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SCO Complaint Filed -- Including Code Samples

btempleton writes "The folks at Groklaw have posted a story including a preliminary copy of Caldera/SCO's amended complaint, including lines of code they allege were improperly included in Linux. The PDF can be found at this story The file lists unix filenames with line numbers and filenames and line numbers from the Linux 2.2 and 2.4 kernels, so folks can now go into real depth."

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  1. Ah, at last! by James+A.+E.+Joyce · · Score: 2, Funny

    This announcement is like a cool refreshing glass of lemonade. We'll finally be able to explain in agonising detail exactly why SCO is just blowing smoke out of their arse.

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    1. Re:Ah, at last! by cTbone · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, but I hope that doesn't mean this whole mess will be over soon or it'll be alot harder to get some good Karma and +5 Funny posts around here....

    2. Re:Ah, at last! by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know what article you read, but it sounds like SCO has a case to me.

      And if I only used that one sided court filing from SCO as evidence, then I would agree. Fortunately, this is not the only piece of evidence.

      First of all, IBM has taken great pains to insure that anyone on their Linux team has never had access to AIX or Sys5 code. It was setup as a clean room exercise. So, their statements are not damning, since they take great care to keep the two divisions isolated from each other.

      Second, if you read something beside this ONE filing, you would know that SCO is claiming that any software or code that has ever been included in AIX is a derivative, which is not accurate. IBM had developed some journaling code in OS/2, then ported it over to AIX, yet SCO is claiming it has rights to this software, even tho it is trivial to demonstrate it is not derived from Unix, it is ported to Unix.

      Third, just because a concept was introduced into Unix originally doesn't mean its infringing to be included in Linux. Some knowlege becomes virtually "Public Domain" simply because after 20 years, it has been talked about, documented, researched and experimented with by Universities and individuals. Figuring out how to impliment a feature based upon published documentation and freely available (and useable) information is called reverse engineering, not infringement. For it to be infringing, it must be a "cut and paste" job. Independent discovery is not illegal, even in America.

      Fourth, IBM helping Linux is not illegal in and of itself. Implying that IBM licensed code, so any help that they were to give Linux is illegal is beyond ignorant. Their first major contribution was over 100 different printer drivers, for instance.

      Fifth, IBM has extensive review about what is GPLed and what is not. They have made it perfectly clear that they will not release code wholesale, and instead are releasing code with full support and documentation, after the code has been reviewed. While they *could* make a mistake and release a portion of code that they should not have, it is unlikely considering all the checks and balances they are going through.

      Sixth, there is reason to believe SCO owns the right to USE and LICENSE Unix as it sees fit, but not the copyright to actual code. There is even a lawsuit about it. But if you had read more than this one filing, you would know about Novell vs. SCO.

      Seventh, So far all the code released before today as proof has been proven to be in the Public Domain and/or BSD. I have not looked at the actual code released today, but I am sure Bruce Perens will have a release within a day or three with the dirt on that. Also, some of the header files that allegedly infringe are from pre-1.0 days, and are easily documented as owned by Linus, since they were posted on USENET freely back in 91-92.

      I could go on and on, but this is already more than an AC deserves.

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    3. Re:Ah, at last! by gjash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Groklaw:
      80. The first versions of Linux evolved through bits and pieces of various contributions by numerous software developers using single or dual processor computers. Unlike IBM, virtually none of these software developers and hobbyists had access to enterprise-scale equipment and testing facilities for Linux development. Without access to such equipment, facilities and knowledge of sophisticated development methods learned in many years of UNIX development it would be difficult, if not impossible, for the Linux development community to create a grade of Linux adequate for enterprise use.

      Could anyone comment on "enterprise-scale equipment" and the idea of the impossibility that "hobbyists" could make Linux work at the enterprise level?

    4. Re:Ah, at last! by gaijin99 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Could anyone comment on "enterprise-scale equipment" and the idea of the impossibility that "hobbyists" could make Linux work at the enterprise level?
      Ummm... I think they just called us "Scruffy looking nerf herders" [heh]

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    5. Re:Ah, at last! by mattdm · · Score: 4, Informative

      First of all, IBM has taken great pains to insure that anyone on their Linux team has never had access to AIX or Sys5 code. It was setup as a clean room exercise.

      While this may be true for some things (although, really, has IBM actually said this?), it's definitely not true for the RCU stuff, which very clearly says it was " based on original DYNIX/ptx code".

      I think this probably won't matter, since IBM can definitely make a good case that RCU isn't derivative of SysV/"SCO" code even though it was implemented in Dynix -- but the path through which this got into Linux seems pretty clear.

    6. Re:Ah, at last! by MrLizardo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who's scruffy looking?

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    7. Re:Ah, at last! by Doomdark · · Score: 4, Informative
      True. And in the end, there's no real sound legal requirement for implementation to be done in "clean room" way, to avoid infringing on copyrights. As long as code is not COPIED verbatim (or perhaps, one could argue, by doing trivial changing of naming, as obfuscation?), it's fine to re-implement thing, even using exact same ideas, algoritms, tricks; copyrights only restrict making exact copies of things. Patents and trade secrets can be used to protect more generic things.

      Still, there's no (legal) harm in using clean room approach, and it might help in arguing that certain piece of code could not have been copied verbatim.

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    8. Re:Ah, at last! by jeffasselin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Don't I remember some company lending a multi-processor system to Alan Cox a few years back so that he could work on scaling SMP code?

      Ah yes, I think it was a company called "Caldera" who did that (http://www.linux.org.uk/SMP/title.html). You know, they're called "SCO" now...

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    9. Re:Ah, at last! by crankyspice · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not true that copying must be verbatim. Take a look at the Altai test (quick analysis; chessy brief)... Copyright law is actually pretty subtle.

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    10. Re:Ah, at last! by BobTheLawyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      it's an evidential thing.

      In many jurisdiction, if your code is very similar to my code *and* you had the opportunity to copy it then there is a legal presumption that you did in fact copy it. So your defence has to prove you didn't copy it, which is often rather difficult. If you can show you operated robust clean rooms/chinese walls/etc then you can avoid this.

    11. Re:Ah, at last! by tiger99 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      McBride has not defined his terminology, simple as that.

      Actually I can't see what you would necessarily need to do enterprise-scale testing, except lots of PCs, with lots of different configurations. Is that not how free or open-source software is tested anyway, by thousands or millions of testers, some of whom have state of the art equipment, others anything from Pentium 4 or Athlon down to old 386s?

      The test coverage, although informally organised, must be orders of magnitude better than what is achieved by, for example, the Convicted Monopolist (and it shows, I have yet to experience a kernel crash in several distros, althout I have seen Xfree86 crash a couple of times).

      I don't see what could be added by throwing expensive equipment at the problem, except maybe in areas like the F00F bug of a few years ago, and certain device driver work, where things like emulators and logic analysers can be very useful, but some developers have access to these things at work or university.

      I would like to know what magical facilities SCO have which are not available to a proportion of Linux developers. I generally work in compamies which develop safety-critical hardware and software, even there we can accomplish all of the testing required by the certification authorities, and the extra bit for our own conscience and reputation, without anything mega-expensive or unusual. Low budget jobs, without all the fancy hardware, simply take a bit longer.

      The kernel developers, if you include all who contribute code, or submit bug reports and suggest fixes, have an enormous number of man-hours at their disposal. Admittedly, most of the coding work is done by a smallish team, but I doubt that anyone has a full grasp of how many people are testing, they only become visible when they find and report a bug. Careful, conscientious work can accomplish a great deal without fancy facilities, and many of the people in the background, as well as the visible ones like Linus, are very talented indeed.

      If they need fancy facilities, I am sure that the FSF or one of the other organisations will advertise for funding, I for one, as an end user who likes good code, would make a modest donation if it was needed.

      Perhaps Darl could make a list of what he actually has at his disposal, that free software developers do not have access to? Or is he talking out of the wrong end of his anatomy again?

  2. Hello, fraud squad? by leonbrooks · · Score: 2, Redundant

    Either way.. goodbye, case!

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  3. Babel round 2 by 3seas · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does this mean we can now replace those lines and let the air out of the SCO tires?

    1. Re:Babel round 2 by eclectro · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does this mean we can now replace those lines and let the air out of the SCO tires?

      No, we slash the freakin' tires.

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    2. Re:Babel round 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      >>Does this mean we can now replace those lines and let the air out of the SCO tires?
      >No, we slash the freakin' tires.
      Carefull, they may be a BBC investigative reporter reading!

    3. Re:Babel round 2 by lgftsa · · Score: 3, Funny

      They've got RFIDs, so an IP(v6 perhaps) is just around the corner. The rollout could happen any day.

    4. Re:Babel round 2 by Blue+Stone · · Score: 2, Funny
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    5. Re:Babel round 2 by AhBeeDoi · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Rights" like this are illusory. I need both hands to hold it and to shake it afterwards.

  4. Netcraft confirms it! by Limburgher · · Score: 5, Funny

    Temperature in Hell== 31 F and falling. . .

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    1. Re:Netcraft confirms it! by iNetRunner · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes.. in Hell they would use Fahrenheit, wouldn't they. Hopefully rest of the plains use Celsius..

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  5. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    In a press release issued Friday, a SCO spokesperson asserts there is no order or value in human life or in the universe.

    1. Re:In other news by aled · · Score: 4, Funny

      They should know, some of human DNA is stolen IP from SCO. They just compared random samples of DNA to one SCO employee and found a lot of common secuences in the code. They will start asking for payments the next week.

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    2. Re:In other news by flacco · · Score: 4, Funny
      They just compared random samples of DNA to one SCO employee and found a lot of common secuences in the code.

      actually i'd be surprised if the match were all that close.

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  6. is it only me... by eryk · · Score: 5, Funny

    or anybody else has read "SCO complaint failed"?

    1. Re:is it only me... by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's Monday's headline. You must be a slashdot subscriber.

    2. Re:is it only me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Want to beat Bush in November?

      Replacing Bush with a man who thinks I should have to present a national ID card to log into my computer is not progress.

    3. Re:is it only me... by shadowbearer · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... ... ...
      4. Prophet???

      SB

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  7. So look forward to the next patch by James_Duncan8181 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The "Definitely untouchable 100% SCO free edition"...

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    1. Re:So look forward to the next patch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ameding the kernel could actually be bad for the community. It would acknowledge the validity of the SCO's claims. We shouldn't change anything until the offending code is proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to be a copyright violation.

      Otherwise we'd just look guilty.

    2. Re:So look forward to the next patch by gaj · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Darl? Is that you?

      Nice try bucko. Though some /. users might be too stupid to understand the concept of mitigating damages, but most of us are not.

      Besides, the ones who have a third grade concept of liability ("we better not try to fix it, otherwise we'd just look guilty") wouldn't be able to fix the alleged infringing code anyway, so their opinions are worth nearly as much as SCO's claims.

  8. No "real depth" here... by Anonymovs+Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Looks like they're pointing out the JFS, EVMA and RCU stuff which everyone knows IBM contributed and probably did modify from IBM's/Dynix's own code. The dispute is about whether SCO has any rights to that code in the first place.

    1. Re:No "real depth" here... by coder_carter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So, it looks like we'll finally get a court to weigh in on whether newly-created code (LVM and JFS, that were created in about 1989 through 1992), is somehow "owned" by the owner of a piece of code it has to interact with.
      The block device driver interface (used by the LVM) was documented publicly multiple times (Egan & Texeira in the mid-80s, Sun Device Driver books, the System V docs themselves, etc)
      It seems that unless the contracts specifically state that these are considered "modifications" of the original AT&T code and not new works that interact with the AT&T code, then the LVM claim is junk.
      The JFS claims are a little murkier. It was not possible to create a UNIX filesystem circa 1990 without the source code to UNIX.
      And my recollection of AIX 3 and JFS was that it didn't just "plug in" to a well-defined interface, it needed lots of intimacy with the VM system and other bits of the kernel.
      While the LVM was big, I don't think it got close to weighing in at a million lines...

    2. Re:No "real depth" here... by Just+Another+Perl+Ha · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Except that the original JFS was scrapped in favor of a port of the OS/2 JFS to AIX (from a totally separate code base). This is the JFS that was later contributed to Linux.

      I'm loath to understand how OS/2 source code could ever be considered a derivative of SysV.

      (That is, if SCOX even has a right to enforce the contract with IBM given their relationship with Novel)

      Oh what a tangled web SCOX weaves...

    3. Re:No "real depth" here... by Just+Another+Perl+Ha · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Wow... I can't believe you could get it so wrong!!

      While it is true that OS/2 was originally developed as a joint projects by MS and IBM, and it is also true that the Santa Cruz Operation's Xenix was originally a MS product... the two projects were over a decade apart at MS and Xenix was written under license from AT&T.

      Unix System IV -- and later, System V (ultimately SVR4) -- and Xenix have completely separate lineage. You can check this history diagram for yourself. Of course, there's no mention of OS/2 there.

      The current SCO Group (ne Caldera) only has a fleeting and coincidental relationship with OS/2 (via MS and Xenix) through their purchase of the Santa Cruz Operation (which purchased something Unix related from Novell (who really bought Unix from USL (which was born out of AT&T))).

      Now that I've clarified all of that... and looking at the mindless drivel that spouts from SCOX... I wouldn't put it past them to make some sort of twisted claim against the JFS from OS/2. But, if they did that... they might as well stake claim to NT and Win2K as well (following the same logic). Of course SCOX's puppet master would never let that happen... now would they.

    4. Re:No "real depth" here... by Just+Another+Perl+Ha · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Well... this part is correct:

      SCO aquired the Xenix from MS

      But this part is definately not (or at least confused and misleading):

      and later Renamed it to SCO Unix System V

      Xenix and System V are completely different beasts. Xenix (1980) is an offshoot of Unix V7 (1979). System V sprang from the USG fork (1977). There was an injection of SysV technology back into the Xenix fork around 1884 and SCO did release a Xenix System V (and later a SCO Unix System V) but these were still under license from AT&T.

      The System V that's in question here (the only one that really matters with respect to intellectual property claims) is the true-blue reference System V that was directly owned by AT&T (who beget USL (which was sold to Novell (which made some sort of Unixy relationship with the Santa Cruz Operation (which sold their soul to Caldara (which assumed the identity of SCO (apparently to muddy the waters regarding their IP claims)))))).

      When you claim that "SCO renamed it to System IV" [sic] (in reference to their Xenix product) you implied that this is the same as the System V which IBM is accused of infinging upon.

      It is not.

      IBM is accused of taking pieces of AIX (and also Sequent's Dynix) and contributing them to Linux. AIX is an offshoot of Unix System V Release 2 (forked after the injection of SysV into Xenix by the way) and the relationship between AIX and Xenix is trivial at best.

      The fact that the true-blue Unix (System V) was allegedly purchased by SCO and that SCO once had a product which was licensed to use System V technology (Xenix)... is purely coincidental. Your post implied otherwise and was therefor, by definition, wrong.

      The fact of the matter is that every unix-like operating system in existance (save a small handful (Linux, the contemporary BSDs, etc...)) are offshoots at one point or another from the real AT&T Unix and exist solely under license from AT&T or their sucessor in interrest (which The SCO Group claims to be). The Santa Cruz Operation's Xenix/Unix System V products owe their very existance to licensing agreements with the rightful owner of the original Unix copyrights.

      Finally... since the original SCO Xenix/Unix products now belong to Tarantula and not The SCO Group (ne Caldera) they have zero bearing on the issues currently before the court.

  9. 2.2 Kernel? by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I thought 2.2 was safe. Then again, we thought they were not going after copyright infringement. I'm guessing that is a typo.

    Since SCO has still not actually complied with previous discovery motions, submitted millions of lines of code to IBM in paper form (real class act, they are) and keeps changing their case, my guess is we will see the end of this case, perhaps this year.

    UNLESS, of course, the Novell vs. SCO suit sidetracks the IBM suit until we can figure out who actually owns Unix...

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    1. Re:2.2 Kernel? by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      For your information, as groklaw.net points out, SCO dropped contract claim and added copyright claim to case

      I have read quite a bit of the filing, and it appears contract claims are not fully disappearing.

      Quoting Groklaw:

      5. This case is not about the debate about the relative merits of proprietary versus open source software. Nor is this case about IBM's right to develop and promote open source software if it decides to do so in furtherance of its independent business objectives, so long as it does so without SCO's proprietary information. This case is, and is only, about the right os SCO not to have its proprietary software misappropriated and misused in violation of its written agreements and well-settled law.

      And its not over until its over. I don't know if you live in America, but as someone who worked in a law office doing paralegal and investigation, I can promise you this COULD still last a while, as far as the courts are concerned.

      The judge *CAN* decide to wait until it is decided who owns the code (to potentially dismiss with prejudice). The judge can also decide to address that issue in his own court first. This is yet another contract dispute.

      I agree that it doesn't look good for SCO, but it never did. They were not trying to win, they were trying to pump and dump, to inflate the stock price, and fight their way toward the door so they can take the money and run. But with the quirkiness of the courts, it still ain't over. I was being optimistic when I said this year...

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    2. Re:2.2 Kernel? by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Part of the problem is that SCO keeps amending their case against IBM, so you are never sure what to expect next. Another problem is that what SCO says in public is NOT what they say in court. Most non technical people would serve in a jury are not really paying attention, so I can't believe its to "poisen the jury pool", as you would expect with OJ, etc. The only logical conclusion is either they really think they are right or they are artificially pumping up the stock.

      I hear alot of heat about /. posting SCO stories, but this case does affect my rights online, since I use Linux mainly to run a bunch of servers. If SCO were to win, it would greatly restrict my ability to do this. This would affect my wallet and my favorite passtime, which are the same: Linux. It may not be the same as spywear, the patriot act or other topics, but it does affect my right to make a living and enjoy computing, so I would respectfully disagree with your point.

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    3. Re:2.2 Kernel? by Jason+Earl · · Score: 3, Informative

      The fact that SCO executives continue to talk about this case outside of the court room is prima facie evidence that they aren't really trying to win. Darl's comments to the press have already been used against him in this case. If the Boies lawyers were actually concerned about winning they would have slapped a gag on the SCO executives a long time ago. Every time that Darl or Blake open their mouth to the press they are giving IBM evidence that can be used against them.

      Darl's quote about the "millions of lines of code" was used in IBM's "Report on SCO's Compliance With the Court's Order," and another of the documents IBM turned in lately pointed out that SCO publicly announced that HP and Sun were not infringing on their UNIX license, and pointed out that SCO was able to do this without looking at the source to Solaris or HPUX.

    4. Re:2.2 Kernel? by Pharmboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But if SCO do win, now the code in question is known, all that has to happen is that the code is removed, and you can now switch to the new, improved version.

      You're really only going to have problems if the code can't easily be re-written, and then, it's only going to affect more enterprise-level mulit-cpu boxes - You're probably still going to be fine.


      Ok, to compare: Lets say I come and burn your house down, but I pay your cost for everything inside it. You are out nothing right? Wrong.

      You are out the time it takes to recover, repurchase and deal with the problem. The same here. If I have to migrate over to another kernel, or another system, it costs alot of time and money. It is not free. I am not worried that I will not be able to use any OS, its just that it will require thousands of dollars in time to deal with it. So the costs are real.

      My time has value. I charge a great deal for it. It is not free if I have to change to BSD, downgrade to kernel 2.2 (which is more than a simple rebuild, since some features require it) and its not free to have to spend time thinking about it either. Since my servers are not little game machines for Counter Strike, but rather are ecommerce and support machines for an enterprize, this costs the company money as well, since they have to spend resources to correct a problem, which also affects my profit sharing and override on sales.

      So yes, it affects me quite directly, in spite of so many people trying to explain how it doesn't. Ironic coming from people who don't know me.

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  10. Mirror... by Ddalex · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fast mirror here... not that Groklaw would need :D or not ?

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  11. I predict by GoofyBoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Patches for every single Linux distribution by the end of the week.

    And it will include commented lines "*uck you, SCO"

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    1. Re:I predict by TexVex · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That would actually be a bad thing for open source, because it would set bad precedent. It would be much better to wait for the case to be resolved. If and only if it turns out SCO code really is in the kernel should the offending code be replaced. I'd be much more interested in seeing the CVS history of the lines in question -- who put them in and when -- than I'd be in seeing a new "SCO-free" kernel.

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    2. Re:I predict by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That would actually be a bad thing for open source,

      I agree. I admit there is a possibility that there is some bad code in Linux (ala SGI, for instance) but at least now we can look through what they are *claiming* is theirs, research the origins for that code, then make a decision. If there is any questionable code, then do the right thing: replace it. My guess is *if* there is infringing code, it would be very minor sections since any large section would have been spotted by now.

      Ironic that SCO has been doing everything they can to prevent programmers from doing the right thing.

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    3. Re:I predict by michael_cain · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Patches for every single Linux distribution by the end of the week.

      Won't matter. The code in question appears to be contributions by IBM -- things like JFS. There's never been any question but what IBM made those contributions. Now it's an issue of whether IBM making those contributions violated their old contract with AT&T. Which is exactly what the claims from SCO got pared down to this week.

      Assume for the moment that IBM loses the contract case -- which seems unlikely. In general, it's damned hard to put "trade secrets" back into the bottle once they're out and as widely distributed as these. The court would probably award SCO damages, but would also note that the secrets are no longer secret, which would preclude SCO from actually getting damages or license fees from anyone else. Any real lawyers willing to comment on that?

    4. Re:I predict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since you know nothing about Concurrent Version System why don't you just ask whether it is possible to know where the specific code came from. The answer is yes. Everything is logged and since kernel contributions go through Linus and several other kernel developers there is no chance in hell that code would just appear in the kernel unaccounted for.

    5. Re:I predict by Pharmboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The AC who replied put it best. Perhaps some of the code pre-2.0 might be a bit fuzzier, but all the modern code is documented quite well. Even the SGI problem was quickly solved.

      Just because SCO says that Linus doesn't know whats in the kernel, doesn't make it true.

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    6. Re:I predict by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One point this thread seems to be missing is that not a single line of the "infringing" lines they've cited were actually from SysV's codebase. They're citing code that IBM authored for AIX, and that Sequent authored for Dynix. Some of it was actually put into the kernel, other bits of code were just provided as reference material for those who wanted to copy it.

      SCO's claim at this point appears to be that, because IBM developed technologies like JFS and RCU, [Man, the Wik knows everything] then those technologies automatically became SCO's once they were implemented within a UNIX derivative.

      In my admittedly non-legal opinion, just because a certain OS technique was discovered and perfected on a UNIX-derived platform, that shouldn't mean that IBM loses the right to bring the same technology to any other platform they're interested in.

      It's not about IBM swiping SCO's secret wonder code. It's about IBM developing its own secret wonder code and then being told by SCO that they have no right to use it.

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    7. Re:I predict by Rip!ey · · Score: 2, Informative

      Remember that damage claims can start from when we first learn that we are infringing.

      But nobody really knows if there is infringing code in linux until the courts have decided that this is indeed the case. The only opinion that really matters here is the one the courts reach.

      Which means that people have from now until such a time that the courts do decide this, assuming that such a conclusion is actually reached, to research the potential infingments and come up with a clean implementation. If such a conclusion is eventually drawn by the courts, the open source community would then be in a position to take immediate affirmative action without any visible delay.

    8. Re:I predict by Ptraci · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thr violation of copyright they are claiming is that IBM continued to sell AIX after SCO tried to revoke their irrevocable license, which Novell disputed their (SCO's) right to do anyway. Their whole reason for revoking the license was apparently IBM's contribution of IBM's code, which SCO claims is derivative of UNIX SYSVr4 just because it appears in AIX.

    9. Re:I predict by xyote · · Score: 2, Informative

      In my admittedly non-legal opinion, just because a certain OS technique was discovered and perfected on a UNIX-derived platform, that shouldn't mean that IBM loses the right to bring the same technology to any other platform they're interested in.


      That part of what the lawsuit is about, what the contractual meaning of "derivative work" is. Except one of the techniques, RCU, was actually first developed on a mainframe operating system, VM/XA in the mid 80's. I've pointed this out before on Slashdot. What's really spooky is that the VM/XA functions are virtually identical to the independently redeveloped Linux RCU functions. HCPMPDFR was to schedule an asynchronous piece
      of work after every processor has gone through a checkpoint at least once. The Linux function is call_rcu() and uses the term quiesce state instead of checkpoint. HCPMPDLY was to delay a thread of execution until every processor has gone through a check point at least once. The Linux function for this is synchronize_kernel(). The mainframe patent is 4,809,168. The Sequent/IBM RCU patents are 5,442,758, 5,608,893, and 6,219,690. I'm writing authoritatively here as I was the original developer of the VM/XA code and one of the inventors on the mainframe patent.


      I'm not sure why IBM doesn't have the RCU claim knocked off the lawsuit since it is clearly not a Unix method. It could be it's not worth the effort since they still have to deal with JFS, NUMA, and SMP kernel stuff in the suit. It's also possible that IBM doesn't want to diminish the value of their RCU patents since the mainframe patent was allowed to expire and is in the public domain AFAIK. McKenney and Slingwine know about the
      mainframe prior art since I've informed them of it a while back. I will say that they were remarkably gracious and good sported about it. Also, I have to commend them on their publicizing and promotion of RCU without which we wouldn't be discussing it now.


      And what bugs me is that despite all this publicity that RCU has gotten, when I mention it while looking for programming work, no one has a clue what it is and thinks I am babbling total nonsense. Which it probably is. It certainly doesn't help in finding work.

  12. SCO Code Sample by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here's a sample of the actual code:

    Select All (*Linux.Users*)

    Repeat
    Daryls.Bankacct = Daryls.Bankacct + Linux.User.Acct(x)
    until total(Linux.Users) = 0

    set displaymode = gloat

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    1. Re:SCO Code Sample by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh god -- is Linux written in Visual Basic :-O

      --
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    2. Re:SCO Code Sample by Liselle · · Score: 2, Funny

      Looks like Darl's code doesn't actually take any money out, it just drops an equivalent value in his account. The U.S. Mint is gonna be pissed. ;)

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    3. Re:SCO Code Sample by blincoln · · Score: 2, Informative

      VB code is better than that. Well, .NET is at least. VB less than or equal to 6 is pretty lame. In .NET it would be:

      For each User in LinuxUsers
      Daryl.BankAcct += User.BankAcct
      User.BankAcct = 0
      Next

      And of course Daryl would be an object of class CAsshat, LinuxUsers would be an array of objects of class CUser, and both would implement interface IFinances.

      BankAcct is a public property, not a variable, and is defined in IFinances.

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    4. Re:SCO Code Sample by elvesRgay · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thats not atomically safe. What if the program fails between line 2 and line 3?

  13. At the very least by alan_dershowitz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    SCO still doesn't have the right to subsume all copyrights to the work that everyone has done on Linux to date, If this is correct, I don't know what the ramifications would be, but linux would survive. Isn't this how BSD ended up? All proprietary code was systematically replaced over time, and the result is still free.

    I'm not sending anyone a check for $699.

    1. Re:At the very least by TrentC · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not sending anyone a check for $699.

      Don't worry, you couldn't even if you wanted to.

      Jay (=

    2. Re:At the very least by mark-t · · Score: 2, Informative

      Indeed, there is nothing in copyright law that allows the owner of a copyrighted work to be assigned ownership of derived works that are determined to be infringing. When a derived work infringes, the most copyright law can do is stop the distribution, it cannot reassign ownership.

  14. Mirror of PDF by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've mirrored the PDF file here. At 2.5MB a pop, this mirror is subject to disappear at any time, but perhaps it'll alleviate the load on Groklaw for the time being. Please post other mirrors here.

    Thanks PJ for all you do :)

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    1. Re:Mirror of PDF by orkysoft · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't this one of those cases where KaZaA or another P2P app (e.g. BitTorrent) would be useful to demonstrate the non-infringing uses of those applications?

      Unless of course there is a copyright restriction on this file.

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    2. Re:Mirror of PDF by pirodude · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also mirrored...

      http://diode.ecn.purdue.edu/~abrezinsky/docs/Doc -1 00-A.pdf

    3. Re:Mirror of PDF by Abuzar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Another mirror! http://abuzar.com/sco/Doc-100-A.pdf

  15. Blank lines have been copyrighted by SCO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The code lines correspond to blank lines. SCO has obviously copyrighted blank lines.

  16. Whooga! Whooga! by zandermander · · Score: 3, Funny


    Now people who are really qualified can do a "Deep Dive". Not just some imaginary mathmaticians from MIT.

    DIVE! DIVE!

    Now WE can sink their Battleship! :-)

  17. code references in case groklaw get /.ed by xlyz · · Score: 4, Informative

    100. The contribution of the Journaling File System ("JFS") was done in a series of "drops" of AIX code identified as "reference files" inside Linux. The first such drop occurred on or about February 2000, with multiple additions and significant follow-up work by IBM since that time to adapt AIX/JFS for enterprise use inside Linux. These drops of reference files do not necessarily become part of the source code in the Linux kernel, but rather are public displays of the Protected Materials so that anyone has access to them and can use them to construct similar file in Linux. The first drop contains (a) a partially functioning port, or transfer, of JFS from AIX to Linux; (b) a set of reference directories (named ref/) which contain the AIX reference version of AIX/JFS; (c) AIX/JFS-related utility files used to maintain and upkeep AIX/JFS; and (d) a set of directories (named directory ref_utils/) which contain the AIX reference version of utilities. Copies of AIX/JFS files into Linux are shown in Table A, below. Table A compares a 1999 version of AIX and shows the following similarities, demonstrating copying of code, structures and/or sequences.

    Table A

    AIX 9922A_43NIA File Line #s Linux 2.2.12 ref/File Line #s
    usr/include/jsf/inode.h 16-37 include/linux/jfs/ref/jfs_inode.h 84-95,
    126-138
    kernel/sys/vnode.h 109-133 include/linux/jfs/ref/jfs_inode.h 96-122
    usr/include/jsf/inode.h 39-40 include/linux/jfs/ref/jfs_inode.h 189-90
    usr/include/jsf/inode.h 161-166 include/linux/jfs/ref/jfs_inode.h 414-421
    usr/include/jsf/inode.h 172-180 include/linux/jfs/ref/jfs_inode.h 37-48
    usr/include/jsf/inode.h 199-205 include/linux/jfs/ref/jfs_inode.h 52-59
    usr/include/jsf/inode.h 62-66 include/linux/jfs/ref/jfs_inode.h 286-290
    usr/include/jsf/inode.h 72-76 include/linux/jfs/ref/jfs_inode.h 295-302
    usr/include/jsf/inode.h 83-158 include/linux/jfs/ref/jfs_inode.h 322-411

    These transfers of AIX/JFS to Linux are in violation of the IBM Related Agreements, and are an improper use of AIX for adaptation to a general operating system.

    101. IBM has also improperly transferred a UNIX/AIX-based enterprise volume management system ("AIX/EVMS") to Linux. Again, this was done by IBM to transfer enterprise-class capabilities from AIX to Linux, and was a violation of the IBM Related Agreements and IBM's promise not to adapt AIX as a general operating system for a non-IBM company. The purpose of AIX/EVMS is to allow the management of disk storage in terms of logical 'volumes' in a large enterprise environment. Tools with this level of sophistication and performance were entirely unavailable and unknown to the open source development community prior to IBM's improper transfer to Linux. The actual transfer "patch" by IBM can be found at http://www.sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?g roup_id=25076&package_id=17436. The first code drop of AIX/EVMS by IBM was v0.0.1, which occurred on 03/21/2001. The first major release of AIX/EVMS by Linux was v1.0.0, in Linux 2.4, which occurred on 03/27/2003. The latest Linux release version of AIX/EVMS is v2.2.1, which occurred on 12/20/2003. The following table, Table B, identifies the AIX/EVMA "patches" of source code improperly transferred by IBM to the Linux 2.4 version.

    Table B

    AIX MERCED/9922A_43NIA Line #s EVMS 1.0.0 patches to Linux 2.4.x Line #s
    kernel/sys/IA64/bootrecord.h 64-170 include/linux/evms/evms_aix.h 157-263
    usr/include/liblvm.h 234-250 include/linux/evms/evms_aix.h 311-327
    usr/include/liblvm.h 252-272
    289-307 include/linux/evms/evms_aix.h 329-349
    usr/include/liblvm.h 316-363 include/linux/evms/evms_aix.h 352-400
    usr/include/lvmrec.h 24-92 include/linux/evms/evms_aix.h 266-294
    usr/include/lvm.h 26-35 include/linux/evms/evms_aix.h 6-11
    kernel/sys/hd_psn.h 32 include/linux/

    1. Re:code references in case groklaw get /.ed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Don't even think about looking for this code in linux-2.4.x. Not a single line of any of the mentionened patches has been merged into linux-2.4.
      You can find the code in these patches provided by IBM:

      EVMS evms_aix.h
      JFS ref/jfs_inode.h
      RCU-2.4.1-01

      Something remotely similar to the rcu patch was eventually merged into 2.5.43 and into United Linux. The EVMS header is used by the compatibility module for AIX partitions and is also in United Linux but nowhere in an official linux. The jfs inode header is not used anywhere, because it is the OS/2 file and was provided only for reference.

  18. Ah-ha! by ch0ke · · Score: 5, Funny

    Line 327 of named file 13 is merely a closing brace.

    j/k

    1. Re:Ah-ha! by Sneftel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah. SCO'S CLOSING BRACE. Give it back! Give it back!

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    2. Re:Ah-ha! by aled · · Score: 3, Funny

      May be they are claiming ownership of closing braces. At least we still have the opening braces.

      --

      "I think this line is mostly filler"
  19. No there wont by boobsea · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That would be an admission of guilt.

  20. Millions of lines? by dtfinch · · Score: 4, Informative

    Looking at their list, there can't be more than a thousand lines there. Most of the matches are about 5-10 lines each.

    And they're ALL written by IBM. And IBM's perpetual license says they own their contributions.

  21. Summary by nepheles · · Score: 5, Funny

    To save you reading the lengthy PDF, here are some of the major similarities noted:

    'int main ()' appears repeatedly in both UNIX System V and Linux
    '#include ' is also obvious stealing of code, appearing in many Linux source files
    Furthermore, 'for (int i = 0; i < ARRAY_LENGTH; i++)' style loops are obviously copied by IBM developers intimately familiar with the original implementations.

    SCO's case is strong.

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    1. Re:Summary by jpetts · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yawn. These type of jokes are so boring now, but given the poster's web site name, it's not really surprising...

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  22. Say what? by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From SCO's filings: Thus, most versions of UNIX will not operate on Intel-based PC's for desktop computing; and Windows will not operate on RISC-based workstations for enterprise computing.

    Perhaps the current versions don't but in the 90s, it DID run on RISC processors, WinNT 3.1, 3.5 and I think even 4.0 ran on MIPS. Since there point was relating to computing "in the 1990s" I would take their point as misleading, at the very least. What they also do not make clear is that the OLD SCO (not Caldera/SCO) was the only proprietary game for x86/unix, but even then Linux and BSD ran x86. Minor, but misleading.

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    1. Re:Say what? by Zeinfeld · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Perhaps the current versions don't but in the 90s, it DID run on RISC processors, WinNT 3.1, 3.5 and I think even 4.0 ran on MIPS. Since there point was relating to computing "in the 1990s" I would take their point as misleading, at the very least. What they also do not make clear is that the OLD SCO (not Caldera/SCO) was the only proprietary game for x86/unix, but even then Linux and BSD ran x86. Minor, but misleading.

      Moreover Microsoft originally wrote the Xenix code that became SCO UNIX for the Intel 8086 based IBM PC. Windows NT was designed to run on RISC chips from the start. The 'NT' part is the name of the chip it was going to run on. The original code was written on RISC and as recently as 3.5 it ran on the DEC Alpha.

      Windows runs on that RISC Intel 64 bit chip they were playing with (whats the name?)

      Like the whole point of Windows NT was to be able to move to other chip lines...

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  23. It's long, but interesting. by YouHaveSnail · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Very interesting. According to SCO:

    - Linux is derived from System V. (75)
    - IBM has endeavored to control the open source community. (76)
    - IBM plans to destroy UNIX. (77)
    - Linus Torvalds can't say who contributed what to Linux. (78)
    - A significant amount of UNIX source code is present in Linux 2.4-2.6 kernels. (79)
    - Linux developers are incapable of developing enterprise-grade software without stealing from SCO. (80, 81)
    - Only IBM's involvement in Linux made Linux viable for enterprise use, and because IBM had access to System V (82), if follows that
    - if follows that Linux is a clone of UNIX. (83)

    1. Re:It's long, but interesting. by Sepper · · Score: 2, Informative

      I also read it, and I get the impression That SCO thinks that:

      1) because it's in AIX, it's UNIX-code and we own it
      2) porting it to Linux makes Linux better and dilluded UNIX
      3) it cannot be anything else's code because UNIX 'has 20 years of developpement' (not the exact words used)
      4) IBM want to become Service-selling only and with Linux free, destroy anyone selling UNIX... (because of point 2)

      Sound to me like a baby crying: "it can't be?! it's not fair, this was all mine, mine!!!!"

      Let's just hope the court clarify all this FAST...

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    2. Re:It's long, but interesting. by Turmio · · Score: 4, Interesting
      - Linux developers are incapable of developing enterprise-grade software without stealing from SCO. (80, 81)
      Yes, very interesting indeed. Perhaps they should take a look at arch/i386/kernel/smpboot.c file of any recent kernel:
      /*
      * x86 SMP booting functions
      *
      * (c) 1995 Alan Cox, Building #3 <alan@redhat.com>
      * (c) 1998, 1999, 2000 Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
      *
      * Much of the core SMP work is based on previous work by Thomas Radke, to
      * whom a great many thanks are extended.
      *
      * Thanks to Intel for making available several different Pentium,
      * Pentium Pro and Pentium-II/Xeon MP machines.
      * Original development of Linux SMP code supported by Caldera.
      *
      * This code is released under the GNU General Public License version 2 or
      * later.

      Original development of Linux SMP code supported by Caldera. Damn those Linux hippies are outrageous people! First they steal from you and then they have the nerve to thank you. Bastards. Also repeated in an old SMP page by Alan Cox.
  24. Haha.. by jason.mitchell · · Score: 3, Funny

    I had no idea SCO owned the rights to #include.. because they claim they do in most of the files they "claim" are stolen. Good job sco.. darl you suck at life.

  25. The claimed code by Valar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The claimed lines of code appear to be in jfs (which is from AIX, not Sconix), evms (once again from AIX), and RCU. Total number of lines is about 600, plus a few complete files claimed to have be contributed illegally by sequent. I fail to see how IBM is prevented by their contract from contributing their own enhancements (or hell, compatible implementations of their filesystems). The rest of the document seems to just be complaining that with IBM's help, linux is going to wipe a lot of proprietary unixes off of the map. Which I believe fails under the legal term "toughus-fucking-luckus."

    1. Re:The claimed code by myg · · Score: 2, Informative
      Well, its interesting to note that, AFAIK, JFS was first ported to later versions of OS/2 and then to Linux. So the Linux use is one removed from the AIX use. I wonder if that little tidbit will come out in court.

      I think these days, between ext3, reiser, and XFS (my favorite, which SCO may try to claim next) Linux would be okay without JFS. But we don't want to set precedent.

      I wonder if that effects the legalities of OS/2 at all.

  26. Maybe by mcc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What I do think that should DEFINITELY be done immediately is just for the heck of it, some minimal-- maybe not even well-done, maybe just copying code from 2.0 or whatever these files were like before the submission-- patches that remove all of the allegedly infringing code should EXIST, if not be incorporated into the main linux tree, just as a proof of concept.

    So that later if SCO is trying to claim "we've been damaged by this", people can respond with "bullshit, those files were nonessential to Linux, look how quickly the community was able to provide replacements and it wasn't even something they had to or had reason to do".

    1. Re:Maybe by hendridm · · Score: 3, Funny

      > maybe just copying code from 2.0 or whatever these files were like before the submission

      Like RCU, NUMA, and JFS support?

    2. Re:Maybe by irokitt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Our machines will still run without them, but the corporate customers that IBM serves won't.

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  27. What is SCO's next move? by Vreejack · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course the code will be quickly replaced whether it can be proved it belongs to SCO or not. We always knew this and surely SCO did as well. So what is SCO up to, exactly? Is this what the copyright suit is meant to address? Are they trying to make sure they still have some way to sue Big Blue?

    "It's spelled SCOX and pronounced to rhyme with _cocks_."

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    1. Re:What is SCO's next move? by Neop2Lemus · · Score: 2, Funny
      I always thought that it meant that they could claim ownership of those particular releases, whatever the future releases would be. That would give them a free, top notch OS which they could market and build from.

      Couse I know nothing on this topic, so am I correct in this?

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    2. Re:What is SCO's next move? by crossconnects · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is what SCOX is claiming is true. What has people upset about it is the fact that Courts don't always understand what is really going on and occasionally make bad decisions. Therefore claims like these are very dangerous; court decisions become precedent, then get treated as law.

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  28. Rest Assured... it's all ok by jeffkjo1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They are still flogging JFS, in spite of the widely known reports that both the current AIX and Linux versions were developed from the IBM OS/2 version of JFS.
    Any code in common is probably easily found in the OS/2 sources.

    The above text was blatently stolen from a groklaw comment.

  29. Which version will this be? by gorehog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm still getting into Linux and BSD, running machines and making the switch. What I'm wondering is if and when will we see distros that feature kernel 2.6 and SCO-free libraries.

    BTW, Is BSD suceptible to this SCO complaint?

    1. Re:Which version will this be? by antiMStroll · · Score: 2, Informative

      Look here for all the SCO-free libraries you could possibly want. Any chosen at random should be safe.

    2. Re:Which version will this be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      BTW, Is BSD suceptible to this SCO complaint?
      Aside from the fact that SCO can sue anyone it pleases for whatever reason it pleases, including no reason at all, BSD is generally safe.

      The reason is that many years ago, ATT sued BSD, claiming that BSD contained proprietary ATT code. During the discovery proceedings, it came to light that, in fact, the opposite was true! ATT had actually appropriated some of BSD's proprietary code, without the proper attributions.

      That is to say, BSD has been tested already in just this type of bogus shenanigan, and BSD won.

      It's nice to see someone who is trying both Linux and BSD, coming into the unix world without an apparent bias. If you haven't tried FreeBSD already, install it on one of those machines you're messing with. If you don't like it, wipe it and put Linux (or OpenBSD, or NetBSD) on the machine. I like FreeBSD, I also run Linux, YMMV, and thanks for having an open mind!
  30. heh. Check out #87 by the_Speed_Bump · · Score: 5, Interesting

    87. By making the Linux operating system free to end users, IBM could undermine and destroy the ability of any of its competitors to charge a fee for distribution of UNIX software in the enterprise market. Thus, IBM, with its army of Global Services integrators who earn money by selling services, would gain a tremendous advantage over all its competitors who earn money by selling UNIX licenses.

    Seems like someone's sore because IBM has a better business model.

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  31. Oops by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny

    I keep thinking of him as Daryl, since Darl is a female name.

    To make matters worse, he's a McBride and not a McGroom.

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    Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
    1. Re:Oops by prockcore · · Score: 5, Funny

      To make matters worse, he's a McBride and not a McGroom.

      Mc means son-of.. he's the son of the bride, not son of the spouse. Meaning he was born out of wedlock, making him an honest to goodness Bastard.

    2. Re:Oops by neonstz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Google seems to agree.

    3. Re:Oops by eraserewind · · Score: 2, Informative

      Since both languages are Gaelic variants, it doesn't make much difference. Mc is just a shortened version of Mac which means son in Gaelic, and there are plenty of both Irish and Scottish surnames that include it.

      O' means grandson, (or somehow male descendant of), and is very common in Irish surnames. I am not sure if it's used in any Scottish ones at all. Certainly it's not common in them at all. Hence your (quite common) belief.

      Ni/Ui are the female equivalents of Mac/O'

  32. Reading the pdf... Like this line... by RyanFenton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "21. By way of example, in the personal computing market, Microsoft Windows is the best known operating system. The Windows operating system was designed to operate on computer processors ("chips") built by Intel. Thus, Windows serves as the link between Intel-based processors and the various software application that run on personal computers."

    I count at least 3 major logical errors in that section, and find it's existence in this document unjustified.

    1. Windows is not an operating system, but a family of them - Windows 98, Windows 2000, Windows NT are the operating systems.
    2. They were not all designed with Intel as the only manufacturer of systems that the OS should work on.
    3. The OS does much more than work with processor "chips".

    It seems unlikely to me that lawyers proefficient with modern computer systems worked on this document.

    1. Re:Reading the pdf... Like this line... by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 3, Interesting

      NT was designed at the start to be cross platform, they felt at the time they wanted not to be tied down to Intel chips. They designed it to a small HAL (hardware abstraction layer) which virtualized the processor and system resources and only more recently have they become x86 only. I forgot the first platform, I'm thinking the (RISC) Intel i960, but I'm not sure. At one time NT ran on ix86, PowerPC, MIPS, and Alpha. I do think #3 is no longer true though, They dropped support for all other chips a whle back; none of the other chips had the volume to justify further NT development.

  33. Quick summary: nothing special by leonbrooks · · Score: 5, Informative
    Mostly standards-related header files, about 200 lines from .c files (some of which never hit the mainstream kernel, some of which are already obselete, some of which were distributed by Caldera themselves). No copyright claims any more. No trade-secret claims any more. It's down to breach of contract against IBM.

    Most telling is that none of the code listed is from TSG, OpenServer or UnixWare, it's all IBM-authored code and the entire gambit rests on the breach-of-contract details.

    Cue "Funeral March for a Marionette"...

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    1. Re:Quick summary: nothing special by jeffphil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>No copyright claims any more. No trade-secret claims any more. It's down to breach of contract against IBM.

      And up to $5 Billion for damages.

    2. Re:Quick summary: nothing special by solman · · Score: 2

      This is actually not true. SCO said they were adding two aims that were worth $1B a pop and the press did the math: 1+1+3=5.

      The press forgot that SCO also dropped the trade secret claim. It should be $4B. Of course, SCO isn't about to correct a mistake in their favor. It seems to be what's reported in the press that they care most about, not what is reported in the courtroom.

    3. Re:Quick summary: nothing special by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IBM does not want the case dismissed. They are calling SCO's bluff for a reason: They want to see it through and have out in the clear that what SCO is trying is simply not done and make sure the entire world knows that.

    4. Re:Quick summary: nothing special by mpe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      IBM does not want the case dismissed. They are calling SCO's bluff for a reason: They want to see it through and have out in the clear that what SCO is trying is simply not done and make sure the entire world knows that.

      Effectivly what SCO are arguing is that proprietary Unix contains a licencing "virus" such that anything which has ever been linked to it becomes "infected" and is able to infect anything it is later linked to.
      SCO are using this kind of argument to claim that they have control of code with supercedes that of the copyright holder(s) of the code in question.
      If SCO are not utterly destroyed the whole issue of copyrights on software will become an utter mess. With all sorts of third parties claiming control over pieces of software...

  34. It is still full of false and fraudulent clames. by arivanov · · Score: 4, Interesting
    54. At this point in time, IBM's UNIX expertise was centered on its own Power PC processor. IBM had little or no expertise on Intel processors.

    Even if we ignore what the term IBM PC means, even if we ignore iRMS, even if we ignore OS2 this still leaves AIX/386 which as far as I recall used to run a considerable part of NATO radar infrastructure. OK, IBM insisted on it being useable only on boards with 1M L2 cache, but I it happily ran on much less then that.

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  35. This would have made sense, in May 2003 by aws4y · · Score: 5, Insightful
    All of the Files are from AIX and Dynx! The only way these conrtibutions are improper is if IBM cannot contribute ANY of its home grown code into linux. There was a bit of a row about this on the LKML before JFS was accepted. I also find this paragraph odd (113 under First Cause of Action)

    IBM has violated 2.01 of the Software Agreement by, inter alia, using and assisting others to use the Software Products (including System V source code, derivative works, documentation rrelated thereto and methods based thereon) for external purposes that are different from, and broader than, IBM's own internal business purposes. By actively supporting, assisting and promoting the transfer of UNIX technology to Linux, and using its access to UNIX technology to accomplish this objective, IBM is (a) using the Software Product for external business purposes, which include use for the benefit of Linus Torvalds, the general Linux community and IBM's Linux distribution partners, Red Hat, Inc., Novell, Inc., SuSE Linux AG and their respective subsidiaries; and is (b) directly and indirectly preparing unauthorized derivative works based on the Software Products and unauthorized modifications thereto in violation of 2.01 of the Software Agreement.

    Notice that SysV code is not listed amongst the files in the complaint. The above claim is only true in the case that SCO's Idea of a derivative work is valid.

    IMHO, this is actually a reasonable leagal document, where there may be an actual dispute over the idea of a derivative work. However, SCO should not be allowed to change its tack in the middle of discovery, until now this case has been about a claim of copying of sysV code and breach of contract, but now they are claiming here that there was no copying and IBM breached its contract by contributing code that IBM owns into Linux. SCO no longer claims, as they did in there initial filing, that IBM improperly contributed sysV code into Linux. This should not be allowed on the grounds that until now, SCO has been using improper contributions of sysV code attempt to persuade people to pay license fees. This also means that SCO has once again lied publicly about the ammount severity of the copying. In fact the Linux community would not be a party to the dispute if JFS, RCU, and NUMA were removed from the kernel. (These documents do not explain how SMP is affected accept by NUMA.) In that case the court cannot ignore what SCO has stated in public, while allowing them to state something substantivly different in court, its one or the other SCO, not both.

    In any case Linux is indemnified by the fact that they asked IBM if all of there technologies were contributed in good faith, IBM said yes, and the Kernel development community had no reason not to belive them.

    I still think that SCO has a lot of explaining to do when this is all said and done.

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    1. Re:This would have made sense, in May 2003 by Crispy+Critters · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "IMHO, this is actually a reasonable legal document, where there may be an actual dispute over the idea of a derivative work."

      There isn't any meaningful dispute. The agreements with AT&T covering both AIX and Dynix code use "derivative work" in the same way it is understood in all copyright law. There is nothing in the agreement that suggests that code which contains no copyrightable elements of SysV is a derivative work. The famous clause about treating derivative works the same as the SOFTWARE PRODUCT is just a statement of normal copyright protection.

      Although she hasn't said so, this is the way the judge sees it. That is why she ruled in December that SCOG gets no discovery from IBM until they make their claims with specificity. They said they can't do this until they get the AIX development codebase from IBM, and the judge ignored them.

    2. Re:This would have made sense, in May 2003 by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2, Funny

      I still think that SCO has a lot of explaining to do when this is all said and done.

      Let's hope its done with those two-way phones they have in prison visiter rooms.

  36. How quickly code is replaced will deflate the case by BlueCoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When the case is in front of a judge or jury and the timeline for how quickly code is replaced is presented the judge might just dismiss the case right then and there. Simply put in infringement cases you need to have damages. If all they had to do was release the lines of code they claim are infringing and it's replaced by the end of the week that goes to show how valuble that code really was. The most they could possibly get, if the judge found the code non trivial, is about $10,000 to $20,000 dollars just as a penalty. That's why I think a judge could dismiss the case as SCO couldn't pay their lawyers with that.

    But chances are the case is too political and the defence would protest to get the code judged as infringing or not. It's a landmark case as to the methodology to determing what is infringing and what is not when it comes to code.

    To me at least it takes a signifigant amout of code, tens of kilobites worth that couldn't be replaced within a month. Damages would have to exceed a quarter million dollars just to judtify taking the case to court. When code can be replaced so easily where is it's value?

  37. Will Groklaw play a direct role? by Chordonblue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suspect that IBM has been paying close attention to the 'subversive' activities at Groklaw, but I wonder if they'll ever get any direct credit for it. There's been a great deal of

    PJ and her legal elves certainly deserve our thanks.

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    1. Re:Will Groklaw play a direct role? by paitre · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Groklaw has already been cited as a source in at least one of IBM's briefs to Judge Wells.
      So yeah, they're definately getting direct credit, and due :)

    2. Re:Will Groklaw play a direct role? by Xenographic · · Score: 4, Informative

      Indeed, another person mentioned that Groklaw was citied in IBM's legal filings. You might also be interested in this:

      OSRM has simultaneously retained me, part-time, to work on their indemnification project as their Director of Litigation Risk Research. Not only that but they are donating a certain portion of my time to Groklaw, which will free me from having to do so much nonrelated paralegal work and be free to really focus for the next year on this project. I am very excited about the project and I hope we'll have fun too. Groklaw will continue, meanwhile, as it is, and it remains noncommercial and my personal baby. Well, more accurately, ours, because Groklaw wouldn't be much without you.

      Which is from this Groklaw article.

      I should also mention that Groklaw, which was originally a completely separate site, has long been hosted by iBiblio. IBM has donated to them.

      That fact, of which no one who knows anything is particularly surprised, is what Daniel Lyons of Forbes added to some random blog posts and turned into a conspiracy article. Barring them firing Mr. Lyons for it, this has sealed my oppinion that their "research" consists primarily of press releases with little or no actual independent research and minimal, if any, editorial oversight.

      In other words, I wouldn't trust their advice for managing a child's lemonade stand, much less my finances.

    3. Re:Will Groklaw play a direct role? by Xenographic · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sorry--one minor correction. When I say "IBM has donated to them" I am referring to iBiblio, not Groklaw. IBM, to the best of my knowledge, has never directly funded Groklaw.

      Unlike certain other companies, IBM respects judicial ethics about discussing a case pending litigation...

    4. Re:Will Groklaw play a direct role? by EvilGrin666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Would be nice if an accountant at IBM clicked that 'donate via paypal' link and dumped a few thousand dollars on PJ though.

  38. I'm still working on my rebuttal... by kramer2718 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It'll be called "Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at SCO."

    It'll be out soon in hardback.

    1. Re:I'm still working on my rebuttal... by FattMattP · · Score: 4, Funny
      The lawsuit from SCOX News won't be far behind...
      There's already a movie about it.
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  39. SCO's requests are all clear now by lokedhs · · Score: 4, Informative
    After seeing the lists of files SCO has published, it's now clear why they have requested every single source release of AIX and Dynix.

    If you look at the list, you'll notice that most of the files are header files. These header files are probably available in the off-the-shelf releases of these OS'es. They have then probably does some compare and came up with the resulting list.

    If they get all sources from IBM, they probably will perform the exact same comparison, but on all the new files they got.

    However, we shouldn't be so worried about this. According to one post on groklaw, the contents of these files are mostly #include's anyway.

  40. Line hunting advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you are hunting, be aware that their line numbers refer to versions after the application of e.g. a rcu patch. It makes it tricky to find the actual lines, since the patches change the numbering from that in the pristeen distribution.

  41. Spoken like a true zealot; now, do whats smart. by rufusdufus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This would not be admission of guilt; it would simply be limiting liability. It is the smart thing to do.

    If linux does not change the code, and SCO wins the case on the grounds that the law is technically moronic, linux will lose huge credibility.
    If linux does change the code and SCO loses its case, no harm done.

  42. Connections.. by -tji · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just noticed that the first lawyer listed on this SCO document is "Brent O. Hatch", the son of Utah Senator Orrin Hatch.

    1. Re:Connections.. by yanestra · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I pointed out a couple of weeks ago my conjecture that Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft and gang were more likely behind this than Microsoft.

      They want OSS and the Internet brought under control and they'll do anything to get there.

      I live in Germany, and to me it was always surprising how far criminal politicians can get in the United States. I mean, Enron and Halliburton have been in the press, but no-one cared after all...
  43. What are they talking about here? by starseeker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "78. However, as is widely reported and as IBM executives knew, or should have known, a significant flaw of Linux is the inability and/or unwillingness of the Linux process manager, Linus Torvalds, to identify the intellectual property origins of contributed source code that comes in from those many different software developers. If source code is code copied from protected UNIX code, there is no way for Linus Torvalds to identify that fact."

    Um. If source code was copied from protected UNIX code, how the @#$@%@# would Linus know about it? He doesn't have access to the protected source code - it's protected! The only way to know is if the owners of the protected source code make the claim and are able to back it up! How can Torvalds be faulted for not being clarvoyant? Do they mean identify it after the fact? AFAIK no one can say yet that the origins of code X can't be identified. SCO hasn't even let us TRY - they won't tell us what they want identified!

    If what they are actually saying is that open source shouldn't be allowed to proceed simply because it doesn't have massive paperwork assigning every bit of code to some source, they've been hitting the crack again. Email archives, content management back trails anyone? And we can go further than that if we are really forced to - the FSF has been getting copyrights assigned to it for years just in case things come to that pass, and if it becomes utterly necessary that might become common practice.

    What I'm hoping will come out of all this is a way that open source projects can set themselves up so that no one can sue them without them actually having done something wrong. (OK, OK - I know anyone can still bring the lawsuit. I mean create a situation where the project dispose of the suit in such a way that it doesn't cost the project or developers much of anything and discourages idiots like SCO from attempting it.) That would be useful, and if SCO is the start of a trend may become very necessary.

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    1. Re:What are they talking about here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Um. If source code was copied from protected UNIX code, how the @#$@%@# would Linus know about it?

      I think they are arguing that Linus doesn't use FSF-like copyright assignment or even patch comments, so after it's been merged into the Linux tarball it become almost impossible to determine the exact ownership. This problem was much worse a couple years ago when Linus just pulled stuff out of his inbox and didn't use source control or publish detailed changelogs.

      I mean create a situation where the project dispose of the suit in such a way that it doesn't cost the project or developers much of anything and discourages idiots like SCO from attempting it.

      This lawsuit has had very little effect on Linus or any other Linux developer. It's only a problem for IBM's legal department and advocacy griefers on Slashdot/Groklaw. But if Linus is actually worried about being sued, he might look into a FSF-like system for copyright management.

  44. Priceless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    reading slashdot story... free

    trying to follow the story links... painful but free

    reading the comments... free

    finding someone who posted a mirror... free

    downloading the pdf from the mirror at 150Kb/s half an hour after the mirror was posted even though its modded to 5... priceless

    dude, where the fuck do you get that bandwidth? hook a brother up with a shell and some webspace?

  45. Re:And so the real game begins by Fembot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well from what I can see about 60% of it is just header files which well Duh are gonna be similar

    of which 50% is JFS's inode.h, and the other is todo with EVMS

    then the rest of it looks like clock stuff, and i386 stuff, and unless im missing somthing thats the general gist of it!

    I'd say 1 week max til it's all gone or shown not to actualy belong to SCO

  46. Oh... and no more "millions of lines" claims by leonbrooks · · Score: 5, Funny

    SCOX stock price, meet Mr Floor?

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    1. Re:Oh... and no more "millions of lines" claims by xmedar · · Score: 4, Funny

      And the ticker symbol is changed from SCOX to SUX...

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    2. Re:Oh... and no more "millions of lines" claims by Saba · · Score: 2, Funny
      SCOX stock price, meet Mr Floor?


      Now's the time to invest! Buy buy buy!

    3. Re:Oh... and no more "millions of lines" claims by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 5, Interesting

      SCOX stock price, meet Mr Floor?

      I dunno; SCOX buyers seem to have their heads in an invincible reality-distortion field. The next Slashdot poll should be "What will SCOX close at on Monday?":

      * $31.89
      * $13.75
      * $10.00
      * $5.00
      * $1.00
      * -$666.00

      The commenter closest without going over wins 30 karma points.

    4. Re:Oh... and no more "millions of lines" claims by PhilippeT · · Score: 2, Funny

      Funny would have been -$699 the price of a linux licence

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    5. Re:Oh... and no more "millions of lines" claims by Keiner+Niemand · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > SCOX stock price, meet Mr Floor?
      Wishful thinking, i fear. For a non-programmer, it looks like SCO did produce hard evidence, and so their stock will rise, at least at first.

    6. Re:Oh... and no more "millions of lines" claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      And the ticker symbol is changed from SCOX to SUX...

      No need to change, I've been reading it as S COX for quite a while.

    7. Re:Oh... and no more "millions of lines" claims by mcc · · Score: 3, Funny

      Can the poll be hosted by Bob Barker?

    8. Re:Oh... and no more "millions of lines" claims by TheOldFart · · Score: 2, Funny

      S COX

      I take it as "S" stands for "Suck". I leave the rest to your imagination...
    9. Re:Oh... and no more "millions of lines" claims by sjvn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It will be about the same plus or minus five percent. Most news stories, I'm ashamed to say, have focued on the 'five billion dollars' that SCO is now claiming, without looking at the far more important issue that SCO is essentially trying to rewrite their claims agains IBM at the 11th hour and 59th minute. I doubt that the court will let this fly.

      Now, Monday a week from now, if the court rules against SCO's new movements, I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see SCO has dropped like a rock. SCO may end up with nothing more than a breech of contract case and that doesn't have nearly the sex appeal of Massive Trade Secret Claims Worth Billions!

      Steven

    10. Re:Oh... and no more "millions of lines" claims by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Most news stories, I'm ashamed to say, have focued on the 'five billion dollars' that SCO is now claiming

      I'm a little surprised they didn't claim "five billion zillion dollars".

  47. No, very dangerous move by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Does this mean we can now replace those lines and let the air out of the SCO tires?

    Such a move wouldn't be very smart, even if it was technically possible. SCO could easily argue that "those evil linux people removed it because they knew it was infringing code".

    It's much better to leave it in, and show a little patience for the legal system. Believe it or not, the Linux community really isn't getting hurt all that much in the corporate marketplace according to surveys I've seen...and the non-corporate linux user base certainly couldn't give a hoot.

    I still say this would be a whole lot easier if kernel developers stood up for their work and reputations by doing whatever they can in their respective legal systems(imagine, lawsuits in 30 countries. The RIAA would be proud). So far, all we've seen is a lot of (amusing, but pointless in a court of law) hot air from Linus.

    1. Re:No, very dangerous move by sealawyer2003 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Such a move wouldn't be very smart, even if it was technically possible. SCO could easily argue that "those evil linux people removed it because they knew it was infringing code." Actually, SCO should not be allowed to argue that. The rules of evidence prevent using the defendant's corrective action to prove liability. The idea is that you don't want to force the defendant to leave in a dangerous or infringing situation in just so his legal position is better.

  48. Fundimental Issue of this case..... by Dr_Marvin_Monroe · · Score: 4, Informative
    Ok, I read the article, common groklaw reader...

    Here's the issue as best as can be broken down from the whole case Paragraph "IBM's Scheme"...section 91)

    IBM, however, was not and is not in a position legally to "open source any part of AIX that the Linux community considers valuable." Rather, IBM is obligated not to open source AIX because it contains SCO's confidential and proprietary UNIX source code, derivative works, modifications and methods.
    AIX's confidential and propriatery UNIX source code extends only to the code that IBM got from SCO originally to start development from.

    As an author of add-in modules and enhancements, IBM can distribute under MULTIPLE licenses...It can choose dual license if it wishes....OSS and AIX/SCO.

    SCO must now show where their original license stipulates "..all your base..." Failing that, IBM can do whatever it wants to do with it's own creations.

    1. Re:Fundimental Issue of this case..... by AhBeeDoi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Although SCO's complaint pushes heavily on the derivative works angle, it is far more insidious in implying that the knowledge and experience of engineers who worked on AIX & Dynix prior to being assigned to the Linux project are also the domain and IP of SCO. The complaint quotes comments in some of the code that state that it was based on the work of a specific engineer from another project (AIX?). The complaint further states that the existing community of Linux contributors, apparently a hapless group of bumbling amateurs and hobbyists, lack the knowledge, experience and hardware-testing resources to create enterprise level product. That gap could only be filled by the expertise of IBM's professionals who honed their knowledge through many years of developing AIX and Dynix. By extension, any work done by these IBM and Sequent engineers on Linux could be deemed part of SCO IP even if it bears no resemblance to or has no precedence in Unix source code.

  49. As I AC'd on Groklaw: SCO cannot count by fireman+sam · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From Table D:

    Dynix Line #s Linux Line #s
    kernel/i386/trap.c 2054 init/main.c 30-33,609-616

    How could a single line from Dynix (number 2054) occur at lines 30-33 and
    609-616?

    I thought if you were cutting and pasting lines from one file to another you
    would get the same number of lines.

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    1. Re:As I AC'd on Groklaw: SCO cannot count by Sesostris+III · · Score: 2, Informative

      What is more, it isn't kernel/i386/trap.c! This is a transcription mistake. It should be kernel/i386/startup.c

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    2. Re:As I AC'd on Groklaw: SCO cannot count by s20451 · · Score: 4, Informative

      for (i = 1; i < 5; i++) { foo(i); } /* one line */

      for (i = 1; i < 5; i++) {
      foo(i);
      } /* three lines, same code */

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  50. A damp squib, again by bheading · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In this document SCO identify three groups of what they regard as "infringing" code. They readily admit that the number of examples they can provide is somewhat limited due to the fact that they don't possess themselves enough evidence to prove it. "Damn it, I know they stole it from us - if only I could get the evidence to prove it!".

    The first set (Table A) is JVS code. As we all know JFS is an IBM/AIX creation, so with this SCO will be focussing on their "derived work" argument.

    The second set (Table B) is EVMS code. Again, this is a less-mentioned contribution from IBM AIX into Linux. Again, this will be SCO's "derived work" according to their skewed worldview.

    The third and fourth sets are the most interesting (Table C and D). They identify stuff allegedly lifted from Dynix (Sequent) code. I could not find the rclock.* or the kmemdef.* files in 2.4.18 or in 2.4.1 (the version they've named), I presume they were removed at some point - Torvalds or someone else could probably identify when.

    In Table D, the code they've highlighted in the 2.4.1 apic.c file consists of #include lines, some comments, and a very basic "if" statement in the middle of some SMP related code for handling timer interrupts, it seems. It's the same in timer.c, they're also complaining about lines which refer to Alpha or IA64, rather odd since they never wrote code concerning those CPUs.

    The entry.S reference they've made, going by the code comments, refers to code which switches an i386 back into user mode following a system call. (guess mode - the set of assembly mnemonics to put an i386 into user mode is likely to be very standard; the default code was probably provided free of charge by Intel years and years ago, and probably found it's way into every i386 memory-protected OS written!).
    The same seems true of traps.c. The main.c lines are just some includes and some static declarations.

    I also did some casual Google searches to see if any of the alleged infringing lines of code showed up anywhere. In all the cases I checked, the lines show only in Linux kernels, and not anywhere else. If this code did appear elsewhere then it isn't immediately obvious where it came from.

    So I really don't think that SCO has much of a leg to stand on here ...

    1. Re:A damp squib, again by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      EVMS wasn't actually accepted into Linux by Mr Tovalds. About the only place you'd find it was in SCO and United Linux kernels.

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    2. Re:A damp squib, again by bheading · · Score: 3, Informative

      Replying to my own post here ..

      There has been further analysis on Groklaw. The rclock.h, rclock.c, kmemdefs.h and kmemdefs.c files are here. This is an RCU patch seemingly provided by IBM, but which (as another contributor pointed out) were never included in the kernel by Linus.

      As has been pointed out on Groklaw (and on here earlier) SCO are clearly dropping the "Linux is all stolen code" article in favour of the "IBM stole our code and put it in Linux" article. This fact needs to be shouted from the rooftops. I'm quite sure IBM can defend themselves .. (evil grin)

    3. Re:A damp squib, again by Monkelectric · · Score: 4, Informative
      entry.S reference they've made, going by the code comments, refers to code which switches an i386 back into user mode following a system call. (guess mode - the set of assembly mnemonics to put an i386 into user mode is likely to be very standard; the default code was probably provided free of charge by Intel years and years ago, and probably found it's way into every i386 memory-protected OS written!). The same seems true of traps.c. The main.c lines are just some includes and some static declarations

      I happen to have a copy of "80386 System Software Writer's Guide" by Intel on my desk (ala 1987). This book provides a framework for OS development on the 386 and alot of code to boot. If the entry.S code is derived from Intel code it would be in this book or a later edition. The idea is really not that far fetched. Writing protected mode entry/exit code is at best tedious and entirely unnecessary as intel not only provided code, but in most cases the optimal solutions to the problem as no one understood the nuances of protected mode better then them.

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  51. It's just so ironic... by LinuxParanoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's so ironic about the suit to me is that when IBM entered the Unix market with AIX in 1990, they were the *first* Unix vendor to introduce their own journal filesystems and volume management tools integrated into the OS.

    These now-common approaches to improving the reliability and flexibility of Unix were part of IBM's value-add to Unix... a bit of heritage from their mainframe and minicomputer perspective. It wasn't enough in the marketplace to overcome IBM's late-ness to Unix and the odd uniquenesses of its registry-based configuration, but it did help somewhat in enterprise environments.

    Anyway, after 10 years in the Unix market, IBM decides that having had minimal/modest success in the commercial Unix marketplace, perhaps they would have better luck in the free Unix marketplace (making money selling services,) particularly if they can catch this wave early rather than spending a decade worrying about cannibalization of their own product line. So they take the AIX 'crown jewels' and share them with the free Unix community.

    And SCO claims that they are derivatives of SCO's original Unix work?!

    If any version of AT&T Unix/Unixware that shipped to people like IBM included journal filesystems or volume management or NUMA SMP, then maybe I could buy it, but given the dictionary definitions of "derived" I just can't.

    (dictionary.com entry for
    "derive": "to obtain or receive from a source".
    "derivative": "copied or adapted from others")

    --LP

    1. Re:It's just so ironic... by idiotnot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I liked the comment about how IBM had little or no Intel expertise.

      Uhh, they invented the PC, *and* they ported AIX to it in the late 80's.

  52. How it works... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IBM Develops some technology for OS/2

    IBM adds it to AIX

    SCO (claiming to own copyrights to Un*x) says anything derivative of Unix (AIX in this case) becomes their IP

    SCO Sues IBM for copyright infringement

    IBM demonstrates this technology existed prior and was given to both operatings systems as an add-on

    SCO loses

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  53. Well... by BHearsum · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I haven't got through the whole thing yet, but it sounds to me that the motivation behind it is that SCO is whining that IBM is making money off of services now, and they're not.

    Darl: Things change, adapt your business, or fuck off.

  54. So what exactly "IS" kernel 2.4.1-01? by EMR · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I downloaded linux kernel 2.4.1 and most of the files they mention don't even exist in the source tree.. Are they comparing things to one of THEIR source trees with THEIR code patches in there or something STUPID like that?

  55. Just a thought and comment on this whole issue. by Arimus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    SCO seem to be saying IBM knowingly contributed code to Linux knowing it would help linux succeed over traditional Unix flavours...

    So let me get this right IBM gave code from their expensive product to a free product...

    Hmmm.... why???

    SCO should be made to demonstrate what motivation IBM had in acting this way -- other than IBM knowing they could sell services better than OS's...

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  56. A rock-solid case... I stand corrected - by brsmith4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow, a collection of header files that have similar function declarations!!! Unreal! Those IBM bastards!

    Correct me if I am wrong, but POSIX compliance does not require a license from SCO. Defining these functions similarly to the SysV style is not a breach of IP. It's the code that these functions represent that may be in breach, but SCO does not outline any of this.

    Also, the JFS file system is IBM's own work. Yes, if IBM makes a change to the actually system v code base by adding jfs, then those changes are only usable by the licensees. But there is no indication that the implementation of JFS made any impact on that SYSV standard. Its a code base that is external to the licensed system v code and is therefore not under any of SCO's jurisdiction.

    In conlusion, their case is null and void. I hope their board of directors spend a few years behind bars for this spectacular abuse of the US legal system. Maybe IBM can pay off some inmates to make Darl someones bitch.

    1. Re:A rock-solid case... I stand corrected - by jgoemat · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yes, JFS is in no way a "derivative work" of UNIX. A derivative work is something "based on" another work. SCO has quite a liberal view of what that means, seeing as JFS was originally developed for OS/2 and ported to AIX. A derivative work includes preexisting material from another work and work from a new author.

      A movie based on a book is a derivative work because it contains the same basic story (expression). It is told in another medium with moving pictures and sound. The new author owns the copyright on the movie because they created the pictures and sound. They cannot distribute the movie without a license from the book author however because the movie contains preexisting material from the book (story, maybe dialog, etc.). If the producers had the movie and decided to put a song in it, that would be part of the combined work. That song would not be considered a derivative work of the book. The person that wrote the song would have the copyright and be able to distribute it however they wished without going to the book author for another license because it doesn't contain the preexisting material from the book and is therefore not a derivative work.

      Ideas and methods specifically cannot be copyrighted. Maybe IBM broke their contract by disclosing proprietary methods of UNIX, but I doubt it. By the time IBM contributed JFS and the other code to Linux, BSD and Linux had been around for about ten years. In effect, whatever methods are in BSD and Linux are not IBM's responsibility to maintain in confidence anymore, per section 7.06a of their software licensing agreement:

      [part requiring IBM to hold UNIX methods and concepts in confidence]... If information relating to a SOFTWARE PRODUCT subject to this Agreement at any time becomes available without restriction to the general public by acts not attributable to LICENSEE or its employees, LICENSEE's obligations under this section shall not apply to such information after such time
  57. Re:Remove the code! What Code? by EMR · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What code? Comparing their line numbers to the 2.4.1 kernel source of the files that actually DID exist in the distribution (several that they claim to infringe don't even exist in the official linux source). And all that comes up is.. a comment here.. some assigments there, a print statment about a APIC bug. a simple if statemnt. (if (info) call_this_func; else call_other_func();..
    The biggest "chunk" was around a function that closed STDIN, STDOUT, and STDERR, and then opened the /dev/console for STDOUT.

  58. Actually... by saodl · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is one of the most effective endorsements of Linux I have ever read.

    Despite my sympathies, I have never actually installed Linux for use on my home computer (sorry). I'm about half way through this document of SCO's and my read is that they are saying "UNIX kicks ass so much that it is used for everything important, but Linux is better and is going to destroy our business."

    Of course they are establishing this only to claim that it could not be so good without stealing code from UNIX. Once that is disproven (I hope), all that will be left is a powerful arguement that Linux will and should replace UNIX and is more reliable than Windows.

    Nice job SCO!

  59. I might be wrong... by shepd · · Score: 2, Informative

    But I thought the defendant and judge are the only people who can demand trial by jury?

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    1. Re:I might be wrong... by BoneFlower · · Score: 2, Funny

      That line was put in for the impending criminal case against SCO.

  60. NT running on RISC processors: YEP!!! by lkcl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the story goes something like this:

    1) dave cutler's VAX/VMS team gets bored (funding cut)

    2) microsoft hires dave and his team (6 people).

    3) they code 200,000 lines per year EACH for 5 years, exclusively in c.

    4) paul leach (of apollo and NCS 1.0 which became DCE/RPC fame) recommends DCE/RPC for NT Domain services.

    5) bill gates orders from-on-high that NT must have a windows interface.

    6) dave's team add a windows subsystem to placate bill: they have to port the win16 subsystem to 32-bit (hence the win32 subsystem).

    [7) ibm somehow gets involved: nt also has an OS/2 subsystem. someone gets terribly embarrassed that NT uses ibm's OS/2 "HPFS" and orders that NT must have its own file system (esp. because HPFS doesn't support VAX/VMS security model) hence NTFS.]

    8) DEC cottons on to what dave cutler is up to, especially when the VAX/VMS security model's interface turns up pretty much function-for-function in NT, and gets integrated properly into the NT Domain Services.

    9) DEC gets paid $50m and mysteriously NT 3.51 gets ported to the DEC Alpha.

    that's why NT runs on those lovely RISC processors: it was written in c and so was dead-easy to add other OSes.

    not bad doing 2 weeks work and getting paid $50m.

  61. What ever happened to David Boies? by compactable · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can someone explain why SCO sends people like Weiss & Dal's little brother to the plate when they're clinging to life? These people are wet farts. I would rather be defended by my grandmother in court, and she thinks she's a horse. Really. They just gave Boies millions & a stake in the company - where the uckfa is he?

    And yes, I now this is not 100% on-topic. However I think the disappearance of a key figure is noteworthy (I would argue more so that SCO claiming ownership of IBMs work, as they are here).

  62. A rant of a Summary by twitter · · Score: 3, Interesting
    They claim the usual stupid stuff. Linus was not able to check that contributor's code did not come from SCO's non published code, and amature coders could not possibly write anything good enough for "the enterprise", therfore all of Linux came from SCO. Never mind that journaling file systems and multi processing were never found in SCO Unix, they were in AIX, you see. They even stole the file names from IBM's AIX, inode.h, the dirty dogs! How dare they steal header files if they did! I count tens of lines of missaproriated deffinitions in table A alone. The shamelessness is amazing! It's like they adopted AIX as a general operating system for a non-IBM company! Every Linux user must pay for their use of AIX and now, damn tit! Tables B, C, and D are even more scandalous, even including a dozzen lines of supposedly infringing source from a real sourc file or two instead of a simple header. Everywhere, the innovative adoption of commonly know software techniques is claimed as more evidence of the gravity of IBM's supposed infractions. The document proves, better than I can, how well free sofware works.

    Daryl you suck. Not one line of SCO code is held up in evidence. Everything comes from AIX and Sequent code, and there's not much of it either. It seems that SCO thinks they own AIX as well as Linux. The free software revolution of GNU, Linux and BSD was not a plot to keep SCO from being able to sell an operating system. Microsoft proves every day that you can sell inferior code to the ignorant so long as you market it and provide anything at all. SCO is dying because it has been taken over by a bunch of morons that and the fact that free software is much much better at doing the job.

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  63. Not an admission of guilt. A reduction of risk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I were the CEO of all Linux development, I would see two choices here once the allegedly offending lines of code are known.

    1. Leave the code as-is and litigation continues.
    2. A few routines are rewritten, tested, debugged, and optimized, and litigation ends or becomes insignificant.

    Option #2 is the obvious choice. The possible disadvantage is that this makes the community somewhat vulnerable to future potential litigants in that we would be presumed to go and rewrite 10,000 subroutines if they were alleged to infringe. But it doesn't make the community any more vulnerable to actual lawsuits because litigants pursue litigation if they are going to get something -- getting us to rewrite routines doesn't gain them anything.

    Since the amount of work looks small, I'd rewrite it all to reduce risk to GNU/Linux users.

  64. Interesting move by salesgeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    SCO's filing was 80% fluff and was filled with a lot of mistruth concerning the os marketplace. Looks like it comes down to one question: does SCO or IBM own JFS. The answer there is obvious. Regardless, SCOs bantering about wanting $600 per processor and the like are silly - most linux users don't use JFS anyway. At the end of the day we can expect more suits like this as Linux erodes the value of intellectual property. And it's important to remember that an idea is only valuable if it is a comparitively good idea... Had SCO continued to innovate, and adapt to the market there would be no reason to sue. Linux exists because Unix vendors screwed users for far too many years.

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  65. Re:What is "Dynix"? by ciggieposeur · · Score: 2, Informative

    Dynix was the Sequent version of Unix designed to run on their Hypercube systems. I believe this is the precursor to NUMA-Q.

  66. Good summary from a GrokLaw AC poster by leonbrooks · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Said AC wrote:
    These files and line numbers given are simply the files and lines which implement RCU, NUMA and JFS in Linux. All of them.

    Although this APPEARS to be specific. It is of course not any more specific than what SCO already has claimed; I.e. that "RCU, NUMA and JFS are infringing".

    SCO has yet to show how these infringe on SysV copyrights.


    However, they have thereby limited their current claims to these sections. And five beeeellion dollars.
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    1. Re:Good summary from a GrokLaw AC poster by wass · · Score: 4, Interesting
      However, they have thereby limited their current claims to these sections. And five beeeellion dollars.

      Okay, I'm too lazy here on saturday nite. Has anybody done the math to figure out how much the entire linux kernel would be worth in SCO's ridiculous view?

      They want $699 for these x number of lines of 'stolen' code. If linux kernel has y lines of code total, then the kernel should be worth (y/x)*699 dollars. What are x and y?

      Maybe we can use this to our advantage. For example, with MSFT, pay $300 for a kernel worth $300. With linux, pay nothing for a kernel worth $$$$$.

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    2. Re:Good summary from a GrokLaw AC poster by arkanes · · Score: 3, Interesting

      X is roughly 2000. Y is roughly 2,000,000. Therefore, the kernel is worth 699 * 1000 = roughly 700 thousand dollars.

    3. Re:Good summary from a GrokLaw AC poster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let me explain.

      SCO claims that the sysv license they inherited in their acquisition of novell's ip gives them right to all derived implementations, the way the GPL does. By extension, they claim a right to anything ibm ever implemented on top of the sysv code. And they claim ibm is in breach of contract by including sco's IP (the ibm developedn kernel stuff) in the linux kernel.

      This is wishful thinking. Obviously their license doesn't say this, and novell has already said sco didn't buy what they thought they were buying, so they don't even have the rights they claim they have. The sco honchos took a look at the GPL and went "why didn't we do that?", and now they're trying to retroactively fool a court into thinking their license allows them that kind of viral rights.

      It's not going to work. But they will make a lot more noise trying to get it to work.

    4. Re:Good summary from a GrokLaw AC poster by ArtDent · · Score: 4, Informative

      "SCO claims that the sysv license they inherited in their acquisition of novell's ip gives them right to all derived implementations, the way the GPL does."

      Bzzzt! Wrong. Try again.

      The GPL cannot, and does not claim to, give the author of an original work any rights over the original portions of a derived work.

      In this case, the original work is SysV, the derived work is AIX, and the original portions of the derived work are JFS, EVMS, etc. If SysV were licensed under the GPL, IBM would be required to also license AIX under the GPL. However, nothing would prevent IBM from taking JFS and EVMS code, and putting it into another piece of software with GPL-incompatible license.

    5. Re:Good summary from a GrokLaw AC poster by rveety · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Thats $700k per user, as per SCO. counter.li.org guesses there are 18 million Linux users, so the total value of the kernel is roughly $12,600,000,000,000. If Linus collected he could pay off the US national debt and live comfortably with $5 trillion left over!

    6. Re:Good summary from a GrokLaw AC poster by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You may be right, but I never take very seriously comments made by people who start their response with "Bzzzt! Wrong. Try again". It's insulting and stupid. It's as if you want to seem like the guy with all of the answers; obviously it's meant to evoke the image of you as the game show host who has all of the answers, and everyone else as morons who are just guessing. Which is simply inane.

      If you want to write a mature, intelligent response, drop the stupid "bzzzt" shit.

  67. son of a.... by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mc means son-of..

    He's a son of a.... alright!

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  68. Version 2.4.1-01 by akruppa · · Score: 4, Informative

    In case you were wondering what kernel version 2.4.1-01 is and why the files/line numbers shown in the complaint are not there/all bogus: apply the RCU patch found here, bottom of page, to kernel 2.4.1.

    Alex

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  69. a quick comparison. by joe_bruin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    i have no access to the aix or dynix code, but let's take a look at some of these lines. i don't have the ibm patches and am too lazy to download them, but they are all header files of things you would expect to be exactly the same (like inode structures and such). but looking at the code below (and others i didn't bother to paste), i am hardly impressed with sco's claims.

    sco claim:
    dynix kernel/os/kern_clock.c 2028-2059
    linux 2.4.1 arch/i386/kernel/apic.c 25-28, 662-664, 676-684

    25-28:

    #include <asm/smp.h>
    #include <asm/mtrr.h>
    #include <asm/mpspec.h>

    662-664:
    * useful with a profiling multiplier != 1
    */
    if (!user)

    676-684:
    prof_counter[cpu] = prof_multiplier[cpu];
    if (prof_counter[cpu] != prof_old_multiplier[cpu]) {
    __setup_APIC_LVTT(calibration_result/prof_counter[ cpu]);
    prof_old_multiplier[cpu] = prof_counter[cpu];
    }

    #ifdef CONFIG_SMP
    update_process_times(user);
    #endif

    1. Re:a quick comparison. by AhBeeDoi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Lines 662-664 seem especially damning. :^)

    2. Re:a quick comparison. by Eccles · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lines 662-664 seem especially damning. :^)

      I would expect that of line 666, myself...

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  70. Copyrights, derivative works and how it applies... by mybecq · · Score: 4, Informative
    Here is the crux of the (contract) case:
    [A] personal, nontransferable and nonexclusive right to use in the United States each Software Product identified in the one or more Supplements hereto, solely for Licensee's own internal business purposes and solely on or in conjunction with Designated CPUs for such Software Product. Such right to use includes the right to modify such Software Product and to prepare derivative works based on such Software product, provided the resulting materials are treated hereunder as part of the original Software Product.
    Copyright law states:
    The copyright in a compilation or derivative work extends only to the material contributed by the author of such work, as distinguished from the preexisting material employed in the work...
    Thus, IBM owns the copyrights to any files that it created. This is because each individual file that was written is considered a separate work (I believe).

    Furthermore, SCO has no copyrights to IBM's code (they only own copyright to their own code, that's why they can't force IBM to give it to them). Quoting copyright law:
    The copyright in such work is independent of, and does not affect or enlarge the scope, duration, ownership, or subsistence of, any copyright protection in the preexisting material.
    According to SCO:
    Such right to use includes the right to modify such Software Product and to prepare derivative works based on such Software product, provided the resulting materials are treated hereunder as part of the original Software Product.
    So perhaps it is possible that IBM violated the contract by not keeping any contributed source within the license scope, although did they not meet this condition by keeping the AIX derivative work to themselves? (The materials being the final derivative work that is AIX.) They are free to use their own copyrighted code wherever they please. Of course IANAL, so judge for yourself.
  71. Windows NT actually killed SCO by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I remember some 9 years back attending a Win NT Server Developer's conference in Seattle. I still have the Tshirt! At the time, SCO, Interactive or other x86 *nix options were around $500-$1000 a pop and a lot of people got sucked in to using NT on servers because it only cost about $300 a pop and was way easier to administer than SCO or Interactive.

    Blaming the demise of SCO on Linux is stupid. They were not moving forward. What really killed the horse drawn carriage was the motor vehicle changing the whole business. SCO blaming Linux for loss of biz is really having a big scratch through the garbage can. Linux is part of a *nix renesance that SCO is not contributing to, and IMHO, has no rights to.

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    1. Re:Windows NT actually killed SCO by AhBeeDoi · · Score: 2

      Wasn't SCO still a 16-bit OS at the time? Really, an OS put out by amateurs and hobbyists.

  72. Millions of lines to 456 by obsid1an · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So by my count, SCO's claimed has gone from millions of lines of code that Linux could absolutely not function without and would take years to replace to 456 lines of code? Are you kidding me? The $3 billion SCO is asking for over equates to over $6.5 million per line...

  73. That's an easy one by MOMOCROME · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is plain-as-day that IBM's adoption of Linux is yet another thrust/counter-thrust in the decades old struggle against Microsoft, especially now that they threaten the Enterprise market with increasingly robust NT 5.0 based system software (laugh if you want, but that's how you need to see it when painting the Big Picture).

    By pushing the free OS, Big Blue can use it to sell consultancy, support and best of all, the leases on their fantastically expensive hardware, while at the same time undermining win2k based systems and harnessing the power of volunteering and crazed idealogue hobbyist developers.

    It's a masterstroke strategy, where the payoffs easilly make up for the $Billion Dollar outlay and there are beau-coup bucks more to be saved by phasing out the proprietary UNIX development.

    1. Re:That's an easy one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a masterstroke strategy, where the payoffs easilly make up for the $Billion Dollar outlay and there are beau-coup bucks more to be saved by phasing out the proprietary UNIX development.

      And, due to the nature of open-source, if they try to do anything funky later, it's pretty easy for a competitor to arise and take their place.

      In short, it might just be enough to keep them honest.

    2. Re:That's an easy one by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I have to say... you're spot on with how I've seen the situation. I'd like to add a couple points.


      It is plain-as-day that IBM's adoption of Linux is yet another thrust/counter-thrust in the decades old struggle against Microsoft, especially now that they threaten the Enterprise market with increasingly robust NT 5.0 based system software (laugh if you want, but that's how you need to see it when painting the Big Picture).


      A big piece of this Microsoft threat is the hardware. Microsoft has linked their offering to commodity hardware. Over the years, this commodity platform has been increasing in performance - to the point that it arguably meets or beats the majority of specialized hardware being sold by proprietary Unix houses. When an IT manager looks at the initial expense of a Unix architecture to one based on Intel/Windows, they will figure a long-term if not immediate savings by converting.

      Now, I'm sure there could be a nice argument over TCO, price / performance, true performance, etc. However, from my observations, these arguments aren't getting to the right people. I've seen several Unix-based labs (and some server architecture) replaced by Windows systems based on cost of the hardware alone.

      Linux (and *BSD) competes directly against Windows. It does this by providing a way to leverage Window's biggest edge against the Unix market - commidity hardware. Without going to Windows. I've seen one place migrate from a Sun lab to a Linux one when the origional plan had been WinNT/2K.


      By pushing the free OS, Big Blue can use it to sell consultancy, support and best of all, the leases on their fantastically expensive hardware, while at the same time undermining win2k based systems and harnessing the power of volunteering and crazed idealogue hobbyist developers.


      IBM realized years ago that one of its major business areas (and profit generators) was service. Everything else, to include hardware sales and leases, was to one extent or another a chance to sell a service.


      It's a masterstroke strategy, where the payoffs easilly make up for the $Billion Dollar outlay and there are beau-coup bucks more to be saved by phasing out the proprietary UNIX development.


      If IBM makes its money from pushing hardware and selling service, why bother with producing an OS? It's a revenue sink. Leverage what else is out there.

      But before we get too carried up with harnessing the power of idealogues, keep in mind that IBM is also contributing to Linux. Sure - it may be less than the whole. But then, that's the idea.
  74. Re:It is still full of false and fraudulent clames by starling · · Score: 3, Informative

    And quite apart from that, IBM *made* x86 processors. Remember the "Blue Lightning"?

  75. Re:Spoken like a troll. by GizmoToy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, it cannot. You are by no means required to leave yourself in a potentially compromising position in order to bolster your defense.

    In other words, changing the code in question is not an admission of guilt.

  76. You sir, are correct. by benjamindees · · Score: 4, Informative

    In fact, anyone worried about SCO's claims on Linux would merely be acting in "good faith" by removing allegedly infringing lines from the kernel. Courts assume that anyone acting to mitigate damages (whether real or imagined) is acting in good faith and scores bonus points.

    Parties (including plaintiffs) that do not try to mitigate damages are generally held in disdain. Just remember: the judicial system is lazy and doesn't *really* want to hear your case. They want you to work it out. If you can't work it out, they are even too lazy to determine fault and usually just split the difference ('equity' law).

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  77. Re:Why useless PDf files? by Nurseman · · Score: 5, Informative
    Why put this in useless PDF files, instead of standard HTML or text files?

    Head on over to GrokLaw

    They are converting all the documents to HTML and searchable text as we speak.

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  78. Visions of Jury Selection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    SCO Lawyer: "Hello, what is your experience with computers, sir?"

    Prospective Juror: "Well, I have a masters in Computer Engineering..."

    SCO Lawyer: "...Sorry, sir, thankyou for your time. Goodbuy."

    SCO Lawyer: "Hello, what is your experience with computers, maam?"

    Prospective Juror: "Well, I am in charge of keeping the office server running..."

    SCO Lawyer: "...Sorry, maam, thankyou for your time. Goodbuy."

    SCO Lawyer: "Hello, what is your experience with computers, maam?"

    Prospective Juror: "Well, I use one to create reports..."

    SCO Lawyer: "...Sorry, maam, thankyou for your time. Goodbuy."

    SCO Lawyer: "Hello, what is your experience with computers, sir?"

    Prospective Juror: "Camputersh? Oh, you mean the Gateway? I guess their ok. That Mine Sweeper game sure is fun!"

    SCO Lawyer: "Thankyou sir, one more question: What is your experience with the web?"

    Prospective Juror: "Wha... Oh, you mean Internet Explorer (TM)? Don't use it much 'cause I got AOL (TM). I guess it's ok. I got this eeh-mail from this nice Nigerian man the other day..."

    SCO Lawyer: "*DING*DING*DING* We have a winner!"

    1. Re:Visions of Jury Selection by FredGray · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interesting...I was on a jury last week in a simple case (two day trial) involving back injuries following a car accident. One of the qualifying questions was "Do any among you not drive a motor vehicle?" and someone in the jury pool was indeed "thanked and excused" on that basis. I would imagine that they would be looking for people with ordinary familiarity with computers, but not special familiarity.

  79. Jeez some of my code might infringe... by borgheron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Two lines here, five lines there.... at this rate SCO/Caldera could claim that any software anywhere is "derived from UNIX" if this is the basis of their claims.

    I'm relieved that they finally relented and showed the code, now the process can begin either way.

    Without seeing Dynix's or AIX's code base you can't be sure if they mean that the code has similar function or is an exact copy since in some cases they map 1 line of Dynix code to 5 or more Linux lines of code.

    As an experienced professional, I'm sure anyone can agree that similar function sometimes dictates similar structure in the code.

    This just shows how desperate they really were at the outset.

    GJC

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  80. You mean a Forbes "reporter" (e.g. Daniel Lyons) by Xenographic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You say that in jest, but Daniel Lyons of Forbes has been known to quote random people from blogs as sources for his stories.

    Honestly, were I his editor, I would have fired him after that. Investigative journalism it was not. This gives me very serious misgivings about trusting anything Forbes says, because I cannot imagine how that story could have slipped past even the most minimal editorial review...

    It seemed rather apropos, yet disturbing, that that article was meant to be an attack on the credibility of Groklaw, after PJ of Groklaw chided him for accepting SCO's statements without any apparent research, as he had not done even the most minimal fact-checking.

    I would be willing to bet that he is glad that I am not his boss... To anyone from Forbes reading this: I value research more than oppinion. And yes, I do mention your failures to anyone I know who might even think of subscribing.

    Worst reporter ever. (Maybe seeing his face on Google image search for that would make his day?)

  81. False claims to prop up stock price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is SCO guilty of knowingly makinging false claims (ie. that they were being violated by IBM) in order to prop up their stock price?

    Martha Stewart's case is based exactly on this (that she made false claims that she didn't engage in insider trading so that her own company's stock, Martha Stewart, wouldn't go down).

    1. Re:False claims to prop up stock price? by Maserati · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's why they retained David Boies. Not for the IBM suit, for the criminal and civil cases coming from the SEC and the stockholders. His specialty isn't IP law, it's securities fraud.

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  82. Trigraphs by Speare · · Score: 2, Informative

    # replace } with ??> which is the ansi c trigraph equivalent
    find /usr/src/kernel -type f -exec perl -p -i~ -e 's.}.??>.g' {} \;

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    [ .sig file not found ]
  83. It's a tactic to get more discovery by phr1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The SCO filing says something like "here's these couple dozen short patches of directly copied code, and discovery on IBM's AIX codebase will show millions more". This filing isn't trying to prove there's enough infringement that damages can be collected. All it's trying to show is that there's the faintest glimmer of evidence that even the slightest infringement occurred, in order to get further discovery and delay the case some more. IOW it's yet another attempt to circumvent the judge's order to show with specificity where all the infringement is.

  84. POSIX from IEEE by monosqldan · · Score: 4, Informative

    SCO can not claim POSIX because IEEE came up with it

  85. Re:It is still full of false and fraudulent clames by Dammital · · Score: 2, Informative
    IBM had little or no expertise on Intel processors
    And before the IBM PC there were the IBM Displaywriter (8086, June 1980) and System/23 Datamaster (8085, July 1981).

    Somebody should tell Darl about Google.

  86. Mostly in SCO-distributed 2.4.13 kernel by billstewart · · Score: 2, Interesting

    SCO's ftp site was distributing 2.4.13, last time I checked - and the allegedly infringing code is in
    2.2.12, 2.4.1-01, and "2.4.x". So the
    2.2.12 and 2.4.1-01 sections are covered by the GPL because they distributed it that way, and "2.4.x" might be, depending on which values of X are 13.

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  87. You're wrong. (IAAL - I am a lawyer) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wow, its amazing to see what total crap people can spout off and get modded up

    If you are trying to argue to a judge that your code does not contain any stolen code, then SCO points out the alleged lines of stolen code and then as a result, you go changing it, you will have some serious explaining to do to the judge.

    I don't mean to be arrogant here, but I'm a lawyer and you do not appear to be, so please don't go around giving legal advice to people who might think its correct.

    1. Re:You're wrong. (IAAL - I am a lawyer) by VivianC · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let me guess, your are one of SCO's lawyers, right?

      If you are trying to argue to a judge that your code does not contain any stolen code, then SCO points out the alleged lines of stolen code and then as a result, you go changing it, you will have some serious explaining to do to the judge.

      The case here is that IBM allegedly contributed code to Linux that was tainted by SCO's IP. Linux included the code in good faith. The code is now in dispute. Linux now removes the questionable code until the litigants can sort our the issues. There is no LEGAL harm to Linux. Simply put, they are not a party to this case. It is a contract dispute between IBM and SCO. Linux is a third party that is not directly involved in this case. Everything SCO says about Linux is in the press room and not the court room.

      Furthermore, if Linux were the defendant and they decided to remove the code until the issue was settled, this would be acting in good faith. I can find no section in copyright law that states that if your are accused of infringing copyright, you must continue to infringe until it is proven in court that you are infringing. If you can quote code in this matter, please correct me.

      I am not a lawyer, but I have studied law during my masters program.

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  88. Darl, you are liable! by tetrahedrassface · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Okay as I sit here and contemplate the effects of this development an urge to tell you all about my experience with the penguin develops.

    At first it was innocent enough. I had heard the rumors and decided to try out Linux. This was during the heady, economically rewarding period of the mid 1990's. I has heard all the rumors. You know like "you invite the penguins over and they never leave." That kind of thing, but I thought I knew it all. I thought I was a big shot. With smug self-assuredness I turned the penguins loose. I set them free. My mighty Celeron screamed in anticipation of processor cycle efficiency and its dreams of speed increases were not denied. I became one with the Penguista and was instantly and effectively addicted. I tried to statisfy my addiction with new kernels. Upgrades. New flavours. Soon work suffered as did my sex life. Like an adle-brained heroine junkie my minds pleasure receptors were spoiled by the taste of the true good stuff. No longer satisfied by binaries and closed source I became a slave of the very thing that set me free. Lately insolent, addicited and enslaved, I realize that I am a shell of the man I once was. I have lost my freedom. The Penguista have commandeered my fate. Darl. Simply so you will understand. I want my soul back. I want my freedom back Darl. Darl, the Unix doesnt like you and the Penguista frankly think you are undeserving their respect. I need help Darl. I need help now Darl. Darl, for once do some good and plead with Penguista for mercy. They can offer judicialjurisprudence in certain situations as I am sure you know. But i will say one thing Mr. McBride, if you win and get your billions I am gonna sue you for the damages Linux has casued me!

  89. Re:So much for C by Bastian · · Score: 2, Funny

    (I guess
    (everybody
    (has to) (switch to)
    LISP))

  90. Re:How quickly code is replaced will deflate the c by leabre · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Any code can be replaced.

    If MS opened up its source to their kernel and fiel system, and user32 and such, I'll be you, if enough people wanted to implement it differently, it wouldn't take but a week to completely replace all that code, also (supposing enough people were involved that are involved in the Linux kernel development process).

    How then is the MS code valuable?

    You see, even DirectX, OpenGL, Crystal Space, PostGRE SQL, or OpenOffice can be re-written from scratch or from within if all we are doing is changing specific code for a specific reason.

    The point is that all code *is* valuable to its owner. Even everything that Linus wrote can be replaced in a week if it was necessary. Does that make their code non-valuable? Nope.

    It just means that once that cat is out of the bag and something needs to be changed, there are enough people that can do so. Whether the code is important or not. But it doesn't prove that the code isn't valuable just because of that. It just proves that someone else knows how to write that piece of code differently and quickly, even if they have never done so before.

    Not trolling. Just playing devils advocate.

    Thanks,
    Me.

  91. Re:heh. Check out #87 by Whyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its also a false predication in that IBM is supposedly responsible for making Linux free. Because it couldn't be possible that IBM recognized a "successful" development community and positioned itself to gain financially by becoming an early adopter. Of course it's only slightly more amusing that SCO themselves tried to capitalize on "free" software... but failed.

    The entire court filing is full of this type of crap.

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  92. Re:Copyrights, derivative works and how it applies by michael_cain · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So perhaps it is possible that IBM violated the contract by not keeping any contributed source within the license scope, although did they not meet this condition by keeping the AIX derivative work to themselves? (The materials being the final derivative work that is AIX.) They are free to use their own copyrighted code wherever they please. Of course IANAL, so judge for yourself.

    No, they are free to use their own copyrighted code wherever they please, subject to the terms of a contract that they signed prior to writing that code in which they agreed to limitations on those uses. The contract appears to allow them to use the code in binary form in any of their own products. But it also says that they can't reveal the methods (eg, source code) without AT&T's (now SCO's) permission. There's an addendum to the contract that appears to provide them with a way out of that part of the agreement. One interesting part of the case will be those bits that came from Dynix; they were developed under a contract like the one IBM signed, but without the addendum; when IBM bought those bits, they probably can't bring them under the IBM addendum.

    IBM really needs to have this case play out all the way, in order to establish once and for all what portions of their work the contract applies to. SCO's betting a real long shot here, and there's no way IBM can be found liable for $5B in damages to SCO, but it needs to get settled.

  93. Wrong version of the file by devinoni · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't actually what they are claiming to be infringing. Because they are claiming the infringement is 2.4.1-01, this is in reference to the RCU patch against 2.4.1. Available here http://lse.sourceforge.net/locking/rcu/patches/rcl ock-2.4.1-01.patch

    diff -u --recursive --new-file 2.4.1/arch/i386/kernel/apic.c v2.4.1-rc/arch/i386/kernel/apic.c
    --- 2.4.1/arch/i386/kernel/apic.c Wed Dec 6 02:13:48 2000
    +++ v2.4.1-rc/arch/i386/kernel/apic.c Tue Feb 20 16:46:33 2001
    @@ -22,6 +22,11 @@
    #include <linux/interrupt.h>
    #include <linux/mc146818rtc.h>
    #include <linux/kernel_stat.h>
    +#ifdef CONFIG_RCLOCK
    +#include <linux/sched.h>
    +#include <linux/rclock.h>
    +#endif
    +

    #include <asm/smp.h>
    #include <asm/mtrr.h>
    @@ -654,6 +659,10 @@
    {
    int user = user_mode(regs);
    int cpu = smp_processor_id();
    +#ifdef CONFIG_RCLOCK
    + int cpunum = cpu_number_map(cpu);
    +#endif
    +

    /*
    * The profiling function is SMP safe. (nothing can mess
    @@ -663,6 +672,17 @@
    */
    if (!user)
    x86_do_profile(regs->eip);
    +
    +#ifdef CONFIG_RCLOCK
    + if (((RC_PLOCAL_rclockcurlist(cpunum) != NULL) &&
    + RC_GEN_LT(RC_PLOCAL_rclockgen(cpunum), rc_ctrlblk.curgen)) ||
    + (RC_PLOCAL_rclockcurlist(cpunum) == NULL &&
    + RC_PLOCAL_rclocknxtlist(cpunum) != NULL) ||
    + test_bit(cpunum, &rc_ctrlblk.needctxtmask) ||
    + ((jiffies - rc_ctrlblk.clock) > RCLOCK_STALL_WARN))
    + rc_chk_callbacks(user || (current == init_tasks[cpunum]));
    +#endif
    +

    if (--prof_counter[cpu] <= 0) {
    /*

  94. Lyon's prediction by scoove · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't forget Daniel Lyons' (Forbes Magazine) big bold prediction (from here):

    SCO Group will settle its lawsuit against IBM. Both sides will declare victory. The Linux community will turn on IBM.

    The only surprise here is that someone (Forbes) pays Dan to write this stuff (apparently the New York Times's fantasy journalism team was all filled up). Dan goes on to point out that Linux and VoIP technologies are no different than Pets.com and other marketing fluff:

    technologies like Linux and voiceover-IP still involves this crazy notion that companies can make money by giving things away.

    This is like Dan calling electricity a "crazy notion" because he listened to some fly-by-night business scheme involving electrical current. Looks like Forbes is got some fat to trim.

    *scoove*

  95. Cooties! by jms · · Score: 5, Funny

    In order to understand SCOs theories, one must first understand the theory of cooties. Cooties are invisible ickies that can be transmitted, usually by touch, but often by mere association.

    Under the Cootie theory of copyright and trade secret law, Linux looks like Unix, so now Linux has cooties. IBM touched Unix, thus giving cooties to AIX. JFS acquired cooties when it was ported to AIX, even though JFS didn't have cooties when it was originally developed. Thus, Linux has cooties because it has AIX's cooties which AIX got from staring cross-eyed at Unix. Linux has the same header lines as Unix, therefore Linux has Unix cooties. In conclusion, anyone touching Linux will get cooties and owe a cootie tax to SCO, which will soon have more money than Scrooge McDuck.

    For more information, see "Everything I needed to know about intellectual property law I learned on the elementary school playground.", by Darl McBride.

  96. One lawyers perspective by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lewis A. Mettler, Esq. sums up SCO's legal adventure as:

    This crap borders on legal malpractice. It is certainly bad practice.

    Well put I would say, who says lawyers are obtuse.

  97. Re:How quickly code is replaced will deflate the c by arkanes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One of the guidelines when determining copyright infringment is how essential the copied works are to the alleged infringing work - if it's a minor detail, for example, and can be removed without changing the nature of the work or (in the case of software) without unduly affecting the operation then it's much harder to claim any sort of damages or compensation for the infringment, and much easier to make a claim of fair use. The speed and ease with which the code could be replaced might very well influence the judges opinion - note that SCO attempted to address this when it listed the files, saying that the code couldn't be easily removed or altered even though the actual number of lines was small (less than 1% of the kernel even by a very generous estimate).

  98. Re:JFS. by Curtman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hold the phone there AC..

    Same goes for all other offending bits

    Nobody has shown any offending bits yet. And for all you know, the JFS in Linux is a clean room implementation. Most importantly though, we don't know for sure that it has to be.

  99. My Favorite Quote... by Amigori · · Score: 2, Interesting
    So I just finished skimming the legal brief, and this is one of the most interesting bits of legal pleading that I've seen in a long while...

    IBM has engaged in a course of conduct that is intentionally and foreseeably calculated to undermine and/or destroy the economic value of UNIX anywhere and everywhere in the world, and to undermine and/or destroy the plantiff's rights to fully exploit and benefit from its ownership rights in and to UNIX System V... and their derivatives directly for its own benefit and indirectly for the benefit of its Linux distribution partners."

    So Darl, worried that IBM is going to put you out of business? I have news for you. The jounaling file system was developed at IBM, for IBM, for use in IBM products. I think you're still pissed off that IBM decided not to finish work on the Monteray project. They felt it would flop in the marketplace, which Itanium has, and decided to pursue more profitable interests that did not include you or your company. I wonder if you have/will go after SGI because they also have a type of journaling file system available on the x86 platform. What about Be, Inc.? Even though they're already a dead company, many of those guys were Unix guys and developed a JFS for both PPC and x86.

    One of the main goals in business, even if its not always thought of initially, is to put the competition, you, out of business while trying to make a profit. (And there are far too many example to list.) In case you haven't noticed, business models are subject to change by these things called market forces. You must have fallen asleep that day in Marketing 101 and/or Economics 101. There are only two things in the US that are certain, and this sounds so cliche, death and taxes, but its true. Its unfortunate that under your leadership, your company has become a legal firm and not a computer company. I would wish you luck, but you are a great example of many wrongs in this world. So I hope your company goes belly up, then the Wall Street hounds are released upon you.

    Amigori

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  100. Doing it with our proprietary code, so we are fine by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 2, Interesting


    When we put source code into the Open Source community, the code we are putting in there, we have clearly patent clearence for in the sense we know what we put out in the Open Source community so we don't claim own patents on anyway. Our patents clearence process makes sure we are not infringing the patents of anybody else. We are doing it with our proprietary code, so we are fine.

    What is wrong about this distribution, is basically the millions of lines of code that we never have seen. We don't know if there are any patent infringments [in this code] with somebody we don't know. We don't want to take the risk of being sued for a patent infringement. That is why we don't do distributions, and that's why we have distributors. Because distributors are not so much exposed [to being sued] as we are. So that's the basic deal as I understand it.

    Karl-Heinz Strassemeyer, IBM



    Excerpt from an interview by SSLUG, Denmark

  101. Son of the Saint by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 3, Insightful
    He's son of Bride, not son of bride. Bride (Brid, Bridget, Brighitte and so on) is the name of pagan Celtic Goddess that became a Christian saint. See here the prayer song to St.Bride.

    Comments: _A Stor 's a Storin_ says "A spring song in praise of St.
    Bridget, one of Ireland's national saints. To the ancient Celts spring
    began on February 1st - St. Bridget's Day. That day was named Imbolc."
    This is a great song! It has a beautiful melody, and the words are
    simple enough that a learner should be able to understand them easily.

    BTW. I am not Celt, I am Russian. But there are a lot of colorful Gaelic curses - and I wonder that nobody addresses them to Mr. McBride.
  102. Re:According to Judge Wells by Curtman · · Score: 2, Funny

    "We're at an impasse and we can't be at an impasse and have this case remain at a standstill,"

    I laughed a little when I read that the first time on Groklaw. Seems to me, if you're at an impasse, then you are at a standstill.

    Not only can it happen, but that's what will happen.

  103. McBride means "Son of Bridget" by farrellj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because McBride is a bad Anglicization of the Gaelic Bridget...another example, my last name in Gaelic is McSamhain...and how they got McGovern (and McGowan, and McGauron, etc.) out of that one Gaelic last name is a wonder to me... Maybe when I learn Gaelic I will have an idea about this...

    ttyl
    Farrell

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  104. Am I reading this right? by demon · · Score: 2, Informative

    After perusing the PDF and looking at their quoted examples of infringement, I noticed something. Practically everything they quote is part of some outside patch, which isn't in the mainline kernel at all. It really seems like they're reaching, if their "examples" are legitimate at all. Even that remains to be seen. I'll be watching intently - hopefully either PJ from Groklaw, or Bruce Perens, or someone will have a good analysis soon of the claimed infringement.

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  105. My favorite argument is... by Photo_Nut · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Under the section, "The Functional Limitations of Linux Before IBM's Involvement" (emphasis added):
    80. The first versions of Linux evolved through bits and pieces of various contributions by numerous software developers using single or dual processor computers. Unlike IBM, virtually none of these software developers and hobbyists had access to enterprise-scale equipment and testing facilities for Linux development. Without access to such equipment, facilities and knowledge of sophisticated development methods learned in many years of UNIX development it would be difficult, if not impossible, for the Linux development community to create a grade of Linux adequate for enterprise use.
    Hmm... Well, let's see for a moment. None of these hobbyists had access to enterprise-scale equipment. I don't know about you, but I don't consider Linus Torvalds a "hobbyist". I consider him and all the people who wrote Linux with him to be developers.

    Regardless of wether or not they develop for fun or profit (or both), it doesn't mean that they don't have access to enterprise-scale equipment and testing facilities. Moreover, the millions of people who use Linux daily make for far better Quality Assurance teams than most commercial QA houses. And IBM didn't need to bring their people into the mix to jumpstart the industry. RedHat (a company with no exposure to proprietary SYS V UNIX code) had already started doing that.

    If you consider how many people worked on Linux as a software development team, you have the worlds largest development team. If SCO is trying to make the claim that the world's largest development team can't produce enterprise quality code, then why was SCO selling it as enterprise quality code before they discovered that IBM had added features that IBM had given to AIX?

    1. Re:My favorite argument is... by demon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also, Caldera (before morphing into the SCO Group) provided higher-end x86 hardware (especially multiprocessor systems) for Linux developers to test the kernel on, for SMP development. So how they can claim Linux developers didn't have access to that kind of hardware is ludicrous, considering they provided the hardware for testing. Ah, more examples of their crack(-smoking) legal team at work...

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  106. They'd tax your very breath if they could by leonbrooks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    D'ohl wants to bottle and sell Linux the same way others bottle and sell water. What he hasn't figured out is that people buy the bottled water because they perceive it as being better than water falling out of the sky or pumped out of the ground for fifty cents a kilolitre. D'ohl forgot to add any value to his bottling process, so now he wants to fix that by forcing the world to buy either his bottles or someone else's.

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  107. Not quite! by wonkamaster · · Score: 2, Informative
    SCO contends that because IBM violated its contract that Linux is a derivative of System V, so the IP violation claims are still present. From section Nature of this action, bullet item 4:

    ... As a result of IBM's wholesale disregard of its contractual and legal obligations to SCO, Linux 2.4.x and 2.6.x and the development Linux kernel, 2.5.x, are replete with protected technology. As such, the Linux 2.4.x and Linux 2.5.x and 2.6.x kernels are unauthorized derivatives of UNIX System V.
  108. A poor complaint, at best by GreatBallsOfFire · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Let me start out by saying that I am not a lawyer, so everything stated here is my opinion only. Seek legal counsel before acting on anything expressed in the following. Besides, you'd be a darn fool taking legal advice from comments on a web page.

    There are simple inaccuracies throughout the entire document:
    1. SCO initially was a distributor of Xenix, an early port of UNIX to Intel 8086, 80286 and 80386 processors, among others, i.e. Motorola 68000 series, developed by Microsoft. While they paint a picture that they, SCO, were the initiators of such action resulting from recognition of a marketplace, it was Microsoft who recognized the need for an business class operating system and developed it, not SCO. Therefore, paragraphs 35 through 39 are fabricated misrepresentations meant to color the opinion of the reader. What they are is an obvious attempt at supporting the prerequisite victim position for SCO.
    2. SCO paints Linux as a predatory action taken by Linus Torvalds against Unix. Paragraphs 75 and 78 depict Linux as a vehicle for a hidden agenda by stating that "Linux is not just a "clone," but is intended as a successor to UNIX System V." Furthermore, in support of this, Linus shows his hidden agenda through "a significant flaw of Linux " because of "the inability and/or unwillingness of the Linux process manager, Linus Torvalds, to identify the intellectual property origins of contributed source code that comes in from those many different software developers."
      There are two things very wrong with the above. First, SCO implied that Linux is a clone of UNIX, and totally ignored the publicly, and widely known fact that Linus started his work from Minix, another UNIX like operating system developed independent of the AT&T UNIX code base. Second, the use of the phrasing "inability and/or unwillingness" are inflammatory, meant to convey an inept, and possibly hostile, Linus Torvalds image to the reader, to support the claimed predatory action.
    3. Paragraphs 80 through 83, inclusive, lay claims that Linux was immature, but that it was impossible to create a work alike operating system without the help of IBM, who had access to the source code. Again, this ignores the existence of other operating systems such as Minix, which is a "clone" but has no roots whatsoever in AT&T code, and commercial operating systems such as Whitesmith's Idris, an early UNIX clone.
      Furthermore, they claim that hobbyists could not make Linux into an enterprise operating system without IBM because the hobbyists lacked the hardware necessary to do so. This completely ignores the early involvement of Digital Equipment Corporation who donated workstation and server equipment to Linus Torvalds in order to help grow Linux.
    4. They claim in paragraph 84 that IBM schemed to unfairly dominate the market by using Linux. This completely ignores the fact that every other major vendor, SCO and Caldera included, were also attempting to gain market share and momentum by jumping on the Linux bandwagon concurrently with IBM. In fact, it would have been unfair if IBM had used a common Linux mechanism where proprietary code is sometimes released, i.e., the kernel module, to release their enhancements instead of donating it to the open source community where all IBM competitors, including SCO and Caldera, had access to it. This unfair, dark attempt at world domination claim continues in paragraphs 84 through 98, which can only be characterized as a rant.
    5. Interestingly enough, while SCO makes widespread claims, there are only a small handful of files, ten by my count, that contain lines of code that SCO claims copyright infringement. Most of these files are header files, that do not contain actual code but merely definitions of constants and data structures. Clearly this is not enough to support their claims of breach of contract through inappropriate redistribution of intellectual property, and certainly not enough for copyright infringement.
    6. The actions claimed in th
  109. Re:It is still full of false and fraudulent clames by j7953 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    And quite apart from that, IBM *made* x86 processors.

    Yes, but they didn't make "Intel" processors. Obviously, that is by definition something that only Intel can do. Noticed how in the court filing wherever SCO means "x86" they wrote "Intel" instead?

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