't quite do what I want, but can't be removed either. And browsers and office suites are just two places I'd like to see a little less of the "Swiss army knife" approach. (Sure, it's cool, but do you really need a telephone that can take pictures, program your VCR and mow the grass?)
Don't get me wrong, I agree that interoperability is a Good Thing. I just don't want to be forced to take on the clutter of tools I won't use.
Mozilla doesn't have native NTLM support it uses the NTLM support built into windows.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
The next major Mozilla version (1.5) will use Firebird as the browser. Check out the roadmap for more details.
I think developpers have said numerous times on Bugzilla that they didn't want to implement an "user friendly" browser spoofing feature because they believe it would hurt Mozilla in the long run.
The problem is that, if many people were using Mozilla spoofing (let's say) IE6, Mozilla "market share" would appear even lower in statistics than it already is, thus making even harder for Mozilla evangelists to do their job.
Who would want to support a browser that would seem to be used by 0.003% of web surfers ?
At least a crash of Mozilla on Windows doen't require an entire system reboot like another Windows browser that will remain unamed.
It's not the size of your .sig that matters, it's how you use it.
From the release notes (emphasis mine):
Mozilla 1.4 requires Sun J2SE v 1.4.2 Beta to run Java applets
Why would they make a decision to make a browser dependent on an unreleased version of Java? 1.4.1_02 isn't good enough?
You can accomplish anything you set your mind to. The impossible just takes a little longer.
run firebird with -p, and it brings up the profile manager. If you're running windows, set up a shortcut to firebird.exe" -P Username and it should run automagically as that user.
Windows 9x can't use this, neither can Linux or OS X. XP, NT, & 2k are the only supported with this release. still nothing works. as it should, after three years
m.kelley
life is like a freeway, if you don't look you could miss it.
I just love the FUD that flies around here...
Yes if you use a older distro you will have troubles, simply get the sources and compile it... Magically the problem goes away.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Any professional pornographer has a mouse with a middle button so he can middle-click the link to open it in a new tab. Do you realize Control-Click requires both hands?
Netscape planned release, codenamed "buffy"
Buffy the IE slayer...... Hummm doesn't quite work.
Although the 'destroying the undead whose goal it is to reign the earth and bring pain, misery and fear to all' analogy may have some distance to run
:-]
Jaj
woah this might really be a bug, anyone confirm? i had 219 emails that neeeded a filter of if subject contains: [mythtv-users] then move to mythtv (created in that window not in the main one) then ran filter and it choked. then i deleted the mythtv folder said yes to all the stupid questions made a myth folder and then adjusted the filter ... it "moved" all the emails frm the inbox, but they are not in te myth folder, although it says there are 220 there
As a few other folks have pointed out on the usenet, there doesn't seem to be any new IRIX nightlies. While the other platforms have binaries built about once a day, the most recent IRIX nightly is from late May.
Does anyone from the Mozilla project happen to know what the problem is? Is there something that we IRIX users/developers can do to help? If it's a hardware need, I can probably spare an Octane or two to help the Mozilla project.
(e.g. Netscape planned release, codenamed "buffy").
As in "Ready to be canceled"?
I'm sure this Mozilla doesn't have SVG support. However, I was wondering if anyone knew the status of the Adobe SVG Plugin's compatibility with the browser (whether Adobe is developing a new compatible plug-in or Mozilla compensating for Adobe's compatibility problems). My understanding is that Adobe developed the 3.0 plugin before the Mozilla API was frozen, and now it crashes the browser. This is common to Windows and Linux and for Mozilla derivatives as well (Netscape). Neither the Mozilla developers or Adobe seem to be budging. I just want to have some decent SVG support in Linux. Is SVG development something I should avoid?
This post was generated by a Cadre of Uber Monkeys for Monkey-Man2000 (603495).
Next time maybe the guy should make his pages with Front Page. If it really has to work on "non-standard" browsers, about 50k of javascript browser sniffing code and branches produced by Adobe Golive might be just the ticket.
Isn't that a really bad thing? Making the users pay the price for spreading the message of the developers?
It's not about giving you good programs, it's about spreading our message and fame... a Really bad PR move.
Yes, that checkbox in the installer does indeed control whether you get the mailnews component. If you're using a
Do all the "important" surfing actions (Open new tab, bookmark, save image, Open every link and the all important Minimize Window!) with just one hand.
The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
Threaded mail is a handy feature, especially when following multiple discussions on mailing lists. And, though Mozilla supports threading, it just doesn't remember the threaded expansion state.
So, you could turn on threading (View -> Sort By -> Threaded). Then, you'd probably expand the threads (View -> Threads -> Expand All Threads). So far, so good. But, if you switch to another folder and come back to the original one, the threads won't be expanded anymore.
This is bug 64426 and you can vote for it if you like (of course, you'll need a free Bugzilla account to vote). You may need to copy-n-paste the links into your URL bar, as Bugzilla doesn't accept referrerrs from Slashdot.
Alex Bischoff
HTML/CSS coder for hire
For email, try Pegasus Mail. You'll *never* go back to Messenger.
The one bad thing about Pegasus Mail is that it's tied to a
specific platform (Windows), so if you're on another platform
or anticipate moving to another platform you have to settle for
less in the mailreader department. Or you can use Gnus, but it
has a big learning curve.
Usenet is trickier. The only usenet client I've found so far that's
any good whatsoever is Gnus, and it's a long way from perfect. (It
has a huge learning curve, plus some substantial problems in the
offline-reading department, and it's not properly multithreaded.)
You could try Agent; it's arguably better than Messenger, but that's
not saying a great deal.
Regarding Mozilla, the Navigator component is without question
*way* better than the Messenger component. However, with the
split for 1.5, Navigator is being set aside in favour of the
Firebird browser (formerly Phoenix), which while not altogether
bad is not yet up to the level of Navigator, feature-wise. (It
is smaller, though, and so performs better on older systems.)
After 1.4, I don't expect another good solid release until at
least 1.6 for the browser, probably more like 1.7 -- and I don't
expect the Thunderbird project to produce anything that resembles
a usable mail/news reader 2-5 years. Note, however, that I am
using higher standards here than most people do; email is important
to me and I expect a great deal from my mailreader. If you consider
Eudora and Outlook and the current Messenger to all be perfectly
wonderful, then Thunderbird may reach that level a good deal sooner
than the timeframe I'm predicting (say, 1.7 maybe).
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
mozilla.org doesn't have RPMs for this version (or a few versions back, for that matter)... Should I as an RH 9 user just wait for the official release? Obviously there's some way to generate an RPM, but looking around the mozilla.org Unix build instructions web pages doesn't point to instructions. (Searching freshrpms turns up nothing.)
Don't take this personally, but mathematicians and physicists have been able to communicate their ideas for three hundred years without the benefit of MathML. Typography is convenient, but if you're creative, you can find ways around the limitations. And if you're posting on sitessuch as k5, you probably want to keep it simple for the masses anyway.
I put on my robe and wizard hat
J-Dogg> Baby, I been havin a tough night so treat me nice aight?
BritneySpears27> Aight.
J-Dogg> Slip out of those pants baby, yeah.
BritneySpears27> I slip out of my pants, just for you, J-Dogg.
J-Dogg> Oh yeah, aight. Aight, I put on my robe and wizard hat.
BritneySpears27> Oh, I like to play dress up.
J-Dogg> Me too baby.
BritneySpears27> I kiss you softly on your chest.
J-Dogg> I cast Lvl. 3 Eroticism. You turn into a real beautiful woman.
BritneySpears27> Hey...
J-Dogg> I meditate to regain my mana, before casting Lvl. 8 Cock of the Infinite.
BritneySpears27> Funny I still don't see it.
J-Dogg> I spend my mana reserves to cast Mighty Fuk of the Beyondness.
BritneySpears27> You are the worst cyber partner ever. This is ridiculous.
J-Dogg> Don't fuk with me bitch, I'm the mightiest sorcerer of the lands.
J-Dogg> I steal yo soul and cast Lightning Lvl. 1,000,000 Your body explodes into a fine bloody mist, because you are only a Lvl. 2 Druid.
BritneySpears27> Don't ever message me again you piece of shiat.
J-Dogg> Robots are trying to drill my brain but my lightning shield inflicts DOA attack, leaving the robots as flaming piles of metal.
J-Dogg> King Arthur congratulates me for destroying Dr. Robotnik's evil army of Robot Socialist Republics. The cold war ends. Reagan steals my accomplishments and makes like it was cause of him.
J-Dogg> You still there baby? I think it's getting hard now.
J-Dogg> Baby?
*
I'm a Rhino
sexysusan> Thats ok. Ok I'm a japanese schoolgirl, what are you.
J-Dogg> A Rhinocerus. Well, hung like one, thats for sure.
sexysusan> Haha, ok lets go.
sexysusan> I put my hand through your hair, and kiss you on the neck.
J-Dogg> I stomp the ground, and snort, to alert you that you are in my breeding territory.
sexysusan> Haha, ok, you know that turns me on.
sexysusan> I start unbuttoning your shirt.
J-Dogg> Rhinoceruses don't were shirts.
sexysusan> No, your not really a Rhinocerus silly, it's just part of the game.
J-Dogg> Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fuking charge your ass.
sexysusan> Stop, c'mon be serious.
J-Dogg> It doesn't get any more serious than a Rhinocerus about to charge your ass.
J-Dogg> I stomp my feet, the dust stirs around my tough skinned feet.
sexysusan> Thats it.
J-Dogg> Nostrils flaring, I lower my head. My horn, like some phallic symbol of my potent virility, is the last thing you see as skulls collide and mine remains the victor. You are now a bloody red ragdoll suspended in the air on my mighty horn.
J-Dogg> Goddam am I hard now.
*
Britney> Part 2
BritneySpears14> Ok, are you ready?
eminemBNJA> Aight, yeah I'm ready.
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eminemBNJA> huh huh, yeah, I make it for the ladies.
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BritneySpears14> I take off your pants, slowly, and massage your muscular physique.
eminemBNJA> Oh I like that Baby. I put on my robe and wizard hat.
BritneySpears14> What the fuck, I told you not to message me again.
eminemBNJA> Oh shit
BritneySpears14> I swear if you do it one more time I'm gonna report your ISP and say you were sending me kiddie porn you fuck up.
eminemBNJA> Oh shit
eminemBNJA> damn I gotta write down your names or something
*
Mmmmm, Vegtables
J-Dogg> Wanna cyber?
Partner7> Sure, you into vegetables?
J-Dogg> What like gardening an shit?
Partner7> Yeah, something like that.
J-Dogg> Nuthin turns me on more, check this out
J-Dogg> You bend over to harvest your radishes.
(pause)
Partner7> is that it?
J-Dogg> You water your tomato patch.
J-Dogg> Are you ready for my fresh produce?
Partner7> I was thinking of like, sexual acts INVOLVING vegetables... Can you make it a li
I think a better way to view like this would be using Tiled browsing. Have 4 pages simulatneously loaded, and scroll to the "relavant" information at each one, and blammo! "Raised productivity" from being able to view multiple "documents" at once so that you can "deliver your report" to the "executive office."
i use linux and windows oh god how can i have an opinion
My question is simple, and I'm not a netscape user so maybe someone can enlighten me,
But what's the point of Netscape taking the latest mozilla code, as they have done for quite a while now, and creating their own browser? Are there some added features that Mozilla doesn't include? Seems like taking one thing and calling it another, unless there is some compelling reason to use netscape over mozilla.
Thanks!
There are computers in England?
:)
Seriously, though, to answer the original questions: Mozilla is nothing like Netscape 4.7. Early Netscape browsers were some of the biggest crimes against HTML ever seen. Mozilla, on the other hand, is considerably better-written and far more standards compliant. Sometimes too standards compliant for its own good, in fact, since some sites that rely on IE broken features or extensions to work won't give the same results under Mozilla. There are also an irritating few sites that will just refuse to serve pages to anyone not using IE. I figure if they can do without my custom, I can do without their services.
The overall browsing experience in Mozilla (particularly Mozilla Firebird, IMO) is considerably better than that in Internet Explorer in my experience. Plenty of extra (useful) features that IE shows no signs of including, such as tabbed browsing. And it's free - other than the hefty bandwidth charge to download it.
If you can get hold of a copy while you're in England, do so. Hopefully you'll be converted before you go home. Otherwise, put it at the top of your to-download list when you get back home.
++ Say to Elrond "Hello.".
Elrond says "No.". Elrond gives you some lunch.
Just installed it and it loaded in 1-2 secs.. This looks promising..
Not to mention the major burst of insanity that surrounded the removal of MNG/JNG support, two perfectly useful new formats.
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Mind-boggling Bugzilla discussion of this is here - http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19528
--riney
Sometimes when I am fishing I wonder if fish sometimes bite knowing they are going to encounter a hook. Anyway, I get tired of the "give us news, stuff that matters" rants.
There is an awful lot of information out here on the net. It is your job to sift through it all, determine what is of interest to you, and IGNORE THE REST. Along the way, if you feel you have something to contribute, please share.
Really, if this story is of no interest to you, move on to the next one. I think, as I'm sure many other people think, that announcing releases on a site with a high geek population is a good way to recruit quality beta testers who will fill out useful bug reports and help to drive the software development process forward. This means you get your free software faster and with less bugs. It's fine if you don't feel like taking the time to help out yourself, but give us the few tenths of a second it should take you to read the headline and decide to skip the story. Think of it as your way of helping to keep free software moving forward.
If you take the time to click on the headline, scan down to the bottom of the comments, and compose a mini rant about how you didn't feel you needed to know the information the story provides, people might get the impression that you just felt like whining.
It seems a bit hypocritical to rant about wanting stuff that matters within a post that almost everyone will consider noise, not signal.
Have a nice day.
BlackGriffen
I have been trying to keep up with Mozilla developments, and have noticed here that there are still bugs to be resolved that are apparently blockers (or go straight to the bug list). The strange thing is, there was mentioned a possibility of rebranding RC2 as final, according to the recent staff meeting minutes (*1.4*, Point 3).
I find it strange that the Mozilla team is prepared to release 1.4 (which will replace the 1.0.x branch) with previously-declared blocker bugs still floating around.
Ask me about repetitive DNA
that's not the case for 1.4. MNG/JNG has been removed from the trunk (pre-1.5alpha builds), but it is still in 1.4RC2 and will appear in Mozilla 1.4.
Actually the support to use Windows' built-in NTLM function was added in RC1, not RC2. I am currently blissfully using Mozilla 1.4RC1 at work now through the silly Microsoft proxy thanks to this NTLM support. Previously, I was forced to use MSIE since nothing else would work!
Most of those things in the release notes are things that were added in earlier 1.4a/b/rc1 releases. NTLM, overhauled bookmarks, composer dynamic resizing, smooth scrolling and numerous others were in previous release notes too.
As a bugzilla member who's worked on a lot of evangelism bugs, I can tell you that the problem is 99% likely to be bad DHTML on your site. Please post the URL here, or submit it to Bugzilla for investigation.
BTW, the exact symptoms you describe are often seen in HierMenus 4.0, due to non-compliant CSS-P. If your site uses HierMenus, updating to v4.2 or higher will fix the problem.
I emailed tech support and their reply was, "we only support IE in Windows, get partition magic and install windows on your computer."
.haeger
Then do what I do. Refuse to use their service. My bank didn't allow me to use Mozilla on Linux, bye bye bank. I can find someone else to give my money to. My company recently installed a time-reportin tool that requires Windows and IE, I still send my report card to a secretary since I don't have a computer with IE on it, it's either that or they can PAY me to come in in the evening to fill out those damn web-reports in IE, and I guarantee You that I will do this on high pay time.
Don't cave in. All over the world there is one thing people understand. Money. If not supporting Mozilla starts costing them money then they'll have to rethink.
I'm sure I could install windows if they like, provided that they pay for the licese, the computer, my time to install and administer the box. If they want me to run it, they'd better pay me. I don't do boring stuff on my spare time.
You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. -- Harlan Ellison
Say what you want about Bank of America, but their online banking works great with Netscape/Mozilla. I think WAMU works o.k. too. Is there a website out there that lists IE only companies/services? A list like that would definitely bring this problem into the open and possibly shame companies into cross-platform development.
That doesn't mean it's perfect (the news reader could do with better filtering and other things) but frankly I can think of no other client I'd rather use in place of it.
You can download a spellchecker for Mozilla here;
:-).
http://spellchecker.mozdev.org/
It also includes links to non - american english dictionaries, I have been using the UK english one with some builds very happily.
The version for Mozilla 1.4 Beta is already there. I use Mozilla as my only mail client at work and have been using this for over a year without any major problems. If only it could test spelling in input boxes, I could even spell check my slashdot comments
Won't the users pay the price in the long run when corporations see that 99.9% of their website visitors are IE users, and implement future IE-specific features that Microsoft has made sure alternative browsers are unable to implement?
As I see it, this is similar to other forms of discrimination -- people are being forced to look like the majority (in this case, IE users) so that they don't get treated differently.
Am i the only one using mozilla mail? I love the spam filter, and after a few tweaking, i can block most of the crap that comes to my inbox.
I recently tried the email standalone mozilla thunderbird (aka minotaur) and wasnÂt impressed. Lacks multiple accounts, no bayes spam filter and lots of other nice things found on mozilla mail that are simply not there yet on thunderbird.
I hope that they get the thunderbird up to the level of mozilla mail before going thunderbird only.
I love mozilla firebird, and hopefully thunderbird will follow the same path as its browser counterpart.
Maybe Mozilla could allow for site-based spoofing like they offer site-based image blocking and site-based cookie blocking. Then, for those few lowlifes that insist on finding ways to (break|torment|block) Mozilla for no good reason can be made to work, despite their best efforts to the contrary.
That may be contrary to Mozilla's philosophy... but, someone's gotta blink first or the users get caught in the middle.
Sorry, you don't have much of a case there. Your choice of browser is just that, your choice. Government cannot discriminate based on factors that people have no choice about (gender, race) or on factors that are considered beyond criticism (religion). (Private entities should have the right to freedom of association, but I digress.) But on matters of choice, they don't have to cater to your whims. If your choice of transportation mode is a bicycle, sorry, you can't ride it on the freeway, and this is not discrimination against bicycle-riders.
One may be able to make the argument that the government ought to conform to established standards rather than the arbitrary behaviors of any given product, so that any conforming interface would work with it. But this is hardly the same thing as discrimination.
In summary, what you're saying is correct. Validate the code, don't just design an IE-only page. Just don't cry "discrimination" so lightly.
Constitutionally Correct
Agreed. It is not Mozilla's fault that everyone spoofs Mozilla. IE started the evil trend of spoofing. This is just like blaming the victim of identity theft. Mozilla's identity is stolen when you spoof - that is not Mozilla's fault.
It may not even be fair to blame IE (or Opera, or anyone else). After all, MS was just responding to all the web dee-zine-urs who incorporated nonstandard golly-gee-whiz features into their pages and wanted a way to keep others from seeing their broken creations. When IE got up to speed, they needed a way to "get to the good stuff" without waiting for the dee-zine-urs to fix their browser sniffers.
Moral of the story? Designers: stop sniffing. Surfers: stop spoofing. The truth shall set you free.
Constitutionally Correct
So what about the fact they are helping a company violate anti-trust law? A huge portion of M$'s anti-trust violations were due to deliberately making M$ products not work with competing products. It doesn't look good when the US government assists them.
well, if the developers/company thought that they should write to the standard and leave it up to the client to render the standard.. then we wouldn't have this problem of hotmail, msn, whatever using the passed user agent to block access to people using client X. That is the point of this thread, those sites have a history of introducing rendering error into Opera/Mozilla (to name a few) to make it appear that the user is using a sub-standard product (IE renders correctly of course). Guess what, spoofing as IE makes the page render correctly in mozilla or opera..
Mozilla on linux has had on again off again support for telnet:// links
launching an xterm to telnet to hosts or networking equipment.
Bug 33282 at bugzilla.mozilla.org has been open for over three years to track this issue.
Mozilla 1.1 supports it only with protozilla added. Protozilla is no longer under development.
Lots of activity in the bug, but it appears that the coders are too afraid
of getting the security aspects wrong to want to enable this functionality
in linux
Although I've had some coders offer to fix this for me for money, I don't
have the resources to pay for this fix.
Since this feature works on all other platforms and works on linux in the
Netscape 4.x train I'd think this would be a _requirement_ for 1.0.
This feature should be enabled but default to off for those of us that
absolutely have to have telnet:// links working and understand and are
willing to take the security risk.
And, no Mozilla Firebird, doesn't fix this.
Barnaby
Last time I checked, Internet Explorer crashing doesn't cause a system reboot either.
2E69 approx. - A.D. 1,834,652,618,499,343,590,337,415,746,119,712,509, 834,124,421,548,072,260,582,352,567,003,896-01-25 Sat 17:06:08 GMT, UNIX 256-bit signed time_t fails.
, 834,124,421,548,072,260,582,352,567,001,893 more years!
I mean my god! We better get patching! Only *pulls out calculator* 1,834,652,618,499,343,590,337,415,746,119,712,509
Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
Has anyone else noticed that the smooth scrolling [1] doesn't really scroll that smooth? For example, if you do a "pg up" or "pg dn" in a window with general.smoothScroll set to "true" it does a wacky herky-jerky page up/down scroll. weird.
[1] To enable smoot scrolling, enter "about:config" into the location bar, then right click anywhere and choose new -> boolean. Then enter "general.smoothScroll" (exactly) and set it to "true". To disable, set it to "false".
Check out www.crazybrowser.com for a tabbed browser that uses IE to render html. It looks and feels like IE only having tabs. Yay! It's only 600k IIRC.