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Book Review: Hacking TiVo

Jason Scott writes "TiVo: You love it or you haven't met it. For those who have it (or are thinking of getting one), a new book is out about all the different ways to modify, increase capacity, or even program TiVos. Whether you want to just add a little capacity to your TiVo's drives or turn it into a full-blown home entertainment center hooked into your home LAN, Jeff Keegan has written a massive and all-encompassing book on this rewarding art." Read on for the rest of Jason's review. Hacking TiVo: The Expansion, Enhancement and Development Starter Kit author Jeff Keegan pages 500 publisher Wiley Publishing, Inc. rating 10 reviewer Jason Scott ISBN 0764543369 summary Everything from admining how cool TiVos are to turning them into your home entertainment server. Exhaustive, elaborate, and funny.

As a relatively early convert to the TiVo way of life, I always found it hard to describe to people who didn't have one why their lives could be changed by it. If I was lucky, I could get friends to visit and with a few short minutes of demonstration, I'd sold another one. If they were farther away, I just hoped they would stop by some day and I'd have another convert. Why was I so intent on this? Because if you watch TV, or even if you don't watch as much as you used to, TiVo can change your life completely. It frees you from the tyranny of watching shows when you're told to watch them, and then goes on to turn your entire television experience from one bombarded with ads and missing all the "good stuff" on scattered random channels, to a true symbiotic relationship where you sit down in front of the tube and every single moment is one filled with shows you want to watch about stuff you're interested in.

A lot of Slashdot readers know what I'm talking about, because they have a TiVo or other PVR in their home right now. So when I tell you that this book will take your TiVo to the next level, I hope you get as excited as I was after reading the dozens of tricks, programs, and hacks this book lists.

The opening chapter describes, in succinct but energetic fashion, why every person with a TV should have a TiVo. Keegan's description may fall towards the evangelical side of things, but he goes out of his way to explain why his feelings are so strong. In fact, this book has an interesting side-effect: converting those who don't own a TiVo. Just a quick browse through the first few chapters will have someone who's heard of TiVo but never used one chomping at the bit to get down to the store. To the TiVo army, this is a powerful munition indeed.

From there, it's a powerful spiral into chapter after chapter of modifications, starting with back doors in the code and moving into opening the TiVo's case (explained with lots of clear pictures), adding storage, and even working with the TiVo's OS (a variation of Linux) to turn it into a web-accessible site or to improve performance.

One inspiring chapter describes the author's experience at a baseball game, having his father go to get refreshments and missing some great plays, and the author pulling out his Palm Pilot with cellular modem to tell his TiVo over the web to record the game's highlights on the news. With that tantalizing trick presented, Keegan goes into the whole involved deal, everything from modifying the TiVo to creating the external server to feed the TiVo information.

As I said, the tricks come fast and furious: TiVo as a way to browse photo galleries. TiVo pulling down the current weather and presenting the radar maps. TiVo printing Caller ID information on the screen when someone calls. By the time you're done with the book, you'll be wondering what there is that you can't do with it. And that, to me, is the sign of a truly great instructional book.

A warning: If you want a neutral voice in the author, this isn't the book for you. Keegan's enthusiasm drips from many pages, written in the tone of the guy down the street with the new toy who simply has take you to the den and show you how cool it is, describing in greater and greater detail all the cool stuff he's discovered tinkering with it. The author's wife, newborn daughter, mother and father make appearances all throughout the book, including a particularly touching description of having his father design an assembly language program to manipulate an LED display. No, really, it's touching. I did a search for Jeff and information on him and I found a photo of him in this costume. Honestly, I'm speechless. The man has achieved what we call "full commitment."

By about halfway through the book it stops being an instruction manual and begins being a full-on reference book, giving you explicit instructions on programming in Tcl, mucking about in Linux, and generally being a hard-core warranty violator. One appendix is dedicated to being a Tcl reference list while another hits you up for some basic Linux training (to be able to work comfortably in the OS).

Keegan has also been kind enough to include a CD-ROM with pretty much all the programs and utilities needed to accomplish what's in his book. It's a telling personal trait that he apologizes for putting it all on a CD instead of enabling readers to go out and search for the programs themselves.

To say I learned things in this book is an amazing understatement. Just to know that some of these things are even possible with my TiVo guarantee how I'll be spending the next few hundred dollars, buying larger drives, getting a cache card, and wiring the machine for ethernet. And Yes, it tells you how to get the shows off of your TiVo onto your computer's hard drive.

When I ordered this book from Amazon, I found out it was an Amazon exclusive, so that's the only place to get it right now. On the other hand, I was able to get my copy in a very short time, so I'm fine with that ... but I hope that you can get it in other places in the future. Regardless, it was worth the money I paid for it, especially since Amazon had 30 percent off in some effort to push to product. Great for me; I'm glad this book came into my collection and I think any TiVo owner (or hopeful TiVo owner) will agree.

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303 comments

  1. Keep 'em coming! by GuardianBob420 · · Score: 1

    Good to see more people writing about the ins-and-outs of one of the finest linux-based consumer products ever created. Kudos!

    1. Re:Keep 'em coming! by randyest · · Score: 1

      And Yes, it tells you how to get the shows off of your TiVo onto your computer's hard drive.

      This is vague -- last I heard getting shows from a TiVo to a PC was a pain, and streaming recorded shows to a PC was impossible. Does anyone know if this problem has been solved yet, and if so please point me to a relevant tool such as DVArchive for the replayTV series (which does all of the above).

      And please don't start the TiVO/Replay religious war here; I'm not trolling for it, I'm really curious. I'm in the market for another PVR, and while I'm happy with the replay, I might try a TiVo if I can stream shows to a PC (which, in my home drives the A/V input which is injected to cable channel 80, so I can see anything on any TV).

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    2. Re:Keep 'em coming! by proj_2501 · · Score: 1

      who the hell are you replying to?

    3. Re:Keep 'em coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try the "Parent" link if you're confused.

    4. Re:Keep 'em coming! by CerebusUS · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's what I do to rip tv shows off my tivo:

      Telnet to the tivo, start TyServer.
      Launch the TyServer client on my windows machine.
      Select the shows I want. click "grab"

      They are pulled down as seperate streams, one for audio, one for video. You can directly import these files into several DVD creation programs, that automatically recode them to the DVD spec, or you can edit the files with a program such as TMPEnc to remove commercials and such. Re-ecoding such files gets a bit tricky, I'm still trying to find the best parameters to fit about 4 hours of acceptable quality video onto a 4GB DVD-R

    5. Re:Keep 'em coming! by randyest · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the info; I'll look into TyServer/client.

      I assume there's still no way to stream shows from a TiVO (as in begin viewing immediately, as opposed to downloading first)?

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    6. Re:Keep 'em coming! by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "Here's what I do to rip tv shows off my tivo: Telnet to the tivo, start TyServer. Launch the TyServer client on my windows machine. Select the shows I want. click "grab"

      Is your reference for a Tivo Series 1?

      I'm curious...is this book only on series 1 or does it go into detail on the series 2 boxes? I know you can get into the 2's now...but, still a bit of a hassle if I remember what I last learned....

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    7. Re:Keep 'em coming! by JWW · · Score: 1

      Try MythTV

      It can run in a distrubuted client/server configuration and is capable of recoding the files to be moved to other PCs or written to DVD or VCD.

      It is a very cool peice of Open Source software, but not for the feint of heart, as it is a hefty configuration task. But if you can get it installed and running, its an awesome PVR design and implementation.

    8. Re:Keep 'em coming! by perdelucena · · Score: 1

      Tivos. Hmmmm. Imagine a beowulf cluster of that....

    9. Re:Keep 'em coming! by CerebusUS · · Score: 1

      My experience is solely with a Series 1 Sony SVR-2000. I've helped two friends mod the same equipment. Never done a Series 2 yet.

    10. Re:Keep 'em coming! by CerebusUS · · Score: 1

      I think there are sourceforge projects somewhere to enable this. but I've never explored them. The core idea is to have one "dumb" tivo with no guide data that can read the filesystem (through NFS or somesuch) of the "live" tivo and stream stuff off it's drive. Running more than one or two dumb tivos this way would probably cause performance problems for the live one.

      Some quick googling turned up the O'Reilly tivo hacking book as well.

    11. Re:Keep 'em coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does RTFA mean anything to you?

    12. Re:Keep 'em coming! by jkeegan · · Score: 1

      Thanks! :)

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      ..Jeff Keegan
      seven syllables explain TiVo: kee gan dot org slash ti vo
  2. Series 2 by krisp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does it go into hacking the Series 2 TiVo? I'm sick of reading about all these obsolete series 1 hack methods.

    I'd just like to get bash working on my Series 2 stand-alone with minimal effort.

    1. Re:Series 2 by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

      I agree. Tivo Hacks had that problem. I waited forever for the thing to come out, only to find that the most useful hacks were for series one. The rest of the book was pretty much about functionality of the Home Media Option - info you can easily get from tivo.com

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    2. Re:Series 2 by ePhil_One · · Score: 1
      Does it go into hacking the Series 2 TiVo? I'm sick of reading about all these obsolete series 1 hack methods.

      Sorry man, Series 1 DirecTiVo is where its at!

      Honestly, The web is the best place for this stuff, and this book is just an organized, indexed reprinting of that information. But then, I've also order the book myself :)

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    3. Re:Series 2 by pegr__ · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, no Series 2 hacks are in the book (from what I can tell... I haven't read it.) Series 2 hacks are out there. They just haven't become routine just yet.

      As for BASH on a Series 2, the trick is to get a trusted kernel to boot, then have it run a hacked kernel. Yes, Tivo added some integrity checks on the Series 2. (Insert DMCA disclaimer.)

      The author probably doesn't want to get into Series 2 machines because they are still in a state of flux, and he would be trafficing in a circumvention device if he did!

      Some of the blogs out there specifically avoid hacks with DMCA implications, but others do not. If you can't find what you're looking for for your Series 2, keep looking. (Hint: Try this one first.)

    4. Re:Series 2 by Quarters · · Score: 1
      Yeah, obsolete...because everyone with a series 1 bought into TiVO's hype and bought a series 2 the second they became available...

      Oh, wait...not everyone did that. A lot of us kept our series 1 boxes specficially because the hacking potential on them was known and understood.

    5. Re:Series 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Newsflash: The series 2 units can't have user programs added, kernels are signed, etc. I won't say they can't be hacked but the chances are pretty slim. Why would anyone bother? The Series 1 units are cheap and hackable. The series 2 units are locked down. Even if someone went to the trouble of figuring out how to run the series 2 with 3rd party apps and unsigned kernels, they wouldn't gain any functionality. It's not like the new systems actually do more (aside from HMO which I consider a complete waste of money).

    6. Re:Series 2 by rsborg · · Score: 1
      Does it go into hacking the Series 2 TiVo? I'm sick of reading about all these obsolete series 1 hack methods.

      Preach it, brotha. Anyone who owns a series 1 probably either

      1. knows how to hack it if they need to or
      2. would never read /.

      Get with the times, people! If this book has relevant and interesting information for what I can do with my Series2 (besides the known capacity expansion hacks), the reviewer should have noted it.

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    7. Re:Series 2 by skintigh2 · · Score: 1

      Maybe someone can explain the difference between series 1 and 2 for those of us who don't own one but are drooling over them.

    8. Re:Series 2 by indros · · Score: 1

      Actually I've read on tivocommunity.com that a method using a two kernel monte that permits the series 2 hacking. It looked to me, it looks more complex than the equivalent for the original series however.

    9. Re:Series 2 by M-G · · Score: 1

      I'll second that. As someone who hasn't yet taken the plunge, and is considering getting a TiVo or whipping up something with MythTV, a good rundown of the differences in the SI and SII boxes would be nice.

    10. Re:Series 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Series2 hacking instructions, how to install 3rd party software, maybe some sweet other trix people have been looking for (wink wink nudge nudge)

      http://hostfreedom.com/tivo/

    11. Re:Series 2 by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 1
      Does it go into hacking the Series 2 TiVo? I'm sick of reading about all these obsolete series 1 hack methods.

      I'd just like to get bash working on my Series 2 stand-alone with minimal effort.

      Maybe you should take a hint by all the hoops they jump through to stop you from "hacking" a TiVo. Could it be they would prefer that you don't hack it? Why is slashdot condoning this hacking activity by pointing to a book on how to do it? If you want to hack a PVR then build a MythTV box.

    12. Re:Series 2 by jkeegan · · Score: 1

      Hi,

      I'm the author of the book. I answer this question in this slashdot comment here. If someone wants to mod that up, that'd make things a lot easier. :)

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      ..Jeff Keegan
      seven syllables explain TiVo: kee gan dot org slash ti vo
    13. Re:Series 2 by Drawkcab · · Score: 1

      And then there are those of us who only bought a TiVO in the past year and had no option but to get a series 2. There are probably more of us than people who fall into the category you're flaming. Its a valid concern that a book like this which is trying to convert new people to TiVO is likely full of hacks and upgrades that only work for a product that has been discontinued for quite a while now.

    14. Re:Series 2 by pegr__ · · Score: 1

      Replying to your own post is so lame!

      That said, here's a step-by-step for Series 2 machines...

    15. Re:Series 2 by The+Wicked+Priest · · Score: 1

      Who cares what THEY would prefer? I bought it, it's my box, I'll do what I like with it. (And yes, I have a hacked Series 2 DirecTivo.)

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  3. Or build a Myth Box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could hack around the non-open bits of a Tivo. Or just build a myth box (http://www.mythtv.org). Total entertainment center, 100% open source.

  4. I haven't bought a Tivo yet... by tekiegreg · · Score: 0

    Granted I've never seen the point of what is basically a glorified VCR/TV Guide hybrid for $9.95/month. But if I can hack a Tivo into doing more interesting stuff, then maybe it's worth it, buy the book first and the Tivo next if I like what I see...

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    1. Re:I haven't bought a Tivo yet... by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Granted I've never seen the point of what is basically a glorified VCR/TV Guide hybrid for $9.95/month."

      Ah I see you are speaking from years of ignorance.

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    2. Re:I haven't bought a Tivo yet... by Plac3bo · · Score: 1

      MythTV is the answer your looking for. LINK. It is a free, linux-based 'TiVo like' system with much more to offer, such as music jukebox, weather system, internet browser, dvd player, video game emulator, etc.

      It has compatible for expandible tuners which allow you to record multiple shows at the time. You can also run one 'monster server' and then connect small set-top box type machines to various TV's in your house giving you one centralized location where everything can be stored.

      And best of all, no monthly fees!

    3. Re:I haven't bought a Tivo yet... by Artifex · · Score: 1
      "Granted I've never seen the point of what is basically a glorified VCR/TV Guide hybrid for $9.95/month."

      Ah I see you are speaking from years of ignorance.


      Yes... ignorance of the ReplayTV 55xx series that has free guide for 3 years, and should be less than $12 a year after.
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  5. This kind of info gets stale in days by mscalora · · Score: 4, Funny

    As a hacker of many TiVos, I must say that when I saw this book the first thing I thought was how fast the info would be out of date. Every time TiVo pushes a new version of the software, you have to get new hacking info from the web sites. Does this book even code the new DVD-R TiVos? I bet there was old info in this book the first day it hit the shelves. This is not good subject matter for a paper book.

    -Mike

    1. Re:This kind of info gets stale in days by jandrese · · Score: 1

      These -HACKs books are for Series 1, which is pretty stable these days. Currently it's a fair bit harder to hack the Series 2 because there are more legal implications (especially with the DMCA) and Tivo has gotten smarter about keeping people out of their box. It's kinda sad actually, the hacker community kept Tivo alive and running during the formative years, and now they're doing everything they can to lock them out. It's like the Tivo guys have started listening to the big Media guys.

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    2. Re:This kind of info gets stale in days by jkeegan · · Score: 1

      I believe you're mistaken. The reasons I believe this has at [I]least[/I] a year's shelflife (if not a few more) are:

      1) Series1 TiVos will remain the easiest to hack, and will be traded for years to come on eBay. TiVo Inc. almost certainly won't be updating the software on them, so they'll remain that way. Software necessary to upgrade your TiVo's hard drives comes on the accompanying CD-ROM, with detailed instructions. This alone for some people is justification for getting the book.

      2) A lot of the hacks described in the book haven't changed much in years, and in some cases the authors felt their hacks (or sometimes ports) were "finished" and stopped work on them. This book pulls them together in one place. They won't be getting stale anytime soon (as time has shown).

      3) The book serves as a launching-off point, describing what various hacks are and getting the reader enthusiastic about them. Though most of the hacks are included on the accompanying CD-ROM, in all cases the user is pointed to the current home of the project (with the accompanying web site picking up any after-printing changes), and encouraged to check out new versions. The reason you'd buy a book on this isn't hurt by time.

      4) The development section of the book (talking about the internal architecture of the book, the internal APIs that access the MFS database, and development strategies to write your own hacks) won't get old, because none of that will change.

      There have been many good pieces of info out there on the web - but they all cover one or two specific tasks, and they're all spread out all over the place. This book (combined with the CD-ROM that keeps many of these alive after the original sites went down) is a great intro (and reference guide) for both aspiring TiVo hackers and veterans alike.

      Then again, I'm the author, so that might be a bit biased. :) Nah, it isn't.

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      ..Jeff Keegan
      seven syllables explain TiVo: kee gan dot org slash ti vo
  6. Can tivo change the past? by atvspid · · Score: 0

    Would be nice if someone could make Tivo reverse the fourth quarter of the World Champion Tampa Bay Buc's game against the Colts two weeks ago on MNF.

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    1. Re:Can tivo change the past? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuc the sucy bucs. Warren Sapp is a fat douchebag.

  7. wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no-one is making any money out of scummy referral links on this one.

    Does someone want to rectify this situation?

  8. Just to save bandwidth, by wanerious · · Score: 1

    I'd like to invite everyone who is about to reply with one of the following to just use the numbers provided to save time and precious electron phase space: 1) I like to actually *use* my imagination to, say, read a book. 2) With all the mindless poop the networks excrete, why would you want more of it? 3) I gave up tv years ago, and look at all I've accomplished with the lost hours! (Go ahead and list your achievements in addition to the number)

    1. Re:Just to save bandwidth, by nate1138 · · Score: 0

      Umm, how about 2

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    2. Re:Just to save bandwidth, by forkboy · · Score: 1

      4) I've enabled myself to feel socially and morally superior to others by thinking that reading the latest John Grisham will actually make me smarter or more cultured.

      5) Since I'm not rich, or good looking, or smell very good, I needed justfication to be an arrogant snob. Not watching television has opened new doors for me.

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    3. Re:Just to save bandwidth, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #5

    4. Re:Just to save bandwidth, by maetenloch · · Score: 1

      Hey weren't you featured in the Onion a while back...

  9. Or... by jesser · · Score: 1, Funny

    TiVo: You love it or you haven't met it.

    Or your job involves television advertising.

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    1. Re:Or... by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 1
      TiVo: You love it or you haven't met it.

      Or your job involves television advertising.
      Or you're just tired of being bought and sold as a product.

      news flash: You don't consume the TV show. The TV show delivers you (product) to the advertiser (consumer) for a price.

    2. Re:Or... by wanerious · · Score: 0

      especially in Soviet Russia!

    3. Re:Or... by Radius9 · · Score: 1

      Ironically enough, I have a couple friends in television advertising, and all of them own Tivo's, as do most everyone else at their respective places of work.

  10. Cheaper at Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Buy at amazon, support the small guy.

    Every 1c off your purchase will be donated to USPTO.

  11. DMCA by barcodez · · Score: 1

    Doesn't the break the DMCA.... what a shame if it does muhuhuhuhuhu

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  12. Hardware hacking? by plcurechax · · Score: 1


    So is how much detail is the hardware hacking? Or are we limited to blinking LEDs or whatever is the basis for the dad story?

    Is the hareware hacking really educational like Hacking the XBox?

    How does this book compare with the other hacking tivo titles?

  13. Data from Series 2? by wanerious · · Score: 0

    Ok, someone spoil the surprise for me... Is it possible to download data from my Series 2 machine to my computer? That would absolutely rock.

    1. Re:Data from Series 2? by tmark · · Score: 0

      From the POST :
      And Yes, it tells you how to get the shows off of your TiVo onto your computer's hard drive.

    2. Re:Data from Series 2? by DropIt! · · Score: 1

      http://dvd-create.sourceforge.net/tystudio/index.s html

    3. Re:Data from Series 2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the POST :
      And Yes, it tells you how to get the shows off of your TiVo onto your computer's hard drive.

      Actually, the question was about Series 2 vs. Series 1, and no, the post doesn't answer that question.

    4. Re:Data from Series 2? by wanerious · · Score: 1

      Typically these were methods used on Series 1 boxes. I'm interested if there is also a way to hack into the Series 2, which is not clear from the above.

    5. Re:Data from Series 2? by raj2001 · · Score: 1

      You may want to have a look at www.dealdatabase.com. I haven't looked at the book yet, but I suspect that topic may not be covered.

    6. Re:Data from Series 2? by wanerious · · Score: 1

      They claim on the 'News' section that the latest build does not support Series 2.

    7. Re:Data from Series 2? by aethelferth · · Score: 1

      Yeah, yet another /. review spoils the book and tells us what happens. How to extract video, how to record the nightly news while at a football game: the big surprises are now gone. What a shame. :-)

    8. Re:Data from Series 2? by jkeegan · · Score: 1

      No, I don't cover extraction from Series2 TiVos. Trust me, I'd like to, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon in a published book.

      (At least not without a lot of fireworks and people getting burned.. :) )

      Luckily, we have the internet for these few things that can't be talked about easily in print. :)

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      ..Jeff Keegan
      seven syllables explain TiVo: kee gan dot org slash ti vo
  14. If anyone's interested in picking one up... by tmhsiao · · Score: 1

    TiVo has just marked down the early Series 2 DirecTiVo units (35 hour capacity) to 100 dollars. Best Buy is currently selling the Philips DSR7000 unit for 93 dollars. You obviously need to have DirecTV to use the unit, however.

    The Standalone 40 and 80 hours are still running between 200-300 dollars.

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    1. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by SnotRag · · Score: 1

      " Best Buy is currently selling the Philips DSR7000 unit for 93 dollars"

      Is this price for new subscribers only? Bought my DSR7000 at BB about a month ago and it cost me $250 as an existing subscriber. If this price is real, it's time to get one in the basement...

    2. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by tmhsiao · · Score: 1

      I'm an existing subscriber, and I picked it up for the $93 price. Good luck finding one, I had to drive all over town to find one in stock.

      The discounted price is really worth it because I need about $100 in equipment to hook it up...

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      "My God...It's full of ads!" -Fry, about the Internet, Futurama
    3. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by SnotRag · · Score: 1

      Of course the Best Buy store finder to check stock is down...

      That price makes replacing every regular directv receiver with a DSR7000 a no brainer. Since I have some high-end directv package, I don't pay monthly tivo fees anyway...

      My basement only has one input though, that kind of stinks. Do they make a 1x2 multiswitch or can I use a 2x4 to do 1x2?

    4. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by tmhsiao · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the price decrease is across the board, as well--you might find Hughes units at 99 at Circuit City.

      I'm not sure about your setup--I live in a condo, and hence the dishes I use are multi-dwelling units, and so my signal comes in via a single stacked and diplexed coax line. I need to destack it, re-diplex it, and then feed both the odd and even transponder signals to the DTivo.

      When you say your basement only has one input, does that mean just one coax drop? If so, you'll either want to run another length of cable down, or stack the odd and even transponder signals on the one line (and destack after it comes out. Since stackers run in the hundred+ dollar range, I think the extra cabling would be a more cost effective option.

      If, however, you're already using a Sony B-55 DirecTV receiver (what I believe is known as a wideband receiver) down there, you might already have a stacked signal going down to the basement, and all you'd need is a destacker and a signal splitter.

      Otherwise, you might look into putting the Basement TiVo with your living room setup and using something like a remote and video sender combination or something that to get reception in the basement...

      This thread at the Tivo community forum was most helpful in figuring out my problem with the stackers and destackers.

      Hope this helps...

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    5. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by SnotRag · · Score: 1

      I honestly understood very little of what you said, I know next to nothing about these things. I'll read teh Tivo Community thread shortly though, but a quick rundown of my setup:

      Dual LNB Dish --> 2x4 multiswitch on first floor

      2 coax lines to Directivo in family room
      a coax line to directv receiver on first floor
      a coax line to basement (standard RCA receiver)

      The one coax drop to the basement was here when I bought the house and I have no idea how it gets there. Goes under carpet somewhere and comes out of the ceiling in one of my basement's corners. I doubt that I'd be able to retrace the cable and run a second one, given my fear of screwing up the carpet and ignorance in these matters...

      I was hoping you could use a $25 2x4 multiswitch for one coax line and go 1x2. If I could do that, take the one coax line in the basement and run two coax cables to the new directivo...

      Anyway, thanks for the help and I'll do some research...

    6. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by tmhsiao · · Score: 1

      Ah, you've already got the signal going through the multiswitch... You might be able to get away with grabbing a high frequency splitter like the one described in the thread (0-2GHz) and adding that to the basement line to get two lines into the Dtivo. If not, you should be able to use the 2x4 multiswitch...

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    7. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by fildo · · Score: 1

      After reading this, I went out (at lunch) and picked one up. They had two on the shelf (maybe more in the back - dunno). Got it for $93, no problem being a current subscriber.

    8. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by timeOday · · Score: 1

      The purchase price is one thing, but I'm not buying any more monthly subscriptions to anything, period. There's no reason to pay anybody more than $12/year to update an Internet TV-Guide. In fact I think that's about how much the paper TV Guide costs.

    9. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by adawg · · Score: 1

      The only problem is that you have to agree to stick with DirecTV for another 12 months when you activate a new receiver. Not really a problem, but still something to keep in mind.

    10. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by tmhsiao · · Score: 1

      Point of information: If you're using a DirecTivo, the subscription fee is $4.99 on top of your existing satellite service, with no fee if you subscribe to Total Choice Premeire.

      Otherwise, the $12/month fee is for standalone TiVos. I opted to pay for lifetime service back when the rates were 10/month and $200 lifetime, and my standalone unit has lasted for over three years, well over the 20-month break-even point.

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    11. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by iantri · · Score: 1
      TV Guide is approx CDN$3/issue here, so I highly doubt you pay $12 for 52 issues of TV Guide (the printing costs alone would prohibit that, I'd think they barely make a few cents at that price.

      With TiVO (and other EPGs), though, you get all sorts of programming information (descriptions, etc), the ability to have it record shows whenever they happen, and so on. I think its worth it.

    12. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by McSpew · · Score: 1

      I also went out and snagged one at lunch. The receipt does say something about being a "new DirecTV customer," but the salesdroid swore up and down there's no new-customer-only requirement. He did say that if I didn't activate it within 30 days, they'll hit my credit card for another $150, so I'm guessing the 12 month activation hit is the big deal here.

      BTW: For anyone curious about DirecTV's 12 month commitments, they are not cumulative. This means you can buy a DirecTV and get it installed free, buy a TiVo receiver a couple of weeks later, and move a month after that (and take advantage of the DirecTV move offer), and only the most recent 12 month commitment applies.

    13. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by bogie · · Score: 1

      That's the way I am as well. I'd love to get a Tivo and I could scrap together the $199 for the entry level unit, but like you I just flat our refuse to pay a monthy fee. I think $156 a year for the Tv Guide and some possible minor updates is a total joke. In just a few years the Tivo has cost you over $500 and just keeps billing you $156 a year. The only logical thing is to do the lifetime payment up front but even then your stuck with $500 up front *gulp*.

      Tivo is definitely a cool toy, buts its just way too expensive for my blood. I think I'll wait till its features come built in with every cable subscription. Hopefully that's only a few years away.

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    14. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by fildo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm not worried about the 12 month commitment. Sheesh, I've had a DTivo for 2 years and vanilla satellite 2 yrs before that. In April I got the mover connection to install a new dish at my new house, bingo - another 12 months. Keep 'em comin . Glad to hear they are not cummulative.

    15. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 1
      The Standalone 40 and 80 hours are still running between 200-300 dollars.

      How does anyone get by with 40-80 hours of storage? That seems pretty paltry to me. I'm hitting huge issues with my 400GB MythTV setup. I'm seriously at the point where I need to consider setting up a fileserver with at least 1 or 2 TB of space to archive my shows. Don't even get me started on trying to find an affordable backup solution for that much data. I may have to just buy two 1 TB file servers to have the data mirrored. How do TiVo users deal with the archival problem? DVD-R is out at this point since I'd need 100 discs to backup just what I currently have. That'd take forever to burn and not to mention have issues with long-term archiving with the media degrading.

    16. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by tmhsiao · · Score: 1

      With the speed by which many new shows are coming out on DVD, I don't really feel the need to keep everything that I record. While I might enjoy watching an hour of 24 every week, I don't feel the need to keep it beyond that week, unless there is a really compelling scene or plot development.

      About the only things I've kept for more than two to three months on the TiVo have been key episodes of Firefly, the Buffy musical "Once More, With Feeling" and finale "Chosen," and the 2003 World Series of Poker (which I later archived to tape).

      It also helps that a lot of shows, like the 2003 WSoP, are pretty much no-action, I record them at Basic Quality vs. Best Quality.

      Using your PVR as a means for permanent archiving seems to me to be nothing short of a Sisyphean task.

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    17. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get some sunlight, dude. How many shows are you ever going to refer back to, disregarding supper-geeky bragging ("Ever see Episode 47 of the Simpsons? I can queue it up right quick if you want!") rights?

    18. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      My gripe is that even though I've already subscribed to DirecTV for 24 months or so, I need to subscribe for ANOTHER 12 months if I purchase this box.

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    19. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by Artifex · · Score: 1
      There's no reason to pay anybody more than $12/year to update an Internet TV-Guide. In fact I think that's about how much the paper TV Guide costs.


      Funny you should say that. Take a look at the new ReplayTV 5500 series... that's about what it costs yearly, and the first three years are free. Don't forget that the 55xx, like the 4xxx and 5xxx series, also works with open-source third party utilities like DVArchive to let you download content across your network to your PC without any mods to the Replay unit (of course there's a built-in NIC). If you want to expand the capacity, of course, there's another open-source utility called RTVPatch to let you format your own drives for single or dual drive upgrades (which do break the warranty, of course). Oh, did I mention that all recent models of ReplayTV have support for drives bigger than 137GB built in?

      Oh, one final thing: if you buy multiple Replays of recent models (5xxx and above, I think) they will all talk to each other, so if one fills up or is already going to record something at one time, you can tell another one to record it instead... and you can access any of your networked Replays to stream a recorded program back to whichever one's by the tv in your current room. And yes, that extends to streaming data off your DVArchive server, if you have one.

      Why am I mentioning all these things? So you compare what you can do with an unmodified (or drive-swap modded) ReplayTV, against an unmodified (or drive-swap modded) Tivo, either Series 1 or 2. At a lower overall price, too.

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    20. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      An additional place for such research: www.dassess.com

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    21. Re:If anyone's interested in picking one up... by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Whoah, you're right. Included subscription for first 3 years, .99 cents thereafter, and more importantly you can control the ReplayTV from the computer and transfer shows to the computer in DV, looks awesome! Too bad it's $500 for the 40 hour model though. But if they drop that significantly for Christmas I might just chuck out my TV tuner PC card after all.

  15. All in Wonder by bigfatdonny · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm still not sure why more people haven't adopted ATI's All in Wonder cards. I use mine for everything that the TiVo can do, plus a lot of the stuff that you can hack the TiVo to do. I can login remotely and set it to record. I can burn VCD/SVCD/DVDs without hacking anything. And adding storage? I've got its cache and recording space set up on my NAS. And all for less than $150

    1. Re:All in Wonder by jocknerd · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but how much was your NAS?

    2. Re:All in Wonder by bigfatdonny · · Score: 1

      Well, some people steal office chairs when the company is going out of business, and some people...nevermind.

    3. Re:All in Wonder by KUHurdler · · Score: 1

      I can only answer for myself, but I have been pretty disappointed with my AIW card. I don't even use the media portion of it anymore.

      -I was constantly upgrading hoping that the new software would fix the bugs that I was fighting. It still has not resolved my biggest Bug.
      -my RF remote control (that is supposed to work through walls) wont work from accross the room.
      -I have to download TV data for 9billion channels just to get the channel listings for the 3 channels I actually watch.
      -The video quality of my AIW7500 is very poor compared to my live TV, even in Live (not encoded/decoded time-shifting mode).
      -The $50 Leadtek TV Card I bought to replace it has less features but less bugs and better video quality

      I am a huge ATI video card fan, but couldn't be more disappointed by these all-in-wonder cards I purchased.

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    4. Re:All in Wonder by ewieling · · Score: 1

      How well does the Season Pass feature work with these cards?

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    5. Re:All in Wonder by cat_jesus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't even have to tell my Tivo to record. It already knows what to record. What a pain in the ass it would be to have to update a schedule manually if the show I wanted to watch switched time slots.

    6. Re:All in Wonder by randolfe · · Score: 1

      Great. I'm just curious: how long did it take you to replicate/rewrite/hack Tivo's dynamically updated program guide? After all, the real value-add of Tivo is the manner in which I can program it to automatically record my programs with only minimal intervention on my part.

      If you accomplished this for under $150, then you are indeed a genious.

    7. Re:All in Wonder by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but if you don't have a near-noiseless computer that runs 24 hours a day and doesn't need rebooted into Linux or whatever, then you're going to have to buy one. That's why I wouldn't even consider using my PC's current card as a PVR or even pseudo-VCR.

      Of course, my Akai video seems to be acting pretty damn flakily these days, but at least when it fails to start up properly it makes a lot of noise and alerts me into action... and I don't have to worry about booting into Linux.

      I hereby claim the patent on the Flaky-1996-Akai-video-alarm-clock.

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    8. Re:All in Wonder by fahrvergnugen · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, but can your $150 videocard:

      • automatically record programs for you based on your past viewing habits?
      • contribute to aggregate ratings information that networks actually listen to?
      • grab video data straight from the satellite feed and dump it directly to disk, with no loss in quality from the original signal?
      • record two programs at once while watching a third pre-recorded program?
      • use an 8-second rewind feature, so you can see those "OH SHIT DID I JUST SEE THAT" moments again?
      • record obscure films starring your favorite actors that you didn't even know existed from channels you never watch, giving you a nice surprise when you get home?
      • calculate your TV schedule on the fly, and catch that oddball halloween episode of Simpsons run on a weekday instead of on a weekend without your intervention?
      • fast-forward through an entire block of commercials in less than 5 seconds, and somehow manage to get within 3 seconds of the beginning of your program every single time you stop it?
      • pause / rewind live TV, on those rare occasions you find yourself watching live TV?
      • almost be considered a member of the family, waiting with arms full of brainkilling, timewasting presents for you when you get home every night?

      People who haven't joined The Cult Of TiVO think that TiVO's just some kind of overglorified VCR that automates tasks they could do themselves anyway, were they so inclined. Nothing but experience, I've found, can change their minds. It takes real talent and engineering skill to design a system as rich and powerful as the one the people at TiVO has created.

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    9. Re:All in Wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      season pass? what? what are you talking about?

    10. Re:All in Wonder by Jon-1 · · Score: 1

      I second the comment of an AIW card not being all it's cracked up to be. I bought an AIW card to turn my computer into a TiVo and had problems with it from day one. Yes, it's a great card. Yes, it can do everything but not with efficency. I have a good system (P4, 2.8) and had problems doing other work while a program was recording. It would drop frames or the audio wouldn't synch right. The remote wonder control often canceled my recording when watching the beginning already in progress. In the end, if you just want to record your favorite TV shows a TiVo is a better deal and with FAR less hassle. The AIW card is now for sale on Ebay...

    11. Re:All in Wonder by NetJunkie · · Score: 1

      You are so right. It's easy to build a digital VCR. But most of my TiVo use isn't a digital VCR. It's mainly in rewinding and pausing live TV.

      It's also so well integrated you forget it is even there. I have yet to see a home built PC solution get anywhere close to the integration.

    12. Re:All in Wonder by MImeKillEr · · Score: 1

      I believe TitanTV works with Intervideo WinDVR and will even automatically record favorite programs you specify. It will likely work with ATI's MultiMedia Center as well.

      See . Scroll down to 'What is a Personal Video Recorder (PVR)?'

      TitanTV is free, btw.

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    13. Re:All in Wonder by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the fact that most folks don't necessarily want their PC in the living room hooked up to the TV. Far better to have a separate enclave for goofing around while the wife is watching Oprah...

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    14. Re:All in Wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not thats a true tivorgasm!

      Was it good for you?

    15. Re:All in Wonder by ptspellman · · Score: 1

      If you have directv, the Dtivos can't be beat. They are now $99, have two tuners, and have excellent guide integration. Oh, and they don't require a separate computer...

    16. Re:All in Wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Yes it can. (Almost all those features) I do not deny that Tivo is nice, but since most of us here love PC's you might prefer the alternative.

      Have you ever used software such as snapstream (http://www.snapstream.com/)? It is an additional $50 US but you do not have to pay a montly fee for the programming.

      1) You are NOT limited on hard drive space, excepting what your computer can handle.

      2) The video is already on your PC's hard drive after you record it, so it is easy to burn to DVD etc. Not to mention with all the storage space, you might also just leave it on the disk longer.

      3) Yes the "pause live TV" buffer is there. It is always caching the data to your disk as you watch, in case you want to "pause live TV".

    17. Re:All in Wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, I use mythtv.org and a cheap ($60 CDN) tv card and get everything listed in the parent. And it's open source too. I'm familiarizing myself with the database at present so I can get regexp style tv show pattern matching (eg all simpsons episodes from 1996 and newer except on this tv channel between these times because they have a stupid time error which means I miss beginning or end).

      And I'm also able to build a dongle to control my digital cable box which tivo can't.

    18. Re:All in Wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      super easy, just use Gemstar GUIDE Plus+ which can be downloaded from ati (ok, so you are stuck having to use windows, but it does work)

    19. Re:All in Wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'm not sure why more people haven't adopted the loom. I use mine to make for everything that storebought fabric can do, plus a lot of the stuff that you can hack up store-bought clothes to do."

    20. Re:All in Wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I'm also able to build a dongle to control my digital cable box which tivo can't.

      What do you mean, tivo can't? That's bull. If your cable box support serial control, tivo can serial control it. Otherwise, IR always works. What the hell are you smoking?

    21. Re:All in Wonder by El · · Score: 1

      I'm still not sure why more people haven't adopted ATI's All in Wonder cards.Uh, how 'bout 'cause their drivers suck? I've got one, and it would be a neat idea if it wasn't constantly crashing Win2K... oh, by the way, where do I get Linux TV software?

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    22. Re:All in Wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes to every one of those questions...it's a frickin' computer - it can do anything you want it to do.

      And yes it takes talent to design a system as rich and powerful as a TiVO, but much less to copy the functionality as others have.

    23. Re:All in Wonder by K8Fan · · Score: 1
      I use mine for everything that the TiVo can do, plus a lot of the stuff that you can hack the TiVo to do.

      Not really. Besides all the software capabilities the TiVo has that do no exist with the All-In-Wonder (the weak point is the quality of the guide data available). The main difference is in the quality of the MPEG encoding, especially in the case of the DirecTivo. When I record using DirecTivo, I'm getting the material already compressed by DirecTV, using their super high-end MPEG2 compressers at the head-end. And, and possibly even more important, I'm not un-compressing and re-compressing the material, like you are if you have a DirecTV receiver and a All-In-Wonder. Double MPEG sucks.

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    24. Re:All in Wonder by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      Only one week at a time, though.

    25. Re:All in Wonder by thoth · · Score: 1

      I used to think this feature was handy. Over the years, it caught maybe one or two shows that moved, with enough warning so the time info was updated. It just doesn't happen that often to be really useful.

  16. canada by Professor+Chaos · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    fact is, until tivo is in canada it will never take off, eh. thats because canada sets the trends. so, screw you tivo, ill use mythtv

    1. Re:canada by deadsquid · · Score: 1

      Well, the fact that it's not here makes it all the more fun, because you have to hack it to make it work here. Lotsa good info on how to make it go is available at tivocanada.com, and checkout tivo_canada at yahoo groups.

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    2. Re:canada by Boiled+Frog · · Score: 1

      Why isn't TiVo (or ReplayTV) in Canada anyways?

  17. Not recording commercials by mabu · · Score: 1

    My main interest with a Tivo is whether or not it can be reliably modified to not record any commercials? I understand some models have a skip-ahead feature, but I could clearly see the quality of my television-viewing life dramatically improved if I had a device that would make commercials disappear. Can this be done with the Tivo, and if so, is this something that you have to fight over and fix every now and then to keep working?

    1. Re:Not recording commercials by tmhsiao · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, you can't do this with TiVo, but you can fast-forward at speeds up to 60x the regular broadcast rate. Your usual commercial break takes less than a minute to run through, and you can optionally go back to check out the Victoria Secret commercial that they snuck in there.

      I think eliminating the recording of commercials is something that TiVo (the company) would be leery of doing especially since they want to stay in business.

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    2. Re:Not recording commercials by mabu · · Score: 1

      I recently purchased a GE VCR (model VG4268) which has a feature called "Commercial Advance" which either doesn't record the commercials or skips over them automatically during playback. Since there seems to be units like this that are being sold, there must be some way to automatically stop recording or skip over the commercials in an automated manner. This is the one feature that would make the difference for me in getting a Tivo. Does anyone have more details on the feasibility of this (aside from having to manually press a FF button to skip commercials)?

    3. Re:Not recording commercials by randyest · · Score: 1

      No, commercial-skipping with a TiVO is manual (and you have to enter a code to enable the "30-second skip" button, otherwise you have to fast-forward an stop at the right time -- not hard to learn, and effective once you do, but not automatic).

      ReplayTV, on the other hand, does have automatic commercial-skip on playback (it still records the commercials, but it will automatically skip over them when playing back, if you want it to).

      Of course, replay had some financial trouble, partly because of lawsuits over this commercial skip feature (and the internet-show-sharing function), and ended up being bought up by Denon/Marantz (D&M), who announced that these cool features may not be available in new replayTV models. So, if you want no commercials, buy a series 5xxx replaytv while you still can.

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    4. Re:Not recording commercials by Scyber · · Score: 1

      The new Replay units don't have Automatic Commercial Advance, but they do have Show|Nav. This feature allows a user to skip commercial breaks by pushing only one button.

    5. Re:Not recording commercials by mhesseltine · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I recently purchased a GE VCR (model VG4268) which has a feature called "Commercial Advance" which either doesn't record the commercials or skips over them automatically during playback. Since there seems to be units like this that are being sold, there must be some way to automatically stop recording or skip over the commercials in an automated manner. This is the one feature that would make the difference for me in getting a Tivo. Does anyone have more details on the feasibility of this (aside from having to manually press a FF button to skip commercials)?

      From discussing something like this with a friend who used to work with one of the local university TV stations, the way these systems work is by looking for the "network black" screen as the program fades out to commercial, and comes back. You'd have to program some method of identifying this solely black screen and triggering the pause/record method around it.

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    6. Re:Not recording commercials by Our+Man+In+Redmond · · Score: 1

      Personally I like the skip-ahead feature, probably mostly because I'm used to it. It does have one minor feature you may or may not appreciate: you actually get to see a frame or two of each commercial or promo. Yeah, most of them just verify why you use the skip-ahead in the first place, but occasionally they will have promos for shows you might be interested in, which you can then set up to record. Plus, you get to stop for the occasional clever commercial you actually like ("Hey, honey, come here, they're doing the IBM Linux commercial again!").

      That's me, of course. YVMV (your viewing may vary).

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    7. Re:Not recording commercials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a Replay TV and use it daily. The problem with automatic commercial skipping is that occasionally it decides there is a commercial to skip when there really isn't. I wouldn't want to trust one of these PVRs to not *record* commercials because what would be more aggravating than enjoying a recorded program and having it suddenly jump ahead a few minutes causing you to miss some interesting bits? Tis far better, IMHO, to record the commercial and then skip it automatically while watching the program later. That way you can fix any mistakes made by the commercial sensing intelligence by going back manually.

    8. Re:Not recording commercials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the newest ATI TV tuner cards have the ability to dump closed captioning to a file. The same text mining algorithms that decipher spam from valid email could probably be used to discern commericials from the actual tv program by simply analyzing the closed captioning. Or maybe just do something simpler like just adding keywords like "subway" or "jared" that would automatically flag the current location as an advertisement. But this could setup would fail when product placement comes into the picture.. "That ice cold PEPSI sure hits the spot"

    9. Re:Not recording commercials by RumorControl · · Score: 1

      BOTH do record the commericals (this is important) but have options for not viewing them during the replay of the show. My ReplayTV guesses where the commericals are about 99.9% of the time. when it doesn't it's obvious and i push a button to turn it off then rewind 4 minutes.

      I can't stand normal TV now.

    10. Re:Not recording commercials by Pejorian · · Score: 1

      If you use P2P software like eMule and a service like ShareReactor, you can download all your favorite TV series (well, actually, all of THEIR favorite series, but geeks tend to like a certain subset of TV shows) with no commercials and all ready for watching on your computer or burning to VCD for convenient watching on your DVD player.

      This is especially appealing for those of us in Canada who can download legally and don't have TiVo available.

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    11. Re:Not recording commercials by sstaton · · Score: 1

      "Network black" is something of a myth. However, my former employer does inject a standard black 30 frame segment at the start and end of all commercials it broadcasts to TV stations (over 1000, at last count). This series of frames ought to be pretty consistent, except for variations in a station's analog conversion/transmission of MPEG-2. It's still possible for the stations to not transmit any of these black frames, so it's not 100% by any means.

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  18. exclusive at Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ref: As the article says, this book is exclusive at Amazon for $20.99 (spend $4 more to get free shipping.)

    If you click on the article amazon link, no one gets commission. I don't know why you would want Amazon to get that extra $1 instead of having to pay it out, but it's up to you...

    1. Re:exclusive at Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know why you would want Amazon to get that extra $1 instead of having to pay it out, but it's up to you...

      Probably because commissions breed millions of pro-Amazon advertisers like you. No promotions = less Slashdot referral-whoring.

  19. TIVIO stinks. Try mythtv by Zapdos · · Score: 1

    With my mythtv I get the following benefits:
    DVD player/ripper
    image gallery/slideshow
    game frontend (xmame, snes, nes, pc)
    music player
    generic video player
    my weather forcast
    and a web page to controll it by.

    Who wants to own a device that requires a monthly subscription to work to its maximum potiential. Does any one know the cons to the guide + service?

    1. Re:TIVIO stinks. Try mythtv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $300 for a lifetime subscription to TIVO.

      Note, that's the lifetime of the UNIT -- not the owner. So if your box fries and it's out of warranty, you have to buy another TIVO *and* spend another $300.

    2. Re:TIVIO stinks. Try mythtv by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Short answer: Because there is a *lot* of potential in having a consistent, cross referenced database of shows, descriptions, actors, directors and genres sitting on your hard drive. It's how TiVo manages and prioritizes "Season Passes" for shows I watch regularly and finds on its own tons of good (for me, educational) shows that I'd otherwise miss or never hear about.

      Besides, one typically pays the lifetime service fee doesn't have to pay a monthly subscription. Even though the hardware will depreciate to $0 value in a couple years, the lifetime service never goes down in value if you decide to resell.

      TiVo comes pre-built in a sleek case with all the software up and running and it updates itself (program guide + OS) by itself...this makes it much more accessible to the public.

    3. Re:TIVIO stinks. Try mythtv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. MythTV is pretty nice and is getting better all the time. It has everything the TiVO has and more. For instance, using samba I can access all of my recorded programs from *any* computer on the network. Now, if my wife is watching the Bachelor on TV, I can watch any of my recording on my computer. Its just all of the extra things that make MythTV so nice. And if anyone tells you that MythTV is hard to setup, it isn't that bad. Any linux geek should have no problem following the install steps at http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-page.php?pageName=r h9pvr250.

    4. Re:TIVIO stinks. Try mythtv by tmhsiao · · Score: 1

      Besides, one typically pays the lifetime service fee doesn't have to pay a monthly subscription. Even though the hardware will depreciate to $0 value in a couple years, the lifetime service never goes down in value if you decide to resell.

      Indeed, I bought my $200 standalone at a time where both Circuit City and TiVo were offering $100 rebates, so I got the unit for the $200 lifetime service fee. On top of that, since the lifetime service fee has since increased, I can probably sell the thing for a profit.

      Not that I'd want to...

      --
      "My God...It's full of ads!" -Fry, about the Internet, Futurama
    5. Re:TIVIO stinks. Try mythtv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      F mythtv, they will not work with my All-in-wonder Radeon, and i'm not about to buy new tv capt. hardware. So tell the mythtv pukes to get on teh ball and add All-in-wonder support, untill then i'll stick to my Windows machine with my all-in-wonder doing all the same stuff you are doing without all that damn configuration headache....you must have thes files installed to have thies programs run but to have those files you must have these other files and those files need to be tweaked for your specific system and then if the moon is in pluto you'll have to wear a contiki mask while wear face paint made from the sap of the ursolisa tree which olny grows in the deap dark cave of agromathia of which the lights will be out and staris gone and teh tree will be in a locked lavatory witha sign on it saying beware of the leaper. yeah so with windows i'm all install and run. easy. so waht if i'm lazy, so what if i don't want to RTFM cuz i RTFM and the FM is too god damn complicated and even the FM says if you don't understand this go RTFM this other FM, so screw you and your linux brainwashed clones, you are the most unhelpful peopel in the world. cuz sometime i may not have the FM handy and all i want is a simple answer, and if you are too damn busy to help me then don't waste you F'ing preicious time telling me to RTFM.

    6. Re:TIVIO stinks. Try mythtv by Chop · · Score: 1

      MythTV has an XMLTV plugin to download and give you a tv guide. http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmltv
      for some reason the orignal site [membled.com] is not responding as i post this.

    7. Re:TIVIO stinks. Try mythtv by old7 · · Score: 1
      MythTV has an XMLTV plugin to download and give you a tv guide. http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmltv for some reason the orignal site [membled.com] is not responding as i post this.
      Good not will it find every movie by your favorite actor or director. Let me know when it does. Then we'll talk about Season Passes and suggestions.

      -Old7
    8. Re:TIVIO stinks. Try mythtv by Chop · · Score: 1
      I'm sorry, I guess I should and qouted the parent before poting the link:
      "Who wants to own a device that requires a monthly subscription to work to its maximum potiential. Does any one know the cons to the guide + service?

      I took this statment to mean he did not know there was a guide for MythTV, hence the guide plus remark. As for Tivo Vs. MythTV, I am currently debating that.From the thread it seems it is ~$250 for a Tivo and $300 for the lifetime channel guide which is $500 that I do not have. If I can build a MythTv box that will do Picture-in-Picture and be comparable with a $250 Tivo for less than $500 and the only feature it lacks is the Season Pass then I think I did pretty good job.

      I also do not watch hours upon hours of TV, my main use would be recording the 4 to 5 TV shows that I enjoy watching and the 2 or three that my wife watches. The TV in our home is turned off for 18+ hours a day and some days is never turned on except to watch a DVD. Mind you I am just starting to research the differences and mabye I have missed a feature that I cannot live without which is why I am looking into all alternatives including Freevo.

    9. Re:TIVIO stinks. Try mythtv by JWW · · Score: 1

      You know with MythTV you can record the show in its timeslot every week and not record duplications.

      Sure sounds like a season pass to me.

  20. Build your own? by speculatrix · · Score: 1


    You can build your own tivo-style unit, it's pretty trivial really, and can use an analogue TV tuner card, a terrestrial digital TV card (DVB-T) or satellite digital card.

    For example, I have an Asus 7100 deluxe combo which has a PAL tuner in it. Asus have a simple "vcr" app where you can schedule a program to be recorded. It will also capture from my webcam, due to the way it uses standard driver APIs, so would probably work with better video capture adaptors, apart from the channel selection. It's a bit buggy, but that's graphics card bundled software for you!

    The big win by using a tivo box is that the hardware is standard, on a PC it seems ever bit of video hardware needs slightly different drivers to make it work.

    The thing that makes tivo easy and useful when a diy solution is hard work and a pain to use, is the program selection and programming. In the Uk you could use www.digiguide.co.uk which can control an external program to record what you want, and it's a lot cheaper than the Tivo subscription.

    Personally, I'd probably just take the hit and buy a tivo, it's just a whole lot less pain, just like I have a real DVD player in the living room rather than a PC... and my wife can understand how to operate it (just)!

    1. Re:Build your own? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone sell a DirecTV reciver PCI card? I've never seen one.

  21. Re:I wonder if you Americans realise... by digitalamish · · Score: 1

    See, this is why not only Tivo, but life, should have a 30-second skip. :)

  22. Its easy by jocknerd · · Score: 1

    Step 1: Run video/audio out connection to your stereo receiver's video/audio in.

    Step 2: Connect your digital camcorder to your stereo receivers video/audio out.

    Step 3: Import video from camcorder into computer.

    I tried connecting my camcorder directly to my TiVo, but the picture was scrambled. Going throught the stereo receiver fixes it. Of course its being converted from mpeg-2 to analog and back to digital then to whatever format you use on your computer. But the picture still looks pretty good using iMovie. I don't have the ability to create DVD's but I do make Quicktime movies from my tv shows.

    1. Re:Its easy by wanerious · · Score: 1

      Yep, that should work, but I don't have a digital camcorder. Rather, I'd like to make use of that tantalizing USB port on the TiVo machine to just pipe the mpeg2 to my laptop.

    2. Re:Its easy by randyest · · Score: 1

      That's easy? Sounds like a PITA to me. Take a look at DVarchive - you can make any PC on your LAN look like another PVR box, stream shows from the PVR to the PC, copy the shows either direction, etc.

      Now that's easy, but of course it only works with replayTV.

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  23. -3- by DeltaSigma · · Score: 1

    I've achieved critical karma mass with the lost hours.

  24. Re:I wonder if you Americans realise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if ROW (rest of world) realizes that its irrelevant for them to hold opinions. America can buy, sell, destroy, or reconstruct any nation, any group of nations, or any other policital or geographical entity many times over. For all practical purposes, you don't exist. You are ants to our godhood.

  25. DirecTivo? by mkb · · Score: 1

    So how good is the coverage of various TiVo models? I have a Hughes HDVR2 and while I love the dual-tuners and high image quality, much of the hacking info I have found does not apply to my unit.

    1. Re:DirecTivo? by raam · · Score: 1


      Very good question. Anyone give an answer, as I imagine a lot of us would like to know. Those USB ports are practically useless.

    2. Re:DirecTivo? by McSpew · · Score: 1

      Those USB ports are practically useless.

      Rumor has it that DirecTV will finally roll out the 4.0 software and the Home Media Option sometime before the end of the year or in the first quarter of next year.

      Keep in mind that nothing's official here, and all bets could be off the minute Rupert Murdoch gets his grubby fingers on DirecTV.

  26. exclusive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  27. You don't reaslly have to spend $21+ to learn... by akmolloy · · Score: 2, Informative
    ..but I guess it is pretty convenient to have it all in one place. Serously, all of the above info is available at the following sites:

    Tivo Community Forum

    Deal Database Forums

    Tivo Web Project Home Page

    I found it to be really enjoyable to sift through many different forums for instructions on how to mod my TiVo. I learned more by reading more than one persons account on how to do things, and was able to get help by posting questions.

    There's a ton of info out there if you're willing to search, otherwise, I guess the 21 bucks is a decent price to pay, and you won't have to get flamed for asking a dumb question.

  28. Re:I wonder if you Americans realise... by proj_2501 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Napoleon watches from the hereafter: "If I only had FOX News, nobody would have known of my defeat in Russia"

  29. Re:I wonder if you Americans realise... by OYAHHH · · Score: 1

    What,

    Is strange about your comment is that now that I have obtained a TIVO I often have found myself standing in a shopping mall, etc. watching something interesting in life unfold before my eyes.

    And I swear I go into TIVO user mode unconsciously and find myself wanting to hit the rewind 10 seconds button (a capability in TIVO) on the situation in the mall. It is so strange.

    I often find myself just wanting to pause real life also.

    But your comment of speeding past those thirty seconds of life's unwanted advertising makes perfect sense as well.

    I'm sure you meant your comment as a joke to some degree but life and TIVO watching have some peculiar similarities for some odd reason.

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    Caution: Contents under pressure
  30. ReplayTV 50xx series by Scyber · · Score: 1

    The ReplayTV 50xx series has COmmercial Advance. It still records the commercials but it skips them on playback. As an owner I find it works about 95% of the time on most shows and 60% on the rest.

    The problem is that fact that SonicBlue (the old owners of ReplayTV) got sued because of this tech and their Internet Sharing tech. So the new owners (DNNA, Digital Networks North America) have removed this feature from the upcoming 55xx series units (the 50xx units are no longer manufactured, but can still be picked up at a few stores). The 55xx series units will have a similar feature, but it will require 1 button press to skip the whole commercial.

  31. Series 2 is significantly different... by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1

    and it's hard to get a non-series 2 machine now. Furthermore, a series 2 tivo has some safeguards to make hacking it significantly more difficult, compared with how hard it is to hack the earlier TiVo's. Thus, The countless series 2 users I know will be very happy to have access to some series 2 hacks someday, whenever that comes out.

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  32. Are there legal issues? by Eric+Damron · · Score: 1

    I use Direct TV satellite service. They have a TIVO like unit that I'm interested in. The part that bugs me however is that in their newest units they have started charging 10 bucks per month to "turn on" the recording features. Yes, I can buy and own the unit but I can't use its full features unless I pay a monthly charge for the privilege. This really frosts my cookies.

    I want to open the box that I purchased and turn on the recording feature but I'm afraid that doing so may run afoul of some of the crazy laws that are now on the books. I'm already paying for the decryption of the signals that I would be recording I just don't want to have to pay a monthly fee to use the features of the unit that I have already purchased.

    Would doing so still run afoul of the DMCA or some other corporate sponsored "screw the consumer" law enacted by the bought and paid for United States Congress?

    --
    The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
    1. Re:Are there legal issues? by Ravensfire · · Score: 1

      Let's see,

      You bought a DirecTivo. Assuming you were somewhat intelligent, you looked on the DirecTV website to determine what, if any, additional charges you might have. You then would have found that they charge $5 for each receiver beyond the first, and $5 for the Tivo.

      If you didn't bother to actually some some relatively trivial research, you're a fool.

      -- Ravensfire

      --
      "But we decide which is right, and which is an illusion"
    2. Re:Are there legal issues? by Eric+Damron · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm a fool and you're an asshole. I will learn from my mistake but you will always be an asshole!

      (Modified Winston Churchill Statement)

      --
      The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
    3. Re:Are there legal issues? by JosefWells · · Score: 1

      I just got directv tivo. And I think you are mistaken.

      It is 5$ a month for the tivo subscription, not for the privlige of recording. I guess you could do without the subscription, in which case, yea you should still be able to record, but not have the tivo recording schedule and other stuff.

    4. Re:Are there legal issues? by McSpew · · Score: 1

      DirecTV TiVos won't do anything in the way of recording unless you pay for the $4.99 a month TiVo fee. But then, if you're not going to use a DirecTV TiVo as a TiVo, then what's the point of buying one in the first place?

      BTW: That $4.99 a month covers all the TiVos you connect to your dish (up to 8). Each additional TiVo only gets charged the usual $5 a month "mirroring" fee that you'd pay for any DirecTV receiver.

    5. Re:Are there legal issues? by Eric+Damron · · Score: 1

      So, for my five bucks per month do I get anything above and beyond DirectTV turning on my ability to record?

      What's next? VCR's that require a subscription to use? Refigerators that won't keep our food cold unless we send in a monthy payment to the manufacturer?

      --
      The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
  33. doesn't anyone read guidelines anymore? by avi33 · · Score: 1

    For one thing, I'd like to know how much space is devoted to series 1 vs. series 2. For that matter, any space devoted to the differences between TiVo software versions, and whether v.4 "improvements" have made them harder to hack. This seems to be a review of the author and his enthusiasm.

    I just got a series 2, and this book is supposedly on its way, but I'm still thirsty for more information. At this point, I'm this close to sending it back and getting two used series 1s.

    Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but other than some hardware upgrades, it looks like Series 2 simply makes it possible for them to sell me networking services (at $99 per box) and another box. That brings my investment to $600-800 for two TVs? AND I'm not allowed to extract video to my own network? WTF? It seems like I can get two (albeit smaller) reconditioned units for $300 and run it through my current network.

    I've thought about the whole mythTv thing, but I think I'd rather have two 'dumb' boxes by the TV and run the whole thing through my network...I should have a storage server soon.

    Any advice?

    1. Re:doesn't anyone read guidelines anymore? by thecombatwombat · · Score: 1
      AND I'm not allowed to extract video to my own network?

      You CAN extract to your own network. I've never tried it myself, but look at tivo-mplayer.

      Granted tivo the company probably really doesn't like this.
  34. So TiVo is a really big VCR by ccandreva · · Score: 1

    Every description of why someone should buy a TiVo sounds like it's aimed at people who have never seen a VCR.

    Record shows to watch later -- wow, I've only been doing that since 1980. My 1997-era RCA VCR skips commercials.

    I can't think of anything on TV so important I would want to be able to connect over the net and have it recorded.

    1. Re:So TiVo is a really big VCR by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Can your VCR note that you really like The Simpsons, so find it on various channels at various times, when you're not watching/recording anything else, and record it for you?

      Can your VCR note that you really like The Simpsons, and therefore would probably like Futurama, and record that for you to watch if you so choose?

      Can your VCR pause whilst you're recording something?

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    2. Re:So TiVo is a really big VCR by Violet+Null · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Every description of why someone should buy a TiVo sounds like it's aimed at people who have never seen a VCR.

      Comparing a TiVo to a VCR is kind of like comparing a computer's word processor to a typewriter. Sure, you use both of them to type letters and documents and whatnot, but the only people who would ever say that the two are the same are those who have never used a word processor, or for some maniacal reason like to use white-out on their mistakes.

      Took a week's vacation recently. When I got back home, there was 22 hours of new programming for me to choose from.

    3. Re:So TiVo is a really big VCR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you ccandreva. I don't want the "features" which TIVO offers. With a TIVO my TV can suggest to me other programs I might like, based on my past viewing behavior? That sounds like a nightmare. My VCRs do everything I want, and do it better than a TIVO. I can record from one videotape to another any time I want. I paid a one-time fee, and they keep working, there is no fear of the company going out of business, or needing to connect to the 'Net, based on these dumb "lifetime of the machine" one-time fee schedules.

      It isn't being luddite to prefer a VCR's features better. It's just a recognition that, for the features I want, a VCR is the more advanced machine, and the TIVO is a step backwards. The TIVO is the typewriter.

      And yes, I am fully familiar with TIVOs, thanks to friends using them. Didn't impress me in the least.

    4. Re:So TiVo is a really big VCR by madcow_ucsb · · Score: 1

      Um why is suggesting programs a nightmare?

    5. Re:So TiVo is a really big VCR by avi33 · · Score: 1

      I think you grossly oversimplify the device's functionality. It's like a VCR, yes, but with an 80 hour tape, but with a couple buttons that do everything you'd ever want it to do...without you recording from one tape to another or doing anything that requires looking through tv guide or programming the device.

      The point is that it's many times easier to do desired actions. Record from one videotape to another? How often do you do that? TiVo lets you sit down and in about 20 minutes select all the TV shows you'll want to watch in the next few weeks. Pick out two Tarantino movies? It'll grab another one for you. Don't want to watch it? Delete it, or ignore the listing and it will go away. How is that a 'nightmare?'

      The fee you pay is for a service...the TV listings. You can hack your machine to use free ones instead. It's also usable without listings, though it has limited uses. You think it's crazy to pay for it, but you must get it from somewhere...the cable/satellite box, or tv guide. You're paying for it there, too.

      You also miss the point as far as recording live TV. Let's say at 9 you sit down to watch your favorite show, when you suddenly remember you forgot to compile the latest kernel build. When you come back and sit down at 9:15 to watch it, you can zip through all the commercials, and by 10 pm, you're back in the present.

      Essential? Maybe not, but a step backward? Please! That just means you haven't learned all of the capabilities.

    6. Re:So TiVo is a really big VCR by lightspawn · · Score: 1

      ...the only people who would ever say that the two are the same are those who have never used a word processor, or for some maniacal reason like to use white-out on their mistakes.

      Fumes?

    7. Re:So TiVo is a really big VCR by Eccles · · Score: 1

      Every description of why someone should buy a TiVo sounds like it's aimed at people who have never seen a VCR.

      I don't have one, but am tempted. Why? No big pile of tapes. No losing shows because you cn't find the tape they were on. No forgetting to turn off the VCR so it'll tape. No setting it up to tape, then finding someone else has turned on the VCR and foiled your taping.

      And want to save copies of one show, in order, when they're mixed in with other shows? It's a pain to do with a VCR, with multiple shows on multiple tapes, but with a TiVo, you simply tape or capture the output.

      My big concern is image quality. Are there good comparisons anywhere of TiVo versus various capture cards, conversion software, etc.? I'm willing to expend more effort to create DVDs of shows I want to save if I get better images.

      Also, has anyone ever seen a card (or a TV for that matter) that does GOOD closed captioning? All the sets I've seen do overly blocky captions, rather than just surrounding the letters with a contrasting border as is done in the highest quality subtitles.

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      Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
    8. Re:So TiVo is a really big VCR by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      So, I guess you've never spent 10 minutes trying to find a tape you didn't mind recording over. And I guess you've never gotten home 15 minutes late and wanted to watch your show from the beginning right now. And I guess you've never been interupted watching TV and wished you could pause it while you dealt with the interruption.

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    9. Re:So TiVo is a really big VCR by incompetent_bitch · · Score: 1

      Goody, so you can waste 22 hours of your life watching EVEN MORE TV!! Yay, what a great invention. Don't get me wrong, I catch the occasional show, but I'd much rather go to the park with my girlfriend, go horseback riding, play frisbee, or even study for my law school classes. The last thing I need to do, or anybody needs to do is watch almost 2 full days of OLD TV shows.

    10. Re:So TiVo is a really big VCR by lightspawn · · Score: 1

      The last thing I need to do, or anybody needs to do is watch almost 2 full days of OLD TV shows.

      Because of course it doesn't matter if a show is clever or witty or funny or informative or thought-provoking or if the acting is great or the effects are amazing; the only criterion is how NEW the show is. That's why I don't have a TiVo; I don't want to watch the best shows, just the ones that are on RIGHT NOW.

    11. Re:So TiVo is a really big VCR by OpenSourceOfAllEvil · · Score: 1

      "Every description of why someone should buy a TiVo sounds like it's aimed at people who have never seen a VCR." YES! And very description of CDs is aimed at people who don't have 8-Tracks.

    12. Re:So TiVo is a really big VCR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My advice is stay on vacation.

    13. Re:So TiVo is a really big VCR by sabaco · · Score: 1

      Goody, so you can waste 22 hours of your life watching EVEN MORE TV!! Yay, what a great invention. Don't get me wrong, I catch the occasional show, but I'd much rather go to the park with my girlfriend, go horseback riding, play frisbee, or even study for my law school classes. The last thing I need to do, or anybody needs to do is watch almost 2 full days of OLD TV shows.

      absolutely!! I agree 100% - that's why TiVos are so great!! I go to the park with my girlfriend, go horseback riding, play frisbee, or work on indepedent projects, etc... when I'm done, when I'm tired, or when the daylight is gone, I get to watch those few, great shows that are on during the day/evening. There IS material on TV that is worth watching - it's REALLY not *all* a dead wasteland the way some people like to imagine. I actually enjoy TV now - I watch what I want, when I want, no commercials.

      It's a godsend for my girlfriend - she has almost total insomina. When she's up at 4 AM, too tired to do anything "constructive" (as she puts it) she doesn't have to flip randomly watching infomercials. The documentaries and independent films she loves are avaliable to her whenever she wants. It's hard to explain how great this is - when we tell friends about it, they usually make some comment like "there is nothing on TV worth paying for a TiVo" - but the point is, TiVo suddenly makes TV worth it!!

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    14. Re:So TiVo is a really big VCR by JuggleGeek · · Score: 1
      Every description of why someone should buy a TiVo sounds like it's aimed at people who have never seen a VCR.

      From that, it sounds like you've never seen a TiVo.

      I don't have one, because I don't watch much TV. But they'll do a ton of things that a VCR just won't do, and for people who spend much time watching TV, they beat a VCR hands down. I'll probably get one eventually, primarily for watching football, one of the few things I do watch. Sometimes I want to be able to review a play, but I don't want to miss the rest of the game. With TiVo, you can back up a bit, but it (unlike a VCR) will continue to record. I can watch the play as many times as I want, and then continue on. When a commercial comes on, I can skip forward over it, back to the game. You just can't do that kind of thing with a VCR unless you record the entire game and then watch on the tape later.

      If a TiVo isn't your kind of thing, that's fine. But claiming it's no different from a VCR is kind of like saying that a modern computer is no different from an Apple II.

  35. Re:I wonder if you Americans realise... by thilmony · · Score: 1

    I have wanted the 10 second repeat button on my car radio many times recently...

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  36. So true! by garrulous · · Score: 1

    I listen to a lot of talk radio in the car and often come in in the middle of an interesting conversation and find my right hand reaching to hit the replay button.

  37. Home Media Option Hacking by jared_hanson · · Score: 1

    Is there any information available on the multi-room viewing protocol TiVo employs on their Series2 boxes. I know the developer docs are available for the Music & Photos feature, but I've never found anything about multi-room viewing.

    I know they have TiVoGuard, which is used to protect the signal as it moves across the network. Is there any information on this, specifically, is their a non-encrypted option to transport data.

    The reason I wonder is I have a bunch of DivX encoded movies that I'd like to watch on a real set-top box. If I could get info on the transfer protocol, that would really help. Yes, I'm prepared to transcode the DivX files to whatever format TiVo expects. Also, I'm prepared to put my foot where my mouth is and write code to do this, and also open source the work.

    I'm just beginning research on this, so an information is valuable. I've scoured the web, and haven't found anything useful. Just about ready to break out Ethereal and do some dirty work.

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  38. Re:I wonder if you Americans realise... by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

    Is strange about your comment is that now that I have obtained a TIVO I often have found myself standing in a shopping mall, etc. watching something interesting in life unfold before my eyes.

    If that wasn't a troll, seek professional help immediately. You do have problems.

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  39. Re:I wonder if you Americans realise... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder if ROW (rest of world) realizes that its irrelevant for them to hold opinions. America can buy, sell, destroy, or reconstruct any nation, any group of nations, or any other policital or geographical entity many times over. For all practical purposes, you don't exist. You are ants to our godhood

    Empires rise, empires fall. History's full of examples.

    America won't always be the world's only superpower. And when that change happens it won't be as obvious as you'd imagine.

    Until that time, I'm sure you and others like you will happily live in ignorance thinking that other nations are just pawns on your chessboard. Just try to remember that, in the endgame, pawns are often the deadliest pieces.

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    "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
  40. Do you have a Tivo? by cat_jesus · · Score: 1

    I have no monthly subsription charge. I thought ahead and paid the lifetime charge. If my Tivo dies, I'll get another one and set the serial number to the one that died. Almost all people who make the comments that you have made, haven't used Tivo. In fact, I used to make the very same comments myself. Now I have two networked Tivos and I love them.

  41. TIVO2 Easter Egg!!! by Lerxst+Pratt · · Score: 1

    The 30-second commercial skip feature was eliminated with TIVO2... or was it? This is one of the most helpful Easter Eggs I have found. Excerpted from BigMarv's How I Did That:

    -begin excerpt-
    1. Grab your TiVo remote.
    2. Bring up any recorded program. (You have to be watching a recorded program rather than "Live TV" in order to enable the feature.)
    3. On your TiVo remote, key in the following sequence: SELECT PLAY SELECT 30 SELECT
    4. If you've successfully entered the code, you should hear three "bings" in succession to inform you that you've successfully enabled the 30 second skip.
    -end excerpt-

    If you ever lose power in your house, you will have to repeat the above steps. Happy skipping!

  42. My Experience by fireteller2 · · Score: 0

    I had a TiVO, that I got shortly after the 30 hour version came out. LOVE IT! Been traveling so I can't use it at the moment so I don't now how compatible the mods are for the new OS versions etc. But here's what I did...

    I was able to put in two new drives (mirroring the original drive without ever booting it, and setting it aside. I can always recover to the store version if I absolutely have to) I was able to turn the system into a 280 hour unit! Worked great. And let me just say that's the only way to use TiVO because as soon as you get used to it you'll realize that there is a lot more on TV that you are interested in then you thought. It just plays at times incompatible with your lifestyle. But not with TiVO.

    I now have a 3 year old TiVO that is better then anything on the market by more twice the recording time.

    Now if I can just get my old TiVO to work with my new Dish network program schedule. Or HD-TiVO open for the same hacks. I'm getting a stiffy just thinking about it.

    fire

  43. When will HDTV be supported? by Isldeur · · Score: 1


    The TIVO website mentions that HDTV may be supported in the future. Is there any word out there (unofficially) for when?

  44. Hacking Dish Network PVRs by The+Infamous+TommyD · · Score: 1

    Anyone out there hack The DISH network PVR's? I've got the cheaper of the two with one receiver, but it is still awesome. I'd love to add a 100G drive, but haven't seen anything about doing it.

    1. Re:Hacking Dish Network PVRs by ps_inkling · · Score: 1
      Try this website: DBSTalk.

      This thread in particular (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=6558) discusses the internals of the DishNetwork PVR 721. YMMV.

      FWIW, Google returns three pages of links in response to the query "dish network pvr webtv hack" of which this was one.

  45. I'm a tivo convert, whose converted away from tivo by gatekeep · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I no longer use my old Series 1 tivo. The hacks are nice, but with something based on a PC, the sky's the limit.

    Currently, I'm using SageTV It's a PC based DVR software package. With it, I can currently;

    - Record two standard def stations, and a high def station at the same time while watching a fourth video of any type. (Obviously, this requires having two tuners and an HDTV tuner.)
    - Record standard TV to MPEG-2, MPEG-1, or just about any other format. This makes it easier to make VCDs, DVDs, or just play the program back on a standard PC.
    - Playback using Dscalar to deinterlace the video.
    - Play DVDs
    - Play DivX
    - Record shows as favorites (just like season passes) or let SageTV record things based on my past viewing habits (much like tivo's suggestions only I don't have to bother with thumbs up and down buttons)
    - Do all of the above with an integrated schedule, which is free. No need to pay a monthly fee.
    - Play and manage my MP3 library (I think you can do ogg, ape, etc. with some tweaks to the config)
    - Stream video and audio to another PC over my LAN.

    I'm sure I'm missing much more. This thing does way more than any tivo, even a hacked tivo, and it's constantly being expanded. It surpasses TiVo and ReplyTV in every way. I've even found it to be more flexible than MythTV and Showstopper (though they do have a few benefits in some areas.)

  46. Directv Series 2 (directivo)? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    None of these hacks works with the Directv series 2, though, right? I wish I could turn it into a mini server.

  47. What about HDTV content on cable? by HitchHik · · Score: 1

    Now that more and more cable companies are broadcasting cable content in HDTV quality, does anyone have (or know of) a DVR solution with TIVO capabilities that will capture HDTV signals and make them watchable on a large widescreen TV? All I've read so far were pretty horrific reports on almost unusable recording quality by current standalone units.

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    -- &&
  48. Re:I wonder if you Americans realise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Actually it can't. Take a look at how much of the American army is tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan, or sitting on its hands waiting for something to happen in Korea.

    Right now, it is pretty much at full stretch dealing with a middle-sized dictatorship, a stone-age theocracy and a communist basketcase that can't even produce enough food to keep its own people fed. For the most powerful military that the world has ever seen it is hardly an impressive position.

  49. Re:I wonder if you Americans realise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You think the pawns move themselves?

    There's a player moving the pawns.

    Just keep that in mind, pawn.

  50. I wish life had an "undo" feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you imagine if you could screw something up and just choose to undo it? Now that would be cool.

    1. Re:I wish life had an "undo" feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine it? I live it!
      ----
      B. Clinton

  51. Don't Do It! by RinkRat · · Score: 1
    Look, TiVo is the best thing since sliced bread - that's the problem. You'll get hooked. It's a top-notch product; you'll never watch TV the same again.

    Mine worked so well, I had to sell it. Seriously, read the story.

    Do yourself a favor and don't even touch this digital crack. Please.

    --
    RinkRat
    1. Re:Don't Do It! by tmhsiao · · Score: 1

      BTW, the "Exalt the New God" shirts are no longer for sale--cafepress hit me with a cease and desist for the parody image of the TiVo logo...

      --
      "My God...It's full of ads!" -Fry, about the Internet, Futurama
    2. Re:Don't Do It! by TheOneEyedMan · · Score: 1

      The story is Homer Price. Works in a doughnut shop.
      http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140 309276/ qid=1066251223/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-7698436-63241 20

      --
      Reality is that which refuses to go away when I stop believing in it. --Phillip K. Dick (remove SPAM to email)
  52. DVR help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is more of an "Ask /." question but I figured knowledgable /.-ers and the occasional moron would be likely to post here too...

    I have seen the glory of TiVo as well as its own unique tyranny. So instead of rushing out and spending $300 on equipment (plus or minus depending on upgrades) then the yearly or monthly service fee, I borrowed a friend's Gateway Destination PC (p2 300 Mhz) and tried to build a DVR just with software and the included tunner card. I can watch cable TV on it beautifully (its currently running windows bu I am willing and able to upgrade to Mandrake or Slackware).

    Unfortunately I have been un-able to record. Any advice on programs, cheak tunner cards with encoders, the better Linux distro for the job, etc... I'd like it to sit under my TV and serve up recorded tv shows, downloaded movies and mp3s (sored on my win XP box) to my home theater system. The plam pilot trick is cool too but one thing at a time.

    1. Re:DVR help by Violet+Null · · Score: 1

      With a 300 Mhz, you won't be able to do software encoding in real time; the processor just won't be able to handle it. So you're going to need to blow ~$150 or so on a tuner card that can also do hardware encoding. Hauppage is the name I hear most in this area; take a look at their WinTV 250 or 350 cards.

      As far as programs, there's MythTV, which is open source, and is supposed to work well under Mandrake, which means it should be able to work well under anything.

      The other option would be Sage TV, which is not open source and costs money, and, so, I'm unfamiliar with it.

    2. Re:DVR help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also very popular is freevo. And for windows there is myhtpc.

    3. Re:DVR help by KaiserZoze_860 · · Score: 1

      Can't believe I didn't sign in for that post (Kicks self). Thanx for the processor comment. I'll see if I can score a tuner card with an encoder off of Ebay or something. Still cheaper and more versitle than a TiVo/Replay/etc... Just out of curiosity, what do you suspect the min. processor clock speed would need to be in order to encode in real-time? I'm sure it would vary by OS and hdd config. but hypothetically...?

    4. Re:DVR help by Violet+Null · · Score: 1
      Well, this is copy/pasted from MythTV's documentation; these numbers are given for software, not hardware, encoding:

      Here are a few data points:

      • A PIII/733MHz system can encode one video stream using the MPEG-4
        codec using 480x480 capture resolution. This does not allow for live TV
        watching, but does allow for encoding video and then watching it later.
      • The developer states that his AMD1800+ system can almost
        encode two MPEG-4 video streams and watch one program simultaneously.
      • A PIII/800MHz system with 512MB RAM can encode one video
        stream using the RTJPEG codec with 480x480 capture resolution and play it back
        simultaneously, thereby allowing live TV watching.
      • A dual Celeron/450MHz is able to view a 480x480 MPEG-4/3300kbps file
        created on a different system with 30% CPU usage.
      • A P4 2.4GHz machine can encode two 3300Kbps 480x480 MPEG-4 files and
        simultaneously serve content to a remote frontend.

    5. Re:DVR help by kcurrie · · Score: 1

      I have a ReplayTV, and recently built a MythTV box.
      The ReplayTV rocks, and allows me to use DVarchive on another box to regularly dump the video to my mythtv box, so it too can watch the Replay's shows. It shouldn't be difficult to integrate the Replay's ability to stream live video within MythTV.
      With a cheap Hauppauge video card (bought for $19) I can record 480x480 (SVCD resolution) with the RTjpeg video, and watch it at the same time. I've got it set for automatic transcoding as well, so while I can watch it right away in it's RTjpeg format, in the background it re-encodes it to a smaller format.
      I recently put an additional CPU in the PIII 866 box and am thinking of getting another TV tuner card. If I bought a PVR-250 card, I'd have hardware MPEG encoding with little CPU useage and no need for further transcoding.
      I used KnoppixMyth or MythKnoppix to install a fresh box. This was very quick and easy, and you KNOW all of the required software is there.

      I bought a combination wireless (IR!!) keyboard/trackball on ebay and use that to control it. Since the keyboard is really pretty small, it's actually not too bad. I bought a learning remote from Radio Shack so I could teach it the keyboards keystrokes, but the remotely didn't store nearly enough commands to be useful. I'm returning it and getting a different one.

      I've got a USB joypad on there to play a ton of MAME games I've got, as well as the included Tux Racer. The wireless keyboard works well for some of the games as well.

      I've got samba running, and using that to export filesystems to both Windows and Linux boxes (via smbfs).

      The commercial skip on the MythTV works better than the one on the Replay, IMHO.

      The weather channel feature is handy.

      The image viewer is handy, and we use the ReplayTV version a lot.

      There are some interface things I'd like to change as well, but generally MythTV looks great.
      The web interface is better than the elsewhere hosted-at-least-1-day-in-advance ReplayTV version. The ability to be 1 click away from a given movies IMDB entry is nice.

      A Tivo owning friend saw one and thought he liked Myth better than his Tivo. I'm nearly at the point now I'll probably buy a PVR card and put the MythTV box in the living room, and the ReplayTV up in the bedroom.

      In short, I highly recommend MythTV.

      --
      -- I speak only for myself.
    6. Re:DVR help by kcurrie · · Score: 1

      With a cheap Hauppauge video card (bought for $19) I can record 480x480 (SVCD resolution) with the RTjpeg video, and watch it at the same time.

      Oh, I can do 640x480 now perfectly as well. With overscan on the scan converter the picture looks near perfect.

      --
      -- I speak only for myself.
  53. Re:What a stupid comment - Let me rephrase... by jea6 · · Score: 1

    Modded down? What a bunch of crud. I say, Insightful +1. And hope the moderator used up his points quickly.

    --

    sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
  54. Spoken like someone who's never owned a PVR by DerProfi · · Score: 0
    I'm a rabid ReplayTV owner/fanboy {insert shameless plug for a PVR that does stuff out of the box that requires "hacking" to achieve on a Tivo} and the thing I always tell to people is "I can't imagine how I ever watched TV without a PVR."

    To see someone on Slashdot calling TiVo a "glorified VCR/TV Guide hybrid" is quite a surprise to me. Does the prospect of never missing an episode of a show not appeal to you? Or the ability to pause live television? Or the power to skip past commercials with a button press (or with 0 button presses on a ReplayTV)?

    Are you sure you even own a TV? :-)

    --

    3000+ comments meta-modded. 0 mod points awarded.
    Lesson for other meta-suckers: Don't believe the hype!
    1. Re:Spoken like someone who's never owned a PVR by Sporkinum · · Score: 1
      • " I'm a rabid ReplayTV owner/fanboy {insert shameless plug for a PVR that does stuff out of the box that requires "hacking" to achieve on a Tivo} and the thing I always tell to people is "I can't imagine how I ever watched TV without a PVR."

      • To see someone on Slashdot calling TiVo a "glorified VCR/TV Guide hybrid" is quite a surprise to me. Does the prospect of never missing an episode of a show not appeal to you? Or the ability to pause live television? Or the power to skip past commercials with a button press (or with 0 button presses on a ReplayTV)?
        Are you sure you even own a TV? :-)"


      I guess I don't get it either. If there was no charge for the guide, it might be worth it. My cable TV costs $23 month and I can't see increasing that by an additional $10/month just so I can keep my ass anchored to the couch more. Heck, I only rent a movie 2 times a month and only do it on .99 cent Wednesdays. I am of the mind that missing a show is not that big a deal. Sure, I might miss a new episode of Myth Busters, but life goes on, and I don't feel lesser for having missed the show.
      --
      "He's lost in a 'floyd hole"
    2. Re:Spoken like someone who's never owned a PVR by tekiegreg · · Score: 0

      Does the prospect of never missing an episode of a show not appeal to you?

      Honestly: Nope, I'm not that bound to the Television, I just turn it on every so often during some downtime and catch whatever seems mildly amusing. I'm no fan of any particular show (besides the Simpsons maybe) and see no reason to record everything.

      Or the power to skip past commercials with a button press?

      Meh, commercials are good downtime for me, use bathroom, fix a snack, etc. Not that I wouldn't mind them off of my TV screen but I just don't care enough to spend $100 (give or take) and then $10/month to dispose of them.

      So, are my words spoken from ignorance? Or are they just spoken from the point of view of a consumer who just gives nothing for such things? However if I can hack it to do other stuffs, maybe it's worth it like I said :-)

      --
      ...in bed
    3. Re:Spoken like someone who's never owned a PVR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't get it.

      It's like saying "I don't see what the big deal is over electric lights my candles work just fine."
      Until you try it you just won't understand what you're missing. And I'm not any type of TV fanatic I didn't even have a TV until recently and I still read more books than I watch TV.

      The PVR lets me watch TV the way I read books. I can watch what I want when I want and I don't need to see commercials. At any momement I can put a virtual bookmark in the show and pick it up later. I can also go back and read (watch) it again.

    4. Re:Spoken like someone who's never owned a PVR by Em+Ellel · · Score: 1

      So, are my words spoken from ignorance?

      Actually yes. Ignorance is lack of knowledge or understanding. What PVR offers is not just skipping commercials - its viewing what you want when you want it, instead of having it fed to you on someone elses schedule. Imagine starting your web browser and have it guide you from one web site to another without any input from you. Even if you did not get a chance to read the page, next one comes. It is much different from being able to pull up any page you want, right? PVR is like that. WHen you want to watch next episode of Simpsons, you watch it. You do not rush home at exact hour. You do not need to configure your VCR and change tapes every week. You do not need to get some programing executive's permision to go to the bathroom.

      Basically it is as different from TV as Web is different from printed newspaper. There are very few people you can grasp the difference without actualy experiencing it. Until you understand that difference, it is ignorance.

      On the other side, it does not mean that you may want it. People actively choose not to go online, or watch TV or drive cars. Nothing wrong with it.

      The point is that PVR is far from VCR/TVGuide combo the original posted implied.

      -Em

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      RelevantElephants: A Somatic WebComic...
    5. Re:Spoken like someone who's never owned a PVR by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

      I get it fine.. I just don't see why it is worth either $400 after paying a lifetime fee, or $10 a month.

      The functionality sounds great. The price doesn't.

      --
      "He's lost in a 'floyd hole"
    6. Re:Spoken like someone who's never owned a PVR by tekiegreg · · Score: 0

      Good thinking, mod +1 interesting for the nearest moderator please :-) Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe I'm speaking from the point of ignorance because I just don't care that much about my Television to want better from it. Maybe the better question is not so much why I would want the ability to pause live TV and/or skip commercials, etc. But what is the value which I see in doing so? Which as implicated, is relatively little for myself. No matter how you slice it I'm just not interested in Tivo :-) hence my ignorance (well not so much anymore now that I've generated a discussion thread on the issue I suppose but even after today's discussions I'm still not going out to buy one).

      --
      ...in bed
  55. Re:I'm a tivo convert, whose converted away from t by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

    "- Record shows as favorites (just like season passes) or let SageTV record things based on my past viewing habits (much like tivo's suggestions only I don't have to bother with thumbs up and down buttons)"

    How does it know to not record programming that sucks if you can't give something a thumbs-down or equivalent?

    "- Do all of the above with an integrated schedule, which is free. No need to pay a monthly fee."

    Putting aside the fact that you can pay a one-time fee for TiVo's service...your integrated schedule is not free. Maybe you don't pay for it, but someone is paying. How sustainable is such a setup? Out of curiousity, who produces your guide data?

  56. Or just get ReplayTV & DVArchive by gduprey · · Score: 1

    Or, instead of reading a hundreds of pages book, just buy a ReplayTV and download DVArchive. Viola - downloads shows without any hacking, turn a PC into a big video server to stream shows back to ReplayTV, etc. It's literally that easy.

    Now that Replay has been picked and reinvigorated by one of the larger consumers electronics company (DNNA - Denon and Marantz), you're good to go.

    And if you get a used/refurbed 5000 series (not a 5500 series), you'll still have the "infamous" automatic commercial advance feature.

    1. Re:Or just get ReplayTV & DVArchive by dotwaffle · · Score: 1

      Viola!

      Bassoon! Yeah, I know you made a typo, I'm just immature ;)

  57. Can Tivo do stuff that Freevo can? by skintigh2 · · Score: 1

    Can Tivo do stuff that the free PVRS can do, like be a front end for emulators and get shows from the web? If so, it might be worth buying a Tivo instead of building my own.

    Still, last I checked it it was $250 for a tivo and $250 to use it and $100 for the net card and $50 to use it, so it might be cheaper to build my own. But I'm lazy...

    1. Re:Can Tivo do stuff that Freevo can? by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Your information is erroneous. TiVo units cost as little as $200 for a 40-hour Series 2 unit. There are other units that cost much more, but most people don't need anything beyond 40 hours.

      A lifetime subscription was $250, but is now $300. However, if you sell your TiVo down the road, the lifetime subscription would go with it and you'll get your $300 back (it has no reason to depreciate). No one on eBay sells their lifetime subscription for less than what they paid. Hardware depreciates, naturally.

      Series 2 units take a USB ethernet adapter. A USB NIC is $25 or so...you can choose from several models, including 802.11b now.

      If you don't want to buy the Home Media Option software for $50, then don't buy it. It is for viewing photos and streaming MP3s from another computer. It has no relationship whatsoever to the core functionality of TiVo.

  58. Re:All in Wonder - No digital signal tuning by BurkeChowdah · · Score: 0

    The biggest reason I don't have a "tivo" type PC based device using an All-In-Wonder card or some other TV tuner is that they can not tune a Digital signal. So, if I have DirecTV (I do) or Digital Cable, I have to change the channel on my homemade "tivo" box, then record on my PC. Two steps. That, and the Tivo interface is just soooooooo smooth...

    --
    (insert attempt to be witty here)
  59. Re:I wonder if you Americans realise... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

    You think the pawns move themselves?

    There's a player moving the pawns.

    Just keep that in mind, pawn.


    You know, there's a reason why you're posting as an AC. It's because you know how moronic you sound and you don't have the balls to stand up and say "this is me, this is how dumb I am".

    --

    "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
  60. Tivo freed me from TV altogether by sacrilicious · · Score: 4, Insightful
    TiVo: You love it or you haven't met it.

    I got tivo four years ago and instantly fell deeply in love with it. That love continues to this day, but has changed form. About a year ago, I realized that my giddy passion had given way to serenity, by which I mean that I realized that I just didn't want to watch tv any more, even on tivo. It was tivo that got me to this state of mind. It started by seeing how intrusive commercials were, and how much better tv was without it. The next phase for me was the realization of how manipulative the networks were with their program timing and scheduling; how wonderful to be free of that too! And then last summer I found I had dined at the table of paradise enough. I had actually watched enough episodes of The Simpsons, Futurama, Friends, Seinfeld, Frasier, and tons of other shows. To borrow an analogy from another slashdot writer, it was like the weekly trip to the hardware store after you've bought a new house, where one day you get there and you realize that you just don't need anything else, and you turn around and leave.

    This has been a profound experience for me. And I don't think I could have gotten here without Tivo. Maybe I would have and it would have taken longer, but I like to think it was tivo.

    Now I keep tivo around for the kid (Sesame St, etc).

    --
    - First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
    1. Re:Tivo freed me from TV altogether by Richy_T · · Score: 1
      Had something similar. Got the Tivo to work with my Dish satellite, then found that most of the good stuff was being recorded from over-the-air stations so dumped the satellite (which was mostly being used to channel surf when there was nothing better to watch. When it came down to it, we concluded that the only shows that were really "must see" and only on satellite were "The Daily Show" for me and "Eastenders" for her and that isn't worth $40/month).

      Now I am gradually finding that I have caught up with Simpsons, Futurama etc and that I'm not getting hooked on new shows that I didn't really want to watch anyway and the shows I was hooked on gradually go away.


      I doubt we'll ever completely get rid of TV in our house but my wife and I talk about the idea more and more often.


      Rich

    2. Re:Tivo freed me from TV altogether by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something similar happened in my house. Both me and my wife now rarely watch any TV. We usually only watch sports. I'm planing on watching the Yankees game and then the Cubs game, in order, when I get home from work.

      The only person that semi watches TV is our kid. 1/2 of what he watches are old Croc Hunter and Jeff Corwin that were recorded last year.

    3. Re:Tivo freed me from TV altogether by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen. Took me about a week, though, to realize that there was just too much TV to watch, and that it would eventually take up all my time to watch just the stuff I liked. I then came to the realization that I could either spend the rest of my life catching up to and watching reruns of my favorite shows, or give up altogether (and free up some time). I chose the latter.

      Two days later, klingon bastards killed my free cable-modem-enabled basic cable (they added a screw-in line filter). My Tivo now lives (at least for a while) happily at a friend's who uses it to record the weekly 'West Wing' reruns.

      In retrospect, it was absolutely worth it. Freedom for about $600. Now I just grow my DVD collection :-)

  61. Spam on the main menu by qwertyatwork · · Score: 1

    Is there any way to get rid of the spam that gets added to the main menu on every update?

    1. Re:Spam on the main menu by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      I wish. This is the only thing I don't like about TiVo. At least it's a bullet point at the bottom of the menu that you can pretty much ignore. They should at least let you pick the general types of sponsors...or give you Google text ads like the latest free version of Opera now sports.

    2. Re:Spam on the main menu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This *really* ticks me off about TiVo... you pay a monthly fee and you still get SPAM on the menu. Someone must have a hack to kill that crap.

    3. Re:Spam on the main menu by The+Wicked+Priest · · Score: 1

      If you have access to a shell, you can do a one-time kill by starting up tivosh, and from there:

      MfsRubbishTree /MenuItem

      (and exit). Then you have to either wait for re-indexing, or restart it. However, it will come back within a day or so.

      A permanent kill is available for Series 1's -- apparently this can be found in an old thread on tivocommunity.com, though the topic is banned there now. I haven't found it for Series 2's yet.

      --
      Share and Enjoy: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
  62. Re:I wonder if you Americans realise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's because if my servants see this, they'll get grumpy.

    I tire of your prattle. Begone! Or I shall tell your master. Oh wait, that's me.

  63. Art? by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1

    Whether you want to just add a little capacity to your TiVo's drives or turn it into a full-blown home entertainment center hooked into your home LAN, Jeff Keegan has written a massive and all-encompassing book on this rewarding art." Read on for the rest of Jason's review.

    So.. Buying a book, then following steps 1 through 10 is considered art nowadays? I guess putting a mod chip in an Xbox is art, too. How about installing a new hard drive in my PC? Does that count?

    Save your money and go to a site like this one. Not very artsy but takes you through the steps.

    Hacking is an art, following other people's steps, line for line, is not. It's the artistic equivilant of a paint by numbers.. :]

    1. Re:Art? by Jason+Scott · · Score: 1

      I withdraw the use of the word "art" and replace it with "project". I suspect there are other similar issues in the review, if you wish to take issue with them.

      The best feature of Keegan's book is that it functions both as an instruction manual and reference manual. While the first half generally has both excited-sounding paragraphs and stories, it quickly hunkers down into both step-by-step instructions (for those of us in the "get it done" mode) and reference lists (for those of us who want to get "arty" and start programming customized functions and interfaces to the TiVos).

      Avoid getting hung up on a poor choice of words, focus on the intent; that's what makes you better than a compiler.

    2. Re:Art? by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1


      C:\>Awptimus_Prime --VERSION
      Awptimus Prime Build 0.91a

      C:\> _

  64. Re:I'm a tivo convert, whose converted away from t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Frey Technologies (the makes of SageTV) provide the data. That's part of the reason you pay a very reasonable fee for their software. They don't scrape their data.

  65. Hardware MPEG2 record and play needed by swb · · Score: 1

    ...is a necessity for any reeasonable video capture setup. I'm sure a vanilla P4 2.8 has the horsepower to do it in real time, but layering on Windows, unplanned interrupts + preemption, and other active hardware INVARIABLY leads to dropped frames or other glitches.

    I'm actually quite surprised that nobody has managed to build a card that will do MPEG2 record and play in hardware as well as assisting conversions to/from MPEG2 *and* sold it for under $1k. Whenever I've looked for one I always end up in the 'prosumer' market looking at expensive cards.

    You can do fairly well with firewire capture, but then you STILL are stuck with painful MPEG2 conversion if you want to make DVDs or SVCDs, which I think most people reasonably want to end up with eventually.

    I"m actually surprised Apple of all people hasn't decided to just embrace MPEG2 and stick a really good MPEG2 chip in their systems for this purpose. "Look Ma, MPEG2 conversion/capture/play and 0 percent CPU utilization."

    1. Re:Hardware MPEG2 record and play needed by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

      I'm actually quite surprised that nobody has managed to build a card that will do MPEG2 record and play in hardware as well as assisting conversions to/from MPEG2 *and* sold it for under $1k

      Hauppage's USB-connected WinTV-GO does MPEG2 encoding and costs less than $50.

      How do I know it does MPEG2 encoding when they haven't released the specs?

      Because it lists the CBR MPEG2 versions supported, and notes that CBR's higher than 6 Mbps must use USB2 for transfer... 8Mbps is the highest USB1.1 transfer rate for a bulk device...

      Therefore, the stream coming in from the Hauppage must match the final MPEG2 stream size, and unless the software transcodes, it must be MPEG2...

      Oh and if you want a card with similar functionality, look at the PVR250 and PVR350 cards from the same company. Both come in well under $1k, and do both the encoding and decoding onboard.

      --
      I am disrespectful to dirt! Can you see that I am serious?!
  66. Amazon Exclusive? Are you sure? by Milalwi · · Score: 1

    When I ordered this book from Amazon, I found out it was an Amazon exclusive, so that's the only place to get it right now. On the other hand, I was able to get my copy in a very short time, so I'm fine with that ... but I hope that you can get it in other places in the future.

    Well, I saw it at a Borders last Friday (10-October), so perhaps other Borders have it, too?

    Milalwi
  67. Re:I'm a tivo convert, whose converted away from t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Maybe you don't pay for it, but someone is paying. How sustainable is such a setup?"

    How sustainable is commercial supported TV if everyone skips the commercials?

  68. Re:I'm a tivo convert, whose converted away from t by gatekeep · · Score: 1

    How does it know to not record programming that sucks if you can't give something a thumbs-down or equivalent?


    You can flag a show 'don't like' but unlike tivo, you don't have to use the thumbs up. Merely watching shows will tell the software that you like it. This intelligent recording doesn't record related shows, or shows with a similar word in the topic, so I don't get things like 3 hours of 'house & home' on the shopping channel because I watched 'this old house.' It's much more intuitive than TiVo and requires much less thought and input from the user.

    Putting aside the fact that you can pay a one-time fee for TiVo's service...your integrated schedule is not free. Maybe you don't pay for it, but someone is paying. How sustainable is such a setup? Out of curiousity, who produces your guide data?

    Well, the software costs $59.95, but beyond that initial purchase price I pay no monthly fee, and I don't have to pay an additional fee. I suppose you're right that I'm paying for it upfront, but at $60 for the software and the guide data, it's certainly less painful than paying $300 for a lifetime tivo subscription. The people who make sage (Frey Technologies) get their guide data from zap2it - the same provider TiVo uses. I don't know what their costs are but I don't really care either.

    There's also a plugin which allows for import XMLTV data, so even if Frey or Zap2it were to go under, I'd be able to get data into the application.

    Good questions, you really ought to give the website a glance. It explains far more than I could possibly squeeze into a post here.

  69. Re:I wonder if you Americans realise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, he's right. The pawns *don't* move themselves. I don't know what's so moronic about that.

    I think you think he's moronic because he's suggesting that there's something *manipulating* the pawns and that that something might be America (which, again, isn't that moronic.)

    You may also object to his final jibe -- calling the poster a "pawn". This, yes -- this is perhaps moronic. But no more so than a lot of the anti-americanism that gets spouted off here and elsewhere.

  70. Chapter 47: Advanced Techniques for Being Lazy by richardmilhousnixon · · Score: 1

    A BOOK for fans of TiVo!? . . . 500 pages that completely miss the point.

    --
    -- sometimes AND gates turn me on.
  71. Re:I wonder if you Americans realise... by dotwaffle · · Score: 1

    Look, at the moment, what America says, goes. What will change it is if they _lose_ a war. Rather than just come to a settlement ala Iraq.

  72. Re:I wonder if you Americans realise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Already happening. One of the reason America invaded Iraq is because OPEC nations are considering moving off the dollar standard, possibly to a Euro standard. The dollar is what makes the U.S. the superpower (the ungodly military spending is primarily for cronyism, it doesn't seem to be helping much in holding Iraq).

    See #19 - http://www.projectcensored.org/Publications/2004/i ndex.html

  73. Re:I wonder if you Americans realise... by CommieLib · · Score: 1

    You are ants to our god- oh, hang on, I'm late for the swing shift at Arby's. I'll finish with you later, insignificant insects!

    --
    If your bitterest enemies are people who hack the heads off civilians, then I would say you're doing something right.
  74. And thank God, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We don't want people who think "Kids In The Hall" is funny recording television shows. That's just wrong.

  75. Series 1 vs. Series 2 by McSpew · · Score: 3, Informative

    Okay, because you asked for it, here are the major differences between Series 1 and Series 2 standalone devices:

    Series 1

    • PowerPC CPU (~43MHz), 16MB RAM
    • Analog modem, serial port, IR blaster port
    • Latest software revision: 3.0.xx
    • No USB ports
    • Disk space easily expandable to 240GB with TiVo-compiled kernel. Some users have compiled custom kernels to enable support of HDs larger than 127GB
    • No anti-hack code built into BIOS or kernel
    • To encourage people to upgrade to Series 2 TiVos, TiVo has apparently ceased development of software for Series 1 devices. It looks like 3.0.xx is the last version Series 1 owners will ever see.

    Series 2

    • MIPS CPU (~200MHz), 32MB RAM
    • Analog modem, serial port, IR blaster port
    • Latest software revision: 4.0.xx
    • 2 USB 1.1 ports included (some TiVos have USB 2.0-compatible hardware, but the kernel has not enabled USB 2.0 compatibility)
    • Disk space easily expandable to 240GB with TiVo-compiled kernel
    • BIOS has anti-hack code. Will only load kernel signed by TiVo. TiVo-signed kernel will only load code signed by TiVo, effectively eliminating hacks without replacing BIOS.
    • TiVo officially supports USB-ethernet dongles for features such as daily call and Home Media Option. Someday, TiVo may offer home network-based multi-TiVo conflict resolution, allowing you to use all tuners on all TiVos as if they belonged to a single monster TiVo.

    There are people who've successfully hacked the Series 2 TiVos by replacing the BIOS with one that has the signature-check edited out, but that requires soldering, which is more than most TiVophiles are comfortable with.

    In contrast, people with Series 1 devices have added ethernet cards, installed more RAM, installed Apache and a full web-based UI for programming TiVo, etc.

    I own a couple of Series 1 standalone TiVos, but don't own any Series 2 standalones. I do own an HDVR2, which is the second generation DirecTV-integrated model. I haven't done anything to it yet.

    1. Re:Series 1 vs. Series 2 by M-G · · Score: 1

      Excellent. Thanks for the summary. So if I'm looking at used boxes on eBay or elsewhere, the USB port is the key way to tell, regardless of the manufacturer?

    2. Re:Series 1 vs. Series 2 by zsmooth · · Score: 1

      There are also people who have hacked the Series 2 without changing the BIOS. Search tivocommunity and dealdatabase for "2 kernel monte". It's not for the faint of heart.

  76. TIVO useless by baomike · · Score: 1

    I bot one last month and took it back the next day.
    The reasons:
    The unit only will control IR sat receivers, half of
    ours are UHF(sat recv. is in a dif room).
    The unit can not be set to record a program with out
    the subscription. Why I don't know. I basicly wanted
    a VCR with no tapes.
    When TIVO goes chap 11 what do I do, stack it on my DIVx player or under my BetaMax??
    The menu service is limited to only DISH and Direct
    sat services, no ExpressVu.

    Great idea , bad execution.

    1. Re:TIVO useless by wyatt12 · · Score: 0

      your right... you want a digital vcr only. a tivo is not that... it is so much more.. build yourself a pc based box.

    2. Re:TIVO useless by cmay · · Score: 1

      "The unit only will control IR sat receivers, half of ours are UHF(sat recv. is in a dif room)." You mean your remote for the satellite uses UHF to change channels? Wow, never heard of that. How would a normal VCR do this then? "The unit can not be set to record a program with out the subscription." I think you are misinformed. (unless Series2 TiVos are VERY different from the Series1 I have had for 5 years). You can TOTALLY use TiVo to record without having program data. You simply select "Manually Record By Time" (or something), and it will ask you for a channel/start time/end time, along with repeat options (every monday, every tuesday and thursday etc..) I agree that selling the program data is stupid, but I paid for the lifetime subscription when I got it (for 199) and have loved every minute of it. It's great!

  77. TiVo 1 TiVo 2 by H8X55 · · Score: 1

    i have a 60 hour series 2 in my living room. i got the lifetime subscription on that. it is connected to my network via a linksys 802.11b wireless usb adapter. i'm thinking about getting a series 1 to hack, and put in the bedroom. if i buy one off eBay would i have to resubscribe, or the subscriptions transfer?

    1. Re:TiVo 1 TiVo 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      subscriptions are machine based.
      new machine = new subscription.
      otoh: if the machine is already subscribed... :)

  78. I do love my RePlay by MadAnthony02 · · Score: 1

    I have a 5060, from back in August when Amazon was running a promo with a $50 rebate and a $50 Amazon gift certificate with purchase. I bought the RePlay over the Tivo because of the deal, as well as the fact that it has built in networking (I use my roomate's DSL but I don't have a phone line, I'm all cellular). My roomate has one too, and it's great being able to send shows to him or watch shows from his over the network.

    I'm not all that impressed with commercial advance though - it works well some of the time, but I watch some shows that cut to black (like Law and Order with those black screens with the location in white text) that seem to confuse it.

  79. Wish I had some mod points by ctrimble · · Score: 1

    I think this is an insightful comment. I don't have TiVo, so I can't claim the same view, but I think your experience is interesting and I'm glad you shared it.

    1. Re:Wish I had some mod points by Stiletto · · Score: 1


      I have to say I share his experience. It was the constant deluge of un-interrupted TV shows that poured from my (former) TiVO that convinced me of how much crap the idiot box really has to offer. After realizing that no, there really isn't anything interesting on, I gave up my TV (and the TiVO along with it) for good.

      Being free from the electric teet has totally improved my free time.

  80. alternatives ??? what others ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I watch TV with an antennae. I'm sure there
    are many people who are on the road, driving with kids, camping etc. who also watch TV through the air channels. Is there a system out there that i can buy that will do the simple things of DVR/PVR's ???
    all i want is to be able to Pause live tv for an hour or two. Dont want to record or anything like that. just want to have a pause, replay, skip functions.... I dont understand why something like this not in the stores.

  81. Series I For sale by wmarcy · · Score: 1

    I got one, if you want one, let me know.

    1. Re:Series I For sale by happifella · · Score: 1

      I have been looking for one for a while. Email me offline if you still have it for sale. Thanks happifella@yahoo.com

  82. best pvr... by tunesmith · · Score: 1

    I've read through the comments looking for the most highly recommended PVR and here's what I come up with so far:

    Most Tivos are Series 2 instead of Series 1, which means a lot less flexibility

    There are DirecTivos for cheap but they require a DirecTV subscription

    You can build your own and install MythTV (free) or Sage ($$).

    There's also ReplayTV which last I heard is pretty good.

    What others are there that are good buys?

    --
    skkkoooonnnggggkkk ptui
    1. Re:best pvr... by mabu · · Score: 1

      How can you tell if your Tivo is series 1 or 2?
      Is the Philips DVR7000 series 1?

  83. Bookpool is a better deal... by KC7GR · · Score: 1

    ...than SpAmazon. And Bookpool will never spam you like Amazon will, given half a chance.

    The book is still in pre-order state from Bookpool, but they'll ship it to you when it hits. You can check the details at this link.

    --

    Bruce Lane, KC7GR,

    Blue Feather Technologies

    1. Re:Bookpool is a better deal... by DirkDaring · · Score: 1

      Amazon spams? I have yet to recieve an email from Amazon beyond my order confirmation, I've ordered from them for years.

  84. Time Warner PVR by HedRat · · Score: 1

    From the comments/features I've read about TiVo, I have all those and more with TW'rs PVR for $5/month.
    Period. If it breaks, they give me a new one. The DVR is integrated with the guide which d/l's over the cable (no phone line req'd). Has a Series Manager (like Season Pass) with infinite control of repeats/days/channels/time slots/number to keep/etc. I haven't turned on my VCR since I got it six months ago.

  85. Answers from the author to some FAQs by jkeegan · · Score: 3, Informative
    Hi, I'm the author of the book. Here's the answer to a few of the questions asked here and elsewhere about my book.

    Q: I'm confused.. Where can I buy it again?
    A: Only at amazon.com. Anyone who's ever written or knows a writer knows how little writing pays, so if you'd like to give more at no cost to yourself, use that link. :)

    Q: Can't I get all of this for free elsewhere?
    A: Absolutely, the hacks talked about are all out there. What this book does is bring them together in one place, walk you through them with a consistent voice, and start you off on what's needed to write your own hacks (for example, with a description of the internal APIs TiVo has to access their proprietary MFS filesystem, etc). I've had many friends who are competent developers who wanted to try implementing a few ideas in their TiVo, but didn't want to play the catch-up game of reading through thousands of posts to try to gleam what collective knowledge we've all accumulated. Re-inventing the wheel might be fun, but it's not as fun as creating something of your own using the creations that have preceded you.

    Also, many of the sites that used to host various TiVo hacks have disappeared because the authors have moved on to other things. I wanted to make sure these hacks were collected in one permanent place (on the CD-ROM for the book).

    Q: Does your book cover Series2?
    A: Yes and no. Series2 users can use the book and accompanying CD-ROM to add larger hard drives to their TiVo, and to mount Series2 drives. As for describing how to get a bash prompt, that I don't describe, for various legal reasons (the exemptions granted under the DMCA aren't as nice as my publisher would like them to be). Once you've gone off to find out how to do that (via the BASH_ENV and 2-kernel-monte exploits described at places like dealdatabase.com), much of the book still applies.. (even though I don't ship series2 binaries for everything, my descriptions of the tools and the development talk still applies and makes for interesting reading).

    Q: Does your book cover Series1 DirecTiVos?
    A: Yes, although again for legal reasons there's one step where I tell you in the book that you need to look elsewhere first (obtaining a bash prompt by flashing your prom). If you purchase a TurboNET card (as I'd imagine you will if you have a Series1 DirecTiVo) then the software on the TurboNET site will flash the prom for you so you can move on. Once that step is done, the rest of the book applies to your DirecTiVo completely (with the exception of video extraction).

    Q: Hey, yeah, video extraction.. Do you cover video extraction?
    A: Yes, I cover video extraction (and insertion), for Series1 standalones only. Series1 DirecTiVos scramble video by default, and though there is a simple hack out there to disable this scrambling, I'm prohibited legally from talking about it in the book. I don't cover Series2 extraction either.

    Those are the main five I get asked most. I spent many months on this, and I'm glad that people finally have a chance to read it. I hope everyone enjoys the book! More than that, I hope this attracts new developers to this great platform.

    --

    ..Jeff Keegan
    seven syllables explain TiVo: kee gan dot org slash ti vo
    1. Re:Answers from the author to some FAQs by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      Excellent. Just completed ordering my copy.

      --
      If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
  86. Speed (kinda OT) by cafebabe · · Score: 1

    I have a 20-hour Series 1 and have wanted to put in a larger disk for a while. The problem is that I'm afraid it will slow it to a crawl. As it stands, it takes a good 5-10 minutes to make any changes to my season passes or my wishlists. I have 100+ SPs and about 50 WLs and the processing gets slower and slower with each one. I'm thinking of upgrading to Series 2 just for the faster processor and increased memory.

    Anyway, can anyone tell me whether increasing the storage space would slow it down even further? Most of the slowness probably comes from increased database processing with all of my SPs and WLs, but I was afraid that the additional memory addressing with a larger disk would push it over the edge.

    Has anyone had experience with this? Is this a valid concern?

    --
    When violence rules the world outside / And the headlines make me want to cry / It's not the time to just keep quiet
    1. Re:Speed (kinda OT) by Phantom100 · · Score: 1

      I upgraded from 40 to 173 hours. The only place I have noticed a speed change is in the "Now Showing" screen, but that probably has more to do with the fact that I pretty consistently have around 100 shows recorded than with the upgrade itself.

  87. Hodge-podge cards are *JUNK* by swb · · Score: 1

    Haven't used the USB one, but I have personal experience with the 350 and a close friend has had experience with the 250.

    The 350 I got wouldn't even work at all on my system until I called Hodgepodge technical support and downloaded all new "beta" drivers and firmware. Even then it was appalling -- on a P3 1.03Ghz box, CPU was pegged at 100% during recording and playback, rendering the apps nearly unusable.

    The MPEG2 files created by the 350 are not compliant with DVD players, none would play on another system with a software DVD player installed that WILL play MPEG2s from TMPGENC or other sources.

    And speaking of their software, it is a disgusting HODGE-PODGE of codes from here, drivers from there, apps from six other places. You don't get good integration with anything, especially higher-end products like Premiere.

    Sorry, but if you want something worthwhile that works well, then the cheapie hodgepodge solution doesn't cut it, and you're looking at a $1k card from someone like Matrox.

    1. Re:Hodge-podge cards are *JUNK* by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

      I have heard similarly anectodal evidence that the 250PVR and 350PVR products allow one to do MPEG2 timeshifting on a C3 800 MHz... I have that exact system with an ATI TVWonder, and I can say for certain that this application is not possible with an all-software encoder.

      The bottom line is, I think, YMMV. FYI, the MythTV and freevo guys are both working on compatibility with the Hauppage PVR lines, and getting pretty impressive results out of them.

      --
      I am disrespectful to dirt! Can you see that I am serious?!
    2. Re:Hodge-podge cards are *JUNK* by swb · · Score: 1

      The bottom line should be that you're mileage *shouldn't* vary; a card inserted into one box should do what it does on any other box. I have that kind of luck with video cards, NICs, SCSI, etc providing that drivers and other software bits are all well-written.

      The hodgepodge hardware may do well when someone writes better drivers and software for it, but AFAIC under Windows it was a joke.

  88. Re:I wonder if you Americans realise... by worldthinker · · Score: 1

    heh, we haven't seen anything yet. My take on all this is that American economy has depended on massive demand for American Dollars and the parking of money in American institutions e.g. banks, stock markets, real estate etc. instead of in home countries. We stoke this demand by fomenting political and economic instability in various parts of the world. Wealthy people just "feel safer" parking their money in the USA. I see this changing over the next several years. Already the Japanese are seeing an increased need for resources at home and are pulling investments from America. This along with the maturing Euromarket will cause the US Current Accounts to go negative (they already have) and this will affect exchange rates causing the cost of imported goods AND Capital to rise. We will have double digit interest rates again. You think its bad now with 3 million jobs lost and some permanently to offshore. When there is actually a capital squeeze we will have famine and conditions not seen here since the civil war.

  89. Just $60? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good to know that they give PCs away with tuner cards in them.

    Oh wait, you had to buy a PC for it first. And at least one supported tuner card. And a license for Windows...which itself needs to be kept up to date.

    1. Re:Just $60? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The total cost for my SageTV PC came out to around $500. That's still cheaper than a TiVo with a lifetime subscription.

    2. Re:Just $60? by gatekeep · · Score: 1

      If all that's wanted is a single SD tuner machine with svideo output, comparable to a tivo, it can be put together for about the same cost as a tivo with lifetime subscription and HMO. And it'll do a ton more.

      Yah, my total cost isn't $60, but I still think it's a good value for what it gives. ... Why must I feed the trolls?

  90. Re:I'm a tivo convert, whose converted away from t by stickyc · · Score: 1
    Currently, I'm using SageTV It's a PC based DVR software package... this requires having two tuners and an HDTV tuner.

    Yowza. Sounds good. Out of curiosity, what was your cash outlay for the hardware and how long did it take you to get it running in it's current (assumedly perfect) state? Can you write up some documentation so my parents can set one up in an afternoon?

  91. Answers (was Re:So TiVo is a really big VCR) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Why is it a nightmare? I hate personalization of any kind. I hate when anybody or any machine tries to predict my behaviour or interests. YMMV, and if so, that's a feature to you. To me it's a disturbing bug.

    2. How often do I copy one videotape to another one? Frequently. Every time I rent videotapes I copy them all immediately thereby time-shifting when I watch them. It's trivial to do this with a non-Macrovision VCR, and I do it all the time.

    3. What if I need to go compile my kernel in the middle of a show? Yes, I need to do many happy Linux things. But I can't think of a single TV show I have ever cared about having interrupted.

    As I said, YMMV. Go forth and prosper, enjoy your TIVO. But to me, yes, I'm familiar with them, and yes, TIVOs are a big yawn. Maybe some day they will reach the capability and functionality of my VCRs.

    I like new technology. I'm a gearhead and a geek. But I don't like it if it fails to present me with features I previously have been accustomed to. DVD players suck. TIVO does too. Sometimes analog is better. I embrace technology, but I embrace only BETTER technology. My idea of what's better is different than yours. Plenty of room in the world for us all. No need to be a TIVO zealot, there are many of us out here who yawn when you speak.

  92. Another possibility... by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 1
    TiVo: You love it or you haven't met it.

    That, or you don't watch TV.

    The ability to timeshift is a great idea, but applying it to television is less inspirational. I want them to expand this technology!

    I wanna be able to do post-facto timeshifting of stuff like sleeping. Who wouldn't like to timeshift sleeping hours into the time spent stuck on hold, in a waiting room, or being talked at by proselytizers?

    --
    Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachtani?
    www.fogbound.net
  93. Hinsdale is the best by e40 · · Score: 1

    I bought a 120GB drive for by DirecTivo from Hinsdale. Now I have 146 hrs (approx). I didn't really have the time to play with it, nor the spare PC to mess with preping the drive, so I paid the premium. Instructions were excellent and it worked without a hitch. Check it out.

  94. Re:I'm a tivo convert, whose converted away from t by Artifex · · Score: 1
    I no longer use my old Series 1 tivo. The hacks are nice, but with something based on a PC, the sky's the limit.


    Can I have it?
    --
    Get off my launchpad!
  95. furious_tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or you could use an open source option like furious_tv. You're free to modify that since it's open source.

    Also, it comes with a handy GNOME interface called ftv_gnome. Just set up X forwarding and you've got a convenient network interface.

  96. Sheesh, support the Tivo dambit! by OpenSourceOfAllEvil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I could use something cheaper but I use TiVo. I can build a PVR but I use TiVo. Heck, I could do a much better job than the lame homebrew alternatives I've seen posted here (vidcap cards that can't sync audio). I do it not simply becuase I think they did it better. Few corporations out there "get it". TiVo does. They have not only been hacker friendly, turning a blind eye to nearly all of it, but put in the minimal amount to keep the MPAA happy in newer models. They are also respectful of privacy in an industry that doesn't. Recently a TiVo exec in a TV interview explained the level of privacy intrusion commercial PVRs are capable of. Not only could they report to interested parties that you watched Bend It Like Beckham at 2:00AM last night but you freezed framed on Kiera Knightley's upskirt cartwheel for 20 minutes. Most companies in a position to collect and distribute information like this are all to happy to profit and obfuscate their actions under a general license agreement. TiVo doesn't. They tell you exactly what they collect and where it goes. There also keen on keeping it this way. Instead of just screaming violently at the groups that want to violate our electronic freedoms shouldn't we support the ones that think like us? We need to support the few companies like this with our cash so maybe more will "get it". If respecting privacy isn't profitable what corp. is going to care? We already now what side the government is on.

  97. Re:I'm a tivo convert, whose converted away from t by thoth · · Score: 1

    I also converted away from TiVo, but mostly just for fun. Part of my decision was based on the fact I had 3 problems with the 2 TiVo's I had, in just over a year (TiVo series 1 hard drive died after 8 months, the replacement TiVo series 2 hard drive died after 4 months, finally the ID chip was faulty thus requiring another service).

    So, I thought, why not try a PC based system? I build a system that cost about $800:

    Shuttle SS51G XPC
    Intel 2.4 GHz CPU
    512 MB memory
    160 GB Seagate HD
    LiteOn CDRW/DVD
    Hauppauge WinTV 350

    Before you claim $800 is so expensive, consider an 80 hour TiVo lists for $350, lifetime membership costs another $300, and the home media option is another $100.

    My system works well enough for me, allowing me to record TV to the harddrive, play music, show pictures, etc. Plus, I can burn SVCD's and so forth. The scheduling is done via TitanTV which worked okay. My system can also double as a DVD player, but I haven't looked into getting the best possible sound and picture out of it (i.e. DVI and SPDIF).

    One thing the TiVo did I couldn't get working is watching a show while it is recorded - with TiVo I would watch a show starting 15 minutes into it, then just skip commercials and catch up to live TV.

    I don't use any PVR software like SnapStream or ShowShifter or whatever, so at the moment the TiVo interface is far superior.

    Their are advantages and disadvantages both ways. But, I think building your own is something reasonable. If I hadn't had such rotten luck with TiVo hardware I might have stayed. But the policy on lifetime memberships always irritated me, not being able to transfer between systems. That happened to me with my TiVo 1. In the future, when TiVo 3 or 4 comes out and does HDTV decoding, you'll have to buy another unit and start up another membership... but people who roll their own should just be able to get an HDTV card and be set.

  98. Well if you had a TiVo, you'd know how. by OpenSourceOfAllEvil · · Score: 1

    Orexin produced by the hypothalmus is what keeps us awake. Without it the brain returns to its natural state of unconsciousness. At night our body clock tells the hypothalmus to reduce its production and we go to sleep. I learned this this week because my TiVo recorded a science program for me based on my interests. So, chances are there was already a program on timeshifting your sleep but you missed it because you don't have TiVo. I suggest buying a TiVo and putting the words "timeshifting" and "sleep" as your keywords. There's also a serious concern is that orexin regulation may be used to make 24 hour work force. So be careful what you wish for.

  99. Re:I'm a tivo convert, whose converted away from t by buck_wild · · Score: 1

    If you're willing to forgo the Tivo service fee anyway, giving them $0 revenue, perhaps you should look into programming your Tivo.

    Let me break it down for you:

    Stock DirecTivo unit: ~$200 per Ebay
    HU (football) Card: ~$75 per Ebay (note: make sure it is guaranteed to receive preview channels)
    Card Programmer: ~$100 Various places

    This assumes you already have a dish, but if not those can be had for ~$100. All estimates are over what I've seen on Ebay due to the nature of auctions. All auctions I looked, however, had less than 15 minutes remaining.

    Can your computer-based solution handle HD TV? If so, that may be the way to go, as the above unit will not.

    --
    If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
  100. OMG! You are such a fuck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the most idiotic post i have ever fucking seen you fucking moron mother fucking cock sucking fucking bitch.

  101. Step right up and play two kernel monte! by Otto · · Score: 1

    There are people who've successfully hacked the Series 2 TiVos by replacing the BIOS with one that has the signature-check edited out, but that requires soldering, which is more than most TiVophiles are comfortable with.

    If you really want to do it, then there is a way without soldering. It ain't exactly legal, but it works.

    A quick explanation of the Tivo's protection methodology:
    -The hardcoded BIOS boots up and checks the kernel. It's looking for a signature on the kernel. Since we don't have Tivo's private key, we can't fake or recreate the kernel's signature. If the kernel signature is valid, it boots the kernel.
    -The kernel has a chunk of code that checks every file on the root partition. If it doesn't match, then the kernel replaces that file with the right one before continuing on. This pretty much eliminates changing any files on the drive.

    And that's how it works. The BIOS protects the kernel, the kernel protects everything else.

    The trick to fixing this is, ah ha, an exploit that they accidentally left in one particular BETA kernel which then made it out into the wild. The exploit was removed, but the kernel was already out there.

    I believe it was the U5 kernel. Anyway, the exploit is that a BASH environment variable could be set in the boot options and the kernel didn't clear it before booting up the shell. So what you do to get in and actually trick out the kernel is as follows:
    - Use the BETA kernel. This kernel has protections, and so you have to have a correct filesystem for it to see.
    - Create the BASH env variable such that, when the shell starts, it mounts a new partition with a modified, and therefore unsigned, kernel on it, swaps the root partition out with another, and does a two card monte trick with the kernel. The two card monte trick is where the running kernel loads a module that actually replaces the entire kernel with another one and starts it up. Neat trick, actually. This swaps the unsigned kernel into the kernel space, and bypasses the BIOS check, because the BIOS check is already finished and done.

    Then all you do is use a copy of the latest kernel, and modify it slightly to eliminate the initd check of the partition. Two card monte swaps the unsigned kernel in and it runs just fine now that the BIOS check isn't stopping it dead in it's tracks.

    The beauty of this hack is that Tivo can't fix the problem without changing the code in the BIOS/PROM chip. The U5 kernel that actually has the flaw is signed. They can't unsign it. The boot code there has the public side of the keyset and will read that kernel as signed forever and ever and ever. The new kernel can't detect that it's been two card monte'd into memory. It could check it's own signature, but that's as easily disabled as the initd part of the kernel is disabled. So once you have a two card monte set up and running, you just need a few good partitions to set it up in and then you have to slightly reconfigure it whenever they release new code for the box (basically disabling the initd in the new kernel and setting the boot params back to the U5 kernel on your other partition), but other than that it's wide, wide open.

    Now, this ain't exactly legal, as the U5 kernel is Tivo's code, not yours. Or maybe it is, as the thing is the linux kernel. It's GPL'd. I'm not sure about that, as they never released U5 to the public that I'm aware of. In any case, it works. Search around dealdatabase.com and you'll find it.

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    - Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
  102. Oops, side note by Otto · · Score: 1

    I just wanted to say that it's also an interesting case from a security standpoint. Their method of having a hardcoded and difficult to change BIOS protecting the system via hard crypto was basically unbeatable for a while. But when one exploit was found in one version of their signed code, then the system was basically broken open then, and forever more. I think it showcases an important flaw with using public key type signatures on executable code when you have absolutely no way to revoke that signature. One mistake, and your security is history or can be made to be history. All the hacker must have is one way to get in, and then the company can't undo that way in, even when they fix the flaw.

    I just found that very interesting, is all.

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    - Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
  103. Re:I'm a tivo convert, whose converted away from t by gatekeep · · Score: 1

    SageTV supports the Hauppage card fully, and allows for watching a show in progress like you're talking about. In fact, I did this just last night with the cubs game. Starting watching 20 mins late, FF'd all the commercials, and caught up to live around the 7th inning. And the scheduling interface beats the pants off TitanTV. If you're still using the Hauppage software, you don't know what you're missing.

  104. Re:I'm a tivo convert, whose converted away from t by gatekeep · · Score: 1

    Girlfriend has it. Even with the limitations, it's better than using an old VCR, and suits her needs fine.

  105. Re:I'm a tivo convert, whose converted away from t by gatekeep · · Score: 1

    The PC components probably cost me around $1200. A similar system could be put together much cheaper. I spent nearly $200 on the case alone since I wanted a case that looked at home in an entertainment center. I also went with low-noise fans and power supply, etc. The tuner cards were the bulk of it, HDTV tuners aren't cheap - nearly $300. The SD tuners are Hauppage PVR-250s, which go for around $100 each. A gyration (waive in the air)mouse and keyboard cost about $120. I also had to get a VGA->component transcoder to output the display to my HDTV.

    A single tuner, standard def setup could be put together using a Hauppage 350's Svideo out, and run on an Epia motherboard for probably around $600.

    Now, as for setup.. it's not too hard with Sage. The difficult part is in getting sage to work with a standard IR remote control. This required girder and USB UIRT, which isn't something for the faint of heart. But I've got it all controllable by my old TiVo remote (those peanuts are REALLY comfortable and laid out well.)

    Anyhow, my setup is definitely on the higher end of what's possible. If you're happy with just keyboard and mouse control, only want one tuner, and find svideo output acceptable, you can put together a much less expensive setup. Especially if you don't mind have a PC that looks like a PC in your entertainment center.

  106. Re:I'm a tivo convert, whose converted away from t by thoth · · Score: 1

    My computer based system doesn't do HDTV, but in theory it could, if I bought an HDTV card ;)

  107. Re:I'm a tivo convert, whose converted away from t by buck_wild · · Score: 1

    Are those made?? I'd begin converting away from Tivo today if I could get my hands on a resonably priced card like that.

    Of course, then I'd probably have to go to a dual-CPU machine to process that much data... Hmmm. How to convice the wife...

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    If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
  108. Concentrate on new things... by jkeegan · · Score: 1

    As I state several times in the book, anyone not taking full advantage of the forums (doing many searches during their initial learning phase, and much contributing later on) is missing out.

    Having been in the community for years using these hacks (and writing some of them), I couldn't agree more that the experience of being on the forum and sharing discoveries is huge.

    However reinventing the wheel is only so much fun. Many people would rather have a compiled place for the common agreed-upon knowledge, then move onto the new stuff they'll create on their own sooner. How much time do people really want to spend trying to get tivoftpd0.1 to work before finding the buried away posts that explain that it was completely broken and that you should be using tivoftpd0.2? I think it's much more interesting writing your own hack and releasing it than worrying about the mundane issues like getting file transfers set up and installing existing hacks.

    One other reason I was happy to write the book was to give people a place to send others when they hear the same (boring to them) question for the 500th time. Everyone wants to help out newcomers, but it's much more interesting talking about issues that haven't been fully reverse-engineered/understood yet than to rehash how to get your TiVo up and running on the net via PPP or a TurboNET card.

    Don't be a burden on the community by asking common questions you didn't get answered by your initial searches.. Everyone would agree that you should read a FAQ before posting questions - this serves as a detailed, guided, and interesting (if I do say so myself) intro to get you caught up-to-speed on what we've all been doing.

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    ..Jeff Keegan
    seven syllables explain TiVo: kee gan dot org slash ti vo
  109. Re:Amazon Exclusive? Are you sure? by jkeegan · · Score: 1

    Are you sure it was this book? From what my publisher told me, someone from amazon.com came by with a truck and picked up all of their copies directly.

    I'm curious as to whether any bookstores would buy copies from amazon.com and stock them on their shelves (or whether Borders has some special internal deal that otherwise isn't talked about).

    But anyway, as the author of the book, I can tell you that I've been told repeatedly (in no uncertain terms) that this is only available at amazon.com. I'd love to see an exception. :)

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    ..Jeff Keegan
    seven syllables explain TiVo: kee gan dot org slash ti vo
  110. Nope, sorry, you're wrong by jkeegan · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry to correct you, but you're wrong. I'm the author of the book. I've been told many times (in no uncertain terms) that it will only be available from amazon.com. Supposedly they came in a truck and picked up the copies from the publisher.

    Now if bookpool were to buy copies from amazon.com and sell them at a loss, well then they're insane. :)

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    ..Jeff Keegan
    seven syllables explain TiVo: kee gan dot org slash ti vo
  111. Answer... by jkeegan · · Score: 1

    Hi,
    I'm the author of the book. I answer this question in this slashdot comment here. If someone wants to mod that up, that'd make things a lot easier. :)

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    ..Jeff Keegan
    seven syllables explain TiVo: kee gan dot org slash ti vo
  112. Re:Amazon Exclusive? Are you sure? by Milalwi · · Score: 1

    Are you sure it was this book? From what my publisher told me, someone from amazon.com came by with a truck and picked up all of their copies directly.

    D'oh!

    No it was not. My mistake. I confused it with the "Tivo Hacks" book. One wonders how I could read the entire review and not understand which book it really was. I must have been especially stupid Wednesday afternoon. Wait! It was before I had my afternoon coffee! Yeah, that's it!

    Milalwi
  113. Re:I'm a tivo convert, whose converted away from t by gatekeep · · Score: 1

    Yup, they're made. $200-300. CPU isn't a problem since the board handles most of the decoding. You need a fairly large HD to store all that data though.

    Some HD tuners; MyHD, AccessDTV, HiPix, Fusion II.