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Hubble Snaps Farthest / Oldest Galaxy
starannihilator writes "Astronomers use gravitational lensing, a magnifying effect caused by the gravity / mass of galaxies, to capture images of the farthest / oldest galaxy known - from when the universe was just 750 million years old. Stories from the BBC,
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Hubble needs this sort of thing to keep it serviced. This is very interesting and in my mind at least partially justifies Hubble.
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Yay! Even more reasons to keep this guy around! It's a damn shame they want to deorbit Hubble. With this much invested into a telescope that STILL continues to function fine, why not just open it up for other uses rather than deorbit it?
I can't recall how many hundreds of times I have seen Hubble in the headlines over the last few years. The waiting list for Hubble time is insane, and the science has been among the best that NASA has ever done.
It's amazing to me that this "it's too risky" reasoning for the cancellation of the repair missions to Hubble is still being floated.
It's franky disappointing to me as American that we are such a nation of wimps now. I personally think it's more of a risk to send people to the space station in regards to the scientific return.
While I have seen hundreds of "discovered by Hubble this week" I have not seen one discovery in the news come from the station. It's usually fighting with the Russians or announcing it's going to cost ten times more than we thought to do one twentieth the science.
Yes, I am off-topic. But I'm mad as hell and not going to take it anymore!
WHY are we just letting the Hubble die again?
.. lets study it to learn more about the origins of the galaxy! Oh, we can't lease any more time on the Hubble because we're junking it remember?.
Oh yeah, thats right, NASA says that it costs too much to maintain, and it's getting close to its estimated end of life date.
Guess we better junk it because it seems we aren't getting any good science out of it. Whats that? oldest known galaxy huh? Cool!
Once again, I think NASA really needs to learn a very old saying that you don't junk something until you have a replacement. When the JWT is operational and snug in its lagrange point, then we can talk about whether or not to scrap the Hubble. Until then, I think its worth perhaps *outsourcing* a maintinence mission to another country (or private company) who thinks they can get the job done.
Who says we *have* to use the shuttle? Or is there something I am missing about the shuttle being the only craft that can work on the Hubble?
Then again, I can't think of anyone else that can get there at the moment either. And if they can, I suppose they would probably be more apt to put their own agenda's ahead of a NASA maintinence mission.
Oh well.
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It takes light a whole lot of years to make it this far. It sounds like this story should have started with: "A Long Time Ago in a Galaxy Far, Far Away..."
Only the BBC site had pictures. And a small one at that, that did not expand in opera.. with my settings.
Anyone have some really nice new picture links they are talking about?
if NASA is only bitching about not being able to finance the repairs, then why not lease it to another country? With some "creative legalties" we can have the leasing country fix it for us and return it good as new... But how many countries'll fall fall for that one?..
What can they do to gather funding from other than government sources? What other countries would like to help?
At one time I expected this telescope to the the most incredible scientific instrument ever built. But my enthusiasm for it was damaged when they neglected to test it before launch. Did the telescope project accept the responsibility for the failure, and cover the cost of the repair mission themselves? No. They went back to the well of public funding again. And they have done it since then again. I think the public has paid enough. Let's launch some new technology.
I understand the stupidity of de-orbiting Hubble, and I do think NASA should extend its life a little longer by doing the service mission. But don't you think all the sentimental slashdot comments is a little too sentimental? Just maybe Hubble is getting old, and it's time to put up a new telescope for replacement (hopefully or eventually)?
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That's about as old as my computer!
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...there's no mention of this at Dr. Dino, clearly this is a clever hoax... It's impossible anyhow since we all know the earth (and therefore the universe) is only 6000 years old!
(humor folks, humor)
As I understand it they cannot service hubble because of the danger to astronauts if the shuttle tiles were damaged (unlike the ISS, there is nowhere for the astronauts to "shelter").
How many shuttles are left? If there were two, perhaps one could go to the ISS on a supply mission, and following a test to check the tiles are OK a second could be launched to the Hubble. If the hubble shuttle had problems the ISS shuttle could go to the rescue?
Is this all skyborn 3.14? Yep, I'm sure NASA have analysed all these possibilities, but after wasting so many resources on ridiculous exercises it would be a pity if NASA abandoned the one thing that does a day to day useful job out in space!
In fact over 13 bilion years old...
So, we can apparently see [the light from] something 13 billion light years away, and find something 750 million years old, meaning we can see about 95% of the life of the universe.
How long will it be before we can get to the point where the whole universe was invisible?
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I'm sure glad Al Gore invented Hubble, just like he invented the Internet and the "sore election loser".
That was cool the first time they photographed the oldest galaxy but after the 50th time it's like "oh look, the Hubble photographed another oldest galaxy. Yawn." It's getting to be a one trick pony. If the Hubble doesn't want to be outsourced to India, it's going to have to come up with some fresh material to keep us interested. Why doesn't it try photographing soething else? Like Natilie Portman. Or the newest galaxy. Or it could go back to taking pictures of those dark rings around Uranus. I'm sure that the Hubble could come up with something creative it could photograph to rekindle the public interest...
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Why is the Hubble being scrapped when we don't have anything that can currently replace it?
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Well, it isn't off topic, but It feels that way with all the content about the decommissioning of hubble...
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A simple question (note, I have only superficial understanding of astronomy so this is probably a very stupid question.)
This picture/set of pictures shows a galaxy as it was less than a billion years after the bb.
How long does a galaxy take to form?
How long does a galaxy take to rotate (I have not seen the pictures, so do not know if it is a spiral galaxy or not)
Does a galaxy take longer to form (to the point this one shows) than is allowed for by our current estimates of the age of the universe?
Sorry, I will stop the off topic discussion now, and we can get back to talking about de-orbiting and such...
[...] from when the universe was just 750 million years old.
Yeah, I wish I could live for just 750 million years
Nobody want's us to care about this stuff, when Britney Spears will be on the ISS soon to rake in some money for the american flag on Mars. I've watched CNN and they already showed Britney dressing like a Cosmonaut with flowers raining from the skies and her tongue kissing the crew.
This is 2004. Science has been changed by the media and you better adapt.
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If that is a troll then I don't know why hubble should stay in orbit.
If this shed light when the galaxy was 750M years old, and the galaxy is expanding, this means when the galaxy was 750M years old that galaxy was much closer to where we are now. This would tell me that the galaxy alreay shined light on this segment of space, how is that light still here? How can light shine twice?
Just how strong can these gravitational lenses be? Caustics would sem to create a potential for extremely high light intensification. I wonder if any exterrestrial civilizations have been accidentally killed by a gravitational lensing event. Fortunately, I suspect that this is extremely unlikely because of the distances involved (a thousand-fold amplification of a galaxy a billion light year s away is no big deal).
Still, I do wonder if an unfortunate alignment of a supernova, blackhole, and an unsuspecting planet (on a scale of a few thousnad light years)could have tragic results.
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Erm, why do we know it's the farthest galaxy??? is there behind that galaxy nothing? or perhaps a sign that says: "no trespassing beyond this marker, there's absolutely nothing behind it"
Don't the astronauts have to do EVA anyway while doing the Hubble service ? I mean, they should be able to spare 10mins for checking the shuttle... No reason for a second EVA.
Ping times for that galaxy must be terrible!
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Why would someone kill this project?
Very stupid
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I'm coming increasingly to believe the space station is a bit of a dead duck and the issues that prevented the location of ISS in a higher orbit should have been addressed, so that it could do something really useful - like being a base where servicing missions can start and end from.
Then one would deliver a true shuttle which would flit between ISS and whatever hardware needed upgrading. Fuel and personel would be delivered to the space station alone as a starting and ending point.
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Do ya ever think they'll actually be able to see the edge of the universe?
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Farthest that we have been able to _RECORD_ yet you silly little turd ball.
Mod this shit back down please!!! DAMN, what do some moderators THINK when they mod idiot shit like this up. This post is as interesting as a log of shit full of corn kernels.
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space agency? If all the major nations combined their efforts rather than having a fragmented approach then surely things would get done and benefit everyone. Also it would create debate as opposed to politicains declaring equipment repairs unsafe and EOL them without a good analysis of whats going on.
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Maybe they can use it to find some originality in creating their own economy and industry instead of leaching like the parasites they are leaving disease, terrorism, and piss poor uncreative code.
This parent should be modded OFFTOPIC since the article was discussing a photo of the oldest galaxy we have recorded thus far...not Nasa plans to scrap the Hubble.
Interesting...fucking pinheads.
What I wouldn't give to be just 750 million years old again...
Life, the universe and everything seemed so simple back then.
In typical cya fashion, O'Keefe called on Harold Gehman, who led the Columbia accident inquiry, to review the decision. It's a bit of neener neener on O'Keefe's part because Gehman's commission nailed NASA for sloppy safety management policies.
What O'Keefe is saying to Gehman is "Look you SOB - you try running an agency that's being pulled 20 different ways and see if you don't start cutting corners."
Problem for O'Keefe is that there are plenty of ideas on how to both service Hubble and adhere to the Gehman's commission's advice. Not surprisingly, NASA management choses to ignore its engineers instead of listen.
Nasa will be well rid of Mr. O'Keefe when he leaves. Next time, maybe the powers that be will appoint someone with an engineering background to run the agency.
Gravetational lensing... marvellous.
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We know what we are doing.
Sure involving the rest of the shit for brains world might get things done faster but this approach sure paid off with the Beagle 2 and the tsunami of data it is providing us. Why don't we try to bring up the international standards to American one's before proposing this so Americans don't waste their precious time, money, and superior brains.
That's interesting / exciting!
Yeah whatever, someone is going to make post with that topic anyway.
Just use your imagination.
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It is certainly another excellent result for Hubble. But even for results like this, is it really worth $700 million to service Hubble(the cost of a shuttle flight and new instrumentation)? That is a fantastically large number. Now that the Bush administration has given NASA clear goals I hope they stick to them and resist the pressure to service Hubble. The James Webb telescope is coming.
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You're right, there's risk involved. The question is which projects do you decide to spend the remaining shuttle flights on? Do you continue to pour money down an ISS rat hole that has delivered ZERO peer-reviewed science, has no reason to exist other than pork barrel or do you allocate the flights to maximizing the remaining science?
NASA has already killed Compton, is on its way to killing Hubble and you think O'Keefe and gang will fund Webb? Perhaps you didn't notice, Webb has already been scaled back twice - the ISS money vacuum will continue to wreak its damage. Other posters have already pointed out that Webb and Hubble are not interchangeable - they see different spectrums.The problem is is that NASA will continue to lose public support if its only reason to exist is to fly the Shuttle back and forth between ISS. The ISS has no value other than job creation. Hubble on the other hand, provides both jobs and real science - the kind of science that gets published in Science and Nature. ISS science is the kind of science you find at the local county science fair, i.e., "What color does my dog like?"
Your post and O'Keefe's decision to kill Hubble clearly illustrate how poorly educated this country is. Equating Hubble and Webb and choosing ISS over Hubble are examples of what happens when half our children aren't taught science well enough to know that it takes a year for the earth to circle the sun. The cost of that poor education is you get people like O'Keefe running Nasa and the public doesn't know enough to say boo about it. We've lost the super collider, we're going to lose Hubble, 50/50 Webb will not fly, manufacturing, accounting, customer service and software have been outsourced but we'll have a worthless missile "defense" and plenty of boobies on fark.com. That's the cost of poorly educating people.
Yeah it is a safety issue. Sloppy attitude is a big part of flight safety. This includes the sustainment management of the craft. The idiots at NASA learned nothing from the first shuttle disaster, except how to act suprised at the revelation of their poor program management Nothing that firing some of the lead management couldn't fix to set a firm example.
"Astronomers use gravitational lensing, a magnifying effect caused by the gravity / mass of galaxies, to capture images of the farthest / oldest galaxy known - from when the universe was just 750 million years old. Stories from the BBC, Sign On San Diego, West Hawaii Today, or Mercury News."
So in other words, these astronomers are a bunch of voyeurs peeking at young starlets through big lenses. This is appaling! Young galaxies shouldn't be exploited in this manner, especially at such a fragile time in their existence, when they are just beginning to discover themselves. The galaxies scientists are viewing keep getting younger and younger as they attempt to reach the elusive "Big Bang". To make things worse, they shameless post pictures of their exploits on the Internet.
I was searching the net for an estimate on how many times have all the stars in the universe been "replaced".
Like for example all the cells in a human nose die and are replaced with new ones every 14 days (at least thats what I've heard).
Is there an estimate for the same thing about our universe?
If I'm not mistaken this could be calculated with a formula:
cycles = "age of universe" / "the longest life span of a star"
Any ideas?
ionized = transparent? i thought it was the other way around: neutral atomic hydrogen is transparent, ionized charged plasma is opaque. am i confused, or is it the article?
Hubble Snaps Farthest / Oldest Galaxy
I guess NASA is going to have to send a probe to glue that galaxy back together now, huh?
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It would be nice to have little robots in orbit to repair/refuel satellites. We could send them the parts each time a rocket is not fully loaded. And they could even repair one another.
IF we had a permanent base on the moon AND a lunar-based telescope, we'd have exposures of up to two weeks long!
BUT if Bush's plan is only a political game to win votes in Florida and Texas, we might as well try to make NASA change its mind on Hubble.
Is there any way to verify what these Hubble-peekers say about smudges? They could say, "The galaxy in the picture has the highest concentration of the rare giant purple dwarf pulsar blackhole wormhole exitportal star system, mysteriously found only in the astronomical age labeled "XB-66" and likely contains numerous supernovae remnant crystalline class QQQf planets from which all possibility life in the universe is speculated to have originated" and the public would believe it, because they have the degrees and we don't. Looks like a smudge to me.
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Funny. I went to cell online, typed "international space station" in the search box and this is what Cell said:
Only 750 million years after the big bang, this primal galaxy formed!!! That is amazingly quick. Our galaxy is purported to have taken a lot longer for it to form. The implications are immense.
NASA shows off galaxy for free.
SCO claims it made helium which are present in galaxies and thus galaxies belong to them and sure NASA for showing copyrighted picture of their galaxies.
Thanks to all those who provided updates since I posted this, when the news broke. I thought I'd add a few more: The news from Hubblesite, The Discovery Channel, Yahoo News, and from Innovations Report
from BBC: "The US space agency has confirmed it will not send another shuttle to upgrade the space telescope, which probably means Hubble has no more than three years of full observations ahead of it."
What will be the replacement? Perhaps a little Slashdot investigative journalism would lead us to an answer.
If you vote for Bush this November, the only pictures any space telescopes will take "next time" will be closeups of you, like every other Earthbound "suspected terrorist".
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After the unchecked torrent of lies from the Bush administration about everything, what makes you think they'll do *any* of the things they've promised the space program, once reelected in November?
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Why don't they auction it on ebay ?
Hubble : nice, powrfull telescope (works best in the dark, placed in orbit)
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.. Nasa take Hubble closer to Space Station, get outsourced indian tech for doing oil-and-pressure, have it close to cut shuttle-taxi costs... (proximity is dangerous, but what about a 1 mile distance ?)
... They take Hubble and point it BACK ON EARTH... if it is geostationery, they could get the best Territory Observation sat ever, capable of saying how many whiskers you missed this morning 8)
Nasa : has to make with what they have, go to the moon and take the money everywhere they can...
=> !!!::: NASA MISSION TO PUT HUBBLE ON THE MOON
preferably on the dark side thereoff...
=> !!! Nasa gets first permanent installment on Moon !!!
Lol (well, one has to do whith what one have 8)
Otherwise
Yes, plenty of possibility...
now, for this is slashdot, the paranoiac point of view
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Oh sure, maybe she has no experience with space, and she is dead.
But compared with the current O'Keefe, she's be a home run. Plus, I think she's a brilliant artist, or rather was.
Science keeps coming up with this proof that god didn't create everything in 168 hours. That in fact, there are plausible reasons why the earth and universe developed as they did, and while God may have had a hand, God likely does not a wave a magic wand.
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I realize that upsets a lot of people, including the president,
Oh hell, I'd like to bang his daughers, especially the blonde slut.
"and I know there is a lot of important research going on there."
Like?
You don't want to name this research because you know its all BS.
They should deorbit this space station ASAP and stop pouring money into a waste of time and effort.
Rather than advocating that NASA steal even more money from the taxpayer, why not create a private initiative to fund for the repair and improvement of Hubble? It's going to be in orbit for 3 more years, right? If enough people really think it's valuable, then that should be plenty of time to raise funds.
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The only research being done at the station is purely economic... that is, how many billions can a stupid piece of useless equipment in earth orbit suck up before somebody grows a set of balls and abandons it so that we can do real research in space?
The answer is not clear, but my guess is that its close to "Holy Shit, HOW MUCH????"
On a humerous note, maybe this phenomena of the gravitational lense can be used to help geeks see their penis'.
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
Why not just add a space telescope module to the ISS?
Thats what space platforms are supposed to be for, or
isnt the ISS flexible enough a system to handle this?
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BUT is there life there? When they find out, THEN let me know.
If you guys seriously want to do something from the comfort of your computer, you can:
/.ers outside of the US) go to: http://www.moontomars.org/notices/contact.asp and spam the hell out of the website and request that NASA for once get a goal of getting a moon-based observatory up there!(or any other ideas you may have)
Sign the Save the Hubble Petition (which is probably useless by now):
http://www.savethehubble.org/petition.jsp
or all of us (including
It might not do much (I wonder if they really do read the write ins), but maybe if they get a significant amount of requests in, they might pay attention more.
Or you can do it the proper way and write your Congress-critter.
Try not to let life get in the way of living.
Seriously, aren't the galaxy that are so much older than our own pretty likely to have intelligent life? And isn't other intelligent life the second greatest threat to humankind? (After humankind, of course.) I think all patriotic americans should support the call for nuking any galaxy more than 10,000 years older than our own. I'm sure our president will support me on this. Not that our current nukes will do much to a galaxy... No, we need to research MUCH MUCH bigger weapons first. A multiple-warhead delivery system with blackhole-creating warheads should do it. If they explode right along the gaseous edge of a star, they should only need to pick up a couple thousand tons of gas in the initial formation to become heavy enough to start slowly consuming the star... It will take a while, but that's the price of inerstellar war.
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One of these days, when the hubble or some other high powered telescope finds yet another farther distance, and older galaxy... ummm yeah, something of that extent. but i'll be old by then.
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They shouldve used image mapping to find pixel 45x68 where the *ACTUAL* farthest galaxy lies.
so how old IS the universe generally supposed to be anyway? is there a figure?
That's a speck of dust..
This one picture is likely more scientifically valuable than anything the space station has done, or probably ever will do. Nonetheless, NASA wants to pour tens of billions more into the space station, and abandon Hubble. Go figure.
Should read:
"Percentage changes, not many orders of magnitude like 6000 years would require."
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