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Ars Technica Looks At GNOME 2.6 [updated]
The Original Yama writes "Ars Technica takes a look inside the GNOME 2.6 Desktop & Developer Platform, due for release any minute now. It builds upon an earlier review of the GNOME 2.5 development series and their own examination of GNOME 2.4."
darthcamaro writes "internetnews.com is running a story about the release of GNOME 2.6 today. They actually got a hold of Miguel de Icaza who had some real interesting stuff to say about it and the Linux Desktop in general. 'de Icaza told internetnews.com that a simpler interface has been the goal of GNOME since at least version 2.0.'" Update: 03/31 21:59 GMT by T : sn0wman3030 was one of many submitters to link to the GNOME 2.6 start page, including links to screenshots, documentation, and source downloads.
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It would help if it had USB support.
or as Dean would say:
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Incidentally, I'm testing it out as we speak. The Spatial Nautilus is very very annoying - it's much like the default Windows behaviour of popping up zillions of windows that you always have to turn off every time you reinstall Windows.
Yes, I'm going to go back to kde 3.2.1 Not because of the spatial nautilus that I can disable, but because of the missing "column list" viewing mode in Nautilus. I'm the kind of guy that wants to see as much stuff as possible w/ one glance, without needing to focus my eyes too much.
Save your wrists today - switch to Dvorak
Geez I wish those GNOME developers would spare a thought for us Mac-heads - it's bad enough getting used to control-clicking but trying to work out what three different mouse buttons do makes my head spin. Preferably: remove the command line too.
The average age of the Infantryman is 19 years.
He is a short haired, tight-muscled kid who, under normal circumstances is considered
by society as half man,half boy.
Not yet dry behind the ears, not old enough to buy a beer, but old enough to die for his country.
He never really cared much for work and he would rather wax his own car than wash his father's
but he has never collected unemployment either.
He's a recent High School graduate
He was probably an average student,pursued some form of sport activities, drives a ten year old jalopy,and has a steady girlfriend that either broke up with him when he left, or swears to be waiting when he returns from half a world away.
He listens to rock and roll or hip hop or rap or jazz or swing and 155mm Howitzers.
He is 10 or 15 pounds lighter now than when he was at home because he is working or fighting from before dawn to well after dusk.
He has trouble spelling, thus letter writing is a pain for him, but he can field strip a rifle in 30 seconds and reassemble it in less-in the dark.
He can recite to you the nomenclature of a machine gun or grenadelauncher and use either one effectively if he must.
He digs foxholes and latrines and can apply first aid like a professional.
He can march until he is told to stop or stop until he is told to march.
He obeys orders instantly and without hesitation, but he is not without spirit or individual dignity.
He is self-sufficient.
He has two sets of fatigues
He washes one and wears the other.
He keeps his canteens full and his feet dry.
He sometimes forgets to brush his teeth, but never to clean his rifle.
He can cook his own meals, mend his own clothes, and fix his own hurts.
If you're thirsty, he'll share his water with you
If you are hungry, his food.
He'll even split his ammunition with you in the midst of battle when you run low.
He has learned to use his hands like weapons and weapons like they were his hands.
He can save your life - or take it, because that is his job.
He will often do twice the work of a civilian, draw half the pay and still find ironic humor in it all.
He has seen more suffering and death then he should have in his short lifetime.
He has stood atop mountains of dead bodies, and helped to create them.
He has wept in public and in private, for friends who have fallen in combat and is unashamed.
He feels every note of the National Anthem vibrate through his body while at rigid attention, while tempering the burning desire to 'square-away' those around him who haven't bothered to stand, remove their hat, or even stop talking.
In an odd twist, day in and day out, far from home, he defends their right to be disrespectful.
Just as did his Father, Grandfather, and Great-grandfather,
He is paying the price for our freedom.
Beardless or not, he is not a boy.
He is the American Fighting Man that has kept this country free for over 200 years.
He has asked nothing in return, except our friendship and understanding.
Remember him, always, for he has earned our respect and admiration with his blood.
I am a Mac OS X user and I have to say that I think that the UI of Gnome is appealing. If I was still using NetBSD, I would probably run it. (Hell, maybe I'll install YellowDog Linux and give it a try.)
Doing a search for technica reveals that slashdot links to that site frequently, yet in terms of content they deliver the same kind of news
Slashdot doesn't create content, but just links to articles. Slashdot is a portal; its only content are the user comments. Ars does great work and their articles are their content. Their stuff is definitely "News For Nerds. Stuff That Matters."
Does abody else think the screen shots look an aweful lot like Classic Mac OS?
The average age of the Infantryman is 19 years.
He is a short-haired, tight-muscled kid who, under normal circumstances is considered by society as half man, half boy. Not yet dry behind the ears, not old enough to buy a beer, but old enough to die for his country.
He never really cared for work and he would rather wax his own car than wash his fathers, but he has never collected unemployment, either.
He's a recent high school graduate, he was probably an average student, pursued some form of sport activity, drives a ten year old car and has a steady girlfriend that either broke up with him when he left or swears to be waiting when he returns from half a world away.
He listens to rock and roll, or hip hop, or jazz or rap and 155 mm Howitzers.
He is 10 or 15 pounds lighter now than when he was at home because he is working and fighting from before dawn to well after dusk.
He has trouble spelling, thus letter writing is a pain for him, but he can field strip a rifle in 30 seconds and reassemble it in less time in the dark.
He can recite to you the nomenclature of a machine gun or grenade launcher and use either one effectively of he must.
He digs foxholes and latrines and can apply first aid like a professional.
He can march until he is told to stop or stop until he is told to march.
He obeys orders instantly and without hesitation, but he is not without spirit or individual dignity.
He is self-sufficient. He has two sets of fatigues; he washes one and wears the other. He keeps his canteens full and his feet dry.
He sometimes forgets to brush his teeth, but never to clean his rifle.
He can cook his own meals, mend his own clothes and fix his own hurts. If you're thirsty, he'll share his water with you; if you are hungry, his food. He'll even split his ammunition with you in the midst of battle when you run low.
He has learned to use his hands like weapons and weapons like they were his hands. He can save your life - or take it, because that is his job.
He will often do twice the work of a civilian, draw half the pay and still find ironic humor in it all. He has seen more suffering and death then he should have in his short lifetime.
He has stood atop mountains of dead bodies, and helped to creat them.
He feels every note of the National athem vibrate through his body while at rigid attention, while tempering the burning desire to 'square-away' those around him who haven't bothered to stand, remove their hat, or even stop talking. In an odd twist, day in and day out, far from home, he defends their right to be disrespectful.
Just as his father did, grandfather and great-grandfather, he is paying the price for our freedom.
Beardless or not, he is not a boy.
He is the American Fighting Man that has kept this country free for over 200 years.
He has asked nothing in return except our friendship and understanding.
Remember him, always, for he has earned our respect and admiration with his blood.
...are you still shilling for the Macinotsh on Netware?
I am excited about the prospect of GNOME 2.6 making its way into Debian Sarge. with gnome 2.6 could be a really powerful desktop for more than a few years...Which is probably how long it will take Debian to release again...And I am sure if 2.6 made it to testing, it would push back Sarge's release date.
I'll give Gnome 2.6 a try. I find it more appealing as its team releases more versions. Its GTK library is one of my favorites to develop with. But I always got a "something is missing" impression with it (the desktop).
Besides, I know KDE is free software, but I think Gnome is "more free" for all platforms to use (ducks).
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File selector, after 4 years, finally it doesn't suck (and it's even a gnome thing but a gtk one)
Spatial nautilus, annoying to me. Good thing i can disable it.
Better performance in gnome-vfs. Not more the horrid performance of 2.4.
Improved epiphany. Bah. Back to firefox
Not much else. Back to kde for me
Open Source Java Web Forum with LDAP authentication
Isn't Miguel De Icaza gay???
and Ximian is far better than gnome. It has much more of a queer eye apearance. if you know what I mean *wink wink*
The average age of the Infantryman is 19 years.
He is a short-haired, tight-muscled kid who, under normal circumstances is considered by society as half man, half boy. Not yet dry behind the ears, not old enough to buy a beer, but old enough to die for his country.
He never really cared for work and he would rather wax his own car than wash his fathers, but he has never collected unemployment, either.
He's a recent high school graduate, he was probably an average student, pursued some form of sport activity, drives a ten year old car and has a steady girlfriend that either broke up with him when he left or swears to be waiting when he returns from half a world away.
He listens to rock and roll, or hip hop, or jazz or rap and 155 mm Howitzers.
He is 10 or 15 pounds lighter now than when he was at home because he is working and fighting from before dawn to well after dusk.
He has trouble spelling, thus letter writing is a pain for him, but he can field strip a rifle in 30 seconds and reassemble it in less time in the dark.
He can recite to you the nomenclature of a machine gun or grenade launcher and use either one effectively of he must.
He digs foxholes and latrines and can apply first aid like a professional.
He can march until he is told to stop or stop until he is told to march.
He obeys orders instantly and without hesitation, but he is not without spirit or individual dignity.
He is self-sufficient. He has two sets of fatigues; he washes one and wears the other. He keeps his canteens full and his feet dry.
He sometimes forgets to brush his teeth, but never to clean his rifle.
He can cook his own meals, mend his own clothes and fix his own hurts. If you're thirsty, he'll share his water with you; if you are hungry, his food. He'll even split his ammunition with you in the midst of battle when you run low.
He has learned to use his hands like weapons and weapons like they were his hands. He can save your life - or take it, because that is his job.
He will often do twice the work of a civilian, draw half the pay and still find ironic humor in it all. He has seen more suffering and death then he should have in his short lifetime.
He has stood atop mountains of dead bodies, and helped to create them.
He feels every note of the National athem vibrate through his body while at rigid attention, while tempering the burning desire to 'square-away' those around him who haven't bothered to stand, remove their hat, or even stop talking. In an odd twist, day in and day out, far from home, he defends their right to be disrespectful.
Just as his father did, grandfather and great-grandfather, he is paying the price for our freedom.
Beardless or not, he is not a boy.
He is the American Fighting Man that has kept this country free for over 200 years.
He has asked nothing in return except our friendship and understanding.
Remember him, always, for he has earned our respect and admiration with his blood.
I have a prediction:
20% of posts will be about random crap about linux moving into the future.
30% of the posts will be about why KDE and/or Windows has such a superior interface and how they can't understand why people care about Gnome and why gnome sucks in general.
10% Of posts will be people disecting and ridiculing a minor feature that they may potentially find unpleasent or a feature that is lacking.
15% Of posts will be comments on how Linux has lots of work to get into the desktop market and they have to do so and so just to be a acceptable desktop OS for people who don't give a f*ck in the first place about what sort of OS they use.
5% Of posts will be about how cool 2.6 Gnome is and how cool Linux is in general
2% Of posts will contain critisms and information that will be remotely usefull to anybody.
The rest are trolls.
Does anyone have any news on this?
Yes, your statement is true. While I could go to all the different sites to find my daily news, I try to save time by going to Slashdot. They link to different news articles that II may interested in. They've recently linked to techjapan, ars technia, and toms hardware. I'm sure those site publish great articles that Slashdot doesn't always pick up on, but Slashdot does provide a general overview.
On a similar note, I used to visit all the deal websites each day to make sure I don't miss out on a hot sale. To save time, I started this page to collect them all in real time. Anyone can use it and search deals from multiple websites. Clicking a link takes you to the orginating web page. So I guess I'm running a portal like Slashdot by merely linking to other sites.
The "spatial metaphor" sounds pretty lame.
Looks like someone was trying too hard to do something "revolutionary".
Wow, it remembers the last folder you where in! So does the file browser on freaking xmms.
Everytime you click a folder it opens a new window? That sucks! Ya it can be avoided with a middle click but why do that in the first place, since everyone is obviously just going to use middle click. I wouldn't say that's a bug but it certainly isn't a "feature" either.
until gnome comes up with an integrated all-in-one development IDE ala' kdevelop, I'm not using it.
Well, that, and because gnome is slow as ass compared to kde.
Haw, Haw.
Iraqi Freedom Fighters just blew 5 imperialists into tiny peices of meat!
Those one's won't be able to come home in a box, perhaps a plastic sack will hold what's left them though.
I wish he would have commented on the speed of 2.6, rather than just talked about what looked pretty or not.
I have a linux RH 9 install on a i386 box. I recently upgraded to gtk+2.4 (in a futile attempt to get rhythmbox working).
My question is: should I bother upgrading to Gnome 2.6 or just stay with the 2.x installation that came with RH9? I fear that attempting the upgrade will ruin my existing gnome installation. Or, at least, all the RedHat specific stuff will stop working.
If it ain't broke don't fix it?
... I don like Gnome that much anymore.
Besides the panel and the fact it uses gtk, I disagree with a lot of things, like absurdly minimalist configuration options AND documentation AND a regedit-like nightmerish hell with also minimalist documentation.
Anybody has successfully compiled e17 ? (yes. I am aware its not supposed to be usable/compilable yet)
I have been waiting for it a looong time, and it seems there is always wan problem or another.
I remember I compiled once its file system when in e15 or e16 something, and It was really nice.... but haven been able to compile e17 ever.
Now, that is something I really want to see...
errera hunamum ets
I could to totally wrong on this, but from what I've seen great features are being removed from really cool apps in this absurd strive for a "simpler interface"
Case in point:
Xchat used to have this GUI option called "Old Nick Completion" (Its like zsh's tab completion, but for IRC) But now it doesn't. The code for the function is still there, but the GUI option is not. No offense to the xchat guys, but this easily robs people of a great IRC great experience.
For proof of what I'm talking about:
a) look at this patch: Xchat Old Nick Completion Patch
B) the Mandrake Xchat package ships with the above patch
C) download the Xchat source code, and take a gander. Then notice how your own Xchat installation is missing this great feature
Lets not dumb down GREAT SOFTWARE like Xchat!
Sunny Dubey
A related question. I have been of late working with a Gentoo install. Once GNOME 2.6 is released, on what timescale will the 2.6 packages (and the new Epiphany, yum) show up in a normal emerge -u world? Like, are we talking minutes? Days? Weeks? Months?
When does the Gentoo community/coderbase tend to consider such things reading for unmasking?
Irritable, left-wing and possibly humorous bumper stickers and t-shirts
I've been working with Linux for over five years. It is too difficult and too buggy to upgrade or install something like Gnome or Gimp or KDE.
Gnome (and GIMP and KDE) needs a "double-click to install" program. I spent large portions of three days last week trying to compile and install GIMP 2.0. The dependencies were impossible. It still doesn't work.
Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
I don't suppose there's a Xchat patch floating around somewhere that makes Xchat-2, have, you know, normal copy and paste, like the other GNOME apps, is there? You know, so those of us familiar with other OSes who like linux but think auto-copy-on-text-select is stupid can feel at home.
The difference between ./ and Technica is that slashdot can bring down Technica whenever it wants.
When was the last time a release of Windows was delayed by a security intrusion?
Will Slashdotters continue to make fun of Microsoft security when GNOME, Debian, Gentoo, GNU/FSF, and more have all been hacked in the span of the last six months?
Installing Gnome 2.6 on your Red Hat 9.0 will "ruin" all the Red Hat stuff, in the sense of setting everything to Gnome defaults rather than Red Hat modified defaults. A better option for you would likely be to wait a couple of months for Gnome 2.6 to be integrated into Fedora and then upgrade your installation to Fedora.
If however you are really keen you could try the Fedora Core 2 RC2 release. Though it is only a relase candidate (RC) it does ocntain Gnome 2.5 which is the beta version for the pending release of Gnome 2.6
Oh...for that you go to the "File Management" preferences and set "Text Beside Icons".
:-). Another view mode would have been more intuitive, but what the heck.
You could also turn on "Compact Layout", but that's pretty ugly.
Thanks for the tip, I feel much more at home already
Now, I might even be giving that spatial thing another shot...
Save your wrists today - switch to Dvorak
Hahahaha! Die cocksuckers, die!
No mention?
Not important?
Preliminary (and subjective) testing indicates that it isn't good when compared to the competition; CDE, GnuStep and having just loaded the current KDE, it looks like that is faster as well. Testing commonly used stuff; Menu operations and such over a LAN.
Bugger... Anyone know of a platform I can build an objective test suite on, for the various competing GUIs rather than relying on a stopwatch? I've found lots of Java specific and Web specific stuff...
One of the benefits of Unix I suppose. On Windows you get Windows and so have nothing to compare with.
Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
my moaning professor's wet, moist pussy.
Thanks.
I totally agree! But, I expect some moron to start yabbering on about how great Gnome is because they concentrate on a quality UI and have a HIG.
It's great to have a standard and to require your apps to follow that standard but, when the standard is bizarre, counter intuitive, or just stinks that makes you UI and apps....
why epiphany, and not galeon?
Nice to see this interface ("spatial whatever") being put to proper use outside of the Mac.
I was at a lug event at Novell Brainshare where he basically said the same things. He focused more on the Mono project and really extolled its cross platform abilities. He also showed some of the new features of 2.6 it really does simplify some things.
How much of a pain is it to change distributions?
I.e. if I upgrade to Fedora Core, will I have to backup all my data, reformat my hard drive, and then copy all the data back?
I keep hearing that I should switch from RH to Slack | Gentoo | SuSE - so I guess this question applies for them as well.
Of course, I have a spare 40 gb drive...so maybe I could just install one or more distributions onto that HD and configure GRUB accordingly?
Why do simple things like the file selector dialog box take FOREVER to get implemented anywhere near decently in GNOME/KDE? Simple things that really should be fixed almost immediately go on forever having horrendous interfaces.
At some point I'm going to get so pissed and just take up the code axe to them both.
Right, there's me thinking that for once a /. banner advert is useful - its got info on a new Sigur Ros and Radiohead thing. So I click on it, only to find out that the bloody thing is iTunes exclusive! Fecking bastages! Some of us are outside the US, and so can't get stuff from there.
If this is the future of music distribution, I'm going back to vinyl.
"I Know You Are But What Am I?"
Having a new version of GNOME every 6 months strikes me a perfect compromise between adding new features and improving exisitng architecture. The bottom line is that these last few releases of GNOME have felt consistently polished.
So far, I love using the latest 2.6 (ok, strictly speaking: 2.5) version. Even sweeter, the 2.8 version is already promising to be a significant improvement with new applications and better infrastructure!
Thanks and great job GNOME developers and testers!
Nautilus seems to get it incredibly right, though. Although I've yet to use it for myself, Nautilus seems to immitate all the right things from the spatial Finder of old. (I haven't actually used Gnome since version 1.4, but I'm tempted to take another look.)
Kudos to the Gnome team, it's looking better and better with each release.
Seriously though... It's been tried on both the Mac and Windows and the conclusion has been almost unanimous: sure, it's nice for newbies to copy ten, twenty, maybe even fifty or so files, but it doesn't scale. It simply isn't practical for large amounts of files, which Apple noticed in time for OSX. Besides, had the Gnome team read "About face", they would know that UI design isn't all about catering for newbies.
Lemon curry???
Sunfreeware does not have any version of Gnome and Sun only has 2.0 available.
...except for the Mac users, whom, from whom i've talked to, have almost unanimously been demanding it back ever since it got Steved.
For those of you who don't like the new Spatial Nautilus (like me) there are a couple of things you could do to go back to the "old" way of browsing files.
/apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser
:)
You could right-click a file, and select "browse from here" (or something like that, can't remember).
Or, for a more permanent solution, check the following key in GConf:
Enjoy!
First off for a minor update it seems totally nuts to jump to a completely different paradigm for file management. Its just wrong throwing this out to users who are used to the other way of handling files for years. This should have been done at 3.0, not at 2.6. Second, the old behavior should STILL be default. The spatial setting should be secondary but let the user know he/she can try it. You don't just switch the way things have been in such a major way with no transition period. That's the thing about Gnome they seem to just make major changes to the way you interact with your PC between releases without any notice.
Another example that comes to mind is the way they up and switched the "Yes" "No" "Cancel" dialog out of the blue. Right now the way Gnome does it is just bass ackwards to the way 95% of the world is used to. Sure I'm used to it now, but any Windows or KDE user who tries out Gnome will find themselves clicking on the wrong button because Gnome has it backwards. That's what happened to me after getting used to the old Gnome way.
The people in charge at Gnome just don't seem to want to ever settle down and let people get comfortable with the way they interact with the OS. Next release the File Selector will probably be further modified and you'll have to relearn they yet again. It just seems that there is all of this talk about Gnome and their superior HIG methods yet the things that shouldn't be changing get changed with every release. Pick a file selector, pick a file manager setup, pick a file confirmation dialog and stick with it, Forever. Stop changing the basic ways in which we interact with the OS with every release.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
They link to different news articles that II may interested in.
"II"? What is this? Show me your clone making facilities!!
"I DARE you to make less sense!"
"GNOME is turning into something that is really pleasant to use," he [de Icaza] said. "I can happily say that GNOME 2.6 is up to the level of MAC OS X usability."
Suuuuuuurrre it is. And I've got a bridge to sell you cheap.
Don't get me wrong; I hope he's correct. If so, Linux will really start to make some serious inroads on the desktop. But unless 2.6 is really a quantum leap, I don't think it's true.
Mac's are still the all-time usability champs. You can take people who are deathly afraid of computers and they can use a Mac after a short while. So I'll believe it when I see it.
Garg
Garg
Alumnus, Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters
The majority of the posts I'm seeing that are 'anti-gnome' stem from the sheer fact that all of you out there are more than just computer users; you are programmers, devleopers, engineers, students, enthusiests, etc. Gnome is not directly targeted toward you.
The Gnome Desktop is very forward looking, as what it does is based on the assumption that Linux On The Desktop will be truely realized one day, and it is preparing to meet the needs of those future (read: not yet existing) Linux users. That isn't to say that Gnome can't be used by any contemporary Linux user with an advanced computer knowledge, it's just not made tailored to you guys. Play around with it. Get to know it a bit more. Then customize to you're liking. Gnome can work however you want it to. That's one of the more beautiful aspects of it.
As for the so-called lack of intuitiveness, this is just plain false. Gnome is as intuitive as a never-used-a-computer computer user can experience (without violating any patents!). Beacuse realistically, the _user_ needs only their home directory with a few sub directories (Documents, Pictures, Music, Movies, etc.). You don't need more than a window or two to manage them. That aforementioned Linux _user_ of the future will appreciate how easy it is to drag and drop between these folders in multiple windows. For the rest of you, it's your duty to discover that parent folder widget as well as the "Browse Folder" option in the right-click menu (i think that's where it is).
In reality, the future linux user (and really all users) will only need to access files as items in a niche program like Rhythmbox or OpenOffice/AbiWord which specifically deal with a particular document type.
I agree that maybe nautilus-cd-burner doesn't jive well anymore. Something along the lines of Mac OS X's 'Burn to CD' radioactive icon is needed somewhere, or something. Thse sorts of things are minor, however, since the Gnome desktop is still not in its future where Linux is mainstream, they still have time to figure out how to manage this issue. In the meantime, chill out, or invest time in compiling k3b.
Slashdot seems to be full of impulsive radicals who vehemently stick to their OS/DE/Apps of choice, and are quick to insult anyone or anything else that's not their favorite. It's a strange sort of application bigotry. Of course, ignorance plays no part in bigotry...
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in mozilla you can choose to middle click links to pop them up in tabs, this does not mean you "have a situation where which button to use depends on which app you are using." it means users can choose what behavior they want.
The feature that keeps me using KDE instead of GNOME is ALT-Click. In KDE, if you ALT-Rt.click on a window, you can resize by moving the mouse. It is much nicer than having to find a 2 pixel wide bar and clicking on it. Combine this with ALT-Lt.click to move any window without having to catch the title bar, and window management becomes much easier and quicker.
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
gosh that was hard to figure out...
you smoke crack if you think there has been no notice about the switch to spatial mode went without any notice. how is near weekly artilces on slashdot, gnome desktop and tons of info on the gnome 2.6 start page count as "without any notice". same goes for dialog button ordering... it wasn't out of the blue at all, it was well reasoned and publicized. just because *you* dont like it doesnt mean its right. take a look around at some major websites (which is what 95% of real users end up interacting with all day) and you'll find that button ordering is not very standardized at all.
a simpler interface has been the goal of GNOME since at least version 2.0
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHH
hey troll bitch.
post a link to gentoo being hacked.
i'm waiting....
i didn't think so, cause gentoo wasn't hacked..a mirror site running a different operating system was.
also, what you are pointing out is (minus gentoo), that THREE linux installations have been hacked.
3.
is that all you have?
from someone in the security field, I can tell you that security breaches on companies windows systems happen 30 TIMES.
a day.
in one average sized city.
but you aren't going to hear about it, because the CIO is shitting his pants, and most of the time quietly calls us in under the guise of a "standard security audit"...all the while trying to keep the CEO/COO from finding out.
windows servers are being owned, around the planet, at an incredible rate...but the whole thing is "hush hush".
the whole Microsoft industry is like that...and it spreads to the customers.
don't rock the boat, sweep it under the rug.
on the other hand, sure quite a few linux/*bsd installations get owned, but they are underrepresented, and most of the server owners come out and tell EVERYONE.
You see it all the time at LUGS.."hey joe my box got owned"
so Gnome, Debian and GNU got hit.
big fucking deal.
they'll own up to it, fix it and move on. stronger this time.
what about the 574 other distributions, and 1893 other linux organizations?
what about those?
no AC.
I've got you pegged.
and I've got your name, address and phone.
Next time you post, I'm gonna post your info to slashdot, usenet, iirc and put it in a windows/Outlook trojan/worm so that just about everyone on the planet who uses a computer, will know what kind of puke you are.
from the article: "It helps that Nautilus' performance has improved remarkably with this release."
the last time a windows desktop was released.
it's called "devil's own"
and the operating system is called "windows xp"
and it was the biggest fucking heist this century you fucking moron.
preferences->input box->"nick completion suffix
/nick. (And thanks to some odd Xchat bug, it only works with a single char, though some of the code clearly supports using more than a single char.)
Is not the same at nick completion. That only adds whatever you desire to the end of of a completed
Sunny Dubey
I think this is great news, as I'll finally have a file management program that works the way *I* want it to work. I'm really surprised at the amount of hate this is getting; you can just turn the option off if you don't like it, people.
Prior to this it too often seemed like all the serious file managment options boiled down to: "You can have a file manager that works however you want, as long as it's some minor variation on Windows' browser metaphor".
Choice is a good thing.
Generally agree, but one intrigues me:
don't rock the boat, sweep it under the rug.
How the hell did you manage to sweep THE BOAT under the RUG ?
Although it isn't completely clear cut, it seems that KDE takes a lot of inspiration from Windows Explorer (yes I know it does a lot more), while Gnome seems more like MacOS Finder (but isn't as good yet). I guess the majority of computer users (including the /. crowd) comes from a Windows background, which may explain why they feel more at home in KDE than Gnome.
so we're not going to tell you where it is!
Penguins are so sensitive to my needs - Lyle Lovett
it certainly looks like a fools day release.
When a post becomes too insightful, it often becomes funny.
....been mostly offline too long I guess... Sorry for the side issue in the discussion, but reading the ars technica piece, it talks about this sun java desktop? China gonna slap it on 200 million PC's? Huh, never heard of it before. Does it work, suck, any reviews or personal experience here, generally wuzzup with the thing? My experience with generic java stuff is that they are slow and buggy on my olden daze hardware.
Thanks in advance and stuff...
Spatial interafaces are not new or revolutionary, but they are extremely effective. I'll let Ars Technica do the talking: they have a really good article that discusses the MacOS Finder and what a spatial interface is. It will give you a better understanding about what Nautilus is trying to accomplish.
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man gnome-apt
Unlike the windows registry, each GConf app includes the schema with the keys it uses, including its type and documentation. If that key does not exists, it means it's not supported by your currently installed version of nautilus.
If it does exists, selecting it at gconf-editor will allow you to see it's value, type, and documentation.
The problem appears to be built into the widget set. Network performance is poor.
Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
"Performance is truly irrelevant."
What a stupid statement.
Performance is vital. With X11 it isn't just the individual application performance which is important. The performance of the underlying widget set is also vitally important.
X11 is a network transparent display system. If the network performance of the GUI is unacceptable, it'll be virtually useless in a corporate environment. Unless you're an idiot and the best you can come up with is to put a full workstation on every desk.
For example. Running a full screen CDE session over an ADSL link is slow but perfectly usable. Gnome on the same machine over the same link on the other hand is completely unusable.
Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
I presently like neither Qt/KDE nor Gtk/GNOME.
Qt/KDE is out of the question. However, I could
get excited about Gtk/GNOME if Gtk was to start
making use of the X resource manager and the X
Intrinsics (Xt) as IMHO it should have from the
beginning. If these changes were incorporated
into Gtk/GNOME I could/would probably become a
GNOME convert.
For anyone else interested in benchmarking X applications, there is a Perl module which is designed to perform user interaction.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/x11guitest/
It means that you can automate the testing of whole GUI applications or individual widgets.
Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
I don't know what the problem is specifically, but if you have a couple of machines with KDE and Gnome loaded and a wireless (or other lower bandwidth higher latency) setup, you can demonstrate it yourself if you configure your display manager to allow remote logins for a while.
Gnome has a noticable lag or latency on virtually every operation; Menus, buttons, redraws. You might just rationalise it as network latency but...
KDE on the other hand is instantaneous for all of the above, it's as good as local. Same machine, same network connection and similar operations, the difference being the widget set. It's a very similar story for CDE and GnuStep. As far as I can see, Gnome is just slow.
Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
Spatial finder. Great. Wonderful. I don't care what .1% of the computer population, the honourable geek says, it's up to now the only proven intuitive UI there is. .1% - and I myself don't mind using the NeXT-OS X column view.
/. comments, I do begin to understand the advantage of choice choice choice in Linux, even though that means I get to choose between tons of "almost there" soft and environments.
It would be good to include other options as well, if only to please the 99% developers contained in that
Simplicity. KISS. Incredible how so many people who can't seem to program their VCR think a computer should be complicated in order to be fun. It's not only stoopid people who appreciate a direct and simple approach.
Takes a lot of proven mac concepts (button placements, verbing the buttons instead of making everything OK, all-right) and at the same time a few good Windows conventions (column view with explorer-like sidebar, a My computer "place for all your drives and stuff).
If Linux aspires to become the computer for the masses, something like this might do the trick. But when reading all the
I think, therefore I am...I think.
I was browsing through the User Screenshots and noticed an interesting looking GKrellM-like application on the right side of this screenshot. Can anyone tell me what app that is?
In that case, why use GNOME at all? Why not just use Sawfish, ROX, Mozilla, Emacs, and [insert non-GNOME, non-KDE application here]?
Answer: because you want the cohesive user experience, apparantly.
(I did indeed use random seperate apps, until I said "screw it, I want eye candy" and switched to MacOS X)
I'm really looking forward to this GnomeVFS abstraction layer while saving and opening. What I've read (without having yet compiled it for Gentoo) has already gotten me into some fun conversations with my Linux-using friends:
Allan: "Whoa, whoa, Gnome's getting _really_ smart!"
Me: "No, it's getting really STUPID. It only understands opening and saving.
Gnome: "FTP? Yeah, I'm not sure what that is, but I'd sure like to save this document right now to this location.
GnomeVFS: "Sure thing." *** 1337 under-cover action ***
Gnome: "Oh, you can do that for me? Cool!"
- Kurt
Just out of curiosity, if Gnome really wants to be as newbie friendly as possible, how come they still use double-clicks (not to mention this double-middle-click idea in Nautilus)? One thing I have noticed is that total newbies have a hard time double-clicking ("Hmm, nothing seems to happen, should I wait some more or try again?"). In my opinion, this is one area where KDE has got it right.
Of course, this is probably a gconf setting or something, but the Gnome paradigm is to have sensible defaults, isn't it?
Also related: Scriptable VNC session control:
rfbproxy
rfbplaymacro
When was the last time a release of Windows was delayed by a security intrusion?
We don't know. Microsoft is not obligated to tell anyone.
I wouldn't be surprised if _EVERY_ Windows version had been delayed by a security intrusion, god knows enough of them have been delayed for years.
I'm surprised you managed to get RH9 to install ...
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