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Hackers On Atkins
`Sean writes "Salon.com has published a story about Hackers on Atkins. Although going on a diet is the last thing on the minds of the stereotypical geek basking in the ambient radiation of multiple monitors for 15 hours per day, many hackers have been embracing Atkins because utilizing low-carb methods to modify the metabolism is analogous to hacking and overclocking the body. Others have been combining Atkins with other systems, such as John Walker's The Hacker's Diet. I've personally lost a hundred pounds so far and will toss in the obligatory if I can do it, anyone can ism."
The future of the stereotypical fat, bearded unix admin is in serious jeopardy.
Life in Orange County
From what I've heard, Atkins is extremely harsh on your kidneys, with some seriously bad side-effects when you use it for prolonged periods. Surely getting thin is not worth dying or having permanent renal damage for...
Daniel
Carpe Diem
The Atkins diet is really very convenient for hackers. All you have to do is order your standard pepperoni pizza, and then throw away everything below the pepperoni.
Atkins is dead.
George Bush + Linux = "I will not let information get in the way of the fight against Windows"
5 weeks. 15 pounds (so far).
I eat low carb cereal for breakfast, have meat, veggie and sugar free jello for lunch, more meat and a salad for supper. I have beef jerky, sugar free candy and sugar free jello for snacks.
I ate a lot of fat the first week. When I got used to it, I cut the fat. I walk around the block twice after supper.
Easiest diet I ever tried. I am aiming to lose 45-50lbs total.
Also, its good to eat a regular portion. If you stuffed yourself, you probably ate too much. Most restaurants will give you a dump-truck full so long as you hit their price point or $5~7 per person.
IANAD, but that's just my thoughts.
Atkins is okay, but there are better systems out there. Just focusing on diet isn't going to make a person healthy. You need to exercise, and especially strength-train. I would devote about 2/3 of my workout to full-body strength training, and 1/3 to cardio if you are trying to lose weight, and only work out 5 tims a week for 45 minutes. More is not better because of muscle catabolism that starts to really kick in after 45 minutes for most people. You should take in high GI carbs right after a workout, and ingest 1.5g of protein per pound of lean body mass. If you utilize the GI index and just take in very-low GI carbs, such as garbonzo beans, you can still have a carb rich diet instead of using Atkins. Atkins is right about these sugary foodsI eat 4 cans of tuna with brown mustard, 2 cans of garbonzo beans, several protein shakes, a turkey sandwich, and lots of milk. I get about 240g of protein a day. I used to be a small guy at 5'10" and 135lbs, then after a couple years of college I was 180lbs without any extra muscle, now I am back at 185lbs, but with only 11% body fat. I still have work to do, I'd like to by 185lbs at 7% bodyfat. I thought I would share this information with all of you. I hope it helps somebody change their life for the better.
The diet made him slip and fall and hit his head? Interesting. Did the diet actually put the ice there, or did it come up behind him and shove him?
This has to be the most ridiculous comparison for a diet I've ever heard. Instead of overclocking - pushing the body to do more (maybe working out?) - the Atkins diet makes the body digest itself because of carbohydrate depravation.
Want to know what the Atkins diet is like, in Nerd terms? It's like discarding all but 2 megs of ram and cannibalising your disk as virtual memory / swap space. "Hey, I'll save money by not buying a gym membership by just starving my body!"
Clogged arteries? Might want to crack a book... Atkins has been found to _improve_ cholesterol ratios.
The vitamin deficiencies, I have no answer to. We'll just have to hope that some day modern medicine will find a way to package multiple vitamins into some type of pill form.
Most people have terrible diets.
Fancy systems may or may not work, they may or may nto have nasty side effects.
The one that I think works best is simple.
Eat less and healthier, get some excercise, and drink water.
Few points, it is cheaper then most systems.
It is probaly cheaper then your current unhealthy diet. Drinking enough water, or excercising alone are going to improve your health.
John Cash, who used to be with iD Software, once published this diet plan in his .plan back while they were developing Quake II.
Plan:
Busy, busy, busy workin' on Quake2. I wish I could tell you about it, but I can't.
For now, I'll introduce "the Cash diet" to the world. I'd never really formalized my secret diet before, but the guys and girls (w00p) in my clan dragged it out of me one night. So here it is. [drumroll]
The Cash Diet Plan
==================
What to eat:
Red meat
Lots of it. Cooked rare or medium rare.
Burgers, steaks, meatballs.. whatever.
No steak sauce, but gravy or juice is good.
Fried stuff:
Mainly potato chips and french fries.
Not those lame baked ones; real ones with
salt and oil and fat (and flavor) and maybe
bbq, vinegar, or something hot/spicy.
Dessert
Good stuff, not that low fat/low calorie crap.
Whipped cream is a definite plus. Important
note: you are not restricted to only one.
Feel free to start out with a dessert as a
pre-appetizer appetizer.
Appetizers
Loaded nachos, Buffalo wings, Onion rings.
What to drink:
Non-diet soft drinks (preferably with high
levels of caffeine)
Real beer
Snacks:
Yes, of course. Anytime you want. I find
a snack to be good right before or right
after exercising. Contrary to what you might
be thinking, fruit is actually OK as a snack...
as long as you "wash it down" with a candy bar.
Exercise:
Hey, what kind of diet doesn't include exercise?
This is the key to my diet. There is only one
exercise that is aerobic, burns lots of calories,
and you'll actually enjoy doing. As an added
bonus it can be singles, couples, or even teams.
I'm talking, of course, about good old fashioned
sex. The more the better (but take it easy when
working out alone!) BTW, here's where that
whipped cream on the desserts can come in handy.
There you have it. I think it'll catch on.. I mean,
what is there not to like?
So, I hear you thinking: sounds great, but does it really work? Well, it does for me. I'm 5'10" and
weigh 125 pounds. I eat what I want, when I want, and "work out" as often as possible (w00p!!!)
Warning: There is one possible side effect of this diet... ummm... I have two of 'em... both boys So practice safe dieting.
Atkins diet is basically just a low calorie diet in disguise (as you eliminate carbs, you eliminate a major source of calories).
Also, as in ANY diet, under Atkins you are forced to pay close attention to your food consumption. This is a good, healthy thing in itself (to be aware of your food consumption). That awareness alone, regardless of the Atkins method specifically, may promote weight loss.
BTW, I suspect all Atkins' insulin, ketosis, etc. theory is all junk science.
Props to all those who have tried Atkins and lost weight. However, I can't understand how a diet that tells you not to eat pears, apples, etc. can be healthy for you. It will be interesting to see 10 years down the road what the long term effects of Atkins are.
Oh, I'm on the Drinking Man's Diet,
It came from a book I was loaned.
It's really terrific and quite scientific
And I'm half stoned.
For breakfast some cornflakes and vodka,
But cornflakes have carbohydrate;
So I don't eat those fattening cornflakes,
I eat the vodka straight.
Drink, drink, everyone drink;
It's not as bad as we used to think.
With every Manhattan your stomach will flatten,
So drink, drink, drink.
The Air Force invented this diet,
A fact which they hotly deny.
Of course they deny it, 'cause this is the diet
That got the Air Force high.
For lunch you can have three martinis,
What better lunch is there than that?
But caution: do not eat the olives,
'Cause olives make you fat.
Drink, drink, everyone drink;
It's not as bad as we used to think.
If pounds you would burn off, then turn on your Smirnoff,
And drink, drink, drink.
For dinner, a nice Scotch and soda
Now that oughtta help you to lose.
No whipped cream, no butter, just lay in the gutter
And booze, booze, booze.
Suppose you should meet a policeman,
Who says you've been quenching your thirst;
You just tell him it's physical fitness
And health comes first!
Drink (hic!), drink (hic!), booze everywhere (hic!);
Pass that decanter of bourbon there.
I'm fatter than ever, but here's what's so clever:
I don't care!
-- Allan Sherman
It's usually morbidly obese people who are doing this, and while I don't doubt it works, those people are still far from healthy. They still carry a few extra pounds, don't exercise, and they reek.
It's funny how humans have lived on a staple of grains, rice, potatoes for thousands of years, and billions around the world continue to do so, and now it's no good for you? No thanks, I'll continue to eat whatever I want in moderation, and exercise frequently. It's a lot easier and healthier than these fad diets.
SIG:Slashdot: indymedia for nerds.
Actually I take that back. One woman I know did loose weight on a high protein diet. She had been trying to get pregnant for many years, and when she did she went to the doctor and got a stern talking to about her weight, which when combined with the pregnancy wasn't a good thing. Like nearly life threatening.
So after the baby was born, she went on a high protein diet that was recommended by her doctor. Since she was very obese, her medical health insurance paid for it. She went through a special medical firm that specialized in this program. She had heart check-ups like daily to make sure there were no imbalances in um potassium I think, and she had a boatload of proscribed vitamins that she was taking to replace what she was loosing daily due to ketosis.
That medically managed program worked for her. Buy the book do-it-yourself jobbies are disasters. If you think you might qualify, see a doctor and find out if your health insurance will cover a medical program.
If not, then there is only one answer. I'm sorry I don't have the Opus cartoon to link to, but I do remember the quote after Opus's latest fad diet, a combination of the Parsley and Prunes diet and the Frog legs and Flatulence diet.
"Eat less and exercise more."
Darlin' there ain't no other way.
I myself am not a vegan, but my mother is. She's nearly 50 and she only requires about 5-6 hours of sleep, and is way more hyperactive than I am (I'm 20, and about 10lbs over where I'd like to be). She didn't go on the diet to lose weight or anything, just for health reasons.
I don't have the will power to do such a thing, but I know I'd be more mentally and physically active if I did.. And although the high meat intake of the Akins diet may cause people to lose weight, I know it would make me feel like crap in the long run, and give me cancer or something. I've also heard of people on the Atkins diet having real problems with energy, although most geeks don't expend much physical energy, the mental energy is still required.
utilizing low-carb methods to modify the metabolism is analogous to hacking and overclocking the body
Yeah, and overclocking often causes equipment to have a slightly shorter life span, doesn't sound good to me.
If anything I need to give up the coffee and start eating more plants.. And if anyone is interested in learning more about the diet here it is.
- Klowner
[Klown's Wallpapers]
Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about, or at least have been misinformed.
1) Atkins is not a starvation diet in any sense of the word. Sure, there are things that you should not or can not eat when on it, but it is far less restrictive than many or most other options. Most importantly, calories are not restricted. You not only are not expected to starve youself, but doing so would go against the principals of the diet plan.
2) Dr. Atkins died at the age of 72. He slipped and fell on an icy sidewalk, fell into a coma, and died a little over a week later. Neither his death nor his 2002 heart attack were in any way related to diet, as research will show.
3) It is not just 'fatasses' who find the diet effective. Many bodybuilders use Atkins or cyclic variation on the ketogenic diet in order to keep their bodies in peak shape. My father, who was athletic in his younger days but now is disabled and, due to his disablilities, physically unable to exercise has dropped close to 50 pounds on the Atkins diet, and is because of this is more able to lead a normal life.
Remember: Not all fud comes from Microsoft. The ADA has spread more than its share of misinformation. Most of the newer studies showing the Atkins plan as safe and effective were actually done to try to show that it was dangerous or ineffective. The researchers were forced to acknowledge that based on their experiments, this was not the case and it is indeed a safe and effective dietary plan.
Have you read the Moderator Guidelines yet?
You can't fool Mother Nature
Human beings did not evolve to subsist on protein. We evolved as *active* animals who browsed and hunted for food.
The current social environment mitigates against health. There is too much food available, too much stress, not enough 'meaningful personal connection' (loss of the tribe?), too little movement [exercise], etc.
It's understandable that a population that is grossly unhealthy seeks tweaked solutions to health.
Atkins, like many other tweaks, will sooner or later be found to cause health problems, and drop from favor.
What's unfortunate - and ironic - about all these body tweaks, is that there is a grain (pun intended) of truth in most of them. It's probably a good thing that people move away from refined carbohydrates, add reasonable amounts of healthy fat to the diet, consume a greater portion of protein relative to carbs than has been the case for the last several decades, etc.
Unfortunately, the 'overclocking' crowd hoes whole hog (pun intended, again) on this stuff - the water diet, the grapefruit diet, the protein diet, etc. A price will be paid.
The Atkins Diet not what Mother Nature intended, and she always has her way in the end.
What I would like to see is a more in depth analysis - by individual - of how different bodies matabolize different foods, or combinations of foods. That day is coming. When we're they're (it's a way off), we'll have a better idea about what 'works' for us as individuals, and be able to intelligently act on that.
One last thing: populations and food availability co-evolve. One of the reasons why the French and Italians do so well with a lot of wine is because they're been drinking it for hundreds of generations. Those who coudn't take the Italian, French, Chinese, or whatever diet, died off, and tended not to reproduce. Those who were left are the ones who were able to handle it, and thrive on it (for the most part).
There have been interesting studies that return Southwest American Indians to their original diets, lost generations ago. What's startling about these studies is that many individuals who were diabetic, or had other health problems, experienced dramatic returns to health, or major improvement as a result of diet.
We might say the same for the typical American diet, with it's high sugar, refined carbohydrate and other oddities. If we did nothing at all, over generations (many of them) an 'American' genotype would evolve that was able to deal with the current toxins in the American diet (even pesticides), and thrive on them.
Sure, Atkins will work very well for some small number of people over a long period of time. However, many more people will most likely pay a price in compromised health (or general frustration)over the long term with Atkins diet, or any other diet that doesn't work the way MOther Nature intended.
Alternatively, you can implement a life plan where you exercise and eat right (Atkins diet != right).
The key is to collect recipes for quick meals that are comprised of as few processed foods as possible. A George Foreman grill is a must. I suggest subscribing to the few men's fitness magazines that are out there, as they have both recipes and exercises for people in a hurry. The magazines are tailored for busy people. Buy the $16.95 Body For Life book as it is full of exercise and food tips.
Dumb bells and a weight bench are cheap, alternatively, you could just go for 30 minute walks. Avoid driving, when possible. Shitcan your pansy-assed Segway. Invest in a good bicycle.
Fad diets, like the Atkins diet, are just stupid shortcuts that work, somewhat, but don't think it's a healthy lifestyle. The Atkins diet is for lazy people who don't exercise much. You'll certainly get thinner, but not any healthier. And once you go off the diet, you'll just balloon up again. Whereas with exercise and more muscle, your body will burn more calories (and fat).
I'm a cycle messenger by trade. I have a very high carb, high excercise diet routine. The atkins diet does seem to work from what I hear from people ... work inasmuch as they lose weight. But is it healthy? People I know who have done atkinds have been close to delerium at points while following the diet. I know that some would consider my lucky to be doing the amount of excercise where I don't have to worry about it, but the brain needs some carbohydrate for concentration and such. A more apt solution would be a better balance between work and life for the office workers, if people have time to prepare and enjoy good food then they will eat better and have less problems with it. So many people just work work work and eat crap to fuel it and develop a problem with it while they aren't even looking.
It's not a diet where you just quit when you've lost weight. It's a change in your way of eating, and you can have still have a very proper diet on it. Once you've reached your goals, you can introduce some carbs back in (healthy ones, like fruits) to keep you at your ideal weight. You don't just quit and start eating pasta for breakfast, lunch and dinner. And, many people don't exercise because they're overweight, so losing weight often gets people interested in being more physically active.
Our "modern diet" is killing us, and since the government has been preaching "low fat" the past few decades, things have only gotten worse. People are eating more because carbs cause insulin surges which increase appetite.
Okay, this is from the perspective of one who has done Atkins, and been successful at it. Not "I heard from this guy" or "my sister's friend told me". Real experience.
I've struggled with my weight since I was in high school over 20 years ago. I've been up and down, weight wise, for a long time. Tried low fat, exercising like crazy, and just failed at it.
Finally, in February of this year, I went on Atkins for the third time (first was just a fad that I didn't do seriously, back in the 80s, second took me from about 250 lbs to 230 about three years ago,) determined to finish the plan and get to my goal weight. I also began exercising by walking on my treadmill and walking when golfing instead of using a cart.
To do Atkins properly, you spend a minimum of two weeks on "induction," which reduces your carbohydrate intake to 20 grams a day or less. This forces your body to stop using simple sugars and other carbs for fuel and start burning fat. You will most likely feel like crap for a couple of days during this phase, but it will pass.
Right about then, two wonderful things happen very quickly which are what makes the diet successful for so many people. First, you will begin to notice, within those two weeks, that your clothes are looser and, if you are weighing daily, a pretty dramatic loss of weight. This positive feedback is mostly water weight, but not entirely, and you feel like you're making progress.
Secondly, and more importantly, changing from consuming mostly carbs to mostly fats and proteins has the effect of making you feel full on much less food. In addition, your blood sugar levels stabelize and most people see "food cravings" (like eating a box of cookies!) going away. A low fat diet simply replaces fat with sugars to make the food more pallatable, and you end up with a bunch of empty calories and you're hungry a short time later.
You're told that you can eat as much as you want, so long as you keep the carbs low -- I'm not sure that I agree with that, you still need to keep an eye on calories, but the point is that after a couple of days, you could eat ten burger patties, but you'll be full after two and won't want to keep eating.
Once you've gone through induction, you can either stick with it (as I did) or start adding carbs back, a bit at a time, until you're eating a more balanced diet but still losing weight. You do have to stay away from sugars and simple carbs, though, because that will screw up your blood sugar levels.
Now, onto the myths. First, I have never seen (and I've looked) any reputable study that says that kidney damage has resulted from a healthy person (healthy in that they don't have existing kidney problems or AIDS or something) following this diet. Pointers to such a report (not something sponsored by the "American Bread Makers Association") would be appreciated, if they exist.
Secondly, people will tell you that it's unhealthy because you can't eat anything but meat. That's crap. There are loads of veggies that you can eat during induction, and you can add more, plus fruits, as you progress through the diet. I stayed on induction for seven months, and enjoyed salad every day, along with green beans, cauliflower, broccoli, etc.
Again, the proof is in the pudding (sugar free, if you please) -- in September of this year, I finished the diet, weighing 180 pounds, the first time in about 25 years that I've been the weight I'm supposed to be for my height. Now, I just check my weight periodically, and if it starts going up, I watch things for a couple of days.
Finally, the greatest help for this (or any) diet is a website I'd encourage you to use. It's free, and it tracks your caloric intake, exercise and weight. It's at Fitday
Good luck to anyone trying to lose weight. Regardless of how you go about it, it's the best thing that you can do for yourself.
Remember when "Low Fat" products were all the rage? The only problem with "low fat" is low fat usually doesn't mean low calories... Take Snackwell cookies for example, low fat doesn't mean shit if you're planning on eating the entire box in one sitting. Low carb is just another trend that is totally meaningless if you think it keeps you from counting calories.
The only reason diets like Atkins work at all is simple: just about everything has carbohydrates in it! There's so few things you can eat if you strictly adhere to the diet that you inevitably end up eating LESS CALORIES.
Howstuffworks has an excellent article on dieting and the gist of it is, you guessed it - limiting your calories consumed.
If you are willing to tolerate counting calories and figure out exactly what you need to maintain your desired weight, you can pretty much eat whatever you want. 100 calories of carbs = 100 calories of fat. If you're the type of person that needs a "banned foods"-type list to really feel like you're on a diet, Atkins probably is for you. If you're the type that can push away from the table - you probably don't need to do anything more than watch your calories.
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Atkins or any low carb diet will only work if you are fat. Once you get down to a reasonable 12-15% bodyfay, then the low carb diet will stop being effective. So you get to go through all of the annoyance of converting the keytones for energy instead of carbs, all of the discomfort, and without any of the benefits - BONUS!
Once you get to 12-15%, you are better off going to a isocaloric diet (even percentages of fats, carbs, and protein - where most all of the fats come from the Omega3/6/9).
If you go lower total calories on that during the week and then going high carbs on the weekend (or just one day if you are highly sensitive), then you can see an anabolic rebound which is beneficial to those that are weight lifting.
It should also be noted that if you are trying to compete at all in any sort of endurance event - doing anyting low carb diet at all is about as retarded as you can get.
If you feel that you are going to do that, at the very least, try to get a lot of fruit and fruit juices so as to be able to replenish your liver glycogen levels.
But again - if you are you competetive at an endurance event, you are likely under 15% bodyfat - which means that you are wasting your time on the low carb diet.
No matter what diet you are on, as long as the calories are less than your expendatures for the day (so you can also not diet at all and just exercise more), then you will lose weight.
If you are fat - then you will see fast and great results down to about 20% bodyfat or so - then after that, you will start seeing resistance.
Depending on how long you sat at your high bodyfat levels, your leptin levels might be your worst enemy at this point - the carb loading on weekends and caloric depletions on the weekdays will help counteract that.
Once you go back to normal eating, then your leptin levels will again come back to haunt you.
So you can't just diet and then go back to eating like a pig - it is a lifestyle change.
Or you could just live life on the edge and use DNP - again, no good for endurance runners - and really no good for anyone. Especially if you are inclined towards depression at all since it prevents the conversion of tryptophan to serotonin.
Generally speaking, there is a reason the FDA banned it from diet drugs back in the day - it is dangerous - although the most effective chemical in existance for burning fat.
There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
Personally, I consider that one of the best aspects of exercise. My day is full of enough nonstop distractions from ringing phones, clients "just stopping by", tight coding deadlines, meetings, wife demanding attention, kids demanding attention, yards demanding attention...it never ends. That 45 minutes of solitude every morning, when it's just me, my thoughts, and the foggy trail ahead, are the only things that keep me sane.
And for reference: A year ago I was 6' 285lbs. Today I'm 6'1" 179lbs. No fancy diets, no gimmicks, no body abuse. I just reduced the number of calories going into my body (1300-1600 a day depending on activity level) and made a point to exercise whether I wanted to or not. I don't pay attention to things like fat content, carb content, protein content, or any of those other distractions that make dieting seem so complex, I just watch the bottom line....daily caloric intake. It works for me with NO risk of health problems, it's worked for my wife (30 lbs in 4 months), and it's worked for everybody else who's tried it and stuck to it. The human body evolved to deal with two realities: 1) That people are constantly active. 2) That high calorie meals are rare. That we have eliminated these realities in the last 100 years says a lot for humanity, but the underlying fact still remains...if you want your body to operate at its peak, you have to subject it to the conditions it was optimized for. Just like computers. GIGO.
There is nothing so pathetic as seeing a beautiful young theory roughed up by a tough gang of facts.
For example, in the medical journal Angiology, there was a recent study of people on the Atkins diet for one year who decreased the blood flow to their heart by 40 percent and increased the inflammatory markers. Ketogenic diets like these can also cause dilation of the heart, or cardio-myopathy. The high saturated-fat levels in those high-protein diets are linked to certain cancers. Some cancers are exquisitely sensitive to levels of saturated fat. So much so, that there's a six-fold increase in certain cancers in the saturated fat ranges that you see in some of those diets you mentioned.
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Diets are always a bad idea. It's like exchanging long term health for a few months of looking fit. The point to living well should be becoming fit, not just looking fit.
A bit more than two years ago, I weighed 107 kg (you SI-challenged folks can surely do the math yourselves). Stopped eating sugar and starch, meaning no potatoes, rice, pasta, or bread. Started eating more salad and green veggies, but also stuff that in principle has lots of energy, like cheese. Lost 30 kg within half a year. Currently up a few kilos from low of 76 kg's because I've chosen to eat the occasional pizza. I didn't stop eating all carbs, just those I just named. Also, I didn't take up exercise, or try to eat less - just different.
Downside: had to get rid of all my clothes and get new ones.
Now, I don't claim to be an expert on nutrition, but this worked for me, and I plan to keep on eating this way. Had my cholesterol levels checked a year ago, everything was A-OK.
Those who don't know Lisp are doomed to reimplement it.
Eat less, excercise more. It's free and easy.
Free, yes. Easy? No way. I have tried excercising everyday for about 1/2 hour, and only lost about 5 pounds. That payoff is like earning less than min wage. Plus, jogging can be boring as hell, and more interesting activities like basketball leave you sore and injured often. I still excecize, but not every day.
As far as eating less, your body knows very well that your intake is less than it wants, and not only cranks up the cravings to high heaven, but also lowers your metabalism to compensate, negating the effects. Being hungry all the time is miserable. It is comparable to having a slowly tighting vice on your arm. Constant discomfort.
It is going against 4 billion years of evolution that pushes us to hord food in preperation for lean days of no supply. Lean days are less likely in the modern world, but our body does not know that. Evolution is blind.
And, diet food tastes like cardboard. I would rather throw away the contents and eat the damned box! It tastes better.
Science/tech created the problem, let it also fix it without this miserable 24/hr discipline shit.
Table-ized A.I.
I started trying this a year and a half ago, and
wrote the following after the first few months.
All remarks are still valid:
Alimentary, My Dear Watson
While I was on vacation in early July, I happened to read the NYTimes
magazine article by Gary Taubes which opened my eyes to an extent.
The import of the article was that modern dietary conventional wisdom
has it pretty much backwards, and that eating a low-fat diet is actually
the cause of the current obesity epidemic and a lot of heart disease
and diabetes.
Getting back home and doing a flurry of research revealed that Taubes
had published a similar article in in Science about a year ago.
What he documents is that the notion that fat is bad for you is
a political, not a scientific, result, and that the actual studies
don't show it at all. Since the NIH and FDA got the bee in their
bonnet about fat, they've spent more than a billion dollars trying
to prove it, and failed.
Consider an "epidemiological" study of cars. Let's assume that the
researchers believe that engine oil is a prime cause of engine trouble.
You could quite easily take a sample that showed that there was a
strong positive correlation between cars that dripped oil and ones
that broke down. Then you could just as correctly show that you
could prevent oil dripping by not putting any oil in at all.
Bingo! The "proof" of your presumed conclusion. That's about how
rigorous the basis for the antifat doctrine is.
The reality is much more complex. In fact, the famous Boehringer
Mannheim metabolic pathways chart covers an entire wall in finely
detailed arrows and chemical formulae. But a very simplified version
goes something like this: There are three basic classes of food,
called the macronutrients; they are proteins, fats, and carbohydrates.
Proteins and fats are essential for human life; carbohydrates are not.
Carbohydrates are all converted to glucose in your bloodstream. The
more you eat, the more glucose. The body reacts to glucose in the
blood with insulin, which acts to cause cells to burn glucose for
energy and convert it to fat to be stored.
A whole raft of hormonal imbalances can result when insulin is
constantly overproduced. There seems to be some general mechanism
that tries to balance anabolic and catabolic hormones. Insulin
is anabolic. Too much of it for too long and the body will either
overproduce catabolic hormones or underproduce the other anabolic
ones.
The upshot of long-term carbohydrate consumption is a phenomenon known
as "Syndrome X", so named by Gerald Reaven, MD, professor of medicine
at Stanford. It's a cluster of symptoms that tend to occur together,
including high blood pressure, high serum triglycerides, decreased HDL,
and obesity, and marks a risk of diabetes and cardiovascular disease.
Well, go to any grocery store and look what you'll find in the
so-called "heart-healthy", low-fat foods: carbohydrates. Loads
of them. Remember, it doesn't matter whether it's sugar or starch,
honey or whole wheat, it's all glucose to your bloodstream.
So it would seem that the arrogance and ignorance of the high
priesthood of health in this country has contributed to, if not
indeed largely caused, the current (real, well-documented) epidemic
and of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease.
Oh, yes, one other thing for those of you who are into life extension
and know about the caloric restriction results -- one of the main
physiological markers for caloric restriction is low insulin.
Well, who can believe that? I did a bunch of research, and discovered
that there are more different opinions among dietary advisors than
among economists. The only thing that *everybody* agreed on was that
olive oil was good for you, and trans-fatty acids (margarine) was bad.
One of the more interesting subfields I ran across was the paleolithic
diet. The id
Good Lord, only true barbarians would attempt such a sin against centuries-old customs and traditions!
Don't try that at this side of the Ocean, children.
The weight-loss phase of Atkins-like diets is quite different from the maintenance phase. Atkins and others don't advocate steak, bacon, and cheese for a lifetime.
After you reach your target, healthy weight, you gradually add more whole grains, vegetables, and fruits and cut back on protein. You still avoid simple sugars and high glycemic-index carbohydrates, though. That's the hardest part for me. I love good crusty white bread and desserts.
Heh.. that's not far off.. but for those of you who want to do Atkins and get stuck in awkward pizza-ordering social situations, I have two words for you:
chicken wings
Not breaded, not honey-garlic, but regular chicken wings will not 'knock you off' ketosis, and you can still eat with your pals.
If Jesus wants me it knows where to find me.
No. That is the hardest diet ever.
As Steve Martin once quipped, "I'd do anything to look beautiful - except eat right and exercise more."
If Jesus wants me it knows where to find me.
It was hunted animals (PROTEIN), nuts (PROTEIN), and the occasional bit of wild vegetable, fruit or honey.
No. It was roughage, roughage, the occasional bit of small game (i.e. a bird/rodent/etc. probably 2-3 times a week) and very rarely a big game animal (once or twice per season). 60-80% of human caloric intake in hunter-gatherer populations was from vegetable matter.
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Losing weight is great, but if you've been lazy and un-active to gain those 50-100-150-200lbs then your extremely out of shape, and not healthy. Losing that weight is great for your body, especially your heart, but if you don't go to the gym or play sports regularly then losing that weight will only change your image not the health damage you may have incurred from gaining the losing a significant amount of weight. Remember losing weight is only 75% of the battle, now that you don't weigh so much and you are able to 'run' you should or else your not 'back' in shape, your just skinner. Once your back in shape you will be able to enjoy more sports and other various activities which will then re-shape your lifestyle to include activities that will help you keep that weight off for the rest of your life.
No, this is
Ha! Well, I've thought about it. But seriously, I tried the "just eat less" approach. It didn't work. I tried a low-fat 1200 calorie-per-day approach for a few months quite a while ago and actually gained weight. Everyones' metabolism is different. Now that I've switched to Atkins I pull in well over 2500 to 3500 calories per day and lose more weight now than any other diet I've tried before.
PepperHacks - Hacking the Pepper Pad
It used to crack me up when I was on the Atkins Diet. People would come up to me and say "Wow, you've lost weight. How did you do it."
When I told them that I was on the Atkins plan, the first response was always the same:
"Oh, that doesn't work."
...how hard is this anyway? There are a zillion weird diets like this:
Only eat fruit.
Only eat bacon.
Only eat eggs.
You've probably heard this before, but here goes:
Eat food that is low on fast carbs. This means vegetables, no refined grain products and definitely no sugar.
Eat meat which is low on saturated fats. This means fish and fat fish such as salmon, sea-food and other lean meats.
Excercise daily.
Now, I may not exactly follow these instructions
down to the last word myself, but I try to.
Think about it; the human species as a whole has probably evolved on a low-carb, low-fat diet and lots of movement.
They didn't eat raw sugar 10 000 years ago, which is yesterday on an evolutionary timescale.
And they sure as hell didn't have a guy named Atkins tell them to eat bacon and eggs three times a day.
I call bullshit on this being a 'hackers diet'.
I'm a hacker, and to me this diet is like fixing a bug (ie. being fat) while having no understanding of the entire system (ie. the human body).
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That's a really broken analogy - one of the cornerstones of the Atkins diet is that you need to do regular exercise. You aren't going to save money by dropping your gym membership - if anything you're going to spend more money on athletic equipment and membership fees.
Beyond that, there's been a number of studies that say ALL diets cause loss of muscle mass if you don't exercise... a loss which can usually be stopped by regular exercise.
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. -- H L Mencken
I too was skeptical, until I read this article.
;-)
In summary, a scientist found that the Atkins diet was working, and results "are something of an embarrassment to Brehm, whose research is funded by the American Heart Association, which has long advocated calorie-controlled, low-fat diets." Read the article for details...
So, I had a try, and lost the extra weight I hadn't been able to shed for the past few years. I'm only missing cake so far
And I eat my vegies now, not only meat as some think it's all Atkins is about.
According to an article originally published by The London Telegraph (online version here), The Burning Question, but which I read in Sydney Morning Herald on 23 October 2003, two separate studies have been unable to prove any ill-effects from following a high-protein diet. Both studies showed that the Atkins diet work. This somewhat distressing for one of them as it had been funded by the American HEart Association, a fierce critic of Atkins.
Being to lazy to sum up the article I paste the full text of the article (copied from SMH) here:
The Burning Question
October 23, 2003
Yet another study has shown that the Atkins diet works. But even the scientist in charge is baffled about why the low-carb regime reduces fat more effectively than conventional low-calorie, low-fat eating plans, Robert Matthews reports.
An academic nutritionist at the University of Cincinnati, Dr Bonnie Brehm, is at the cutting edge of research into the biggest question to hit her field in decades: does the Atkins diet work?
Most nutritionists faced with the torrent of anecdotal evidence for its effectiveness have simply parroted the mantra that more research is needed, while muttering darkly about possible long-term health effects.
Brehm and her colleagues, in contrast, have spent the past few years actually doing the research and will unveil their findings at the American Dietetic Association's annual meeting next week.
They have been studying the effectiveness of the Atkins diet in trials involving people classed as clinically obese, implying a weight of more than 92 kilograms (14 stone) in a person 175 centimetres (5 foot, 9 inches) tall. The latest results are in - and they appear to vindicate the late Dr Robert Atkins, whose diet books have sold 15 million copies over 30 years.
According to Brehm, those following Atkins's low-carbohydrate diet for four months achieved twice the weight loss of those on a conventional calorie-controlled, low-fat diet. Furthermore, the team found no evidence of harmful effects from following the diet - at least during the study.
These results are in line with those found in similar small studies now starting to emerge. As well as backing the claims made for the Atkins diet, these latest results seem to further undermine standard nutritional advice about the need to focus on cutting fat and calories.
They are something of an embarrassment to Brehm, whose research is funded by the American Heart Association, which has long advocated calorie-controlled, low-fat diets.
As a scientist, Brehm puts unearthing the truth above pleasing her paymasters - but it is this that causes most concern. She is having problems explaining her findings - and in the increasingly vociferous debate over the Atkins diet, that may well land her in trouble at next week's meeting.
The scientific world is becoming increasingly polarised over the diet, with researchers such as Brehm being given a tough time over their apparent support for what some scientists regard as the nutritional equivalent of crystal therapy. At the heart of the controversy is the science behind the Atkins diet - first published 30 years ago - and whether it is really anything more than a collection of buzzwords.
Conventional wisdom dictates that calories are the key to weight loss, and so those who lose weight must simply be consuming fewer calories than they burn up. Yet, according to Brehm, the obese people who lost weight on the Atkins diet ate and burned up essentially the same number of calories as those on the standard diet. What was very different was the proportion of body fat shed by each group, which mirrored their percentage weight loss. On the face of it, this backs the central claim of the Atkins diet: that a low-c
The liver is evil and must be punished.
Ok, the simple truth is this...
As adults... (The growth mechanism of children is quite different then the maintenance mechanisms of adults...)
We are genetically inclined to eat carbs. Our whole body from taste buds, to energy use, and insulin cycles are based upon the carbohydrate energy cycle.
Two problems... 100's of years of developing tasty food (IE food that has been shown to have maximum effect on our carbohydrate systems), and secondly, unparalled access to limitless quantities of such food.
And a third problem, we are hormonally beholding to the carbohydrate cycle. And hormones win nearly everytime over will-power. (Anyone who disbelieves this, is either genetically "lucky" or is woefully ignorant of modern psychiatry and the biomechanical nature of the brain and how it affects behavior).
This results in overeating of carbs (we are just doing what feels normal...) This results in insulin resistence (the body going... I am sorry sir, but I cannot possibly store any more energy in these cells), followed by type 2 diabetes (the blood is a lovely red syrup), followed by nerve damage, loss of limbs, blindness and death....
All of this because, well historically (ignoring the past 50 years or so), it was genetically superior to be carb-centric. Those that are carb-centric lived longer, were revered, and had more power.
Atkins works because it lowers blood sugar due to lack of carbohydrates in the diet. This essentially stops type 2 diabetes.
If calories are below need then energy is released by cells. (This will increase insulin sensitivity as cells now have space to store excess sugar)... (Though the calorie equation is best a guess. Basing how much water temprature rises is equivelant to biomechanical energy release is at best a sketchy and not fully understood relationship).
Ultimately people are MUCH healthier not being in type 2 diabetic and insulin resistent state. Than being *in* that state.
However, lack of blood sugar has negative affect on brain activity, and excess protien in the blood has been shown to increase kidney stone production, and may be related to renal failure....
So, once moved to the much healthier non-diabetic bloodstream, and non-insulin resistent cell-state, a balanced macro-nutrient diet, is probably best (as research done on sports teams, and diabetic patients)...
BUT.... Oh and this is a big BUT!!! We are still hormonally driven beings.... And hormones will drive you back to Carbo-Heaven... Cuz that is what we are genetically incline to eat. And this will make this an ongoing mental and physical exercise to exorcise the hormonal demons..
I've lost 40 pounds going from 230 to 190 since I started following the South Beath Diet. It appears similar to the Atkins diet in that for the first two weeks on phase 1, carb intake is pretty restricted. After two weeks then a person stays on phase 2 until they reach their ideal weight. After that the diet is phase 3 which is really maintainence mode for life. This diet teaches the differences between good carbs and bad carbs and so my wife and I enjoy a great variety of food in this diet while avoiding the bad carbs.
It was tough at first as we eat potatoes, lots of rice, and bread before starting the diet. We avoid potatoes and only use brown rice, and whole or sprouted grain breads now. We also try to avoid sugar but the diet book as some tasty desserts. We use to enjoy chocolate quite a bit but now we're into dark chocolate only, and in moderation. We both feel so much better as we no longer experience the highs of lows of our blood sugar going up and down because of our poor diet. My wife also had problems with high tryglyceride levels in her blood but her last blood work came base with normal tryclyceride levels and at that time she had only been on the diet for 3 weeks!
I highly recommend the South Beach Diet for anyone wanting a diet that works (If your following It!) while not feeling like you're on a diet. We eat more now that what we used to and still lose weight since we're not getting all of the bad carbs and sugars like we used to. The other thing I suggest is people look at the packages of the good they eat and note the serving size. You'll be surprised how offen a package contains 2 or more servings and eating the whole thing in one sitting helps to promote weight gain since it's more food than what a person needs IMHO.
1. People who don't read the book and try eating meat and cheese to lose weight. They suffer and end up badmouthing the diet.
2. People who watch the above suffer and assume the diet is bad...and go around badmouthing it.
3. People who've "heard of" vaguely ominous scientific studies but can't provide concrete rebuttals.
4. People who say Atkins is BS because all you need to do is exercise and "eat right." Well, according to Atkins, his diet *is* "eating right."
Low-fat diet+exercise will simply not work for a significant percentage of the population. Some people will simply not lose weight with the traditional exercise and diet route. The human body is a complex and often uncooperative machine.
In conclusion, read the material. No, really. Actually read the book. Just one chapter, even. Don't skim. At least focus on one chapter. I garantee you wouldn't be so hard on the diet if you just did a little homework.
Theoritical conjecture? No FUD allowed here.
Give it the damn "caveman test."
"Atkins," the "ketogenic diet," and whatever else people call it is not something new. It's not something 1970's. Think millions of years, and you'll start to approach how long it has been around.
It is simply one half of the citric acid cycle, which is part of metabolism. One half is the ketogenic, the other, glucogenic.
With respect to food and hominid metabolism, there are basically 2 states:
1. FOOD (ie. times of plenty, as in: I'm eating this starchy tuber I just dug up RIGHT NOW.)
2. NO FOOD (ie. starvation, as in: Hey Gog, remember how that starchy tuber tasted that I dug up 2 days ago?)
I'm not talking about weeks of starvation, but a time frame of only about 18-36 hours. Once you have burned through your immediate glucose stores and your liver has emptied most of its glycogen stores, what happens then? Gluconeogenesis happens then. Ketogenesis happens then. Fatty acids that represent your stored energy sources are broken down into pyruvate, alpha-ketoglutarate, succinyl-CoA, fumarate, or oxaloacetate are then converted into glucose and glycogen and wisked through the appropriate cycle to give you what you need to keep chasing that small furry animal and catch it, even though your last meal was 2 days ago.
Clearly, I can't compress 4 semesters of basic and advanced biochemistry and a few years of primary research into a single slashdot post, but the basics of human metabolism are accessable to everyone from their local public and university libraries. Go buy a text book, even. Lehninger Principles of Biochemistry is an excellent place to start.
Let's approach it from another way: There is no fat loss without lipidolysis, unless you cut it out. Whether you eat NO carbohydrates and take the nose dive into the ketogenic part of your metabolism all the time, or you eat like a supermodel (small portions of carbohydrate-filled food) and experience brief periods of the ketogenic half of the citric acid cycle, it's all the same thing, only at different rates.
Worried about your kidneys and the ketobodies? Drink the amount of water a human is SUPPOSED to drink every day, and you'll be fine. Constipation is only an artifact of the change-over from starchy foods to protein and low-residue foods. After a few days things are back to normal, and you poop the way your digestive system was supposed to, in relation to what the human diet was thousands of years ago. (clue: No McDonalds and other high-carbohydrate foods)
If your varied dietary intake + caloric control + exercise works for you, then that is absolutely wonderful (no sarcasm). I applaud your efforts, and you should feel lucky that you are a fine example of an ancient metabolism that survives in an overly starchy world. For the segment of the population that isn't so lucky, the option of carbohydrate starvation (yet eating a normal intake of fatty and amino acids) is there.
Y,IAAB. (Yes, I am a biochemist.)
OK kids, all crap aside, lets go back to basics:
Any energy that goes into your mouth goes one of 3 places:
1) You burn it. Literally - and burning food generates heat. Each gram of fat contains 9 Calories, which is equivalent to jogging for one minute. That's 9000 calories (little c) which will heat your average 200lb sysadmin 0.2 degrees F. There are 27 grams in an ounce - that's a half hour run per ounce of fat. Think about how sweaty that would make you. This is an important thermodynamic consideration we'll get back to.
2) You store it. One gram of fat in becomes one gram of fat on your ass. One gram of carbohydrate or protein in becomes 1/2 gram of fat on your ass. There's no magic here; joules don't vanish.
3) You excrete it. This is what chiral analogs of various energy sources do, such as Olestra. If this was happening, you would know it; the term is anal leakage. Sugars you cannot digest, like the sugars in beans, create equally socially endearing outputs.
Now the article claims that Atkins overclocks the body. Crap. If it did you'd get hot. Run a motor fast, it gets hot. Run your body fast, it gets hot. Take amphetamines, you start to twitch and sweat. Thermodynamics. You can't beat it. Atkins can't beat it. Atkins does not make you hot. If you burned an extra pound of fat you'd heat your body to boiling. It does not accelerate your metabolism, it does not perform any insulin magic. The whole thing is the stunningly ignorant optimism of the hopefully overweight.
But people do lose weight on it - or so it seems (statistically this isn't really borne out by actual controlled studies, but hey, who needs science when we can make choices based on anecdotes). Why? Because in a normal diet 60-70% of your calories come from carbohydrates and you cut them you and you're on a calories restricted diet. Bingo. Eat nothing at all and keep your activity level up and you'll lose about 1/2 pound each day (8.2oz of fat = 2000 calories). Eat more calories than nothing and prorate that weight lose. Joules are joules, they body isn't happy about wasting them, and if it does, bacteria won't and your cube neighbors won't be happy about that.
So much for the insulin magic and ketosis crap, but there's this wacky claim of "satiety " the claim that fat and protein is a high satiety food and that if you eat it, you'll eat less total. Could be. Maybe for some people, not for others. If it works for you, go for it, just don't make magic claims or act like the self-righteous health nuts who claim to Received The Counterintuitive Truth.
As for the health of it all, if you stop eating processed sugars, like every nutritionist including Atkins has been saying for 50 years, you'll generally lose weight, probably a lot of it, and you will be healthier. My mom used to call them "empty calories," but that's too kind. Sugars are bad, and Atkins is right about refined sugar (complex carbohydrates absorb more slowly, "glycemic index" crap aside) - you do tend to crash after (all nutritionists know this). Crash means metabolism temporarily slows. Slow metabolism means less calories burned. Not a lot less - watching TV burns 2.4 calories per minute, walking 2mph burns 2.8 - but a bit less, which means a small difference, a few grams of fat a day maybe. The big difference is eating less sugar - 4.5 Cal per M&M adds up fast.
As for the health of it, if you eat "too much" protein your piss will start to smell weird. If that happens back off. Otherwise it's not likely to kill you. Don't chow down on high saturated fats, the "Atkins helps heart disease" stuff is crap. If you lose weight your cholesterol level will drop, but that doesn't contradict about 50 years of very well documented data showing a direct correlations between saturated fat and heart disease, which strikes thin, otherwise healthy people too.
Skipping fruit is dumb, but it won't kill you if you're eating your veggies. All the vitamins and minerals are in vegetab
You can lose weight on reduced-calorie diets (NOT ultra-low calorie diets, those are unsafe and ineffective), but as much as 50% will be lean muscle mass, which is not the point of the excercise. It also yo-yos back a lot faster.
So you're right about the reduced carb lifestyle, it does work, and is much safer and more consistent in the long run.
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Personally, I think Weight Watchers is a total geek diet. I know most people think of it as mainly for middle-aged women, but it works even better for young guys.
Mainly, the thing I like is that they generalized foods and forms of exercise into a points system, so you can easily figure out how much you need to eat and how much exercise helps. It's like playing a dieting RPG, or something. The best part is that it gives you a really good sense of how much you actually should eat, rather than how much to think you should. You can keep your weight down much more easily that way later on.
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There cannot be middle ground here?
You made an incredibly stupid "taken to the extreme" argument, so here is mine.
You are saying that people are always responsible for their bodily functions? So those with cancer, those who have mental deficiencies, and those who have asthma only suffer from these problems because they are not taking responsibility for themselves?
This is very simple Markus, like most things involving humans, it is a combination of genetics and willpower. my roommate is skinny as a rail and eats all the time. He is exerting no willpower at all but still not gaining weight. I am about 30 lbs overweight and put forth a great effort to just keep it that way and struggle to drop that ever further. For some people it takes no work at all to maintain ideal body weight, for others it takes more willpower and effort to fight their own genetics than the naturally skinny people will ever exert in their lifetimes. I have to feel like crap most of the time and force myself to work out constantly, and nothing pisses me off more than some lazy fucker who happens to not have to lift a finger to lose weight thinking that i just haven't taken responsibility for myself.
No it is not just genetics, and no it is not willpower and "taking responsibility for yourself", it is a combination of the two, with different ratios required for everyone.
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Perhaps it is time for "a good diet" to mean "foods that are helpful for the body", not "weight loss".
If you say so. I just know what works for me and my personal experience. When I was religiously logging every single calorie and ounce of water that went into my body when I switched to Atkins, I found that 2000 calories per day gave me a weight loss of 1.2 pounds per week and 3000 to 3500 calories per day gave me a weight loss of 2 to 3 pounds per week. Add exercise to 3000 calories per day and I'd jump up to 3.5 to 4 pounds per week. This is well documented in various Atkins and low-carb forums where people have to increase their daily calories to get their bodies out of starvation mode.
I also know that, four or five years ago, I tried the 1200 calorie per day thing and gained weight. When I increased my caloric intake, I stopped gaining weight. At that time I was logging every single calorie and gram of fat using Excel spreadsheets so I wasn't fooling myself. Like I said, everyones' metabolism is different and each person reacts to fats, carbs, and calories differently. Atkins isn't for everyone (it didn't work for my wife at all), but it has worked wonders for me.
PepperHacks - Hacking the Pepper Pad
Let's just start by saying that I don't believe in the Atkins diet. While you may lose weight while you are on it, I think that you are doing damage to your body for short term gain (not weight gain). There is plenty of evidence out there to support that claim. Many of the other posts probably cover it better than I could. I would like to live a long and healthy life and I think that you have to be careful how you do things when you are younger because there will eventually be a price paid for abusing your body.
I guess I have struggled with my weight as much as the next geek. I remember seeing my college graduation pictures and being appalled by how bad I looked. My face was pale, I had a little double chin action starting, and I had milk titties with a paunch that hung over my belt. My posture was bad as well. In short, I looked like shit and I felt like shit. Any kind of physical exertion like climbing up a few flights of stairs made me feel ill.
I've found the best approach is to eat a balanced diet consisting of protein, carbs (tending toward goods with a low glycemic index and trying to stay away from processed sugars), unsaturated fat, and fiber combined with exercise. I split my exercise between weights and cardio.
When I first started to work out, I hated it. I was always sore for a couple of days after weights and the cardio always made me want to puke. I felt awkward being in the gym because I didn't know what I was doing but after a couple of months I really started to enjoy it. My body got used to exercising and I was reading some books and magazines to figure out what to do. Once you get into it there are so many rewards.
Weight lifting is more difficult than it looks. How you do it determines the gains that you make and how likely you are to hurt yourself. Technique is the key and it takes a while to learn. I'm to the point now where I set goals for things like squats, dead lifts, and bench press. I work out the plan and then work hard to get there. It's like learning a new scripting language or maybe picking up Linux for the first time. When you first start you don't know what the hell you are doing. After a while you become a pro. Now I'm not a big muscle head, my body is just better proportioned. My shoulders are wider than my love handles, my chest is wider, and I have better posture. I just look better overall. I've also noticed that a lot of nagging aches and pains have gone away. My lower back feels good. I also have an injured shoulder that is going much better now that I have built up a little muscle around it.
I started running for cardio. My goal was to finish a half marathon. It was something to focus on and judge my progress against. I still do a half marathon every year but I decided that running is not my thing. I've taken up cycling and love it. Just like weights, I set goals to keep things interesting. I started out by signing up for an 860 mile trek from Miami to Tallahassee, FL. I worked out a plan of the number of miles a week that I wanted to ride and did two 100 mile rides the two weekends before the ride. I'm planning a cross country ride in 2007 (why set small goals). I enjoy the cycling on a lot of levels. I get to see a lot of places that I normally wouldn't see. I've met a lot of really cool people. It also clears my mind. I can't tell you how many times I have been frustrated with a technical problem, taken an hour off to cycle, and then come back and knocked it out. I also really enjoy the physical challenge and pushing myself to do things that I wouldn't have imagined that I could do a few years ago.
I probably sound a little like a zealot here but I can't imagine going back to living the way I used to. I'm happier, healthier, and more energetic.
I think that if you are now where I used to be years back, I would seriously consider a sensible balanced diet and find some physical activities that you enjoy. If you do it right, it can be very physically, intellectually, and spiritual
I couldn't agree more. I'm a Freshman college student, and when I came to college, I realized I was overweight (6'2" 238lbs), and the idea of the Freshman 15 wasn't too appeasing. So, I decided to change that. Now, every morning I wake up at 530, go to the gym, and run for 30 minutes (at 6mph, thats 3 miles or about 530 calories) and thats before I've eaten breakfast. Then, throughout the day, I watch my caloric intake (I keep it under 2000), and then at night, I work out again. At night I'll do another 3 miles, and usually 30 minutes on the stairstepper, which can get 700 calories. Thats 1760 calories of working out. It is easy to loose a pound a day. In fact, in the 2 months I've been at college, I've lost 32lbs.
The key is motivation and you have to push yourself. It is not easy (especially for those of you who don't like waking up early). I have no pity for fat or obese people, even if they do have a disease that forces them to overeat or whatever that crap is. So stick with it, and loose the weight. No fancy diets (whatever this new south beach diet is, I have no idea), just low calories and exercise. Do it.
-Vic
Since I wrote the above, I've gotten off Atkins. The possibility of the diet causing the skin problems was a reason, of course, but it was primarily because I was getting frustrated at not being able to move beyond the 5-6 pound loss plateau in the 6 weeks I was in induction.
The biopsy proved inconclusive. Fotunately, my skin has been clearing up well, with no particular treatment used; the only reminders are dark pigmentation patches in the affected areas, and they'll presumably go away soon. Still, I'd be curious to hear whether others have experienced what I went through.
"..because utilizing low-carb methods to modify the metabolism is analogous to hacking and overclocking the body."
More like being retarded. Like the guy who's fine with his box crashing 2-3 times a day as long as he _knows_ it's oc'ed to the max. Your body will crash too - there is no magic. The difference is that Atkins, when he was alive, marketed for profit his unsafe body overclocking methods that could seriously fuck you up for life, whereas frying a Barton will only hurt your pocket the average monthly salary of a chinese factory worker making the motherboard you fried it on.
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Granted that the plural of anecdote is NOT data (as snopes.com loves to tell you), I wanted to give the results of four web/Unix geeks where I work. This is going to sound like an infomercial, but all I can do is give you what I've got, and let you decide if I'm honest or not. Hopefully my low UID and post history will help convince you that I'm sincere.
My buddy, late 30s, lost 35 lbs his first six weeks. One colleague lost 65lbs in 6 months (early 40s), and a guy in his late 20s lost 70lbs in 6 months. So I joined up-- I have been on for eight weeks (I'm 28), and have lost 38lbs (from 262 to 224) so far, following Atkins' New Diet Revolution. That includes going from a 44 inch waist to 38. In two months, without excercise (yet.)
Basically, the Atkins Diet is like a cult of people who cut almost all of the sugars and starches out of their diet. Permanently, if done correctly. I also cut caffeine out (what a hellish 36 hours withdrawal/hangover that was!)-- not required by "The Diet" but I found it helpful. I call it a cult because you have to continually remind yourself and/or your Atkins Buddies that they're doing well, and steer them clear of carby foods. This often means randomly annoying strangers by picking up food containers and looking at them increduously when you look at the labels. For instance, a small bottle of Cranberry juice has 49 carb grams in it; enough for 2.5 days worth on Atkins' Induction phase.
Here are my pros/cons list:
-Pro: I find that I fall asleep/wake up better, and feel "regulated" throughout the day. I do not have post-lunch lag, or groggy mornings where I "need" coffee/Code Red.
-Con: You need to be creative with your food selection and menu planning. You can eat plenty of junk food, as long as you are getting sugar-free candy and soda, and eat stuff like Beef Jerky and Pork Rinds for snacks. You can and should eat the green vegetables specified, in the amounts specified in the book.
-Pro: You are losing weight, especially in the early weeks, enough to look in the mirror and tell the difference. Especially those of us who are fat around the face.
-Con: You need to supplement your diet with vitamins and PLENTY of water. The Diet dehydrates you. I personally find myself drinking somewhere in the neighborhood of a gallon of plain water every day, because I literally feel that thirsty. You also need to make sure you are getting enough fiber, or you will get constipated. The good news is that many sugar-free candies are loaded with non-digestable plant fibers which will take care of that... and much worse if you overdo it!
-Pro: Your total cholesterol goes down. "Good cholesterol" goes up. This is only if you are doing the diet right. The FUDders like to spew that "there's no way so much meat and cheese can be healthy for you." Bullshit. If you're doing it right, your body is metabolizing what you eat, and you are pissing away (literally) your weight through lipolysis-- the breaking down of your stored fat cells. You don't have to skip bacon and eggs, but you also can't eat greasy, saturated-fatty foods for every component of every meal.
-Con: You eventually start to plateau on your weight loss. At this point, if you're not already doing this, it's time to start excercising regularly to kick-start your CV system and calorie burn.
The final con is that about 2/3rd of the population is going to accuse you of eating "unnaturally" or foods that are "unhealthy." Franky, I think they are full of shit. Of the dozen or so people I know that have read the book and implemented it to spec, EVERY ONE has lost between 15 and 30 lbs in the first month. Not a one has had negative health effects with the possible exception of some constipation (not enough fiber/water). The trick is staying on the diet, monitoring your blood sugars and cholesterol level with your doctor, and taking the mindset that The Diet is a whole change in lifestyle, not just a quikc solution to kick 20lbs.
The key is to turn your fat into muscle so you can enjoy any type of food. My resting metabolisms takes care of any junk food I might eat. I don't believe in Atkins diet, but I do believe in eating meat, especially poultry. I find that chicken keeps you full and helps you build muscle since it is packed with protin.
If your are not exercise and lifting wights, don't expect to keep those pounds off.
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Might want to drop the fanaticism there. Check the studies again. The best there are say you lose weight just like on any restricted calorie diet. Like all things in this arena, some studies show conflicting data, but that doesn't make it right yet.
WRT heart disease, there's nothing magic about the Atkins diet. There are peoples on earth (generally rotund Eskimos for example) who eat diets like it, and people who eat the opposite (generally skinny consumers of Asiatic diets). Across all, more saturated fat makes more heart attacks. Look, if you and the other fanatics keep this up for 50 years or so, and if you all end up dying less, I'll believe it. Until then there's no good reason to, all exiting data points against it.
Re: the mystical powers of ketosis: guess what - the energy is in the fat, not how you consume it. If you wee'd out a highly energetic fatty urine, you'd sure know it. Either the energy is burned, excreted, or stored. Energetic molecules do not make it through your kidney, unless you've got serious problems.
What you mean to say is that the body is only able to extract about 75% of the energy available in the fat, the rest goes to thermodynamic inefficiency due to an alternate metabolic pathway. That's a fine argument and there may even be cases where there's some truth to it... maybe... but basic thermodynamics still applies - inefficiency means heat. You still burn the calories, you just don't get to store them. You do not pee them out.
Furthermore, what you're saying is that one gram of fat becomes heats 2kg of body weight 1 degree plus 7/9 of a gram of fat. Gram for gram, if you're correct, carbohydrate would still be less fattening (and protein slightly less still).
Look, go for it dude. If you believe, more power to you, but stop claiming that you've discovered the holy grail. You're on a diet, neither more nor less well founded or scientific than grapefruit or whatever. Not yet anyway. Collect some data and good luck. For me, I'll stick to eating a well balanced meal and getting regular exercise. It's working fine so far.
I did Atkisn for over a year and lost about 100 pounds on it. The whole time I was monitored by my doctor and my blood chemistry improved DRAMATICALLY. If you've never been on Atkins and have NEVER EVEN read the book, then I would say, SHUT THE HELL UP, before you go and make comments about this diet.
Sure you eat more fat and protein than the average guy, but NOWHERE does Atkins tell you to go and deep fry everything you eat, or cut all veggies out of your diet. And he STRESSES beyond anything else to take vitamin supplements because he says it is an UNBALANCED DIET and you have to get yourself IN BALANCE once you get to your goal weight. That's where you start the maintenance phase.
The hardest part of the diet for any geek would be the complete lack of caffeine on the diet.
Ive been on atkins since last february, lost the 35 lbs I was aiming for. in that time, Ive stopped snoring, I no longer have heartburn, I sleep better, I have more energy, my teeth are cleaner, my blood pressure is in the perfect range, and my skin is in better shape.
I have added a few carbs back into my diet, but I watch everything I eat.
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Yay, more faulty logic. Right, let's live as cavemen--because soap and hygiene actually clears away all the good bacteria that we need to live healthy cavemen diets.
(We'll just ignore the vastly improved lifespans due to modern hygiene and disease control.. we were never meant to have soap in an ancestral environment, after all.)
Let's live as cavemen did, and starve ourselves of certain nutrients for long periods of time, regardless of how bad that's been shown to be for us, and how well primitive agriculture-based societies do (ie: food stores readily available) versus primitive hunter-gatherer societies.
Those masses of starving people are living the CAVEMAN diet! We should be living like they do!
Because, you know, a biochemist is the next best thing to a medical doctor, right? Right? He *knows* what's good for a body after those few years of biochem studies..! His biochem degree is EXACTLY what qualifies him to give out medical advice to anonymous people he's never met before!
Fucking 'tard.
Please don't consider the parent post as anything but random drivel of someone who thinks he's an armchair doctor and knows what's good for you.
PLEASE don't turn to Slashdot for anything even remotely resembling advice--you'll get burned every. Single. Time.
PLEASE see your doctor and get an expert's advice. They know you, will examine you, will find out your medical history, and will have access to modern medical equipment which can aid in greatly improving your health in ways that the parent poster apparently is incapable of comprehending.
Anecdotes are NOT PROOF unless you're a die-hard acupuncturist. Advice given by someone who doesn't give two shits about you, personally, is worth exactly this: NOTHING.
AS someone who has battled the pounds/kilos his whole life I thought I should relate this little story for the aspiring low kilo hacker:
I was born crippled with congenital dislocation of the hips, which meant that a lot of my childhood and early adulthood was spent with a lot of pain if I had to walk distances or even stand for more than 30 minutes. My mother was and is a health fanatic and put me on a number of diets which never seemed to work very well (one of them was an early version of the Atkins diet). I tried to do weightlifting/bodybuilding at school to compensate for my bad self image with a little success but stopped when I went to Uni and ballooned because I did the usual student thing of eating loads of fast food shit that I'd never had at home.
I left my home country (South Africa) and went to live in Berlin, Germany where I worked for the USAF. During this time I discovered swimming, the one sport that I could do with little pain. I was amazed. In about three quarters of a year I was as fit as hell with my four times weekly programme of 45 minutes crawling back and forth in the distance swimming lanes of the local indoor pool. I felt wonderful, for the first time in my life girls were going nuts over me and life was good.
During the dotcom years I gained massive amounts of weight due to enormously long work days and a diet of pizzas, burgers and beer.
That was three years ago and I've been a depressed, lonley fat pig the whole time. A while ago I decided that work could kiss my fat butt on the hole and I started my swimming programme (3 times a week@40 minutes at 6AM in the mornings) as well as simply stopping junk food (No pizzas, burgers, beer).
Already now, only a short while later I am feeling damn good about myself and looking forward to having a social and love life again with the added plus of having a clearer mind than any fad diet could give me.
In my time working for the USAF and my one visit to the US, I noticed how damn difficult it is to buy vegetables and food you actually have to cook--most supermarkets seem to be stuffed with precooked, processed shit that is neither nutritional nor healthy and people resort to chemical crpa like olestra etc in order to avoid actually getting out of their huge fucking cars and moving their bodies.
Do sport, drop the junk food and beer and eat vegetables (not from cans). You'll be fucking amazed.
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This subject has already been discussed on Slashdot.
The conclussion is that, if you want to get in shape, you just have to live healthy.
This is:
- Drink plain water (no soda, beer, coffee, etc)
- Eat more fruits and vegetables, and less fatty stuff. Have you ever heard of the mediterranean diet?
- Do physical exercise. Walking is good enough and pretty easy. Biking is also excellent. Forget about elevators, and try some martial arts or any other sport you like.
Good luck!
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For those doubting the low calorie system, consider this. Your body needs a certain number of calories per day to operate. An average for a male office worker is supposed to be about 2000 per day. If you eat less (say, 1200), there is no way your body can possibly store any of that, because it needs to be used to keep you alive.
This is what fat is for - it's backup calories to use in case you suddenly find you can't get enough. So, when you are only getting 1200, your body has no choice but to burn some fat, otherwise it will starve to death.
My own personal experience is that I have so far lost 13 Kg (um... 29lbs?) in about six or seven months by cutting down on calories. At the moment I alternate between one day on reduced calories and one day on normal calories (about 2000 for me, but you need to find your own level). By eating 2000 on day it stops by body thinking I'm starving and I feel less hungry.
One other thing that I found helped was multi-vitamin and mineral tablets (including iron and zinc). I don't know if it really works if it's just a placebo, but when I get enough of all that stuff from a tablet each day I seem to feel less hungry, as my body craves them less.
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Therefore, try an Atkins -style diet, with high protien foods (meat, fish etcetera. Roast meat, grilled is all good ).
Eat less carbs (pasta, chips, bread)
Don't eat fat unrestrainedly as Atkins seems to reccommend. (i.e. you dont need to be paranoid about it, but avoid butter, lard, massive fry ups)
Eat more protien! Mmmm good.
Eat lots of fruit and salad
PS Drink Lots of water contary to poular belief it does not make you fatter (bloated) but helps you stay thinner.
PPS Exercise
If one is to argue that ketosis is ok because our bodies are designed for it, surely one has to say that actually our bodies are designed for a combination of glucosis, ketosis and exercise. Arguing for just one (glocosis) is exactly what the author complains about, and then promptly goes off to do it himself.
There is also evidence to suggest that the human body has already evolved in the few thousand years that agricultural technology has been used. There is even evidence that blood groups have changed in this short period to accomodate new living practices.
My wife is a personal trainer and nutritionist and has investigated lost of different diets. Bottom line, if you want to loose weight and control your metabolism, exercise! Its the one aspect of your metabolism that has been unchanged for millions of years. You'll feel better too. Hell, you might end up meeting a pretty girl and marrying her :-)
Wow, dude, are you in denial. Please explain how science/tech caused you to sit on your ass for hours on end and eat fast food 4 meals a day. Until you realize that *YOU* are the problem, all your diet efforts will be in vain. Convenience food is convenient, not mandatory. Did you get insanely fat overnight? No, it probably took you years and years of abusing your body to get that way. So stop looking for the easy way out and change your life. Learn how to fix the *problem* and not just patch the symptoms.
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