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KDE 3.2 Alpha 1 Finally on FTP
An anonymous reader cut-and-pastes from the announcement: "Stephan Kulow finally managed to get the last bits of the KDE 3.2 Alpha 1 codenamed 'Brokenboring' including KDevelop 3.0 Alpha 6 on the ftp server (the mirrors should soon pick it up). There won't be any binary packages for this release because the KDE 'P(a)i' release is coming out soon. Everyone using it is asked to compile it with --enable-debug, so we can get valuable feedback. There is a new unstable version of Konstruct to install it."
which is it? Broken or Boring?
"The stability of the large world house which is ours will involve a revolution of values to accompany the scientific and freedom revolutions engulfing the earth. We must rapidly begin the shift from a "thing"-oriented society to a "person"-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered. A civilization can flounder as readily in the face of moral and spiritual bankruptcy as it can through financial bankruptcy."
MLK
about time, my gentoo kde might work now
Jesus is the ONLY Way, Truth and Life!
Ask him into your heart today!
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America, eh folks? It's a pretty screwed up place. Unfortunately, but not indefinitely, the USA's weapons of mass destruction make it the most powerful country in the world (militarily). As a result, it helps to be aware of American society and fit into it, and our quick 8-step guide should have you on the path to burger-munching enlightenment.
1 - Buy yourself a gun
To become a fully-fledged Yank, you'll need to get a weapon. Americans think that having more killing machines magically makes their country safer, and it helps them to walk around saying "I'll put a cap in your ass". Even though the concept of "no guns = no gun-related crimes" is alien to the average Yank, it'll give you a false sense of security in this country with the highest crime rates in the developed world.
2 - Put on at least 25 stone
Skinny? Medium? Chubby? That won't cut it in the good ol' US of A. Because America has the highest obesty levels on the planet, you'll need to get those rolls of flab built up. Eating 18 waffles with Maple syrup for breakfast (and visiting Burger King five times in a day) is all natural when much of the world is suffering massive poverty. Get fat and fit in.
3 - Learn the lingo
We've talked about issues affecting society, but on a personal level you'll need more knowledge (or ignorance as it may be) to fit in. First, forget proper English. Confuse "your" with "you're". Say "must of" instead of "must have". Whenever anything interesting occurs, say "shucks" repeatedly. Instead of clever spontaneity or witty insults, call people "asswipes". It's funny!
4 - Throw away all maps, history books etc.
To really feel a part of American society, you must lose all knowledge of the world. Forget where Poland is. Scrap your knowledge of the lengthy Chinese history. Make cretinous remarks like "India? Is that in Africa?". Because ALL that matters is America, and it doesn't matter how pathetic you look to educated people the world over.
5 - Become totally irrational and nonsensical
Spout on about the Constitution, and then make drastic changes to it. Talk about "freedom of speech" and watch TV programmes about the Ku Klux Klan. Rant on about market freedom, and sit back as companies run riot and destroy the economy with their anti-competitive practices. Essentially, act idiotic at all times.
6 - Sue everyone you ever meet
The USA doesn't produce many decent quality products, so the society is crumbling into a litigation-happy joke. With so many jobs going overseas to talented workers, your only option left is to start legal proceedings. About anything. Someone step on your toe? Get some hotshot downtown lawyer to sue their ass!
7 - Get a "shrink"
Americans have a hard time dealing with their own problems in a mature manner, and prefer to spend hundreds of dollars sitting in front of someone and whinging. However trivial your problems may be, blast them out like a baby!
8 - Watch abysmal TV
Forget educational programmes and incisive documentaries. Your ideal night in is with your gun, six cheeseburgers and a Friends box set. Watch as some over-paid talentless "actor" enters the scene, and whoop and scream hysterically as he delivers some ridiculously poor wisecrack.
So there you have it! Those 8 steps should have you killing innocent people, piling on pounds and acting like a moron in no time. America awaits you, brave hero! Just get out before it collapses in disarray.
END
The KDE project is famous for its funded and organised trolling of weblogs and
message board associated with Linux and Free software/open source. Outrageous newbie
impressing claims are made for the software and huge quanities of FUD are spread to
destroy competitors. If this sounds familiar, then you are correct, most of these
tactics were lifted straight from Microsoft's arsenal of dirty tricks. The Windows
look and feel is not the only thing the KDE project has copied! In this short article
I will address some of the lies and FUD spread by the KDE trolling teams. It is my
hope that this, in some small way, will redress the balance and re-introduce two
things almost eradicated by the KDE project: Honesty and facts.
Myth #1 - KDE is more integrated than GNOME
The oft-heard cry of the noisiest KDE advocates. No explanation is given, the reader
is expected to simply grok the wholesomeness of KDE and the lack of this mystical
quality in GNOME. It is nonsense of course. Neither desktop is particularly
"integrated" compared to Windows XP, and certainly not compared any version of the
Apple Mac. Whatever "integrated" actually means.
Myth #2 - KDE is easier to use
Again, such nebulous arguments are never explained, and the reader is expected to
simply understand the truth of the zealots statement. Both KDE and GNOME have
user-interface irritations (all systems do), but "ease of use" is not a simple thing
to measure. KDE has never been subjected to detailed user testing, unlike GNOME
[gnome.org] [gnome.org], and the claims of user-friendliness are from crazed
supporters and not average users. Furthermore, the KDE faithful rarely look beyond
simple-minded copying of Windows, and forget that administering a desktop system is
just as important as having widgets in the correct place on the toolbar. For example:
What about application installation and removal? GNOME has the excellent RedCarpet by
Ximian [ximian.com] [ximian.com], which makes the installation, removal and updating
of applications trivial. KDE users are expected to fend for themselves with brutal
command line driven systems. GNOME also has the excellent Ximian setup tools to
handle various tricky cross-platform and potentially risky system configuration
operations. KDE offers none of this, only a few small half-assed Linux-only tools,
which make no attempt at check-pointing to return to known working configurations.
Myth #3 - KDE is more popular
In what sense? Arguably more people use KDE, but it is a close run thing. Most KDE
zealots use the results of online polls as proof of their superior userbase - which
is, quite frankly, complete and utter nonsense. Online polls are the joke of the
century; it doesn't even require a motivated script kiddie to render then worthless.
A single post alerting the faithful on a zealot-ridden site can skew the result so
much it makes American presidential elections look fair and well organised.
Popularity is also difficult to measure when *both* GNOME and KDE are frequently
installed on the same system. The systems can co-exist and even run at the same time,
except for certain applications such as panels. Many KDE users actually run GNOME
applications for their superior features and stability, not realising that by doing
so they are barely running KDE at all.
One of the few solid measures of popularity is commercial use of a desktop, and here,
GNOME is far ahead with both Hewlett Packard and Sun committing to using GNOME as the
desktop for their Unix systems. This also ties in with the previously mentioned ease
of use. Sun's major contribution to the GNOME project is in the areas of
user/developer documentation, testing, accessiblity and user-testing. Three of the
less glamourous parts of desktop development. The arrival of the GNOME 2.x series
will see these
Building the alpha version with an unstable Konstruct... I opt for both.
you sure hit the coffin nail on the head there marty. we DOWt many are listening though (see also: mynuts won (salted, in the shell) again), as many are being held hostage buy some sorte of corepirate nazi hypenosys.
they'll get over it, rapidly, as the lights continue to come up.
we extend our deepest sympathies to the victims of cowardly greed/fear based aggression everywhere.
that old tune title (hope we don't get 'busted' for using it) "make the world go away", takes on new/varied meaning in these times.
the prevalent notion that 'everything will be taken care of' without yOUR knowledge/participation is insidiously misleading.
in our estimation, the biggest 'threat' against US (aside from continuing to fire bullinedly into the 'crowd', whilst demanding applause), would be a failure to recognize our 'role' in the problems. we're victims for sure, but whoare ALL the perpetrators (see also: corepirate nazi puppets), gets lost in the ?pr? ?firm? generated propaganda spew.
consult with/trust in yOUR creator. seek others of non-aggressive behaviours/intentions. that's the spirit.
the lights ARE coming up now. pay attention (to yOUR heart, for example). that could lead to new ways (see also: newclear power plan) of thinking about/dealing with, the needs/rights of others EVERYWHERE on the planet.
having the attention span of a gnat, & similar ambitions, might be ok if you are just planning to be a consumer/type one liners.
take care of each other, you're all we've got. we're here for you. get ready to see the light.
The progress that these guys have made in 5 years and the sheer volume of quality code is simply amazing. What are these guys doing right as compared to all the other projects? They even stick to their development and release schedules better than most commercial companies. And despite everyone calling for the death of C++, KDE is the shining example of what can be accomplished in that language. I seriously doubt it could have been constructed in any other language and produce as quick and relatively error-free code as these guys have produced.
This is awsome, with a name like this how can it be anything other than... er... great, hmmm, what a name.
"GNOME is a great community project"
Equals:
"Without the backing of Red Hat and Sun, who do almost all of the work, GNOME would be like FVWM or AfterStep -- a few hard-core users but no major developments ongoing. KDE is far more popular, and yet doesn't have massive companies paying programmers for it! KDE is a true community project; GNOME is only surviving because of money. If Red Hat and Sun go down, would GNOME survive? Not likely."
anyone know if someone is working on a native port of kde to osx?
Let me just say that BitTorrent is nothing short of the Denial of Service attack. I hope they are taken down. When is /. going to learn that you can't flood sites, steal music, or copy DVDs without repercussion?
I'm not Seth.
Elegy For *BSD
I am a *BSD user
and I try hard to be brave
That is a tall order
*BSD's foot is in the grave.
I tap at my toy keyboard
and whistle a happy tune
but keeping happy's so hard,
*BSD died so soon.
Each day I wake and softly sob
Nightfall finds me crying
Not only am I a zit faced slob
but *BSD is dying.
The KDE team have done a fantastic job at providing the necessary tools for even a slightly tech savvy user to upgrade to the latest development release.
Checkout Konstruct to learn how to run a simple script to download, verify, compile and install the components to get KDE working on your machine.
"I gone buss a cap in yo azz." is much more authentic.
Confuse "your" with "you're". Say "must of" instead of "must have".
Consider adding "'Their' with 'they're'" and "alot with 'a lot'".
Also, consider using the metric system (kg) instead of British measure (stones).
KDE is made by Trolltech, a Canopy Group company. Ray Noorda and Ralph Yarro control Canopy. Canopy owns chunks of Trolltech and Yarrow even sits on the board of Directors.
...
from http://www.vultus.com/investors/bod.html
Under Ralph's direction, the Canopy Group has identified and invested in promising open source and Internet infrastructure technologies. Canopy's greatest strength lies in providing the companies that produce these technologies a sheltered environment in which they can grow and develop. Canopy companies are strongly encouraged to work with each in synergistic partnerships.
Ralph also servers as Chairman of the Board of Trustees of Angel Partners, a 501(c)3 support organization for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. He is also a Trustee for the Noorda Family Trust, the Scenic View Center, and the Worth of a Soul Foundation. He is the Chairman of the Board of Directors of Altiris, AP Software, Caldera Systems, Center 7, Coresoft, and Helius. He sits on the Board of Directors for: the Canopy Group, 2NetFX, Arcanvs, Cogito, DataCrystal, Expressware, Global Prime, The Guy Store, HomePipeLine, iBase Systems, Interworks, Lineo, MTI, ManageMyMoney, Nombas, Profit Pro, Recruit Search, Troll Tech and TugNut.
Well, to tie things up here, Canopy controls our buddy SCO.
What the hell is Trolltech doing being owned by Canopy and letting the head of Canopy sit on its board of directors?
I'm sorry, but until Trolltech comes clean on it's relationship with Canopy then I don't think Linux users should download or use KDE.
Clarification : KDE and QT are great tools; but Trolltech needs to make a stand. Either they are for Linux, or against it. It means making the tough choice between relying on the support of the Linux community or relying on the support of Canopy.
Trolltech ?
Has anyone got a link to some screenshots?
Mouse powered Chips, Open source Processors and Lego
I try to download it the other day, but my KBrowser was having KTrouble downloading the KFiles from the KFtp.
Man, and 3.1.3 finally finsihed compiling on my 233-MMX just yesterday...
O-well...
I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
I think it would be advantageous to provide a Live CD with the alpha/beta releases, so that people can get into debugging the code straight away (I for instance, cannot download, compile and use KDE easily due to disk space, bandwidth problems. I could however, use a Knoppix version with the alpha release to test around).
Searching around shows the DragOS Project, but I haven't had time to check it. Does anyone know of similar efforts?
I just heard on the radio that Digitalunity's sense of humor was found dead in his Maine home, at the age of 54.
You know the rest.
It's a joke!
And further, it was a shot at XP, not KDE.
That said, for my wife and other non technical users, KDE is wonderful. I hope the stable release comes soon.
UNIX/Linux Consulting
"The code is quite rough in many places"
Hmmm, as many wise developers have said to me, it only takes about another 10-20% longer to write decent well documented code. When you think of how long it will save you debugging it might save you time.
Everyone who's going to post a lame joke based on the fact that many KDE apps start with "K", please post them under this thread.
Here, I'll start: "hey, didja ever notice how a lot of KDE apps start with 'K'?! What's the deal with that? Ha! Ha! Ha! Those KDE guys aren't very 'K-creative' Ha! Ha! Get it??" There, that's about the best one I've ever read, actually.
Liberal (adj.): Free from bigotry; open to progress; tolerant of others.
Myth #1 - KDE is more integrated than GNOME
The oft-heard cry of the noisiest KDE advocates. No explanation is given, the reader is expected to simply grok the wholesomeness of KDE and the lack of this mystical quality in GNOME. It is nonsense of course. Neither desktop is particularly "integrated" compared to Windows XP, and certainly not compared any version of the Apple Mac. Whatever "integrated" actually means.
Myth #2 - KDE is easier to use
Again, such nebulous arguments are never explained, and the reader is expected to simply understand the truth of the zealots statement. Both KDE and GNOME have user-interface irritations (all systems do), but "ease of use" is not a simple thing to measure. KDE has never been subjected to detailed user testing, unlike GNOME [gnome.org], and the claims of user-friendliness are from crazed supporters and not average users. Furthermore, the KDE faithful rarely look beyond simple-minded copying of Windows, and forget that administering a desktop system is just as important as having widgets in the correct place on the toolbar. For example: What about application installation and removal? GNOME has the excellent RedCarpet by Ximian [ximian.com], which makes the installation, removal and updating of applications trivial. KDE users are expected to fend for themselves with brutal command line driven systems. GNOME also has the excellent Ximian setup tools to handle various tricky cross-platform and potentially risky system configuration operations. KDE offers none of this, only a few small half-assed Linux-only tools, which make no attempt at check-pointing to return to known working configurations.
Myth #3 - KDE is more popular
In what sense? Arguably more people use KDE, but it is a close run thing. Most KDE zealots use the results of online polls as proof of their superior userbase - which is, quite frankly, complete and utter nonsense. Online polls are the joke of the century; it doesn't even require a motivated script kiddie to render then worthless. A single post alerting the faithful on a zealot-ridden site can skew the result so much it makes American presidential elections look fair and well organised. Popularity is also difficult to measure when *both* GNOME and KDE are frequently installed on the same system. The systems can co-exist and even run at the same time, except for certain applications such as panels. Many KDE users actually run GNOME applications for their superior features and stability, not realising that by doing so they are barely running KDE at all.
One of the few solid measures of popularity is commercial use of a desktop, and here, GNOME is far ahead with both Hewlett Packard and Sun committing to using GNOME as the desktop for their Unix systems. This also ties in with the previously mentioned ease of use. Sun's major contribution to the GNOME project is in the areas of user/developer documentation, testing, accessiblity and user-testing. Three of the less glamourous parts of desktop development. The arrival of the GNOME 2.x series will see these contributions reach fruitition and allow GNOME to make a quantum leap ahead of KDE in most of the basic computer/user issues.
Myth #
Eric Laffoon recently made comments in his story about meeting Wil Wheaton statements about GUI capability in Quanta 3.2. If, so the 3.2 release could be a very important milestone for KDE, because it will mean that Dreamweaver finally has competition on Linux for those web developers still stuck on using WYSIWYG html editing tools.
My journal has hot
Kolab is looking interesting, and if you combine this with Kontact you could just have the real Lotus Notes killer. With MS Exchange support, the extensibility of Kontact would make it easy to integrate in a Lotus Notes environment as well.
Ostensibly these look to be part of KDE 3.2, has anyone done the download/compile/install yet that can confirm/deny this.
This is great stuff, btw. I'm excited that KDE is tackling these kinds of applications, I may just switch back from Moz once the kinks have been worked out.
Eric Sarjeant
eric[@]sarjeant.com
Canopy funds Trolltech (makers of QT and KDE) and SCO and Canopy Group members sit on the board of both.
Oops. Who's surviving on tainted money?
I've tried Konstruct for each stable release since 3.0 and I think it still needs alot of work. I had problems with libraries for kmultimedia and especially for java support. To spite havings Sun's latest java installed and the environment set, konstruct would never build past java support.
UNIX/Linux Consulting
Myth #1 - KDE is more integrated than GNOME
The oft-heard cry of the noisiest KDE advocates. No explanation is given, the reader is expected to simply grok the wholesomeness of KDE and the lack of this mystical quality in GNOME. It is nonsense of course. Neither desktop is particularly "integrated" compared to Windows XP, and certainly not compared any version of the Apple Mac. Whatever "integrated" actually means.
Myth #2 - KDE is easier to use
Again, such nebulous arguments are never explained, and the reader is expected to simply understand the truth of the zealots statement. Both KDE and GNOME have user-interface irritations (all systems do), but "ease of use" is not a simple thing to measure. KDE has never been subjected to detailed user testing, unlike GNOME, and the claims of user-friendliness are from crazed supporters and not average users. Furthermore, the KDE faithful rarely look beyond simple-minded copying of Windows, and forget that administering a desktop system is just as important as having widgets in the correct place on the toolbar. For example: What about application installation and removal? GNOME has the excellent RedCarpet by Ximian, which makes the installation, removal and updating of applications trivial. KDE users are expected to fend for themselves with brutal command line driven systems. GNOME also has the excellent Ximian setup tools to handle various tricky cross-platform and potentially risky system configuration operations. KDE offers none of this, only a few small and lame Linux-only tools, which make no attempt at check-pointing to return to known working configurations.
Myth #3 - KDE is more popular
In what sense? Arguably more people use KDE, but it is a close run thing. Most KDE zealots use the results of online polls as proof of their superior userbase - which is, quite frankly, complete and utter nonsense. Online polls are the joke of the century; it doesn't even require a motivated script kiddie to render then worthless. A single post alerting the faithful on a zealot-ridden site can skew the result so much it makes American presidential elections look fair and well organised. Popularity is also difficult to measure when *both* GNOME and KDE are frequently installed on the same system. The systems can co-exist and even run at the same time, except for certain applications such as panels. Many KDE users actually run GNOME applications for their superior features and stability, not realising that by doing so they are barely running KDE at all.
One of the few solid measures of popularity is commercial use of a desktop, and here, GNOME is far ahead with both Hewlett Packard and Sun committing to using GNOME as the desktop for their Unix systems. This also ties in with the previously mentioned ease of use. Sun's major contribution to the GNOME project is in the areas of user/developer documentation, testing, accessiblity and user-testing. Three of the less glamourous parts of desktop development. The arrival of the GNOME 2.x series will see these contributions reach
if it fixes the problems I've had with KDE 3.1. When I right click a menu bar to choose something, (usually move to another desktop), the menu disappears when the mouse moves down over it. And if you click the box on the upper left side, the first time I pull down over it it desappears, (though it stays the second time). Also, though I don't know if it's an X problem or a KDE problem, the GUI locks up with only the mouse moving, (it's not possible to interract with any windows or the kicker). I love KDE but these problems usually arize every day.
I do security
Quite right. If trolltech would come out and say "yes we are partially owned by Canopy but we disagree with them and we are kicking Canopy members off of our board of directors and wish to renogtiate our relationship with Canopy" then that would be more than good enough for most Linux fans. Their silence is deafening.
Trolltech CAN NOT remain silent on this issue. They owe a clarification to the Linux community.
With a name like "Brokenboring", I'm not sure I'm all that excited to try it.
I had a close look at post 3.0 KDE at the LinuxTag earlier this year. I'm still very much a windowmanager fan with E, Fluxbox and Windowmaker on my favorites list. But after I had a guy from the KDE booth show me all the stuff that I can change and activate to get KWin (KDEs WM) away from the default of emulating MS Windows crappines and closer to E/Windowmaker/Fluxbox usability features I thougt I'd give a pure KDE enviroment a chance on Debian Woody with KDE 3.1. It o\/\/nZ0Rz nearly every other desktop I've worked with.
The conlusion is that with a proper setup there is no doubt what so ever that KDE kicks MS Windows up and down the street usability wise in every possible detail. It takes me about 30 seconds to get any Windows desktop user conviced that MS days as a monopoly are counted.
Further on: Ralph Nolden showed previews of what brewing with the 3.2 version of KDevelop and some other goodies. Apart from built-in support of something like a dozen and more programming languages there is a lot of stuff that will cause me to migrate from 3.1 to 3.2 asap.
To me it's quite evident: If OSS is the hauting horde of MS executives sleepless nights, the current and future KDE is the chief Boogieman of them all.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
have they developed a tool to konstruct konstruct?
DVD Ripping, Divx, VCD, SVCD under Linux
dr. king undoubtedly authored his comments. they are widely used in teaching all over the wwworld.
the gnat mentality of your reply, is more LIEk what's being 'taught' buy the corepirate nazi commershills.
1. I love KDE - when we run Linux desktops, they are Mandrake/KDE desktops
2. The KDE project is a quality project, I never liked GNOME's politics. The KDE team had the "harmony" project to create a GPL'd Qt replacement, just in case, the GNOME team could have worked on that instead of going after KDE in a holy war.
3. We have one developer licensed on Qt (triple platform) and one other that is probably being added to Qt development.
HOWEVER
The KDE team was a bunch of Trolltech guys. At least in the beginning, those pushing KDE development were from Trolltech.
The Trolltech team was out to create a cross-platform API and push it. KDE was their way of creating a Unix desktop using their libraries. The whole plan was to make Unix desktops credible (this was in the days where engineers would have a Solaris Workstation for engineering, and a Windows desktop for Groupware/Productivity apps), so that they could sell Qt. This was also before MS Office completely owned the market (remember, Office 95 was their first big hit, and it wasn't until the time of Office 97 that MS had a defacto productivity monopoly b/c Wordperfect died).
The KDE team was formed by Trolltech to create a marketplace for a Unix/Win32 cross-platform toolkit.
In addition, Motif/CDE had an established market. Trolltech was pushing Qt/KDE as a replacement, going after the entrenched Unix market. The goal was to push to Engineering focused Motif/CDE out for a Qt/KDE environment that would do productivity AND Engineering. That would let corporations build their internal applications (where people spent a LOT of time) in a cross-platform manner, for the engineers to be able to use.
Alex
it will mean that Dreamweaver finally has competition on Linux
That would first require that Dreamweaver be available on Linux, wouldn't it?
I'm using Gnome for no apparent reason and I really would like something like KDesktop. Instant sharing, that's useful when developing with people on other physical locations and using other platforms.
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[This is an update of my earlier post on this subject, which I won't link to because this is much better. Mod me up if you want to protest against the gnaming kraziness; don't mod me down if you're humor-challenged.]
KDE Developers Anonymous
Hello group, my name is Klark and I'm addikted to the letter K... As is the kase with many of you, I've always been krazy about komputers and like many of my fellow komp sci students, I was looking forward to a suksessful kareer in the field of information and kommunikation teknology... but my troubles started when I diskovered open source software and the wonderful kommunity around it and got kwite seriously into KDE development... At first I didn't komprehend the effekt this would kome to have on my life as a koder - it wasn't really konspikuous initially when I started to spell more and more kommon words with a k, sometimes even with a kapital K... But then my kolleagues began to wonder why I kouldn't spell korrektly. They asked me, "Are you on krack? Kut the krap!"... some even went as far as kalling me kompletely krazy! What kould I do? I must admit, I'm a kolerik person, even kwick-tempered you might say... okkasionally I would get inkredibly angry and kuss and kurse at my ko-workers... People should judge me by the kontent of my karakter instead of just kriticizing what they konsider kurious spelling! Other times, I would just retreat into a korner and kry kwietly by myself... However, it wasn't until they kicked me out of my kalligraphy kourse at kommunity kollege and I lost my job on akkount of my unkooperative konduct that I finally realized I had to kome to terms with my problem... so here I am, this is my koming-out... I know my kase is a komplex one, but I do hope it is kurable...
Stop whining. It WON'T happen.
Windows has one GUI because it's made by one company with one central management. KDE and Gnome are different teams, that work in different ways, use different languages and have different ideas. To expect that just because you think one desktop is needed that they'll leave whatever they're doing and start coding your ideal desktop is foolish. Deal with it, most OSS developers work on things because they like working on them, not because they're working for the common good.
Besides, there can't be a perfect WM. I don't want KDE 3 on a P166, there I'd use IceWM or Enlightenment. I don't want IceWM on my dual Athlon either, where I can use that extra power for something useful. I also don't like Gnome, while many Gnome users probably hate KDE.
Heck, how does anybody expect that we can somehow get independent developers to agree on one unique project when the world still hasn't managed to agree on one unique measure system?
It's odd really. In the poll that's here right now the options are in kg, and half of the posts in it is whining: "But where Americans! Why isn't it in pounds?". Then go to a KDE discussion and somehow now half of the discussion is whining about that we need a single standard.
you go ahead & vaux on about making monIE if you must.
the planet/population is in crisis mode. the lights are coming up now.
you can pretend all you want. our advise is to be as far away as possible from the thieving/murderous corepirate nazi/walking dead contingent, when the big flash occurs. you wouldn't want to get any of that evile on you?
that's just practical sense. we'll save our 'idealisms' for more secure times.
Matthias Ettrich and Warwick Allison (just to name a couple of KDE developers) were open source KDE developers first and only after their great acheivements in KDE were they hired by TrollTech. The same is true for most of their other employees - they cut their teeth on the open source KDE platform first. The original KDE team was pretty indifferent to licensing issues and they only cared about using the best written GUI software platform available at the time, namely Qt.
TrollTech is not the self-serving evil company you make it out to be. They actually care about writing quality code - and it shows in their products.
And no, I'm not a TrollTech employee. I've just used their software in the past commercially and was very impressed by it.
>>That would first require that Dreamweaver be available on Linux, wouldn't it?
Only in the same way that MS Office would first need to be available on Linux for there to be any OSS competition for it. Ummmm... I can think of at least one reasonably significant OSS project that competes with MS Office on Linux despite there being no MS Office port to Linux (yet!)
If you find a better thing, switch to it.
For those like myself who can't program in C++, but who can install this alpha version, or any other versions before 3.2 final, there is a lot you can do to help KDE:
* Report bugs. If you find something crashes, doesn't work as you'd expect it to, or there's a feature you think is missing, report it at http://bugs.kde.org.
* Submit documentation. Lots of apps in KDE will have out of date documentation, or none at all. If you understand how to use just such an app, consider writing documentation for it and submitting it to KDE.
* Submit translations. If American English isn't your native language, consider translating the text in applications to languages you feel confident with.
More can be found at: http://www.kde.org/support
While "o\/\/nZ0Rz" in this context has a little touch of humor to it I actually used it as an very short extremisation of "is better than" or a simular normal english term. /.s audience, no?. :-)
The fact that you jumped to it actually proves that I was right in my choice of words for
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
When did I call TrollTech evil? I am a happy customer, sending them thousands of dollars/year, and using Linux desktops based upon KDE?
They DO care about writing quality code. They also have HEAVILY supported KDE development to create a market for their API as cross-platform.
What about that is evil?
The fact that the resulting desktop is made available for free under the GPL makes it great. They provide for "free," albeit restricted for development, environemtn, to push their product.
What a great side effect of the invisible hand! In their creation of a market, everyone gets free benefits.
The only thing that I would like from Qt is a better RAD environment to work with. One of our project upgrades was going to be moved from Cocoa to Qt, which was cancelled because certain limitations in using Qt for RAD development. I look forward to new versions of Qt, they keep getting stronger.
BTW: as a commercial licensee of Qt, I am REALLY happy that a lot of the KDE core is on Trolltech's payroll. Each version of Qt incorporates more functionality that was handled at the KDE level, and KDE is upgraded to use the new Qt. That makes the features available to those of us wanting Qt's cross platform benefits.
The Qt/Mac GPL release was also great (although, obviously, with Panther including X11 in the OS, they had no choice, as Qt/X11 on Panther would hit the dreadful "good enough" level without Qt on board). I look forward to the Qt/Mac KDELIB port being in the main tree, and being able to install KDE apps under OS X for my power use.
Alex
Now that Mandrake is at 9.2RC2. It looks like my next KDE upgrade will be to 3.1.3
When the next Mandrake release is out I hope to be using KDE 3.2 or better.
But with all this talk about Konstruct I may give that a try on a test box.
With so many applications built into KDE (KOffice, Konqueor, Games, etc.) you could almost have a nice little distro based entirely on KDE.
http://www.kubuntu.org/
Debian Sid users can get the latest kde debs from the cvs here.
Prepare to wait a full day in process of compilation, if you have a slow machine, for example an old Celeron.
Another route is Knoppix with KDE CVS. Never tried it though, YMMV, yada yada...
Btw I don't think KDE should take all the honour for Konstruct. After all it was "inspired by GARNOME" - good to see idea exchange across the major Free desktops.
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You miss my point. "Compete" implies that it's targetting the same audience. It's like saying American television programs compete with Japanese ones for advertising dollars. Linux computers are unable to run Dreamweaver at all (without WINE or a dual-boot, anyway), so there's no "competition" to speak of.
If Quanta were available on Windows, it would be a competitor for Dreamweaver on Windows -- but still not on Linux.
if you look at the rdf for /. right now it looks like this article is about KDE 3.2 Aplha 1 getting named Broken Boring... like that's some major news item. well...
...
I thought it was amusing
<description>
An anonymous reader cut-and-pastes from the announcement: "Stephan Kulow finally managed to get the last bits of the KDE 3.2 Alpha 1 codenamed 'Brokenboring'
</description>
Jeremy Logan's Website.
Stop whining. It WON'T happen.
Fine, then stop whining when Linux gains only miniscule desktop market share as a result.
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Yes, it will be in there and Nicholas is working on VPL support. That is the WYSIWYG functionality that we're all awaiting. Both Quanta AND KDevelop have _drastically_ improved in 3.2.
Also, keep an eye out for Juk (KDE's answer to ITunes) in this new release. It is an incredibly cool jukebox program that has automatic tagging and vFolder playlists.
The Harmony project was about creating a *L*GPL'ed Qt replacement.
That sounds like you had problems with the tarballs' configure scripts and thus qualify for a bug report at http://bugs.kde.org. Don't expect Konstruct to fix those magically.
But won't that make KDE run really slowly?
Oh, wait...
Well yeah, about the same time longhorn comes out you mean?
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
Actually I prefer IceWM or xfce not because of some old hardware(although sometimes this can be an issue, I'm on a laptop with 800Mhz Coppermine), but rather becasue I really don't have anything against installing all the software I need by myself, thus I'm looking for a Windows Manager not an entire desktop solution.
On the "One desktop to rule them all" rant, I'm certainly not the only one to think that it's not so bad at all to have diversity "even" on the Desktop choice. Yes, some users gets confused, yes, there're compatibility problems(heck, I hate when one really *needs* to run a gtk program on KDE PC or QT one on Gnome station), but at the end I tend to agree with you that people should "deal with it" and adopt one or another. The futur will show if we'll have a "winner"...
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The target audience is web developers in this case, not Windows or Linux users. If the only thing keeping a web developer from switching to Linux is a web development package comprable to Dreamweaver, then any such package is indeed competing with Dreamweaver.
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You kan get kikked out of the KDE Developers Anonymous for talking like that. You write 'ski' with a k, while it obviously should be written with a k, other spelling errors: sourke, krakk, kwikk, kritikizing, kikked, kondukt.
you can pretend/get intoxicated all you want/are able to. that will not change the process.
we're (most of US) already in more 'trouble' than we could ever have imagined.
you'll (as if by magic) get over your need to mock/criticize everything that you don't understand, as the lights come up.
Got that error when kompiling! Anybody know what's wrong?
Is there going to be 'by date' sort anytime soon for Konqueror? There might even be one already for all I know....
"The number of Unix installations has grown to ten, with more expected." (Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd ed.; june 1972)
$ nslookup kde.org
Server: xxxx
Address: xxx
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: kde.org
Address: 80.232.38.131
$ nslookup trolltech.com
Server: xxxx
Address: xxxx
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: trolltech.com
Address: 80.232.38.135
65% of the stock is owned by employees.
They could easily take a stand against Canopy.
Best they could do is of another "me too". wtf?
They could really make a stand and show what they're
made of.
I'm not in the same league as Ray Noorda.
In the KDE control center, open 'Accessibility', 'Keyboard shortcuts', then double-click on any action you wish to associate a key or key sequence with. In the custom keystroke dialog, check 'multiple keys', and then type in your key sequence.
:) Right now it still feels a tad incomplete. You can only bind key sequences to predefined window manager actions or application actions -- no way to open Konqueror (or Mozilla) on Slashdot.org, for example.
For example, I've made all my window operations, Ctrl+W+something. "Move window to next desktop" is Ctrl+W then Ctrl+right. Previous desktop is Ctrl+W then Ctrl+left. Maximize and minimize are, you guessed it, Ctrl+W then Ctrl+up and down, respectively. Very convenient!
Apparently the entire system will be replaced in KDE 3.2, as another poster pointed out, though, so you can also wait and see how much improvement that brings.
-- B.
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