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Satellite TV From a Moving Car
An anonymous reader sent us an article about an in-car digital satellite television system. that can stay trained on the satellite even while moving. Of course, Most amusing is all the comments about how TV in cars is for passengers, because as we know, the drivers are too busy talking on their cell phones.
Where to mount my Tivo....wait.. will it work with my Tivo? I might miss something on tv while I am talking on my cell phone.
...are toilets in our cars and we never have to leave!
Kinda reminds me of those DVD players that pop out of the head unit. My friend wants to get one of those so he can watch movies while driving. Kinda scares me to say the least. I think this is somewhat overdoing it. Cars are transportation, not audio/visual entertainment. As if there arent enough distractions already...
We're finally succeeding in breaking ourselves away from this mind-numbing machine.
Twenty-eight-year-old Erwin "Jamie" Petterson Jr. was arraigned in Kenai Superior Court on four charges of second-degree murder in the killing of an Anchorage couple. Troopers say he was watching a movie on a DVD player installed in his dashboard when the crash occurred. (http://www.msnbc.com/local/ktuu/M295450.asp)
Guy was supposed to go to trail last August but I haven't seen anything about him in the news for months.
http://www.accidentsjusthappen.com
"I got a satellite dish on the trunk of my car, so I can watch MTV while I drive"
When are they going to come out with this for the Segway?
I WANT ONE!!!
I'm in a band, and occasionally we drive a few thousand miles to play a show, switching drivers every few hours. This would be perfect for us, break up the routine of listening to the same george carlin cd over and over again. Ever been cramped in a car with 4 guys and a full set of equipment? Anything that helps us ignore each other is good.
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This is nothing. I'm waiting for the garage-to-living-room solution, so I need never worry that my kids' eyes aren't safely glued to a screen.
Waitaminnut, I don't have kids.
Then again, if I did have kids, I could get this system and it'd be like I didn't even have them. Hmm.
Please excuse me--I need to go talk to my wife about kicking out a tax cut or two...
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...how well do those work under viaducts, in tunnels, in cities behind big buildings, in high mountains, in forests and mostly everywhere where large part of the sky is obscured.
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I can just see John driving to the next Monday Night Football (Somebody's gotta feel this!) spot in his Madden Cruiser, loading up Madden 2004 on his PS2 and the three plasma's he's got in there. He loads up the two teams, has his lackey's play a simulation game, while he works on remembering his lines from the game, so he can get them just right on MNF. That's why Al Michaels sucks...he doesn't have his own built-in show prep. He has to go improv.
...then I guess you can do it in an SUV. I'm always amazed by the system that JetBlue uses, which must be similar to this one - JetBlue has DirecTV onboard, and their antenna system tracks the satellite during most manoeuvers. Only when the plane goes into a really steep bank during final approach will the sat go out for a few seconds.
from the beloved T.V.. No more depriving my children of the advertising messages and targetted programming. No more time away from that soothing glow. As we're driven through this great country of ours, we don't EVER have to look at anything but the beautiful, wonderful T.V.. Look, I'm drooling. I'm going to sell a kidney to ensure having enough money for this.
Try watching someone ride a bike while talking on a cell phone. Sounds dumb, but I used to see it in Boston all the time when I rode my bike to work. One guy was slowly wobbling down the street while talking on a cell phone. He continued to wobble down the street and through a red light and was greeted with an ensemble of blaring car horns. Luckily the cars braked fast enough before creaming him. Something needs to be done about banning cell phones while driving (or biking). A huge insurance increase on your car if you're caught driving with a cell phone would be nice.
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so the big deal of this is the fact that the satellite can maintain a signal while the car is moving? isn't this exactly what my Sirius satellite radio has been doing for a while now? or any of the bojillions of XM radios that come in Chevys now?
I remember, even 5 years ago, when I got my first car and started looking into car audio and such, the place I went had satellite equipment for mobile homes and such. One of the options was the one that would stay trained on the satellite. And judging by the age on the posters and ads, it was probably much older than that.
This certainly is nothing new...
Blake
Now I can get DirectTV with the Sunday Ticket!
Since I'm in a high rise with strict restrictions on placing things outside of my window, all I have to do is get this and sit in the car every Sunday to watch football.
All I need now is a car...
-n-
These tracking systems can be used against you by the MLB spy satellites to calculate your squalor index without your expressed written consent or even implied oral consent.
Haven't limo's had satellite tv for a long time? isn't that what those boomerang shaped things on the back are?
Simon
Physicists get Hadrons!
"It's like you don't even have them. You can baby-sit and drive at the same time"
Isn't it great that we don't have to pay attention to our children anymore in the car just like we don't pay attention to them at home. Why would we need to when the TV/computer/video game is there to "baby-sit" them? We can plug them in at any time...they don't talk to us about any of their inane, childish ideas. We can blissfully act like we are still freewheeling non-parents going off on some big adventure than like the haggard parents we really are who have been forced to "care" for these inferior beings.
I have three of those annoying little brats, ages 3,5, and 7. I know how blissful a moment to yourself is, and how seductive it is to plug them in and tune them out.
But you really need to remember that they will be getting their values/ambitions from whatever is raising them. I think most people would not want to think that they are basically raising their children to be ignorant, negative consumers, but they need to watch the shows their children watch, and pay close attention to the advertising that comes along with those "children's" shows.
As fast as the world goes today, being in the car for a while might be one of the few times that a family can actually talk to each other for an extended period of time. Listen to those children, don't tune them out.
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Personally, I think having kids in the car is far more distracting than cell phones. And from experience, I've been hit by a woman driving on the shoulder fighting with her kids, but I've never been hit by someone talking on their cell phone.
Plus, think of the benefits of banning children from cars. Its healthier for them (It will cut way back on the number of children killed in car accidents), Parents will have a hard time getting kids to movies and nice restaurants where they can annoy me, and it will improve the resale value of the cars since there will be far fewer juice stains on the back seats.
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I could swear that Busta Rhymes had that in the headrests of his Lamborghini (a 2-seater). Still, why not just duct tape the kid's mouths shut? If you want them to stop fighting or whining in the car, maybe having one parent TALK to them would be a cheaper solution than a satellite TV system for the back seat.
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Isn't DirectTV official evil(tm)? So now what, do they tow your car if they suspect you don't have a "license"?
-Libertarian secular transhumanist
Can't these people pay attention and not do anything else while driving. I now have to get a new laptop for the car. Jeeeezzz.
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My question is, now that we can have TV anywhere we want, will they actually put something on that's worth watching?
I seem to recall a car mod that basically allowed one of the rear seats to flip up and exposed a toilet seat over a "access panel". Now, I'm pretty sure you'd want to be stopped when you use the device (There's a lot of wind turbulence under you car at speed, if you get my drift) but its a start.
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We've had this in South Korea (SkyLife) for over a year....yawn. Once again, you guys assume it doesn't count if it's not in your backyard.
Gives you something to watch while sitting in the routine 10 kilometer jam.
My understanding is that the "260 antenna elements that help draw in the signal" is basically a small fairly cheap phased array antenna system. You know, like on an Aegis cruiser. So with the proper emitter and a Beowulf like cluster of TracVisions ........
Of course, Most amusing is all the comments about how TV in cars is for passengers, because as we know, the drivers are too busy talking on their cell phones.
Seriously, what's the deal with giving away the best part of the article without a spoiler warning?
Considering that we managed to get digital satelllite radio in the car, it shoudln't be surprising that this wasn't very far behind. But what's nice about satellite radio is how it cuts out when you drive by some trees, or under a bridge. It's great.
I seem to remember in the original Wayne's World movie, that the big wig record exec had sattelite in his limo...that how Garth, the closet hacker, beamed in the video of Wayne's GF (tia carrera) in so he could see it....
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With hundreds of channels of entertainment, from the Disney Channel to HBO, to keep them occupied, they're silent. "It's like you don't even have them. You can baby-sit and drive at the same time,'' Montag said.
Am I the only America left that thinks this is gross? I pulled up next to a Lincoln Navigator, the other day, that had TWO flat panel screens in it and they were both on watching TV. Now, this seems like a great idea to keep the kids nice and quite, but how does a kid see the world while on a road trip? If I am going to haul the kids and wife off to a National or State Park, they are to be looking out the windows and not watching DVD movie or some Cartoon. I can't imagine how this is good for America's kids. Should we just surrender to the terrorists now since the future generations will have a attention span to short to track Al-Qaeda down?
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Yes, cell phones can be a distraction, but are they any more of a distraction than the many, many things people do in their cars? I watch people read the paper across the steering wheel, I watch them put on makeup, I watch them eat entire meals, I even watch them search around the backseat of their cars - All while driving. If you take a hard look at what a lot of people do in their cars, cell phones are by far the least of the problem.
There are a lot of places people dont need to be talking on their cell phones - Movie Theaters comes to mind as a prime example. Because of this I believe its become quite the trend to frown upon seeing anyone on a cell phone any time. The reality is they do have a place and they are here to stay - get used to it.
These are pretty common on RV's these days. I full time in a 1987 Bluebird Wanderlodge bus (both mobile office and home).
We installed a Tracstar SV360 9 months ago, one of the low-profile ones. This is supposed to be one of the better units.
They work ok... yes, signal skips under bridges.
I5 in southern Oregon is pretty much useless with mountain and tall trees next to the highway.
DirecTV requires you to point "toward Texas" for the bird, so northern states are much worse. And these dishes tend to be smaller, so clounds can hurt you too. Seattle is not a good place for this... steep angle to aim and clouds consipire against you.
I use the in-motion dish for "instant on" more than watching while cruising. It is nice to pull over at a rest area and be able to turn on the news for a few minutes.... since the in-motion always has signal lock, no need to wait to align like the lesser dishes.
When camping in wooded areas, you pretty much decide what your priority is. Nice woodeed spot or clear TV reception? Low tech is often better for camping. 100' of coax and a regular dish on a tripod is much better for camping... as you can always carry the dish out into a clear area. So having a fancy expensive in-motion system isn't always the best... it depends on your needs.
I want to know if Im cruizing along at 80mph will it still work. I saw this in popsci I think a long time ago and it had a top speed of 45mph. I didnt see them even address this at all. Im not going to slow down so I can watch tv.
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These are the same system they've had available for Motorhomes for years. All they did was mount it on top of a car instead, no biggie.
"Where is my mind?"
I don't know where the submitter of the article lives, but in New York it's illegal for a TV to be placed in a vechile within view of the driver. Then again it's also illegal for a driver here to use a cell phone that's not hands free, and we know how well people obey that law.
Ah well, this is kinda a neat idea regardless. I mean, satellite TV for vechiles is not exactly a new idea, though before now they've been traditionally reserved for RV's and such, but this may be the first practical application for smaller cars.
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I'm wondering about reception problems while driving...a hard-mounted satellite receiver has enough problems providing a good signal due to bad weather, birds, etc. How well could a vehicle-mounted receiver perform? A mobile dish would have to be:
1) smaller in circumference;
2) hidden, therefore somewhat shielded;
3) constantly moving;
4) lower to the ground than most home-mounted dishes, therefore more obstacles.
With all of the aforementioned issues I just can't see it working well. Of course, if the technology is out there ready for me to buy and install in my vehicle, then surely it has been proven....or am I assuming too much?
With hundreds of channels of entertainment, from the Disney Channel to HBO, to keep them occupied, they're silent. "It's like you don't even have them. You can baby-sit and drive at the same time,'' Montag said.
I have my own kids -- four of them now. I grew up in a family of five kids, two parents. So I know full well what it's like to have them arguing, complaining, fighting, and griping all through a long car trip.
But I still maintain that drugging them into submission with non-stop video signals is not the best solution. It's easy enough to get into that habit at home -- sit the kids in front of the TV after school until dinner, then after dinner until bedtime. They're entertained, you have peace and quiet. Then when they get older, you wonder why they're thirty pounds overweight before they've hit puberty and never do their homework at night.
TV, either in the car or at home, should be a privilege. Give it to them when they've earned it, and turn it off when it's done. I prefer a DVD player to satellite TV, because (1) there's no commercials, (2) I can control what they do and don't watch, and (3) when the show's over, it's over--there's nothing "coming up next" unless I say there is.
Our kids would be overjoyed to have satellite TV in the car for our periodic 3-hour drives to my in-laws. Instead we give them toys, books, children's music, and Magna-Doodle drawing boards. Works just as well, the noise is minimal, and their brains actually continue to develop instead of just rotting away inside their skulls.
A few years back when my university was actually having a winning football season, I was a member of the pep band who got to ride one of the satellite equipped buses. It was great because we got to catch the ESPN replay of our game.
Obviously you never travelled through Manitoba/Saskatchewan...
PBS is the most problem channel for 'on the road'! If you are a full time RVer or trucker, you can get Distant Network service that allows you special options.
I guess the big problem is sports. People with RV's would go to sports games and have tailgate parties in the parking lot of the stadium during regional blackouts!
You have to sign a special waiver to get the local network feeds when mobile. DirecTV does directional broadcast of 'local channels' only to the regions they are required. Once you drive out of your region, you can't get your local channels.
They let you get around this by getting ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX from both New York and Los Angeles. Problem is that you can't get UPN / WB / PBS when you are outside your "home area". When you full time in a RV (no house, just live in your RV) - this is a pain - as your home area is just where you get your mail sent, not really where you are!
PBS is the most problem. They really want those local pledge drives, so they won't let you have the "national PBS feed" unless your "home area" is in a place where there is no local PBS channel on DirecTV. So 90% of the locations you can't get the national PBS feed if you have the Distant Network package.
Isn't the 'free equipment in exchange for promotion' a 'promotional deal'? Ah, well.
-T
... and it makes a huge difference to passengers during the 6+ hour trips I use the car for. It is no more a distraction to me than listening to the radio or a CD.
It's all about self control though. I'm sure some dumbass would try to blame the system for distracting him/her, when they shouldn't have been trying to watch the damn thing in the first place..
Of course they do much more useful things with them than just watch TV and hollywood pre-digested birdfood .. I've seen them used for active directions (a 3d overlay of the street you're on with colored arrows showing you where to turn), showing traffic congestion (imagine seeing the accident on your screen rather than contributing to the rubbernecking delay), video conferencing (drop your cell-phone into a slot and have realtime voice and video .. of course most of their cell-phones have the same connector base), digital camera and video playback .. man the US is so far behind, that if this is slashdot worthy news .. it's embarrassing.
I work 50 to 60 hour workweeks like most hard-working geeks. My "home office" is a RV. So I always "camp with my laptop"...
If you have the skill it isn't that hard to do. Sprint and Verizon will give you unlimited internet for $80/month to use on your laptop. We have ours shared with a WiFi network using a laptop running OpenBSD 3.4 with pf firewall.
A cubicle with high-speed internet is fun for a while, but it gets old. I'll suffer with high latency (250ms) cell phone internet to have the freedom to park my home office where I want to go.
With the WiFi uplink the cell phone, it isn't that expensive... and sitting at picnic table in the woods is a great place to hack code.
If antennas could be this discreet, why do DirecTv and Dish use the ugly dish antennas. With an antenna like this, I could probably lay it flat on the roof and the Home Owners Assocation won't complain. From the support aspect it's probably easier since the antenna being bumped will be less likely to affect signal.
Oh well, I already installed the ugly dish antenna at my house and the HOA hasn't noticed yet.
You must have gone on completely different road trips than I did...and twenty billion stand up comics...
Let's see, what would I rather see on a long boring road trip through Arkansas or Oklahoma, a DVD of Finding Nemo or...trees? Yeah, we don't have trees where I live...nice to stare at it for 16 hours...
When I was a kid I dreamed of a TV in the car on long road trips...
-Malakai
A Dragon Lives in my Garage
The endless talking dad's kids... hehe.
More serious, there is only a short period of time I can keep the attention of my 4yo boy. Especifically, my personal record is 1h20. After that, he (a) sleeps [best case], (b) vomits, or (c) jumps up and down and makes me generally crazy.
And I only have one kid.
If and when I get another, they will pick each other and fight. Unless Dragonball ZYXk is on to the older and Clifford the Giant Red Dog is on to the younger.
I am ordering one of these now, and another next year. Maybe I can sneak one into the steering wheel too, and commute watching Enterprise (if it does not get cancelled).
It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
Tom, of 'Click and Clack' says it here:
I agree with these arguments, and add that a cell phone conversation is often more focused and requires more attention than idle chatter with a passenger.
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There are a few airline companies that offer live tv for people to watch while on the plane. This probably works the same way -- they have a dish in the cargo compartment somewhere that rotates to compensate for the plane's tilting and whatnot. It goes offline whenever there's too much turbulence or something like that, but most of the time it works fine.
Naturally the car-based service won't work in the lincoln tunnel, or probably even anywhere with a lot of buildings, but it would probably work fine for what it was designed for: something to let the kids watch cartoons while driving someplace out in the burbs where it's all trees and lawns and soccer fields.
-S
Those aren't juice stains, by the way...
Karnal
1. Does it get local channels?
2. Dos it work with Starband?
This CAN be done but won't be "100% reliable". Imagine the signal is sent twice on two channels. One of them with 3min advance, and one "in realtime". The "in advance" signal goes to 3min-deep buffer, the realtime one is streamed. Once there's a disturbance in the "realtime" signal, you get switched to "backup copy" that was being made for 3 minutes before and for 3 mins, or until you regain normal signal, you get data from the buffer. Once you're outside the "problem area", you're switched back to "realtime" and buffer starts filling again. Still, if some disturbance appears exactly 3 mins apart (or there's a lot of "line noise" or it lasts as long etc) you won't have "backup copy" of what's about to be played (it didn't record 3 mins ago) and there's a break.
Other method: A piece, say 3 mins of the program (but maybe more) is replayed over and over on fast forward - a moving "resend" window, buffered and played in "slow motion"=normal. So as long as you don't run out of buffer space, it's enough you regain transmission for a short moment to fill your buffer and play from it until you regain connection again.
Could be made as "packet transmission" - say, every 1s fragment of the stream gets resent 200 times in 1s intervals (simultaneously with next packets added to the "moving window" and "expired" (sent 200 times already) removed), replayed 200s later (once last piece is sent), and TV at the other end reassembles them and catches only those missing in the "puzzle". Of course this creates 200 times more "air traffic" than normal...
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Is an invention of the 18th century. Until that time the rich simply forked their children over to governnesses, teachers, etc and forgot about them until their kids challenged them for their holdings.
Everyone else either worked as many offspring as they could sire in the fields, sold them off as indentured servants, or, if they didn't need or want more, comitted post-natal abortion.
The idea that one actually had some involvement with their kids is historically kind of new. The idea of "childhood" itself is even newer; it used to only last until you were old enough to do meaningful work. The fact that it now lasts until the mid-20s or the end of college is a very new phenomenon and probably as unhealthy as selling them off as servants when they turned 10.
Look at my other posts in this thread, man, no need to get all nervous... :)
And, FYI, I drive an economy car (20km/l) AND I pay attention to the road (most of the time
Besides, my kid is not spoiled, and I have a meaningful and stable relation with him.
It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
To deliver DirecTV to all the seats on their aircraft...
The Doormat
If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
yeah, take your eyes off the road for even a second, and your either in a pothole that some people could mistake for a crater or you up the ass end of some tractor pulling something way too large to even fit on the road.
Being called a dork on Slashdot must be like being called the retard in special ed.
Were all spent with my nose in a book. Several books, usually. And I turned out fine.
Oh, wait-- I'm a HUGE FREAKING DORK.
Funny, the same thing has been up on /. before...5 7&mode=thread&tid=129
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/09/00462
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The people who drive while watching will eventually hit something, and hopefully what they hit won't be a person. After that they'll either learn very quickly not to do it again, or go broke repairing everything they keep hitting.
Statistically speaking, it's most likely to be a car -- with at least one person inside. In the mean time, that person who may have once been a responsible driver has to suffer injury and loss of property because of the lack of responsibility of the first driver. Considering my luck in driving, I don't want to be a "learning example" for some self-possessed moron who is enjoying their "freedom" to make use of their "rightfully earned property."
By the way...
Anyone with kids knows that travelling is much, much easier if you give them something to do on long trips. DVDs in the headrests so the kids can watch/play from the back seat are a GOOD THING.
You know what my sister and I did as kids on road trips? We read BOOKS. That's right, books -- those little, fun, and informative things made out of paper that actually engage a kids mind rather than shutting it off. When we weren't doing that, we were playing with our toys or *horrified gasp* talking with our parents as a family. Maybe if more parents were interested in raising their children instead of pacifying them, our society wouldn't be so incredibly fubared right now.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
Nice of you to admit it. Apology accepted. Do your best next time :)
You have a serious point here. If you read my other comments in this thread, you will notice I think of the well-being of my kid, but maybe some discomfort is still better. I have to put my foot in my mouth for a while and try to force my brain into thinking. If I had points, I would moderate you Insightful....
It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
Living in your car wont be such a bad thing.
screw houses, get a car.
I think it shifts your mental focus away from your physical reality to the artificial reality where the conversation takes place.
For brief conversations which don't demand a lot of mental acuity, it's not that much more distraction than music or passengers or whatever. For complex conversations, it's deeply distracting -- you drive on autopilot.
And the same can happen in reverse. I refuse to engage most people calling from cell phones because you can end up with "autopilot" conversations, where they don't say anything or just say "yeah" a lot.
I can't believe no one has mentioned using this technology for internet access as you parade around the country in your SUV. This will be highly demanded........
I'd like to get rid of that ugly dish with an ugly contraption to receive signal from two satellites; where can I get the same flat thing to put on my roof, but without GPS and the gyros?
TracNet's dbs antenna for yachts retrofitted for auto use is not new. It has been available for high-end customers at least a year down in South Florida. Once again slashdot gets the scoop on old news. The only new part of the story is that the new kvh antenna, the tracvision, is now low profile and actually designed for auto use.
KVH is at here
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Am I the only one that noticed it looks like a toilet seat?
my karma will be here long after I'm gone
Look at the size of this thing! That is one massive antenna. Just strap a 4'-3' peice of electronic equipment to the roof rack of your utility vehicle and you're off! yeah ... It reminds me of those giantic portable phones they had back in World War 2 that came in a huge box. This is one of those gems thats breaking news today, but people will look back on in 10-20 years and gasp.
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A simple, active, multi-phase patch antenna w/o LNBs (you add your own/installer provides) (for DISH & DirecTV, similar to one dish directv/dish quad LNBs, but sorta ghetto plus dish's locals on 61.5*) would be suffient w/ a wider range could be sold for the same and other purposes, and even used where a normal antenna wouldn't fit/be desired in a fixed location and at odd angles.
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... watch the road.
If I do give out my social security number, it is very hard to keep it from being copied. Once information is beamed everywhere on Earth, it's hard to keep it from being captured and decoded.
-Libertarian secular transhumanist
Once information is beamed everywhere on Earth, it's hard to keep it from being captured and decoded.
I want to clarify something. In the case of DirecTV beaming their signal, it is still hard to keep it from being decoded. This is because it is encrypted and the decryption is incredibly difficult.
What they are not broadcasting is the decryption key, in much the same way you are not giving out your SSN.
If information wants to be free and has no inherent value, DirecTV would just broadcast unencrypted audio/video signals. And, you would just give out your SSN. Anyone could pick up free tv and anyone could look up your private personal details.
However, I'm sure you want to limit people's ability to do this, because those details are private (which is where their value lies.) The value in DirecTV's broadcast lies in the business expenses, which is why they don't broadcast unencrypted. Copyright is a legal key protecting creative works because their is value in the time spent creating them.
Anyway, this turned more long winded than I intended. But, I just wanted to rephrase. I'd like to here your response to these arguments.
-- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
Take information versus a banana, land, or a concert ticket. You can copy information, and the original is still there. You cannot do that with a banana. You can copy a land deed, but not the land. You can copy a concert ticket, but you can't shove two people in the same seat. Laws to prevent the free copying of information try to set up an artificial scarcity, and that is what is evil.
-Libertarian secular transhumanist