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Masters of Doom

kevin42 writes "Everyone who was into computers 10 years ago knows about Doom. Less people are familiar with Wolf3D, and even fewer people ever played any of the Commander Keen games. But those of us who played them when they were cutting edge games couldn't wait for what would come next. To hard-core gamers, these games were amazing, and important. The change came with DOOM; suddenly everyone was interested in this groundbreaking game." Kevin reviews below David Kushner's Masters of Doom. Masters of Doom author David Kushner pages 352 publisher Random House rating Excellent! reviewer Kevin Bentley ISBN 0375505245 summary How two guys created an empire and transformed pop culture.

Virtual reality was the craze of the time, and Doom offered a glimpse into what it was all about. But this innovative game did not come from any of the "big" video game developers of the time, and it was not the built by a large team with huge resources. Although it was the product of many people's efforts, it was primarily the creative genius of two people, both named John.

John Carmack and John Romero are names that every self-respecting Slashdot reader knows. Carmack even posts here occasionally (hi John!). Until I read this book, I knew very little about the personal life of Carmack, and I thought I probably knew too much about Romero. Like many, I have been intrigued by their successes (and failures), and was interested in learning more about what makes them tick.

Masters of Doom starts off with a chapter for each John, telling stories from their childhood that made me realize they were just typical American kids, with the same kind of problems that many of us probably had. These are important chapters, and the author repeatedly references these stories throughout the book. Although the book chronologically covers the entire lives of the two Johns, most of the book details their working years, from their time at Softdisk until now.

This is where the book was most interesting to me. The details of the camaraderie that existed among the team made me feel like I was there. The author got a lot of his information from personal interviews with people, and it really shows in his writing style. First-person accounts are woven together so you get to know what each person was thinking while the story plays out. For instance when the id team met with Sierra On-Line in 1992, you get first-person impressions from both sides of the meeting, giving the reader a lot of insight that you would ordinarily never get.

For me, the book's climax was during the initial releases of Doom, when huge checks were pouring in. Things were going really well for the team at this point, and the book describes things like John C. and John R. dropping off a check for five million dollars at the bank's drive-through, while riding in one of their Ferraris. Although things were looking great for the team at this time, the future really held turmoil and disappointment.

The only negative comment I have about this book is not really a criticism of the book itself, or even the author. I believe the story was accurate, and while it didn't have any shocking new information, it left me feeling sad to see such a powerful combination of talent break apart because of personality conflict, and sad at the thought that Carmack seemed to be losing interest in id Software. The book does mention Carmack's current interests in rocketry (which are even more exciting to me than his games), and Romero seems to have settled into a life he is enjoying, but the mood of the book seemed very depressing to me in the end.

Anyone who is a gamer or a self-taught programmer like Carmack and Romero would enjoy this book. The book does not require the reader to know much about games or computer programming, but I suspect it might be uninteresting to people who aren't either gamers or interested in computers. To the average Slashdot reader though, I would definitely recommend this book.

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  1. I remember that... by qat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ah yes the good 'ol days, playing "Ultimate Doom" and "Heretic" on a 28.8 dialup. I miss those days :( Now you have to worry about some kidiot with an aimbot and wallhacks getting ready to AWP your ass through wall.

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    1. Re:I remember that... by yamcha666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I still have original copies of Doom, Wolf3D, and a handful of Commander Keen, 'cept I always have troubling running the games on my Win2k and WinXP computers. Sometimes the games won't run period, or there will be missing sound (for example).

      My friend's got it worse on Win98 - He can play the games for a good 1/2 before he bluescreens.

      I know this may be off-topic to the story, but does anyone have quick tips on how to play these DOS-age games on modern day OS's and hardware?

    2. Re:I remember that... by Fryed · · Score: 5, Informative

      The first thought that comes to my mind is probably not the easiest solution, and I must admit I haven't tried it before, so I don't know for sure that it'll work, but it might be worth trying...

      Install Bochs, and install a version of DOS onto that (I wonder if FreeDOS will work?) This will insure that the game is running on the OS it was really designed for (particularly if you use an old copy of MS-DOS rather than FreeDOS), and it will keep the game from trying to run too fast, since the emulation overhead will slow it down a bit. I think Bochs also includes a way to forcibly slow the CPU down even further if necessary.

      Anyone have any experience trying this setup? I'm curious as to how well it would work...

    3. Re:I remember that... by chibiyoukai · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, as far as Doom goes, there is a Windows port of LSDLDoom that uses LibSDL for graphics. Everything except for Midi (because I'm too lazy to get it to work) works great under WinXP. As an added bonus, you're not limited to the 320x240 that the original Dos version had.

    4. Re:I remember that... by skyjake · · Score: 2, Informative
      For playing Doom (and Heretic/Hexen), I think the Doomsday Engine is the best solution.

      Of course, I'm a bit biased.

    5. Re:I remember that... by I(rispee_I(reme · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ports of the doom engine to win32 (and other architectures) can be found at www.newdoom.com. I recommend ZDOOM, it keeps the flavor of the original doom (i.e. uses sprites instead of 3d models), but adds TCP/IP play, high resolution output, and a veritable cornucopia of other features.

    6. Re:I remember that... by noisehole · · Score: 4, Informative

      emulators/vm's are always the best sollution. since source for those old id games have been released in the past, there are a bunch of implementations.

      and if there aren't any (like for the old commander keen games, iirc), give VDMSound a shot (under nt4/w2k/xp) http://ntvdm.cjb.net/

      and some old dos games refuse to run at all under modern os's (eg weird memory manager), so have a look at http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/, and if that fails too, use bochs/vmware.

      btw, i remember an old feature of doom v1.666 or something. you had to build an ipx network of 3 dos boxes and could play on all three. one screen for 90 leftview, on center and one right. woah!

    7. Re:I remember that... by Jim+Hall · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know this may be off-topic to the story, but does anyone have quick tips on how to play these DOS-age games on modern day OS's and hardware?

      Since this is slashdot, you really should be using Linux. :-)

      Use DOSEmu and FreeDOS. We have some screenshots on the FreeDOS site of playing these great old DOS games using DOSEmu:

      Or, if you have a Mac, you might use VirtualPC:

  2. Pffft .... Commander Keen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't try to rewrite history! Wolf 3D and Doom were great games, but Commander Keen stunk day one.

    1. Re:Pffft .... Commander Keen by Blaine+Hilton · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Now you have me trying to think of it, I played that game to you are talking about. I think it took place in a jungle or something. I found the shareware version at http://www.apogee1.com/keen1/

    2. Re:Pffft .... Commander Keen by Khomar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I recall correctly, Commander Keen was amazing breakthrough because of the smoothness of the graphics. I remember its frame rate was very high for the time (40 per second?) making the game very responsive and smooth for a PC game. It was a technical breakthrough not necessarily a great triumph of gameplay design.

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      I believe in de-evolution. God made the world perfect, man fell, and its been going downhill ever since!

    3. Re:Pffft .... Commander Keen by Eideewt · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's about it. Carmack came up with the smooth scrolling routine, and when he showed it to Tom Hall, they decided to play a prank. By 5 AM, they had recreated the first level of Super Mario 3. It was called Dangerous Dave in Copyright Infringement.

  3. lacks talent by craigtay · · Score: 5, Informative

    While this book was a nice read for me, it would have been terrible for most. It was written very poorly. The only thing that kept me going was learning all the little things about the people who created doom that I didn't know before. I struggled through some parts of it, and was almost embaressed by others. Great read for those who are interested in the subject, but for people who have a passing interest.. I suggest looking elesewhere.

    1. Re:lacks talent by DiS[EnDeR] · · Score: 5, Funny

      Was reading this like going to theme park at the age of 10 and riding the tea-cups realising after about a minute that your way past the age you should be riding the tea cups?

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      Harder.. Better.. Faster.. Stronger
    2. Re:lacks talent by jandrese · · Score: 2, Funny

      Teacups don't get fun until you get enough older kids in there to get it spinning so fast that nobody can move their arms to the wheel in the center anymore. As a kid they were always kinda lame, but now they're centripetally delicious.

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      I read the internet for the articles.
  4. One of the things I find annoying... by gfxguy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    is that first person shooters after Doom were called "doom like" instead of "Wolfenstein3D like."

    I suppose "doom" is easier to say, but it doesn't give credit to the real first, the one that opened the floodgates.

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    Stupid sexy Flanders.
    1. Re:One of the things I find annoying... by Epistax · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are as much Doom and Wolfenstein3D like as Snood is Tetris like. It's just a genre given a recognizable term. Many more people know the name Doom than Wolfenstein, even with this latest Return to Castle Wolfenstein thing. I've hear "Quake style" all the time now. Is there a reason we can't say FPS?

      When I am describing a game and relate it to another game as oppose to a genre, I actually mean it. If I say a game is Unreal Tournament style, I mean it is cartoonish in graphics, more focused on gameplay than reality (wild and crazy), etc. If something is GTA like (oh don't anyone dare call this a regular FPS) I mean it's open-world'd, fun just do to random things in, etc.

      Bad spelling is not an indication of bad thought, it's just not wanting to take the time to post into a word processor.

    2. Re:One of the things I find annoying... by pcardoso · · Score: 2, Insightful

      or really, Ultima Underworld-like.. Of course it's another type of game, but the 3d concept was there first.

    3. Re:One of the things I find annoying... by coreytamas · · Score: 5, Interesting

      One reason I think Doom stands above Wolf as the real father of first person shooter games is because it broke ground with internet multiplayer "deathmatch" type gaming that you could actually use. Many, if not most modern FPS games promote multiplayer as at least half of the product, and in that sense Doom is actually a front-runner.

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    4. Re:One of the things I find annoying... by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 4, Interesting
      "I suppose "doom" is easier to say, but it doesn't give credit to the real first, the one that opened the floodgates."

      The first, of course, would be Ultima Underworld from Looking Glass Studios which made it out the door just before wolf3d. That game still kicks some major booty even today.

    5. Re:One of the things I find annoying... by cje · · Score: 4, Informative

      In terms of the game engine, there's not a lot of comparison between Doom and Wolf3D. The Wolf3D engine was primitive compared to Doom; most of the rooms were essentially large squares or rectangles, the lighting was pretty static, the list of enemies was pretty limited, and all of the levels were flat. Compare that to Doom, with its sectors of (basically) arbitrary shape and size, its introduction of sector height so that you could create staircases, trenches, walls, etc., its vastly-improved lighting capabilities, its vast array of special line types, its long list of monster types, etc.

      Wolf3D was a ground-breaking game, but not nearly as ground-breaking as Doom was. Hell, I think I have more fun playing the original Castle Wolfenstein and Beyond Castle Wolfenstein from the early 1980s. :-)

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    6. Re:One of the things I find annoying... by varslot · · Score: 2, Funny

      "...Is there a reason we can't say FPS?..."

      Yes. The reason is that there are no vowels.

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      There arises from a bad and unapt formation of words a wonderful obstruction to the mind. (Francis Bacon)
    7. Re:One of the things I find annoying... by jemfinch · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Doom and Wolfenstein 3D were vastly technologically different. Whereas Wolfenstein 3D was tile-based, had nothing but orthogonal angles and no height, Doom had varying angles, varying heights, stairs, elevators, and all sorts of other niceties that Wolfenstein 3D never had.

      First Person shooters after Doom were called "Doom like" because "Wolfenstein 3D like" wouldn't have done them justice. It simply wasn't in the same technological arena.

      Jeremy

    8. Re:One of the things I find annoying... by Jonner · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's true. The original brochures (or textfile equivalents) for Wolf3D compared it to Ultima Underworld (The Stygian Abyss), saying that Wolf3D was smoother. The animation was smoother and somewhat more immersive, but the 3D engine in UU was more advanced in a number of ways. Like Doom, the floor plan could have any polygonal shape, rather than all square. It had some 3D objects, rather than all flat sprites. The map designs were more flexible than Doom in that there were bridges and sloped floors.

      Ultima Underworld was probably the first game with a textured, first person 3D view. However, it was not a "first person shooter." I would call it a real time, first person, hack 'n slash adventure game, since it combined features from several game genres.

  5. Changed My World by Bruha · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I was in High School my teacher knew some people over at ID and we got to alpha and beta test Doom in computer club. I remember the still monsters and walls you would fall through and the numerous crashes we would have. Even then the game was a total blast.

  6. It's not necessarily the breakup that saddens me.. by NotAnotherReboot · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I believe the story was accurate, and while it didn't have any shocking new information, it left me feeling sad to see such a powerful combination of talent break apart"

    It saddens me that Romero ever made Daikatana. Perhaps the greatest disaster ever witnessed by man could have been avoided.

  7. Negative part of the book by LordoftheFrings · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How can the fact that the two Johns split up be a negative part of the book. I mean, would the book be better if it WEREN'T accurate, and lied about it? Of course not. That is just how things worked out, so I think it can hardly be seen as a negative aspect of the book.

  8. if you are into this .... by camilita · · Score: 4, Informative

    ..kind of "archeological" gaming you can always read the pretty decent The Ultimate History of Video Games

    1. Re:if you are into this .... by stopbit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is a great book! It is where I learned that Coleco stood for Colorado Leather Company was not a foreign name!

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  9. pretty good read by kisrael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It was a pretty good read.

    Interesting seeing how badly PCs lagged consoles in terms of gaming...the sidescrolling of Commander Keen was considered a technical breakthru, even though it started as a demo level of Mario Bros 3 as a proof-of-concept, and was basically the same thing the NES had been doing since the mid-early 80s...in fact, it was a while until PCs could play games that the C=64 and Apple II could, never mind the Amiga and Atari ST.

    DOOM and, possibly to a lesser extent, Wing Commander really put the PC ahead of the consoles (at least for many genres) for a long while. I think the tide has turned now. (though YMMV depending on what genres you like--I'm just very glad not to have to worry about 3D cards and compatability and what not.)

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  10. Commander Keen cutting edge? by Malc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't recall Commander Keen being cutting edge. Maybe in the PC world where scrolling was an issue. To me it seemed like a fairly second rate platform game compared with what I'd come to expect from other platforms over the preceding yeard. Talking of scrolling... I wish I could find my copy of Xenon II Megablast. I wonder if it will run at the correct speed on my more modern hardware.

  11. How about an interview? by phorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The first thing that popped in my head was that it would be great to talk to either (or better both) John's about what it took to become the programmers/designers they are, how they got involved in the wave of revolutionary games, and how it changed their lives.

    Strangely enough, /. searched showed no results for either Carmack or Romero (in case such an interview has already occurred)... but perhaps it's just being buggy. As somebody who is greatly interested in such things (hell, the games are why I started coding initially) it would be great to hear straight from the "Johns" about their experiences, mistakes, and successes.

  12. The first 3D game I ever played was Deathmaze 5000 by maynard · · Score: 3, Informative

    Deathmaze 5000 by Med Systems Software, which ran on the original TRS-80 with stunning 128x48 black and white graphics. It was a maze game with overlapping corridors and horrible traps to kill you with. Most fun for a pre-teen/teen. They also put out a game called Asylum which ran on the TRS-80 and other 8-bit computers of that era. Pretty amazing that even back in 1980 or so people were pushing hardware in the attempt to display realistic 3D graphics. I absolutely loved these games. And if we're going to talk about 8-bit Trash 80 games, one can't forget Big Five Software - the originator of popular arcade clones written in hand assembly for the TRS-80. These guys were my heros as a kid. No, really! --M

  13. I don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    John Carmack and John Romero are names that every self-respecting Slashdot reader knows.

    I'm having trouble understanding everything after the 'every' and before the 'knows.'

    I feel so dirty posting this.

  14. Quality in every drop by Wrexen · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Kevin reviews below David Kushner's Masters of Doom"

    Slashdot editors are construction masters of sentences.

    1. Re:Quality in every drop by mz001b · · Score: 2, Funny
      "Kevin reviews below David Kushner's Masters of Doom"

      Oh! He card reads good.
      --Homer

  15. What's doom? by acarr0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm still playing rouge and hack.

  16. Game vision personal enough to be universal .... by leoaugust · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think that it is surprising that beloved games like DOOM are the product of the vision of a small group of people.

    Games that really do engage us, do so at a very primal level. There is something about the game that has to click, and release your anandamides ... This syncronization of what you feel when you play the game and what the developer wanted you to feel is more pure, like it is in art, when this vicarious "anandamide" is personal ... so personal that it becomes universal ....

    Corporations with big departments will create a lot of good games, but I believe the purity of the intensely personal experience can come only when the vision is personal, and concentrated in a few people rather than diffused ...

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  17. New improved ending for slashbots! by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Noone ever made a game called Daikatana. Quake 3 Arena was pulled before release when it was decided that it was just a cheap cash grab! RTCW was released without crippling bugs that made it unplayable on Radeon cards, and Doom 3 runs on mainstream hardware and was released in the first quarter of 2003.

    The Johns stay together, get married, and live happily ever after!

    The End.

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    1. Re:New improved ending for slashbots! by RatBastard · · Score: 2, Funny
      The Johns stay together, get married, and live happily ever after!

      I think I read a fan-fic where that happened. It was very disturbing.

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      Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
    2. Re:New improved ending for slashbots! by DeltaSigma · · Score: 2

      Q3 ended up being of much greater interest to modders than your average gamer. I admit Quake 3, the game, had numerous flaws and drawbacks. However, Quake 3, the engine, is being improved on a daily basis, we're making a lot of cool things happen.

      It's sort of like in Q2 when you got bored of what it had to offer, you found some mods and started enjoying yourself again.

      Q3 is like that, except you start out bored. You pretty much immediately have to find a mod.

    3. Re:New improved ending for slashbots! by mnemonic_ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Quake 3 a cheap cash grab? Well thousands of people still play Q3 deathmatch, so there must be some value in its gameplay. RTCW ran fine on Radeon 8500s. And Doom 3 ran fine on a Geforce 3 on a 1GHz G4, now we're 2 graphics card generations ahead, with a third likely coming before Doom 3's release.

  18. Good ol' days by OneIsNotPrime · · Score: 5, Funny

    28.8 dial up? You call that the Good ol' days? You little whippersnappers don't know nothin' about the good ol' days.

    When I was your age, all we had was seven computers in the whole world, five of them were in Nigeria, and they were connected by old loops of string. Instead of packets, you had to put a color coded ribbon on it and pull the string for 60 hours until the ribbon got to the other guy. Then he had to manually enter the data into his computer via punchcards and smoke signals, and we liked it that way!

    We didn't have no fancy 3D engines, or even 2D, all we had was 1 dimensional games, lines with broken spaces in between and you had to pretend the long ones were space cowboys and the short ones were mutant trolls. It took 84 hours of processing time to draw 1 pixel, and we liked it that way!

    You spoiled bratts and your instant messaging eDoom 7.0++ with real time anti-aliased bitmaps don't know nuthin about the good ol' days.

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  19. Re:Cheaper at Amazon!! by sinjayde · · Score: 3, Informative
  20. Re:Cheaper at Amazon!! by RevDobbs · · Score: 5, Funny

    Enter the latest in Trolling techniques: "It's cheaper at Amazon!"

    I guess the best reply is:
    "You must be new here! We don't buy from Amazon."

  21. mod parent up by kurosawdust · · Score: 4, Funny
    Precisely: very poor writing + very interesting subject = good book despite the prose.

    My favorite snippet (paraphrasing): "It was 1991, and John Romero wanted to program in a hot new programming language called 'C'." (emphasis mine)

  22. Re:It's not necessarily the breakup that saddens m by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Funny
    "It saddens me that Romero ever made Daikatana. Perhaps the greatest disaster ever witnessed by man could have been avoided."

    Obviously you have never seen the movie "Gigli" .

  23. Personally, I always preferred... by Ratphace · · Score: 2, Interesting


    ...Rise of the Triad, which I found 10 times more entertaining and fun in a PVP type environment (they called it commbat mode or something close to that).

    Even more entertaining was the one expansion they made to ROTT where El Oscuro was not dead and you had to go at him again, only this time it was a LOT harder than the first time, which was no cake walk. :)

    Having things like ludicrous gibs and the funny things the characters would say when they got gibs was neat too. Not to mention, the first game that let you pick a character that you wanted to play, and each character had it's unique starting stats like hitpoints, accuracy, etc.

    All in all, my favorite FPS games rank like this:

    1.) ROTT
    2.) Blake Stone
    3.) Wolfenstein 3D
    4.) Doom/Heretic


    ROTT gave the very first totally friendly map maker, not to mention one that would randomly generate maps you could compete with. The CD was loaded with all kinds of goodies..

    Fun to look back and reflect on the time spent playing the true classics...

  24. IDDQD by Malicious · · Score: 5, Funny
    IDDQD
    IDKFA

    I am the master of doom.

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  25. Re:less vs fewer by gregarican · · Score: 4, Funny

    Actually it's spelled "flour" for the cooking ingrediant there Shakespeare. Maybe you should check yourself there G...

  26. Re:less vs fewer by ag3n7 · · Score: 2, Funny

    [Grammar Nazi = ON] Less is used for amounts of a continuous stuff, fewer is for discrete items or people. For instance, you would use less flower in the next batch of brownies to serve fewer people. If you can count them, use fewer. [/Grammar Nazi]

    [Grammar Nazi = ON]

    Flower is used when describing a things that are planted in the group with stems and petals. Flour is used as a baking ingredient, often in brownies.

    [/Grammar Nazi]

  27. Not the first, not the second... by Jagasian · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wrong again! Wolf 3D wasn't the first or second first-person-shooter game. The first game in the genre was Battlezone which was released in the arcades in 1980. It had everything that a first person shooter needs. The game is 3D and the player's view is first-person. Your objective is to navigate through the 3D world and shoot things, blow them up, and kill stuff.

    Battlezone was huge when it was released, and the USA military was even working with Atari to make a version that could be used to train their recruits.

    Here is the KLOV listing for Battlezone. Definitely a classic that younger gamers should familiarize themselves with. However, I still to this day play Quakeworld (Quake 1 with efficient network protocol), and I believe it is the zenith of FPS games. After 1996, FPS games have been completely derivative.

    1. Re:Not the first, not the second... by Pxtl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oddly enough, I found that one of the most inventive games ever was a post 96 FPS by the same name: BattleZone.

      BattleZone '98 was a kick-ass RTS/FPS hybrid (avoid the sequel, it lost the charm). It had a wonderful premise (secret cold-war combat on the moon in the '70s) and excellent gameplay. Very inventive, very fun. Still, classic Bzone players wouldn't like it as its much more modern-FPS style of play.

  28. In short? Don't bother. by SomeGuyFromCA · · Score: 4, Informative

    I know this may be off-topic to the story, but does anyone have quick tips on how to play these DOS-age games on modern day OS's and hardware?

    Don't try. Just get another computer. I have a K6-2/300 [that I picked up for next to nothing] sitting at my right that I use for all my old games. Keen, Wing Commander, Raptor, Tyrian, etc. 256 megs RAM, 8.4 gig drive, SB AWE32, all for next to no time or money.

    The most expensive part would have been a KVM switch, except that I have a dual-input monitor, so I just needed a KM switch.

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  29. Re:less vs fewer by villaged · · Score: 2, Funny
    [Grammar Nazi = ON] Less is used for amounts of a continuous stuff, fewer is for discrete items or people. For instance, you would use less flower in the next batch of brownies to serve fewer people. If you can count them, use fewer. [/Grammar Nazi]

    [Spelling Nazi = ON]

    Unless you're making "magic brownies", you'd probably using more flour instead of flowers.

  30. Don't forget Marathon by lordDallan · · Score: 2, Informative

    I remember seeing Doom on my buddy's crappy Packard Bell PC and being really jealous that there was nothing like that for the Mac. Fortunately the good folks at Bungie came out with Marathon and I could take out all my frustrations by killing nasty Pfhor and saving witless BOBs.

  31. Re:less vs fewer by Bobman1235 · · Score: 5, Funny

    For instance, you would use less flower in the next batch of brownies

    I make my brownies with flour. Yours must taste pretty funny. Do you use the stems too?

    Apparently grammar nazis don't pay attention to such trivialities as homophones.

  32. These were great games. Some Questions? by slappy_guru · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are there any plans to upgrade or re-issue? Can we still get the originals? Will they work on newer widows operating systems and Linux?

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    "Science is like sex: sometimes something useful comes out, but that is not the reason we are doing it" Richard Feynman
  33. It's all id's fault by skippy13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Doom and the original Quake were, to me, phenomenally entertaining games. I was completely addicted to multiplayer Doom over the now defunt DWANGO network. At the time, I was sure that Quake's built-in TCP/IP multiplayer capability helped jump-start internet usage in many homes. I recall with fondness reading Blue's Quake Rag, and Redwood's, and the original incarnation of PlanetQuake.

    But I hold id software personally accountable for the current state of "release early, release often" game development. Their unending succession of Point Releases justified other game developers doing the same: releasing a buggy product and fixing it after the fact (oftentimes LONG after) with updates and patches.

    Certainly I recognize the need for continuous quality improvement, and I respect companies that provide support for their products. But it seems to me that ever since Quake (or, perhaps more fairly, Quake II) the initial release of most games have been plagued with faults, and we the consumers have been lulled into accepting this as somehow "okay" or "the norm"! After all, a Point Release is just around the corner...

  34. Re:Hold on, wait a second... by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ummm... do we know each other? :P

  35. sourceforge links and doom trivia by mraymer · · Score: 2, Informative
    Doom Legacy - Probably the most popular source port...

    Doomsday Engine - Windows only, but my personal favorite.

    It's amazing how a little OpenGL in the right places can make an old game look so much better.

    What's even more amazing is how well DOOM has aged. I can't think of any other game from its era that I can sit down and play for a while, and end up totally forgetting that I am playing a retro game.

    Trivia: DOOM got its name from the movie "The Color of Money" when Tom Cruise is about to open a pool stick case, and someone asks what is in there... his reply? "Doom."

    Oh, more trivia... DOOM was originally going to be a game based on the movie Aliens, but that idea was scrapped since the developers wanted total creative control over the project. Likely a very good choice, since we're still talking about DOOM today, and it's still on the charts over at download.com.

    Trivia source: mobygames

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  36. Yeah, who didn't play... by siskbc · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I still have original copies of Doom, Wolf3D, and a handful of Commander Keen, 'cept I always have troubling running the games on my Win2k and WinXP computers. Sometimes the games won't run period, or there will be missing sound (for example).

    Wolf3D? That was just about the most groundbreaking game I've ever seen. I remember walking into a computer store one day, and seeing this game that blew my freaking mind. Felt like a friggin' acid trip.

    So are there a bunch of yougin's around here who have never played wolf? I think anyone who calls themselves a geek and never played Wolf is a poser, but that's just me. It's like required reading.

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    1. Re:Yeah, who didn't play... by trentfoley · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even before Wolf3D, there was "Castle Wolfenstein". I remember playing it in high school on an Apple II (not a IIe, before that :) ). There were also the Lord British games like Ultima. I've noticed the similarities between my kids' gameboy games and these old Apple II titles.

  37. Oldies checklist by JCCyC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everyone who was into computers 10 years ago knows about Doom. Less people are familiar with Wolf3D, and even fewer people ever played any of the Commander Keen games.

    Check. Check. And check again. ;)

    Let's push this a bit further back, shall we?

    - Prince of Persia
    - Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards
    - Alley Cat

    By now we fell off the PC's time of existence, and if I wanted to go on I would have to mention Apple II games like Karateka, Conan, or Swashbuckler. But I won't.

    1. Re:Oldies checklist by orpheus2000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Conan and Karateka got me through kindergarten and first grade, man, they were awesome! And let's not forget Montezuma's Revenge and Wizardry. Ah, the apple IIe, the reason I have all my terminal windows green-on-black ;-)

      I also remember walking to my neighbor's house to play the *Quest games on his IBM PC-XT (?) 286. Werd.

      Feeling much much too old for my age, but, given the current crowd...

    2. Re:Oldies checklist by mfrank · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Adventure. On a line printer. On a stolen Nebraska State Dept of Agriculture (Agnet) account at the University of Nebraska.

      I still have the 2 inch thick stack of printouts, complete with the occasional "who are you?" from an Agnet admin :)

  38. Doom was verboten by DollyTheSheep · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Back in 1993/1994 Doom was forbidden in the student's computer lab of my university, because it troubled the Netware III network bigtime. Had something to do with broadcasting for connections in multiplayer mode.

    The admins actively hunted down some of the players. Of course, this didn't hinder most of the players, some of them were the admins themselves.

    Doom and Descent(?) recall some remembrances of my old university days. I'm not a FPS player myself. I played Wold3d once and got sick after half an hour, so I played never again a FPS. It caused a certain kind of nausea to me, I simply couldn't follow the movements with my eyes after a longer time.

    But I was an avid player of internet chess for some time. This was great!

  39. doom stories by erikdotla · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to do DOOM I and II technical support. id outsourced it to a Colorado company called StarPak. For the first few days, I was doing the support practically alone, along with hundreds of other products with different companies. I'm proud to have recieved the first phone calls.

    id provided an excellent knowledge base, and we were able to solve 90% of the problems people called in with. I felt really good enabling thousands of people to play this game - back then, everybody wanted to play it due to it's explosion of popularity and controversy, and people knew little about computers, just like today, with the difference that they were dealing with DOS and Win31, which was even harder for them.

    I'll never forget the many times I heard kids scream "hooray!" in the background after I spent an hour on the phone with a very tired mother or father trying to make it work.

    I believe that I received the first phone call ever of someone reporting motion sickness as a result of playing a video game due to the realism of 3D movement, since DOOM was the first game that had "bobbing". id thankfully had the insight to provide a switch to turn that off.

    Another interesting call I recieved was from a guy who claimed to have produced (or maybe directed?) My Cousin Vinny, and said he wanted to make a movie out of DOOM. I put him in touch with id, and I'm glad nothing ever came from it. It would have made a crappy movie - the plot was a razor thin excuse to provide a setting for thousands of monsters to attack you relentlessly.

    I also simultaneously operated on the 900 Hint Line. People would call up and ask the location of a particular key on a particular map. If you recall, the location of secrets was different between single player and multiplayer. We were encouraged to play the game while we worked (research! bwhaha!) and we always played multiplayer of course.

    People thought it was amazing that me and my colleagues could rattle off the location of a secret on a map in single player mode while simultaneously playing multiplayer on a totally different map, all without checking the book.

    Ahh, good times.

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    1. Re:doom stories by NFNNMIDATA · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Doom movie is still in the pipeline (has been for years).

  40. Re:commander keen! by SomeGuyFromCA · · Score: 2, Informative

    There were 7 of them, the first trilogy was EGA based graphics, the second trilogy was VGA, and the last one (aliens ate my babysitter?) was basically just a collection of second rate levels that didnt make the second trilogy.

    Sorry, beg to differ. There were 7, yes, but the "second trilogy" was a "second duology": "Aliens Ate My Babysitter" was #6, a separate story, and was not just a "collection of second rate levels" - it had new monsters and did thematically fit together.

    The full list goes:

    INVASION OF THE VORTICONS:
    Commander Keen: Marooned on Mars
    Commander Keen: The Earth Explodes
    Commander Keen: Keen Must Die

    LOST EPISODE
    Commander Keen: Keen Dreams

    GOODBYE GALAXY
    Commander Keen: Secret of the Oracle
    Commander Keen: The Armageddon Machine

    ALIENS ATE MY BABYSITTER
    Commander Keen: Aliens Ate My Babysitter

    There was supposed to be another trilogy - called "The Universe is Toast" - and it's about 11 years overdue; the rise of FPSes pretty much killed it. Most fans of the series have given up holding their breath, especially after level 32 of doom II had you putting hanging Keens out of their misery.

    Post information from A Look Back at Commander Keen and Cerebal Cortex 314

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  41. Re:The Rating by kevin42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I thought the book was excellent. Since I wrote the review, I figured it would be obvious that all that means is I thought the book was excellent. Did I think the writing was perfect? No. Did I think the book was overall very interesting and entertaining? Yes. I wrote this review specifically for slashdot because I thought a lot of people here would have similar interests as I did. I didn't write a literary critique of the book, I just wrote what amounts to a summary of what I thought of the book. Hey, it's not like I was being paid to write this or anything.

  42. Carmack and the Origins of DirectX by njord · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a little over halfway through the book and I've stumbled upon an interesting passage. In it, Kushner is discussing DirectX's beginnings as a tool to bring developers and games to Windows (and keep them there).

    The Microsoft agenda was to make an impressive display of the new API's strengths, and the solution was to port DOS-bound Doom to Windows. John Carmack said he'd allow it (but not do the porting).

    This seems to place Carmack, long an outspoken proponent of OpenGL as the superior API (for a number of reasons), as one of the reasons for DirectX's acceptence.

    Is this the real deal, I wonder, or is there a palpable spin being had here?

    Of course, Carmack is right to favor the open, robust and carefully oversighted OpenGL over the proprietary and hasty DirectX, but did his actions play a part in the success of DirectX?

    njord

  43. DOS Emulation by waffle+zero · · Score: 2, Informative

    As far as Commander Keen and Wolf3d go, your best bet is the open source dos emulator DOSBox. There are ports for Windows, BeOS, and Linux and I'm sure the source will compile on other *n?x systems.


    The problem is that DOSBox doesn't support protected mode as needed by DOOM. But that is not a problem because there are plenty of open source DOOM engines. A quick search of sourceforge turns up DOOM Legacy. It has netplay and should work on all varieties of OSes.

  44. Re:offtopic questions for the skeptic by anno1a · · Score: 2, Funny

    Did violence exist before doom?
    Certainly not! The Brady Bunch? That's how things went down before the age of doom!

    Was our society less corrupt before doom?
    How could you even ask such a stupid question? The mere concept of corruption was introduced with doom. The concept of piracy didn't come until doom 2, though. I fear for what doom 3 will bring.

    Does simulating an sinful act constitute a sinful act?
    Most definately.

    If so then does playing the part of a murderer in a play constitute a sin, or does it depend on your intentions?
    Not at all, a play is sofisticated, and does not in any way provoke violence, it rather introduces the viewer of other cultures, thus playing in one is an act for which you will be rewarded when you go to heaven.

    Errhm... I think we're going off topic here...

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  45. Re:Cheaper at Amazon!! by TheGatekeeper · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually I never caught why Slashdot is so anit-Amazon.com, could somone perhaps post a summary or a like to an article of the issue-in-question? And yes, I tried the search, it came up with hundreds of results which would take hours to wade through to have even a basic understanding. A concise paragraph and a link to a Slashdot article would be nice. Thanks!

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  46. Read a chapter of it.... by crt · · Score: 4, Informative

    Good book - you can read a whole chapter of it here.. along with an interview with the author and a few other bits.

  47. Amiga by Jennifer+E.+Elaan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Of course Amiga is hard to emulate. The machine had a hardware coprocessor for *EVERYTHING*. It had a built-in sound mixer chip, a heavily accelerated graphics chip, and a myriad of others.

    Emulating the CPU alone is easy. But even an older system, when employing a lot of coprocessing, can be quite a task to emulate by a strictly serial processor.

  48. Re:Cheaper at Amazon!! by RevDobbs · · Score: 5, Informative
  49. Re:Hi Kevin by mnemonic_ · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have to agree with your judgement of the writing quality. However, according to his blog, he's actually 30 years old.

  50. Re:Hi Kevin by kevin42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ouch. I just wrote what I thought of the book in a way I thought would help people decide if they wanted to read it or not. It actually takes guts to submit something like this to /., knowing how many people will be more than willing to criticize you.

    Now, if you will kindly provide your true identity, I'd be glad to refund your full purchase price you paid for this review.

    If you have any constructive criticism however, I'd love to hear it.

  51. Wolf Codes by vasqzr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Type one of the following codes:

    APPLEIIGS : Tells you where all the secret doors are; on the map, a secret door is labelled with a picture of your head
    BURGER : Full weapons, full ammo based on how much you can carry
    GROAN : Select a stage.
    IDDQD : Turn off ledoux.
    ILM : give you a life, all the keys, 100% health and 99 ammunition
    JESUS : Tells you where all the secret doors are; on the map, a secret door is labelled with a picture of your head
    LEDOUX : No damage to you, and no loss of ammo
    MCCALL : Advance one level
    PEACOCK : Regain full life
    SEGER : Gives you all the keys
    WOWZERS : Increase bullet capacity to 999 for bullets, and 99 for others
    XUSCNIELPPA : No damage to you, and refills weapons to maximum capacity

    Type a code again to turn it off.

  52. Anyone remember Mac game, "The Colony"? by KH2002 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's been called the world's first interactive first-person 3D adventure game. It was a 1st person shooter -- situated in an abandoned space station. Must have been around 1989. The graphics were pretty crude, but it was real-time 3d...