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Windows 2000 & Windows NT 4 Source Code Leaks

PeterHammer writes "Neowin.net is reporting that Windows 2000 and Windows NT source code has been leaked to the internet. More on this as we hear it."

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  1. it's true by sperling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A quick peek around indeed shows something named Windows.Source.Code.w2k.nt4.wxp.tar circulating, but this had to happen sooner or later, considering the number of institutions with access to the source. Wonder how long it'll take before a torrent of new worms using newly discovered security holes tear up the net.

    I for one would love to peek around in this, more out of curiosity than any desire to actually do something useful with it.

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    1. Re:it's true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wonder how long till hackers go in and fix some of the bugs. That's the real danger to microsoft, if the bugs were fixed people wouldn't have to upgrade.

    2. Re:it's true by Strudelkugel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Seems a bit of a stretch to thing 'soft would have given all of these organizations the complete source tree. If they did, then I am far more amazed the source wasn't leaked a long time ago. It's a bit hard to believe 'soft licensed the entire build tree to anyone.

      Makes a pretty good headline, though.

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    3. Re:it's true by MenTaLguY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I for one would love to peek around in this, more out of curiosity than any desire to actually do something useful with it.


      I hope you weren't planning on ever contributing to any Open Source projects after doing that. If it's later demonstrated that you had access to the W2K source and contributed vaguely similar code (even by accident) to a project, it could have severe repercussions for that project.


      I doubt Microsoft would leak it deliberately, but this does open the door to a whole SCO-esque can of worms from now on.

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    4. Re:it's true by Marillion · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Sure the source code will make it easier to find exploits, but I've believed for a few years that "institutional hackers" those who have long ago reversed compiled Windows into something suitable for writting worms. How else does the Code Red author decide, "Hey! I found this buffer overflow routine in the unicode support for URLs in the IIS Indexing Server"?

      There are probably paranoid governments who have teams who do this just this kind of work just to make sure those fabled NSA back doors in either are or aren't windows.

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    5. Re:it's true by uradu · · Score: 5, Funny

      > I for one would love to peek around in this, more out of curiosity

      Morbid curiosity perhaps. Considering the amount of backward compatibility in there, and the generations of tools and code frameworks used over the past decade and longer, I would expect the Windows code to be a BLOODY MESS. In fact it would probably be amusing to just grep for comments--"what does the next line do?!" or "what the h3ll were we thinking?!"

    6. Re:it's true by sperling · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And that's exactly why I won't even consider downloading this. I make a living as a programmer, and if I have access to this source Microsoft, with the resources they posess, could make the rest of my professional life a nightmare.
      As much as I'd love to peek around in this, I won't risk it.

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    7. Re:it's true by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm a little curious as to why you seem so uncomfortable saying "Micro". Actually, scratch that. I don't want to know.

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    8. Re:it's true by El · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, if any Micro$oft employees have ever looked at Linux kernel source, they are no longer allowed to work on Windows 'cause now they are tainted? Either the sword cuts both ways, or not at all.

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    9. Re:it's true by weileong · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Either the sword cuts both ways

      You're assuming the law will be applied fairly and evenly.

    10. Re:it's true by LinuxGeek · · Score: 5, Interesting
      So, if any Micro$oft employees have ever looked at Linux kernel source, they are no longer allowed to work on Windows 'cause now they are tainted? Either the sword cuts both ways, or not at all.

      In Microsoft's closed source world it would have been tough to know if someone had included code that was similar to something they had seen in the Linux ( or any other opensource) codetree. It will be interesting, if this windows code release (escape?) proves true, if any suspicious code is found.
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    11. Re:it's true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And that, more than anything else, is why this code leak helps the black hats far more than the white hats.

    12. Re:it's true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It was a quiet nice evening couple years ago. Someone pointed me on IRC to 2 links on some unnamed (I won't tell) microsoft.com server. 2 huge .tar.gzs, totalling couple gigabytes. The Windows XP source code.

      The links circulated very fast and the servers started slowing and slowing down and then they died. The first ones did manage to get all the stuff. I envied them because I managed to get only couple megabytes. :-(

      It seemed real. Very real. Someone had broken into their development servers, stuffed the stuff to the web servers and escaped with it all.

      There was some small mention about it on the Slashdot too but I couldn't find it right now. It seems the Microsoft was able to really sweep that one under the carpet. I wonder how.

      There are people around with self compiled Windows XP copies, trust me. I envy them. I would gladly remove some features and tweak couple edges I am not now allowed to. Even though it would be a HUGE task.

      So the now leaked source codes to NT/2k are mostly just boring and obsolete.

    13. Re:it's true by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 5, Funny

      What the hell, it's just one big .vbs file!

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    14. Re:it's true by alienw · · Score: 5, Funny

      Here's my favorite. BY FAR. Who the fuck accepted this into the kernel?

      [from drivers/usb/spca50x.c, a usb camera driver]

      /*
      * Function compares two strings.
      * Return offset in pussy where prick ends if "prick" may penetrate
      * int "pussy" like prick into pussy, -1 otherwise.
      */
      static inline int match(const char* prick, const char* pussy, int len2)
      {
      int len1 = strlen(prick); //length of male string
      int i; //just an index variable
      const char* tmp; //temporary pointer for my own pleasure // We skip all spaces and tabs
      for (i = 0; i len2)
      return -1; //Fuck off, no fucking

      if (!strncmp(prick, tmp, len1))
      return i + len1;

      return -1;
      }


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    15. Re:it's true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Try this torrent

      Rakshasa

    16. Re:it's true by tjw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Looking at the file listing linked to in other slashdot comments, it looks pretty likely that suspicious code exists:

      114 07-26-00 02:17 win2k/private/inet/urlmon/compress/gnumakefile
      0 11-18-01 14:24 win2k/private/inet/urlmon/compress/gzip/
      3627 07-26-00 02:17 win2k/private/inet/urlmon/compress/gzip/api.c
      1978 07-26-00 02:17 win2k/private/inet/urlmon/compress/gzip/api_int.h
      639 07-26-00 02:17 win2k/private/inet/urlmon/compress/gzip/common.h
      1838 07-26-00 02:17 win2k/private/inet/urlmon/compress/gzip/comndata.h
      871 07-26-00 02:17 win2k/private/inet/urlmon/compress/gzip/comninit.c
      3927 07-26-00 02:17 win2k/private/inet/urlmon/compress/gzip/crc32.h

      Last time I checked gzip was licensed under the GPL. Although, it could be a totally re-written version of gzip or something else named gzip I guess.

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    17. Re:it's true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It was a quiet nice evening couple years ago walking around Washington. Someone pointed me to an open door at the white house. 2 telephones sitting side by side. One direct to Moscow, the other direct to central nuclear command.

      People were milling about in the room, I finally took the dive and made a couple of prank calls for pizza. Some other guys managed to get the US up to def con 4. I envied them because I managed to get only arrested. :-(

      It seemed real. Very real. Someone had broken into the potting shed, stuffed a key to the nuke room under a bush and escaped with it.

      There was some small mention about it on the Drudge too but I couldn't find it right now. It seems the government was able to really sweep that one under the carpet. I wonder how.

      There are people around with the phone number still, trust me. I envy them. I would gladly make the call to nuke France. Even though it would be a HUGE task.

      So the now Brittany Spear's leaked cell number is mostly just boring and obsolete.

    18. Re:it's true by rixstep · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Moving from cathedral to bazaar isn't easy. This stuff has been closed all along, and although people have been able to sense what moronic code the Beast has produced, it will be first now that they'll see with their own eyes.

      Linux has had the advantage of being checked, line for line, from the beginning. NT was an estimate 16 million lines of code; 2K three times that much. That's a lot of code.

      I think what people will see, most for the first time, is exactly how bad the coding is in Redmond. This will cause some laughter, and some shock. I think they'll find that parts of the NT kernel were strangely well-written, coming as they did from David Cutler's 'tribe' and the DEC Prism project on which NT was based. On the other hand, I think they will find that other parts, such as the GDI, were horribly written.

      And it's all good, IMHO: eEye and Guninski and others have been able to give us a bit of a picture of how bad things are there, but we'll finally be able to see with our own eyes.

      It won't be a pleasurable experience.

    19. Re:it's true by mmp · · Score: 5, Informative

      You remember incorrectly. That looks like zlib (which gzip is based on). zlib's license is very flexible:

      http://www.gzip.org/zlib/zlib_license.html

      /* zlib.h -- interface of the 'zlib' general purpose compression library
      version 1.2.1, November 17th, 2003

      Copyright (C) 1995-2003 Jean-loup Gailly and Mark Adler

      This software is provided 'as-is', without any express or implied
      warranty. In no event will the authors be held liable for any damages
      arising from the use of this software.

      Permission is granted to anyone to use this software for any purpose,
      including commercial applications, and to alter it and redistribute it
      freely, subject to the following restrictions:

      1. The origin of this software must not be misrepresented; you must not
      claim that you wrote the original software. If you use this software
      in a product, an acknowledgment in the product documentation would be
      appreciated but is not required.
      2. Altered source versions must be plainly marked as such, and must not be
      misrepresented as being the original software.
      3. This notice may not be removed or altered from any source distribution.

      Jean-loup Gailly jloup@gzip.org
      Mark Adler madler@alumni.caltech.edu

      */

    20. Re:it's true by GlassHeart · · Score: 5, Insightful
      here lies one of the most basic problems of copyright. Nobody can see the other's code...to build on and possibly improve. Everybody has to learn what is already known by themselves. That slows down the whole developement process to a virtual standstill.

      I agree that a lot of reinvention has to go on, but I think you exaggerate the effects of not being able to reuse code. To begin with, people tend to forget the steep learning curve required if you choose to reuse code as opposed to rolling your own.

      Case in point: Microsoft started nearly from scratch (licensed a simpler browser, IIRC) with IE, at around the same time Netscape decided it was unable to maintain its aging source code. IE overtook Netscape 4 in terms of quality (despite illegal bundling) over a few years. We cannot know if Netscape could've survived if they kept maintaining their 4.x browser, but it's pretty clear that Microsoft wasn't moving slowly at all.

      Apple then did the same years later, starting with KHTML (generally considered inferior to Gecko), and within a pretty short time has a really polished Safari browser. It's not as maximally compatible as some of the more established browsers, but it's probably 90% of the way there within a year or two of development.

      In fact, the projects that truly move at a glacial pace tend to be the free software projects. Sourceforge is full of these projects, gasping for attention, despite disclosing full source code. In the commercial world, when you throw money at a problem, code gets written from scratch pretty quickly.

  2. Open Source by The_Rippa · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now will everyone stop bitching about Windows not being open source?!

    1. Re:Open Source by eyegor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, now Microsoft can pull a SCO and sue anyone who produces an OS with lots of security holes and cruft.

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  3. Server problems ALREADY... by momerath2003 · · Score: 5, Informative
    "The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later."

    Later isn't going to work, since the server was down even before it hit the Slashdot front page. I empathize with their server.

    I did, however, managed to grab the news blurb (but not the, at that point, 214 comments) from the intermittent front page:

    Neowin has learned of shocking and potentially devastating news. It would appear that two packages are circulating on the internet, one being the source code to Windows 2000, and the other being the source code to Windows NT. At this time, it is hard to establish whether or not full code has leaked, and this will undoubtedly remain the situation until an attempt is made to compile them. Microsoft are currently unavailable for comment surrounding this leak so we have no official response from them at the time of writing.

    This leak is a shock not only to Neowin, but to the wider IT industry. The ramifications of this leak are far reaching and devastating. This reporter does not wish to be sensationalist, but the number of industries and critical systems that are based around these technologies that could be damaged by new exploits found in this source code is something that doesn't bare thinking about.

    We ask that for the wider benefit of the IT community that members and readers support Microsoft by forwarding anything they know about the leak to the Microsoft's Anti-Piracy department.

    Please do not post any links/screenshots/hints or anything to do with the source code outbreak. Discussion is allowed but we will not condone people spreading this source code.


    Torrent, anyone? ;) (not like I would have any reason to want to have several lines of bug-infested code, as who knows to where the bugs might spread in my system)
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  4. What's the big deal? by Fluk3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's plenty of worthless spam on the internet already.

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  5. For those that need more proof by timdorr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Full file listing with sizes: http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~mortehu/files.txt I suggest mirroring ;)

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    1. Re:For those that need more proof by say · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What is this:

      win2k/private/inet/urlmon/iapp/gnumakefile
      win2 k/private/inet/urlmon/mon/gnumakefile
      win2k/priva te/inet/xml/xml/tokenizer/parser/gnumak efile

      (and so on - many, many instances)

      on the other hand, a few funny files:
      win2k/private/inet/xml/xml/tokenizer/dll/w ords of wisdom from dennis.eml
      win2k/private/inet/xml/xml/dso/letter to children - 2.eml

      and VERY interesting:
      win2k/private/ntos/w32/ntuser/kernel /

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    2. Re:For those that need more proof by PipianJ · · Score: 5, Funny
      20475 07-26-00 03:06 win2k/private/windows/shell/games/sol/sol.c

      AT LAST! The secret to beating Solitaire... This could perhaps be the most significant event of our times!

  6. One a related note by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    On a related note, Microsoft is reporting the number of bugs in Linux to have surged in recent weeks, thus proving Intellectual Property theft.

    Seriously, the previous article lambasting open source for being vulnerable is nothing when compared to eyes backed with malicious intent poring over Windows source code for new exploits. So much for security through ignorance.

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  7. Re:Torrent? by thelasttemptation · · Score: 5, Funny

    I want a ebuild!

    emerge win2000

  8. Fortune by Tom+Rothamel · · Score: 5, Funny

    The funny thing is the fortune that appeared in the appropriate slashbox when I first saw this article.

    "Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)
    -- Unknown source"

  9. Mirror With Comments by RPoet · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mirror with comments.

    Hope it's all just a bluff.

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    1. Re:Mirror With Comments by RichMan · · Score: 5, Funny

      You have commented all that Microsoft code already. Holy Crap that is fast.

  10. Code by daeley · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Windows 2000 and Windows NT source code has been leaked to the internet.

    The Internet, however, being a polite sort of fellow and completely undesirous of the undoubtedly horrible ramifications of having such a beastie running around loose, gently replaced the source code and gave Windows a friendly pat on the head.

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  11. Do NOT read that code! by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do NOT read that code if you ever wish to program for an open source OS, ever. Doing so will make you tainted- you open the project up to allegations of copyright infringement. Unless you never want to contribute a single line to Linux, *BSD, etc, checking out that code is a bad idea. Its almost a surprise MS didn't "leak" Win 95 or 3.1 years ago to catch open source developers like this.

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    1. Re:Do NOT read that code! by MenTaLguY · · Score: 5, Informative

      that's like saying the beatles can sue every musician who ever listened to them for copyright infringement

      I personally think it's a bad analogy, but even that isn't as far-fetched as you might think.

      George Harrison (of Beatles fame) was succesfully sued for _subconsciously_ ripping off the song "He's So Fine" (in "My Sweet Lord"). See here for more details.

      So, no, I don't think worrying about IP contamination from looking at Windows source code is paranoid at all.

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  12. Re:hmm seems a bit buggy by fishbowl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It *amazes* me that it hasn't been routine.

    Windows source code is not some deep dark secret that is locked in a vault, only let out during builds for the product releases.

    *MANY* people have access to the Windows source code. A number of people in my own university have it. There are strict licensing considerations, but when has that ever worked before? Surprisingly, none of the people with source access has ever pulled off the stunt where it's broadcasted. I have always wondered why.

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  13. error.h by sarice · · Score: 5, Funny

    We all know the real valuable stuff is in error.h.
    So, what does it say?

  14. So much for security through obscurity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This pretty much destroy's any argument that Windows is more secure because "the bad guys" can't look at the source code. And yet it won't get the positive aspect of "the good guys" reviewing the source code for bugs as it is illegal to make a copy of the code without a license to do so.

    1. Re:So much for security through obscurity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Just remember, eEye doesn't have access to the code and they have been sitting on exploits for months.

      Source helps, but it isn't everything.

      Does anyone else just get a tingly feeling seeing this article sitting on top of an article on Open Source being less secure because of it's openness?

    2. Re:So much for security through obscurity by Monkelectric · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Could this be a ploy to spur Win2k+3 updates? Blame the hackers for making win2k insecure. Oops you gotta upgrade now, sorry,

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    3. Re:So much for security through obscurity by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 5, Funny
      So, when do you figure SCO will find their intellectual property in it?

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    4. Re:So much for security through obscurity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I prefer win3*23*29+2

    5. Re:So much for security through obscurity by diersing · · Score: 5, Funny

      If its true (conspiracy theorists) that MS was behind the 50M cash investment into SCO a while back, then its possible MS is trying to provoke the playgournd wimp into picking a fight with the Big Blue bully for the sole purpose of being there first after getting his ass kicked. Its not out of the realm of possibility that the MS world domination plans include purchasing UNIX IP just to burn it in some pagan ritual.

    6. Re:So much for security through obscurity by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, I think it would be funny to see the open source community release a security patch for win2k before Windows does, proving that open source is more secure since it can be patched faster with more eyes looking at it.

      Of course, MS would flip out, call it an exploit, and have the next patch uninstall it, since any patch for MS products that do not come from MS "can't be trusted". Another reason I like Linux more and more every day, not having to rely on a single company for patches.

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    7. Re:So much for security through obscurity by cps42 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Windows Update clients are hardly secure if you happen to modify the registry of the client system to use a differenet "WindowsUpdate" server...

    8. Re:So much for security through obscurity by benna · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You know its very interesting. This has just gotten released into the regular warez scene. Some group pred it on a bunch of sites. its called Windows.2000.Source.Code-iND. But anyway, i requested it be sent to a site im on. Imediatly one of the siteops said, "if that request is filled, i'll seriously leave." many others agreed with him. It seems at the very top of the scene, in the irc channel im in, curries and siteops are making a moral arguement NOT to move the source. When I asked what the big deal was, the siteop responded, "think about it, by downloading that you think its okay for people to search through it to hunt down ways to fuck people over." So anyway i was just facsinated by the sudden display of morals in the warez scene.

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    9. Re:So much for security through obscurity by nullard · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's so many more computers running than 2000/XP than 9x, why bother writing any kind of worm that targets 9x?

      Is that true? Can you prove it?

      For years after Windows 95 came out, there were more Windows 3.1 systems than there were Windows 95 systems. Why is this?

      It's probably for the same reason that there are more dead people than live people.

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    10. Re:So much for security through obscurity by LittleBigLui · · Score: 5, Funny
      why target Mac or Linux when you can target Windows, with many, many times more users?


      what my first thought was:

      Because every idiot skr1pt k1dd13 and their lam0r grandmother can code winDOZE viriii, but only 1337 H4XX0rZ can ownzor teh LiNuX and MaC BoXxEn!!!1!!

      how it should be phrased:

      Successfully designing, implementing and deploying a worm/virus targetting the aforementioned "alternative" platforms Linux and/or Apple would - although being a much more complex undertaking and promising less quantifiable success (for example, infected hosts) than targetting the Microsoft Windows platform - could strengthen the Programmer's social status amongst his peers.

      how it should be phrased on slashdot:

      Frist psot!
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    11. Re:So much for security through obscurity by yandros · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, there have been numerous studies/surveys by roughly every major `business market analyst' company (Gartner, Jupiter, et al) that show that Win9x variants are more widely used than all other Windows OS's combined, by a decent margin.

      Perhaps your personal experience in server rooms has misled you about the HUGE number of Win9x installations on user desktops?

    12. Re:So much for security through obscurity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Windows 1337+666 seemed to always do it for me...

    13. Re:So much for security through obscurity by MasterSLATE · · Score: 5, Funny

      Due to the source code leak, Microsoft has delayed the release of the highly anticipated Windows 2000 till the summer of 2004.
      *time passes*
      Due to the source code leak, Microsoft has delayed the release of the highly anticipated Windows 2000 till the fall of 2004.
      *time passes*
      Due to the source code leak, Microsoft has delayed the release of the highly anticipated Windows 2000 till the release of Half-life 2.
      *time passes*
      Duke Nukem Forever released...

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    14. Re:So much for security through obscurity by soramimicake · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Sorry for pointing out the obvious, but you really don't want to end up being as a scapegoat in a high profile case this one has the potential of turning into. Getting blamed for distributing a million copies of Windows and ending up in jail for years is not fun.

      It is wise to keep a low profile from a company that offers bounties to hunt people down.

    15. Re:So much for security through obscurity by what+the+dumple+is · · Score: 5, Funny

      Coincidently, this is also one of the key reasons that there are more worms/virii released that target Windows than Mac or Linux - why target Mac or Linux when you can target Windows, with many, many times more users?

      I have noticed some viruses for linux. One was just a script and it recommended that the indivdual chmod a+x and then run it. The other one you had to type gcc -o virus virus.c and then run the resulting binary in order to get it to work. And then there was that one where it wanted to load a module but it couldn't because modules weren't supported on that kernel, although it did try for /dev/kmem.

      Then there was that one that installed an irc backdoor:

      :Portland.OR.Us.Aolirc.us 372 lamer :- Network Admins:
      :Portland.OR.Us.Aolirc.us 372 lamer :- Paul
      :Portland.OR.Us.Aolirc.us 372 lamer :- MrSteve
      :Portland.OR.Us.Aolirc.us 372 lamer :-
      :Portland.OR.Us.Aolirc.us 376 lamer :End of /MOTD command.
      :lamer MODE lamer :+wx
      JOIN #ddos# vrfx
      MODE lamer +i
      :lamer!lamer@aolirc-1FCCF050.client.attbi.com JOIN :#ddos#
      :Portland.OR.Us.Aolirc.us 332 lamer #ddos# :
      :Portland.OR.Us.Aolirc.us 333 lamer #ddos# smash` 1068679664
      :Portland.OR.Us.Aolirc.us 353 lamer @ #ddos# :lamer
      :Portland.OR.Us.Aolirc.us 366 lamer #ddos# :End of /NAMES list.
      :lamer MODE lamer :+i
      MODE #ddos# +nts


      23:14 < lamer HTTP server listining on poort: 999 root dir: c:\ Address http://X.X.X.X:999/

      Oh, wait. that last one was a Windows thing. But those other ones. Look out. They'll do some nasty things. I mean, it takes a bit of work to get them running. But once you do. Look out. They're dangerous!

      /* address size */
      /* 0x00417001 0 */ /* unknown */ void __entry_point__;

  15. Not good by savagedome · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is not good. Windows is designed primarily with 'security by obscurity' in mind. The security holes indeed show up every often and we have worms making it to the gazillion windows boxes before the patch does. Get ready for a deluge of worms/virri. Another bad week/month for sysadmins.

  16. Re:I'll believe it when I see it. by rritterson · · Score: 5, Informative

    While you may not have heard of Neowin before, they are actually quite well known and are often placed in those '100 essential sites' lists.

    They focus primarily on windows tech, and have a knack for breaking stories about Windows- leaked builds of future versions, beta builds of service packs, etc. Whoever runs the site is well connected in Microsoft.

    --
    -Ryan
    AUWYHSTOT (Acronyms are Useless When You Have to Spell Them Out Too)
  17. If this is true... by thesolo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I haven't been able to even get to Neowin, it's been slashdotted since before this story even made it to "The Mysterious Future" here on /., but think about what this means if this is actually true. The potential vulnerabilities. All the trade secrets Microsoft put in there. Hell, IE 5 was released with Windows 2000, so if this is full source, it means IE 5 and the trident engine are in there as well.

    If this is true, today may be the day that everything changes.

  18. In other news... by zellyn · · Score: 5, Funny

    ReactOS have announced they have hit all upcoming milestones and consider their project "feature complete".

  19. Re:So is this the beginning of something... by webroach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure it's illegal, but so have many things Microsoft has done.

    I'm not sure that kind of justification really works. It also doesn't help the open source community, IMHO. I can't agree with the "let's sink to their level" philosophy.

  20. Re:The shit will hit the fan + Mirror by milgr · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Could this potentially help the WINE Project?
    IANAL but I would avoid looking at the leaked code - especially if I was working on a project like wine. You wouldn't want wine to sued out of existence because it contains code derived from a proprietary, copywritten system.
    --
    Where law ends, tyranny begins -- William Pitt
  21. Re:There is no evidence listed by RealityMogul · · Score: 5, Funny

    Breaking News:

    A member of the Slashdot cult has admitted he has stolen the source code to Microsoft's Windows XP operating system. PickyH3D is the handle the low-karma hacker used when bragging of his accomplishment to the world. He has also issued a challenge to Microsoft's legal team with the statement that "there is no evidence". More on this as we hear it.

  22. Re:I'll believe it when I see it. by BrianCarlstrom · · Score: 5, Informative
    Second point: The odds of getting one's hands on the full source to NT4/2K are slim to none--even most Microsoft folks couldn't do that. The code is probably scattered across multiple servers in Redmond, for starters, and you'd only be given access to the parts you needed to work with.

    Microsoft gave a talk at usenix: Windows A Software Engineering Odyssey

    This slide indicates the full source is 50gb and took a week to setup and 2 hours a day to update.

    That implies to me that people could have the whole source but it would huge.

    Slide 24 talks about their new perforce based system that only takes 3 hours to setup and 5 minutes to update.

  23. It's not a problem. by ggruschow · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've seen a fair chunk of the NT kernel code, legally, under NDA. The NDA bars me from revealing any details, but it doesn't prevent me from saying that, if I were MS, I wouldn't worry about anything aside from sheer embarassment.. However, I have to admit that getting something of that hulking size operating solidly is pretty respectable.

    On the plus side, some of the comments are fairly humorous, especially when you note who wrote them and look up where they are today.

    1. Re:It's not a problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      On the plus side, some of the comments are fairly humorous, especially when you note who wrote them and look up where they are today.

      OK, it just HAD to be said..

      /* mem_routines.h */
      success = malloc(655360); /* [billg] this should be enough for anybody */
  24. this could be really bad by G27+Radio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Windows code hasn't had nearly as much peer review as open source OS's so I won't be suprised if this leads to a ton of exploits. The big problem here is that this source will be available to any black-hat that wants it--they obviously aren't going to be concerned about the legalities of obtaining leaked source code. But the businesses that use Windows aren't going to be able to audit the code for security leaks unless they obtain it illegally (or sign some agreements with Microsoft and shell out bundles of cash.)

    1. Re:this could be really bad by cmowire · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is exactly my thoughts.

      The interesting part is the difference between Win2k and Linux. In both cases now, the black hats have access to the source code. However, there are more white hats who have access to the Linux codebase, which will make for some interesting long-term implications.

      This also has the potential to solve the NSAKEY contriversy once and for all and provide some interesting insights into how Windows works. I'm wondering if, through the use of countries with more flexible copyright systems, it would be possible to document interesting attributes and then pass them back to WINE and other open-source folk.

    2. Re:this could be really bad by ianr44 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This also has the potential to solve the NSAKEY contriversy once and for all It only has the potential to show that there are backdoors. If there are no backdoors are in the source, the tinfoil hat crowd will just say that the leaked source isn't the version used to build windows binaries, and the controversy will continue.

  25. MOD PARENT UP by nickos · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For the same reasons that Microsoft warned its IE developers to stay clear of Mozilla, open source coders should avoid even seeing this.

    That said, I'd love to get hold of the dll code that does the equivalent of a window manager in X. How cool would it be to swap out a dll on the Windows box at work and have a completely custom windowing environment?

  26. The odds of getting the full source: experience. by rufusdufus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The odds of getting one's hands on the full source to NT4/2K are slim to none--even most Microsoft folks couldn't do that.

    This is incorrect.

    Its funny how people build up ideas in their heads about what its like in a large corporation, somehow like a hollywood movie with lots of people with dark shades and guns ala "The Net".

    No, inside Microsoft is a lot more like "Office Space" and anybody with motivation could get the entire source with little trouble.

  27. Re:What now? by Jim_Maryland · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just to throw this out, what's the possibility that MS saw some similar routines in WINE and figured to shutdown the project by releasing some portions of the MS code that overlaps? They could essentially say that WINE must be based on MS proprietary code. Even with the code only publicly being leaked now, they could argue that copies may have been floating around for a while. Maybe they are taking some ideas from SCO on how to profit from the OSS community.

  28. :: prediction :: by macshune · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just imagine the FUD/lawsuits/etc when, for some reason, Linux starts running on natively on NTFS.

    1. Re::: prediction :: by jonadab · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, that's exactly what I was going to suggest, though not by copying.
      I was going to say the first thing anyone competent in C/C++ who gets their
      hands on the code ought to do (providing they don't need to take a hands-off
      approach due to, say, the need to be able to legally write competing OS code)
      would be to post English descriptions anonymously to usenet, describing the
      way NTFS works, especially the parts that are not currently well-understood.
      No source code snippets, just stuff like "it appears that such-and-such
      information about each file is stored and updated whenever it changes in three
      places: at offset blah in the file header info, and ...". (I don't know beans
      about NTFS, so any fs jargon that leaked into that sentence may not be accurate.
      But you get the idea of the kind of thing I mean.)

      Then somebody else could take that information and implement a compatible
      filesystem in a clean-room fashion.

      IANAL, but from what I've read on slashdot, there's apparently at least a
      vague possibility the resulting code might be legal. Though, one should
      consult legal counsel before spending significant time on such a project.

      --
      Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
    2. Re::: prediction :: by Rubbersoul · · Score: 5, Funny

      You, my friend, win for best line I have ever read on slashdot ...

      IANAL, but from what I've read on slashdot...

      This is good stuff

      --
      man .sig
      No manual entry for .sig.
  29. Oh, no! I Looked! by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    10 * BEGIN
    100 GOSUB 7000 ; * Load stuff
    110 GOSUB 900 ; * Show windows logo
    120 GOSUB 20000 ; * Prompt for operator login
    130 GOSUB 32000 ; * Fill half of memory with DLL's
    140 GOSUB 16000 ; * Time waster loop
    .
    .
    .

    --

    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
  30. SCO Code in Win2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Imagine if somewhere hidden in the bowels of the Windows2000 source an intrepid SCO intern finds a sliver of SCO-owned Unix code. Then all hell would break loose...

    1. Re:SCO Code in Win2000 by UserGoogol · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Lets not forget who first wrote SCO Unix. Microsoft. Microsoft bought the rights to a Unix back in the eighties, (which they named Xenix) but DOS/Windows got too damned popular, and when they started working on OS/2 they decided to sell off Xenix to the Santa Cruz Operation. Years later, Santa Cruz Operation would recieve the rights to Unix-proper from Novell. A little after that, Santa Cruz Operation sold all their Unix stuff to Caldera, who promptly renamed themselves SCO.

      Of course, this lawsuit is based on the AT&T Unix which "Classic SCO" got from Novell, not from Xenix, but... well, there's a lot of mixed up stuff here.

      --
      "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -- Hanlon's Razor
  31. Someone PLEASE... by RyanFenton · · Score: 5, Interesting


    As someone mentioned, this would be fascinating to just read the comments. Would it be possible for someone to strip out all the code, leaving only the comments for each file, minus comment lines that ARE code? It would be GREAT just to read the "intention" and "questions" living in that code and be able to associate each with a filename. Purely for entertainment value. It would also be neat to compare comment-to-code ratio in areas of MS code. :^)

    Ryan Fenton

  32. That is a MYTH by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope you weren't planning on ever contributing to any Open Source projects after doing that. If it's later demonstrated that you had access to the W2K source and contributed vaguely similar code (even by accident) to a project, it could have severe repercussions for that project.

    IANAL but I do read Groklaw, and from what I understand copyright restricts the act of copying (duplicating). You can study someone's implimentation of something as much as you like, then go impliment something similiar yourself. As long as you do not copy the code verbatim you are not in violation of copyright law.

    Otherwise, no student would be able to code having once looked at examples in a text book ... the textbook author would own all of your code.

    The problem is, of course, proving one implimented the code oneself and did not in fact crib the whole thing from someone elses code, and the greater the similiarity (for code of sufficient complexity ... trivial code will generally be similiar regardless) the more difficult that is.

    In any event, it is a myth that, simply by looking at, or even studying, one set of code one is somehow "tainted" and unable to contribute to another, competing project, be it free or proprietary. To violate copyright law one must copy, not just receive inspiration from.

    --
    The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
    1. Re:That is a MYTH by Bootsy+Collins · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > I hope you weren't planning on ever contributing
      > to any Open Source projects after doing that. If
      > it's later demonstrated that you had access to
      > the W2K source and contributed vaguely similar
      > code (even by accident) to a project, it could
      > have severe repercussions for that project.

      IANAL but I do read Groklaw, and from what I understand copyright restricts the act of copying (duplicating). You can study someone's implimentation of something as much as you like, then go impliment something similiar yourself. As long as you do not copy the code verbatim you are not in violation of copyright law.

      What you're saying about copyright is correct; but that probably isn't what MS would come after you (and your open source project) for. It'd be patent and trade secret violations.

      That said, I don't know whether the unauthorized release of code would invalidate subsequent trade secret claims. On one hand, it seems crazy to lose trade secret protections because of an illegal or unauthorized act; OTOH, it seems crazy to call something a secret that, well, isn't. Maybe someone who is a lawyer can discuss.

    2. Re:That is a MYTH by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Informative

      The idea of being "tainted" is actually from licenses that have "trade secret" clauses. Once you sign a license like that, you *are* tainted. That being said, it's a very difficult clause to enforce. Contracts that prevent someone from working in the field for which they are educated and experienced have often been found unenforceable by courts.

      (IANAL and this is not legal advice. Go talk to PJ. At least she's a paralegal.)

    3. Re:That is a MYTH by SquarePants · · Score: 5, Informative

      IAAL. What you are saying is simply not true. Even if you don't copy verbatim you can be guilty of copyright infringement if you create a "derivative work" from copyrighted material. MS would probably argue that your "perusal" of their code and subsequent creation of a work based on such "perusal" would constitute creation of a derivative work. Its done all the time since only a complete moron would copy source code verbatim.

      Also, because the act of copying is incredibly hard to prove unless you are dealing with a complete moron, it is not necessary under the law today for a copyright plaintiff to actually prove the act of "copying." Generally speaking, it is sufficient for them to prove "access" to the copyrighted work and "substantial similarity" between the two works. There is tons of case law on this stuff.

  33. So... by El · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My question is, has anybody managed to get this steaming pile of manure to compile? Seems like one would need to do that and then compare the binaries (ignoring any timestamping) before assuming this is authentic.

    --

    "Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney

  34. Here's some of it.... by C+A+S+S+I+E+L · · Score: 5, Funny
    Neowin.net is reporting that Windows 2000 and Windows NT source code has been leaked to the internet.

    The server is currently slashdotted, but I managed to download the first few lines of the Windows 2000 codebase. Here they are:

    10 REM Windows 2000 Operating System
    20 REM (C) Microsoft Corporation
    30 REM Note: TO DO: fix up security stuff
    40 REM :
    50 REM :wq
    60 REM exit^M^M quit ^C
  35. What, no GPFL? by namespan · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was expecting the General Protection Fault License.

    --
    Libertarianism is rich wolves and poor sheep playing gambler's ruin for dinner.
  36. Re:Torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You must either be new to Gentoo or new to Windows. It would most definately be:

    ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge win2000

  37. MS giving source code to countries by xandroid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I seem to remember reading that Microsoft gave China access to the entire source code, after the country mentioned that it was leaning more towards using Linux for government-related things, because the entire source code was open for inspection.

    --
    $ echo "ceci n'est pas une pipe" | sed -Ee 's/(eci n|pas )//g'
    1. Re:MS giving source code to countries by leerpm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I guarantee, that if it was one of these countries who gave it away. They will be caught. Why? Because Microsoft probably made small but unique cosmetic changes to each of the codebases they released. Essentially, putting a unique fingerprint on it in each instance they have shared out the code.

  38. The dirty room and the clean room by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    As long as you do not copy the code verbatim you are not in violation of copyright law.

    Copying of nonliteral elements is actionable infringement. That's why many reverse engineering firms have two separate teams: one to describe a piece of copyrighted code and another to implement it.

    In any event, it is a myth that, simply by looking at, or even studying, one set of code one is somehow "tainted" and unable to contribute to another, competing project, be it free or proprietary. To violate copyright law one must copy, not just receive inspiration from.

    Try telling that to the estate of George Harrison, who lost in Bright Tunes v. Harrisongs. It's possible to copy without knowing you're copying, and it's still infringement.

  39. ANONYMOUS DONOR CONTRIBUTES TO WINE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    WINEHQ: Early today, a developer who wished to remain anonymous contribued an astonishing amount of source code to the WINE project. Some initial testing performed by WINE core developers revealed that WINE's compatibility with Microsoft Windows applications releasted for Windows NT and Windows 2000 had perfect compatibility, even down to some annoying and well-known bugs that have plagued certain Microsoft DLLs distributed with Microsoft's operating systems.

    "This will really make it possible for non-Windows users to run more applications than ever using WINE on alternate operating systems like Linux," said one develper we spoke with. ;)

  40. Irony of ironies.... by bobdotorg · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would be the most poetically ironic event ever if it turns out that it was a MS Win security hole that allowed a hacker to enter a server and steal the code.

    Doubly ironic if it was a hole that MS has known about for months and not bothered to patch.

    Triply ironic if someone finds said hole, patches it, and ships patched source back to MS.

    --
    __ Someday, but not this morning, I'll finally learn to use the preview button.
  41. Re:It's a TRAP!!! /Adm. Ackbar by Via_Patrino · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What about the opposite:
    Is there GPL code there?
    Ask an auditing company to
    diff NT4 2000 | grep -e yourcode
    and get an answer.

    I don't think they're playing SCO if they released just a part of it maybe but not the whole thing

  42. Seen it - nothing spectacular by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Blimey. We got wind of this around lunchtime GMT, and within half an hour two zip files mysteriously got downloaded to - ahem - servers some collegues and I have access to (no, I had no involvement in the download and have no idea of the source). We took a look, us being extremely sceptical of the claims, and ended up spending a few hours grepping the Win2K sources.

    If this is a wind up, someone or people spent a long old time faking it. Microsoft notices and email addresses all over the place. They don't like the AIX compiler one little bit. Hardly any mention of Linux, GPL or GNU.

    Actually quite a professional bunch of source files by all accounts. Appears to be using standard GNU Makefiles though. Yes, the 'f' word appears, as does the 's' word. Apparently Office 2k is broken in some respect that Win2k needed a tweak or some description.

    Plenty of mentions of Internet Explorer, although I wouldn't like to say that we found 'IE' in the code, but then we aren't C experts at all. It does mention IE6 and Windows ME, so can't be all that old either. Does mention buffer overflows a fair bit, also plenty of 'hackhack' and 'bugbug' notes laying around.

    In fact, nothing particularly spectacular found at all. We took a look, got bored, and went back to our normal work. Honest boss!

    And no, we didn't try to compile it. We felt it was genuine enough though - not that we really cared. We did however note that if this lot is proven to be the real deal, Microsoft are going to be landed with one hell of a lot of security alerts for 2k/NT over the next six months.

    Yours merely curious...

  43. Re:GNU make users? by TioHoltzman · · Score: 5, Interesting
    No they wouldn't.

    There have been articles on the web describing alot of their NT build process. They do use command line builds. They originally wrote a custom version control system, but now use something else (not Visual Source Safe, I think perforce, or perhaps they created anotehr system). I believe, if memory serves, that they had a custom make tool, but they may now use nmake, which is the make tool that's distributed with their commerical dev tools.

    I recall the article did mention the use of perl for parts of the custom build scripts.

    As a long time windows programmer, frankly, this stuff looks made up. Clever, amusing, but ultimately it seems like a hoax. If this is all the proof we have, then I'm afraid it's a bit pathetic!

    Also there appear to be duplicate headers, repeated in various directories that I'm almost positive would end up screwing the compile process in a real build. Also, another thing is that, if their distributed files with VC6/7 are indicative of their internal naming, they stick to a strict 8.3 naming scheme, and make note of this in their documentation (don't remember *where* it was that I read it, but it was MS docs, and I remember being surprised by it). Another thing, again assuming that the files distributed with VC6/7 are a good model, their files tend to be all UPPERCASE! For example, here's a listing from their includes in for VC6:

    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 21912 Apr 24 1998 ACCCTRL.H
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 27863 Apr 24 1998 ACLAPI.H
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 3735 Apr 24 1998 ACLCLS.H
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 747 Apr 24 1998 ACLSID.H
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 269 Apr 24 1998 ACSMGTC.H
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 267 Apr 24 1998 ACSSVCC.H
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 833 Apr 24 1998 ACTIVECF.H
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 1111 Apr 24 1998 ACTIVEDS.H
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 39805 Apr 24 1998 ACTIVEX.MAK
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 3794 Apr 24 1998 ACTIVEX.RCV
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 2053 Apr 24 1998 ACTIVEX.VER
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 68013 Apr 24 1998 ACTIVSCP.H
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 17845 Apr 24 1998 ACTIVSCP.IDL
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 3402 Apr 24 1998 ADDRLKUP.H
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 18946 Apr 24 1998 ADMEX.H
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 10051 Apr 24 1998 ADMINEXT.H
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 2827 May 31 1998 ADOID.H
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 343678 Jun 19 1998 ADOINT.H
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 135222 Jun 2 1998 ADOMD.H
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 14127 May 31 1998 ADOMD.IDL
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 5083 Apr 24 1998 ADPTIF.H
    -rwx------+ 1 Administ None 1133 Apr 24 1998 ADS.ODL

  44. Re:Torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't worry... We're safe. MS can't prove what you're downloading, because no one there can open a tar.bz2!

    TAR!? BZ2?! What the hell? That's not ZIP!!!!

  45. How it can go wrong by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A friend and his associate left a previous employer to form a start-up. They began work on a product, much like the one their former employer was developing. Though my friend largely contributed the code and many fixes to his associates code, the project died when the former employer had detectives raid the associates house. The former employer claimed they were copying the firmware, though my friend had mostly written it. However, an old code listing was found in his associates house after they had both vehemently denied copying any code from their former employer. In light of the discovery, the issue of stole-did not steal became a moot point, as they would need a company of lawyers, time and lots of money to defend themselves. If he had tossed all prior employer related junk from his home office, the burden would have been much greater on the former employer. Having some code at home which looked suspiciously like product code (particularly to the untrained eye) killed their start-up and put the associate in jail.

    --

    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
  46. Re:It's a TRAP!!! /Adm. Ackbar by jafac · · Score: 5, Funny

    Worse still - if you work on any Open Source project, and you look at Microsoft Source code. . . DO NOT COPY IT!!!

    We like Linux as it is. Reliable, stable, and fast. Copying Microsoft code in would jeopardize that. Never mind the IP issues. . .

    --

    These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
  47. Re:backups by Viper233 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is probably old hat now, but....

    Real men don't do backups, they just pack their files into windows_2000_source_code.zip and post them to their website.... with torrent links...

  48. Semi-slashdotted? Here's the text... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Neowin has learned of shocking and potentially devastating news. It would appear that two packages are circulating on the internet, one being the source code to Windows 2000, and the other being the source code to Windows NT. At this time, it is hard to establish whether or not full code has leaked, and this will undoubtedly remain the situation until an attempt is made to compile them. Microsoft are currently unavailable for comment surrounding this leak so we have no official response from them at the time of writing.

    This leak is a shock not only to Neowin, but to the wider IT industry. The ramifications of this leak are far reaching and devastating. This reporter does not wish to be sensationalist, but the number of industries and critical systems that are based around these technologies that could be damaged by new exploits found in this source code is something that doesn't bare thinking about.

    We ask that for the wider benefit of the IT community that members and readers support Microsoft by forwarding anything they know about the leak to the Microsoft's Anti-Piracy department.

    Please do not post any links/screenshots/hints or anything to do with the source code outbreak. Discussion is allowed but we will not condone people spreading this source code.

    (The rest is just the comments, you know, crap like you get on /.)

    1. Re:Semi-slashdotted? Here's the text... by blorg · · Score: 5, Funny
      Perhaps the following error message was not such a good idea:

      "There seems to have been a slight problem with the database. Please try again by pressing the refresh button in your browser."

      Refresh, you say? Oh-kay...

  49. Please be a hoax! by raw-sewage · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I sincerely hope this is a hoax. On the one hand, it would be great to point to the Windows source code and say, "See how terribly written, buggy, crufty, etc closed-source code is?" And the rash of exploits, worms and virii that would follow would only underscore that comment.

    But, it only takes one person to look at the Windows source, then go do something vaguely similar in Linux (or any OSS project for that matter). The result would be devastating: Microsoft would litigate Linux to death.

    As many have said, the principle behind these copyright suits is awful. Looking at code, then doing something somewhat similar (because of inspiration) should not be a copyright violation. But with Microsoft's legal and financial resources, the laws will "adapt" to what is most beneficial to them.

    I can only echo what many other have said: for the sake of Linux and OSS in general, do not look at the Windows source!. That's a very conservative and overly-paranoid policy, but it's a invaluable measure for protection.

    To me, general acceptance of open-source software is similar to political elections: every last spec of dirt is drug out and put under the spotlight. Any potential or suspect or even misunderstood characteristic is scrutinized, and the naysayers always manage to put a negative spin on it.

    Open source only stands a chance if it can maintain the straight and narrow path... I hate to sound preachy, but any slight mishap, no matter how innocent or accidental, quickly turns into a major catastrophic disaster. There's just too much money and power interested in seeing OSS fail.

  50. If code is criminal, only criminals will have code by Vreejack · · Score: 5, Funny

    If code is made criminal, only criminals will have the code

    Now that was a very satisfying cliche re-use. I hope it was an original cliche re-use.

    BTW the server seems ve-wy slow to-day. I think we were just Farked.

    --
    "Will future ages believe that such stupid bigotry ever existed!" -- Ivanhoe
  51. It's worse than that! by RLW · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is an attempt to corrupt your ability to write reliable code. It is the software equivalent of a Medusa. Once you've looked at it your mind will be agog to make blue screens. Do not look! For the love of Pete, DO NOT LOOK!!!!!

  52. Life is good. by mr_luc · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's 5:15PM. I got home from work 2 hours ago, and had a nap. It is a beautiful day outside, and the Windows source code has been leaked.

    And I have 5 Moderator points.

    Today -- today, life is good.

    1. Re:Life is good. by Mike+Markley · · Score: 5, Funny

      Except, of course, that you can no longer moderate this thread... :)

    2. Re:Life is good. by blackmonday · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now all you need is a girlfriend.

    3. Re:Life is good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      Now all you need is a girlfriend.

      What, and ruin a perfect day?

    4. Re:Life is good. by Yeti7226 · · Score: 5, Funny
      Scene: Two guys in black suits sitting in car

      Guy 1: "It's midnight, the windows source in leaked, we have 5 moderator point and our sunglasses on..."

      Guy 2: "hit it"


      Sorry, that image just popped into my head ;-)

    5. Re:Life is good. by enthused+i+swear · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well maybe he can't, but I ca-.......aww, crap....

  53. Some snippets of code by rmsousa · · Score: 5, Funny

    I find this one refreshing...
    if (app.exename="NETSCAPE.EXE") system.sluggify();

    And this one provides for the future...
    if (site.url="www.google.com") {
    browser.renderer.togglebuggyrenderer(); /* You will be assimilated, suckers */
    browser.fakepopup("www.msn.com");
    }

    I can't say anything about this one though:

    if (user.status==PISSED_OFF)
    prick.annoyingpopup("Hello, I noticed you are writing a letter")

    Seriously, given the denounces of delayed APIs for Navigator, I wouldn't doubt the first one... could someone with the codes please grep for netscape.exe?

  54. Re:SHORT THE STOCK? by mbshafer · · Score: 5, Informative

    To note if the leak is true and the stock gets pounded it's unlikely one would get the opportunity to short the stock. Ref SEC rule 10a-1 (aka "Uptick Rule). For Reference: http://www.forbes.com/2001/10/04/1004short.html But bottom fishing would certainly be in order. Question of course is where is the bottom when a stock takes a hit? :) Cheers!

  55. Re:IAAL??? by plj · · Score: 5, Funny

    IAAL.

    My god, this is simply not possible - man, this is /.! You must be just some miserable karma whore... or then you just made a major typo and forgot the obligatory "N" and ",but".

    Well, I believe the latter must be the case. Be more careful on your next post, OK?

    --
    “Wait for Hurd if you want something real” –Linus
  56. Microsoft source code leak? Pfft, that's nothin... by blorg · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...I hear the source code to Linux gets leaked every other day!

  57. That quote is from four years ago by blorg · · Score: 5, Informative
  58. No you haven't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I worked at MS on NT, and though it's been a few years, I can definately tell you there are "gnumakefile" files all over the place. It's the first thing any coder notices when they first look at the source, "Hey theres a Makefile, and a gnumakefile, what's the deal?"

    If you'd really seen the source, you would have remembered that.

  59. Re:SHORT THE STOCK? by noisehole · · Score: 5, Informative

    found a torrent: ed2k://|file|windows_2000_source_code.zip.torrent| 16496|5506C49CCCA12204BAB6FE960CE5602C|/

    btshowmetainfo.py windows_2000_source_code.zip.torrent
    btshowmetain fo 20021207 - decode BitTorrent metainfo files

    metainfo file.: windows_2000_source_code.zip.torrent
    info hash.....: f03fc1e04869294d5644d3c8c5d0fb8f2d26aa59
    file name.....: windows_2000_source_code.zip
    file size.....: 213748207 (815 * 262144 + 100847)
    announce url..: http://alge.nlc.no:6969/announce

    maybe its that thing, atm 23 seeders, 239 downloading and it was created on 2/12/2004 11:16:13 PM, so looks good so far

    knock yourself out

  60. In a related story, Wine annnounces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    100% compatibility with all Windows programs.

    "Don't ask us how we did it!!!"

  61. Re:The real question is, of course - by kaschei · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because Microsoft doesn't accept code updates from people who know better than they, so any bugs that are revealed are not going to be fixed through the increased visibility of the code. Having open code is only good if you have the will, the ability, and the infrastructure to make use of its openness. Microsoft is famous (infamous?) for lacking all three.
    The short of it is: no "free" security updates a la linux, just more visible bugs to exploit.

    --
    I should not talk so much about myself if there were anybody else whom I knew as well. -Henry David Thoreau
  62. Re:The real question is, of course - by LittleBigLui · · Score: 5, Funny

    A)
    1. look at the linux source
    2. find a mistake
    3. send a patch to the maintainer.
    4. PROFIT!!

    B)
    1. look at the windows source
    2. find a mistake
    3. ???
    4. write a worm
    5. get caught
    6. JAIL=tEH_SuXX0rZZ!!!1!! lolomgrofl

    --
    Free as in mason.
  63. Re:It's a TRAP!!! /Adm. Ackbar by gujo-odori · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If you work on any Open Source project, DO NOT LOOK!


    This is extremely good advice. I would go even further and say that if you would ever like to work on an open source project, don't look. The presence on a project of a person who had seen the Windows source could put the entire project at risk.


    For a very practical example, consider Samba. If a person who had seen the Windows source were to contribute to Samba and it were later to come to light that the contributor had seen the Windows source, in the name of safety every piece of code that person contributed would have to be ripped out and replaced. Worse, to guarantee that there was no trace of taint, it would probably have to be replaced by people who had not only never been exposed to the Windows source, but who had also not seen the contributor's tainted code. In short, it would require the recruitment of people who had never worked on the project before, or even read the source. Finding those people would not be easy, to say nothing of the time and credibility that would be lost.


    For that matter, even if you have legally seen the Windows source because Microsoft has provided it to your employer under their shared source program, the same taint would follow you. If your employer has access to Windows source and your job does not require you to see that source, do yourself a favor: don't look.


    If you look at the Windows source, you at the least taint yourself WRT working on any project aimed at interoperability with Windows, and quite possibly on a much wider variety of projects than that.


    In short, JUST SAY NO.

  64. Re:See win2k/private/ntos/ for kernel stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The listing appears valid, but is only a subset.

    I lived for years with full source access at a MS partner company.

    Example of what's missing is the file systems (only the file system recognizers seem to be there, not the file system), the entire device driver tree, storage drivers, etc. Most of the core kernel functionality is there though, if pre-service pack levels.

  65. Re:The real question is, of course - by dubious9 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because Microsoft never had its code freely audited. Because they won't take patches from Joe Shmo. Because they design for features first, security third. Because they relied on security through obsurity. Because they don't have a global network of developer-users to fix patches when they see them. Because it takes Microsoft a relatively long time to fix bugs. Because...

    --
    Why, o why must the sky fall when I've learned to fly?
  66. other sources by beas++mas+er · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3 312451

    http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5158496.html

    http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/02/12/HNmicr ol eak_1.html

    http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1526390,00. as p

  67. Microsoft's initial response: by aarku · · Score: 5, Informative
    according to this...
    When asked to comment, Microsoft responded by e-mail that "the rumor regarding the availability of Windows source code is based on the speculation of an individual who saw a small section of un-identified code and thought it looked like Windows code. Microsoft is looking into this as a matter of due diligence."
  68. Re:The real question is, of course - by Attaturk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why this is perceived as such a security threat to Microsoft, when it's not for Linux?

    Because Microsoft's OS was, and is, designed and developed based on a principle of closed source. Generally speaking, with closed source development potential black hats can't see how you do things without significant reverse engineering. This gives the OS programmers a 'safe' framework to work within. So when that source later becomes available to the general public, it leaves the OS programmers facing a huge legacy of problems that should, in theory, never have become problems.

    Linux was open source from the outset. Therefore it is designed and developed relying absolutely on the principle that it's secure because everyone has equal access to see how things are done.

    Furthermore, if and when there are security holes then at least with OSS you can never be held to ransom by the people owning the source. i.e. "Windows 98 has this huge security hole and it's no longer supported - go buy Win2k."

  69. Nobody wants to be sat on by KalvinB · · Score: 5, Insightful

    by a 500LB gorilla.

    It has nothing to do with morals. It's self preservation.

    Most companies don't have the resources to kick the crap out of warez distributors. MS isn't one of those companies.

    Ben

  70. Re:It's a TRAP!!! /Adm. Ackbar by iammaxus · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think you people are going a little overboard. Windows source code isn't like a virus or something.
    Wait a minute....

  71. Here is a Torrent link ... 200MB download by afxgrin · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.sschmidt.info/w2k_source.torrent

    I haven't finished downloading this, but it's 200MB in size, has 944 peers! :-)

    The tracker is the same one you have listed:

    http://alge.nlc.no:6969/announce

    The hash is also the same.

  72. Re:SHORT THE STOCK? by noisehole · · Score: 5, Interesting

    its in the wild and no one can do anything about it.
    most ppl are downloading it to have something to brag about. others are just peeking at it for the fun of it, like me. just a few grep's showed some interesting things...

    the file actually is the zip to the spreading files.txt

    whats a little bit weird is a linux coredump at private/security/msv_sspi/core

    it appears someone named eyala from mainsoft used vim (VIM - Vi IMproved 5.6 (2000 Jan 16, compiled Mar 7 2000 12:18:07)) on a redhat x86 box under xfree86/kde on a w2k sp1 sourcefile, well until the box ran out of memory...

  73. Re:No GPL - Lots of BSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The company was actually called Spider, and the Spider TCP/IP stack (which was BSD-derived) was used in exactly one MS operating system: Windows NT 3.1 (1993-1994).

    Windows NT 3.1 was released in 1993, and replaced in 1994 by Windows NT 3.5, which was much smaller, much faster and used an MS-written TCP/IP stack (which was presumably smaller and faster than the BSD-derived Spider stack). The MS TCP/IP stack in NT 3.5 was then ported to Win9x for the release of Windows 95.

    The lifetime of NT 3.1 was very brief, and during that brief lifetime, hardly anyone used it (because it was too big, too slow and there was no Win32 software), so the fact that its TCP/IP stack was BSD-derived is not really something to brag about.

  74. The EML Files by Alex_Ionescu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Guys...

    I can't believe you haven't figured out what the EML files are yet.
    Anyone remember NIMDA? The worm from 2002 I think? It had this exact same effect of sticking infected eml files all over your folders (by taking some names from your files, and others randomly). Opening those EML files or forwarding them would guarantee future and constant infection.

    It's clearly evident that this machine was infected by nimda and got port-scanned and found. The rest of the code is probably going to come soon enough, unless MS already found out and pulled the plug.

    By the way, alpha doesn't mean "Alpha Version" but the Alpha CPU made by DEC, now owned by Compaq.

  75. it wasnt leaked!!! by ShallowThroat · · Score: 5, Funny

    IT WAS LIBERATED!!!!!!

    --
    The "Insert Quote Here" line is almost as predictable as inserting an actual quote.
  76. Re:It's a TRAP!!! /Adm. Ackbar by n1ywb · · Score: 5, Informative

    I read rotten.com, I think I'm about as fscking tainted as they come. It's absurd to think that there would be ground for a lawsuit against an open source project you worked on because you had at one point glossed over the NT kernel source or something. That's like homeopathics who believe that remedies should contain miniscule quantities of active ingredients. In fact, the "strongest" formulations usually contain not a single molecule of the substances in question. Zero parts per billion -- pure water.

    I've seen the Windows CE source. Maybe I should never program again because MS could sue me! I think not.

    PS No offence to homeopathics, I don't care what crazy shite you belive in.

    --
    -73, de n1ywb
    www.n1ywb.com
  77. Re:It's a TRAP!!! /Adm. Ackbar by Sivar · · Score: 5, Funny

    We have identified over one million lines of our IP in Microsoft's source code. While I cannot share most of them because they are a trade secret, here are three of the most glaring examples:

    #include

    for( ; ; )

    if(!stop) {

    Many of these lines have been copied verbatim several thousand times. We do not want to, but are forced to sue Microsoft for unlicensed use of our intellectual property.
    We will institute a licensing program called gplSource which will allow Windows users to obtain the legal rights to use our IP. This cost will be significantly discounted to early adopters.
    Already at least three Fortune 500 companies have seen the validity of our claims and have paid these fees on a per-CPU basis to continue using Windows. While we cannot divulge their names, they do exist. Really!

    --
    Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. --E. W. Dijkstra
  78. Re:It's a TRAP!!! /Adm. Ackbar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Think it absurd if you want; the law certainly allows for it. It works like this:

    1) You see some proprietary source, either legally or otherwise;

    2) You later work on some open source project;

    3) The copyright holder of the proprietary source in 1) looks at the open source project and decides that some sections of the code look strikingly similar to their own code. They further discover that you wrote or contributed to those sections. They call their lawyer. Now, it may well be a combination of "coincidence plus a limited number of ways to do X" that caused the similarity, but you're going to have to convince a judge and/or jury of that. The other side will have to convince them that you copied it. They've got the striking similarity plus the fact that you've seen their source. What have you got?

    Now, since you've seen the Windows CE source, why don't you ask the Samba project if you can join, and tell them you've seen MS source code (whether legally or not doesn't matter; seeing it is all that matters) and see if they will take you on as a developer.

    I bet they won't.

  79. Windows is their baby by KalvinB · · Score: 5, Insightful

    MS's game department isn't what brings in all the money. It's their Windows and Office products that make the money.

    They can grin a bear it when some games are pirated. Why do you think they (try to) crush companies that make mod chips for the XBox? Some things are more important.

    And this is the source code to Windows. This is NOT just another product.

    Anyone who dares to host it will be sat on until they are dead. Hell hath no fury.

    Claiming this is just another product shows your definit lack of ability to comprehend the scope of this leak and the importance of it to MS's bottom line.

    The legal costs required to shut down warez sites over a game generally are more than the amount of the losses. The legal costs required to crush the fools who dare to host the Windows source comes nowhere near the potential losses due to the leak.

    Ben

  80. Transcript, before it gets Slashdotted... by Kinesthe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Microsoft Confirms Windows Code Leak
    ---

    Microsoft Corp. on Thursday confirmed that the source code for two versions of its Windows operating system has been leaked, a security breach that could give hackers important intelligence about how to exploit flaws in software run by most of the world's computers.

    "Today we became aware that incomplete portions of Windows 2000 and NT 4.0 source code was illegally made available on the Internet," said Microsoft spokesman Tom Pilla. "It's illegal for third parties to post Microsoft source code and we take that activity very seriously."

    Pilla said the company does not know how much of the operating system code was compromised, but he said Microsoft believes it was not a complete version of either operating system.

    There was no indication that the code was stolen through a breach of Microsoft's internal network, Pilla said. He said the FBI is investigating the matter.

    Computer security experts said the release of Windows source code could pose a significant threat to Internet security, depending on what portion of the code was leaked.

    A leak of any portion of the Windows code "could dramatically increase the probability that new zero-day vulnerabilities will be found," said Alan Paller, director of research the SANS Institute, a security training group based in Bethesda, Md.

    "Zero day" exploits are highly effective attacks that occur when hackers discover a way to exploit a security vulnerability before or at the same time as a software maker learns of the flaw. Attackers can then use this information to launch a virus or worm that exploits the security hole before a patch can be released to fix the problem.

    Thor Larholm, senior security researcher at Newport Beach, Calif.-based PivX Solutions, said the Windows source code file being traded on the Internet appears to be roughly 660 megabytes in size, about the size of one CD-ROM's worth of data. That is far short of the estimated 40 gigabytes of data that makes up the entire 40 million lines of code in the Windows operating system.

    Even a partial leak "is a potentially very serious problem for Microsoft," Larholm said. "Just look at the vulnerabilities that are discovered by people who didn't have access to the source code."

    The origin of the leak is not currently known. The Redmond, Wash.-based software giant closely guards the computer code that comprises the company's operating system. But Microsoft does license portions of its programming code to security researchers and more than 50 universities under its "Shared Source Initiative."

    Microsoft last year said it would began sharing complete copies of its source code with governments around the world that want to validate the security of the software before deploying it in national defense and other sensitive areas. Microsoft signed an agreement in 2003 that lets the Australian government inspect the source code of Windows 2000, Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. Other counties, including India, are exploring similar arrangements.

    Unlike open-source software like the widely used Linux operating system, the code comprising Microsoft's Windows software is not open for public inspection. Linux users are encouraged to participate in an open, continuous cycle of modifications and upgrades that its proponents say results in systems that are more secure and reliable than those powered by proprietary code like Windows.

  81. Re:No GPL - Lots of BSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, there are a few trivial and ancient/obsolete BSD command-line tools in Windows (finger, ftp, nslookup, rcp, rsh). They were ported from BSD, and you can see that they contain the appropriate copyright attribution. Note that none of the kernel-mode files (e.g. the TCP/IP drivers) contain any such strings.

    MS is naturally not opposed to using freely-available BSD code to achieve better interoperability with BSD/UNIX. MS Windows Services for UNIX, for example, includes a lot of modern BSD tools ported from OpenBSD. That's reasonable, of course, since it's supposed to provide a set of command-line tools familiar to UNIX systems administrators, and OpenBSD tools are known to be relatively good in terms of security.

    Importantly, MS's porting of OpenBSD userland tools to Services for UNIX is also good for OpenBSD, because it helps to establish those tools as something of a standard. If hordes of MS users become used to the OpenBSD userland tools, they'll be much likelier to start using OpenBSD if they want a UNIX-like OS than to start using, say, Linux.

    The common claim about the MS TCP/IP stack from open source zealots is that MS 'stole' the Windows TCP/IP stack from BSD because it couldn't write one of its own, which is of course complete nonsense. The handful of BSD tools in Windows are/were there to make it easier for UNIX users to access their systems from Windows. They're in no way critical to Windows as an operating system (in the way that, for example, a TCP/IP stack is).

  82. Tracker (dead.) by algeliten · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hmm. That's my tracker. And it's dead now. I probably should learn to not have a public tracker.. *sigh*

    Anyway, at least 1000 people got it down, so it shouldn't be too hard for some of them to make a new torrent. But I'm definetly not going to host it anymore.

    --
    alge of flauna
    http://alge.nlc.no/

  83. instances of "fuck" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    $ grep -r -i fuck *
    bsc/.glimpse_index:fuck?sMP
    bsc/.glimpse_index :fucks?sMx
    bsc/.glimpse_index:fucked?sM`
    bsc/.gl impse_index:fucking?sMj
    private/shell/applets/wel come/html/webapp.cpp: // HighContrast mode is turned on. This totally fucks our style sheet as most of it will
    private/shell/shell32/copy.c:// want to fuck with.
    private/shell/shell32/util.cpp:// the fucking alpha cpp compiler seems to fuck up the goddam type "LPITEMIDLIST", so to work
    private/shell/shell32/util.cpp:// around the fucking peice of shit compiler we pass the last param as an void *instead of a LPITEMIDLIST
    private/shell/shell32/util.h:// the fucking alpha cpp compiler seems to fuck up the goddam type "LPITEMIDLIST", so to work
    private/shell/shell32/util.h:// around the fucking peice of shit compiler we pass the last param as an LPVOID instead of a LPITEMIDLIST
    private/windbg64/debugger/tl/remote/ shell/windbgrm .c: // The user fucked up
    private/windows/media/avi/verinfo.16/verinfo.h : * !!!!!!!!!!!!!!DOING SO FUCKS THE BUILD PROCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    private/windows/shell/con trol/midi/map.c: // !!!this is fucked if a map goes to multiple physical devices

  84. "The Source" :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Security bugs.. Nah...
    $ grep -r strcpy -i . | wc
    10454 42054 1069145

    Where it was ganked from:
    There is a core dump file inside the windows 2000 (sp1) archive, it clearly shows that the source was stolen from a system at Mainsoft. The following url confirms that they did have access to the leaked code. http://mainsoft.com/news/press_releases/2000_3_22_ 01.html

    The actual strings which confirm this:

    PWD=/usr/ms/win2k_sp1/private/security/msv_sspi
    DOMAIN=mainsoft.com
    REPLYTO=eyala@mainsoft.com
    ORGANIZATION=Mainsoft Co. Ltd.
    MWBATCH_SERVER=lod:8000
    MSOFTLM_HOST=@xor
    MAINSOFTLM_HOST=@xor
    XAPPLRESDIR=/il2/users/eyala /app-defaults
    EDITOR=vi
    BASE_LIBPATH=/usr/lib

    1. Re:"The Source" :) by CoolVibe · · Score: 5, Informative
      Where it was ganked from: There is a core dump file inside the windows 2000 (sp1) archive, it clearly shows that the source was stolen from a system at Mainsoft. The following url confirms that they did have access to the leaked code. http://mainsoft.com/news/press_releases/2000_3_22_ 01.html

      Odd... That page doesn't exist anymore, and suddenly (according to their press page), nothing happened in March 2003.

      Guess who's in save-my-butt mode? :)

  85. Re:It's a TRAP!!! /Adm. Ackbar by GundyRage · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm submitting patches to the 2.6 kernel for the blue screen of death. I'm hoping they make it in to the next release.

  86. new Working Torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://torrent.spyderlake.com/download.php?info_ha sh=f03fc1e04869294d5644d3c8c5d0fb8f2d26aa59

  87. Interesting tidbits from the source.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    windows_2000_source_code.zip:

    4667 *.c files. 5601 *.h files. 2255 *.cpp files. 26 *.hpp files. 1456 *.cxx files. 961 *.hxx files. 148 .asm files = 15114 total "code" files.

    Lines of code:
    <...>@<...>:/stuff10/win2k# for i in `find . -name '*.c'`; do `echo `cat $i|wc -l``; done | perl -le '$sum = 0; while (<>) { $sum += $_; }; print "\nLines of .c code: $sum";'

    Lines of .c code: 4223425

    <shell command omitted for the rest..>

    Lines of .h code: 1205670
    Lines of .cpp code: 1763501
    Lines of .hpp code: 1684
    Lines of .cxx code: 1363944
    Lines of .hxx code: 194893
    Lines of .asm code: 78500

    Totalling 8831617 lines of code
    Some grepping..
    <...>@<...>:/stuff10/win2k# grep -r -i 'fuck' *
    ....
    private/shell/shell32/copy.c:// want to fuck with.
    private/shell/shell32/util.cpp:// the fucking alpha cpp compiler seems to fuck up the goddam type "LPITEMIDLIST", so to work
    private/shell/shell32/util.cpp:// around the fucking peice of shit compiler we pass the last param as an void *instead of a LPITEMIDLIST
    private/shell/shell32/util.h:// the fucking alpha cpp compiler seems to fuck up the goddam type "LPITEMIDLIST", so to work
    private/shell/shell32/util.h:// around the fucking peice of shit compiler we pass the last param as an LPVOID instead of a LPITEMIDLIST
    private/windbg64/debugger/tl/remote/ shell/windbgrm.c: // The user fucked up
    private/windows/media/avi/verinfo.16/verinfo.h : * !!!!!!!!!!!!!!DOING SO FUCKS THE BUILD PROCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    private/windows/shell/con trol/midi/map.c: // !!!this is fucked if a map goes to multiple physical devices
    Bugs anyone?
    <...>@<...>:/stuff10/win2k# grep -r -i 'a bug' *|wc -l
    408
    Curious; grepping for 'linux':
    private/ntos/udfs/udf.h:#define OSIDENTIFIER_UNIX_LINUX 5
    private/ntos/udfs/udf.h:#define OSIDENTIFIER_UNIX_MKLINUX 6
    'grep -r -i's with no results: GNU/Linux, GNU GPL. Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer,

    -- Hopefully Anonymous-Enough COWARD
  88. Re:It's a TRAP!!! /Adm. Ackbar by 0x0000 · · Score: 5, Informative
    I think it's worse than just a simple trap.

    The Reuter's article on Yahoo contains a number of inaccuracies that are clearly prejudicial, and are probably sourced within Microsoft.

    It (the story) amounts to an obvious attempt to spin up a scenario that will lead ultimately to criminal prosectution of persons involved in Open Source. And the story being such an obvious attempt at spin doctoring could lead one to believe there is more going on here than one poorly written news story...

    Apparently Gates & Co. have decided their civil case fronted by SCO is not quite strong enough, and are trying to establish criminal precedent in order that, whether the current SCO effort succeeds or fails, the next case will be criminal.

    One could hope that the courts will develop enough tech skillz to determine that the line

    for (int i=0; i < cnt; i++) {

    showing up in both windoze and Linux code does not constitute proof of theft under some Gatesien system of jurisprudence ...

    Examples of the (imo) prejudicial language in the story [emphasis mine]:

    ...copies of the source code [...] were being traded over the internet

    There is no evidence cited that the code is being "traded". It appears that it is being distributed, but I haven't seen any reports of it being exchanged for anything else. This is key, since the languaged used here implies a profit motive on the part of the alleged "traders"; necesary for the criminal prosectution because there is a need to establish that the code is worth a great deal...

    Source code is the ... lifeblood of any software company

    This sounds like it came straight out of a Microsoft publicist. It is an emotional appeal statement, designed to imply a henious threat to the alleged victim, Microsoft (and by implication, SCO).

    The statement is factually inaccurate, even as metaphore. Source code is a principle part of the products manufactured by most software companies, but expertise in the creation of source code is more properly the "lifeblood" of the company.

    Of course, Microsoft is a bit challenged in the expertise dept, but that should be applied to "any software company"....

    Microsoft has [...] shared its source code with close partners and carefully chosen organizations, with legal agreements that threaten litigation in the event of that any of is leaked.

    ...followed by...

    "It's illegal for third parties to post Microsoft source code [...]"

    If it is indeed "illegal" for 3rd parties to post the sources, then why would the aforementioned "agreements" require threat of civil action? If it's illegal, there should be no need to lititgate. The threats would be of prosecution, not litigation.

    Furthermore, the word "share" here is ridiculous. If you've ever looked at what it takes to get an NDA to look at M$ sources, there's no "sharing" to it. It's a business transaction, and it doesn't happen unless M$ gets the lions "share" of any potential benefit.

    Software companies that create programs running on Windows need access to source code to build their own products.

    WTF? Well, admittedly I haven't written any "programs running on Windows" in quite a few years, but I no idea things had changed quite that much... [that's sarcasm in case you can't tell; the statement is just plain wrong]

    Microsoft said that it was working with the Federal Bureau of Investigation and legal authorities to try and track the origin

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