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Homebrew Rackmount Watercooling
Airspirit writes "For those of you who believe that bigger is always better and have multiple computers in your house,
this system may be a way to keep them all cool and organized. As an added bonus, it will heat a medium sized apartment all by itself!
This article at Pro/Cooling gives a step by step walkthrough describing the evolution of this five gallon monstrosity. Not only does this cover the construction of the cooling system, but the drawbacks such as algae prevention and maintenance as well."
What?
Oh, Mountain Dew...
Darn!
heh
You don't need a rackmount water cooler to heat a medium sized apartment, one AMD processor will do quite nicely ;)
And for those who think I'm joking, I haven't run my heater in my apartment since I bought my AMD last winter.
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We must rape the forums on the ph34rb33r website, in order to deride them, and insult their lame excuse for a 'webcomic'. There are minimal forum rules in place to stop trolls over there, such as a 20 second delay until another post can be done. Obviously, this allows you to refresh the page once the 20 seconds is up, and then resend the data, so that it will be reposted. The forum in question also has image posting capabilities, allowing you to use the explicit material contained upon rotten.com and goatse.cx. In addition to all this lack of troll-protection, the forum actually allows anonymous postings! Members of TrollKore have already trolled their forums multiple times, with crapfloods and the posting of sexual imagery. The posts were deleted after around an hour, but I believe that we have put a small dint in their weak ego. Ah, did I say 'their'? I meant 'his', since he is the only one that runs the webcomic, and has no friends.
A sample of the offending content is here. Please note how the webcomic is fucking lame and unfunny, and its very existence needing to be eradicated from the Internet. Also note how the comic looks as if it was drawn by a small child (and probably was). THE INTERNET IS NO PLACE FOR A SMALL CHILD, LET ME TELL YOU, GOOD SIR! At present, this is more important than meer Slashdot, fellow trolls. You now troll for FREEDOM, FREEDOM FROM AN INTERNET WITHOUT LAMENESS FROM SUCH TWATS.
I ask you this... if the forum could be down by tomorrow, isn't that worth trolling for? ISN'T THAT WORTH CRAPFLOODING FOR?!?
I plead to you, fellow troll, this fucking LOSER has to be revealed for the motherfucker he really is.
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You know, for when you don't want your computers heating your house, one way or the other.
... hate to see the AC bill in the summer though. Especially here where there really is no spring, it just goes directly to hot and humid.
Being that I'm in physics and I barely need a home computer, I'm always mystified by people who have things like rack-mount systems in their homes. I never manage to understand why you'd need that sort of thing.
I'd get one if for nothing else but the coolness of it.
Technology, the cause of and solution to all of life's problems.
Please don't even remind me about homebrew rackmount watercooling... Just remember to always check if the water is not leaking anywhere before you turn it on together with $15000 equipment. This is a lesson I learned the hard way...
Karma: Positive (probably because of superiour intellect)
A teacher in a small Texas town asks her class how many of them are Bush fans. Not really knowing what a Bush fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raise their hands except one boy, Johnny.
The teacher asks Johnny why he has decided to be different. Johnny says, "I'm not a bush fan."
The teacher says, "Why aren't you a bush fan?"
Johnny says, "I'm an Al Gore fan."
The teacher asks why he's an Al Gore fan. The boy says, "Well, my mom's an Al Gore fan and my dad's an Al Gore fan, so I'm an Al Gore fan!"
The teacher is kind of angry, because this is Texas, so she says, "What if you're mom was a moron and you're dad was an idiot, what would that make you?"
Johnny says, "That would make me a Bush fan."
Almost got to page three before it was slashdotted.
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You don't need a rackmount water cooler to heat a medium sized apartment, one AMD processor will do quite nicely ;)
...that he lives in southern Florida too.
And for those who think I'm joking, I haven't run my heater in my apartment since I bought my AMD last winter.
this makes you wonder how long it will be before information surpasses transportation as the largest consumer of energy on the planet
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jokes! It has to do with water cooled systems. So,
let's see...
1. The water must be boiling! Har har har!
2. Time for some more coolant! Har har har!
3. The radiator must have blown a gasket! Har har har!
4. Imagine a beowulf cluster of . .
5. They need to switch to a better coolant than water! har har har!
Oy, this is sooooo predictable. Mod this down because I
close with a traditional "slashdot sucks" comment.
I first heard about this on an episode of the screensavers a couple years ago. Yoshi, the king of all Case Mods, built a case out of plexi and attached a resevoir which was filled with dry ice and an chemical of some sort from 3M. For cooling a PC with Liquid, that seems to be a much more viable, albeit expensive option than this. I don't have a link to Yoshi's mod, but a search on TechTV would turn one up.
I have no regrets, this is the only path.
My whole life has been "UNLIMITED BLADE WORKS"
*I can say this, for I too am in desperate need of a shower. :P
I'm looking at the green water on the diagram and I see the blackish smudge and I'm wondering if that's a plecostomos???
Now I suppose someone's gotta code Perl::FishFeed to make sure the algae prevention measures are in place....
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Google Cache. Of course, no pictures....
You people are truly pathetic. You need to be fucking exterminated before you can breed. Oh wait, this is Slashdot - none of you knows HOW to breed! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Algae prevention is a drawback? Remind me to never eat from the submitter's refridgerator.
Trolling is a art,
Why prevent the growth of algae? With algae, this object fully supports your personal biosphere.
:O What did you call last night then? :( I feel so unloved.
I've left to find myself. If you happen to see me, please, keep me there until I return.
You know where to find me...
7:17 a.m. - article posted on Slashdot.
7:19 a.m. - water cooling system begins to be put to the test
7:27 a.m. - Slashdeath results in a high pitched whistle caused by steam venting from piping.
7:27:05 a.m. - Apartment dweller wakes.
Rube Goldberg would be proud.
__ Someday, but not this morning, I'll finally learn to use the preview button.
wouldn't it be nice if Slashdot had a temporary copy /cached web sites they linked to instead of the original? I'm sure this would greatly reduce sladotting problems.
What did you call last night then?
Another wet dream?
Argh I saw homebrew and excitedly clicked in because I thought it was a way to keep the PC cool while brewing your own beer. Boy was I surprised.
before information surpasses transportation as the largest consumer of energy on the planet
No, see, they'll be combined. We'll leave our bodies, transform ourselves into pure energy, and travel among the wires à la Matrix or Serial Experiments Lain.
And instead of traffic jams, we'll have DoS jams.
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Introduction:
It all started as a way to clean my network room up. In that room I currently have three computers (one is out of commission for a while), a mess of routers, hubs, switches, and wireless APs and antennas. The space in between all these parts is filled with ethernet cable strewn everywhere. I'm currently hosting a network for my entire neighborhood, including remote file hosting, FTP, intranet, and other assorted goodies that we won't discuss here (my ISPs might get upset
I thought to myself that it would be nice to have a server cabinet to stack all of my machines in, freeing valuable floor space, and by hooking the majority of my networking gear up on a shelf on the top it would free myself from the spaghetti mess of the CAT5. The only problem was that one of my machines was watercooled in an especially bizarre way (including a "football" [reservoir/air trap] trailing behind it), making it difficult to fit the system into a 4U rackmount case.
After rolling this idea around in my head for a while, I came across a thread on Pro/Forums that asked what we would change if we could redesign our WC system from scratch. Immediately I pictured a centralized cooling system for a rackmount unit with a giant vertical reservoir running up one side, also serving as a gravity based return feeding the radiators, and eventually the pump. I pictured the pump pumping up through multiple parallel channels, one feeding each computer system, with the 4U cases uncluttered, only containing a hose coming in one side, a water block on the CPU, and a hose going out to the drain on the other side. My initial idea was like this:
Using very little floor space, I could keep all of my hardware together, and watercool all of my machines from one well-built loop.
Very quickly I discovered that rack mount equipment was very expensive, and since I was looking to put money into quality components rather than good looks, I decided to change the idea a little. I decided that it would be just as effective to use stacked desktop cases as it would 4U cases, and I could do it for a fraction the cost. I also decided that it would be better to use one huge radiator than multiple smaller ones, just for ease of assembly. I also decided that it would be better to use an inline pump and only one reservoir, necessitating only one drain valve. By constructing PVC manifolds similar to what feed and exhaust the cylinders in a car, I could easily unplug extra channels to quickly add extra computers in. Overall, the required components are as follows, with X meaning one for each added PC:
15 ft 1/2" tubing - To string from the manifolds to the computer internals
10 ft 3/8" tubing - to attach to the water blocks and run outside to the manifold lines
1 large radiator - To cool the heated water
1 powerful pump - To keep a highly restrictive loop flowing
A homemade box - To contain all of the major cooling components
PVC - Lots of it
X desktop cases - To stack the PCs in on the cooling box
1 large fan - To turn the cooling box into a big wind tunnel, allowing the radiator to breath
Gallons of water - To fill the cooling loop with
Hyperlube - To keep the coolant from "rotting"
X water blocks - To cool the CPUs
Needless to say, this is going to be a very expensive project. I suspect that the it will run over $1000 to finish this project once I get started (since one machine needs upgraded before I put it on the loop), so I will be doing this in phases stretched over a few months. First I will acquire the hardware and start assembling the system. Once my proof of concept run (before the PVC is assembled) is done, I will finish building the infrastructure (using my old 350 GPH pump, if it can take the work), and begin Phase 1, which is putting the first PC on the cooling loop. Phase
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No, that would make too much sense.
Ps. wouldn't it be nice if slashdot didn't make you wait 20 seconds to reply.
It would be more than nice. With the current setup (no help from Slashdot) we show our appreciation for the pointed-to websites by crashing their servers, getting their sites shut down, or massively enlarging the owner's bill for bandwidth. In other words, currently we do to the people we like the same as we do to people we don't like. Its a shame that the majority of Slashdoters, as well as Slashdot themselves, can't seem to figure this out.
I want a new quote. One that won't spill. One that don't cost too much. Or come in a pill.
CPU heat exchange engine providing enough energy to power your PC.
Behold the perpetual PC!
No, no, no, Slashdot _can't_ do this, for one because it would simply be illegal to copy random sites like that, secondly because it might imply that Slashdot is somehow responsible for a 'quality of service' and if their copy does not work, could be sued, and lastly because if this was done, we couldn't enjoy ourselves flaming people like yourself who think that this obvious, useful, and practical solution to a real and annoying problem is worthwhile. Anyhow, the principle of caching web sites has probably been patented by Google. /irony
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Apparently all 5 gallons of water evaporated due to the Slashdot effect.
This
You are bound to have the following happen.
1.) Be marked as overrated, troll, or offtopic to a -1 karma
2.) If someone other than me does reply they will either mention the FAQ, or provide you with a link.
3.) Someone will actually "tell" you what the FAQ Says
Slashdot should cache pages to prevent the Slashdot Effect!
Sure, it's a great idea, but it has a lot of implications. For example, commercial sites rely on their banner ads to generate revenue. If I cache one of their pages, this will mess with their statistics, and mess with their banner ads. In other words, this will piss them off.
Of course, most of the time, the commercial sites that actually have income from banner ads easily withstand the Slashdot Effect. So perhaps we could draw the line at sites that don't have ads. They are, after all, much more likely to buckle under the pressure of all those unexpected hits. But what happens if I cache the site, and they update themselves? Once again, I'm transmitting data that I shouldn't be, only this time my cache is out of date!
I could try asking permission, but do you want to wait 6 hours for a cool breaking story while we wait for permission to link someone?
So the quick answer is: "Sure, caching would be neat." It would make things a lot easier when servers go down, but it's a complicated issue that would need to be thought through in great detail before being implemented.
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4.) Someone might actually answer your question ...
Basically it all boils down to slashdot doesn't care if it causes an effect similar to that of a denial of service attack. They feel that since they are linking to a public webserver that they are doing no more harm than say a search engine. The caching of a webpage would mean that they would have to invest time and technology into a caching system (which they have neither the programming experience or capabilities) and not to mention money in the hardware (gotta store the things).
It's a weird situation, slashdot publishes a story acknowledging That there are smaller servers that never intend to have the amount of traffic that they get. Just so happens that no one has actually sued slashdot yet, which happens to be the only thing the editors fear more than being fired.
So will you see a change, no, and why? Because of the above mentioned reasons and because those responsible for building slashdot are lazy and not innovative. You want innovation and caching then I would highly reccomend google. Just post in the subject line of most slashdot stories, since most of them are usually a week old, they've already been cached.
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
Every time I see a slashdot headline with the word "homebrew" in it I think that at last there's an article about beer, but no :-(
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It must be time to go to bed. I just worked all night and at first I read "Hebrew rackmount cooling." I was so confused.
less than 1/2 hour pass the posting and the site is feeling the /. effect. Is there any way that sites that are not HUGE MONDO bandwidth places can be cached by /. before posting them on an article so that we can see the site the day that the posting took place or do we just have to wait the 3 days for the site to come back up?
Gato
There appears to be nothing 'superiour' about your spelling however.
Warm water breeds all sorts of wildlife. Use waterbed disinfectant in there (or a small amount of bleach) to keep things clean.
The trick then is that the water containment needs to be waterproof sealed, otherwise as the water evaporates, you'll have chemicals floating around in the air of your house.
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
This is actually my system. I don't think Joe, the owner of Pro/Cooling (not hosted on a watercooled system, btw), had any warning that his server was about to be slashdotted. I suppose spraying your systems down with a fire extinguisher is not the best way to spend a Monday morning, but who am I to judge?
... oddly enough, she uses Windows for the "heavy lifting" and Linux because she loves the games!).
And he always said he wanted more traffic, hehe.
Anyway, the reason I have so many machines is that I do professional web design and database programming, an obscene amount of gaming, and host multiple network services. From top to bottom you have:
PC 1: Gaming, development (WinXP/Mandrake 9.1)
PC 2: Wife's office computer (WinXP/Mandrake 9.1)
PC 3: Linux network server
I host a mini-ISP out of my house for the neighborhood, so the Linux server helps keep bandwidth consumption down as well as providing other services my customers demand.
I have a KVM that allows me to swap between PCs 1 and 3, and she has her own equipment for her PC (I just leave it alone
Anyway, I better go run and hide before Joe hunts me down!
Airspirit
You steaming piles of cat shit!!! Motherfucker has a fucking point....don't cry like little bitches and mod him down....
fuck, i hope the meta-mods strap you over a 55gal barrel and sodomize your anuses with Garden Weasels (tm).
100% Offtopic
Cute ...
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
We're sooo happy to see you!
Yoshi DeHerrera of TechTV has an article about how to use HFE from 3M to build a submerged cooling system for a computer. Find it here.
Check out the Google Cache of the page
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Obviously NOT Pro Hosting!
..how this works." "The white stuff requires two types of glue to form a seal. First you apply primer, rubbing the brush around until the PVC starts dissolving and looks milky (do this on both parts on all areas that will be connected), and then you apply PVC glue until the primer and glue are completely mixed (on both parts).." You don't /mix/ the primer and glue! The primer is a alchohol-based cleaning compound! If you don't wait until it dries, the joint won't bond.
".. and then you slide the parts together and hold on for dear life."
Hell yes! He mixed the glue and primer: "Pal, you're going to be holding that for a loooong time.."
Oh, and I /do/ work with Sch 40; think 200 psi pressure lines. Don't mix the primer, man. It ain't purty.
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We always hear people complain about the slashdot effect and I was earnestly asking for clarification which you provided and am happy with.
Contrarily to some people that just mod me down and keep me in the dark you actually did something constructive by explaining things to me. Thank you.
I've got conduit running from the second floor computer room in my house into both the attic and crawlspace. I'm thinking of doing something like this, and running the heat exchanger portion under the house, to take advantage of the cool climate under there, and provide and emergency outlet for leaks. I'm thinking of using copper tubing on the two heat-exchange ends, with polymer tubing in between (in the conduit). I'm wondering what the flow rate would need to be, and how big the tubing would need to be to support that flow rate. Not being a fluid-flow or heating/cooling engineer of any type, I'm posting this question. :) It would be convenient to be able to use ordinary fish-tank equipment. The height of the water loop will play into that -- it has to be pumped up and down about 20 feet.
Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
"My computer has an algae problem."
HD: "Well, is it blue-green algae, or just regular green algae?
"How do I tell?"
HD: "Oh for pity sake! Go to START, Programs, Algae Management."
"Ummm.. Maybe I should just shut down and go spend some time outdoors?"
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We've got a whole system set up just to guarantee that people like you don't become president!" -- Abe Simpson knows where it's at!
Contrarily to some people that just mod me down and keep me in the dark you actually did something constructive by explaining things to me. Thank you.
I stopped caring about karma and moderation a long time ago, I post how I feel and I figured you asked a decent question and deserved a decent answer.
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
The exception is if you use a large ventilation fan to blow into an open case. (been there done that.)
I DO use my computer as a whitenoise generator at night though. I've seen people charge $100-200 for whitenoise generators, when a simple program on a PC can do the trick. Under Linux, do a search for "whitenoise". Nice small program.
Under Windows, so far the best solution I have come up with is to use Octave to generate a white noise (actually, "pink" noise, i.e. white noise that has been lowpass filtered) waveform, save it to .wav, and set Winamp to play it in an infinite loop.
Octave code to do this:
This creates white noise at a high level up to abour 2.2 kHz, and then additional noise at a much lower volume up to 4.4 kHz or so. You can adjust the cutoff frequencies (Second arguments to both fir1() functions and the ratios of volumes to your preference.Note that I generate a noise array and then dupe it three times before filtering it and then truncating it again. This prevents discontinuities in the final waveform that would present audible clicks/pops after every loop. (Similar theory to some of the tricks used to make seamless tiles in The GIMP.)
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
Back when I was a kid, my fishtank had a nasty algae problem.
So my parents bought a pleco. Tiny little thing, maybe 1-2 inches long. We called it "Lucky" due to the abundance of food in the tank.
Lucky lived for 12 years, far longer than any other fish we've ever had. And man do those things GROW. By the time it died it was nearly a foot long and thicker than its original length. It probably would've been twice the size if we'd had a larger tank.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
It's a weird situation, slashdot publishes a story acknowledging That there are smaller servers [slashdot.org] that never intend to have the amount of traffic that they get. Just so happens that no one has actually sued slashdot yet, which happens to be the only thing the editors fear more than being fired. "
And they are wrong. Slashdot is different than and indexing service in that it produces a large number of hits in a short period of time. Google pushes traffic to you fairly evenly distributed over time.
This kind of attitude is just more proof that the "editurs" are a bunch of amatures that just happened to luck into tapping into vibrant community.
The next time I have to see the word "watercooling" I'll throw up.
1) These people obviously don't know that water can carry electricity (Duh!)
2) These people obviously don't know that there are fluids that do NOT carry electricity
3) Watercooling is like modding a car. There will ALWAYS be standard CPU's that are faster and that do not require watercooling! It's only a matter of month until your watercooling looks pathetic, anyways.
4) Every heard of clusters? No?...I thought so...
5) Don't spread this crap. It makes Slashdot lookin' BEYOND geeky or nerdy. It makes Slashdot lookin' pathetic!
6) Get a life, get a job, get a new CPU!
As an added bonus, it will heat a medium sized apartment all by itself!
It's not a design flaw, it's a feature!
I can hear it now.
"Dad. It's getting cold in here. Can I run something computationally expensive?"
What about using antifreeze? would that work?
Interesting as there are a few of us out there that use geothermal cooling for our households. Mine is an example. I have an open-loop geothermal system that pumps water out of my well and discharges it elsewhere on my property. It works very well in both the summer and winter to keep my house in my comfort zone. Now all I need to do is redirect some of that cooling power to my equipment in the basement.
It must've overheated.
Yep. I've got a water cooled machine sitting right next to me. I don't even have it cooled as a matter of overclocking (although that is a nice little bennie) I have it WC'd because I can't stand fan noise.
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I set up my own very first rack (21U of space) in the equipment closet in my house (custom built so it'd have an equipment closet). The rack houses an Ethernet switch, patch panel, UPS, two 1U servers, and a 2U RAID server. (Yes, I need this much equipment.)
I originally placed all the equipment right on top of each other, leaving 12U open. What a mistake! It was up about 30 minutes before the RAID array complained of multiple drive failures and one of the other servers was hung hard. The entire rack itself was painfully hot to the touch.
Leaving 1U of space between the equipment was all it took to solve the problem. Convection---you gotta love it.
I have an Athlon XP 2000 and a Pentium 3/500 in my room.
This last winter, the heat in my old apartment died 10 times between January 1st and April 30th. Most notable was a week where the temperature outside never got above 15 Farenheit. I never noticed in the night because my room never went below 65, even with failed heat.
My poor roommate was not so lucky, not only did he not have an Athlon room heater, the air intake from outside was in his closet, and the seals broke. He had a 1.5'x1.5' hole to the outside.
Their site was working enough that the page loaded from the Google cache would, after a (long) delay, pull in the images. I saved all three pages with Mozilla and zipped them up. Enjoy.
20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
This is how I would do it. During the period where only subscribers can see the story, Slashdot would quickly build a cache of the site.
Then, every minute, it would send a small HTTP request (like for robots.txt) and keep track of the response time. Maybe it could even generate a small postage-stamp sized log-scale graph of the response time as a PNG and insert or link to it from the front page, so you'd know how the site is holding up before clicking on the links.
Once the response time has increased by a certain factor, the bot assumes the site has crashed under load. It then automagically posts a comment to the story with the subject "uhhh... it seems to be slashdotted" and then spits the site (stripped of HTML) into the comment body. This would save karma whores a lot of time.
> currently we do to the people we like the same as we do to people we don't like
I guess DRTFA should be a new common (polite) phrase...
(actually spare bedroom).
From 5 machines (firewall/router, mail/directory, database/appserver for development, file/print server for music and crap and one more box I was not sure what it was running), it went to one giant antec case with lots of drives and dual PIII 450 and Linksys access point/router.
Now I can actually enter the room and spend time in it and my electricity bill went down by about $20 a month.
I use 8 parts distilled water, 3 parts "G12" (pink colored) VW/Audi/Mercedes engine coolant* and 1 part denatured alcohol.
I've been algae and critter free** for over year now with no maintenance required at all.
* This is probably the best coolant you can buy. It is free of all corrosive chemicals that "regular" coolant has, and it prevents corrosion due to dissimilar metals better than other coolants. ** My PC watercooling rig is pristine and clear and free of bacteria and algae and small animals. If it weren't for the toxic coolant and alcohol, I could drink it.
I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.
This is an excellent idea. I think it could be implemented like a caching proxy for all URLs referenced through slashdot.
there are 3 kinds of people:
* those who can count
* those who can't
Get thee to the swimming pool section of your local Lawn & Garden. There you will find gallon bottles of 40% Algacide, about $12 US. Aqua Chem is the brand 'round here.
Quatanary Ammonium - pretty useful stuff.
Treats 200,000 gallons. A little dab will do 'ya. Safe and effective usage requires substantial dilution. Not only good for you swimming pools and CPU cooling loops either...
1) Use the same stuff in your Waterbed. A few oz, every year or two.
2) If you're really cheap, you can refill those hang on the back of the tank toilet cleaner bottles. No blueness, tho. Calculate dilution v. flush volume and dispenser's lifecycle. Add cheap laundry blue if you want blueness.
3) It is also used in those disposable "sanitary' wipe dispensers, marketed at the kitchen and bath. I forget the brands, little plastic bottle from which you pull wet naps out of the top. Just use a regular rag and dilute in a squirty bottle.
4) It is also used as a sanitizer dip/wash in the food trade. The machine the spit out that frosty Milk 'A Like(tm) shake you're sucking down probably soaked in the stuff just last night.
What is needed is probably something more effective, an inert substance that has a extremely high specific heat. Liquid sodium in a high pressure system may be a good choice to convey the heat, as it has an extremely high specific heat, allowing for much more heat to be conveyed with less substance, though the results may be disasterous if the system loses containment. I have also heard about a really expensive inert liquid from 3M that electronics could be submerged in without any negative effects, though I'm not sure of its specific heat values.
Hey, wait a moment.
You make noise?
I mean, you MAKE noise so that you can sleep?
Hell, I turn off my Apple/PC to have NO noise.
And I live in the middle of town.br.
You can go with a cooling tower construction. The inner is your traditional rack. The outer is a metal plexiglass construction with a front door, and the top and bottom is open. Top and bottom fans (big and slow) optional. Also cuts down on noise[1]. For additional fun, run big diameter plastic pipe to the outdoors (don't forget to screen properly), intake and exhaust. There can be any number of variations. Cooling radiator at the bottom. For the more industrious, one can even cludge something together from say open wire metal shelving. mount some integrated mobo's vertically. Modified power supplies. HDDs are a dicier problem. SATA can help here, or try NAS.
[1] Also makes it easier to control other parameters like humidity for example.
Try paraffin wax (Guess what's used in lava lamps?). Or a light viscosity oil. Hey! It works for your transmission.
Our office has desks with little computer cubbyholes in them. One day I decided to burn a big stack of CDs to send off to customers (we make & sell small volumes of reference CDs). After about 4 disks, my machine (AMD Athlon XP 1800+, 52x CDR) kernel panicked. I burned my hand on the top of the case. I took the machine out of the cubbyhole and there hasn't been a problem since, even when burning many CDs in a row.
Funny, my house is already full of chemicals floating around. Nitrogen, oxygen, etc.
Surprisingly, I am also made of chemicals.
Some forms of noise are more pleasing to the human ear than others, and monotonous noises (like fans) can actually be soothing. I actually CAN'T sleep without some background noise such as a fan (or my PC's whitenoise generator) running.
:)
CPU fans are the exception, as these emit rather high-frequency narrowband noise. I'm talking about larger fans of the 2-foot+ variety. Hard drives are also too high pitched, plus the heads make all sorts of nice clicking sounds.
The output of that program is broadband noise at low frequencies that sounds rather similar to a waterfall. It's a soothing sound, but more importantly, it masks out spurious background noises (birds chirping, cars passing by, etc.) all of which tend to keep you awake/wake you up. The code I put in to add the small amount of higher frequency noise makes the output LESS comfortable to hear, but helps because it assists in masking out some noises in the 2.2-4.4 kHz spectrum.
Use of white noise to mask other noises is an established procedure in many office environments to mask out the sounds of things such as keys clicking. (In these cases the amplitude is VERY low so as to be not consciously noticeable.)
Someone emailed me about some other aspects of noise, so I might be able to improve the program tonight.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
The other cool advatage about a /. caching system is that they could add a little bit to your karma for actualy loading the links in the article.
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For example, commercial sites rely on their banner ads to generate revenue.
translation: We're to lazy to figure out how to write a caching script intelegent enough to realize that if it's caching example.com, the links to doubleclick.com are ad banners and should be drawn off the URL listed instead of the translated cache URL.
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Jewish wet t-shirt contests?
Get rid of everything Micro and Soft: Buy Viagra and/or Linux
Liquid sodium makes a great reactor-vesel coolant. It has a low viscosity, and a high specific heat. Unfortunately it's melting point is 97.72 C. You'll notice that this is about 27 C above the maximum operating temperature of almost all consumer electronics.
Somebody else suggested parafin wax. I'm not sure, but I think they were also pointing out this flaw. Strangely, I had thought of experimenting with parafin to provide cooling... but not for a running system. I thought of useing a sealed case with hollow walls filled with solid parafin as a container for backup tapes inside a fireproof safe. Hopefully the melting parafin would absorb some of the heat, protecting the tapes longer. As long as it doesn't leak and catch on fire.
Ethylene glycol also is not so good... It's most efficient at about 200 C, which is what makes it such a good coolant for car engines.
Methanol works great at the temperatures you want to strive for in computer cooling. unfortunately, it's corosive, volatile, odourless, and extremely toxic.
See this article for more.
At first I thought your comment was an obscure Perl module.
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First I've heard that one. You must spec "Avion, or better".
Really, tho, the trouble with water is twofold.
1) Bugs. Antifreeze will take care of that. But, you can still use 60% fancy water.
2) Conductivity. If it leaks, ever, you will lose your gear a few microseconds later. Glycol and water, however fancy, won't help here.
There are better (and cheap) fluids, mostly the low viscosity hydrocarbons. Low conductivity, no bugs, and they kill your MOBO quite a bit more slowly if they leak. But, you have to upsize the system's radiator and flow rate.
I don't claim to be a scientist, but one thing struck me when I was reading the page about your project. At the end you kind of complain about the ambient temperature in the room from your cooling system. But you also complain that your stage 3 temperatures were higher then your Stage 2 temperatures. Yeah, I'll bet. If you really want to know what is just from the cooling system you have to adjust the room temperature so it is constant.
I mean, it it's the winter time in the first example and your temperature is low, but your room temperature is 65F, then that's one thing. But, if your temperature is high and it's the summer and your room temp is 85F then that's something else entirely.
It seems to me it's possible you have an uncontrolled variable roaming around destroying your data.
his profession: sanitary engineering! ...
his avocation: cooling!
the computer is online
i am not at it
what a waste of ressources
i'll just remark, that this has been discussed a gazillion times before. now let me finish my hat, i didn't have breakfast today.
*gnaw*
%-)
the computer is online
i am not at it
what a waste of ressources
A few people emailed me indicating that they were having problems getting the Matlab/Octave code to run.
Most of those lines require Matlab's Signal Processing Toolbox or the Octave equivalent. Octave-Forge (http://octave.sf.net/) implements most SPT functionality. (Still no psd() function...)
The ausave() function is Octave-specific and probably needs to be replaced if running the code under Matlab.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?