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SSH or VNC From Your Cell Phone?
fintler writes "Andreas Karlsson has a working release of a simple ssh client for the Ericsson P800 and is looking for a way to imput control charactors in the interface. Here is Screenshot 1 and Screenshot 2. There's also a VNC client for the Ericsson P800 (Auf Deutsch!) written by Gino Micacchi with some more screenshots here and here."
oh sweet, as demonstrated via the pictures, using VNC from my mobile would allow me to check the status of my KaZaA downloads or check my email for my latest RIAA subpoena!
Mike
I thought it was illegal to encrypt over wireless connections... just for speech, I guess? Irregardless, I'd definently wipe this off the phone before travelling abroad just in case.
I can see the ssh client being semi-useful, but the screen is just too small to do anything much with VNC. This is one of the advantages of *nix imho, anything you can do in the gui, you're likely to be able to do on the command line. More often than not faster too.
There's so many uses for this; if you've got SSH on a mobile, the possibilites are endless. If you can remotely log into any of your other networked machines then you can do all kinds of things from a sufficiently sophisticated mobile. Just imagine what you could do as a journalist or undercover Amnesty International worker!
Bash script for FP whores
A cellphone is less useful than a dumb VT100 terminal. Granted, you can't carry the terminal around, but if people would build a simple 80x25 screen with a tiny keyboard,that gets a login prompt from the service provider, that could be the most useful innovation since sliced bread.
Building intelligence into the client, but making data-input difficult, and not using standard protocols - seems a huge waste of money and bandwidth.
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If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
"We didn't have room for a phone."
You can now shoot me for making a Spy Kids reference.
Slashdotter are stupid and biased.
The company I work for, Idokorro Mobile, has a working client (in beta) for the Nokia 3650 & 6800. Cool stuff.
I think I'd break my phone out of frustration long before I got logged in.
is something that makes cheap use of these remote use programs quite a pain for anything except emergency(that and the small screen too). much more convinient to have programs that have the interface on the phone..
irc and others are nice to have on phone though, gprs pricing usually ends up being cheaper than calling or sending sms messages too(if you can arrange the other person to be on irc as well).
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world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
I love it!!!!
We've been trying to get a Compaq Ipaq working with VNC over the GPRS network here in the UK for a while now. Unfortunately, O2 our provider, is doing something crazy with NAT which breaks our ability to form a VNC connection. This was supposed to be my team's support device to take down the pub with them when they were on out of hours support but...
Anyone know of clients of similar sorts that will run on a Series 60 Symbian phone? I've been looking around but the VNC clients that I located refused to run on the phone after installing the package.
My Samsung phone has had a Java VNC client for quite some time already, odd that this would make news. Though that phone looks nicer than mine
...but how do you hack scripts in Vi with a funky cell-phone kepad? And maybe someone will implement TXT compatible shell expansion?
It's a cool idea whose time has come, but I think it'll be an emergency tool rather than a new way to work.
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
i have used this putty port for a while, but i am now using the telnet/ssh client by mochasoft, commercial, but functioning way better than the basic putty port listed in the article.
http://www.mochasoft.dk/nokia.html#telnet800
Someone could also port NoMachine (GPL), it already runs on Zaurus and iPAQ Linux:
http://www.nomachine.com/documentation.php
It runs really nice on slow links.
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Screen Shot 1 - SSH Client
Screen Shot 2 - SSH Client
VNC Viewer
www.slightlycrewed.com - Because aren't we all?
I can hear it now, "No no, I'm just a VERY fast typist...really."
Apparantly the P800 also runs apache, the screenshots are being served from there aswell...
The first mobile phone casualty of slashdotting, *sigh*
Instant Karma's gonna get you Gonna look you right in the face -- John Lennon
i know its trendy to knock on sites getting slashdotted fast, but damn, 15 comments and this thing was crawling? They running their webserver off a p800 too?
I am just about to order the T-Mobile Sidekick (a.k.a. the Danger Hiptop). It has an actual keyboard, and an ssh client is promised (a beta is available with the SDK, which is available through the developers program).
Would this app (which it seems is only for that Ericsson phone) be that much more a killer app if it were done in J2ME and be available on MANY different platforms? Or is that possible given the J2ME graphics library? Surely the SSH client would be doable.
Is something I wanted for a long time... I dunno how many times someone called me when I'm on my way to work (1,5 hour drive) saying "uh Henric... I think something happened to the server, we'll pay your speeding tickets"...
;) (and no, of course it woulden't be as good to use a laptop with cellular as a modem, d'oh)
No more of that
http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:1YFn2BTRHYgJ: dreo.org/p800/putty/
If the page goes down again.
lol
lol which moderator is going crazy with the "Redundant" mods today?? so did anyone mirror the screenshots before they died?
'Nuff said
I guess it's your provider. Came through no problemo. Just to let you know. No reply required....
I've been SSHing on my Samsung (PalmOS - with TGssh) for a couple of months now . . . it's a freaking godsend - no more macerena of cell-phone, palm, blackberry and laptop.
now if it just had an mp3 player . . .
ActiveViewer is the first VNC client for J2ME-enabled handsets. It works on pretty much anything, from Siemens handsets to Blackberry pagers and color-screen Nokia 7650/3650. Razvan
One month ago I was hiking in the mountains (on Corsica) and it was quite useful to be able to login on my server at home while staying in a mountain refuge at 3000m altitude. Every gram counts on such travels, and I would never be able to take a 80x25 screen with me.
Also what do you mean "not using standard protocol"? SSH is as standard as it gets when you want to have a secure login on a UNIX server.
I used to use VNC on my Psion 5mx through the Java VNC viewer. I did experiment using the IR link on my mobile phone to my Psion a few times to check e-mail with pine in an xterm. I upgraded to a Palm Zire71 after my Psion died and VNC is the one thing I'm missing most. If I get a bluetooth phone, I'll probably buy a bluetooth upgrade for my Palm (if one gets releases) to use VNC on my Palm rather than get a phone with the display built in.
Omnis amans amens
I used to do this with my nokia's infrared to my visor and used PalmVNC to VNC in from my cell phone. This is a little less bulky of a solution, since it only requires the cellphone.
What I'd like is a phone that acts as it's own modem. With all the cell phones I've owned, it was possible to dial up with externel equipment, but the phone itself had no dial up networking, just the expensive internet the phone company offers.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
Another nice feature would be line-oriented mode, so i dont have to pay for every keystroke plus headers travelling thru my GPRS provider.
Palm VNC client and TopGun SSH are a bit of a strain on the phone's CPU, but still usable -- even over a dialup connection. It comes in handy if I need to access my servers when I'm away from my desk.
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Dasher could be just the thing, it's great fun to play with too->
http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/
I forget what 8 was for.
... on the Nokia 9210 (or 9290 for those in the US) for some time... both VNC and SSH ports have been available for (as far as I remember) over a year... ssh.com used to do a client too, but I can't see it on their site any more... I've found the ssh client very useful, e.g. it means I can set a task (e.g. a long compile) going, leave, then check up on it later from wherever I happen to be...
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How about this being broken to begin with by having the private key on the cellphone that can be retrieved from the evil empire that is known as the phone company :)
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Jack M.
neat, was that the virus going around a while ago? You're out of luck since most /. users use *nix
Let the port begins..
I'v been running TopGun SSH for years on my 3Com Palm Pilot. Originally, I ran it over CDPD with a Minstrel, although entering shell commands via Grafiti was painful. With my Treo 300, I now have a "real" keyboard and unlimited data so I can use it without worrying about how many packets are sent back and forth.
-- http://www.swcp.com/~hudson/
It is bad enough driving with everyone and his ass talking on cell phones and not paying proper attention to the road. Now some geek will run my ass over while he is trying to hack my server.
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I have a Kyocera 7135, and had a 6035. Both can do ssh sessions with a palm ssh client. You can use the grafiti input to send commands, not as nice as a keyboard, but I can use that a lot faster than one of those small thumb keyboards. There's also a vnc client, works alright if you're on 1rxtt network, not so good with just standard dial up (or atleast not when you have a 2480x768 X session). Not the most beautiful view, but if you need it, it works.
i was doing this 5 years ago with a palm pilot, IR and an ericsson modem phone...very useful.
This is really exciting! Although PocketPC OS devices have been able to do terminal services for a while now, which is quite fun to do-- especially when combined with a compactflash wifi card.. although over GSM its not bad too bad either :)
...unfortunately no one can be told what The Mat^H^H^HGoatse is...they must experience it for themselves...
I have a Treo 270 using a GPRS network, allowing for near ISDN speeds for network connections. Like other users that have posted, i regularly use a combination of TopGun SSH and Mergic VPN for getting into my corporate network when away from a computer.
From my experience, due to limited screen real estate, it's really hard to do very complex actions via this combination. However, in a pinch,
you can access a mission critical box and perform a restart of a service. With praticalities aside though, it's super cool to have this type of power in the palm of your hand (no pun intended).
I've also used VNC for the Treo using the same VPN tunneling and it's very hard to use due to bandwith restrictions.
uh no you fucking moron, actually about 80% of slashdot is windows.
I've been doing ssh from my 9210 for ages.
VNC, not sure how useful with such a small screen
Leonid Mamtchenkov
Thank you, good sir.
Gosh, you can't even go on vacation without your server calling you! What?! You want me to fix sendmail from Bora-Bora? I can see my cell phone skipping across the water now. :)
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Is the killer app I'm waiting for. I just need some money to buy a portable computing device.
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come on, a comment several lines above has all this stuff with links. I myself hacked together a system to send command by SMS->email, execute it and retrieve results by www->SMS, about 4 years ago.
Some M2 please show those who trolled the above down that what's beyond their tiny imagination may actually be true.
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...when you can have sex with your mare through your cellular phone!
This is a fantastic idea, but as the developers pointed out... it's a bit frustrating without the ability to CTRL + ESC.
So... the chat keyboard should work:
Chat Keyboard @ Sony Ericsson
The Sony Ericssons use the same interface as all prior Ericsson phones, and whilst they haven't updated the site accordingly, I do have my old accessories for my T29 running smoothly on my T610... namely my old data transfer cable (for syncing contacts with Outlook).
I believe that the chat keyboard above should work fine with the P800... thus solving the input method.
Does anyone have the keyboard? Can you confirm if the extra keys are on it? Maybe the developers can use key combinations (if the interfaces expose them) to emulate the CTRL and ESC keys.
None of whom have a P800, I'll warrant. I do (I develop for it), and the screen is plenty big enough for VNC and SSH, especially if the VNC client supports landscape mode. Hell, if it doesn't, I might help it along.
Don't knock the P800 until you've tried it. With a decent browser in landscape mode (Opera or Picsel) it's also an acceptable web browser.
Now, would you non-P800 luser please get off the site so that I can grab the files? ;-P
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
Mochasoft's answer to the ctrl-key problem is to have a row of buttons at the bottom (Ctrl Esc Fx F1x) - for Ctrl-C you hit the Ctrl button and then write a 'c'. It works pretty well.
I'd much rather use putty but it is pretty difficult to use without modifier keys.
http://www.mochasoft.dk/
I haven't used ssh over a cellphone but I can immediately see the advantages of being able to do so. While VNC and Windows Terminal services are surely easier to use, in general, with the omnidirectional toggle switch on most phones, the bandwidth is a pig and the small screen obviously doesn't make it easier to use. This would be definitely an emergeancy tool for those services. ssh however, being more lightweight would be very useful for sysadmins on call or other types of similar work.
What would be a real boon without having to tote around a thumbboard or other similar paraphenalia would be an ssh client on the phone where certain keys or kombinations of keys were mapped to often used CLI commands or where the Nokia (and many similar phones) menu key in combination with the omnidirectional toggle could access the commonly used commands. An example:
Start ssh session
menu key->toggle key to "netstat" (optionally with switches)-> menu key accept->phone displays network info.
Ok, it was not in colour, and very slow (9600 baud) but it worked !
Symbian is the most intolerant OS it has ever been my mispleasure to develop for. I managed to get a KERN-EXEC out of the putty client with 4 taps. Hey, that's not alpha, that's ready to ship!
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
they not running the website on their Ericson cellphones, cause its already /.ed
Wow! I hope that means i can play nethack thru ssh on my cell phone! (at www.antisymmetric.com for example)
P800 is nothing else than Psion computer married with gsm. It uses Symbian OS, which is different name for Psion OS. Working versions of SSH for Psion were published years ago, so adopting them into P800 or Nokia 7650 was a matter of time.
BTW with existing port of Nethack for Psion5 (http://dales.rmplc.co.uk/Duncan/Nethack.htm) porting it to P800 itself shouldn't be hard.
This Is Not a Sig
... and is looking for a way to imput control charactors in the interface.
I think we need better ways to input the correct characters on our current interfaces first.
University - a box of academia nuts.
See the hiptop at http://www.danger.com ..
Developers have access to other applications that are not installed on the phone by default (but soon will be available for anyone to download over the wire). Included is an SHH client which not only takes full advantage of the keyboard and color screen, but also has really smart key mappings for CTRL etc.. making emacs quite useable (meta is still a problem though).
Slickest thing to show off on that phone, works really well, definitely got some slack jaws from the sysadmin on that one.
This stuff being showed is just ridiculous in comparision, definite step backwards.
Given a moderately good screen, and a moderately fast network, such a tool could be darn useful. I'd say slap a decent GUI on these existing tools and you could get a lot done.
PHEM - party like it's 1997-2003!
I could really use something like this! I am getting tired of having to find a workstation, download a ssh client, and then login to my server to check logs. Being on the road alot I think that this would be wonderful. The problem though is the keyboard. If they came out with a folding keyboard kinda like the palm keyboard, that would be great. I could open it up, and bam. I'm in, I check my logs, edit the backup schedule, etc. and I'm out.
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I wonder if there is any way to access the audio side of these mobile phones and develop a secure voice-over-IP phone. Since these phones already do GSM compression, I wonder if the compressed audio is accessable from a program. Secure voice on the PC is too clunky...I love speakfreely, but it's just not as handy as using a telephone.
Ok, so right now its only for the developer builds, but it will be released by the end of the summer. I run the developer OS builds on my hiptop every day. The ssh client is AWSOME! It is even easy to use because of the qwerty keyboard. If some one has some space on a server I can send some screen shots.
for quite some time...
Wow, I should not post when knackered.
What a bunch of fucking geeks....tell me, do you people get a big chubby from seeing this kind of news?
The Nokia 9000 series has been able to do both SSH and VNC for a very long time now. They're always on ebay for $40-150.
s ecure.com/wireless/symbian/nokia-ssh .shtml
http://www.mgroeber.de/nokia.htm
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Nobody's ever heard of these cellfones cause they have a true 640x240 display- very bulky obviously. I've switched to a Hiptop, but I sorely miss having VNC and a readable screen.
Would using bluetooth create a gaping security hole in your otherwise secure connection to your server? How easy would it be for somebody to monitor your keystrokes and snag your password from thin air?
If you have a Danger Hiptop (T-Mobile Sidekick), the developer's kit has a SSH client in it.
While I may be the Homer Simpson-jumping-out-of-a-police-car-to-chase-Marge type and don't do a lot of hiking or climbing, I agree with this 100%.
Turn the damn thing off, or chuck it off the mountain top.
ActiveViewer, a VNC viewer for J2ME enabled phones has been out for quite a while now. I'm not so familiar with SSH on J2ME but I imagine it's been done before. Last I checked, many SmartPhones support MIDP midlets. Hell, I used ActiveViewer from my non-smart tiny little Sanyo 8100. What makes this product unique enough to warrant a news posting on slashdot?
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Funny, I've been doing this for almost a year now with my Treo 300 using PalmVNC and TGSSH.
and how are you charging your battery on these long treks...
Surely the ping time over a mobile phone would make SSH horrible to use. If you've tried to use SSH whilst maxing out your modem, you'll know what I mean.
Anyone got any numbers for this?
Symbian is a great OS; I hope they'll not just keep shipping cell phone combos but also get back into the handheld market: they beat PPC and PalmOS hands down in just about every respect.
Scott Moore at i330.nopdesign.com has had a site that includes an ssh app and a full screen VNC app. for about 7 months. You can also get a phone skins, grafitti skins, and a text messaging hack there as well.
I happened to wander into the Sony Store on Michigan Avenue in Chicago a couple of weeks ago, and they had racks full of 128Mb Memory Stick Duos. I bought one immediately, of course. Bad news? They're $89.99 each.
--Larry
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence
First of all thank you for mentioning p800.info in your news-article. The fact that thousands and thousands were downloading the screenshots and were visiting the mentioned sites, the server was under heavy load and could not serve all request.
To the topic: putty for the P800 is useless due to the fact that special characters like CTRL and ESC can't be used. Mocha Telnet is a fully functional Telnet/SSH-Client. Unfortunately not freeware.
A tip for the use of VNC under Windows 2000/XP: Use the Tight-VNC-server and open the properties dialog of the programfile WinVNC.exe and choose the "Compatibility" tab. Check "Use 256 colors", "Execute with a resolution of 640x480" and "Disable visual designs" (or however those are called in the English Windows version). This makes it much faster. Don't use it over GPRS or you'll damn the day you get the next phone bill...
Regards
Jean-Pierre Bergamin
http://www.p800.info
...here - Looks like the new v3.0 now supports ssh2 rather than just ssh1.
The best ssh client for small Palm OS devices, IMO.
just for the 'way I'm cool' factor
So that means I can use it to telnet to blinkenlights.nl and watch Star Wars Episode IV - "A New Hope"?
My zaurus, running OpenZaurus, came with a terminal and the ssh command.
If I was stuck with a phone as a terminal, I'd probably write a curses script like this one to give me functionality without typing on such a painfully slow keyboard.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
Swedish company AppGate develops a commercial software that enables SSH-tuneled access to intranets for Ericsson P800 cell phones.
9 years old Nokia Communicator 9000 features VNC for 4 years. SSH is available only for 2 years old Nokia 9210 but I am using telnet of Nokia 9000i to my own GSM gate and therefore I am trusting just my GSM operator while using CHAP-protected cleartext PPP.
Nothing new in the world of Communicator-aware people. :-)
I use SSH from my palm + motorola t260 and it's almost perfect combo. Unfortunately, GPRS is exceptionally slow (2000-3000 ms average ping time) and GPRS drains phone battery quickly, but it's enough to kill/restart process or shutdown a server. I see no sense in making phone-only terminal without full keyboard.