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Youth Spend More Time on Web Than TV
ChopsMIDI writes "According to a survey of 2,618 people, aged 13 to 24, teenagers and young adults spend more time on the Internet than watching television, indicating a shift in media consumption for a demographic prized by advertisers. On average, young people said they spent nearly 17 hours online each week, not including time used to read and send electronic mail, compared with almost 14 hours spent watching television and 12 hours listening to the radio."
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Only 17 hours a week? I think they need to survey more slashdotters.
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Lets hope they are using interactive forms (like this comment form) and not just wathing flash movies or playing mmorpgs.
On average, young people said they spent nearly 17 hours online each week, not including time used to read and send electronic mail ..."
...? Kids today!
What -- reading and sending email isn't "time online"
-kgj
I don't even watch TV these days, with the ocassional exception for the Simpsons and maybe a movie or two. The internet is much better. It doesn't show you 30 minutes of ads per movie, content is just available there and not during a specific day and time, and the content is much more interesting.
Here (Spain) it seems that the producers of some shows are brain damaged. A while ago I turned on the TV to see if there was anything, saw a bit of some "Putin's daughter" crap, and went back to my computer.
I mean, look at all the services that the Internet can provide:
Chat, Shopping, Gaming, Education, Music, Movies AND TV (I mean, who hasn't downloaded a Simpsons episode or two off Kazaa?)
Add to that the fact that Reality TV (TM) is killing off all of the creativity in television; I want to see comedies, movies and interesting documentaries. I don't care if Joe Bloggs from London has won £10 000 for pretending to be a chicken in the streets.
For me, TV can be too much of a passive experience after a short while. If I'm gonna stare at a screen for hours, why not be fragging AND chatting to a few people in Day of Defeat?
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amateurs! more like seventy hours a week!
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Did they count the hours teenagers and young adults spend on the computer, while watching television? If the television and the computer are in the same room, it's not uncommon for them to do both.
Radio is more "seen" by me than TV nowadays... after the internet, of course.
Radio can be heard while driving; TV sucks too much time... OTOH, I'm so selective of TV programming now, junk TV programs simply are out of question.
Also, ads on net are much less obtrusive than on TV, I really don't mind them. Ads on TV are extinct (at least for me).
Sorry it's just opinion, maybe you can relate...
That's about 2.5 hours of internet access per day, plus 2 hours of tv and 1.5 hours of listening to the radio. So either these kids are spending 6 hours a day (after school no less) sitting in front of various electronic babysitters or they've learned how to multi-task.
Will the future generations be more literate since they spend all of their time reading instead of watching TV? Maybe it will make it worse since 3v3ry7h1ng 15 5p3ll3d l1k3 7h15.
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95% of those surveyed only spent a couple of hours a week tops but it is alleged that a few Slashdotters bumped that mean right up
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The web is an interactive medium. While using it, your brain is active (well, except when reloading/posting to Slashdot on 2-3 minute cycles). TV is 100% passive (unless you're using it to trigger discussion). You cannot surf the web without learning something or at some point causing your mind to think. So, more power to them! Keep it up kids!
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No surprise, there is 10000x times more pr0n on the interweb.
It's an easy choice: (1) easy access to free pr0n or (2) "reality TV".
For (1) substitute whatever interests you. News junkies, humor, multi-player gaming, music swapping, ad infinitum. It's available on demand 24x7. TV forces you to adhere to mostly least-common-denominator programming at the programmer's schedule, unless you fumble with a VCR, or you have a TIVO that your Dad hasn't monopolized. It's not surprising that the kids have gravitated to the Internet as the new entertainment medium, as have many adults.
The ability to see any movie or any episode of any show on demand. The cost could be per show or subscription (more for commercial free). It would also have PVR ability and could burn shows/movies to DVD for a small (under $0.50) fee.
Of course it will be a cold day in hell before the networks let this happen since it would take power from them and give it to the owners of the individual shows/movies.
Not noteable, IMO a rubbish article.
since when has there been 43 in a day?
what kind of survey is this?
how can an average young person spend 17 hours a day online, and 14 watching tv, and 12 listening to the radio?
all at the same time maybe? right thats it.
The Internet is a vaster wasteland.
OK. Yes, it does matter.
I don't watch TV either. At least, very little. Most days I watch none.
I like getting news in real time on the Internet and from various sources. I feel much more informed than my in-laws, who religiously sit in front of Dan Rather every night and think that he some how makes them more informed than I.
I do read local newspapers for more local flavor, though.
For entertainment, let's just say that the Internet offers, um, more provative content...
I even listen to radio over the Internet. I think my lifestyle will eventually demand a Tablet PC or something. But, I'll wait until they beef them up a bit on battery life and applications.
That said, I'm not sure how long all of this free content will last. Given my choice of browser, I don't view any ads. How long can the "system" support this leeching of content?
The final aspect to my online life is the social one. Email and IM makes life much easier as opposed to the unconnected world.
So, from an information, entertainment, and social point of view, the content of the online world has finally reached critical mass for me. It may take another 5 years for this to make some drastic change in TV, newspaper, etc. But, I think we have finally passed the inflection point.
"If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid." - Epictetus
The web has the potential to be a very powerful medium. Literally everything you'd ever want to know (from movie reviews to why the sky is blue) is only one click away. I know whenever I have a question, the first place I turn to is google. Kids figured out a while back that it's more fun to have control over the material you're sitting in front of, as opposed to say, watching another episode of Dharma and Greg.
The only downside to this is that advertisers figured out that a majority of the people in the world use this fancy new "intraweb" thingy, and decided to litter it with their banners and spam. If you can sidestep that little roadblock however, the web is still a wonderful thing.
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What about time speant doing all three of the cited activities? I can remember hours upon hours of just that when I was a kid...
There is 10000x more pr0n on the interweb.
I'd have thought radio surpassed tv...
I know I've been listening to it for far longer and far more than tv.
Nearly all of my daily activities take place while radio is on.
Oh well....
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I don't know about other people, but it's been true for me - not because I made a conscious choice between internet and other media - but just because the internet has been far, far more available.
During university, it was there in all the computer labs, and now, when I'm at work, it's right there on my desk for seven or eight hours every day.
Mind you, even if I did make an unbiased choice, I'd probably still spend more time browsing the web than watching TV.
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Power in the hands of the accountable.
Ever since I wired my house, I almost always watch TV while simultaneously browsing the web on my laptop. That way, I can look up info about shows I'm watching on IMBD.com, AllMusic.com, PBS.org - whatever - simultaneously. Not to mention the tv schedule (which is a lot faster than waiting for Cablevision's channel guide to scroll down!).
And then there's News - on the Internet you get to seek it out yourself rather than waiting around for some talking head - babbling about topics you don't care about - to finally get to whatever you're interested in. NOt to mention the fact that you can read differnt POVs on a story rather than having them spoon fed to you.
Basically, the experience of watching TV without the Internet seems...flat.
Conversely, the media experience on the Internet is superior because it is more Interactive and appeals to the "immediate gratification" desires of the "younger generation."
Certainly this inclination toward the web over TV is one reason that advertising will have to drastically change. As spam filters, and pop-up killers, and page-based context filters develop, it will get harder and harder to put the "sell" on younger people. (All people, for that matter.) I think the P2P vs. filtering evolutionary wars are a harbinger of things to come. Individuals do not like being manipulated by corporate imagery. My fear is that eventually a legal argument will be made that since an advertiser has paid for space on a page, it will be illegal for somebody to mess with that page, since the page is the property of some other corporation and not of the individual who views it.
Maybe as an analogy, you can imagine some hot-shot electronics guy building a special jammer that only jams beer commercials and leaves all other content in place. Clearly beer companies would hate it, and no doubt the FCC already says they control all transmitting of public content and not just the non-advertising stuff (cmp. the small power FM station fiascoes). Since this is the rule in Wavelength Land, I can see nothing to stop it becoming the rule in Web Land.
Moreover, if congress is willing to introduce bills to make P2P software illegal, I have little reason to think their $$$ masters will hold back on anything else. I think getting something like a super-Freenet up and running with (effectively) unbreakable crypto is the only hope of keeping us from some weird oligarcic socialism.
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You have to consider the source of the information. It was pitched to me a couple of days ago (I work in television news), and guess who paid for the survey -- Yahoo!. It's like an oil company commissioning a survey that shows people hate electric cars.
I'd be more interested in how much time these people are spending on an IM service rather than using their phones. For myself, IM is basically my primary form of communication. If only all my friends would keep their machines on 24/7 as well.
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The web got free porn, music and things to do. TV's passive entertainment.
...were these polls taken? The 13 to 24 demographic is obviously the lower half of the meat and potatos of Yahoo, but I wonder how these polls were conducted.
Was it outside of a shopping mall? Was it forms mailed out from junk mail lists? What was the income range of the families involved? This would be more interesting to me, as it seems that would tell more about who is moving tword the internet as a whole - when even the lower income brackets are spending more time in front of a computer.
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Quote: On average, young people said they spent nearly 17 hours online each week, not including time used to read and send electronic mail, compared with almost 14 hours spent watching television and 12 hours listening to the radio, the study said.
But what about ripping cds, downloading mp3s and movies, playing games, and doign schoolwork. This is all on the computer as well, so if you add that I'd assume that the number of hours spent on a computer would have to be at least 20-25. Its scary to think that so much time is spent in front of a computer monitor.. Add to that number the number of hours in front of the tv (14) and you have almost have a full workweek.
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...these little fuckers are going to start coming out of womb with flash plug-ins installed.
And what about those like myself who can do all three at once...I wonder how that skewed the values, if at all.
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I'm a top 40 night jock, and this is my key demographic....
What you have to consider here is that television and radio *especially* serve as background noise a lot of the time for these children, and in surveys they dont consider it actual listening or viewing time, or at least as much as they would put down for homework or surfing the internet.
Secondly, they probably dont consider time in the car as much as straightforward listening, especially if in the car with parents.
Mostly, time spent *only* listening to the radio, at least for children/teenagers comes in 20 minute blocks.
Personally, I think it's much better for kids to be on the web all the time, than watching TV all the time. Mainly because watching TV is a passive activity, browsing the web and using computers GENERALLY require learning and interactivity. Exception to this is obviously teenage girls/boys that sit there and chat on AIM for 8 hours straight.
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"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
-- George Orwell
It's alarming that big companies like Forbes associate Internet time with TV, using the blanket statement, "media consumption". I don't know about you but as a member of several online forums and an occational website content producer myself, someone who uses the internet as a tool to look up information, I don't really feel like I am sitting here consuming a media product.
Now, don't mind as I once again don my tin-foil hat.
You see this language everywhere. We are all consumers. We consume things. That's our purpose. "They" produce product and push it out, and we consume. Is Forbes's language evidence that big media still doesn't "Get It" with respect to the power of creation the Internet provides to us lowly consumption robots? Does the author really believe that Internet use soley consists of consumption of products?
Or is it one of the many subtle ways large companies push the idea that we are just consuming pac-men, and that nothing we do is imporant unless it involves consuming someone's product.
I think the consistant use of the word "consumer" to describe PEOPLE is evidence that this is a widespread attempt by those in charge (large corporations) to make their world-views come true through the force of subtle language changes.
Ok, off with the tin-foil hat! Good day.
would make kids watch more TV, but unfortunately for the advertisers, they wouldn't watch the commercials.
things are changing:
:-)
1. first, the music industry loses its ability to control the marketing of new music to people because the people themselves have control of the distribution technology (i.e. Napster, Kazaa )
2. then, the television industry loses its control of what people think because the internet allows people once again to control what they read, hear, and see.
It sounds to me like the whole media industry is losing its control over people and we can thank technology for doing this for us!
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In a time where kids are convinced that oral sex is not sex, email not being seem as online is no surprise. The Internet is what you see in IE, isn't it?
I stopped watching television when they stopped caring about saturday morning cartoons. Actually it was more when I realized how dumb they were to begin with.
Here's an idea to put down, how much time a week do these kids today spend reading books or newspapers?
As for radio, I think that this is a wondeful medium for just about everything. The problem is that you have 75 some odd channels adn most of them are the exact same thing as fifteen other stations, so you have the rap, oldies, adult contemporary, pop, miscellaneous paradigm. I'm really in support of bringing back radio plays and dramatizations, mix it up a little, the music formats are all so played to death and most of the time there isn't anything decent on them.
done.
Maybe they're not as dumb as most think.
At least if you're doing something on your computer you're choosing what you want to do, not being fed whatever rubbish is coming out your TV. The 'net gives you the control over what you want to see and provides more of a means to interact with people.
When I go on the 'net, I read five or six different news sites, then go and iChat to some of my friends, then add some stuff to some sites I'm working on. I don't think that's any worse than lying in the sofa for 4 hours watching Sky1.
See naked people (hell even autopron posts on /.)
Centrally communicate (anyone from around the world can join the same chat room).
But let's get into to why when I was a teenager (soo long ago *cough* 3 years ago *cough*)
1.) Private password protected conversations (no more parents overhearing part if not both parts of a conversation over the phone). You have the ability to talk with others without the fear of the parents figuring out what the hell is going on.
2.) Sex. While it may seem a bit innapropriate for the older crowd here, most people from the age of 13+ have sex on the mind, either sex appeal or actually shagging. While of course there may not be a whole lot of knowledge in the area, there's still the curiosity and since mom and dad usually won't take the time to explain sex as it might actually lead to little billy and suzie wanting to try it, they turn to the one source they can find.
3.) Information. Heard something about a war in Iraq, but all you know is mom is indifferent and dad thinks bush is some asshole for it. But you really would like to know what's going on, but can't understand it. Turn to the internet and a search engine, in a few hours you can deem yourself an expert on middle eastern politics.
4.) Pop-Culture. Want to know what's cool and what's not cool and be able to actually survive highschool? Then you need to know what's "hip" and "Cool". So MTV.com and others like it will guide you through the pains of trying to look "normal" and not be a spectacle. There's three types of people in highschool "popular" "normal" and "bad popular". "Bad popular" is basically the kid everyone knows but everyone picks on, if in highschool you want to avoid at all costs this classification. So best way, spend as much dough as you can muster up and stay "normal" with the cool shoes and correct name brands.
5.) Homework. Yes it's true the internet is a vast tool of conquest in knowledge. But even better, no more turning to the index of a book. Hop on to your local libraries website and do a keyword search in a book. AMAZINGLY enough you will know exactly where the boston tea party is mentioned in the first 100 books that are the authroity on the subject. All by never stepping foot in the library, opening the book, or god forbid reading the damned thing. You can find someone elses blog/essay on the subject and get it dumbed down enough to where you can "write it in your own words". "Write it in your own words" is a new form of "writing" where you take the same basic concept and write it in a different manner with different words thus negating any type of plagerism.
All-in-all the TV is there for when someone else is on the computer or there's no emails or active people on your buddy list. Then and only then, you'll hop on the couch and turn on the TV. And what do teenagers watch? Exactly what I said above, but they don't get it in such mass quantities, it's like methadome for a crack addict, keeps ya at bay, but you still don't like it as much.
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
The main appeal 'net-related activities have for me is the need to think. You spend your time reading, thinking about opinions, actually exercising those little grey neurons.
TV is not interactive, and with the quality of most shows currently produced, it's boring. Often it steps over the line from merely boring to annoyingly bad production values.
Who wouldn't prefer an entertainment media that doesn't presume one is a drooling moron?
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Any decent cartoons on this morning?
As much as I hate MTV and the crap that they force on the viewers they still have, I find that they are approaching this transition in a positive manner. There are several shows that are utilizing the multitasking potential of the internet with television, in order to receive feedback and make shows interactive. MTV2 does a show that requires viewers to log on and vote for the next video in realtime. This is the way to combine your programming with the power of the internet and not lose out. By making your TV programming customizable to some extent by the viewers, I would think they would be less likely to change channels or even turn the TV off altogether.
Im not a key demographic prized by advertisers. If they want me they can come through my pop-up and banner killing software.
So basically if the general population gets their way, we will have: an un-centralised, un-controlled medium which is advertising and restriction free and allows anyone to communicate anything to anyone else.
However, if the government/corporations get their way we will have: a controlled and owned medium where advertising and subscription is high and only authorised, monitored and restricted communications are possible.
Doesnt that second description sound exactly like TV?
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So, what, is this our generation's "When I was YOUR age" event?
Previous: "When I was YOUR age, sonny, we used to go outside and play baseball out by the sandlot! Not all this TV watching crap you kids today do..."
Today: "When I was YOUR age, sonny, we used to watch TV all day on the couch! Not all this new-fangled 'internet' crap you kids today do..."
Future: "When I was YOUR age, sonny, we used to log onto the internet all the time on the computer! Not this new-fangled starship crap you kids today do..."
Demanding constant attention will only lead to attention.
I spend 17 hours a day on the internet...
Im 16 and thought sky digital was my life until january when i got broadband, since, sky has been cancelled and is only watched for any football matches. I spend pratically all my time at home on the internet, mainly MSN though chattin to the m8s who live round the corner and playin counter-strike. Just lazy i guess.
Tom
Considering there are 16 hours of free time on Saturday and Sunday, I highly doubt they are cramming all that activity into weeknights.
And has been mentioned before you can do more than one thing at a time (ie. listening to the radio while on the internet)
The sending of this message pretty much inconveniences everyone involved.
If television offered free porn to kids who are smart enough to admit to being over 18, television might start being as important is the web is to today's youth :)
That couldn't possibly apply to me. I have a TV tuner card. I watch TV while I am surfin the net, while I'm checking my email and it's on while I'm playing MMORPGs or any game that takes up my full screen. I leave it up fullscreen on my 19' monitor while lying in bed. I just gotta make sure my seti screensaver don't kick in!!
Glad thay didn't ask cowboy neal - he would have raised the average abnormally high.
Porn thumbnails and free pix on demand are way better than scrambled porn channels.
Internet, scminternet. BAH! I say!
What's wrong with AOL?
I mean, look at all the pages they have in their system, like the one we are on now?.
We have everything that the internet has, and more! I was on the internet once, and it was so boring.
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But it's because I don't feel attracted to TV... I never felt the need to stare at it... I prefer going to the cinema or watching movies either in DVD or in my PC...
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Kids today!
... we had to compose our emails offline using punched cards, and then submit the stack to a data console operator for 300 baud transmission to the mainframe!
Why, when I was their age
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I don't know why that last word was left out of the title
>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
>life
...I *only* watch TV while performing some other activity (not using the computer, cooking food, etc.) are:
#1. Spending time with gf.
Even though the PC is interactive and great, I've found few activities on a computer that are fun for both of us in tandem. Looking up movie times and buying stuff on the 'Net is one of them. So is playing old school emulator games like the original Mario. For the newest games, I'm afraid the "complicated" controls for FPS definately holds my gf back....and so does all of the blood.
#2. Lack of Mental Clarity.
Interactivity takes brain power. If I'm mentally wasted I'd as soon watch MTV's The Real World when I don't want to think about my life, and I generally don't want to use my head at all.
#3. The computer is pissing me off.
Some troubleshooting scenarios for PC's can become quite frustrating. The price to pay for interactivity. Sometimes you have to give it up and watch the boob-tube.
Once you've used the internet enough, watching a TV news program is incredibly annoying, with all the "ok, this interesting sounding story will be coming up soon". The internet spoils you with the instant information, on what you want and right now, compared to TV. I can only see the amount of TV that anyone who uses the web much continuing to go down.
no duh? I could've told you that without needing to run a survey. TV has reality shows, the net has Trogdor; what more evidence do you need that the web is far superior as an entertainment medium?
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I know about 5 people my age (17) who never watch tv, and theyre not particularly geeky either :-) But the web is definatly more important to them than TV
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12 hours listening to the radio
I'm surprised by that. I wouldn't think teens would listen to that much radio. If they are spending that much time on the internet, shouldn't they just be downloading songs for commercial-free enjoyment? I know I probably put in quite a few hours a week listening to the radio, but that's because I'm a freak who listens to talk radio.
it's because anything you watch on tv you can download off of the internet anyway. and you can watch it at your leisure too. plus, we're a generation of high-tech pirates. we don't need any of this tv crap. it slows down our ships.
I'm against picketing but I don't know how to show it.
Surely it is the 'average of a sample of teenagers', rather than picking a 'sample set set of average teenagers' (whatever na average teenager is) and looking at them. A normal distribution may not apply (particuraly as this is a constrained discrete and very dependent thing being measured) so 'average of' and 'of average' are very different concepts.
I suggest you go back to junior-high to study math a little more.
..is anybody REALLY that shocked?
Not that online is any better, but at least you get to choose the crap that infects you.
Advice to all generations: Read a book, quite being sheep.
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Frequently the ad server is slow as shit. My internet connection isn't blazing to begin with and this stupid adserver is tying it up. I dumped the banner ads and suddenly the internet moves at usable speeds again.
And to be fair I don't block all ads just the ones not hosted on the same sever as the website (thank you for such a great brouser Moz team).
I used to have a cool sig, back when I cared
(Disclaimer: Totally OT) That reminds me of something that happened to me in high school physics class. The teacher was doing a demonstration witha frequency generator hooked up to a speaker. He kept raising the frequency in increments and had the class raise their hands until they couldn't hear it anymore. As he kept testing higher and higher frequencies eventually everyone's hand dropped except mine (i seem to be able to hear white noise and the like better than most). He supposedly went up another step and asked if I heard anything. I said "yeah I do" and he proclaimed "Well it's not even turned on. You're imagining it. Ha ha!" And of course the whole class was laughing at me thinking I was lying. But I could still hear it!
After class as I was exiting the room I walked by a TV facing the back wall and I realized that was where the sound was coming from. It turns out the tv was left on and showing a blue screen. I was hearing the whine from the TV
The sending of this message pretty much inconveniences everyone involved.
I don't even have cable anymore. Occasional episode of Daria or M*A*S*H over at the inlaws' house while I'm there, but even then I bring my laptop along and spend the time mostly online anyway...TV just isn't worth my time anymore.
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
I guess that when they say "the internet" they dont include AIM, IRC, chatting on Direct Connect hubs, etc. The only time I spend on the WWW is my Mac rumor sites, /., and a couple forums. I spend all of my time either in my room, or outside.
My parents will ask me "Why don't you ever come downstairs and spend time with the family?" And do what? Stare at the newest episode of Fear Factor all glassy eyed as you do? Only talk to my family during commercials, and even then all they can talk about is what was on the TV?
I, and many others my age, despise TV. I also despise just about every Hollywood movie, and the majority of music out there (I don't want to hear an add for Snoop Dogg's clothing line, I just want to listen to music).
The internet is my only "media" escape from all of the crap out there. I hardly see any ads, no intrusive pop-ups. My spam filter works nicely. I can download whatever I want whenever I want.
But studies like this are for the worst. Remember a couple decades back, video games were quickly growing to be the number one thing for teens to do? Remember all of the lobbying done by Hollywood/Viacom/EMI/etc to make sure the video game industry was slowed down?
And I am a youth. TV has some good stuff, but now that I don't get TechTV (or any premium cable channels) anymore I just can't really justify a good five hour span. That and they just switched my UPN from Mineapolis to La Crosse, WI. YECH!! I go from a that 70's show/simpsons/t7s sandwich to Sabrina the Teenage Witch and the crazy 1996 run of Cosby. So, yeah.
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I mean, I don't get free porn on TV :)
Mulitplayer games are centered on a framework of interaction. This can be complex or basic, but it still is a fantasy framework that lends itself to simplistic interaction (like, "lol"), generalization, and thematic elements.
Arguably these sub-cultures are growing on these elements, but to call them fully interactive is subjective - the majority of players do not go there to discuss the news, philosophy, technical applications, or other topics. The majority of players are just that - players.
Slashdot invites a broad range of topics, encourages insight, information, and debate, and links daily to real world events. In essence, it is a marriage of the real world and individual perspective.
A game is only a game (even with chat) unless a group of individuals decide to make it more than that. Most do not.
As a 15 year-old myself, i do spend lots of time on the web, mainly reading /.
All of my peers, however, are spending most of the time on the web on Kazaa and messenger services like msn messenger and icq. Some of them can waste an entire afternoon just using icq.
As for the internet replacing tv, I blame it on awful daytime programming. I can only watch family matters so many times before I start mutilating neighborhood pets.
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Because porn isn't scrambled on the internet.
True, but you can ask the deeper question of what convinced people to sit in front of a computer instead of a television. Back in the 80s, only a few Fidonet/BBS people were pried away from TV during their leisure time.
The reason might have been the economic demand perceived for technologically literate computer operators, from employment opportunities dwindling and beecoming more technologically specific. And/or, the lure of communications conveniences like email, search engines, listservs/newsgroups, etc. And/or the faddish aspects of the mosaic/netscape experience sure drew a lot of people into the internet.
Fundamentally, though it's probably herd behaviour, as people see their peers start to use the net more, they want to too.
It reminds me of a bit from Beavis and Butthead -- they're talking about having 200 channels ot TV, and one of them suggests what if they just had one channel that didn't suck.
I mean, hell, I admit, I keep on the TV as background noise, but there's just some stuff I have to change the channel for. It's hard finding something on at 5pm EST that isn't an infomercial. If it weren't for FoodTV, BBC America, TLC, Discovery and similar channels, there'd be many more hours of the day when I wouldn't be able to find something worth watching.
When a good program does finally make it to the air, they cancel it after a season (Mad Jack the Pirate) or two (Invader Zim). They put things in bad time slots (Futurama, always pre-empted by sports when it was in first run). If it weren't for the random stuff that somehow manages to make it on the air -- Good Eats, Coupling, Monster Garage, we'd be in even more trouble.
So, anyway, this brings up the real question -- is 'the Internet' winning because it's better than TV, or is TV losing because it's worse than 'the Internet'?
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57 57 hours on the Internet in a week. That sounds more reasonable.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
It's a survival advantage for little kids to have acute senses - hearing, vision, taste. It gives them time to run away after hearing the dangerous animal or to not eat that horrible tasting poisonous berry. As we get older they decrese and more and more adults need help.
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Its very good, I'm very happy to see kids are using the net. This is like hearing kids spend more time in the library than they do playing video games, very good news.
Hopefully they arent all clusted around the yahoo/aol chatrooms and actually use the web properly.
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Hmm...
Crossing Over with John Edwards...
Ricky Lake and Jerry Springer, yea!!!
Big Brother 25, oh yeah
Pet Psychic?!
Most Sexy Artists of All Time, sure
"This girl is going to choose one guy to marry out of a million, let's see what happens..."
Uh, gee, I can't see why they don't watch so much TV these...
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I'm Amish you insensitive clod!
Yeah, those with real jobs that have Internet access while at work. Let's see, 40 + 17 is... ummm... hold on...
40 hours? Shit...
I've been here since 7am this morning, at least I get paid overtime...
Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
I want whatever spam filters the parent poster is using.
Of course, I'm sure companies will just see this situation as "Oh, I guess we need to put more advertisements on the web." As if there weren't already pop-up ads galore. Good thing that I haven't seen a pop-up ad in years, otherwise I'd be really annoyed. :-)
In the end, the internet is better than television at conveying things like information and/or news because it is much faster and more efficient. And I won't even begin to get into the more addictive side of the internet, such as online multiplayer games (*cough* Counterstrike *cough*) ;-)
...Children.
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
Even without taking spam (which you obviously see during the email-writing/reading time) into account, Eudora has been using its client as an advertising medium for a long time. You choose among the crippled "Light" Edition, the full-featured paid Edition or the full-featured Sponsored Edition. The later has small dinamic adds (just like banners) that are active all the time and exchange information with a host when you are online.
Microsoft should already have noticed it - Outlook would be a wonderful platform for this, given its far larger userbase.
Maybe it was just the sort of people that hung out on them, but there seemed to be a lot more to them depthwise than pop MMORPGs.
Well, MUDs didn't really "go away", but the percentage of the folks on the Internet that use 'em are a lot smaller (absolute numbers might have gone up, I dunno).
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I consider "online" time when your compuer has the ability to send a packet and have it reach another computer.
My parents, at least, write all their email offline, queue it up, dial up, and then send it at once, then read any new mail offline. So they do indeed deal with email offline.
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Television found to contain 25% less nudity, swearing, and pr0n than the internet.
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I am going through all the comments seeing complaints about TV not being interactive. While Interactive TV still IMHO can never be as good as the Internet, I still wonder what is going on with it.
I think that there should be a new cable modem standard. One that requires many more frequencies and can deliver much more bandwidth. Then, the cable companies could take a survey of what channels people really like and dump channels nobody likes (like Home Shopping Network?). Seems if this were to happen, cable internet could easily compete with high bandwidth SDSL if not surpass SDSL speeds.
All the cable company would need would be provider equipment, and a fiber connection to the net. In metro areas, they could make a killing.
The most valuable commodity people have now is time. The internet has no concept of time.
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I think that eventually time will become so valuable that anything that requires a time commitment will become annoying and low priority.
If your tv show started 20 minutes ago you're out of luck. Why watch tv on NBC's schedule when you can surf that favorite web site anytime you like?
Recording tv? That was a neat trick a long time ago, but do most people still have time to do that? How many times have you recorded something you thought you wanted to watch.. and never watched it? Was it because you didn't have the time.
My prediction is that tv won't be superceded by the internet, tv will eventually be broadcast on it exclusively.
TV execs read this:
I don't want to be able to record tv and watch it later. PVR's are nice toys but not the solution.
Let me watch what I want, when I want, and make it play right when I want it to. And it has to be free. If you have any questions you can find me on the internet.
It's important to keep in mind that, at least in America, we've always had control over what media we viewed. We always had the choice of not watching TV, as many books as we wanted on any subject, publications devoted to any group ...
That being said, I also believe that the computer as all-purpose media box makes that alternative content far more accessable. You're right that something new is going on.
But the point is that the big media primarily didn't gain their dominance by some kind of exclusive rights -- they gained it by being easier, cheaper, and often better than the alternative. That means that our new internet alternatives are by no means assured -- we have to work to keep them easy, affordable, and good.
Is this HaveBlue from NLH?
--- 11 meters/second, or 24 miles per hour - the airspeed velocity of an unladen European swallow. Really.
Well, it won't improve the content of shows, but the RePlay TV 50xx models have some things in common. While you can't download shows per se, you can share shows with friends over the internet - it comes with a modem and an ethernet jack built in. It also has comercial advance, which is pretty effective at skipping commercials so you never have to see them. It also lets you search for shows by genre, or record every episode of a show (so you can get the simpsons on syndication at 3am).
the disadvantage is the $10/month service fee. Also, rumor has it that the next models (the 55xx) won't have internet sharing or commercial advance.
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I have blog like everyone else
More of everything on the net ...
The good, the bad and the ugly (sorry Clint) it's all there!
It costs a fortune to advertise on TV yet virtually nothing to advertise on the net. And this is the demographic that has high disposable cash.
Either the cost of TV advertising needs to come down or perhaps internet advertising is being sold wrong.
...the generation involved.
I did some research since i'm involved in marketing on my campus for the activities board, and we noticed a large change in the habits of this past years freshmen class. My advisor then gave a closed door talk to specifically invited people on the topic of the "mellinial generation" and how they have a tendency to act.
So I became rather interested in how this works, and did some research on the topic. Children born after/during 1982 up until 2002 (give or take a year on the ending, but the beginning is rather defined now) are more inclined to do many things, including, volunteerism, working harder, goal setting, etc. They are set to be the next workaholics based on their performance so far. These are the people who will strive to get straight-As in school (more so then other generations on average). This generation
To emphasize a point close to this artical, consider this:
"The net is their primary source of news. Eighty percent use the net frequently as an information source. The next closes sources are radio (fifty-seven percent) and television (fifty-five percent). Compare that with American adults in general who prefer TV (seventy-five percent) followed by radio, newspapers, magazines, and, last in line, the net. For them, this technology is a natural part of life. Where my daughters, who are a little older than Joanna, used to chat on the phone with friends, Joanna has added instant messaging and email to the ways she stays in touch. My kids wanted their own phone line, Joanna has her own cell phone." (www.mondaymemo.net)
This generation is the first really wired generation as a whole. If the baby boomers had technology attached as a foreign object, and generation x learned it, this generation breathes it...
So no, I dont see this as much of a surprise, but then again, I've spent a good month or two researching the underlying principles which lead to the same conclusion.
We don't need an "overrated" so much as we need a "you completely missed the parent's point, dumbass..."
News.com has a slightly more detailed report: Web marketing sells like teen spirit
The executive summary from Yahoo is available (1MB PDF): Born To Be Wired Executive Summary, accessible from Born To Be Wired
Over-what? Fricken "exempt" status.
But does the fact that I don't get overtime anyway prevent them from forcing me to fill out a timecard? Of course not. I still have to specify my day in 15-minute increments, and I'll get paid for 8 hours regardless. (Well, except if I work for less than 8 hours.)
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
Well, of course. In the newspaper, it says "Call theater for times". But you don't do that; TellMe (1-800-555-TELL) works much better.
I'm not seeing a move to video/3G/browser/etc cell phones by teenagers, though. Here in Palo Alto, there are plenty of kids who could afford a phone with a camera or whatever. But I've rarely seen one. Teenagers all have small cell phones, on which they talk, not text or browse.
Right on! I haven't owned a TV in four years. I miss The Simpsons and some other shows, but a lot of those I can get on DVD now. The other major thing, news, is so much better on the web. news.google.com is incredibly quick to update, uses over 4500 news sources, and tends to show less bias than human/corporate news. Long live Google! :-)
Basically only one option is left. Replace cable almost entirely with video on demand. All these specialty networks that currently have to worry about filling their airtime (so to speak) can just publish their catalog. It can be sent on docsis cable or something, and watched on a set top box which could optionally have some disk and a dvd-r(w) in it. Of course I expect it to be well-protected with some sort of DRM scheme but just think, you could conceivably purchase DVDs over it - the box will verify the recording to make sure it's been delivered, of course. But more importantly you can pay to watch show, or watch (a probably excessive quantity of) commercials to watch some shows for free.
You could also do this over satellite internet, though it would be a little slower. Still, you just order shows you want, and the box notifies you when they are downloaded.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I'll download it.
Bittorrent is your friend...
I can't be the only one who misread the title as:
...damn, how did they know?
YOU Spend More Time on Web Than TV
Not too old though, only those of us who teethed on vacuum tubes and 90 ohm bedistors and stuff.
I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
Munkeyspanker21 has two personal computers which are online 24/7 and have a 2x and a 12x cd-burner attached. How many $ does he pirate per hour?
[Please use the three-extra-zero key on your special RIAA calculator for your calculations]
But does the fact that I don't get overtime anyway prevent them from forcing me to fill out a timecard? Of course not. I still have to specify my day in 15-minute increments, and I'll get paid for 8 hours regardless. (Well, except if I work for less than 8 hours.)
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Ouch, you are getting spanked on that. You should renegotiate your contract. You know, like a baseball player.. or something
Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
Eh? I spend about 17 hours a day on my computer.
And this is ... bad? Hardly...
Sitting in front of a TV, you do absolutely nothing. You slouch, with remote and hand, and stare at the TV while frequently drooling, grabbing one's self, burping, or snacking. This is horrid behavior - nothing positive comes of it. Period.
At least on a computer, even if playing MMORPGs, the user must *interact*, which is something television lacks. Televions is a broadcast medium whereas the Internet is interactive. The user must do some work in order to achieve satisfaction. With a TV, they must simply watch. On the web, they must read or strategize, or at the very least point and click, which is an exercise of hand-eye coordination.
I'd take a computer geek MMORPG no friend having dorkahontas over a TV addicted vegaholic that sits around and watches Space Ghost Coast To Coast all day.
Do it for da shorties
This is the reason that the media is evil. The way they got the results for this survey is by asking people who were online, using an online form. It doesn't generalize to the population as a whole. I could go to hick towns across the US and state that most people surveyed had incestual relations with their family and spent more time on their tractor than doing anything else.
Books never killed anyone ya know. I say lock em in a closet with a bag of cool ranch doritos and a copy of One Hundred Years of Solitude, alright - ill lighten up - we'll give them the translated version. Damn i hate babying them..
Seriously, ive seen just as much damage done by kids moving out of life into some bizaro internet world. Everything in moderation - you know 2.3 of those 2.5 hours a day is in front of either a first person shooter or an everquest like time sink.. FFS ive seen enough adults erode their brain with that shit, i dont even like thinking about the kids, and ive seen married couples break up over everquest.
I was crazy back when being crazy really meant something. (Charles Manson)
Am I the only person over 50 who believes that Kazaa is more important than television?
You wouldn't believe the looks that I get from all the other baby-boomers when I tell that it's definely true that Kazaa is more important than television. Young adults (that's you - 15 to 25 years old) are more likely to agree; or at least realize that I'm not demented because they know what I'm talking about.
I'm trying to get a bumper sticker for my car that says:: "Kazaa will destroy Clear Channel!".
It does have a really weird ring to it.
I've been noticing that the local newspaper is getting a little desperate. I get telemarketers at least once a week trying to give me free one-month subscriptions to the local fish-wrap. I patiently explain that while I might enjoy reading the paper, I most definitely do not want the 'paper'. That is the dead-tree 20 cubic inches of newsprint that is an unwanted byproduct of the information contained in the local 'newspaper'. I tell them I'll take the paper if they agree to take away yesterday's pile of newsprint each time that they deliver today's pile of newsprint. Plus the local newspaper is stone-cold cement-head conservative; they never miss an opportunity to dump on anything that important and enjoyable to young people. It's hard to understand how they could be so dumb; but they are. I suspect that most newspaper probably believe that we are still living in the 1950's.
Why do they give people like you mod points?
Obviously, the actual calculation involved the average of a sample. But the goal of statistical analysis involving sample sets is to make a more general assessment of some larger population - in this case, ordinary people aged 13 to 24. Yahoo, isn't going to be able to sell advertisers on the basis that extraordinary, slashdotting trolls like yourself who have almost certainly never had a date spend more time online than watching TV. Moron.
What I would love is a MUD with a roguelike interface.
You mean a cross-platform, GPL game with vast worlds, lots of development, and years of content under their belt? Free to play?
I believe that looking for the Crossfire webpage. A bit more Gauntletish than I'd like (contains monster generators), but other than that, good.
And while I haven't played it (and I don't know if it's as far along, there's also the more modern WorldForge, which has some screenshots of the various clients.
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Hear!
When I was looking for LR furniture I was shocked that there's virtually nothing that isn't implicitly or explicitly built to encase, showcase, or hide, a television. Doubly ironic that a piece of bedroom furniture (the armoir) is being revived as...a TV hideaway box. Finally found something which could have the Box Hole halved and stashed with stereo HW and CDs plausibly.
TV? Ain't had one where I live since 1999, and ain't never owned one m'self. Period.
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
Us youngins prefer to spend time on the internet because it's one of the few things we have left that our parents know little about.
Do you have any idea what a radio is? Do you know how to click on the link to the article which states:
?Please meta moderate mercilessly.