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MandrakeMove Bootable Linux CD Announced
joestar writes "MandrakeSoft just announced the release of the MandrakeMove release candidate, a special desktop version of the Mandrake Linux distribution that boots live from the CD and uses a USB key (included in the retail version) to automatically store personal data. It looks a bit like Knoppix, but comes with more features, such as the capability to eject the MandrakeMove CD-ROM during its use, in order to read audio or video files from another CD! The download release candidate is available here."
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Since it may permanently disable the CDROM drive. ;)
Also sounds like the 'Slackware Live' cd.
Can you create your own in mandrake like you can with slackware?
Be you Admins? nay, we are but lusers!
I always hated Knoppix. Don't ask me why. It was just hate at first sight.
The owls are not what they seem
I must assume that USB Key means thumbdrive, although I couldn't find any reference on the linked site indicating what size this might be..
Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
Keep shaking your booty, mandrakesoft... i heard rumors that you'll soon be acquired by a significant, streetwise player...
The language on this blog is absolutely disgusting.
Sorry, but I've bitten my tongue for a full week now and have to speak my mind. This kind of foul-mouthed language has nothing to do with technology and certainly nothing to do with our Lord. Choose to ignore Him in your writings but at least have Him in your heart when you write!
It's your eternal soul you're throwing away!
Please, love one another, love yourself and above all: love our saviour, almighty God.
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Might be the future of school PCs, or at least computers that are open to the public without a login.
Did I miss something? I thought Mandrakes focus was new users/desktop users.
Mandrake always scared me with their willingness to put beta quality software in their releases, cause it was the "latest and greatest".
Not knock them (entirely), i just wouldn't put it on a server that I need to work all the time
Is already in knoppix, check out the "cheat-codes" file, its a boot param which obviously isnt enabled by default so knoppix can run on systems with low memory
Gnome wasnt built in a day.
OH MY GOD I HATE NIGGERS!
About two weeks ago I decided to try and install Linux on my old K6-2 450mhz machine gathering dust in the basement. A friend of mine gave me a few cd's that had something called 'Mandrake' on it. He said "This is supposed to be the most user-friendly 'distro' out there. Give it a try." So with trepidation about wiping out my beloved win98se install on the old machine, I jumped right in. On firing up the install disk, the Man-drake installer asked me if I wanted to remove the win98se partition that already existed. After pondering this for several minutes I though, 'what the hell, I can always reinstall it!' So I let it fly. After what seemed like 45 minutes of swapping cd's in-and-out of the drive, the man-drake (isn't that some sort of bird?) installer ask me what I wanted to use this linux machine for. So many choices! games, office, mail server, web server, about 2 dozen choices flooded my screen. This is madness! So after carefully considerating my options I decided to choose them all! I would be a Linux power-user to end all linux power-users! So after this decision was made I waited. And waited. And waited. During this I started to wonder. My Windows XP Home intallation on my other Peecee didn't ask me thse kind of questions, and it easily has the all the abilities that man-drake advertised to have. After all, I paid for WinXP Home. Sigh, I guess this it the price one pays for being part of the linux elite. Approximately 50 mintues later I get another prompt from the man-drake installer asking me what kind of GUI I wanted to use, KDE or GNOME. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! I selected both and let it fly. After only about 20 mintues this time it appeared the install was completed. The mandrake installer told me it was going to reboot and then I would revel in Linux goodness. I waited with baited breath while the reboot churned away, eagerly waiting the opportuntity to use the KDE/GNOME interface. Page after page of command line stuff flew by my screen, seeming to get faster and faster as the time of my linux deliverance approached. Then, the screen flashed black (kinda like those scenes from the movie Wargames). I gasped and was presented with something like this: bsh: blah/blah/blah/ ____ What the hell was this? Wasn't this man-drake linux supposed to be user friendly? Instead of the friendly confines of a WinXP like GUI instead I was given an ugly DOS like prompt, which looked supiciously like the TRS-80 system I first learned BASIC on in high school. Is this all the farther the great open-source movement has progressed? After serveral minutes of sobbing and knashing of teeth, I came to a decision. All the linux fags out there were not going to defeat me! They were not going to cry "Bend over WinXP boy, you're going to take linux OUR WAY and like it!". I quickly found my old musty copy of 'Unix in a Nutshell' from my college days and got to work. In a few hours I found out how to start the KDE GUI. This made life so much easier. After several days I was able to get the machine's 14.4 internal modem working with man-drake and connected to the internet, using a browser called Mozilla. Where oh where were the glorious pop-ups that appeared as I was surfing porn sites? Those bastards! After several more days I was starting to feel somewhat comfortable. Using something called Gimp to manipulate my growing collection of adult images was becoming a habit. And because I was ashamed to let my friends and neighbors know I was using a gasp! free operating system like mandrake, I kept the pee-cee in the basement. Now my girlfriend things the sounds emanating from below are me just woodworking or lifting weights. I guess linux has freed me after all!
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I'm posting without having read the article yet. So, now I fit in with the majority! Yay for me!
I wonder if usb hard drive (I have an Archos Jukebox Studio 10) work as well as a usb key?
i think it'd be useful to know the price (obviously for the USB key) and size of the key. and perhapse a tentative release. sure, its RC1, but the final could be in a while
Live CD's are great IMHO.
;-)
Perfect for showing people Linux, or recovering another system (especially a Windows system, because it introduces them to Linux
The whole USB idea is pretty good as well, good way to do stuff w/o touching the hard drive at all.
At the splashscreen:knoppix toram
When the source is open, the possibilities are endless.
4+Gb of opensource/free software on a single disc... why don't do a Linux DVD Live distro? ..just wondering.
A Mandrake is a plant - and plants don't normally move. But I guess it is a "live" CD...
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At last! Mandrake is my fav. Easy to use and easy to set up. I'll give this one a try for sure.
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Why not just create a directory on the hard drive and store information there?
Oh, wait, it's because the Linux retards can't figure out how to write to a NTFS formatted drive.
But I see no indication on the MandrakeMove page that the USB key is included with the retail release (as stated in the Slash).
Just an FYI.
It's not even in the spec sheet, stupid I'd say. But it's listed in the store...
Kjella
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I'm not a Mandrake users, a quick look of the linked article did not appear to have a torrent and the download links seem to be all be membership based only?
Is there a licensing issue with "redistribution" of Mandrake ISO's or just a way to encourage support for Mandrake products? I'm not flaming here, just asking what the philosophy behind this is as torrents would seem to be a more logical method of distribution and could reduce a percentage of those costs that require membership fees in the first place.
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I just installed Mepis on my laptop last night -- a Debian derived Live CD that has the ability to install direct from the Live CD. Very slick.
The SuSE 9.0 Live CD didn't recognize the wireless LAN card on my desktop, so that didn't get anywhere.
Mepis was the first Live CD that I could effectively use for work, and not just a rescue CD or quick test. I used various tools for hours on the laptop (450 MHz P3, 328 Mb RAM) and it just worked.
Live CDs are the way to go.
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This could be a plus for people that need to access the Internet in local libraries that utilize draconian filters to block out politically questionable material...unless the entire network is run through a proxy server...in which case you could use this to SSH tunnel into an unfiltered proxy server!
Mandrake has always been my favorite Linux company & I like throwing them a couple bucks for a boxed set now and then. Good work!
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How big is the USB Drive they include? Can I use my own?
I noticed in the first screenshot : "Multimedia Player for CDs / DVDs". How do they play DVDs legally?
If I have 2 CD / DVD drives on the system, can I use both and not have to swap disks? (I assume yes, but you know what happens when you assume...)
retail purchasers exclusively:
Knoppix lets you store your personal info on a usb key device and it's free. But with MDK, you have not only to pay them money, but buy the retail pack to get this capability. Giving away a feature-crippled version and them selling a non-crippled version is a disturbing step Mandrake is taking, but it is not surprising considering some of the things that they've done recently.
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Seems to me that these keys are becoming more popular. What seems to be lacking is the ability to install typical software on the key so that the software will run on the computer that you just plugged the key into. Yes, simple software DOES work, but once you get beyond a typical software installation with multitudes of files, your ability to run it on a "stranger" machine fades markedly.
BTM
That was the turning point of my life--I went from negative zero to positive zero.
I would really dig a live CD for my powerbook. Anyone know one? I tried one once, it booted into the commandline. I was hoping for a KDE or Gnome session.
Seems to be a old approach applied to in a newl r=&ie=UTF-8 &selm=876cbf54.0205221430.4972684%40posting.google .com
way:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&
Very cool but it doesn't quite have that "edge" anymore. What we should really work on is having a full bootable Linux distribution on a bootable 512MB or 1GB USB Keychain. Such a system would FLY!
I'm a Mandrake Club subscriber and have supported them for a few years now. But two weeks ago I erased my last version of it. I installed 9.2 before it went public (being a Mandrake Club member) and, desktop speaking, it's superb. Everything works out of the box, all my non-geek friends and family members used it at will.
But then I started trying to do stuff I did easily in slackware a few years back, like messing with the hardware and installing a video capture card. It became very frustrating after three days trying and no results. No kernel shipped by Mandrake would let me install RivaTV. A google search will show you that a lot of people is stuck at that point and you will not find any useful answer.
You could install a vanilla kernel, but that would break the whole point of having a dependence based distro (urpmi, apt, emerge, etc).
Trying to share a internet connection using the wizard would screw up the firewall settings, and trying to bring the firewall back up would screw the connection sharing configuration.
After a lot of thought I decided to ditch Mandrake and go for a more traditional Linux distro, being the Debian servers compromised around those days (and I believe they still are), I went the Gentoo way (I was a Slackware junkie 8 years ago) and I'm not going back.
True, you need a few days to have a full system, but you gain again control of your computer. I see Mandrake now at a very delicate point, getting each day more and more like proprietary OSes, hiding a lot of stuff from the user (even thought the tools and the utililities are open source they sometimes choose ways that are non-standards).
I loved Mandrake and I'm still going to recommend their products for newbies, heck, I'm going to renew my suscription with them just to help them out, but I won't come back.
Life isn't like a box of chocolates. It's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
Are there any IDE experts out there that can tell me what pins need to be cut or shorted to make an IDE hard drive READ-ONLY? I know most SCSI drives have a "read-only" jumper, but SCSI isn't much of an option for systems that are supposed to be super-low-price like this.
So, if anyone knows, please post. A link to a reputable source would be better, since people want to know they aren't being told to short the power pins. That would be a much better option than a slow CD.
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Saddly, FAT16 is the standard format for USB keys, with the slow cluster chain following rather than fast inode structure, and without unix semantics like permissions, device files, hard links, and so on.
Maybe they'd allocate a big file and mount it with a loopback device? Or maybe they'll use on of the other mechanisms to make up for FAT filesystem limitations? Or maybe they'll just require the key to have an EXT2 or other "linux native" filesystem? But that would make the key unusable for the thing that makes those little keys so compelling... moving data around.
It's be pretty sad to have to carry 2 USB keys around, one for moving data between systems and a second one for MandrakeMove (or other distros that follow in their footsteps).
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I know this isn't the right place to ask, but how can I remove Mandrake from my hard drive? I already tried to google for it and came up with nothing. Any suggestions? Thanks.
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From what I understand, the retail version is the only version that SUPPORTS the USB key. It doesn't say anywhere that it comes with one.
One of my favorite uses for a USB key is for showing off Opera to people still using IE. It installs perfectly, plays nicely, and doesn't throw things in weird locations. You're right about complex software, but that's no real surprise.
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Giving away a feature-crippled version and them selling a non-crippled version is a disturbing step
What they're allowing people to download now is beta. I would assume the final release (like what will be on store shelves when it's finished) will work just fine, regardless of where you got it.
Could someone set up a bittorrent link or a north american mirror?
I've been working on a linux distro for a few months now that is using this combination of technologies. It definitely appears to be a configuration of growing use and interest.
I added the cryptographic iButton to the list as the only piece missing from the live CD / USB fob picture is secure authentication so that when you are accessing your files remotely from any location, you need not fear about Man-in-the-Middle attacks or insecure password / authentication allowing attackers access to your data.
I talk about some of the features I want in this thread of wanted features / technologies
The future trends are moving quickly towards seamless access to data via mobile devices and wireless communications. A trusted operating system on a mini-CDR with a USB key fob storing dynamic data and strong authentication via cryptographic hardware is all you need to access files, music, movies, anything back at home or work with complete security (or, as much security as you can provide given a good OS configuration)
And the best part: it fits in your pocket. You can take it anywhere. You can "phone home" via wireless and reach everything there as if it was local.
With AES encryption of sensitive data on the USB fob you can prevent any kind of unauthorized copying that would reveal private data, and compression added to the mix lets you store a lot more than 256M or so of data as well.
The latest USB devices are capable of throughput in excess of 6 MegaBytes / second, which is more than adequate for most tasks.
Userspace / overlay filesystems with selective encryption, networked access, and secure decentralized distribution are going to make this kind of setup extremely sweet.
I can't wait for it...
Quack, quack.
I am sending yet another reply to my own reply. The torrent I linked in parent is for the full Mandrake 9.2 distro, NOT for the live cd in the article. My inital post was about lack of torrents in general and I was happy to find Mandrake does indeed use torrents (although not yet for the live cd). Sorry for the link confusion and poor judgement on my part.
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Anybody know what format data is stored on the USB key in? FAT?
I guess what I'm really asking is if I'll be able to pull docs off the USB key with an out-of-the-box install of Windows or MacOS X.
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I've had no problems with Mandrake's server software, such as their releases of Apache, proftp, postfix, mysql, etc. The MDK systems i admin (for fun and school) have not gone down without hardware problems...ever...Currently my last reboots were for kernel upgrades for my 9.1 systems (2 weeks), and install day for my 9.2 systems (about 25 days).
MDK on the server is just as good as kernel+server apps, and both are pretty stable for me.
Who is this Anonymous Coward character, how does he post so much, and why is he always such a whore?
Why do that when you can show them Firebird instead?
.EXE. Or just run the .exe. Whatever.
Firebird (and thunderbird) both run natively from their home directories as well. Unzip and run the
Firebird + Linky + Magpie + "only show images from originating server" for fewer banner ads + no stupid flash plugin. A damned near perfect browsing experience.
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Oh, thats a good one! Funny, it seems most people here love piracy, properganda and FUD, etc.
I'd say the lion's share of today's motherboards are NOT YET CAPABLE of booting to USB, certainly not the PCs with which you'd really want to use such a distro. I can't imagine going back to boot floppies.
I don't know about new, more modern mobos though - they may be able to boot to a USB or firewire device.
I thought it was for this Mandrake. You ruined my life!
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The easy answer is that I prefer Opera, having tried both at some point. I also like supporting them. Firebird works too, though. :)
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The UMSDOS filesystem emulates ugo permissions and long filenames on FAT filesystems by storing the additional data in another file per directory. It is slow, but so are USB keyfobs and loopback devices, and it works well enough--my first distro was ZipSlack, Slackware on UMSDOS in 100 MB.
Quack, quack.
Has anyone tried both this and Knoppix? Are you able to comment on the pros and cons of each?
The only difference I noted is that MandrakeMove says it doesn't support use of a USB key from the download-only version. Whether it actually works or not, it doesn't say.
Just wondering how useful "only show images from originating server" really is. After all, there's a lot of non-banner uses for a separate image server (the main one being if you're running a dynamic site and want to mod_mmap the graphics for even better performance).
Are here on the preorder page. I haven't downloaded the beta yet, but in the past Mandrake included things like stock (vanilla) versions of Xine *without* css support. They may still, but I'm so in the habit of installing the PLF files before doing anything that I couldn't honestly tell you if 9.2 came with being able to read encrypted DVD's out of the box. FWIW not all DVD's are encrypted and having a non-css DVD player *is* useful, just not as useful.
Quack, quack.
Considering how long distros like Knoppix have been around this product is hardly pioneering, but may be useful for Mandrake users who don't want to use any other distro.
If you want to check out a neat Knoppix based distro that's only 50MB check out, Dam Small Linux.
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
It obviously doesn't have the same amount of apps that Knoppix has, but for checking out linux, surfing the web, using IRC, and doing some light office editting its pretty cool. It also unlike Knoppix and I'm sure Mandrake will run on a 486 with 16MM ram. So if you bored or on dialup check out Dam Small Linux.
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That's not the same. Not everything is loaded into memory, you start on the CD, run the video player, remove the CD, play the video (can't run anything else) put back the CD, can run new applications.
That needs far less memory than loading everything into memory.
CD-ROM is slow, no matter how good the drive is. Wouldn't copying a filesystem to local disk make a difference to performance? Say copy the filesystem image(s) to the local drive using the native OS, and have the bootable CD use such images in preference. As a plus, you could carry around more than one CD worth of stuff without resorting to "Amiga Workbench floppy mode".
You could have a root image that contains basic apps, then additional images for particular task sets.
Xix.
"Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
Asses are for crapping, not screwing.
Are we going backwards to the dark days of DOS?
boot to floppy, remove floppy,
C:\ >I am so awesome.exe
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the MandrakeMove Boxed Edition provides the ability to save configuration and personal data to a USB key.
So this release canidate cannot save to the USB key, and it looks like a download version may never do that, since they emphasise that it's the Boxed Edition that does that. Bummer.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Ok, you can't have it all. As you mentioned: your non-geeks friends and family are having fun with Mandrake. However you want to install and compile things, and Gentoo is more like what you want. Cool again. That's what free software is all about, freedom and choices.
But this needs to be clarified:
This is inaccurate. First of all, Mandrake is much, much, much closer to debian or whatever distro you could think of, than it is to proprietary OS's. You get the damn source, period Also: Mandrake is LSB (standards) compliant. Another period ;-)
Now, what you propably would agree with me, is that Mandrake has become too agressive in their customization of free software packages, and this includes the kernel. IMHO, they would be much better off shipping vanilla packages plus a minimal set of patches. Take for instance the kernel, they should (IMHO) jus add supermount, and add the third-party modules as they do, and that should be it. All of this on top of the latest vanilla stable kernel.
If you follow cooker or read the changelogs in their RPMS, you'll notice that they spend a lot of energy backporting things from development branches for several packages. Notably, they do it with the kernel. This precious time would be much better invested on improving their own tools, which as you said, have some flaws, but as you also said, give you overall a great distro working out of the box.
In the end, even when mandrake can be improved, you have to realize that you can't have it all. You either put a lot of your own time on building your customized distro from scratch (or a la gentoo), or you take a distro that does it for you, and yes, it will make some decisions for you. It is your choice, enjoy freedom ;-)
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You need to use a boot floppy. So you need to carry around a floppy plus the dvd nevermind being tied to a legacy device that some systems might not have. Or I guess a bootable cd to boot the dvd.
Why isn't this part of the dvd spec?
I used "Block Images..." on Moz builds for two years+ while I was on a ~14.4ish internet connection. I moved, got DSL, thought I'd finally get to see *everything*, realized that "Holy Shit there are a lot of banner ads" and turned it back on again.
Moz/Firebird image permissions mean never having to look at ads. Somehow, the internet is just better that way.
I've found Opera [3,4,5,6] to be intolerably crashy. That and the fact that some silly person expects me to pay for a browser are all I need to write it off completely.
-- I wanna decide who lives and who dies - Crow T. Robot, MST3K
I presume you must mean USB memory key. Some (well everyone round here) people call them thus because they're pretty easy to put on your keychain, and you can insert them and pull them out from their end like a key.
I did not see any info on the Mandrake site concerning this.
and I'm still waiting.
I'm downloading the .iso now. I don't have a usb thumbdrive. Can i boot this without fear of it affecting my current winXP installation? Ya know, just to toy around with it a little.
:p
I'm guessing yes. And I'm guessing even if somehow it can't use the free space in my NTFS5 formatted HD, it won't do anything without asking me first. Which is why i'm going ahead with it in the probable case I don't get an answer within...1 hour and 18 seconds
The "Cool Linux CD" on the other hand is very amazing. It will detect and install drivers for your nVidia card (and others?) so that you can use the included 3D games, various 2D and 3D modeling software, 3D Solar system and Universe models, Packet Sniffers and a few other neat items. Cool Linux CD is a loaded Linux CD. The only problem I had with it was connecting via ADSL.
Lets hope Mandrake has landed somewhere in the middle. should be fun.
The government which is strong enough to protect you from everything is strong enough to take everything from you.
> Yeah for linux desktops this would be a great idea since, currently, there really is no solution equivalent to deep freeze for windows/mac os X... It's absoultely fantastic if you are administering a lab or lots of public computers as it allows you to not have to lock up a computer at all and still not worry about anybody messing the sytem up.
I'm not sure what you mean. This DF sounds a LOT like what Linux Terminal Server Project can do.
No?
... just have programs like Knoppix access a URL that has your configuration detailed in, say, XML format. (including shortcuts, wallpaper, etc. - it could even be encrypted!) This would mean you could have 'your' desktop on any computer with a CD drive and an internet connection - course, it _could_ work with a USB drive as well.
Leo
Sure, there are applications for which total
portability and a USB key are fine. But often I'd like to be able to work with files on a standalone machine, access downloaded material, etc., even though the underlying machine is configured for Windows. It'd be especially nice to have features like recognizing a
Another environment for which this is useful is little server machines hanging off an Internet connection where you're not monitoring security all the time. The thing can sit around serving web pages, running intrusion detection, acting as a honeypot or teergrube for annoying spammers, etc., and if it gets attacked and rooted, you just reboot. Perhaps a more security-oriented distro would be better for this, since this sounds more desktop-oriented, but it'd be nice to have one consistent environment.
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Still, how many non-banners are you missing?
can it access my TCPIP networked printer easily? are there suitable printer drivers?
can it access my companies Windows NT shares?
can it authenticate to Windows networks?
will it talk to exchange?
if not it is useless to me and my fellow staff!
Jann
Of course.
A seperate project related to Mandrake and Live CDs is livecd, which has some tools available for making Mandrake-based Live CDs.
mklivecd is a simple tool to generate a live CD, and it is included in Mandrake 9.2 contribs. Basically, you can do something like this to try it out:
# urpmi mklivecd
# mklivecd livecd.iso
There are some issues, which have been addressed in the CVS version.
Also new in CVS is a seperate minimal CD-to-HD installer.
I have made about 3 Live CDs based on Mandrake 9.2 using mklivecd.
The CD should get me into a fully working desktop environment. If I give the word, it should install itself on the hard drive. This way, the installer could be written using all of GNOME, KDE, OpenGL or whatever rings your bell. Now that Live CDs are obviously doable, I don't really see why any distro would want to ship a classic install program anymore.
Also, for newcomers, they get to see proof that Linux actually works before diving into it. And if it doesn't work on their system, I bet they'd rather find out sooner rather than later.
And, to push the envelope even further, why not a Windows exe that re-boots the computer into a Live-CD like environment, but with everything read from an FTP server rather than a CD? Wanna try Linux? Go to this URL and press "OK". Like it so much you want to have it on your hard drive? Just click "Install on Hard Drive" on your KDE / GNOME desktop. It could even be possible (I don't know) to keep running on the existing Internet connection without breaking it through the reboot, thus voiding the need for the user to re-connect after reboot.
Installed the Bubblemon yet?
Instead of 'bootable cds'..,
.... and you could even make some money, if you cooperated with a 'flash memory key ring' manufacturer.. and sold them with your 'linux distro' allready on them.
'bootable flash memory key rings'?
Don't get me wrong, I like/love 'bootable cds', like knoppix - heck it's my rescue disk nowaday. But the only thing, that's kind of *bugging*/*irritating*, is that changes you make while you run it, won't get saved (unless you use, that floppy-option *but in a floppy-free comp, as mine, what then?*)... and, and...THE SPEED kind of like could be improved if you used a USB 2.0 interface instead.
*anyway*, just my three cent's, for an Idea.
I don't claim I know more than I know, and if you know you know more than I know, then by all means, let me know.
Almost none. I found a site, once, that was stealing its navigation buttons from another site, and on some forums that I visit, I don't see some inline images.
It's absolutely worth it to not see ads. That's all there is to it.
-- I wanna decide who lives and who dies - Crow T. Robot, MST3K
But with MDK, you have not only to pay them money, but buy the retail pack to get this capability.
You aren't very clear here, but as far as I know, there will be two versions of MandrakeMove, one freely downloadable version without USB support, then the retail version with USB support, Realplayer, NVidia drivers, etc etc.
The retail version can be bought on it's own for $20 or with a 128MB USB storage device (that Mandrakesoft has tested with the release, and the only on they support, since the have had issues with some hardware) for $60.
Those of us in the know have been using a bootable CD based version of Ninnle Linux for a while. It predates Knoppix and Demolinux by a good year or so, does not fry any hardware, and works with anything, even Winmodems!
For anyone interested in MandrakeMove, you may also want to check out PCLinuxOS. It's a similar project lead by Texstar (famous for many Mandrake RPM contribs), based on Mandrake 9.2.
More info can be found here.
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I new too this, so please bear with me. I download the ISO file MandrakeMove-rc-i586.iso, then burn to CD-R with EasyCD, making sure file system type is set to ISO 9660. But tried to boot from this CD on 2 different Compaq's (made sure to set boot order to boot from CD-ROM drive first, then floppy, then hard drive. But both machines (pentium II's) always boot up Win95. What wrong??!!