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Kernel 2.4.26 Out

StupidKatz writes "Fresh from the oven, the fine folks at kernel.org have released 2.4.26, filled with such yummy goodness as fixes for those damnable mmap() vulns, among other things. Remember to use your favorite mirror!"

218 comments

  1. Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It's too bad that the -lck patch is not out yet for 2.4.26.

  2. Hum...matching up? by rffmna · · Score: 2, Funny

    Linux trying to match up Microsoft's security releases? +P

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    1. Re:Hum...matching up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i really wonder how many bugs exist in linux, that had it been mainstream OS like windows is...if it would be getting hacked left and right

      incepco.com
    2. Re:Hum...matching up? by abradsn · · Score: 1

      We'll know soon enough.

    3. Re:Hum...matching up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux is still not an OS. And yes, it matters because windows is a mono OS. Everybody runs IE/Outlook. In Linux it's up to the distributions to use mozilla/konqueror evulotion/kmail/mutt. Everybody uses different programs. Thats a strength when it comes to security.

  3. Slashdot user preferences by Bingo+Foo · · Score: 0, Funny
    StupidKatz writes...

    And I thought I blocked his stories...

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    1. Re:Slashdot user preferences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why overrated? Is there anyone who has found the preferences page who didn't block Katz?

    2. Re:Slashdot user preferences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Overrated because the /. principals have the power to smackdown.

  4. Oh boy oh boy oh boy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny
    Wait, I don't know shit about Linux.

    Never mind.

    1. Re:Oh boy oh boy oh boy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know shit about Linux.

      Well then, if you don't mind me asking...

      Why the hell are you here?

    2. Re:Oh boy oh boy oh boy! by cujo_1111 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      /. isn't a linux fanboy site anymore... it is 'News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters', Linux isn't the only thing that matters.

      In fact, I would bet that at least 50% of regular readers are windows based here. And of that 50%, shock horor, only and small number use Mozilla. Oh the heresy :)

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    3. Re:Oh boy oh boy oh boy! by Foggy1 · · Score: 0

      Well, when Longhorn comes out, there'll be a post about it. Happy?

    4. Re:Oh boy oh boy oh boy! by Eudial · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can't alter the site just because some windows-scumbags start liking it. Instead, you make it render really bad in IE and lock up windows so that they need to start using a proper OS.

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    5. Re:Oh boy oh boy oh boy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When that happens, I know then that Linux is becoming like Microsoft.

      Plus, you would alienate half of the /. readership...

    6. Re:Oh boy oh boy oh boy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this not funny? Oh yeah, because Linux/unix/bsd zealots are as annoying as windows zealots.

    7. Re:Oh boy oh boy oh boy! by Eudial · · Score: 1

      I never realized there /were/ Windows zealots. It's basically just a bunch of people to lazy to migrate to Linux.

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    8. Re:Oh boy oh boy oh boy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's basically just a bunch of people to lazy to migrate to Linux.
      And gamers.
      And people who don't have the time to devote to making Linux run right.

    9. Re:Oh boy oh boy oh boy! by selfabuse · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wouldn't say that 50% are "windows based". I'd say a good portion of the number just believe in using the best tool for the job. I personally have about 5 debian machines, but my desktop and laptop are Windows (w/ vmwared linux machines for when I really need it). So, the computer I post to slashdot on is "windows based", but I have more linux machines. It's simply because I use the best tool for the job, and linux kicks ass for what I use it for, but isn't quite up to snuff on the desktop yet. I'd bet a good portion of the people that post to slashdot and use windows on thier desktop feel the same way.

    10. Re:Oh boy oh boy oh boy! by larry+bagina · · Score: 1
      slashdot renders fine in IE. Rendering is fucked up for firefox and lynx though.

      View the page source sometime. It'll make you think you travelled back to 1998.

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    11. Re:Oh boy oh boy oh boy! by Knetzar · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Yup...part of the problem is that windows is better for somethings then linux is. For example, games.

    12. Re:Oh boy oh boy oh boy! by freeweed · · Score: 1

      Don't worry. The next Windows kernel version will get press on Slashdot.

      Assuming you're still reading Slashdot in 2006/7... :)

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    13. Re:Oh boy oh boy oh boy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, wide readership is more important than following the W3C Nazis. Who the fuck put them in charge of the net? Screw 'em. I'd prefer to have many readers rather than a few web standards zealots.

  5. Yum! by mr_clem · · Score: 2, Funny

    mmmhmmm, i cant wait to get my lil hanies on this one... too bad im on a lousy 56k while my ISP restructures... arrgh

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    1. Re:Yum! by RugbyHoe · · Score: 1
      Yeah me too but it still won't help *nix users get laid.

      $> cd /pub
      $> join woman.fox alcohol.xxx
      $> return 127.0.0.1
      $> unzip; strip; gawk
      $> touch; locate; finger
      $> latex; mount; login
      $> fsck; more
      $> fork; continue
      $> backend; ram
      $> yes; yes; yes
      $> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
      $> logout; unmount
      $> curl; sleep; reset
      $> head; whoami
      $> yes; yes; yes
      $> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
      $> eject
      $> bye
  6. When by odano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When are they going to start using bittorrent to start distributing these things?

    1. Re:When by rokzy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      hopefully never

    2. Re:When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You and your kiddie pals can use bittorrent if you want, everyone else will use the faster and less error-prone 100mbs kernel.org.

    3. Re:When by Sn_wC_t · · Score: 1

      whats wrong with .torrent? it worked for miami

    4. Re:When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When are you going to get a clue and simply download the diff between this version and the last version?

    5. Re:When by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      So then firewalled people can only download at 1-2k/sec? That wouldn't help me out too much...

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    6. Re:When by prog-guru · · Score: 1, Informative

      If you set up a static mapping on your firewall on the right port, it works much better.

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    7. Re:When by reub2000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      When it's bigger than 500MB

    8. Re:When by Paladin128 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What would be REALLY interesting is if the kernel source had a script triggered by something like "make update" that downloaded and installed the diff.

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    9. Re:When by rokzy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      it is completely unreliable and shouldn't be used for anything important.

    10. Re:When by mj2k · · Score: 4, Funny

      just when I thought I'd be able to dl the kernel, the release is announced on /.

    11. Re:When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't do that on my Cisco firewall/router, because I don't have a static IP address.

    12. Re:When by avalys · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Port mapping doesn't need a static IP address. Just look around in the configuration screens / CLI, you'll find the option. It might be called port forwarding instead.

      Sorry I can't give any more details, but I don't have much Cisco experience. It's a top-level menu on my Siemens.

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    13. Re:When by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I don't have access to my firewall. I'm firewalled against my will.

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    14. Re:When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it took less than 6 min on 1.5mb/256k DSL. stop complaining.

    15. Re:When by Surye · · Score: 1

      Yea, because multipassed checksumming is so error prone. And leeching is not always the desired goal. Sure there's a 100mbs kernel.org, but the mirrors are there for a reason, and this would be a distributed mirror. Grand idea.

    16. Re:When by evanbd · · Score: 1

      Well, it's already got a script that does the updating, at least in 2.6.

    17. Re:When by yngwie0 · · Score: 1

      Actually, kernel.org is currently using a _250_ Mbps connection.

    18. Re:When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, thank you for saving the Internet with your 128k DSL upload. You are so noble and valiant.

    19. Re:When by damiam · · Score: 1

      When the kernel.org bandwidth meter maxes out.

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    20. Re:When by Zutroi_Zatatakowsky · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Already done, in Gentoo.

      "emerge -u gentoo-sources" will fetch the current stable release and install it. The only thing left to do it the usual "make dep && make clean bzImage modules modules_install". Now, replace "gentoo-sources" with the sources set you prefer (mm, grsec, development (2.6), gaming, vanilla, etc.)

      But sure, if it was implemented at kernel level, it would be easier for non-gentoo users to update to next stable release. Could be made as a modules I guess. Love/Cox/Tosatti, I hope you read this. :)

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    21. Re:When by AngelofDeath-02 · · Score: 1

      I'd use BitTorrent to download it instead of using kernel.org's bw, or a mirror. Besides, its not like you couldn't get it the old fashoned way ... Another good step would be to run a bt client on the mirrors themselves. They could always joint seed files that need it, Then the diff/full versions would be available all the time, and it is almost garaunteed to work, vs my experience with mirrors where you have to trial and error till you find one with a good speed (sorry slackware mirrors, you're all either full or slow) Heh, they have a .torrent too btw. I dont think it's seeded by the mirrors though ... (would be nice) And yah normally BT's suck, too small and you spend most of your time waiting for connections, too large and you upload more than you download because no one seeds after they finish. But the BitTorrent's that rock are the ones where the actual file distributors also seed, so you wind up with 150K/s seeders to help speed things up. Mozilla uses this on their 1.7b installer file, I got my file nice and fast ... (over 300K/s) And for the record, I may not have a T3 university line, but my upload is faster than average, 384kbps. So I can still seed at a respectable 47K/s (I just don't, keep it at 40 so my internet doesn't suck)

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    22. Re:When by grahamdrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...except that gentoo doesn't use a diff at all from version to version (at least not kernel version, patch level is something diffrent). Every kernel source build in the portage tree downloads a FULL source tarball (linux-2.4.26.tar.bz2) and then patches that. 2.4.27 comes out tomarrow? You're downloading another 30M tarball (or whatever they're running nowadays).

      I don't mean to rag on portage, it's a great system. It certaintly doesn't use diffs as the grandparent mentioned, though.

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    23. Re:When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know about the rest of you, but it's quicker for me to download the whole file (takes a few seconds) than to work out how to properly apply the patch.

    24. Re:When by Tokerat · · Score: 1


      The same can be said about Windows, and look how popular THAT is!

      *slinks back under the bridge, tail between legs*

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    25. Re:When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about the rest of you, but it's quicker for me to download the whole file (takes a few seconds) than to work out how what the hell bittorrent is, download and install a client, and work out how to properly use it.

    26. Re:When by Zutroi_Zatatakowsky · · Score: 1

      True, but is there a repository of diffs for each new version? If it's possible to download only the diff files, it could be done with Gentoo. I'll look into it.

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    27. Re:When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you decide to stop whining about what other people are doing and do it yourself.

    28. Re:When by diegocgteleline.es · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Already saw ketchup?

      http://www.selenic.com/ketchup/ketchup-0.5 :

      ketchup is a script that automatically patches between kernel
      versions, downloading and caching patches as needed, and automatically
      determining the latest versions of several trees. Example usage:
      $ ketchup 2.6-mm
      2.6.3-rc1-mm1 -> 2.6.5-mm4
      Applying 2.6.3-rc1-mm1.bz2 -R
      Applying patch-2.6.3-rc1.bz2 -R
      Applying patch-2.6.3.bz2
      Applying patch-2.6.4.bz2
      Applying patch-2.6.5.bz2
      Downloading 2.6.5-mm4.bz2
      Downloading 2.6.5-mm4.bz2.sign
      Verifying signature...
      gpg: Signature made Sat Apr 10 21:55:36 2004 CDT using DSA key ID 517D0F0E gpg: Good signature from "Linux Kernel Archives Verification Key "
      gpg: aka "Linux Kernel Archives Verification Key "
      owner.
      gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
      gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the Primary key fingerprint: C75D C40A 11D7 AF88 9981 ED5B C86B A06A 517D 0F0E
      Applying 2.6.5-mm4.bz2

    29. Re:When by essdodson · · Score: 1

      cd /usr/src && make update

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    30. Re:When by koali · · Score: 1

      cd /kernel/source/directory/
      patch -p1 </path/to/patch

      Decompress the patch before.

      It might be fast, but someone's paying the bandwidth for the mirror.

    31. Re:When by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 1

      to apply a kernel patch from kernel.org. cd /usr/src/linux ; patch -p1 /home/me/downloads/kernel/patch-2.6.5.bz2 ; make oldconfig

    32. Re:When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...except that gentoo doesn't use a diff at all from version to version (at least not kernel version, patch level is something diffrent).

      No, but it was an excuse to, yet again, plug gentoo. It wish these zealots would just fuck off.

    33. Re:When by discogravy · · Score: 1

      so you're saying when Microsoft releases their own linux distro?

  7. Perfect Timing by Foggy1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Two days after I upgrade to 2.6.5. Wonderful.

    1. Re:Perfect Timing by INeededALogin · · Score: 1

      2.4.26 vs. 2.6.5 I think you will be happy with the scheduler improvements alone.

    2. Re:Perfect Timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Two days after I upgrade to 2.6.5. Wonderful.

      You get what you pay for. Crybaby.

      LOLLMAOOMGROFLAFAIK!!!!!!!!!11!

  8. Why still 2.4? by zx2c4 · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Why do people still use the 2.4 branch? Why not move onto the 2.6 branch? Why doesn't the kernel team devote their work for the new?

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    1. Re:Why still 2.4? by afra242 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Servers at work for example all run 2.4.x. It will be hell to unleash 2.6.x just like that.

      And 2.4 works great - why break something that works fine? We haven't run into any issues whatsoever.

      On my Debian box, I run 2.6 but users aren't depending on it to work without issues.

    2. Re:Why still 2.4? by 0racle · · Score: 5, Informative

      Stability. Not every linux installation is on some geeks desk, some applications and installations require absolute stability, or as close as you can get, that means nothing but bug fixes. 2.6 might be called the stable branch, but its relatively untested compared to 2.4. Other then that, give me one good reason to move my 486 to 2.6.

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    3. Re:Why still 2.4? by mattdev121 · · Score: 0

      Mainly because certain n00bs (see author's username) have no clue why xconfig, menuconfig and config straight out fail when he tries and compiles 2.6.X

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    4. Re:Why still 2.4? by Eudial · · Score: 5, Informative

      2.6 is alot bigger than 2.4, so if you are running on a slow computer, or perhaps a low-memory computer built into something (fridge or car?) you might want to use 2.4 or maybe 2.2

      And we've always got the really conservative "in my days the kernel was 200 Kb of sourcecode"-people.

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    5. Re:Why still 2.4? by rokzy · · Score: 1

      because why upgrade important systems unnecessarily? often there's nothing to gain, probably just break something. the updates are just bug fixes etc to keep it usable.

      a crude comparison would be "why does MS release security patches for 9x after XP was released?"

    6. Re:Why still 2.4? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People have systems that depend on the 2.4 kernel. Either because of hardware incompatibility, or people that already have 2.4 systems deployed and don't want to throw in the variable of getting 2.6 working with everything.

      Most people work on the 2.6 branch, but 2.0, 2.2, and 2.4 are still maintained. Why not? People should not need to upgrade their whole system just to get security fixes.

    7. Re:Why still 2.4? by zx2c4 · · Score: 1

      Good point. 2.4 is more tested.

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    8. Re:Why still 2.4? by Bobulusman · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are a few things that aren't quite up to speed in 2.6, such as my nforce2 drivers.

      That said, the whole idea of numbering system for linux kernels is that a user/company can keep using known stable kernels until they are comfortable/able to switch to the next kernel set.

      There are still businesses out there running 2.2 and 2.0, from what I read on slashdot.

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    9. Re:Why still 2.4? by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

      What's the problem? It's only 700kb now..oh...that's the patch..

    10. Re:Why still 2.4? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my 486 runs 2.6. Really. And it even runs noticably faster.

    11. Re:Why still 2.4? by qualico · · Score: 1

      I can *not* get my Digium Zaptel drivers to compile under 2.6.

      So there goes my Asterisk install.

      To answer the question Why still 2.4?

      I'm guessing many others have the same trials and tribulations with third party drivers and software.

    12. Re:Why still 2.4? by abradsn · · Score: 1

      If you can afford to upgrade from a 386 to a 486, I think you can handle 2 points in a minor kernel version. :)

    13. Re:Why still 2.4? by dinivin · · Score: 1


      I'll upgrade as soon as my they fix whatever is wrong with the 2.6.* firewire code. All the releases of 2.6 (as well as the latest snapshot from the linux1394 website) bomb with my firewire drive which works just fine with 2.4.25. I load the ieee1394 module, the ohci1394 module, and the sbp2 module, and the kernel starts spewing SCSI errors. All my posts on this subject to the linux-kernel mailing list (and as of this afternoon the linux1394 mailing list) have gone unanswered.

      Dinivin

    14. Re:Why still 2.4? by destiney · · Score: 2, Informative


      give me one good reason to move my 486 to 2.6

      Cause it'll run like a 586!

      My P133 thanks me every morning for giving it a 2.6 kernel.

      The 2.6 kernel is quite a bit faster if stuff like performance matters to you. Think back to when you had a 2.2 kernel on there, why'd you upgrade to 2.4 again? :)

    15. Re:Why still 2.4? by reub2000 · · Score: 1

      I'm still running 2.2.20 on my debian server. If it aint broke, don't fix it. But I'm using 2.6.5 on my gentoo desktop though.

    16. Re:Why still 2.4? by cybermace5 · · Score: 1, Troll

      I no longer have the time to sit and tweak kernel configs, follow endless loops of dependency problems, hunt on the web in search of answers until I find myself trying to understand something in Russian, recompile to fix an error, fail to fix it, and add another error...I've given up on 2.6 until some major distributions other than Mandrake are actually set up to use it. Go ahead and blame me for being stupid, but I've compiled hundreds of kernels, worked out config problems, and never run into a dead end before.

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    17. Re:Why still 2.4? by JanneM · · Score: 1

      There's plenty of hardware out there that still has issues with 2.6 (using IDE HD:s over firewire, to take one example). And for some software, moving to 2.6 is painful - more pain that it is worth in some cases. If you have a machine that does whatever it does perfectly well under 2.4.x, it makes sense to simply upgrade the 2.4 kernel as needed rather than spending the extra time and effort needed to reliably move to 2.6.

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    18. Re:Why still 2.4? by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      The System Admin steps into the room. Gazing over the computing resources massed before him.

      He speaks without looking at his second in command, "At my signal, unleash Hell."

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    19. Re:Why still 2.4? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      same reason my critical servers are running 2.2 series.

      only an absolute fool upgrades without a critical reason.

      I am betting your crud doesn't make you $30,000.00 an hour. mine does... so it stays wher etrhe atable and MAINTAINED kernel is until it actually needs to be moved.

    20. Re:Why still 2.4? by Mr.Ned · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you looked at 2.6-tiny?

      http://www.selenic.com/tiny/

      "The aim of this tree is to collect patches that reduce kernel disk and memory footprint as well as tools for working on small systems. Target users are things like embedded systems, small or legacy desktop folks, and handhelds."

    21. Re:Why still 2.4? by neurojab · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >2.6 is alot bigger than 2.4, so if you are running on a slow computer, or perhaps a low-memory computer built into something (fridge or car?) you might want to use 2.4 or maybe 2.2

      That's interesting. I suppose for ultra low memory situations, it might be easier to stick with 2.4... I wonder how much different the memory footprint is for an absolutely bare-bones kernel. I suspect the difference would not be large, and may even be negative. If you want to run some applications in addition to the kernel, you probably want to go with 2.6 for its enhanced memory management.

      If you're talking raw speed, 2.6 clearly wins, even on slower processors.

      Remember, Linux is not like Windows. It usually gets FASTER with each release.

    22. Re:Why still 2.4? by Linwood · · Score: 0

      because if lots of people didn't work on making yet *another* branch of something to download and make you wonder if you should do the same in linux, it wouldn't be linux.

    23. Re:Why still 2.4? by shfted! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If it's got a low amount of ram, having the new io scheduler would be quite nice. If you use a 486 as a mail server as I do, this can result in some benefit.

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    24. Re:Why still 2.4? by CaptnMArk · · Score: 1

      For me, my mouse wheel doesnt work with 2.6 on my KVM switch. Until I can fix this I'm staying with 2.4

    25. Re:Why still 2.4? by Simon+Lyngshede · · Score: 1

      Because the afs support in 2.6 is a joke.

    26. Re:Why still 2.4? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is AFAICS no AFS support. There is only this minimalistic kernel-afs driver which as also been available for 2.4 as a patch.

      No idea about the OpenAFS status, though.

    27. Re:Why still 2.4? by Yehtmae · · Score: 1

      Well, you're using open source aren't you? Fix it yourself. (Sorry, I've had a bad day at the orifice...)

    28. Re:Why still 2.4? by caluml · · Score: 1
      Servers at work for example all run 2.4.x. It will be hell to unleash 2.6.x just like that.

      Erm, why? I have a large XFS raid box just moved over to 2.6.4.
      13:50:34 up 2 days, 3:30, 2 users, load average: 1.08, 1.02, 1.01
      It's OK so far. Admittedly, it's not a 24/7 five nines sort of place. I looove the IPSec stuff in 2.6 though - that makes it worth it just for that. emerge ipsec-tools. Yum.

    29. Re:Why still 2.4? by diamondsw · · Score: 1

      You're trying to upgrade Red Hat, aren't you?

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  9. The kernels out??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Never in a million years would I have guessed it was gay.

  10. dang it! by skydude_20 · · Score: 1

    i've almost finished downloading all the new mandrake cd's and they're already out of date

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    1. Re:dang it! by zx2c4 · · Score: 1

      Just install the patch. kernel.org/.../patch-2.4.26.bz2

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  11. Re:cannot run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dude, you downloaded the Mac version. You need to be sure to get linux-2.4.6.exe.

  12. herr Knopper will be charmed by jacquesm · · Score: 1

    I hear he is just about ready to get the iso out...

    back to the drawing board I guess ;)

  13. fuck i can't read by skydude_20 · · Score: 1

    i wish we could delete these things

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  14. Well well, by On+Lawn · · Score: 4, Insightful


    I've just got to say, I think Marcello's done a great job on the 2.4 series. For having to be part political leader, part CS genious, and part referee he's not given many people a reason to complain.

  15. And then... by tcgwebs · · Score: 5, Funny
    And then the new kernel fixes old bugs, and implements new features, which will have bugs, which the next patch will fix, which will implement new features, which will have bugs, which the next patch will fix, which will implement new features, which will have bugs, which the next patch will fix, which will implement new features, which will have bugs, which the next patch will fix, which will implement new features, which will have bugs, which the next patch will fix, which will implement new features, which will still have bugs.

    Damn. Maybe I should switch to Windows. Oh.. wait..

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  16. Fixed references (& relevant debian-security u by crimsun · · Score: 2, Informative

    Philippe Troin is one of many who crossed-checked the CAN list. Here are the relevant fixes in 2.4.26.

  17. Is this why Slashdot and OSDN were down for hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Today... around 2pm-3pm Pacific Time...

    osdn.com [66.35.250.177] reports: Destination protocol unreachable.

  18. Why is this news on Slashdot? by ScottGant · · Score: 1

    They didn't cover the release of 2.6.5...or 2.6.4 for that matter. Why cover a 2.4 variant?

    Just wondering.

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    1. Re:Why is this news on Slashdot? by wed128 · · Score: 1

      many of us are still stuck on 2.4 thanks to driver issues etc. That's why it's news. My laptop runs 2.6 like a pro, but the intel 536EP winmodem drivers won't let me run it on my main system

    2. Re:Why is this news on Slashdot? by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 1

      It probably has to do with how many other worthwhile stories they have. If it's a slow "news" day, they run things like this.

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    3. Re:Why is this news on Slashdot? by qtothemax · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They did:
      2.6.5
      2.6.4
      Since slashdot is a major place to discuss and learn about linux, I think it's newsworthy because the kernel is the heart of linux. This is always the first place I hear about new kernels, plus the discussions usually tell what is new in it so I dont have to sift through the changelogs.

    4. Re:Why is this news on Slashdot? by ScottGant · · Score: 1

      Ah, I missed those items then.

      Oh I agree that Slashdot should cover the releases...but I was in error when I said they didn't cover the 2.6.5 and 2.6.4 kernels...and since I thought they hadn't, I was questioning why they were for the 2.4 kernels.

      But you set me straight, thanks...

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    5. Re:Why is this news on Slashdot? by apdt · · Score: 1

      because the kernel is the heart of linux

      <pedant> actualy, the kernel is Linux</pedant>

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  19. never pet a burning dog by Sn_wC_t · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    i can't wait for the next one already!

  20. Re:cannot run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Do they have a Windows installer?

    WiX is open-source, it doesn't take a genius to create a launcher off Microsoft's official Windows installer.

    Also, what's up with kernel usability? Didn't they read ESR? Where's a nice GUI for my Uncle Selma?

  21. +3, Funny? by Foggy1 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Clearly a mod hates me and makes light of my misfortune. Actually, I really don't care about a 2.4 release. Why is this /. news?

    1. Re:+3, Funny? by Foggy1 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Okay, somebody gave it an Overrated. I'm satisfied.

  22. Third party drivers, etc by phorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well... in the case of my servers - I would need up go to dump the debian/stable modutils in favour of the (I believe still debian/unstable) module loader for a 2.6 kernel (can't remember which it is, but I've done it a few times upgrading desktops). This of course requires upgrading a bunch of other dependant crap.

    And then there's the 3rd-party drivers. RAID controllers, etc etc. Yes, I know 2.6 is supposed to possibly figure out drivers from older kernels, but do I really want to trust that? Some of these don't have 2.6 drivers. Hell, for some they 2.4 drivers were a recent thing... I had a machine which I called the vendor to specifically get a 2.4.xx driver for a multi-modem system since the box was still running 2.2 before a hardware upgrade.

    Being at the latest-and-greatest is good if it provides a noticable benefit vs the drawbacks up grading. In this case, it doesn't.

    1. Re:Third party drivers, etc by Malc · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you need to take a look at backports.org. Actually, it sounds to me like you really don't have any need to upgrade to 2.6 yet.

  23. Hmmm... by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

    I've been putting off the seemingly arduous task of moving to 2.6.x...maybe I should just scratch my itch by upgrading to a newer 2.4.x kernel..

    1. Re:Hmmm... by mh101 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think it's an arduous task... I thought it was going to be a big task too, until I asked on the Gentoo forums. I was told that I just need to do the usual "compile sources, update bootloader" procedure.

      Or maybe that only works with Gentoo...?

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    2. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not THAT hard if you are using a distro like Redhat 9 or newer.

    3. Re:Hmmm... by MikeCapone · · Score: 1

      Allow me to refer you to your sig.

    4. Re:Hmmm... by demon · · Score: 1

      I've done it on several of my Debian machines, and it's hardly been arduous. Out of all my personal boxes, only one remains running 2.4.x - and that's because of (a) a buggy USB device driver in 2.6.x, and (b) the em8300 driver that I use. Other than building the kernel, as long as your system is reasonably up to date, all you need to install is the 'module-init-tools' stuff that 2.6.x needs for module loading, and you're ready to go.

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    5. Re:Hmmm... by Quattro+Vezina · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not hard at all. Well, no harder than upgrading to a newer 2.4. I just upgraded to 2.6.x other day, and it was easy. Just check to make sure everything you need is enabled in the config, and that's all you have to worry about.

      I suppose it depends on your distro tho...I'm a Gentoo user, so I don't know how it's different on another distro.

      FYI, on Gentoo it went something like:

      $ su
      # emerge -v gentoo-dev-sources
      # cd /usr/src
      # rm -f linux
      # ln -s linux-2.6.5-gentoo linux
      # genkernel all --xconfig
      (insert configuration here)
      # nano -w /boot/grub/grub.conf
      (insert bootloader editing here)

      Btw, the new Qt-based xconfig rules. I remember hating the old xconfig (and actually preferring menuconfig), but qconf is great.

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  24. You see, this is what gets you in trouble: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Straight out of the changelog:
    http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel /v2.4/Change Log-2.4.26

    David Mosberger:
    o ia64: Drop copyright notices on header files

    1. Re:You see, this is what gets you in trouble: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      next ChangeLog entry: drop "drop copyright notice" comment from ChangeLog.

      That's a very astute observation. These open source folks are feeling a bit emboldened after getting away with misappropriating code belonging to SCO.

    2. Re:You see, this is what gets you in trouble: by colinleroy · · Score: 1
      According to this page, the exact changelog is:

      <davidm@tiger.hpl.hp.com> (04/01/23 1.1474.119.7)
      ia64: Drop copyright notices on header files which are either entirely trivial
      or ended up being trivial variations of another file. Fix some
      missing attributions and rephrase existing attributions for specifity.
      (this comes from 2.6 tree, it must have been backported to 2.4 a little later). Which changes a bit the meaning of the shortened log.
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      blah
  25. MOD PARENT DOWN! STUPID JOKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on, this is the lamest joke I've ever heard.

    1. Re:MOD PARENT DOWN! STUPID JOKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new here :)

    2. Re:MOD PARENT DOWN! STUPID JOKE by tcgwebs · · Score: 0

      So? It's still accurate and realistic. In fact, besides the Windows comment, I was 100% serious. I just went a bit crazy on the copy-paste thing.

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  26. Not mremap(), but these! by fifirebel · · Score: 5, Informative
    <KARMA TYPE="whoring">

    Okay... This is the result of a cursory check, do your homework folks!

    • CAN-2004-0003

      The R128 DRI bounds checking bug is a potential local root exploit.
      According to this patch 2.4.26 contains the fix.

    • CAN-2004-0109

      The isofs bug. It is locally exploitable iff you have hardware access or if you can induce someone to mount a compromised medium.

    • CAN-2004-0177

      The ext3 information leak. It cannot lead to any exploit and has only the tiniest chances of giving an attacker any usable information.

    • CAN-2004-0178

      The SoundBlaster Denial of Service.

    But no, no mremap issues...

    </KARMA>

    1. Re:Not mremap(), but these! by aceat64 · · Score: 1

      The SoundBlaster Denial of Service.

      For some reason that sounds terribly funny.

    2. Re:Not mremap(), but these! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly, it doesn't make any sound at all.

    3. Re:Not mremap(), but these! by No.+24601 · · Score: 1
      # CAN-2004-0178
      The SoundBlaster Denial of Service.

      That's right.. we're fighting back against DRM - one bug report at a time!

  27. Multicast RSync by jd · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    Hey, reliable multicast would make the upgrades less painful for many millions.


    2.4.x is important, but why the quiet on 2.6.x releases? And when is the 2.7.x tree starting? Some new features were SLOW to be added last time - even Microsoft beat Linux on IGMPv3, and that's bad!


    Linux needs to be top of the heap (or stack) and to do that, development needs to be faster, with more features being added and less time spent on the politics.


    Remember, you can't debug a tic. But the tic can damn near kill any project it infests.


    Release Early, Release Often, Release Boldly. You don't move forwards by going back. And in this game, staying still is the same as going back.

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    1. Re:Multicast RSync by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux needs to be top of the heap (or stack)

      What? That's a buffer overflow problem waiting to happen.

    2. Re:Multicast RSync by cilix · · Score: 3, Informative
      Linux needs to be top of the heap (or stack) and to do that, development needs to be faster, with more features being added and less time spent on the politics

      You clearly haven'y spent much time reading the linux kernel mailing list.

      Kernel development is actually remarkably unpolitical. That list is dominated by technical discussion not politics. I'm not saying that politics doesn't come up (especailly just after Linus started using bitkeeper :-) but for the most part it's an extreamely technical forum - as it should be.

      Linux may not be on the top of the heap, but it's climbing it, not falling back. I'd suggest that that is an indication that the speed of development is just fine.

    3. Re:Multicast RSync by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Hey, reliable multicast would make the upgrades less painful for many millions.

      I seriously doubt even 10,000 people on the Internet have "reliable multicast" access. Most ISPs do not support multicast traffic.

  28. 2.6.5 is latest stable but.. by destiney · · Score: 5, Funny


    Debian users need new news too I guess.

    1. Re:2.6.5 is latest stable but.. by sirReal.83. · · Score: 2, Informative

      Excuse me?

      kernel-image-2.6-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on 386.
      kernel-image-2.6-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
      kernel-image-2.6-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP.
      kernel-image-2.6-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on AMD K7.
      kernel-image-2.6-k7-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on AMD K7 SMP.
      kernel-image-2.6.3-1-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.3 on 386.
      kernel-image-2.6.3-1-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.3 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
      kernel-image-2.6.3-1-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.3 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP. kernel-image-2.6.3-1-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.3 on AMD K7.
      kernel-image-2.6.3-1-k7-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.3 on AMD K7 SMP.
      kernel-image-2.6.4-1-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.4 on 386.
      kernel-image-2.6.4-1-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.4 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
      kernel-image-2.6.4-1-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.4 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP.
      kernel-image-2.6.4-1-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.4 on AMD K7.
      kernel-image-2.6.4-1-k7-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.4 on AMD K7 SMP.
      kernel-image-2.6.5-1-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.5 on 386.
      kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.5 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
      kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.5 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP.
      kernel-image-2.6.5-1-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.5 on AMD K7.
      kernel-image-2.6.5-1-k7-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.5 on AMD K7 SMP.

      kernel-tree-2.6.3 - Linux kernel tree for building prepackaged Debian kernel images
      kernel-tree-2.6.4 - Linux kernel tree for building prepackaged Debian kernel images
      kernel-tree-2.6.5 - Linux kernel tree for building prepackaged Debian kernel images
      kernel-image-2.6.4 - Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.4.
      kernel-image-2.6.1 - Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.1.
      kernel-image-2.6.3 - Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.3.
    2. Re:2.6.5 is latest stable but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/kernel-s ource-2.6.5

    3. Re:2.6.5 is latest stable but.. by imroy · · Score: 1

      *Ahem*

      saavik:~# cat /etc/debian_version
      testing/unstable
      saavik:~# uname -a
      Linux saavik 2.6.5 #3 Sun Apr 11 14:17:30 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux

      taliesin:~# cat /etc/debian_version
      testing/unstable
      taliesin:~# uname -a
      Linux taliesin 2.6.5 #2 Sun Apr 11 22:54:33 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
    4. Re:2.6.5 is latest stable but.. by oddfox · · Score: 1

      I think your system clock is slow a few days, bud. :)

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    5. Re:2.6.5 is latest stable but.. by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 2, Informative

      That is not the system time. uname -a gives you a timestamp that shows when the currently running kernel was compiled.

    6. Re:2.6.5 is latest stable but.. by oddfox · · Score: 1

      Mayhaps it's been a while since I've fooled around in my Gentoo system.

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    7. Re:2.6.5 is latest stable but.. by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      "Debian users need new news too I guess."

      So, what is 2.2 up to by now?

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    8. Re:2.6.5 is latest stable but.. by destiney · · Score: 1


      Color me confused.

      I thought the whole reason why you guys ran Debian is cause you like to run old software. And then here are some of you sporting new kernel from the 2.6 tree. Next thing you know you'll be using non-free stuff like pine. Heh..

    9. Re:2.6.5 is latest stable but.. by sirReal.83. · · Score: 1

      I guess people like to jab at Debian because we maintain something that's actually worthy of the title "Stable," but I myself use sid and enjoy a very high rate of updates. I'm currently running KDE 3.2.2 for example right now. What's that, you say, it hasn't been released? Well, not to you maybe, but Debian's got it.

  29. Re:Fixed references (& relevant debian-securit by fifirebel · · Score: 1
    Damn you, I've just posted a summary of my post here.

    All that lost karma!!! It should be mine!!!

  30. Re:Is this why Slashdot and OSDN were down for hou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their server's BSD was dead, but paramedics were able to revive it.

  31. It's so obvious it should be Gary Oldman.. by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 5, Funny

    CmdrTaco: You want news?
    ScottGant: I think I'm entitled to it.
    CmdrTaco: You want news?
    ScottGant: I want stuff that matters!
    CmdrTaco: You can't handle stuff that matters!
    Son, we live in a world that has firewalls. And those firewalls have to be guarded by admins with stable kernels. Who's gonna do it? You? You, ScottGant? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Stanford and you curse the /. editors. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that this 2.4 kernel release, while tragically dull, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the stuff that matters.
    We use words like integrity, dupes,stability...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very security I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a cheap hosting company and run a website. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

    I really need some sleep.

    1. Re:It's so obvious it should be Gary Oldman.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking Brilliant.

    2. Re:It's so obvious it should be Gary Oldman.. by Ice_Balrog · · Score: 1

      I know I've heard that somewhere, but I can't quite rememer where. Anyone care to enlighten me?

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    3. Re:It's so obvious it should be Gary Oldman.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone care to enlighten me?

      google.com

    4. Re:It's so obvious it should be Gary Oldman.. by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 2, Informative
      I know I've heard that somewhere, but I can't quite rememer where.

      It's a parody of a well-known courtroom scene from "A Few Good Men" -- the first few lines were used extensively in the ads for the movie, and if you actually saw the movie or play the longer part of the dialog would probably ring a bell as well.

      IMDB (and probably a few million other sites) has the original version in their memorable quotes section for the movie version. Look for "Col Jessep" -- that's the character being parodied as "CmdrTaco" in the parent post.

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    5. Re:It's so obvious it should be Gary Oldman.. by Speare · · Score: 1

      CmdrTaco [yelling]: Did you order a subscription?

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  32. Fuck. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just download once and then the patches.

  33. iptables is better supported in 2.4 by Indy1 · · Score: 1

    while it does work in 2.6, if you need some of the esoteric features provided by patch-o-matic, your still stuck on 2.4 (if there is a patch-o-matic for 2.6, someone tell me).

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  34. Very good... possible improvement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I changed it up a bit ... the essence is the same though.

    A Few Good Admins

    "Admin: You want news?"

    "User: I think I'm entitled to it."

    "Admin: You want news?"

    "User: I want news for nerds. I want stuff that matters!"

    "Admin: Son, we live in a world that has firewalls. And those firewalls have to be guarded by admins with stable kernels. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Mr. "MCSE"? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Microsoft and you curse Open Source. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that this 2.6 kernel release, while tragically dull to you, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the stuff that matters.
    We use words like redundancy, fault tolerance, high availability, secure shells...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who logons to my Network and surfs the Internet under the blanket of the very security I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a stack of O'Reilly Books and build your own Network. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!"

  35. Ahem. by StupidKatz · · Score: 2, Informative

    'NFS: Make sure that fsync() flushes all pending file data to disk. The current call to nfs_wb_file() will fail to flush out mmapped() dirty pages.'

    1. Re:Ahem. by lagoon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am not a C guru, but that is not a vulnerability as far as I know. Just a regular bug which might be nasty in some circumstances when one uses async NFS. I for one hope that those mmap() vulnerabilities have been fixed properly in the last few releases.

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  36. What the hell did bittorrent ever do to you? by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    I mean what the hell is this bittorrent sucks meme anyway? Have you ever used it?

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  37. Damn! Debian screwed up by Malc · · Score: 3, Informative

    What a day! The kernel upgrade released with DSA 479-1 was broken. Ext3 filesystems unmounable as it would appear the kernel module was missing from the initrd file (my guess, but seems logical). Quarter of an hour after I figured out that kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686_2.4.18-13_i386.deb was 1.1MB and obviously wrong I got another email from Martin Schulze announcing DSA 479-2. A quick check indicates it's a more reasonable size at 8.3MB.

    Some egg on Debian's face today :( Their updates go so smoothly normally that it's easy to become complacent and not do things with enough process.

    Lessons:
    1) Patch a test system first if you have access to one
    2) Make sure your boot loader will boot from the old kernel after upgrading
    3) Have a boot disk handy
    4) Debate whether you can wait a few days before patching or whether the security liability is too high.

  38. I cannot use 2.6.5 by Baki · · Score: 1

    See this bug. I have the same PDC20265 hardware and had constant crashes until I read this bug and downgraded to 2.4.

  39. Over in Utah... by Chris+Brewer · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Just look at this:

    - JFS: Add lots of missing statics and remove dead code
    - JFS: Prevent hang in __lock_metapage
    - JFS: Fix race in jfs_sync

    Not only are those pesky hippie theives stole our precious JFS, they're also fixing bugs in it. Curse them!"

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    1. Re:Over in Utah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With a name like "Chris Brewer" you'd think you could at least speak the language as opposed to stringing words together.

      See "syntax vs. semantics."

      And.... done.

  40. LVM2? by bulletman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone know whether LVM2 got into this kernel?

    Stephen

    1. Re:LVM2? by oracleofbargth · · Score: 1

      LVM2 is not in this kernel, nor will it appear in any 2.4 kernel. Marcello has stated quite clearly that he believes it belongs in 2.6.x only, and will not ever add it to 2.4.

  41. Firewalling Bit Torrent by Hungry+Admin · · Score: 1

    I was playing around with installing different BT clients on two computers, both of which are firewalled by a Linux box running IPCOP (http://ipcop.org). I had set up port forwarding to one of my machines behind the firewall, and tried installing BT on a different machine. When I fired up the new installation, IT ACCEPTED INCOMING CONNECTIONS! Sure, the firewall logs on the original BT machine showed a bunch of rejected packets, but the new machine heard all of them just fine and was accepting incoming connections, even though they were addressed to another IP address on that subnet.

    Things that make you go "Hmmm." Sorta like Colossus and Guardian, they really wanted to be connected, didn't they.

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    1. Re:Firewalling Bit Torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      When I fired up the new installation, IT ACCEPTED INCOMING CONNECTIONS! Sure, the firewall logs on the original BT machine showed a bunch of rejected packets, but the new machine heard all of them just fine and was accepting incoming connections, even though they were addressed to another IP address on that subnet.

      You do know BitTorrent is perfectly capable of working without any open forwarded ports right?

    2. Re:Firewalling Bit Torrent by Hungry+Admin · · Score: 1

      I was seeing the Bit Torrent client on one machine accepting incoming connection packets that were addressed to ANOTHER machine on the same subnet. That's weird. BT must be setting the network card to "promiscuous" mode.

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  42. Check the md5sum by Hungry+Admin · · Score: 1

    Bit Torrent is quite reliable, especially right after something new and popular appears. Just make sure that you go to kernel.org and get the MD5 checksum to compare with what your md5sum computation yields.

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    1. Re:Check the md5sum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm only batting about .100 with Bittorrent. Either the download never starts, or it dies halfway (tracker disappears), or it only comes down at 1Kbps (firewall is open).

      If it's something legal, I usually can find an FTP mirror and complete the download before BT even gets to 10%.

    2. Re:Check the md5sum by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 1

      If you got the torrent file from the same trusted source you get your MD5 check sum, you don't need to check with the MD5. Every single chunk of the file downloaded is checked against a SHA1 checksum.

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    3. Re:Check the md5sum by someone247356 · · Score: 1

      Actually I agree with the last AC. BitTorrent is practically useless. > 700K ADSL and BitTorrent has never managed to DL faster than about 3-4K.

      Perhaps it's the A in ADSL, >700K down 90~120K up. I've read that BitTorrent throttle the download speed based on how much upload bandwidth you give it. To discourage freeloaders maybe.

      The end result is worse than 56K modem downloading. When I can FTP at greater than 90KB, it makes BitTorrent rather pointless.

      Debian's jigdo on the other hand, fast and reliable.

      someone247356

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    4. Re:Check the md5sum by LinuxHam · · Score: 1

      The point is you shouldn't trust any site other than Kernel.org, but if you can verify that what you got is a perfect match for what you would have downloaded from kernel.org, then its just as good. You should never, ever download a kernel from a rogue site and then verify the MD5SUM against that same rogue site, or rely upon BitTorrent's built-in error checking to certify that you received an uncorrupted copy. The point is to ensure that you received a perfect copy of kernel.org's distribution (i.e. no trojans), and only kernel.org's published MD5SUM can tell you that.

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    5. Re:Check the md5sum by LinuxHam · · Score: 1

      Yeah, your results are not typical. Comcast recently changed their rates, so I know I'm 3Mbits/s down, and I believe 256kbits/s up. I regularly push 26kbit/s up and get over 100KBytes/s down. When I pick something really popular, I've been able to break 200KBytes/s down. That's 2MBits/s. Believe me, ISOs come FLYING in at at that rate, relative to any straight p2p.

      I'm kind of torn here, because I feel that BT should be used to distribute the files, but I also feel that we should have a better patching mechanism in place, so that we're all either pulling the 2MB patch files from the k.o mirrors, or better yet, from USENET. So, until we all wise up and try to preserve the waning resource that we call bandwidth, I'd like to see the 30MB kernels out on BT... besides it might bring some legitimacy to p2p.

      Oh, and why aren't there any SuSE ISO's on BT? I thought we're allowed to redistribute them so long as we don't charge?

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  43. Re:Damn! Debian screwed up by tomstdenis · · Score: 1, Informative

    As to point #2 if you install your kernel correctly in your /boot there is no need to overwrite previous kernels. Simply rename bzImage to something like kernel-2.x.yz and you're set.

    in fact I have 2.4.22 upto 2.4.26 in my /boot. All of them work [if I really wanted to I could boot 2.4.22 and use it just fine].

    Sure I "waste" a bit of space in /lib/modules for all five kernels [it's 35M total btw] but I have some peace of mind that if the latest and greatest kernel is bunk I can revert trivially by rebooting ;-)

    Tom

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  44. SlowSlowSlow by EXTmilky · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The reason for not upgrading is that the newer the kernel, the slower the PC. If it wasn't that 2.4 provides journaling fs, I'd probably still use 2.0.38 these days. Btw, now that 2.6 is out I'm really reconsidering FreeBSD.

    1. Re:SlowSlowSlow by zx2c4 · · Score: 0

      Why FreeBSD? Sure tests have shown that it's more secure, but theres still nothing like Linux.

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  45. Re: Oh boy! Oh boy! Amen! by quarkscat · · Score: 0, Troll

    I have found someone who (maybe) understands
    the Windoze-for-Internet situation: the
    machine that needs the most patching for
    vulnerabilities needs to be closest to the
    source.
    ( fsck you, M$, for your
    hideous online updates).
    I am running OSX, Solaris, OpenBSD, Linux,
    IRIX, QNX, and Netware here (besides Windoze),
    so please don't judge me too harshly ...

  46. Summary Changelog by rimu+guy · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those who don't like 1000 line changelogs, here are the changes that Marcello specifically mentioned on his -pre and -rc lkml postings:

    • NFS client fixes
    • Bluetooth fixes
    • IDE update (fixes for AMD chipset driver)
    • Inclusion of Medley software RAID driver by Thomas Horsten http://www.infowares.com/linux/#medley_intro
    • XFS update
    • Big SCTP (http://www.sctp.org) merge (to match 2.6 API)
    • Network driver updates (including the addition of nVidia Force driver).
    • ACPI upstream merge

    - Run Your own Linux Server on The Latest and Greatest 2.4 or 2.6 Kernel

  47. The Linux-Tiny Tree patch homepage by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 1
    Since their information page is also so tiny yet interesting, here it is copied in whole:

    The Linux-Tiny Tree

    The -tiny tree is a series of patches against the 2.6 mainline Linux kernel to reduce its memory and disk footprint, as well as to add features to aid working on small systems. Target users are developers of embedded system and users of small or legacy machines such as 386s and handhelds.

    At this writing (Mar '04), the -tiny tree contains over 150 patches, almost all of which are configurable. Some highlights include:

    • configurable removal of printk, BUG, panic(), etc.
    • configurable HZ, swap partition, IDE interfaces, line disciplines...
    • SLOB: a simple and space-efficient replacement for the SLAB allocator
    • optional support for aio, sysfs, sysenter, ptrace, dnotify, vm86, core dumps
    • /proc/kmalloc for detailed tracking of memory usage
    • choice between 4k or 8k kernel stacks
    • a tool for finding largest stack users
    • a tool for counting uses of inline functions
    • a tool for comparing function sizes between kernel builds
    • netconsole for logging kernel messages via network
    • kgdb for full symbolic kernel debugging
    • kgdb-over-ethernet for debugging without serial ports

    Just about all features are option via the kernel configuration system and are available as separate patches. Linux-tiny by default will build a kernel practically identical to mainline, but custom configurations with full console, disk, and network support can be booted on standard hardware with as little as 2MB of RAM.

    Code contributions and suggestions encouraged, contact mpm at selenic.com. I would prefer that all new features be configurable in Kconfig and be relatively non-intrusive if possible.

    Downloads and release announcements

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    1. Re:The Linux-Tiny Tree patch homepage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.selenic.com/tiny/2.6.0-tiny1.txt
      Here' s a test boot of my development config (console, ide, ext2, and
      ipv4) with mem=2m, which is actually only 1664k after accounting for
      BIOS memory hole:

      Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel.
      # mount /proc
      # cat /proc/meminfo
      MemTotal: 916 kB
      MemFree: 296 kB
      Buffers: 28 kB
      Cached: 252 kB

      Impressive.

      So 2.6 beats 2.4 even on small machines. That's what I call it "scalability": Scaling to big servers and scaling to small machines. Not only on big machines, like solaris, & cia...

  48. Gay Hackers? by MarcQuadra · · Score: 1

    Actually, I was thinking about this today. I work as an admin at a high school, and there's always a few students hovering about the tech crew. I get the vibe that a disproportionately high number of the geeks here are homosexual. Is this something I should know by now or just a fluke?

    Does the social stigma of being gay drive otherwise normal people to geekdom? Does geekiness drive the people to alternate sexualities? Or do the two go hand-in-hand?

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    1. Re:Gay Hackers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well as a gay geek with lots of (straight) geek friends, I don't think there's a disproportionate number of us out there. Seems to be the same as the non-geek types.

      Since we're already off topic, just wanted to add that actually very few of us act like big girls, it's just the media that emphasises it because the straight-acting, white-collar gay couple just doesn't get the ratings...

    2. Re:Gay Hackers? by Red+Pointy+Tail · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe they were fooled by all these talk about backdoors and BackOrifice.

    3. Re:Gay Hackers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And let me guess, your highschool is in San Francisco? sheesh

      I think you should have made the connection by now.

    4. Re:Gay Hackers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, I've worked in the industry for 12 years at nearly the same number of offices and customer sites throughout the northeastern US. I've met only one (openly) gay man in all those years, and it was while working at NYU in Greenwich Village in NYC, an area with a **very high** homosexual population (as are most university communities in cities). I think they are drawn to the arts and the fresh, new music scene usually found in those areas.

  49. Linux by posix4 · · Score: 1

    Welp atleast 2.6 supports a working implementation of root on nfs.

  50. Smell of fresh kernel in the morning by smoking2000 · · Score: 1

    Patched all the Windows machines yesterday, fix Linux machines today.
    At least my boss can't say I've been reading /. all week.

  51. Re:cannot run by o0zi · · Score: 1

    What, I thought this was a Linux kernel? Oh wait a second, that wasn't mentioned on the original post at all....

  52. Re:You know that reminds me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't had any KFC in a while. Whatever happened to Kernel Sanders anyway?

    His latest release was hacked to death, and has been end of lifed.

  53. Re:cannot run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, thanks buddy. And here I thought I had finally found Mac OS II 2.6 Amoeba. Sigh. Thanks for the correction anyway. These Slashdot articles should be more specific about what OS the kernel release is of.

    Psst, any word where I can find OS I 1.0 Primordial Soup beta?

  54. Re:cannot run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, you're on wrong trail, beta releases are forward looking tech. I'm running MacOS XXX 30.1 Human already.

  55. Easy fix for ISOFS on a modular kernel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The isofs patch applies properly on 2.6.4. On 2.4.25, it mostly worked, but I had to add the "#include <asm/page.h>" line manually.

    I had isofs compiled as a module, so I just did a "make modules" in the kernel source directory, copied the new isofs.o (or .ko) file into the proper place under /lib/modules, then did "rmmod isofs" and "modprobe isofs".

    This took about a minute on each system and didn't result in any downtime. So if you have a kernel source tree lying around with isofs as a module, it's an easy fix. And there's no need for major regression testing since only one module's affected. The R128 patch looks equally trivial, but I don't use that module. I can't find any info (or patch) for the SoundBlaster DoS, but it sounds less serious.

  56. What an absolute load of tosh. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Honestly, I don't grasp who moderates the above as insightful.

    The idiotic obsession with releasing half backed stuff in the software industry is understandable (up to a point) for companies that need to make a profit and to pay attention to the proverbial bottom line.

    What is not understandable is that a project whose aim is scratching an itch, which aims to provide a tool that otherwise would not be available, would run, lemming like, in the same stupid rat race to release half backed rubish that would frustrate people involved as users and testers.

    Fast development leads to more bugs, oh yes, they can be troubleshooted, but that firefighting mentality of people involved in producing software is what gives the profession and the industry a bad reputation and bad name.

    I salute the Linux guys that IMNSHO are striking the right balance, in spite of the mounting commercial pressures (heck, if somebody feels Linux is not being developped fast enough they know what they can do. Hint: read the GPL).

    Finally, more childish rubish: "And in this game, staying still is the same as going back". Give me a break, what about if moving forward is fallin into a 100m free fall Mr Lemming?

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  57. Re:Damn! Debian screwed up by Malc · · Score: 1

    Yes you're right. It was more a reminder to be familiar with your lilo.conf (or grub.????) file and be 100% sure that you have a target for the old kernel in there. Some people fiddle with those files. Ours were good and that's what saved us, although on one of the machines the modules wouldn't load... we were lucky that was the simple machine with straight IDE and ext3 (which is of course backward compatible with ext2).

  58. Upgrading from Red Hat Linux 2.4.20-28.8 ? by cosmo73 · · Score: 1

    I run a home system and, until now, have always upgraded my kernel from RedHat's up2date. I have heard that Red Hat applied additional patches to the standard kernel. Could upgrading to a standard release cause problems?

  59. Re:YHBT YHL HAND by Fizzl · · Score: 1

    That's so "OldSkool" you should be shot for that.

  60. Re:Hum...matching up? Linux stoop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not really, Linux would have to stoop down and have a realease every day and still have major vulnerabilities that go months unpatched. And if Linux releases stooped, you could never be sure if they fixed the problem.

  61. Mirror Mirror on the wall by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 1

    What's the closest place for me to get my install?

  62. New record time: bug #2510 from patch-2.4.26.bz2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2510

    diff -urN linux-2.4.25/mm/mremap.c linux-2.4.26/mm/mremap.c
    --- linux-2.4.25/mm/mremap.c 2004-02-18 05:36:32.000000000 -0800
    +++ linux-2.4.26/mm/mremap.c 2004-04-14 06:05:41.000000000 -0700
    @@ -77,12 +77,16 @@
    static int move_one_page(struct mm_struct *mm, unsigned long old_addr, unsigned long new_addr)
    {
    int error = 0;
    - pte_t * src;
    + pte_t * src, * dst;

    spin_lock(&mm->page_table_lock);
    src = get_one_pte(mm, old_addr);
    - if (src)
    - error = copy_one_pte(mm, src, alloc_one_pte(mm, new_addr));
    + if (src) {
    + dst = alloc_one_pte(mm, new_addr);
    + src = get_one_pte(mm, old_addr);
    + if (src)
    + error = copy_one_pte(mm, src, dst);
    + }
    spin_unlock(&mm->page_table_lock);
    return error;
    }