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Dutch Experimental IPv6 MP3 Stream Relay
Remco den Besten writes "In order to promote the IPv6 protocol, some Dutch enthousiasts deploy an IPv6 MP3 stream relay server.
So, do something different with your IPv6 connectivity and listen to the streams offered!
See & listen (both IPv4 and IPv6)."
...by supplying an IPv4 stream as well, because we acknowledge it's a lot of hassle for people to use IPv6! Genius!
What is the purpose for it?
IT_GUY to Boss: "Sir I believe its time we began supporting IPv6"
Boss: "And what are the benifits?"
IT_GUY: "More IP's better system etc."
Boss: "What about MP3 Streaming, does it have that?"
IT_GUY: "Why yes it does sir."
Boss: "Well then load it up!"
Ahh if only pretty music and pictures were the key components of Open Source software, would make convincing implementation so much easier.
"Look at all these benchmarks"..."ohhh pretty colors, we'll buy it!!"
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
Will this be the first IPv6 service to be shut down by the RIAA?
Beep beep.
Once again, they do something *right*.
C|N>K
to see an honest admission of what people really are using the internet for and see it's early implementation with IPv6... This will convince an interminable number of those who were sceptics for the sake of being so...
Lots and lots of dance and similar junk. I think I'm staying away from IPv6 for a while.
Did you hear that HDTV is an area where Pr0n _isn't_ leading the field?
:O
Evidently you can see too much detail.
"Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus."
This is the furst guy to do something like this with IPv6.
I guess he is also the first IPv6 user that will be sued by the RIAA.
I believe that porn is also the reason the VCR really took off. You can watch pornos in the privacy of your own home. Isn't it great? I'd also have to say that if virtual reality ever takes off, it'll most likely be because of porn. Don't laugh. It's true.
A patent-encumbered lossy audio compression scheme. I cringe every time I hear it. Why couldn't it be flac streaming?
-Libertarian secular transhumanist
All the site admins need to encourage IPv6 use! a good slashdoting
Not a troll
Wow, IPv6 really made those mp3s sound better. It was almost as if I were there!
Quid festinatio swallonis est aetherfuga inonusti?
Africus aut Europaeus?
This just in: RIAA uses the DMCA to shut down all IPv6 services, claiming they have the potential to distribute illegal MP3s.
The point is you can listen to it without wasting disk space. Also turns you on to new music you otherwise wouldnt know about. I dont listen to traditional radio, nor do I watch mtv -- The only way I can learn about new music is streams and word of mouth.
Listening to a good stream has a much better flow to -- Random mp3s jump from song to song, but a good stream is setup more like a good radiostation, where songs flow together rather than jumping from an aggressive song to some slow ballad
Pain lasts, kid. Its how you know you're alive. Sometimes I think this growing up thing is just pain management-TheMaxx
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But we all deserve death, don't we? Erm, eventually?
FLAC is patent-free just like ogg, but it is lossless compression. How about I use a lossy compression on your OS, hmm???
-Libertarian secular transhumanist
Although the description makes it sound otherwise, the streams are available only in IPv6. What is both in IPv4 and IPv6 is the page with the information about the stream.
Warning: Opinions known to be heavily biased.
That's all well and good if you have your playlist shuffled, but I organise my songs by artist and album, so each one flows into each other very well... a damnsight more than most radio we get in the UK anyway.
However, I agree that streams have their place.
Well, I think the main benefit to applications like this of IPv6 will be the multicasting support.
Sure, multicasting is also available in IPv4 via IGMP, but I highly suspect that it won't really get used too much until IPv6 is the norm.
There is a working M$ v6 kit now
now.. no one has any excuse not to use it..
Windows 2000 IPv6 Kit
Win XP IPv6 HOW-TO
"Using IP6 for this thing, are they? Sounds hi-tech, but I hope it works for all the IPv6 users out there. Both of them!"
If so, I really think this joke about the slow pace in which IPv6 is being adopted should really be taken as just that. A joke. And as a few child posters pointed out, music and porn DO drive technology.
The government is backing IPv6 now, remember?
It's great that they are now streaming in IPv6. I wonder when RIAA will track them down and force them to pay the royalties on the audio streams they are providing. Perhaps people will start migrating p2p applications to IPv6 so at least for the time being, RIAA will be behind the times. When RIAA catches up, just move the application to the new experimental IP stack. Welcome to the new cat-and-mouse game.
I know you were joking, but apparently this is kind of a problem for TV actors. Some shows that now shoot in HDTV, the actors don't like it because you can see too much detail, ie. flaws in their appearance, things makeup doesn't cover enough for such a high resolution. Supposedly once they get the hang of lighting things differently for HDTV, they should be able to go around the problem.
Can you imagine people watching "Friends" and realizing 'Hey... Wait a second, Poebe looks like she's 73 years old!'
Also you can listen to it legally whether the station you are listening to is legal or not.. They are the ones that have to pay the royalties.
It's a good option if your workplace doesn't allow hordes of MP3's on their workstations.
MTV quit playing music years ago.
Even if I load the ipv6 module in linux and use ipv6 applications. Doesn't my ISP have to route ipv6 packets before I can even use it?
Tom
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
Of course I will be send-pr'ing the thing, so watch your favourite FreeBSD ports mailinglist.
I'll post it to my website when I have tested it ;)
xmms-ipv6 patched failed for me, as mpg123 latest version failed (wanted to use my v4 to read v6)
so here is a little trick on how to read the stream:
use latest mpg123 & an ipv6 enabled lynx:
lynx -dump http://ipv6.lkml.org:8000/difm |
or use latest cvs mpg321 with a read-patch applied (which is in the bug list of sourceforge mpg321 project), else it will read the stream too fast
and use same kind of command than before
How do you say, "What the fuck do you think you're doing" in Dutch?
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
Good... Maybe someone else will have better luck convincing Nullsoft that ipv6 actually IS desired:
9 5119a267d91817195a9ad715&threadid=125475&highlight =ipv6
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=3b5228a
Btw, same goes for ipv6 support in Mozilla for windows... the *nix versions have had ipv6 support for a while now, right?
Are there any other ipv6 alternatives for windows? IE and Windows Media Player both have ipv6 support for win2k sp3 and up as well as XP, but I'd rather not use those if possible.
NAT creates all sorts of problems, by design, not by implementation. The lack of IPv4 addresses in the near future is obvious, it's not debatable, it's a fact. If you don't believe it, start counting people on this planet, multiply (at least) by 3 for one phone, one computer and one infrastructure device. See if that fits into 32 bits. IPv6 offers many more improvements, but if you're too blind to see the most obvious one, you probably won't appreciate the rest.
If you're going to push for a major networking change with streaming media, go for multicast instead. It has a huge direct benefit for streaming media.. The stream source would only need bandwidth for one stream, not one stream multiplied by the number of listeners.
If you're looking for a linux IPv6-capable player, try MPlayer. It's working great for me on their mirror of WolfFM. IPv6 support should be automatic.
--Quentin
This is one of the best reasons!! With internet streaming radio, you usually get the track title and artist. A quick trip to AllMusic, then you can see if you are interested in getting more tracks.
A large percentage of the music I listen to came to me this way.
Both of these are the reason I quit listening to shoutcast.com a few years ago. Looking at their page now, they still only have 10,000 users total. I used to run a great stream..."All Aphex Twin, All the Time"...nothing but one artist with no interruptions. I even got a couple of imitators, which pleased me to no end.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
If the multicasting(that saves bandwidt) means the station can up the bitrate.
FRA: STFU GTFO
The "technical benefit" of using an IPv6 relay is that it can be combined with IPv4/IPv6 relays to make a path more difficult to trace.
I'm actually relived that the first use of this appears to be merely stealing music as opposed to sending spam.
It seem trivial to implement P2P radio. If you send out just 2 streams, and every listener resends the stream to just 2 guys, you can reach 2046 listeners with just 10 hops.
FRA: STFU GTFO
It really cracks me up that this is a site to promote stuff. With its lack of design, poor English (yes I know they are Dutch), and tech talk, it is only preaching to the choir.
The problem with IPv6, and for that matter just about any open-source project, is not that it lacks the marketing budget, it's that it's promoted by pale faced geeks that don't know or care about the rest of the world thinks.
Well without the "outside world's" approval nothing will happen. IPv6 is dead in the water unless one of the following to things happens.
1) The transition from IPv4 to IPv6 is completely transparent. If a user has any compatibility problems or has to type anything into a command line forget it. If you have to rely on the public to actually learn something and do it, game over.
2) Every manufacturer of software and hardware will have to plan the obsolescence of IPv4. Like they are trying to do with HDTV, What they did with Vinyl LP's and Eight Tracks. This will take years, and when they finally have it, it too will be obsolete.
This article interested me in ipv6, so in true /. fashion I went off on a tangent and found ARIN's policy doc on ipv6 at http://www.arin.net/policy/ipv6_policy.html
if you scroll to section 4.1 you'll find an interesting paragraph, obviously for a range of numbers more or less infinite they have to find a way of overcharging and making them valuable.
Look up AEIOU from 1994 and see what we could be running today if it hadn't been essentially ignored or dismissed at the time.
The basic idea in a nutshell: you have your IPv4 addresses still, and you encapsulate another 32 bit address inside that. Taken to the extreme, it basically gives you a network of 2^32 addresses for every one of the existing 2^32 IPv4 addresses.
When you're stuck with a single IP address from your ISP for whatever reason, your logic works like this: connect to my real IP address A, then bounce through the gateway to real system B.
AEIOU would essentially work like that. The packets would have a destination of A like any other IPv4 header, and A would look inside (at the IP options, perhaps) to push it along to B.
It stands for "Address Extension by IP Option Usage", and that was about 10 years ago. Just think - everyone on consumer grade DSL/cable modems could have a single dynamic address with the freedom to use an entire Internet worth of internal addresses. And yet, that entire internal space would be able to talk to any host on the outside if they wanted to do it. All this happens transparently - the systems in the middle handle it like any other IPv4 packet.
Is this supposed to be something new? I remember seeing IPv6 MP3 streams (and later IPv6 Vorbis streams) a year or so ago, and I'd guess they weren't new even then.
To me, this sounds more like "hey, let's set up an IPv6 relay to promote our stream, perhaps we can even get a Slashdot post". It's not like IPv6 hasn't been a part of Icecast2 for a while now ;-)
/* Steinar */
(This comment is of course GPLed.)
I've also hacked my own copy of icecast2 to accept connections over IPv6, and now listen to TripleJ and various other Sydney-based radio stations regularly online.
:(
Just playing my part to support the adoption of IPv6..
My IPv6 Ogg Vorbis stream keeps me sane!
Or for those without AAAA DNS working:
http://[2001:618:400::cb12:26db]:8000/live.ogg
Slashcode doesnt support IPv6 html links it seems
Sparks:Gadget:Beer Maker
Big deal. It's a tunnel, so to speak. The "outer" IP address forms the equivalent of the "routing part" of an IPv6 address, and the "inner" IP address plays the role of the "host part" of an IPv6 address. So far so good, but you obviously get only one benefit of IPv6, only half of it (64bit, semistatically divided into only 32bits routing/host parts) and at the cost of special packet treatment on the clients and gateway routers (because the clients have to add the complete target address and the gateways have to resolve the internal address to pass the packet on to the right internal machine.) NAT (2^48 addresses) is a better (more transparent to the clients) solution to this problem, and it still sucks. If you're going to these lengths just to get longer addresses, you might as well go for the real thing.
If you want to listen to Nectarine radio in IPv6, point your player to (IPv6 only): nectarine.ipv6.oulu.fi:8002 or nectarine.ipv6.oulu.fi:8004 or nectarine.ipv6.oulu.fi:8006 for different bitrates. Replace nectarine with sik1 if you wish to access the IPv4 stream instead. I set the IPv6 portion up something like a year ago, and it's been working reliably ever since.
I have done it with older Icecast and now with Icecast2 more than year already. Look at http://icecast.version6.net:8888/status.xsl
Dear Sir, /. post, I'm sorry to inform you that you've forfeited your rights to bitch about any of the following topics:
After reading your recent
- Consolidation of ownership of radio stations
- Consolidation of news media into the hands of a few powerful corporations
- How much talk radio sucks
- Consolidation of popular music into a few "blockbuster" boy bands / half-naked babes
- How much it sucks that the RIAA controls music distribution
- Payola
etc.
Sorry you don't love Shoutcast but part of the reason that *most* but not *all* internet radio stations suck is that it still costs a lot to operate one - you have to have a ton of bandwidth.
The exciting thing about IPv6 streaming radio is that there's almost no incremental cost to adding listeners - sorta like radio, but without the spectrum limitation. It completely changes the way that internet radio works. One schmoe with DSL would be able to reach (via multicasting) every single person on the internet, if they wanted to listen. That's huge. Think about what that would do to P2P. No queueing for the same file - everybody downloads it at once from the same stream.
Pervasive multicasting makes some amazing things possible, and really gives the shaft to The Man.
Did you respond to the wrong post? Your post contains a list of material unrelated to what I was talking about. KTHX BBYE.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
These moderators need to get their heads checked.... Complete overreaction to a diss about another worthless slashdot story.
I didn't mean that in a negative connotation, you know. Going without death would be rather, uh, horrific and/or boring.
I'd like to think I deserve death. Just not right now, thank you very much.
- Save them money.
- Make life easier.
- or, Help avoid a disaster.
Streaming MP3's is nice, but I can do that with IPv4.