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Flexible Computers in the Future?

An anonymous reader writes "New Scientist is reporting on Sony bendable input devices. When computers become too small to be operated by buttons, how will we control them? The only option will be to gently bend them, according to engineers at Sony's Interaction Lab in Tokyo." The diagrams make it look like a warped Game Boy. Looks pretty cool, though.

229 comments

  1. Any ideas how this would work in real life? by ObviousGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They've got this really bizarre idea over there, but they don't seem to have a realistic idea of how it would work in real life devices.

    Does anyone have any ideas?

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    1. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by helix400 · · Score: 5, Informative

      RTA. It comes with a neat picture that explains it pretty well. The credit card one on the right seems to be the most practical reason to use bending. While viewing a map, you bend it to scroll left or right, or zoom in or out. Makes sense to me.

    2. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not asking about toy applications like a map. I want to know what you think this could be used for. You, Helix400, what do you think it would be useful for?

    3. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by helix400 · · Score: 2, Funny

      A map.

    4. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ooh, he said your name Helix400! It just got that much more personal. Now you will HAVE to respond!

    5. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks dude, you gave me a good belly laugh.

    6. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by BJH · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's what they said about miniaturization before the Walkman came out.

      Remind me how that one turned out again, will you?

    7. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the point. A map and a game are fine prototypes, but where will the real application of this technology be?

    8. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I've always been a big fan of those pens that come with an image of a pinup girl whose bathing suit disappears when you twist the pen. So, instead of twisting, you bend, right?

      Ok, so maybe not.

    9. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by seasleepy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cool and useful as I think this'd be, I can just see tourists going insane trying to get one to work. (Or even just finding where they are in the first place.) Lost people with no sense of direction + map = Lost people. Lost people with no sense of direction + map the size of a credit card = Lost people with a crumpled piece of "polymer electronics."

    10. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by jrl87 · · Score: 1, Funny

      An Etch-a-Sketch that doesn't have knobs

    11. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by BJH · · Score: 1

      No, the point being it won't take them very long to find a practical application, so what's the point of bitching about how it's not useful?

    12. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by mondoterrifico · · Score: 1

      Oh man, thanx for making coke shoot through my nose.

    13. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by mekkab · · Score: 1

      Coke is supposed to go the other way through your nose. Thats a very expensive lesson you just learned.

      Oh wait, you meant the beverage...

      nevermind.

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    14. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, wouldn't work well with most brains, gently sqeezing it in a futile attempt to seek for more intelligence. Mind-bending at its worst...

    15. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by the_consumer · · Score: 1

      How about as a controller for music synthesizers? Seems like this kind of technology could be very expressive.

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    16. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by thynk · · Score: 1

      I want to know what you think this could be used for.

      Flexible pr0n viewer! I can't think of a better use.

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    17. Re:Any ideas how this would work in real life? by yakovlev · · Score: 1

      What I didn't get from this picture was one simple thing:

      If you can put a touch-sensitive area on the back, why not just have touch-sensitive areas for zoom in and zoom out?

      Something like: Tap behind an area to zoom in on it, drag your finger to scroll, and tap a corner to zoom out would be every bit as effective. No, it's not a button "per se" but a touch screen is WAY more sophisticated than a button, and can emulate one quite reasonably. Adding bend detection is just going to increase manufacturing costs for no significant usability benefit.

      Now, I can think of a few applications where this would be useful (i.e. consider a color or brightness adjustable glowstick) but only on objects that require only one or two independent input variables, not for something so sophisticated that it's already going to have an integrated touchscreen.

  2. possibilities.... by ksp0704 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    what happens if you leave it in your pocket and sit on it and bend it? then where will you end up?

    FP!

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    1. Re:possibilities.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Probably in the wrong city. (the picture in the article refers to a GPS navigator).

    2. Re: possibilities.... by Cochonou · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mhh ? I don't really see in which way the problem would be specific to bending devices. In my pocket, a device is as likely to bend as to be compressed (clicking on its eventual buttons).
      So it is just a matter of having a locking function or not...

    3. Re:possibilities.... by lovemayo · · Score: 1

      Bend it twice to lock it.. just like cellphones :)

    4. Re: possibilities.... by calethix · · Score: 1, Funny

      "So it is just a matter of having a locking function or not..."

      Locking function is simple - bend it until it snaps in half.
      It's the unlocking function I haven't figured out yet.

    5. Re: possibilities.... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > It's the unlocking function I haven't figured out yet.

      hehe :)... Duct tape, duh :)

    6. Re:possibilities.... by nanobug · · Score: 1
      I did exactly that many years ago with a credit card sized (including thickness) calculator. After a few times it didn't work amymore (surprise, surprise).

      But seriously, you only have a very few degrees of freedom with bending. Let's see: bend in, bend out, twist left, twist right ... that's about it.

      A much more practical alternative is touch sensitivity, not just on the front as someone else mentioned, to directly interface with the display, but all over, especially on the edges.

      For example, slide your finger along the side edge to scroll down and up, along the top edge to scroll sideways. Touch the top of the edge for button click, touch twice for double-click, touch the bottom of the edge for right click (and the middle of the edge for those who like three button mice). This is assuming you don't just touch the screen directly for these functions. On a credit card sized device you have at least 14 locations along the edge you can touch alone, although you probably wouldn't want to use all of these (since you have to hold the device somehow).

      That said, these devices will probably only fill a market niche for specialized functions and mini-PDAs, and many people will continue to use larger devices, especially those who want more screen real estate and an actual keyboard and mouse.

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  3. Break easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Bet these will break easy.

    1. Re:Break easy by ocelotbob · · Score: 1

      But these are made cheap enough that breakage is not a major issue. They seem to be a great replacement for paper goods, like maps road maps and travel guides, things that you're not going to be using for more than a few weeks at most in all likelihood.

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  4. or we can just talk to our computers by NeMon'ess · · Score: 3, Insightful

    or if cell phones can guess what I'm saying as I thumb-type words, why do I need to bend the phone?

    1. Re:or we can just talk to our computers by NeMon'ess · · Score: 1

      besides, bending would take two hands right? yeah I'm too lazy to read the article. I figure by the time a computer with any decent complexity is smaller than a 5 or 10-pack of gum, almost all the space will be for the battery, and input will be external, from my voice or from a laptop/kiosk/laser-drawn-keyboard. Possibly all done wirelessly.

    2. Re:or we can just talk to our computers by Bush+Pig · · Score: 1

      Nah - you could do it with one hand if it was really small. Think about holding a credit card with your thumb and forefinger at opposite corners, and your middle finger behind it.

      I want one of these when they get cheap.

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  5. Rejected Advertising Slogan by Cappy+Red · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Get Bent"

    However, if this is ever marketed with that slogan I'll be shocked and disgusted... and then try to weasel some money out of the deal.

    *honk*

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    1. Re:Rejected Advertising Slogan by Lord+Barrabas · · Score: 1

      I think the Rasta's might have 'prior art'

  6. Re:G5's announced by Apple blunder? by kleine18 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    http://users.adelphia.net/~wifi/apple/0.0.7.1.0.5. 21.1.2.1.2.0.0.1.0.html

  7. What's the lifespan? by IICV · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If you take a normal piece of paper and bend it back and forth a few times, you'll find that it starts "remembering" where you bent it.

    Yes, I know they're small piezoelectric particles to generate voltage when compressed, but those can't last forever. The material of the card might start developing a memory if you bend it too much.

    However, this will be kickass if they can make them cheap enough. Imagine: walk up to a vending machine in an airport, buy a little credit-card sized game to occupy you during the flight, and throw it away when the battery runs out. Or have a book on the card - a novel and text output probably won't take up that much memory.

    1. Re:What's the lifespan? by IICV · · Score: 1, Funny

      I would like to apologize for the above badly written piece of excrement. I really shouldn't post when I'm too tired to think straight. But hey, this is Slashdot. It's not like anyone's going to read either of these comments.

    2. Re:What's the lifespan? by akpcep · · Score: 1

      Don't be so hard on yourself, I thought your comments were just great.

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    3. Re:What's the lifespan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, no one will read them. And someone accidentally moderated up your parent post without reading it as well. Yes.

    4. Re:What's the lifespan? by RPI+Geek · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, I know they're small piezoelectric particles to generate voltage when compressed, but those can't last forever.

      You're halfway right.
      When a material is deformed by stretching, compressing, twisting, or bending (which is really a combination of stretching and compressing), there is a region called the elastic region where the material will return to its original size and shape when the force deforming it is released. Beyond the elastic region is the plastic region, where the material will remain deformed. If the material is deformed in such a way that the deformation never reaches the plastic region, the material(with a few exceptions) can be cycled (deformed and returned) infinitely without failing. The amount beyond the elastic region that the material is deformed determines how long the material will last. Think about bending a paper clip or a pencil in your hands.
      There's a whole field of study devoted to understanding this process better, and to make the existing equations fit the real world better.
      Any inaccuracies or typos are because I'm tired and it's late, feel free to correct me if you know what you're talking about.b

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    5. Re:What's the lifespan? by xmda · · Score: 1
      Well, it's a long time since I studied things like this in school, but if I remember correctly, what you describe will only happen if the bend, or force, is greater then the material's blabla-threshhold/limit (I don't know what to replace bla bla with, don't remember. Also, this was in Swedish).

      So, as long as you do not exceed the limit for the particular material you can bend it an unlimited amount of times before it breaks (and THAT is a veeeery long time...), or start to "memorize". Of course, I can be completely wrong here.

    6. Re:What's the lifespan? by quick_dry_3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      does the number of cycles have an effect on the time to failure even if the bending/twisting wouldn't normally cause plastic deformation?

      I'm sure I recall something like this in dealing with the lifetimes of pressure cylinders - the cylinder doesn't show exhibit plastic deformation, but it only has a finite number of cycles (i.e. number of times you can fill it and empty it)

    7. Re:What's the lifespan? by EvilNTUser · · Score: 1

      However, this will be kickass if they can make them cheap enough. Imagine: walk up to a vending machine in an airport, buy a little credit-card sized game to occupy you during the flight, and throw it away when the battery runs out.

      Yeah, just like self-destructing DVDs, disposable cell phones and god knows what are "kickass". I mean, who cares about the environment anyway, right?

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    8. Re:What's the lifespan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, just like self-destructing DVDs, disposable cell phones and god knows what are "kickass". I mean, who cares about the environment anyway, right?

      You dumbfucks act like we're creating matter here. Dipshit. Everything on this planet has been recycled a trillion times. Just because it may take longer than a pitiful human lifespan is irrelevant. It's not like this planet really gives a flying fuck how its elements are arranged. It's going to die eventually, anyhow. Our sun won't last forever. Either we'll move to another planet in an infinite supply of planets or we'll be dead. The universe does not care about your granola and birkenstocks. We're always so worried about future generations...but no one can say for any certainty that those future generations will even be *worth* saving. Look at kids today. I know *I* don't give a shit if the bratty little punks have more landfills than we do. It isn't as if anything on this ball of mud matters from a universal frame of reference. We're all completely insignifigant and if our planet exploded, it wouldn't matter a bit to the rest of the universe. Get some perspective.

    9. Re:What's the lifespan? by arkane1234 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      man, you're just full of rage and resentment against the world and society in general.

      are you a republican?

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    10. Re:What's the lifespan? by hesiod · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      > The universe does not care about your granola and birkenstocks.
      > Get some perspective

      Wow, I bow before your insight (Yes, I'm being mildly sarcastic, but not in an offensive way -- I absolutely agree).

      I could not have said it any better myself :)

    11. Re:What's the lifespan? by Zirnike · · Score: 1
      Yes, it would. It's called fatigue failure.

      Been a while since I did out the equations, but basically, every time you stress an object above it's endurance limit, (aka fatigue limit) which is in its elastic region, you form microfractures. These microfractures propogate every time you stress the material.

      It's fairly easy to figure out the lifespan, from a ballpark figure, anyway. If you test the number of cycles to failure right at the endurance limit, for the most part, if you double the stress, you half the life. (and if you have both types of stress, you have about .75 times the life... I'll skip the details and qualifications, which would require me to check my notes).

      BTW, you can tell how something failed. Grab a paperclip, and bend it back and forth (you might need a pair of pliers to keep the bend at the same point) until it breaks. Examine the end. You will notice 2 different surface types. One that looks shiny and flat, the other that looks dull and bumpy. The dull and bumpy parts (probably one on either side of the clip in the same direction you were bending it) are where the fractures propogated. Once the fractures went far enough, the next time you bent it, you exceeded the yield strength of the material, and you got a brittle yeild failure. Just like if you shatter glass. That's the center, flat section. (here, if you don't want to try for yourself)

      This looks like it might be useful if you're still interested in more detail. As opposed to hating me for actually explaining in this much detail.

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    12. Re:What's the lifespan? by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Flamebait? LOL

      Man, we've got a bunch of far too serious people here :)
      that, my friends, is considered a joke.

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  8. Browser commands? by ruprechtjones · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quarter-bend to the left is "back", quarter-bend to the right is "forward". To close the browser window, just fold and put in your pocket. Rip the display in half to "view source".

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    1. Re:Browser commands? by Soko · · Score: 1, Funny

      .and to e-mail, throw it out the window. Sendmail'll pick it up somehow.

      Soko

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  9. You could fit ... by BillsPetMonkey · · Score: 0

    at least eight buttons on that device - four either side.

    Are they suffering from NASA invention disorder - invent something then find a use for it? If so, they can first find a way to fix my bent MiniDisc player to fix itself.

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    1. Re:You could fit ... by LordHugeMongus · · Score: 1

      Yeah, i don't see why you couldn't put buttons on this thing. If its too small for buttons, its too small to hold on to... having it be flexible so it won't break when you sit down with it in your pocket might be nice, but there's no need to eliminate buttons alltogether just because its possible.

  10. Re:corrected URL by kleine18 · · Score: 0

    want anything wrong with the link

  11. Only option will be to gently bend them??? by sould · · Score: 1, Interesting
    When computers become too small to be operated by buttons, how will we control them? The only option will be to gently bend them, according to engineers at Sony's Interaction


    Nobody considered simple voice recognition?

    1. Re:Only option will be to gently bend them??? by SEWilco · · Score: 1, Funny

      Bender, Computer Operator.

    2. Re:Only option will be to gently bend them??? by achurch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nobody considered simple voice recognition?

      No, they finally realized it would be really, really stupid (and noisy) to have everyone talking to their PDAs.

    3. Re:Only option will be to gently bend them??? by ibsteveog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Voice recognition is nowhere near as capable as a mouse, keyboard, or even 'bending' for something such as gaming. Imagine playing half-life by having to say "strafe left, start shooting, duck, strafe right, stop shooting, reload, walk, stafe left, shoot, run right"... and thats not even aiming.

      The only way voice recognition could handle a situation like that would to have higher level commands (almost like what you'd find in movies) that would make the game play itself, really. I imagine something like "go forward, explore cautiously... (wait wait wait) (see enemy) attack! aggressive! now evade! (enemy dies)"... i mean. Its basically playing itself (and it certainly could at that point). it'd just be a voice activated aimbot.

      Now, about the only thing I think voice recognition is exceptionally good at is dictation of documents...

      For everything else, there's [master]card :-P

    4. Re:Only option will be to gently bend them??? by sould · · Score: 2, Insightful
      No, they finally realized it would be really, really stupid (and noisy) to have everyone talking to their PDAs.


      Or maybe they realised that the current crop of PDAs don't have enough grunt to do Voice recognition.


      You never heard of a throat mic/earphones?

    5. Re:Only option will be to gently bend them??? by achurch · · Score: 1

      You never heard of a throat mic/earphones?

      Well, I have heard of cell phones with sensitive microphones (say, just about any modern model), and yet every day I see (hear) people on trains yelling into them. And even if people knew how to use throat mikes properly, talking is still talking, still annoying, and still going to draw eyes (and ears).

    6. Re:Only option will be to gently bend them??? by Chad+E+Dirks · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "You never heard of a throat mic/earphones?"

      Interesting.

      Actually, I hadn't thought about that. Of course I understand how and why they work, but it hadn't come to mind.

      Just the second link on a Google search produced such a device for "tactical" use, which, it says, is capable of clearly pickup up even a whisper here

      While these are rather expensive, perhaps the price would be significantly lower if mass produced at the rate mobile phones and PDAs are.

      That would be quite nifty.

    7. Re:Only option will be to gently bend them??? by ball-lightning · · Score: 1

      My cell phone has voice recognition. My 486 @ 25mhz had voice recognition, are you saying my 400mhz PocketPC can't?! Regardless, I personally think voice recognition is a bad idea just because it IS way too loud, and I don't always want people to hear what I'm entering into my PDA.

    8. Re:Only option will be to gently bend them??? by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      My cell phone has voice recognition. My 486 @ 25mhz had voice recognition, are you saying my 400mhz PocketPC can't?! Regardless, I personally think voice recognition is a bad idea just because it IS way too loud, and I don't always want people to hear what I'm entering into my PDA.

      Bravo! I can just imagine the idiots we already have yelling confidential information to the whole street...
      I imagine someone browsing to some ecommerce site and sitting on the train screaming 'Visa - 1234 5678 8765 4321' 'expires 01/02' etc.
      Imagine them having to repeat the card number multiple times because the device keeps getting a number wrong...
      Now...I'm sure most of you are saying, 'that'll never happen! no one's that stupid!'
      I heard some guy in a restaurant giving his company's bank account number to someone on his cellular phone. Even if you're not giving out financial info...how about having to say 'open brittney.mpeg' or 'open slashdot.org' out loud!

    9. Re:Only option will be to gently bend them??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GET...HEMMORRHOID...CREAM!!

    10. Re:Only option will be to gently bend them??? by hesiod · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > talking is still talking, still annoying, and still going to draw eyes (and ears). ...which pisses me off. I know how to use a cell phone politely (read: not screaming into it), yet people still give me dirty looks & shit. I speak more softly into a Cell phone than I would if the person was actually in front of me, yet I'm still considered rude. Just goes to prove my point that people will always find a reason to hate you and think they are a bigger person, whether they are justified or not.

  12. Erm by G-funk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When computers become too small to be operated by buttons, how will we control them?

    Here's a thought... when they get that small, small is no longer the issue... spend some time on improving battery life / screen resolution / feature X.

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    1. Re:Erm by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      "Here's a thought... when they get that small, small is no longer the issue... spend some time on improving battery life / screen resolution / feature X."

      Here's another thought...when they get that small...how about making them the optimum dimensions for human usability, and then just keep cramming more and more computing power inside them. Miniaturizing the computer does not HAVE to mean miniaturizing the input device to the point of not being able to use it.

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  13. Re:corrected URL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure...there is a space in it... It's broken for everyone but you.

    Look close....between the .5. & the 21.1.

    http://users.adelphia.net/~wifi/apple/0.0.7.1.0.5. - 21.1.2.1.2.0.0.1.0.html

    You don't do much HTML, do you :)

  14. more ideas by leekwen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    i remember there was a controller for the SNES, Genesis, and i think NES called the turbo touch 360 that used a laser sensor on a flat surface instead of the Dpad, i was thinking maybe an updated version of that which detects a finger covering some light emitting gizmo.

    or how about connectors which can be fused through skin?

    and i've often seen elevator buttons which aren't buttons but solid flat things that seem to only activate when i touch it with my finger (i tried poking one with my keys and it didn't work), i'm not sure how those work but it seems like that could be implemented in a thin device as well.

    bending seems like a decent idea but i'm so used to jamming my finger onto things to make things happen.

    1. Re:more ideas by Meowfaceman · · Score: 1

      Believe me when I tell you that, much like this, the Turbo Touch 360 was an interesting and potentially beneficial idea. In theory. Theory and practice are two very, very different things.

    2. Re:more ideas by cyrax777 · · Score: 1

      I can personly vouch that the Turbo touch 360 was a idea that sounded awsome in the adds but in reality sucked hard. The smallest amount of dust would cause it to act like it was insane. Never could get mine to work like it was supposed to.

    3. Re:more ideas by Dylan+Zimmerman · · Score: 1

      The buttons that aren't really buttons are sort of like laptop trackpads. They use capacitance to detect your finger and then act. They can be fabricated quite thin (see the third generation iPods for an example), but since there is no tactile feedback telling you when the button is pressed, they aren't particularly good for touch-typing keyboards. Also, since there is no physical button to press, it is much easier to accidentally press a few buttons at a time.

      Apple has been using this technology for years. The G4 Cube had a power spot on its case that when touched by a finger would light up and turn the computer on. Their displays did something similar a while ago, but I haven't seen the newer displays, so I don't know if they still do. In fact, touching the power spot on the displays would put your computer to sleep by default. Pretty cool for people who put their computers in inaccessible places.

  15. Re:corrected URL by kleine18 · · Score: 0

    it was a slashdot error.

  16. Not to sound like an environmental maniac, but... by achurch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Imagine: walk up to a vending machine in an airport, buy a little credit-card sized game to occupy you during the flight, and throw it away when the battery runs out.

    And designing things to be thrown away is good practice?

  17. Re:corrected URL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    riiiiiggghhhhttt :)

    slashdot error...I'll remember that.... Slashdot ate my homework!

    Thanks for putting it up, none the less. I need that image for....well....I just do, ok?

  18. Re:corrected URL by kleine18 · · Score: 0

    btw... a web address isnt html

  19. Re:corrected URL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man...no wonder you messed up... Go to your room, now, and don't come out until, say....oh...2005...July!

  20. Design fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Seems to me that flexing the device is more complex & difficult and than using buttons. I think they are barking up the wrong tree with this idea!

    1. Re:Design fault by spike+it · · Score: 1

      I agree. I wonder just how many people are going to bend the device far enough to snap it. Will there be refunds for people who "flex" it too far?

    2. Re:Design fault by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      I agree. I wonder just how many people are going to bend the device far enough to snap it. Will there be refunds for people who "flex" it too far?

      Uh. Do you get a refund if you 'flip' your flip phone all the way over until it touches in the back? Do you get a refund if you jam your stylus through your PDA screen? Do you get a refund for being a complete and total idiot? Of course not.
      Yeesh. 'Hulk bent tiny map too far! Hulk want refund!'

  21. I was wondering when they would come out with that by jrl87 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Finally, I might actually be able to get the all new , redesign, second generation Etch-a-Sketch

  22. Re:corrected URL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is, indeed, a /. error - a very well known one, actually. /. splits any string over a certain length with a space to prevent extra-long lines forcing horizontal scrolling.
    Unfortunately, this corrupts any URL over that length.

    Now shut up, cumbucket.

  23. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am trying to understand what you are saying, but it simply doesn't make sense (despite your little jab about logic and whatnot).

    James was Jesus's brother. This has been documented both in the Bible (which you apparently don't put any stock in) and external sources such as historians from that time. For someone genetically connected to Jesus (the genes on the mother's side), he would have to have been revered and in fact be quite aware of Jesus's teachings as he and his parents were the closest to him during childhood. So when he died (as explained in the epistle of James), he was placed into an ossuary inscribed with his name and his relation to Jesus. This is UNDISPUTED HISTORY. The ossuary had been guarded and handed down from generation to generation and now after 2000 years someone has the audacity to claim that the box is fake?

    I don't doubt that someone is saying this, but I have to wonder what kind of satanic influence is inhabiting the person who would say such a thing.

    And in the final analysis, this wasn't the point of my original post at all. Rather, it was that New Scientist is a suspect rag that posts off the wall articles like the tomb of James article. It is fit for maybe the Weekly World News, but most definitely not anything remotely related to Science.

  24. Swivel it by IdleLay · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder if this device can be made into the form of an office swivel chair. A few receptionist/office admin would get a lot more work done by simply sitting there and swivel and shake.

    1. Re:Swivel it by cyt0plas · · Score: 1

      ...plus, it reduces the amount of money spent on the company health plan...

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  25. cursor control by ThePeices · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Im not sure the idea of moving a cursor by moving your finger on a small touchpad is the most efficient idea, UI wise. It seems too ungainly, and a pain to use. Touchpads are not as good as a mouse, especially a small one. The only easy way to interface is to touch the screen on the front. Though im not sure how one gets around entering text easily...our current ways of using a stylus, moving a cursor, or pressing tiny keyboard buttons just to enter in some words just doesnt cut it. There has to be an easier and more efficient way of doing this.

    1. Re:cursor control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thinkpad eraser-clitoris!!

    2. Re:cursor control by stanmann · · Score: 1

      Well, there is always this Full size keyboard without the space overhead.

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  26. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You assume that the box alluded to in the story is, beyond question, really James' box. Unless the bible can unambiguously designate that one physical object and not any other (e.g., no fakes etc.) - then someone claiming a given box is not James' box has no bearing on whether or not they think that there is or was a James' box (even less a James, a Jesus or a God).

    This, also, is not logical.

  27. Works with mac GUI model not MS (3 button)! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A Touch sensitive pad can work with :click, drag, double tap, tap, and even triple tap, but it cannot understand majically WHICH GODDAMNED finger you are using by using psychic powers.

    That is why the Apple Mac OS (no second mouse button idiocy) , and NeXTStep gui (2nd mouse = 1st button unless custom overridden by user after purchase) are ideal for flexible illuminated placemat computers.

    This was discussed in 1983.

    Apple planned on this over 20 years ago.

    That is whay a gui needs to be finger-order insensitive. The COMPLETE gui.

    The mouse pointer can be drawn offset half an inch above the estimated center point of your finger tip pressure.

    I love Apple. And having a graphical user interface since the Apple Lisa shipped in November 1982 (same month the black and white cassette-drive 64K ram IBM PC shipped for 600 dolalrs at Sears) is a great thing.

    I am glad the Apple GUI won... but I am saddened that linux people cannot unclutter their lives and respect one-button plans on a flexible computer placemat computer of 2010.

    It is perfectly suited for Apple gui model... unlike MS windows, which has a few actions that REQUIRE two buttons and cannot be implemented on a placemat flexicomputer easily.

    1. Re:Works with mac GUI model not MS (3 button)! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It takes no time at all to learn to use the right mouse button, and the expressive power is very convenient for non-trivial apps. It saves mouse motion. We COULD learn to type on two keys with morse code, and would even feel that we had quicker mastery, but even if we got good at it it would be a lot of wasted motion and just plain slower than normal typing for anyone who went ahead and learned to type.

      Two buttons work great on the windows platform as do 104 keys. They don't work on a little flexible computer, but neither does a steering-wheel. Demanding that every OS cater to the capabilities of little flexible computers makes as much sense as demanding that the MacOS serve as an optimald esign for controlling a car. It doesn't. Too bad. That's not what it's there for.

    2. Re:Works with mac GUI model not MS (3 button)! by Little+Brother · · Score: 1

      This brings up another to often brought up issue, the death of desktop computers. How? Eventualy the standalone computer will no longer be a fixture in most homes. When, I don't know, not soon, but possibly within my children's lifetime (if I ever have any). The likly replacement is a large number of smart devices that handle specific tasks (possibly controlled by a primary 'server' like system, or possibly not, but this is irrelavant) even if there is a use for full fledged computers, there will be many more devices with GUI's that arn't just computers. Microwaves, refridgerators, cars, thermostats, all will likly eventualy be GUI driven. (Not saying they SHOULD be, just likly will be). At this point there are two options, a single interface that works the same basic way accross ALL devices (so you don't have to learn a different OS to use a microwave and to use a toaster) or each device could have a custom interface that is best suited for efficient use of that device but will require the user to use it differently than other devices. I think most users would rather have continuity than efficiency, and while I'm not predicting that the Apple Computing company will gain significantly, the design paradime of all devices having an interface that is adaptable for all other devices will. If this means we'll have 3 buttons on tiny devices (cumbersome) or one button on complicated devices (inefficient) I'm not sure, but it WILL have to be considered.

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    3. Re:Works with mac GUI model not MS (3 button)! by prockcore · · Score: 1

      Yeah, great, but where will they put the Command key?

      You can rave about one button mouse all you want, but all Apple really did was move the second mouse button from the mouse to the keyboard.

    4. Re:Works with mac GUI model not MS (3 button)! by AlecC · · Score: 1

      At this point there are two options, a single interface that works the same basic way accross ALL devices (so you don't have to learn a different OS to use a microwave and to use a toaster) or each device could have a custom interface that is best suited for efficient use of that device but will require the user to use it differently than other devices. I think most users would rather have continuity than efficiency,

      Not sure I agree, if all the single devices appear to be single function. I have no problem that my toaster, my car, my razor, my television have very different UIs. They are all matched to function. The fact that behind some of them there is a microprocessor which, for all I know, is running the same OS is irrelevant. If you want to control many devices from the same physical interface, then I agree that a uniform UI is highly desirable. Thus all peices of software which present themselves on the same screen/mouse/keyboard should have the same UI even if the underlying soretware is running on differnet machines. OTOH, specialised controls can be appropriate to function even if they are running on the same hardware.

      The point of the hardware featured in this article is that it is a new input device. I can foreseee an explositon of different input devices, each adapted to function and communicatrion wirelessly with the central computiong resource. Each input device will be essentially a dumb UI capture, which converts button pushes, twists, voice commands, kicks, eye trackers, motion sensors, heart monitors... into action requests, which are sent back to a "headles" computyer system, which actions them, and returns feedback for displays, leds, audio systems, buzzers, actuators of a dozen sorts.

      Basically, the computer "disappears", as you say. It becomes the mere "trivial" glue between specialist input devices and specialist output devices (whare actuators and displays are output devices).

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    5. Re:Works with mac GUI model not MS (3 button)! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true... the Mac Finder and all normal applications avoid using the command key EXCEPT in relationship to commands in menus... which are all obviously accessible by using a mouse (or single finger).

      The command key-click is RARE and not vital and all actions can be done with a single finger usually.

      The entire oses gui on a mac works fine with one single finger.

      MS Windows currently does not offer that and is wholly unsuited for flexible computers of the future unless they redesign their gui to not ***require*** multiple mouse buttons for certain actions.

    6. Re:Works with mac GUI model not MS (3 button)! by zogger · · Score: 1

      in the vast majority of apple apps, all you had to do is to slow click (what I always called it anyway) to bring up the full sub menus. It's right there then, the same stuff you get (more or less) with a two button mouse. I don't recall having much trouble with it, works the same as a regular windows type mouse, just with one button. You can do the key/mouse button combos, but really, not all that necessary.

  28. New puzzle game? by gerddie · · Score: 1

    To me it looks like searching the map will become similar to one of those puzzle maze games - bend too much and you will end up in the middle of nowhere.

  29. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some sort of demon has closed your mind and heart to the true Word of God. I will pray for you (even though intercessionary prayer is not endorsed by the Bible) that you will come to accept Jesus into your heart as your personal Lord and Savior and that the Holy Spirit fill you and bind you and that you come to understand the full nature of the love of the Father.

    Then I can call you my brother in Christ.

    I'm off to pray now.

  30. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by RPI+Geek · · Score: 1

    am trying to understand what you are saying, but it simply doesn't make sense (despite your little jab about logic and whatnot).
    What doesn't make sense about it? I'll try to clarify it for you.
    Feel free to contact me at RowsNSkis@yahoo.com if you really want to talk about it. The slashdot forums are not the place for this discussion.

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  31. Quite long, I suspect by Chad+E+Dirks · · Score: 3, Informative

    This potential problem is what came to my mind immediately as well. However, I do not think it will be as large of a problem as it may at first seem.

    It seems, for example, that even bending the device once will result in *some* retention of that bent shape. This establishes what is minimally the initial lower threshold for registering an intentional 'bend'.

    However, consider even the common household rubber band. Even if stretched to two or three times its originally length repeatedly, while there will be some net increase in its length at rest, that increase will be only a small fraction of the length it may be repeatedly extended to.

    If the flexible portion of this device which is intended to register user input is composed of a similar, though certainly more durable substance, there should be relatively little concern of the device becoming non-functional due to any permanent retention of the extended shape, any time within its useful life.

    It would, I suppose, just be a matter of identifying for that particular substance what threshold value for the registering of user input results in the best balance between registering only intentional bends and the corresponding net percentage retention of the extended or bent shape.

    1. Re:Quite long, I suspect by listen · · Score: 2

      Look up the elastic limit. Materials do not necessarily plasticly deform with any shape change.

  32. Touch-talk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Nobody considered simple voice recognition?"

    Or the chord keyboard.

  33. You are lazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Laziness is a virtue saith Larry Wall, but I'm here to tell you that it is a sin.

    Rather than describing what you'd like to see done with this kind of technology you instead let other people do the thinking for you. Can you possibly be any more uninterested in things?

    Then you go on to claim that there was bitching about "how it's not useful" when in fact there was no bitching at all. The question was, what do YOU think this technology could be used for once it leaves the lab?

    Don't worry, no one will ask for your opinion again. It's clear you don't have any.

    1. Re:You are lazy by BJH · · Score: 0

      That's right. I have no opinion about bendable devices. So?

      Even if I did, I suspect that Sony's engineers aren't trawling /. for brilliant new ideas.

  34. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by headpushslap · · Score: 1

    1) There are actually people who don't believe that Jesus was the messiah

    Yeah, they are called 'Muslims'. There might be a few around. Maybe they are on to something?

    Allah U Ackbar

  35. Bloom County by nacturation · · Score: 5, Funny

    "When computer get too small for buttons..."

    Reminds me of a Bloom County comic strip where Milo & gang go to the new 3000 theatre mega-cinema or whatever it was called. An announcement comes over the P.A. system: "Due to our recent expansion to 3000 screens, our screen size has shrunk so small it's no longer visible. Please exit to the side."

    Unless the device has a different practical use than displaying information (such as playing MP3s or whatever) you're not really going to want something so tiny it's physically unusable. There's something to be said for real buttons that you can press and get positive tactile feedback.

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  36. Pocket Mayhem? by revcorrupt · · Score: 1

    It would be really interesting when people decided to put one of these things in there pocket without turning it off. Every time they set down, it could be executing a program and running amuck. I guess it would be no worse than forgetting to lock your cell phone key pad and accidentally dialing 911 on it. :-/

    1. Re:Pocket Mayhem? by EvilNTUser · · Score: 1

      Actually, depending on your phone, dialing 911 will override the keylock. Try it. (just don't press call)

      I almost accidentally called 112 once (same thing), but thankfully noticed it in time.

      I guess it's a necessary safety feature for those times when you're too hurt to disable the keylock, but I wonder how many false calls are made due to it.

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    2. Re:Pocket Mayhem? by WalterDGeranios · · Score: 1
      It would be really interesting when people decided to put one of these things in there pocket without turning it off. Every time they set down, it could be executing a program and running amuck.

      Don't worry; turning it off is very simple. Merely straighten the Gummi device, thus ending all input. To activate it again, bend any part of the card.

    3. Re:Pocket Mayhem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Don't worry; turning it off is very simple. Merely straighten the Gummi device, thus ending all input. To activate it again, bend any part of the card.

      Ummm...wouldn't it just turn back on again when you're dumbass sat back on it and bent it? I think that's what the parent was trying to convey.

  37. Video Link (karmaless) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  38. A prototype demonstration ... by gerddie · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... in quicktime format (mplayer can do this) movie can be found here

  39. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some sort of demon has given you brain damage.

    Too bad you couldn't have worked in a mention of how great MacOS was, too.

  40. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get thee behind me Satan!

    A public forum is exactly the place to have these discussions (though -1 is not). Are you afraid of the power of Christ will compel you to renounce your sins and turn your back on your old life and embrace the New Life?

    Are you afraid of this happening in the open? Perhaps God has not called to your heart yet. But bless and thank God, today I am for him his messenger to you. Jesus died for you, to pay with his blood for your sins.

    James glorified his Brother's name during his life, and in his death the forces of darkness are attempting to turn him into a liar. Don't side with the Darkness, my brother. Share the Light and Glory of Jesus with me.

  41. bender the robot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... has nothing to do with my comment, but I was thinking about how it would be nice to have softer, more organic bendable devices to stuff in my pockets, this thought came specifically after I pulled my new motorola T720 out of my pocket and discovered the anteanna had gone impotent on me... permanently.

    I'm all for some more flexible devices, but the flexibility controlling them?, would there be the equivalent of a "hold" switch or keyguard to prevent you from accidentaly hacking the CIA by doing jazzercise (assuming these gain wireless capabilities) or maybe just accidently creating a bunch of new To Do list items simply stating "......." (I get that a lot with my palm pilot with a broken off cover, also because of pocket stuffing)

    Or should I just stop whining and don a Batmanesque belt presenting all my devices within my reach and within women's views so as to entice them to <sarcasm> pursue that "Batmanesque stud" </sarcasm>

    Hey, bite my shiny metal ass!

  42. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the other 50% of the world (you know, the ones who generally don't think religious wars are okay)?

  43. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people don't think it is all right to masturbate in public.

    Let alone in other people's faces.

  44. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Despite his ability to create beautiful things from the dirt, Steve isn't quite God. God is so much more powerful and beautiful and wonderful in His infinite capacity to love than anything we could comprehend. To Him I give my life.

    Lord, I am your jar of clay. Fill me with Your Spirit that I may quench the fires of Hell which burn all around this Creation that You made with Your slightest Word.

  45. Re:corrected URL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, that certainly explains why it didn't happen to me, when I posted the identical URL, now doesn't it.

    Nice try, brown-nose, but you're one potato shy of being able to patty cake with the other moron in this thread :)

  46. Re:Screw flexible computers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Understanding sarcasm isn't your strong suit is it?

  47. God was my co-pilot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but then we crashed into the mountains and I had to eat him =)
    -Some guy that writes bumper stickers

  48. you can write on your watch by 73939133 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This seems like a solution in search of a problem. Using Jot (or other character-at-a-time input methos), you can write on something as small as a watch face.

  49. Touchable by phorm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If they can make a device "bendable" why not just "touchable". No large protruding buttons, but maybe something to sense impact, body heat or electrostatic impulses. My touchpad on my laptop didn't seem to have a large controller chip, if they could microsize that perhaps we could have touchpad-cards?

  50. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YHBT

  51. So, it has a touchpad already... by CrazyWingman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, if the device has a touchpad already, why not just have the user tap the touchpad to do things like mouse clicks? Is it just in order to have more than one button? If so, I really don't see the reason. If the devices are designed to be "cheap" and have a limited life, as most of these posts have been guessing, what application could there be for it that would need more than one button? Games? I would think you could just tap in different areas of the touchpad.

    Although, I do remember when Nintendo first came out, and watching many people play, it was apparent that the thought that pressing harder or twisting the controller would make Mario jump higher or move faster. Maybe this is a product of that ideal.

  52. lo.9 by Disevidence · · Score: 0, Troll

    h6jmnumy7numnuy7numy7lo.9/p0/p0/p0/p0/p0/p0/p0/p0/ p0/p0/p0/p0/p0/p0/p0

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    1. Re:lo.9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't try to bend your keyboard if it's not bendable.

  53. Dumb concept by digiZen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think those design people missed out something in their college careers. They missed out learning the principle of diminishing returns.

    Being small only gets you so far, and just because you can make it smaller doesn't mean that you should. For example, take your average ball-point pen. Most pens you can buy in a store are about the same size - a good fit for an average hand. Yet, I've seen a few "toy" pens here and there - I remember there was a teeny pen on a swiss army knife I owned. That thing was completely useless. You could attempt to write with it, but your hands cramped up almost instantly. That's probably the reason you don't see a lot of swiss army knives with pens as attachments nowdays. I'm sure there are ways of making a new "interface" for a miniature ball-point pen - for example, if you had nothing to do, you could probably attach it to a thimble and have a half-decent pen. The point is, that people don't do it. There is a thing as TOO small.

    I think handheld computers too are getting to their natural sizes with the Palm (and PocketPC) form factors. If you get too much smaller, you start squinting at the screen and there's the whole issue of diminishing utility again. Input into the thing becomes just one of your (many) issues. I had a teensy cell phone for example, and I was in constant fear of losing it in the cushions of my couch. I actually upgraded to a larger phone with more features and a longer battery life - because the size of the previous phone was a nuisance rather than a benefit.

    1. Re:Dumb concept by mlush · · Score: 1
      I think handheld computers too are getting to their natural sizes with the Palm (and PocketPC) form factors.

      I could see a niche for credit card sized handheld using the bending interface. The thing would be pretty much all screen (black and white using some sort of epaper techonolgy) and in the smallest set up would be a read only device for storing diary contacts, maps, documentation, and allow some internet browsing. The (optional) wireless keyboard would be two credit cards wide and fold in half to fit the users wallet along with the screen and would also provide extra datastorage.

    2. Re:Dumb concept by Long+Duk+Dong · · Score: 1
      I remember there was a teeny pen on a swiss army knife I owned. That thing was completely useless. You could attempt to write with it, but your hands cramped up almost instantly. That's probably the reason you don't see a lot of swiss army knives with pens as attachments nowdays.

      I understand your point, but that is a bad example. The pen in the Swiss Army Knife wasn't meant for everyday usage. You use it when you need a pen but forgot one, such as at the ATM making a deposit. The pen is still apart of many different Swiss Army Knife models. For a good reason too, you never know when you might need a pen even if it is a crappy one.

  54. Practicality and Affordability by deunan_k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are two powerhouses in the PDA industry, Pocket PC and Palm.. Sorry guys, Zaurus IMO is still a non-mainstream. Firstly I'm not gonna talk about a specific PDA or specific brand, rather PDA in general.

    In general, most people use PDAs for the address book function, and majority of these people uses the Appointment/Calendar function too. Some would also use the notes function too, but seldom. Anything extra, rest assured you can call yourself a power user. I know this for a fact because I used to work in a retail shop selling PDAs

    Let's look at features that most users want..

    Handy - Small, slim stylish design that you can keep in your shirt pockets. Not something the size of a brick, and weighs like one!

    Battery - You want something that can last at least for a few days without charging the battery (One Pocket PC brand got it right finally, by having removable batteries)

    Affordability - Most Tom, Dick and Harries don't need the bells and whistles and the extra gadgets like cameras, bluetooth, Wi-Fi, modems, large external storage. Something reasonable is probably the order of the day. All those extras costs money, house-wives don't need most of 'em in order to keep track of their grocery shopping list do they.. So are students, secretaries and bosses, normal users and joes like me ;-P

    Most of those who bought brick-like units are usually either power users (who knows what they want) or those who got too much money and wanna show off. I call these PDAs - Show-Off Units.

    Sony bendable handhelds, well, Look and see.. Price-wise, if they're out of reach, most joes won't use it. Battery-wise, too short, they're not Palm-Tops nor Pocket PCs, rather Desktop PDAs, since they're perpetually connected to their charger unit. If it is too bulky, hell no, I'm not gonna use it, cuz it won't stay in my pocket. I don't wanna look like a fully packed Llama

    In the end, I (and most joe user) want something convenient to use to get day to day tasks done

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  55. Re:Not to sound like an environmental maniac, but. by muzzmac · · Score: 4, Funny

    And designing things to be thrown away is good practice?

    You keep your used toilet paper? ;-)

  56. Man, those Japanese know how to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...make the biggest God damn minature shit you've ever seen.

  57. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is completely retarded. Why did this get modded up, its so completely and absolutly off-topic its insane. This should have been modded as such.

    And for the record, I don't do religion, but completely respect people that do. I was raised muslim, have since passed on it and am now dating a jewish girl.

    I'm posting anon because my post is ALSO offtopic and NEEDS TO BE MODDED DOWN

  58. Great idea if you're not Joe Cocker by nzyank · · Score: 1, Funny

    I can just imagine Joe Cocker unwinding on one of these after a concert. I'd give the thing two minutes in his hands.

  59. Re:Not to sound like an environmental maniac, but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And designing things to be thrown away is good practice?

    Yes, with enough of an american type of mind.

  60. Extremely unlikely... by httpamphibio.us · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As long as we have to physically interact with electronic devices with some part of our body there will always be buttons, switches, knobs, dials, etc. I think we are much more likely to see digital versions of these types of interface devices becoming widely adopted. Space is certainly a premium, but with any physical object you always have a back side, for example my dad was recently in Holland and his business partner over there drives a car that has the radio controls on the back side of the stearing wheel, exactly where your fingers rest when you drive.

    Not to mention forcing the general public to learn a new way to interface, which we all know is difficult, but these devices are going to have to be extremely well made to withstand all the abuse. With the rapidly dropping quality of consumer-level products I'd be quite wary of purchasing something that by it's very nature would have to go through all that.

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    1. Re:Extremely unlikely... by MrResistor · · Score: 1

      I was thinking along those lines, too.

      It comes down to this: why do we still use a keyboard today? It's not like keyboards are going away, far from it; they're actually getting bigger. Well, more buttons anyway, if not actually increasing in dimension.

      I don't think the human interface part of the computer as it is today is going to go away, or even get much smaller, anytime soon, there just won't be so much space devoted to everything else.

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    2. Re:Extremely unlikely... by httpamphibio.us · · Score: 1

      I think human interaction with computers going to roughly maintain it's current size and form until it's possible to internalize the computer.

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    3. Re:Extremely unlikely... by MrResistor · · Score: 1

      I'd say that's a fair assesment. Everyone seems to be so excited about voice control, but I'm not. I don't particularly like talking to people, I certainly don't want to talk to a machine. Never mind the associated loss of privacy, and the increase of noise pollution, especially in modern office environments (open or cube-farm).

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  61. Stop it All !!! by da5idnetlimit.com · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The tactile screen will also let you "feel" images on a website. Touch a heart-shaped icon, say, and the vibrating strips simulate a pulsing heartbeat"

    Well, now you have your answer...

    P R 0 n !

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  62. Re:Not to sound like an environmental maniac, but. by Tharsis · · Score: 1

    And designing things to be thrown away is good practice?
    Yes, it is, because then people at least make the effort of making it recyclable.

  63. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are you smoking? It always makes me puke when I see what I'm assuming is an otherwise intelligent human being who has deluded themselves into following Jewish mythology.

    Maybe I should tell you about the Great Banana. You see, the Great Banana created everything here. The universe, stars, and this planet and all life on it. As proof of this, the Great Banana put bananas in the tropics for us to discover. This is UNDISPUTED HISTORY. You can visit and see for yourself the banana stalks growing upwards. What more proof do you need? You can see all the creation, you can touch everything around you. The Great Banana created all of this so that you would know Him. Renounce your evil ways and follow the Great Banana right now!

  64. Re:Not to sound like an environmental maniac, but. by the+bluebrain · · Score: 1
      • And designing [games] to be thrown away is good practice?

      You keep your used toilet paper? ;-)
    Do you play games *that* badly? ;-)
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  65. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While you're praying for me, FUCK THE HOLY SPIRIT. I hereby formally blaspheme the holy spirit who can fucking kiss my little shitty asshole. GO TO FUCKING HELL YOU WORTHLESS PILE OF FESTERING DOG VOMIT, HOLY SPIRIT!

    I fuck your pitiful holy spirit and shit on its head.

    Now that your bible says that I'm going to hell for all eternity with no chance of forgiveness ever (unpardonable sin and all that) how about you mythology cult worshippers just leave me the fuck alone? Take your sappy Jesus bullshit and cram it in your empty skull. I'm sure you'll babble on about demon possession and all that crap... go right ahead if it turns you on.

  66. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus is my lord too! Suck on it, Jesus! Bend over Jesus. My Lord loves it in the ass as I pound his skinny behind into his skull.

  67. Wallet apps by Elanor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is cool. The tourist map thing is fairly obvious, but you could have a range of different cards in your wallet, that you could swap with relatives/mates etc. The book idea is good, magazines & newspapers on card would also work. Go to the counter in the newsagents and get your choice of reading material uploaded. Etcha-sketch not far off the mark, it could be a sketchpad for your use (probs need some kind of stylus tho, extra parts == bad). Games are always good. You could have a photo album one, put it in the place in your wallet where you keep pics of your loved ones, and it could cycle through - a new pic everytime you open your wallet.

  68. Re:Not to sound like an environmental maniac, but. by DeadWizdom · · Score: 1

    Apperently capitalism likes it... Just ask Mr. Gillete.

  69. When computers become too small to be operated... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...they're too small!

  70. the perfect way by tshuma · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was wondering too much about it.. it happend years before.. but now.. I still think this is the only perfect way:
    Have one litle headphone-micro in your ear. And one retina projectors (in your glasses or your heat, or whatever position). So you can see everything what is important, and you can controll with your eyes and your voice.
    To call a friend just say "phone" "call" "joe"
    and the call is on the way..
    or if you want to know where you are, just say "map" "locate" and you will see front of you the map, and your locatinon.. and so on..
    this technic is not the future.. it is working nowdays, just not included together.. yet..

    I belive, this will be the modern mobile computers future..
    or any one know a better one? :)

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  71. Limitations by Der+Krazy+Kraut · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't the whole thing kinda... limited? I mean, how many ways can you bend something? And even their example application looks like it would be much easier to just add 2 small buttons.

  72. Flexible Input Device In Action by HardcoreGamer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Early this year, I saw some fairly sophisticated interaction using a flexible input device called ShapeTape, made by Canada's Measurand. While the company is marketing it as a motion-capture and 3D modeling technology, Tovi Grossman at the University of Toronto's Dynamic Graphics Project has been working under Ravin Balakrishnan to explore other applications for ShapeTape, including as a general input device. For example, you can use it in computer-assisted design or animation to make and perform some fairly complex 3D curves and manipulations in far less time than it would take with keyboards, mice or drawing tablets.

    The Association of Computing Machinery's computer-human interaction publication CHI Letters' latest edition includes their paper on the use of ShapeTape (2 MB PDF), which was presented at the ACM CHI 2003 conference on human factors in computing systems along with MPEG demonstration videos. (3 min. basic - 15 MB | 15 min. complete - 190 MB)

    Grossman's Web page includes links to other videos and previous papers.

    Computer graphics and animation tool-maker Alias|Wavefront also has several videos that featured former chief scientist Bill Buxton demonstrating ShapeTape in use:

    And, of course, ShapeTape maker Measurand also has further information and videos.

    1. Re:Flexible Input Device In Action by 73939133 · · Score: 1
      The Measurand itself looks useful for its intended purposes. But a lot of the "research" in HCI reminds me of the old tune...


      You can pull all the stops out, till they call the cops out
      Grind your behind till you're banned
      But you gotta get a gimmick if you wanna get a hand.
      You can sacrifice your sacro, workin' in the backrow
      Bump in a dump till you're dead
      Kid you gotta get a gimmick if you wanna get ahead.
    2. Re:Flexible Input Device In Action by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      You know....this sounds like the solution to a problem I encountered while theorizing about large flexible displays on walls and the distortion that would occur.

      Say you have wallpaper eventually made out of flexible screens. You want a nice display filling your wall of an underwater scene. Well, if your wall curves or has corners etc, there will be distortion when the monitor is placed over that spot.

      Well, you simply put this crap on the border of the flexible screen, send the data back to a computer where it inputs a virtual model of the positioning of the wallpaper, and BAM, the software can take distortion of curvature/corners of walls into account and make it so that even if its on a right angle corner, it would still appear as if you were just looking through glass into a giant aquarium.

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  73. I read about this... by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

    ...in a science fiction story more than 20 years ago. Unfortunately, I forget the author - anybody else remember that one?

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  74. Fabric keyboard by pacc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you want a large keyboard but don't want to carry around bigger things than your PDA there are fabric keyboards that double as a wrapper case.

  75. Old by isorox · · Score: 2, Funny

    I used to think FlexATX was a flexable motherboard...

  76. The Horizon? by Ace905 · · Score: 2, Funny

    What happens when machines become our hands?

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    1. Re:The Horizon? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      "What happens when machines become our hands?"

      Porn sites suddenly get a UI upgrade.

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  77. Nintendo Power Glove ...flex resistive ... by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Reminds of the variable resistive nintendo power glove .

    Flex resistors that change resistance based on how much
    they were flexed , an old idea with a new twist .

    Not sure what the spatial sensors were though ...

    Ex-MislTech

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  78. Namco's NegCon by henele · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lower tech than most of the solutions popping up, but Namco did release the twisty NegCon controller, which in the future could be part of the time line of this field of devices...

  79. Re:Not to sound like an environmental maniac, but. by warrior_on_the_edge_ · · Score: 1

    And designing things to be thrown away is good practice?

    Works for boomerangs

  80. Painting Yourself Into A Corner? by istartedi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When cars become too small to drive, the only option will be to gently bend them. :)

    That's how ridiculous this business of changing the ergonomics to conform to the implementation sounds.

    If I had a Pentium-IV equivalent system the size of a quarter that could be powered by a watch battery, you know what I'd do with it? I'd build it into a full-sized IBM keyboard. Or, for more mobility, how about one of those portable Palm keyboards?

    I certainly have no desire to bend anything just because the guts are small. Also, if these things are expensive I don't want them to be too small anyway. Too easy to lose.

    When computers become too small to operate, the only option will be to gently bend them, and throw them into the garbage.

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  81. Small Small Small by dj015 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    am i the only person who prefers big? :|

    all these damm things are getting smaller and some mobile phones i cant see the screen anymore they need to be bigger not smaller

    1. Re:Small Small Small by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does the input device have to shrink just because the computer shrinks? The computer will just be a little chip that plugs into in a slot on the keyboard.

    2. Re:Small Small Small by calethix · · Score: 1

      " am i the only person who prefers big?"

      I hear the ladies prefer big too

    3. Re:Small Small Small by stanmann · · Score: 1

      You mean we'll go back to using a C64 or a PET? Or even a Atari 400/800??

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    4. Re:Small Small Small by Dave2+Wickham · · Score: 1

      Size doesn't matter :|

      Obvious gag out of the way, I agree. Things are getting too small.

  82. *Simple* Voice Recognition?? by DeadVulcan · · Score: 2

    That's like one of those simple NP-complete problems.

    :-)

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  83. I thought I was the only one.... by chenGOD · · Score: 1

    I too have always just held the mouse button down a little longer on the old hockey puck. Brings up the same sort of menu as right-button on windows. I was always confused when Windows fanboys (why are Windows fanatics called fanboys and mac fanatics called zealots?) said "One button mice suck, you can't do anything with them".

    OTOH, learning to use 2 buttons on my mouse took me about..oh I dunno, 10 seconds? Both systems work well, I woud agree that in a space limited environment like this "Gummi", the Mac system seems to be better suited.

    Any bets on Sony coming up with a proprietary system (cough memory stick cough)?

  84. Re:Not to sound like an environmental maniac, but. by The+Impossible · · Score: 1

    And designing things to be thrown away is good practice?

    You keep your used toilet paper? ;-)


    No, but do you read yours?
    Toilet paper is designed to be thrown away because it's main purpose is to clean you and then be thrown away.

    A game is designed to be played and then be played again and when you run out of batteries, replace them. When they have a solution which enables things to be recycled in such a way that the remaining garbage is the same as for a battery (or pref. less) then you can start to design stuff to be thrown away after it's emptied.

    I hope it's not going to be a habbit to throw things away just because it's easier for the lazy ones. (or cheaper to produce a new item to be thrown away...)

    On the other hand, just bought a dispensible car. (it'll just end up on the scrapyard a few months later)

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  85. prior art by mr. Bean by bramez · · Score: 1

    "My flexible friend" (putting butter on his sandwich using his creditcard)

  86. Why did they name it that? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    I'm Gummi, dammit!

  87. @ the Univ. of California, Berkeley... by Anti+Frozt · · Score: 1

    ...they've been working on a different approach specifically with PDAs. The technique uses spacial orientation for scrolling and zooming to give a peephole view of a larger picture.

    Here's a link to the main researcher's website incluiding papers, videos and posters.

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  88. limp devices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sony bendable input devices.

    Haven't they heard of viagra?

  89. Don't you see?! by WalterDGeranios · · Score: 1

    This is just another step down the slippery slope. Someday the computers will be controlling us!

  90. Carpal Tunnel by lune+tns · · Score: 1

    It seems like a design like this would contribute MORE to the problem of CTS. The repeated "commands" would all involve twisting the wrists, wouldn't they? ...and can you imagine the the increase in CTS when the adult entertainment industry gets their hand (no pun intended) on these?

  91. Futuresight: Piezoelectric tutorials by gringer · · Score: 1

    After realising that its customers didn't know what bending function went with what computer function, Sony has decided to include a tutorial. Instead of the cheap, easy method of displaying pictures on the screen, they have used artifical muscles to bend the necessary bits of the computer.

    In order to provide a more useful function, the mini computers have a screen-saver mode that can optionally bend the computer when it is not busy. Sony innovators figured that strange movements in people's pockets have either become accepted, or been ignored completely in the past.

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    1. Re:Futuresight: Piezoelectric tutorials by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but if I feel a strange movement in my pocket the first instinct is to get that thing out of there! :)

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  92. Idea goes back to 1950 by xleeko · · Score: 1

    Actually, flexing a device as input was mentioned in CM Kornbluth's "The Little Black Bag", which was first published in July 1950.

    The bag in question was full of futuristic, computer controlled medical tools, one of which was a reference card that could be cycled through many pages of text simply by flexing it.

    Great story ...

    1. Re:Idea goes back to 1950 by maxwells_deamon · · Score: 1

      You are probably not going to belive this but I had not read your post when I made mine. Could not rememeber when it was published so I had to google for a while and also looked to see if I could find the text to link to.

      Oh, well

    2. Re:Idea goes back to 1950 by xleeko · · Score: 1
      Yea, I had to do a little googling too for the publication date. That was really a golden time for science fiction short stories with neat ideas.

      I grew up devouring the various Del Rey collections of short stories from that era (including those of Lester Del Rey :-) and they hold a special place in my heart. There are still authors doing short stories, but it's a much tougher way to pay the bills, so you don't see the same range of ideas. Mostly today you get one big idea == one novel.

  93. HP Itsy by The+Pi-Guy · · Score: 1

    If you think this is cool, you should also check out the HP Itsy. You interact with said device by holding it at different angles, and hitting one button. Yes, you can play Doom like that :)

    ~pi

  94. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Youre wrong - check your comparative religion. Muslims believe in Jesus.

    Jews say Jesus was a heretic.

    Who declared James' ossuary is a fake even though respected arcaheologists and scientists around the world who have studied it say its authentic?

    Oh, yeah, Israel's antiquities council. Gee, I never saw that coming.

  95. Bendable eh? by CuervoM5 · · Score: 1

    Great. now they're gonna have that creepy shaven kid from the matrix bending their products with his thoughts.

    just when you thought the intel jingle was getting annoying they bring this out. oy.

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  96. One word... by jcorgan · · Score: 1
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  97. Prior Art by maxwells_deamon · · Score: 1

    "The Little Black Bag" By Kornbluth, Cyril M. (1950)

    The basic plot deals with a doctors black bag which is sent back in time. The tools and medicines are all so advanced that anyone can use them. Inside the bag is an instuction book. It is a credit card size piece of plastic which has printed info on both sides and you change the printing by flexing the card.

    (I may be wrong on the details as I do not have the story with me at the moment) It is a very good story.

  98. I used to do this... by CodeHog · · Score: 1

    to troubleshoot broken motherboards. I worked in a manufacturing environment working on IBM portable 386 computers. We'd get in a batch of returned mobos and have to repair them. In troubleshooting, we'd bend the board to try and get it fail. The more things change...

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  99. onion, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know that this is a serious article, but c'mon, doesn't anyone else feel the need to check the validity of this story? an item that is extremely small yet powerful, whose greatest use comes from physical manipulation, and is called a "rubber"???????

  100. Claims of Fakery AREN'T Proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The simple fact that a piece of evidence was proven to be a fake"

    BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT! WRONG!

    Nobody has PROVEN it to be fake. The Jewish Antiquities Authority CLAIMS it is a fake, but reputable scientists like the Royal Ontario Museum's say it is AUTHENTIC because the inscription was cleaned to make it more legible, not recently carved as those denying it claim.

    "However, the head curator of an exhibition of the ossuary at Toronto's Royal Ontario Museum earlier this year disagrees with the committee's report. "At the moment our position [based on] our own examination suggests the inscription and box are authentic, Dr. Ed Keall told globeandmail.com.

    Dr. Keall said in his opinion, the inscription itself looked to have been cleaned, accounting for the removal of the patina. He said he was convinced there were enough varieties in the level and depth of the inscription that would be impossible for a forger to reproduce."

    "Andre Lemaire, a French specialist in ancient scripts at the Sorbonne in Paris, dated the ossuary based on an examination of writing and laboratory tests, and was backed by the Geological Survey of Israel."

    Looks like the right hand isn't reading from the same script as the left hand. Fascinating how most of the people outside of Israel who examined the box say it is authentic, and the Israelis are the only ones who say it is fake.

  101. software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of course it will only truly be flexible with flexible software...

  102. bend-like-the-reed dept? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    whatever happened to the there-is-no-spoon dept????

  103. For all of you men out there... by manduwok · · Score: 1

    Gummi has all the important features, albeit in crude versions...

    Which means that Gummi has all of the porn you will ever need...

  104. Blade Runner? by bingo_tailspin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does this remind anyone else of that picture browser in Blade Runner?

  105. Re:Not to sound like an environmental maniac, but. by Sdrawcab · · Score: 1

    I am a Wisconsinite, and I despise how wastefull the American economy is.

  106. Re:Not to sound like an environmental maniac, but. by hesiod · · Score: 1

    > just bought a dispensible car

    AKA Kia. (okay, okay, Hyundais too)

  107. Re:Not to sound like an environmental maniac, but. by hesiod · · Score: 1

    > I am a Wisconsinite, and I despise how wastefull the American economy is.

    Never heard of that before... Anything like Samsonite? Are you Leather luggage? Anyway, you're wrong (but I don't blame you, everyone generalizes). The American Economy is not wasteful at all. You are giving way too much weight to an intangible thing. Put the blame where the blame belongs: it's the people who are wasteful. That's like saying SUVs run people over and kill them. It's the jackasses driving them that cause the deaths, not the car. Also, you are implicitly including every American in your statement, which, since you are obviously NOT one of those wasteful people, is untrue. I happen to be one of those wasteful people, so blame ME. Everyone else does...

  108. how to control them by Telastyn · · Score: 1

    simple, just imbed them into our skin/clothing/jewlery and have them link up to a wireless control device that's connected to your nervous system...

    Seriously though; eventually there's going to be some sort of nervous system -> computer interface developed that doesn't involve actual physical contact/motion. Until then, what we have now [and in some situations voice commands] should be sufficient.

  109. Re:Not to sound like an environmental maniac, but. by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 0

    Toilet paper is designed to be thrown away because it's main purpose is to clean you and then be thrown away

    So what you're saying is "Toilet paper is designed to be thrown away...because it's designed to be thrown away." Brilliant.

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  110. /. is slacking by hesiod · · Score: 1

    Come on, trolls, yer slacking here!

    Imagine a beowulf cluster of these.... okay, it's said now.

  111. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

    And to top it all off, he thought about the women with his creation, also!

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  112. Re:Before just accepting what NS is saying by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

    Begone, evil christian demon! Back to the depths of heaven with you! In the name of science I command you! Leave this poor persons body, and restore common sense once again!
    *spritzes turpentine around and lights it*

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  113. bending vs. jamming by anonymous+loser · · Score: 1
    bending seems like a decent idea but i'm so used to jamming my finger onto things to make things happen

    /me ducks under hail of sexual innuendo jokes

  114. what if someone overbends it? by StarvingHick · · Score: 1

    I can just see...
    "Honey, are we lost?"
    "Don't worry, we've got a map."
    *snap*
    "oh fuck."

  115. Sophisticated is not always better. by Doubting+Thomas · · Score: 1

    Touch screens wear easily. They work on subtle electrical signals, which makes them highly susceptible to dirt, and liquid. Food and touchpads absolutely do not mix. And I'm not talking about smearing ketchup on your device. Put down your ice cold soda on a humid day, and there's enough moisture on your hand to drive a touchpad batshit loony.

    Piezoelectric sensors, by contrast, can be internally mounted, instead of surface mounted. You can eat a hotdog, or stand outside in the pouring rain searching for you hotel on the map, and the damned thing will still work like a champ.

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    1. Re:Sophisticated is not always better. by yakovlev · · Score: 1

      I agree. Problem is, they put a touchscreen on the back of the device. This nullifies most of the advantages of the piezoelectric interface.

      If the ONLY (primary) interface to the device is piezoelectric, then piezoelectric can make a lot of sense. However, their sample application already included a touch screen, so the piezoelectric component adds cost without adding a durability benefit.

  116. Re:Not to sound like an environmental maniac, but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > > I am a Wisconsinite, and I despise how wastefull the American economy is.

    > Never heard of that before...

    That's because only people from Wisconsin call themselves that. The rest of us call them Cheeseheads.

  117. Both hands required? by illcare · · Score: 1

    Then how would I drive, talk on the phone and use my palm at the same time?? Sheesh!

  118. What's wrong with micro-gyros? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This may just be a quick response to the article (ie: I haven't researched it!), but I'm sure I remember reading about the development of micro-gyros to silicon forms. These are used in the SHT - five of them to stop you falling over!

    Silicon MG's - no bending - same functionality.

    David.

  119. Kleenex by Zurgutt · · Score: 1

    .. might be the next big brand in computer industry..

  120. Re:Not to sound like an environmental maniac, but. by stanmann · · Score: 1
    Toilet paper is designed to be thrown away because it's main purpose is to clean you and then be thrown away

    So what you're saying is "Toilet paper is designed to be thrown away...because it's designed to be thrown away." Brilliant.

    And I suppose you are going to explain the 3 seashells?? .... I'm waiting.
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