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802.11 WiFi Denial of Service Exploit Discovered

CRC'99 writes "The Queensland University of Technology has today announced yet another flaw in 802.11 products. AusCERT has the official statement, noting: 'An attacker using a low-powered, portable device such as an electronic PDA and a commonly available wireless networking card may cause significant disruption to all WLAN traffic within range, in a manner that makes identification and localisation of the attacker difficult.' Nice to know that a simple PDA could bring a WiFi network to its knees."

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  1. how come... by hutkey · · Score: 0

    ...."other people" are soooo smart in finding bugs in the system, than the system creators itself?

    1. Re:how come... by isorox · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Same reason you get someone else to proofread your CV. A fresh pair of eyes will pick out the problems.

    2. Re:how come... by SphericalCrusher · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Because they never look.

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      "Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
    3. Re:how come... by Segway+Ninja · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because the creators think one way, and the the "other people" think in totally another. Something the creators never thought possible could happen, simply because someone else sees the system on a different angle.

    4. Re:how come... by hutkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i agree with you,
      but considering the fact that the system they are building is important than CV (ust an example), why they don't get what others get in first glance?

    5. Re:how come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure it's like anything else. There were a host of problems with the spec that were fixed by the designers before any of us ever saw it. Of course, that's not news.

    6. Re:how come... by tomreagan · · Score: 1

      or maybe the creators did think about it, but because you're given the fact that you can just jam the frequency and bring the whole thing down, it DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE!

    7. Re:how come... by dnoyeb · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was under the impression that such public frequency devices like Wifi and cordless telephones were forbidden from preventing jamming and also must not interfer with other devices themselves!?

    8. Re:how come... by djsalt.com · · Score: 1

      ^^ yeh what are those stickers on electronic devices that claim they are legal and wouldnt interfere with other electronic products really for? abviously some legal design restrictions need to be updated or implemented.

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    9. Re:how come... by makomk · · Score: 2, Informative

      RTFA. It says that jamming attacks of this sort need a powerful transmitter - not the easiest thing to obtain - whereas this just needs an ordinary wireless LAN card, which is much cheaper and easier to obtain.

    10. Re:how come... by zopu · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The simple answer is that there are far more users than there were testers. When more people look at a system, it's increasingly likely that someone will 'stumble' onto a bug.

      Also, it's easier to find an exploit in an established system. Now we have lots of hardware and available WLAN access points to play about with. It's quite difficult to 'hack' a specification...

    11. Re:how come... by Ensign+Regis · · Score: 1

      And because it's a numbers game. You have a handful of people devising security vs. hundreds of people trying to break it. Just based on statistics, the hackers would be more likely to have someone who would think of a particular vulnerability than the other group.

  2. All your base station are belong to us by Gabrill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seams like the single most energetic use of all our new technology is figuring out new ways to break it.

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    1. Re:All your base station are belong to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing wrong with that, imo. Experience is the best teacher, and there's nothing like making a mistake and learning from it to get experience.

    2. Re:All your base station are belong to us by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I wonder if you had said the same thing in one of these stories:

      - Australia's Great Linux-Based Satellite Network
      - Estonia Embraces Wi-Fi Wireless Internet Access
      - Asus Launching a Wi-Fi Hard Drive
      - WiFi Phone Announced

      Just because an exploit is found in WiFi... Oh my god, seems like most energy is put into breaking stuff!

      Be happy that this problem has now been given attention and don't be so damn negative. :-)

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    3. Re:All your base station are belong to us by krymsin01 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the most fun!

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    4. Re:All your base station are belong to us by Diabolical · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Best way to ensure that these technologies are safe enough for their purpose.

      The alternative would be widespread adoption without any real security and a few nutcases having the possibility to break _and_ abuse the tech without anyone having the slightest idea of its insecurity.

    5. Re:All your base station are belong to us by csteinle · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yes. It's what's known as testing. ;-)

    6. Re:All your base station are belong to us by normal_guy · · Score: 1

      That's quite a dry wit you have.

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  3. Nice to know? by dutt · · Score: 1, Funny
    Nice to know that a simple PDA could bring a WiFi network to its knees.

    Oh yeah, real nice. Now we can all sleep well at night knowing about this!

    1. Re:Nice to know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree this article is stupid. Anyone who has had wifi for more than 5 minutes figured this out. According to the article:

      Excludes IEEE 802.11a and high-speed (above 20Mbps) 802.11g wireless devices

      so basicly... it effects 802.11b or 802.11g if someone were inclined to force the speed down below 20 Mb/sec. WHO F'n CARES?

      IMZombie
  4. jammers? by tasinet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    weren't they called JAMMERS back in the nice radio-sharks times? Jam the 11 802.11 band frequencies and you have a "DoS" attack...

    1. Re:jammers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The advisory gives reasons why simply jamming the wifi band is a much less likely attack: You're "easily" detectable and it requires special hardware.

    2. Re:jammers? by RollingThunder · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They do refer to that in the alert - that's what the "high powered saturation" method is.

      This sounds more subtle, working with the data side of the network and confusing the nodes, rather than just squashing the RF.

    3. Re:jammers? by WegianWarrior · · Score: 4, Funny

      A jammer - in the spesific sence of a white-noise transmitter - wouldn't give a 'denial of service' style attack. It would drown out the other transmitters, thus fooling your device into thinking that there is no network avilable. Perhaps we should call it a Lack of Carrier Attack? Splitting hairs, I know ;).

      That, and using a PDA and a network card is a much geekier - and thus more intersting - way of doing it. Jammers are soooo 80's.

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    4. Re:jammers? by PornMaster · · Score: 5, Informative

      Personally, I found that my 2.4GHz cordless phone did too good of a job of disrupting my 802.11g, so I unplugged it and use a 900MHz phone.

    5. Re:jammers? by mlush · · Score: 2, Interesting
      weren't they called JAMMERS back in the nice radio-sharks times? Jam the 11 802.11 band frequencies and you have a "DoS" attack...

      A jammer is pumping out a lot of power to swamp the radio frequences and would be trivial to trace (all you need is a directional antenna). This is more akin to poisoning a lake, you know something is wrong (all the dead fish are a clue), but tracking down the source of the poison is hard it could be anywhere in the lake. I one way to find the DoS would be to switching off the AP's but this would not work well in a public place with lots of people packing WiFi devices (say a university)

    6. Re:jammers? by devilspgd · · Score: 1

      requires special hardware

      Like a cheap 2.4GHz cordless phone. Includes a mobile power source (battery) and everything for $25.

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    7. Re:jammers? by meatspray · · Score: 3, Funny

      I prefer using cordless phones and microwave ovens to jam up my 802.11 equipment. Sure it's low tech, but I'm lazy damnit!

    8. Re:jammers? by FireFury03 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A jammer - in the spesific sence of a white-noise transmitter - wouldn't give a 'denial of service' style attack. It would drown out the other transmitters, thus fooling your device into thinking that there is no network avilable.

      In what way is that not a denial of service? It denies the clients access to the access point service, in the same way as a bomb in a datacentre denies all the clients from contacting the servers there.

    9. Re:jammers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ... in the same way as a bomb in a datacentre denies all the clients from...
      A BOMB in a datacenter,,,, where!

      two cups of coffee down, two more to go...

    10. Re:jammers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have a 2-phone set with one base station (connects to phone line) and one remote (put anywhere in the house). One will dust your connection if you use it behind the laptop; the other will not.

      The phone and wireless adapter have to be rather close together (~18 inches) for this to happen.

    11. Re:jammers? by dotwaffle · · Score: 1

      Pah! I went to an auction and bought a microwave for 3 GBP, about $600 (sic) at current exchange rates. That stopped my wireless network all right...

    12. Re:jammers? by KrispyKringle · · Score: 1
      Point being that jamming is a particularly crude way of doing this, requiring special (bulky and rather hard-to-hide) equipment. It's not something you have to be terribly concerned about punk kids doing. It's also something that is a known risk for all wireless communication, and that law enforcement take seriously in preventing.

      This--and the deauthentication packet flood that existed before this, despite the claims of this being the first of its kind, I believe--can be performed by someone with a laptop or PDA. Doesn't stand out much in public. Isn't hard to come by. Isn't easy to trace. There's a far greater chance of a kiddo using this against the public library than of someone jamming it.

      Anyway, while we're talking about denial of service, yes, signal jamming denies service, as does a bomb in a datacenter or a SYN flood. But typically, the more nuanced denial of service attacks exploit some vulnerability that allows a relatively small amount of work to take up an inordinate amount of resources. In other words, if I have a million machines, I can certain use them to overwhelm a webserver that has a capacity of a million concurrent requests. That sure will deny service. But this isn't a vulnerability per se; it's pretty much expected behavior. On the other hand, if I know that a specially crafted request will take up 100 times more of the webserver's resources than it's meant to, then I can cause the same effect with only ten thousand machines. Get my drift?

    13. Re:jammers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, good point there. My favorite bulky and expensive equipment is any cheap 2.4 GHz wireless handset (can get them at the fleamrket for less than 30 dollars). Hit the Talk button and voila, your connection goes away.
      I know, my neighbor does this to my connection several times a day. Thanks phone manufacturers and 802.11g!! May you roast in hell for all eternity!

    14. Re:jammers? by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

      Point being that jamming is a particularly crude way of doing this, requiring special (bulky and rather hard-to-hide) equipment.

      A first generation 2.4 ghz Panasonic cordless phone (handset only) is hard to hide?

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    15. Re:jammers? by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      Point being that jamming is a particularly crude way of doing this

      I would argue that a distributed flood is a rather crude way of DOSing someone, but people do it and it works.

  5. I wonder... by MoreDruid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder if WiFi bridges are also affected by this.
    And of course, how long it will take before the manufacturers will be having a firmware update for this. It seems that most firmware updates only add extra functionality to gain an edge over the competitors, but basic stuff like optimalisation is kind of a non-issue. I'm crossing my fingers this will be fixed shortly, but I'm having doubts about it.

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    1. Re:I wonder... by MDCore · · Score: 5, Informative

      How can this be "interesting"? Read the article folks, it's a fundamental flaw in the protocol.

      from the article:

      At this time a comprehensive solution, in the form of software or
      firmware upgrade, is not available for retrofit to existing
      devices. Fundamentally, the issue is inherent in the protocol
      implementation of IEEE 802.11 DSSS.

    2. Re:I wonder... by ezzzD55J · · Score: 3, Interesting
      And of course, how long it will take before the manufacturers will be having a firmware update for this. It seems that most firmware updates only add extra functionality to gain an edge over the competitors, but basic stuff like optimalisation is kind of a non-issue. I'm crossing my fingers this will be fixed shortly, but I'm having doubts about it.
      From the AUSCERT advisory:
      3. Workarounds/Mitigation

      At this time a comprehensive solution, in the form of software or
      firmware upgrade, is not available for retrofit to existing
      devices. Fundamentally, the issue is inherent in the protocol
      implementation of IEEE 802.11 DSSS.
      So it looks like firmware won't be able to stop it if it wants to implement the protocol correctly. There might be a grey area of course.

      Personally, I don't think it's a big deal, there are already plenty of ethernet- and ip-level DoS possibilities to worry about another one at the physical level.. The symptoms will be a bit more mysterious though.

    3. Re:I wonder... by KDan · · Score: 1, Funny

      I believe the (not-so-interesting) term for a post lacking content or intelligence but appearing to have them is "karma whoring".

      Daniel

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    4. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You woke up from a 7 posts over a 3 year period to say this? Go back to sleep.

    5. Re:I wonder... by gravis_23 · · Score: 1

      The article stated that no defence exists for this attack. I can't see how a firmware update will rectify anything.

    6. Re:I wonder... by KDan · · Score: 1

      Seeing as Funny mods don't affect karma, obviously not mine.

      Daniel

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    7. Re:I wonder... by MDCore · · Score: 1

      Oh I read the slashdot all the time. I just don't ever get in at the beginning when my posts might actually mean something.

    8. Re:I wonder... by MDCore · · Score: 1

      Yeah I thought I might be doing that (the "whoring of the karma"). But I console myself by thinking "hey I read the article before posting!" I realise I didn't actually add anything to the discussion that couldn't be learnt by reading the article. But hey, who else here reads the article, right? sometimes I think the only way many posters will read any of the article is if one posts excerpts! :)

    9. Re:I wonder... by Merlisk · · Score: 2, Informative

      > How can this be "interesting"? Read the article folks, it's a fundamental flaw in the protocol.

      Good catch. I was taught about this flaw a few years ago in my first wireless class. I remember my teacher saying, "...and that's why you should never put a mission critical network on wireless."

      It made sense to me, so I filed in the back of my mind and we went on. Wireless is the case that proves the rule of functionality over security.

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    10. Re:I wonder... by KDan · · Score: 1

      With great shame and self-deprecation I must admit that I didn't actually read the article.

      narf.

      Daniel

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  6. Easy... by compacflt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In case of a chain:

    It's easier to find a weak link in a chain, than it is to make all perfectly strong links.

    In case of a 'system':
    It's easier to find a single flaw than it is to build all parts well. (not to mention that all parts must also interact well, and do the job.)

  7. I found a major flaw too by rokzy · · Score: 4, Funny

    using something as small, cheap and common as a hammer I may cause significant disruption to *all* computer activity within walking distance.

    1. Re:I found a major flaw too by wine · · Score: 1

      but in that case identification might not be so big a problem

    2. Re:I found a major flaw too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "... in a manner that makes identification and localisation of the attacker difficult."

    3. Re:I found a major flaw too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      using something as small, cheap and common as a hammer I may cause significant disruption to *all* computer activity within walking distance.

      Please elaborate on your methods...

    4. Re:I found a major flaw too by JosKarith · · Score: 1

      Oh, I'm sure that the "Multi-purpose WoodFixMaster(tm) Applicator and Remover" will help with the identification issue too.
      No witnesses!

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    5. Re:I found a major flaw too by rokzy · · Score: 4, Funny

      I walk up to someone with a network connected PC/laptop and say "I'll give you this shiny new hammer if you let me check my email".

      I then use outlook to open a attatchment from an unknown source.

    6. Re:I found a major flaw too by ear1grey · · Score: 1

      I'm all for the utility belt approach, but for targets outside walking distance the combination of the suggested jamming with the postroom attack technique could cause repeated* irritation , and be less than simple to avoid.

      *assumes commoditization of hardware to the extent that such attacks are trivial in cost.

    7. Re:I found a major flaw too by Mudcathi · · Score: 1
      using something as small, cheap and common as a hammer I may cause significant disruption to *all* computer activity within walking distance.

      Yes, but unlike the PDA DOS attack, your hammer attack would be rather easy to trace down: one need only follow the crunch-crunch-crunch sounds, and the path of broken bits like Hansel & Gretel's breadcrumbs through the forest.

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    8. Re:I found a major flaw too by transient · · Score: 1

      Also fun (and extremely obnoxious) is cutting someone's mouse cord. *snip* Ha ha!

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    9. Re:I found a major flaw too by StuckInSyrup · · Score: 1

      hey
      you are a trojan horse now.

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  8. Why? by egm06 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What would be the point of this other than making people made? It would not dystroy data. Also, has it been done by a "attacker" or did they do it themselves?

    1. Re:Why? by Elamaton · · Score: 1

      For pretty much the same malicious reasons DDOS attacks are carried out, whatever those reasons may be in any given case.

    2. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would be the point of this other than making people made? It would not dystroy data. Also, has it been done by a "attacker" or did they do it themselves?

      Because making someone mad is the easiest way to manipulate people. The instigator gets a feeling of accomplishment, power and control which is probably the opposite of how they usually feel. (i.e. a victim of society/parents/government/life)
      This helps them forget thier pathetic lives if but for a moment. The lame thing is... anger tends to spread like a virus. Pissed off people sometimes tend to pass it on to others.

    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could use it to disable a coffee shop's network if they wronged you or if they're a competitor.

      You could use it to disable a company's network if they wronged you or if they're a competitor.

      etc.

  9. I'm suprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As an aussie it seems really strange that this kind of thing is discovered in Queensland, it's always raining there so what use WiFi is there I really don't know...

    1. Re:I'm suprised by Zugok · · Score: 1

      The Birsbane City Council supplies free WiFi through out the Queens Street Mall, the main retail district in Brisbane City. It is significant. I just moved back from Brisbane, but I know if would be hard pressed to find less than 5 people in Queen Street Mall using their laptops making use of the internet connection.

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    2. Re:I'm suprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting, we have a similar project here but it's run by two local ISPs. It's called Citilan. At the moment it's in trial stage and anyone can use it for free. Ours covers a large area of the commercial CBD quite extensively. I live in Adelaide...

    3. Re:I'm suprised by CentaurisII · · Score: 1

      QUT itself (gardent point campus) just rolled out it's own WiFi solution (bout time, guys). I believe it is based on bluesocket and PPTP VPNs instead of that bullshit WEP rubbish... I wonder if they've been "experimenting" with this new jamming technique? Also, It's not always raining there (I'm from Brisbane, QLD and I go to this university - so there you go).

    4. Re:I'm suprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any Idea when this will be available on the Carseldine Campus? Would be nice to be able to connect my laptop while sleeping in IT lectures...

  10. Elegant attack if I have ever seen one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it just me or could this same idea by applied to any network with collision avoidance?
    It is basically a user done packet storm.....
    Now I am going to have to dig up that book on cable modem specs....

  11. Exactly how is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A microwave oven can bring down a WiFi network. You could plug a 110 volt line into an Ethernet jack if you felt like it. All shared media networks require cooperation in order to run correctly.

    1. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by bcmm · · Score: 1

      Mains Power-->Ethernet...

      Isn't that from BOFH?

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    2. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by Quill345 · · Score: 1

      Cellphones used to bring down the wireless network too at my school.

    3. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by B747SP · · Score: 2, Informative

      That would be the, er, etherkiller! (Also AUI killer, VGA killer, BNC killer, etc, etc, etc on that link!)

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    4. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by Alter+Relationship · · Score: 1
      Isn't that from BOFH?
      Bingo! But it was the RS232...
      There is another mention of a "mains to coax" device in a latter story, though.

      /old timer

    5. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by hutkey · · Score: 1, Funny

      wife: "honey, wait i'll make some breakfast for you"
      (puts ready-to-cook-meal in the microwave)
      husband:damn this network! how many times i told you not to cook while i work....
      wife:ooops!

    6. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by jruschme · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except that the 802.11b vendors seem to have some hardening against microwave ovens built into the drivers and firmware.

      I think the scary part of this is supposed to be the fact that one can bring down the network using nothing more than off-the-shelf hardware and a little custom software. Worse, it's hardware that is indistinguishable from what a legitimate user might have.

      Let's say, for instance, that I want to bring down the hotspot at my local Starbucks. It would probably be suspicious (or at least funny looking) if I whipped out a modified AP or some kind of UHF transmitter. OTOH, nobody would even notice if I pulled out an iPaq, tapped a couple of times on the screen, and *poof* the network halted.

      Now scale up a bit and say I connect to a decent antenna, sit out in the parking lot, and point this at your office... or your hospital...

    7. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by B747SP · · Score: 1

      Actually, for completeness, while I'm discussing hardware, I should mention the Cat-5 o' nine tails. I *need* one of those!

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    8. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that scares the shit out of me

    9. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by dachshund · · Score: 4, Interesting
      A microwave oven can bring down a WiFi network. You could plug a 110 volt line into an Ethernet jack if you felt like it. All shared media networks require cooperation in order to run correctly.

      Because I can't carry a microwave around in my pocket, and it would require some significant source of electricity. This requires only a PDA, and presumably doesn't drain its batteries in a matter of seconds the way RF jamming would.

      Honestly, this isn't as useful an attack as some of the targeted ones (see a paper written by Bellardo and Savage) where you can knock a specific individual off the net (and then potentially reconnect them to your own "access point".) But it still has some advantages over brute-force jamming.

    10. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 1
      Exactly how is this surprising?

      The surprising part is that so many people are surprised.

      The reason (well, one of) why we like 802.11 so much is that it's unregulated, meaning you don't have to get a license to put up a base station or use a wireless card. But the downside to that is neither does anyone else. That means anyone can stomp on the frequencies, and there's nothing you can do about it.

      If this sounds familiar, it should. It's another manifestation of the same mechanism which allows spam to DOS our inboxes.

      This means we can expect the same clueless responses to this problem. Someone will suggest we regulate the access to the technology (base stations and wireless cards) or the frequency.

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    11. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by Mr+Guy · · Score: 1

      a decent antenna,
      Don't you think they'd notice the weirdo in the parking lot pointing a Pringles can at the hospital?

    12. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by wik · · Score: 1

      Maybe you're thinking of the one, the only, the EtherKiller!

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    13. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

      Don't you think they'd notice the weirdo in the parking lot pointing a Pringles can at the hospital?

      Not if it's a mental hospital.

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    14. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by MrIrwin · · Score: 1
      "You could plug a 110 volt line into an Ethernet jack if you felt like it."

      And all you would do is block that specific port, the rest of the net would remain fully functioning (ethernet ports are galvanically isolated).

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    15. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by egomaniac · · Score: 1

      Except that the 802.11b vendors seem to have some hardening against microwave ovens built into the drivers and firmware.

      That's amazing, considering that I have never once been able to use a wireless device within twenty feet of an operating microwave.

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    16. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by System.out.println() · · Score: 1

      Because I can't carry a microwave around in my pocket, and it would require some significant source of electricity.

      You don't need to... any cordless 2.4GHz phone will do the trick.

    17. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because I can't carry a microwave around in my pocket

      Owww, my sperm!

      Hey, it didn't hurt that time!

    18. Re:Exactly how is this surprising? by OcabJ · · Score: 1

      While I haven't done extensive tests regarding microwave ovens and WiFi, we do have a microwave oven in our office area, which happens to be about 20 feet away from the access point / omni-directional in the adjacent office.

      I ran the microwave while checking the signal strength and quality using the Cisco 350 Aironet card and Aironet Client Utilities and the Lucent Orinoco card and Orinoco utiliies and saw no impact on the wireless signal or functionality.

  12. No workaround... by Rico_za · · Score: 2, Interesting
    At this time a comprehensive solution, in the form of software or firmware upgrade, is not available for retrofit to existing devices. Fundamentally, the issue is inherent in the protocol implementation of IEEE 802.11 DSSS.

    This could be a huge problem. Let's say you have a business where you have high sales volumes at certain times, with these times determined by unknown external factors (like a stock broker). If your network is down at those critical times, you loose business and money. Now all your competition needs to do is take out your network during one of these critical times, and all your customers will turn to them.

    1. Re:No workaround... by Wudbaer · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm sorry, but if you use WiFi for mission critical stuff it's your own fault. Perhaps if you are on a large construction site or something like that were you cannot lay cables, but besides that just use good old reliable cabling.

    2. Re:No workaround... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or simply have some fun at your local Lowes or Home Depot.

      there is a third Chain called Menards that has EVERYTHING including the cash registers as wifi so this could be some real fun in those kinds of retail locations.

    3. Re:No workaround... by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      This is true, however the number of times I have seen 802.11 put in because the contractor couldn't be bothered with laying cables...

      I hold the firm belief that people who don't have a very good understanding of the security concerns should never be allowed to set up any wireless kit. At least bad security on the wire requires the attacker to actually have physical access to the wire.

  13. Well, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wifi networks _require_ cooperation to work. When the protocol says I am not allowed to send now, who can enforce it? I have to admit that tricking everybody else into believing that the channel is in use when it is actually free is an elegant way of disrupting the network, but you could just as well send short blips whenever someone else tries to transmit a packet. Only software which you control stands between you and the network.

    1. Re:Well, duh by cubidou · · Score: 1

      but you could just as well send short blips whenever someone else tries to transmit a packet. Only software which you control stands between you and the network.

      That's not entirely true. Hardware does most of the physical layer management, so you need your own hardware and own software to do what you describe. The point of this attack is it can be made with common hardware. This is the real vulnerability.

    2. Re:Well, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The described attack "exploits the CCA function at the physical layer". Firmware is software, too.

  14. stating the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    exploit ? this is basic RF electronics 101, says a lot for this University's quality of education i must say

    maybe i should build a wideband ghz transmitter ,stand near a cell repeater and then publicly expose the mobile networks as insecure and liable to denial of service attacks

    1. Re:stating the obvious by devilspgd · · Score: 1

      At least until the crack FCC shows up and makes you promise to not do it or else they'll get serious and make you REALLY promise next time.

      --
      Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day, but teach a man to phish...
  15. Obviously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you think about it a kid with a wound up coil, a 9V battery, some resistors and a random number generation chip could completly knock out any kind of WiFi transmission he wanted to.

    But would his jamming be any less random than the average slashdot feed? :E

  16. Why WiFi? by bcmm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've never quite understood WiFi.

    I know people who have dailup internet connections and two or three computers, none of them laptops, but still use wifi in preference to RJ-45. (In fact I know people who connect one fixed computer to it's dial-up with WiFi, cause RJ11 phone cable is ugly.)

    It's very fashionable, but doesn't seem to work very well. Everyone I know with a WiFi home network has had problems with it.

    That said, the idea of free connections in cafes would be cool if there where more of them...

    --
    # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
    Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
    1. Re:Why WiFi? by djsalt.com · · Score: 1

      I see you point, but if wi-fi is integrated correctly then its a very usefull networking tool. WEP may be rather unsecure but using it alongside MAC filtering i still think theres a place for wi-fi in the home. ok.. someone COULD DOS attack my home connection, but i cant see it happening and if it did then i just plug my network cable in.

      --
      "No matter how much RAM i buy i never seem to be able to multi-task women"!
    2. Re:Why WiFi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am writing this reply in bed. WiFi rocks.

    3. Re:Why WiFi? by sholden · · Score: 1

      You don't have to bother with running cables.

      Your cables don't get chewed on by the toddler.

    4. Re:Why WiFi? by HeghmoH · · Score: 1

      Yes, wires are ugly. Despite what you may think, that is a legitimate reason to use wifi.

      I have a wifi network at home, and my father does too. Neither of us have had any problems with it, ever. We both have portables, and the network reaches everywhere in the house where we would want it to go. It's very nice. If you're in the house with your portable, you have a connection, simple as that.

      --
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    5. Re:Why WiFi? by bcmm · · Score: 1

      RJ-45 can be unobtrusive. You just need to use those cable clip things (you know, that nail to the wall), and run it along the top of the wall, or under carpets, or behind a sofa. You don't notice your phone system's cables being ugly, do you? (then again in some building those are behind the walls...)

      --
      # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
    6. Re:Why WiFi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the network guy even mentions the word "Mac filtering", find someone else to do your security.

    7. Re:Why WiFi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because most people do not have the IQ to run wire.
      hell, most "IT experts" get a confused look when asked about the extremely simple task of running wires in a home.

      although mostly MCSE's give that confused look.. it must be a part of the test training.

    8. Re:Why WiFi? by devilspgd · · Score: 1

      And yet, so disturbing.

      --
      Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day, but teach a man to phish...
    9. Re:Why WiFi? by HeghmoH · · Score: 1

      I've never seen a phone system where the wires were not inside the walls. And phones are always next to a wall jack, not put fifty feet away, precisely because it's a pain to make unobtrusive wires that can't get snagged by anything.

      Yes, you can make RJ-45 unobtrusive, if you spend money and work hard at it. Or you can just buy a cheap wifi base station and wireless card. For some people, even with a desktop computer, the extra money is worth the convenience. If you have a portable, I can't imagine not using wifi.

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    10. Re:Why WiFi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh c'mon, MAC filtering is usefull.

      My home setup runs Super G only (108 Mb), Mac filtering enabled, SSID broadcast off, + 128 Bit WEP.

      Defeatable? sure. If they have one of 2 adaptors that will even talk to my access point. Then they need to sniff a vailid MAC to spoof. They they have to pray to 'bump' the valid MAC's connection, then they have to guess my SSID. Then they get to break my WEP key.

      I'm comfortble with that. If someone wants in bad enough, they're getting in.

      IMZombie

    11. Re:Why WiFi? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Everyone I know with a WiFi home network has had problems with it.

      Then you know a bunch of morons.

    12. Re:Why WiFi? by bcmm · · Score: 1

      True. But morons can use RJ45 cable more easily. And I think there might have been a wall in the way or a cordless phone interfering...

      --
      # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
  17. A future solution... by carvalhao · · Score: 1

    ...will be to change the modulation scheme to CDMA. It is clearly the future as far as security and spectrum utilisation is concerned and as an always increasing number of equipements begin to use it (such as UMTS mobiles worldwide), the hardware should become cheap enough to make the transition pay off. Until then... keep a cable backup for criticals! ;)

  18. Ouch by imidazole2 · · Score: 1, Funny

    The good old wire prevails!

    --

    -Imidazole2
    1. Re:Ouch by bcmm · · Score: 1

      Yeah!!!

      The only way to block data on an RJ-45 link is scissors.

      (Or maybe a powerfull electromagnetic pulse? Induce current in the wires?)

      --
      # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
    2. Re:Ouch by krymsin01 · · Score: 1

      Florescent fixtures cause packet drops sometimes when cabling nears too close to them in ceilings.

      --
      stuff
    3. Re:Ouch by bcmm · · Score: 1

      Thats worth knowing, in this building there are 2 computers at desks with fluorescent desk lamps. One works fine, but one PC is new. Interesting to see if it goes wrong...

      Thanks.

      --
      # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
    4. Re:Ouch by aixguru1 · · Score: 1

      I can denial of service attack wire with my leatherman. :P *snip snip* denied.

      --
      root 10956 5164 0 Oct 22 - 0:23 sendmail: rejecting connections: load average: 70 (isn't sendmail just too kind)
  19. Another link... by Kulic · · Score: 4, Informative

    This one has a bit more information.

    http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,954972 3%255E15306,00.html

    Beware the (sometimes flash) ads.

  20. For more information: by imidazole2 · · Score: 5, Informative
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    -Imidazole2
  21. what's the news by tomreagan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    this just in...wireless networks are open to a range of attack vectors generally closed to wired networks...competitive interefence leads to signal degradation and loss of service...film at 11

    seriously, and i haven't even read the article yet, what could possibly be the news here. i'm imagining that, what, certain tiny packet sequences have a disproportionately large disruptive impact on the protocol by causing extended resets and delays? how is that any different from the recent tcp packet spoofing attacks except in free space?

    it would still be easier to get a big antenna and a transceiver and just blanket the spectrum.

    move along, nothing to see here.

    1. Re:what's the news by djsalt.com · · Score: 1

      ^^ cant disagree with that. what more can i say.

      --
      "No matter how much RAM i buy i never seem to be able to multi-task women"!
    2. Re:what's the news by tomreagan · · Score: 1

      actually, something more just occurred to me...

      it's kind of sad, but these researchers went in to the lab for this. i mean, Uni of Queensland - Wallaby Campus is probably just another school looking to improve its reputation through quality academic research, and that's great, but this project is more fluff than stuff.

      it's kind of like that eddie izzard bit about the english reaction to the US moon race in the 60's - Uni of Queensland is committed to putting a man on the surface of the earth and returning him safely to, uh, well, the earth!

    3. Re:what's the news by skasingularity · · Score: 1

      Well, the fact that wireless networks are completely open to all forms of attacks really isn't news, but this is a little different. Basically, one computer sends out a signal to all the other computers saying that the network is busy, so no computers can communicate with the network. Its just a different way of stopping wireless networks.

    4. Re:what's the news by madman101 · · Score: 1

      Waht's news here is that the attack uses commonly available equipment and is hard to trace. A large antenna blanketing the spectrum is not hard to trace.

  22. request for comment by hutkey · · Score: 3, Informative

    more information is available in RFC 3580 on the same topic.

  23. Spark Gap? by shfted! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Couldn't the same effect also be achieve by a simple spark-gap generator? Granted, this device would also effect all other bands, but has been around for many years and is remarkably low tech.

    --
    He who laughs last is stuck in a time dilation bubble.
    1. Re:Spark Gap? by Nonesuch · · Score: 1
      Couldn't the same effect also be achieve by a simple spark-gap generator?
      Yes, a spark gap transmitter could do this, building a spark gap with a 2Ghz+ resonant frequency is not difficult, all you need is a HV supply and some basic analog HF electronics textbook knowledge...

      The primary difference is that the 802.11 PCMCIA card is an FCC-accepted device, and therefore legal.

      The FCC is considering type acceptance for ultrawideband (UWB) transmitters which could incidentally act as 802.11 jamming devices.

  24. Probably obvious to the people who made protocol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Any CS course teaches that CSMA/CD only works because of binary exponential backoff ensuring that there isn't a continous stream of collisions. (Basic idea: once a collision occurs, transmitters will wait a random amount of time to retransmit to avoid a collision involving exactly the same transmitters) All you have to do to ensure guaranteed collisions is to have one bad player who 'doesn't backoff' The 'attack' probably just involves changing a '2' somewhre in the firmware to '1'. If they transmit continously, you have a DoS Note, I only know about the theoretical side of CSMA/CD, but as far I can see, its an ineherent flaw in communicating over shared broadcast channels.

  25. Classifieds by Big+Nothing · · Score: 2, Funny

    Would like to buy second-hand WiFi-enabled PDA, preferably low-powered. Please email me at: big.nothing@bigger.com

    --
    SIG: TAKE OFF EVERY 'CAPTAIN'!!
    1. Re:Classifieds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wanted 10,000 Wifi enabled PDAs.
      (For no reason. Honestly.)

      -The Chineese Goverenment

  26. So you want to DOS a wifi ?? by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can you say, "cheap microwave oven" ???

    The cheaper, the better.

    Want to screw your neighbor over?
    take the cover off the oven and turn it on.
    Just don't be in the same room when you throw the switch, sort of like when the executioner lights up a prisoner in "Old Sparky"...

    Pick one up off the side of the road and then do a google site search on /. for HERF.....

    Have fun kiddies!!

    1. Re:So you want to DOS a wifi ?? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just don't be in the same room when you throw the switch, sort of like when the executioner lights up a prisoner in "Old Sparky"...


      dont know much about microwaves do you.

      "not being in the same room" mean's nothing. I can do that and stand directly behind the microwave, hell I'll even hold onto it. there is no way in hell I'll stand to the side or in front of it.

      Microwaves are directional, and cince a microwave oven also has a "stirrer" in the top where the magenetron emits it's RF energy to make the oven cook evenly (a metal fan that turns slowish to bounce the RF energy all over the over interior.) it will come out the face in random directions.

      now remove the magenetron, fix a feedhorn to the front and now we can beam that energy where we want it.... Kill a bird on a tree limb, completely hose the aircraft radar at the local airport, etc....

      Now to completely correct you. you need to take the DOOR off and override all the safety equipment. taking the cover off does nothing as the RF chamber is still intact.

      I strongly suggest that nobody screw with high power microwave RF if they like life. that stuff cant cook parts of you and you will not know it until it start to hurt, and that means you are already cooked.

      but to learn more start looking at www.arrl.org

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    2. Re:So you want to DOS a wifi ?? by tttonyyy · · Score: 1
      Can you say, "cheap microwave oven" ???

      DSSS is designed to avoid problems with fixed frequency interference (IE microwave oven) by using chipping and correlation to spread the signal over a wider band. This should reduce the effect of narrow-band interference even at higher power - in theory. There is an excellent (pdf) paper on the subject, entitled Effects of Microwave Interference On IEEE 802.11 WLAN Reliability.

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      biopowered.co.uk - catalytically cracking triglycerides for home automotive use since 2008. Just say no to big oil!
    3. Re:So you want to DOS a wifi ?? by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 0

      Well, I have several 2.4ghz devices in my home and when I run my microwave AND when my NEIGHBOR runs their microwave ovens, all my 2.4ghz equipment goes to shit and my oven as well as my neighbors oven are sheilded the way they came from the factory.

      It's called LEAKAGE.. Yes, microwaves leak out of the oven. That's why the covers on them are ALLWAYS steel. Ever seen a microwave oven with plastic shells? No, because none exist. The steel casing is to shield the world from leakage.

      I say remove the cover and not the door because the leakage is not enough to cause you serious injury but it IS enough to disrupt electronic equipment, namely 2.x ghz equipment..

      Yes, I do know about microwaves. But I don't play dangerous games with them.

    4. Re:So you want to DOS a wifi ?? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Yes I do have a microwave oven with a plastic cover. It's in my Motorhome. and YES microwave ovens RUN safely without the back cover on LEAKAGE is usually due to a bad door seal, or crud in the door. and I meand door seal as in the gap is large enough for the 2.4ghz waves (which are approximately 1 inch long.. length of wave in feet = 234/Freq in MHZ) to get out (longwise in the case of a door seal if you have ANY opening near an inch long in any dimension the wave can get out.

      well, come to find out, the microwave ovens here at work have 5, 2 inch long vents on the sides... 2.4ghz microwaves can easily get out of those slots...

      look at your microwave, see how there are vents on the back..

      your RF chamber is sealed, otherwise the RF energy would get out and mess with the electronics that the over uses for control... put a CD in a muicrowave for an example of what 1000 watts at 2.4ghz will do to a silicon chip.

      BTW a microwave oven is 100,000 times more powerful than any WiFi gear you own. even the minor leakage from the front door is at least 2X the power level of your best wifi gear. and cince a microwave oven is a gigantic CW transmitter with a wide splatter band (I.E. there are NO notch filters or other RF filtering to ensure a tight transmission with reduced side lobes at the 2nd and 3rd harmonics on both sides of the carrier wave) it will even cause hell with the higher frequency cordless phones and lower frequency Cellphones.

      the back cover is NOT rf shielding it is merely protective shielding and larger ovens tend to release lots of heat and steam that will destroy and warp plastic... same reasons you don't find plastic toasters.

      RV's and large sailboats on the other hand need weight reduction and cince the microwave is very small you can get away with a plastic cover and shell... added to the fact that they are typically not used much at all compared to a home unit.

      as for dangerous games with them... there are lots of things that can be done safely if you know what you are doing... I.E. you are a RF/Radio/Radar engineer and know what to do and how to do it. fortunately most people are rightly scared to death of the typical microwave and therefore dont play with them.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    5. Re:So you want to DOS a wifi ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AFAIK microwaves in your oven would lose energy fairly quickly and would become harmless after traveling 2-3 meters

  27. Older / Single-band WiFi vulnerable by Shapemaker · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the article:
    Independent vendors have confirmed that there is currently no defence against this type of attack for DSSS based WLANs
    This is the same problem as with LA or VHF radio. Only one device can be transmitting at a time on a single frequency band. This stems from the fact that the receivers have to tune to a certain signal and no two signals are likely to be in the same phase, thus the strongest signal will win. Essentially these devices behave as if they are half-duplex, and well-timed (continuous) collisions will cause the whole segment to come down. This is what happens here. Remember the old coaxial 10base ethernet networks? They were vulnerable to the same thing.

    The unfortunate fact here is that there is no cure for this kind of misbehaviour. Old devices likely won't be upgradeable (hence no silver bullet). Multi-band hi-speed WiFi (54Mbit+) is not likely to be affected by this attack, but if they operate in compatibility mode they will be brought down, too. Intelligent access points can lessen the effect of this attack but that leaves the older devices out of the communications.

    Essentially this requires quite little work on the part of the attacker since no hi-powered transmitters are needed. That fortunately limits the range of the attack, too. I would like to know if anyone could calculate quick estimates as to the affected area with certain wattage transmitters. Anyone?
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    "Intellectual Property" should be an affront to anyone capable of independent thought.
    1. Re:Older / Single-band WiFi vulnerable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read somewhere that A=(pi) r^2

      So we just need to find r in terms of wattage.

      Wattage = w
      radius (r) = w/2

      So this gives us, A=(pi)(w/2)^2

      With 100 metric watts:
      A=(pi)(w/2)^2=(pi)(100/2)^2=7853.975

      So as you can see 7853.975

    2. Re:Older / Single-band WiFi vulnerable by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Isn't multi-channel wireless pretty socially irresponsible? That locks out others from using the band. There are only three non-overlapping bands for "g", using more than one might prevent others from legitimately setting up a network nearby.

    3. Re:Older / Single-band WiFi vulnerable by tonyray · · Score: 1

      Buy a 15 db Omni and a 4W amplifier (both easily purchased online) and you should be able to knock down everything in a 20-25 mile radius by sitting in your car on top of a hill.

      Warning: Put at least 4m between yourself and the antenna as that much power is not save to be near.

  28. Re:A future solution... CDMA? - NOT! by flatulus · · Score: 5, Informative

    CDMA would not solve this problem. CDMA operates the same as 802.11, in that it is a direct sequence spread spectrum modulation. They are different, though, in that 802.11 devices all use the same spreading code, whereas CDMA uses different spreading codes for each device. CDMA is based upon a "base station subscriber" model, where the base station controls all of the subscriber devices - telling them which codes to use, and managing the interference environment. 802.11 is based on a distributed "no node is greater than any other node" basis. Centralized management of spreading codes would require a total re-architecting of 802.11, and would take it in directions that are inimical to the design objectives of the technology.

    P.S. I am a member of the 802.11 committee -- I know of what I speak

  29. Scary dream. 100% true by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 1, Funny

    This is so scary. I just woke up from a dream about the headlines on /. Yes really.

    The top story was an article about how to make your own world-population-destroying-virus using a fish tank full of squirrel urine, and the editor had put some snide comment about "Why use squirrel piss when you can make your own terror virus using a tank of ordinary thirstful water?" and I was thinking "No fucking way is thirstful a word".

    There were no comments on the story and I was going to first post something like:
    --
    "Why use squirrel piss when you can make your own terror virus using a tank of ordinary thirstful water?"

    Because you must labour long and hard collecting the piss from squirrels while you think of the faces of your enemies...
    --

    Now is that sad or what? Note, this is not some bizarre, fucked-up troll post, I really did just have this dream, and was sad enough to post it to slashdot. (Did I really just check to see if the top story was about a terror virus??? How insane am I?????).

    P.S. the 2nd story was something about the mouse driver in X and how you shouldn't recode it for every application, but have only one mouse driver (!) and I was going to make some humerous post about "without a mouse driver, how is anyone these days going to be able to shut down their computer?". Well, it was funnier when I was asleep.

    graspee

    1. Re:Scary dream. 100% true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your sure you wern't browsing on that

      slashdot random story generator
      ?

  30. PDAs? Simple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Nice to know that a simple PDA could bring a WiFi network to its knees"

    Excuse me, but since when has a small portable computer ever been simple? It's a desktop PC in a smaller case you muppet!

    1. Re:PDAs? Simple? by djsalt.com · · Score: 1

      If you want to be anal about thingys then a PDA is relatively 'simple' in Some but not All aspects of technology and design. Do you really think your little PDA's processor is capable of multi-threading as many tasks as an uptodate desktop PC? nope.. can it display at 1600x1200 resolution @110Hz ..nope.. can it play Half-life or ut2004... hell no (to me that means a PDA is kinda simple, but thats just a personal view)

      --
      "No matter how much RAM i buy i never seem to be able to multi-task women"!
    2. Re:PDAs? Simple? by bcmm · · Score: 2, Informative

      Er... What? Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't PDAs based on a hardware architecture thats not used in desktops? Or at least not in PCs! Unless you count anything with RAM, a proccesor, and a disk as a PC...

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      # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
    3. Re:PDAs? Simple? by Arimus · · Score: 1

      To me my PC is more simple than even relatively low-end PDA's - to fit a reasonable processor, memory, graphics driver, screen, 802.11b chipset, bluetooth chips, serial, memory card support etc into that small a form factor with all the problems of power consumption, heat dispation with out using fans, rf interference between densely packed components etc makes a desktop pc look clunky by comparision....

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      --- Users are like bacteria -> Each one causing a thousand tiny crises until the host finally gives up and dies.
    4. Re:PDAs? Simple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would it make you happy if somebody put together a microcontroller, a 1-line LCD display, three buttons, and a wi-fi interface chip? Would that be simple enough for you?

  31. Re:And this is somehow new? by KDan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yup. In other breaking news, microwave ovens operating at certain frequencies have just been discovered to be an effective DoS tool for wireless networks within a limited range.

    Another undisclosed report by the NSA reports that hammers are pretty effective too, though their range is extremely short.

    Daniel

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    Carpe Diem
  32. Any signal locators available? by aggles · · Score: 1

    What a mess. The article mentions that 802.11a and 802.11g are excluded from the problem, but those modes suck for public access spots. 11a has the range of spit and 11g degrades as soon as an 11b host joins the party. With hard-wired ethernet, before switches emerged, jabbering NICs were a big problem. Similar problem here, but ID'ing the NIC address (even if possible) will be useless because NIC addresses can be spoofed. Detection of the attacker will have to be done by looking for someone with a smirk on their face. Might there be some law already on the books that prohibits disabling a commercial service? Its time for someone to invent a signal locator, configured to locate this vector of jabber. -aggles

  33. big f-n deal by P0lyh34) · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I can bring a cat 5 network down with one simple cable. Remember kids, hot to data! It should be noted that 460 3phase does signficant damage to networks and will arc about 1 inch to compleate the circut. :D

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    -Polyhead-
  34. Time is Money by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

    Think of this in a corporate sense. For them, time and data are money. If I was paying a development team $AU40+ an hour, how much would it cost if my 20 people had to spend another 5 hours, another 2 days, or a week.

    8 hours/day * 20 people * 7 days * $AU40 = $44800

    Not exactly realistic, but if you use distributed compilation programs, or anything else that *NEEDS* the network, the loss will be large enough.
    $44800 isn't much for a big company, but if I found the bastard I'd probably go to jail.

    And my friends and family laughed at me when I used ethernet for my lan.

    1. Re:Time is Money by devilspgd · · Score: 1

      Think of this in a corporate sense. For them, time and data are money. If I was paying a development team $AU40+ an hour, how much would it cost if my 20 people had to spend another 5 hours, another 2 days, or a week.

      Less then the cost of some cheap 24port switches and a few thousand feed of ethernet to manually wire everything.

      --
      Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day, but teach a man to phish...
    2. Re:Time is Money by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Uhhhhh...2 24 Port 100-BaseTX Speed sensing switches cost AU$798 where I live. Cat5E Cable Costs AU$1 to AU$1.50 per meter. Maybe AU$2 for Cat 6.
      2km of Cat 5E cable would cost about AU$3000.

      3000 + 798 = AU$3798.
      I don't know how much a data cabling pro costs, but AU$40000+ is kinda steep. That's above US$30000 for you Americans reading this.

      Oh, and for comparison, the wireless system that get DoSed, costing me $44000, would cost AU$3792 for the 21 802.11b cards, as well as another AU$175 if one access point could cover my whole building. That is a minimum of $AU3967. Of course, one access point won't cover the whole area with the necessary bandwidth, so factor in the cost of another 5 or 6, at least, maybe more, since you think I need 100m of cable between every computer and the switches. From the standpoint of reliablility, bandwidth, security, and cost, wired has a definite advantage. I'd only use it if I had a laptop. And i don't have a laptop, and have no intention of buying said expensive, unupgradable box that has an lcd screen, and doesn't have a graphics chipset worth the cost of the sand the silicon is extracted from.

      My life support machine gets all it's operating parameters from an 802.11b network, and it works fine. I'm still ali.....BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP

    3. Re:Time is Money by devilspgd · · Score: 1

      Ummm... Damn!

      According to XE.COM, 1 AUD = 0.955264 CAD

      According to TigerDirect.ca
      $104.99 CAD Gigafast - EE2400-SV - 10/100Mbps 24-Port Switch
      $132.99 Cables Unlimited - Cable Network Kit with 1000' CAT5 Grey UTP, RJ45 Micron Connectors and Crimp Tool
      $83.99 Cables To Go - 1000' Roll Cat5e Grey UTP

      If you don't have NICs already (most PCs do these days), add another $11/NIC, or another $500ish.

      So we're only talking 2*104.99+132.99+2*83.99, or $510.95CAD or about $534.88AUD. Up to around $1000 if you need NICs too.

      Now assuming you plan ahead a little, you can get stuff shipped reasonably inexpensively if you're willing to wait a few weeks... IIRC a friend of mine was looking at moving a bunch of his junk for under $400, although that's completely unsubstantiated because I can't find the chat log to verify the details.

      In short, if you're talking about losing $44000, it shouldn't be a big deal to shell out $10000 to make it happen. That gives you $9000 in labour to make it happen.

      Now admittedly things never work that easily in the business world, but still, it's feasible.

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  35. Is this really new? by Vellmont · · Score: 1

    It just sounds like putting a WiFi card into constant broadcast mode. I guess you can call that a "flaw", but not talking when someone else is talking is a common necessity to all shared channels, with the exception of code division multiplexing I believe.

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  36. It was an obvious problem by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    it's easy to flood a wireless network, when using colision avoidance, if you're the only one not playing by the rules, you can own the network. It's like being on a token ring, and editing your protocol stack, to never put new tokens on, once you get one, Nobody else gets to send. Any protocol can be broken if you have computers that don't follow the protocol.

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    1. Re:It was an obvious problem by dachshund · · Score: 1
      it's easy to flood a wireless network, when using colision avoidance, if you're the only one not playing by the rules, you can own the network.

      There are different levels of "easy". "Easy" where you have to send out hundreds or thousands of packets per second is different-- in terms of energy usage and complexity-- from "easy" where you only have to send out a small number of packets. From the description of this attack, it looks a lot like it falls into the latter category. Some of those problems can actually be avoided with smart protocol design and authentication.

  37. Seeing as how the 2.4GHz band is unregulated... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can't imagine how this got on the front page. A regular 2.4GHz cordless phone is enough to take down a WiFi network. And if you're willing to go with a non-portable solution, a cheap microwave will quite easily act as an on-off switch for the whole network.

    I remember vacuum cleaners used to destroy TV reception, so I can't imagine they're good for wireless networking either. Any ideas?

    aQazaQa

  38. Re:A future solution... CDMA? - NOT! by carvalhao · · Score: 1

    I believe you do... BUT, if you have a number of pseudo-random noise codes stored and try them out sequentially whenever a "channel" is occupied, you could create alternate links, rendering the jamming of the entire spred-frequency quite difficult (as you know, it's one of the advantages of CDMA), and allowing for a switch-like operation instead of a hub-like operation. When establishing a virtual "link", both end could switch to a pre-determined code, changing ever-so-often if needed in a sequence.

    There are probably some flaws in my reasoning, for I am a member of IEEE and know that the standards guys are amongs the brightest, but I'd like you to point them out for me: I'm always learning!

  39. Because it isn't by magefile · · Score: 1

    "in [sic] first glance"

    How long has 802.11 been around?

  40. WPA vulnerable too... by dark-br · · Score: 2, Informative

    If a user is trying to get in and sends two packets of unauthorized data within one second, WPA will assume it is under attack and shut down.

    The only thing the h4x0r need to do in this situation is send data frames periodically, causing constant shutdowns.

    Annoying enought he may be difficult or impossible to find because he don't need to use much transmit power or utilization of the network

  41. This affects WiFi phones by ewg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This affects WiFi phones as well, based on the AusCERT description of the problem as targeting the physical layer. Good to know before deploying an IP telephony solutions that include a WiFi component.

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  42. Tin foil hat by Fullmetal+Edward · · Score: 2, Funny

    pfft, we all know the exploit is covering the targets house in tin foil so it can't penetrate

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  43. Flexibility and where to run cables... by Kjella · · Score: 1

    I use a wired network, because it is all within close distance, and the machines are pretty static. My laptop is usually in easy "cabling distance" when I need that.

    My dad wanted to use one in the living room though. It was a good 20m worth of cabling, and you'd need to drill through a couple places. Not pretty, nor easy. Then again, turned out the wireless coverage got crappy at that distance (10-12m, 2 walls including one with closet) so we'd have to lay cable anyway, to set up an AP closer. Either that or get a serious antenna. So we used a plain cable anyway, just roll it in and out as needed. 100Mbit beat flaky 1Mbit connection every day of the week.

    Wireless is cool if you can cover e.g. the whole living area with one AP. But overall, I'm not too impressed either. Universities are cool though, usually have the right requirements (open landscape, powerful AP, multiple APs) for it. Personally I think I'll stick to cable...

    Kjella

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    1. Re:Flexibility and where to run cables... by TrancePhreak · · Score: 1

      With 2.4gHz equipment you can have a single AP on the 2nd floor of a house on the back side and sit on the front porch and get almost full signal. I missed my wireless while visiting the parents, and did just as I described. Their house is brick on the front.

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  44. Re:A future solution... CDMA? - NOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    writen by somone that wants to keep his job...

  45. Somehow, Somewhere by Swanktastic · · Score: 0, Funny

    A slashdotter is furiously spinning his wheels trying to figure out how to pin this on Microsoft. Because we all know that serious security issues can only be the result of evil capitalists cutting corners and simultaneously writing bloated code to satisfy the sinful graphical desires of lusers.

    1. Re:Somehow, Somewhere by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

      I could swear there some article on slasdhdot very recently about how Microsoft got into the WiFi business in 'improve the technology' but recently dropped out.

      Yeah.. thanks for your contribution Microsoft!

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    2. Re:Somehow, Somewhere by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      Trying to pin the fact that radio communication can be jammed on Microsoft? I'd say that that'd be a wee bit ambitious.

      The only thing that I can think of that could allow a fix would be, as the article alluded to, directional support in all 802.11 devices to help triangulate interference. Still a pretty awful hack.

  46. Lame article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Previously, attacks against the availability of IEEE 802.11 networks have required specialised hardware and relied on the ability to saturate the wireless frequency with high-power radiation, an avenue not open to discreet attack. This vulnerability makes a successful, low cost attack against a wireless network feasible for a semi-skilled attacker.

    That's complete BS. Just use the disassociate attack. It's even easier than the attack mentioned in the article, and people have been doing it for years.
    This article wasn't worth reading, sorry.

  47. PDA by Mr_Silver · · Score: 2, Informative
    Nice to know that a simple PDA could bring a WiFi network to its knees

    Last time I looked a simple PDA has a 400mhz processor, 64 meg of RAM, a 64k colour screen, multiple expansion sockets and support for WiFi and/or bluetooth.

    Hardly simple. You must be thinking of one of those Palm products :o)

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    1. Re:PDA by Fishd · · Score: 1

      Ok, I'll bite but only cuz it's a slow work day... ...but my "palm product" has a 400mhz processor, 64mb of ram a 64k 480x320 colour screen and support for bluetooth... and if sandisk engineers / lawyers pull their heads outta their ass I'd get wifi too!!!

      All that and I don't need to soft-reset it every day either!

    2. Re:PDA by macemoneta · · Score: 1
      Hardly simple. You must be thinking of one of those Palm products

      You mean like this one?

      Let's see, 400MHz processor, 64 meg of RAM a 64K color screen, an SD/SDIO expansion socket and WiFi.

      You should check the product line before dissing them. They're inexpensive and well built, with a considerable library of free/commercial software.

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    3. Re:PDA by Mr_Silver · · Score: 1
      You should check the product line before dissing them.

      I was joking (hence the smiley) but there was a serious comment hidden away.

      If it wasn't for MS and Compaq giving them a swift kick up their complacent arse, we'd all be still living in black and white days with a piss poor diary, 4k note limit, limited contact fields, no today screen and expansion slots which necessitate a great big sleeve.

      I had a Vx, it was pretty good but time has moved on and unfortunately Palm hasn't moved on as quickly as they should have done.

      The products are very capable, but they've gone from being leader of the pack (by a massive margin) to copying the specs (with the exception of the screen dimension and camera) of nearly every PocketPC 2003 device out there.

      A shame really.

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    4. Re:PDA by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't even need a 'simple PDA;' you'd need a power supply, and something that can spray out random noise in the appropriate frequency range.

      You can probably build a 'wi-fi jammer' from Radio Shack parts. Well, maybe not anymore; Radio Shack seems to be moving away from electronics and what not.

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  48. No, it's not about this. by leuk_he · · Score: 1

    Despite that googling on "wifi denial of service" comes up with your link, the discovered vulnerabilty is not about the ones that are descibed in the article you found.

    1. Re:No, it's not about this. by imidazole2 · · Score: 1

      Yup, but its got good general information on protecting yourself. Like being secure, physically.

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  49. Re:A future solution... CDMA? - NOT! by flatulus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Insufficent spectrum with which to develop long enough spreading codes to both achieve the needed low cross-correlation (from one code to any other code), and still maintain 11 Mbits/sec transmission speed. (note: to achieve 11 Mbit/s in 22 MHz of spectrum, 802.11b uses a complex modulation scheme known as CCK - Complementary Code Keying. While I do not fully understand the math behind this, it seems that CCK is unlikely to be amenable to use in creating families of codes with low cross-correlation properties - needed for CDMA).

    IS-95 CDMA, I believe, transmits a few kilobits/sec of voice information in a 1.2 MHz bandwidth, using "standard" DSSS. CDMA works because the coding gain with such a huge ratio of data bandwidth to DSSS modulation bandwidth is much larger than that achieved in 802.11 systems.

    If you are willing to drop your data rate to, oh, 200 kilobits/sec in the 2.4 GHz band, perhaps 802.11 could be redesigned to accomplish CDMA techniques.

    Still, setting up "point-to-point" RF links between individual end user stations would require an enormous amount of computing horsepower (check out a CDMA base station for comparison). And it would not deal with broadcasts, which would still have to be forwarded to an access point - be recoded for each INDIVIDUAL link to each subscriber it serves - and retransmitted N times, where N=number of users served by the access point.

    Other systems actually do use techniques somewhat like this, but rather than code division, they use space division (e.g. Vivato, which uses electronic beam steering to establish point-to-point links with each subscriber station).

    As I originally stated, and let me re-state - 802.11 is architected on the basis of an "all stations are equal" approach, which makes an uncomfortable fit with a centralized control design. The committee entertained many, many proposals which included centralized control, and rejected them. There are a couple of straightforward reasons: 1) The RF spectrum in which these devices operate is unlicensed and hence "uncontrolled". A base-station centric design would make it so that no station could communicate at all if that base station were experiencing service-blocking interference. The chosen design, though not completely eliminating this failure mode, is more resilient in the face of such issues. Second, the 802.11 MAC is essentially identical for use in an infrastructure mode (i.e. with access points connected to a "distribution medium", typically a wired LAN) and in "ad hoc" mode (where there are only "stations" - no infrastructure at all). Most people forget about "ad hoc" mode, but the committee could not. Their charter required that it be accommodated.

    Your turn :)

  50. The "Internet Off" Switch by 8400_RPM · · Score: 1

    When I took a white hat hacking class last summer, one of my instructors had a old X10 device that he modified and put in a generic box with the words "Internet Off" on it. Flip the switch, and the internet turns off for everyone 100 feet or so.

  51. Re:A future solution... CDMA? - NOT! by carvalhao · · Score: 1

    You are right! If Shannon were still alive, he'd be kicking my ass :) Thank you for the time you took to enlighten me. Good to have a constructive exchange os posts, for a change. :)

  52. Just like a cell phone... by chrisbw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This really isn't anything revolutionary. You can take down cell phones in the area that a handheld jammer can transmit. I don't think anyone has ever asserted that low-power wireless transmissions can't be DOS'ed by other low-power wireless transmissions.

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    1. Re:Just like a cell phone... by slashusrslashbin · · Score: 1

      Oh man, where can I get me a handheld jammer for mobile phones? If I hear "I'm on/in the train/bus/cinema" once more, I reserve the right to go Postal(TM)...

  53. New Super G AP's are doing the same thing by CompWerks · · Score: 3, Informative

    A similar note is that the new Super G wireless routers are using the entire spectrum of 11 channels to increase the speed to a reported 108mbps. It's not an approved standard, but as long as it's not enabled at the factory they are still able to sell them.

    If you want to knock out your neighbor's ap just run your Super G router with 108mbps mode enabled.

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  54. [Grammar-Nazi] "Lose", not "loose". by JessLeah · · Score: 2, Informative

    The word is "Lose". You do not "loose" (antonym of "tight") money.

    1. Re:[Grammar-Nazi] "Lose", not "loose". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Commas and periods belong inside adjacent quotation marks, not outside.

      Regards,
      A Fellow Grammar Nazi

  55. This could be used for Good by 8400_RPM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a network admin, I would love to have several 802.11 jammers, and plant them all over the building. This would keep people from installing rouge wireless networks.

    1. Re:This could be used for Good by egomaniac · · Score: 1

      This would keep people from installing rouge wireless networks.

      I presume that beige wireless networks are okay?

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  56. Re:Probably obvious to the people who made protoco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WiFi isn't CSMA/CD, but CSMA/CA.

  57. Technology split by khakipuce · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Has it not always been the case that there are technologies of convenience and technologies on which we depend? The convenience technologies - your TV remote for example - are engineered for price/features and you can live without them (go on... you can, you know you can, if you really try).The others, the ones on which we really depend (drugs, aircraft flight systems etc.) are engineered for reliability/price.

    The upshot is that conveniece and reliability are generally opposing design goals. Things which are highly reliable by definition must be mature (read old) technologies - you can't know if it will run for n years if you haven't run 1000's of examples for more than n years. WiFi is both relativly new and falls into the convenience camp. And until we can be convinced otherwise it must stay there.

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  58. Re:A future solution... CDMA? - NOT! by devilspgd · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm pretty sure factual knowledge is, by definition, off topic for /. so I'm going to have to ask you to take it elsewhere.

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  59. dammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    _You_ took my RJ-45 -to- 3-prong Edison adapter off of my desk, didn't you?

  60. The First WiFi DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first denial of service were discovered much much earlier. They were:

    #1. Linksys firmware
    #2. Linksys drivers
    #3. XP pre Wireless Rollup Fix

  61. The lost art of code review's by Ghost-in-the-shell · · Score: 1


    Oh the lost art of code review's. It seems to me that every time a program - or in this case a protocol - is written. Someone finds a hole in it. What ever happened to taking your code to someone with more experience and asking "hey, is there anything wrong with this"

    code, review, fix bugs, review again, fix more bugs and review again....

    Eventually you have a solid, stable product.

    Rinse, Lather, repeat!

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    1. Re:The lost art of code review's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because standards don't get reviewed by committee after committee after committee...

      You were gunning for insightful
      But you ended up with overrated
      So you cursed the mods of Slashdot
      then you browsed some porn and masturbated...

      Excerpt from "Uninsightful Fool" now available on ITunes music store for just 99cents.

    2. Re:The lost art of code review's by Ghost-in-the-shell · · Score: 1

      But writing a code for a standard should!

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  62. Re:Probably obvious to the people who made protoco by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I only know about the theoretical side of CSMA/CD, but as far I can see, its an ineherent flaw in communicating over shared broadcast channels.

    Few communication channels follow the abstract "shared broadcast" model.

    If all devices had and used directional receiver antennas (say, six antennas pointing in different directions with that pick up different signal strengths and determine the source location based on these strengths), we could avoid the problem.

  63. Ok, lets be realistic by tenaciousdRules · · Score: 1

    Bring a WiFi network to its knees? What is the range on a transmitter being powered by a PDA? Not far. Walk over to another access point on your network or leave that Starbucks and go to the one ACROSS THE STREET. My neighbor has the same cordless phone as I do. Talk about interference? I have to change the channel on the phone every time I make a call....Now THAT is annoying!

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  64. This is news? by ThisIsFred · · Score: 1

    I've got news for ya, you can do the same thing on your local network with a regular lan card. You can also make a much less expensive jammer with an old microwave, or better yet, you can make a broad band (not cable internet) jammer with a file, some wires and a battery. It's being broadcast on public airspace, denial of service is trivially accomplished.

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  65. The send and... by Phidoux · · Score: 1

    ... pray networking protocol strikes again.

  66. Known about this for ages by skinfitz · · Score: 1

    I've known about this for ages after it was pointed out to me by a guy at DNSCON.

    TBH I didn't realise it was not common knowledge.

  67. Talk about stating the obvious! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sun is really bright will be their next discovery! I figured this out the first time I white boarded 802.11b two years ago, I just can't yell fscking DUH loud enough.

  68. Apples and Fruit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How would this attack not deny service? Denial of Service is a very broad term, which this Lack of Carrier attack clearly fits into.

    Contrast DoS with Intrusive attacks, where you don't disrupt the network, but break in and use resources or take information.

  69. A Radio DDOS? Go figure by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    This should not suprise anyone, its radio.. Radio interference is an age old problem, and just goes with the territory of using non-directional radio signals.

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  70. Radio Jammer by CaptainFrito · · Score: 1
    Wow, a radio jammer. What will they think of next?

    At least they're churning out real geniuses in academia now. I'll bet these guys will soon figure out that if they plug CAT5 cables into wall sockets they can disrupt all the wired LAN stuff withing the area too.

    1. Re:Radio Jammer by m0Rph3u5 · · Score: 1

      the exploit is _not_ a radio jammer. perhaps a reread of the advisory is in order?

  71. Security Alert: Microwave ovens by 5A454C5048 · · Score: 1

    Hey, did you know that you can disrupt a wireless network with a FREAKIN' MICROWAVE OVEN??

    Wow, I'm so glad I read slashdot so I could learn that ten times.

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  72. I've known this for years. by Nonillion · · Score: 1

    It is very easy to build 2.4GHz transmitters that can jam 802.11 networks, this is why people should consider things like this when deploying networks using radio technology. Even microwave ovens will do this. And as a side note, BPL (broadband over power lines) are even more suseptable to jamming from something as simple as a CB radio that can wipe out access for blocks.

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  73. There's an even easier way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hell my 2.4 GHz Panasonic cordless phone loves to bring my wireless network to its knees whenever someone is talking on it.

  74. Re:Important information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Then I fear the terrorists have already won ...

  75. Wow took em this long?!? by Metex · · Score: 1

    At Defcon X there was a british groupe whos name I cant recall at the moment who was using the same attack. This is pretty old news in my opinion.

    BTW they werent using a palm and a crappy antenna but a laptop and a really good hi-gain antenna. Said they had a 3-mile radius of wifi knockout capibility but they choused to intelligently not display the technique... or at least didnt while I was around.

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  76. It's not a simple PDA that does it... by UnrefinedLayman · · Score: 1

    ...it's a tricorder.

    Oh, wait.

  77. 802.11 is Meeting right now by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    The IEEE 802.11 working group is meeting right now in Garden Grove, California.

    They are collectively raising their eyes to the sky and saying "Duh! Another idiot stating the obvious".

    A posse is being organized. Hundreds of angry engineers, all bearing their IEEE Wirless Interim meeting badges, will descend on the offending researchers with pitchforks and other spikey objects.

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  78. Your method sucks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I send them the email so I know exactly what's in it, and tell them i'll give them the hammer if they don't open it!

  79. Ad-Hoc mode DOS/Trojan by TheSync · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At a recent conference I worked, we provided 802.11b wireless Internet access. Lots of people were complaining about the conenction, so I fired up NetStumbler and noticed that there was an Ad-Hoc node on the same channel and same SSID as our AP.

    Evidently, a lot of the "automagic" features on laptops to find and connect to an AP decided to connect to the Ad-Hoc node (in Ad-Hoc mode, of course).

    Also I am really of the impression that the existence of an Ad-Hoc node on the same channel as an AP causes severe degredation of the channel throughput. Maybe someone can confirm/deny this.

    Anyway, I used my amateur radio transmitter hunting skills to track down the guy stuck on Ad-Hoc mode, including wrapping a cone of aluminum foil around my PCMCIA 802.11b card to give it some directionality. I finally found the guy, asked him to turn off his wireless card. He said he had no idea what Ad-Hoc mode was...

    By the way, this attack would be a killer way to distribute a virus at a trade show...I suppose someone could even have a trojan horse AP to do something like that as well.

  80. Well duh by macdaddy · · Score: 1

    This isn't news. Any ham radio operator can legally disrupt a wifi network if they are using the same frequency(ies). Hams take precendence over those frequencies and can therefore tell the wifi operators to shut their equipment down. I wrote about this a couple years ago at my last job when our Unv was considering rolling out some wifi. Nothing new here. $5 worth of electronics can be used to illegally disrupt wifi too. Fun, eh? :-)

  81. Licensing for the patch will be negotiable by MAFIAA · · Score: 1

    I have checked over the protocols and everything and found the problem and the solution to it. Filing my patent now... (every fiasco end with SCO)

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  82. doh. by beware1000 · · Score: 1

    I live just down the road from that university. All I need is uni students running down my street playing with my WiFi

  83. Good. STOP USING WIFI, MORONS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only person on the planet who realizes that wifi shouldn't be used in 90% of the places it's being installed?

    It should ONLY be used with a vpn by most companies. Personally, I *love* the idea of unreliable wifi, because I HATE the idea of "reliable" wifi.

    I would most appreciate any links or experience with wifi jammers.

  84. It's All Clear Channel's Fault! by mikewren420 · · Score: 1

    ...from the link...

    "Fundamental to the functioning of CSMA/CA is the Clear Channel Assessment (CCA) procedure, used in all standards-compliant hardware and performed by a Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum (DSSS) physical (PHY) layer.

    I knew those evil corporate bastids were behind this somehow!! ;)

  85. Re:A future solution... CDMA? - NOT! by The+Conductor · · Score: 1

    Insufficent spectrum with which to develop long enough spreading codes to both achieve the needed low cross-correlation (from one code to any other code), and still maintain 11 Mbits/sec transmission speed.

    In spread-spectrum jargon, we would say, "insufficient processing gain."

    But anyhow, cellphone- or 802.11-style direct-sequence spread spectrum is not known for resistance to intentional jamming (in some ways it is actually worse than narrow band). For jamming resistance you need military-style frequency hop. But the problem with ad-hoc networks seems more fundamental to me. How can a new device join a network without some sort of shared secret? You have to have some sort of publically accessible channel to get the spreading or hopping codes. If that channel is publically accessible, then it can be jammed. Hence Bluetooth "pairing", where you mometarily open a channel for exchange of persistent keys.

  86. This claim is pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CCA attacked for DoS seems to be the central idea of this claim.

    This claim is pathetic.

    CCA is what makes WiFi work

    CCA is the dominant factor in slowing down your WLAN near cordless phones and microwaves, not the actual interference that causes packet decoding to fail. Same with any jamming.

    CCA is that makes WLAN robust around other uncordinated devices to some degree, thus easy to deploy. Since ISM band requires compliant devices not to occupy channels longer than a certain time period at a time.

    CCA is what satisfies the FCC regulation for the ISM band for listen-before-talk. (which no longer applies in some bands, like the 5GHz)

    CCA in 2.5Ghz WiFi may include energy-based (-75 dBm or lower threshold depending on your own trasmit power) deferal. You are not supposed to transmit if you hear anything stronger than this threshold in terms of energy.
    Also, there is digital version of this, i.e., detecting a valid 802.11 signal, which is in fact way more sensative than energy based CCA.
    There are other specified ways to do CCA, but the 5 GHz WiFi does not include the energy-based CCA.

    Nonetheless, it is not difficult to detect DoS on CCA. There is even a standards activity on making this even easier in 802.11k TG.

    These guys claiming to have discovered this is either clueless about WiFi systems, or just trying to get publicity.

    Yes, you can DoS by confusing CCA, but it's no different from a jammer, which any unlicensed system has few recourse.

  87. Re:A future solution... CDMA? - NOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about using the same math which powers Cad? (new edonkey) Wouldn't that solve the problem? And wouldn't it allow world-wide-wireless-peer-powered-network?
    Just asking...

  88. Who says they didn't know? NOT a surprise. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    how come "other people" are soooo smart in finding bugs in the system, than the system creators itself?

    Who says they didn't know about it?

    Jamming is EASY, and being able to jam any radio signal is a given. That's clearly understood by anyone who works with radio. (Spread spectrum techniques are harder to jam than narrowband, but not by much.)

    Why is this suddenly the subject of news items, wringing of hands, and viewing-with-alarm? How can ANYONE POSSIBLY think this is a surprise?

    The ONLY thing that's news is that somebody finally got around to doing it.

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  89. You are misinformed badly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The actual Micheal countermeasure that you may think as a DoS hole, only gets invoked when a "partially" successful forgery attack is detected, which has probablity of roughly 2^32 or 2^60 (my memory fails me). Which was not considered strong enough (probable in a several days/months of constant trying), thus the counter measure to extend the time to a year or more.
    It is not just any two packets.

    Again, it only applies to WPA (802.11i TKIP modes), not 802.11i AES-CCMP mode which is about to be ratified.

  90. This is NOT a "bug in the system". by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Insightful

    how come "other people" are soooo smart in finding bugs in the system, than the system creators itself?

    Because they never look.


    This is NOT a "bug in the system". Being jammable is inherent in ANY radio based communication system.

    Just as you can't hear and understand the person talking to you across the room when a pair of people are shouting in your ears or when another person with a similar voice is babbling nonsense at the same time, and you can't read morse code flashlight blinks sent by someone standing between you and the sun, so you can't receive and decode what a Wi-Fi card is sending you when another Wi-Fi card is transmitting "chatter".

    The same is true on Cable TV modem signals (where a neighbor's chattering box jams your uplink), on 10-Base Ethernet (where you're all on one coaxial cable and a single chattering device is a constant collision), on broadcast radio and TV (where a nearby signal will wipe out or override and replace a distant one), radar, telephone party lines, hearing (meetings disrupted by the guy with the bullhorn), vision (strobe lights, searchlights, sombody standing between you and what you want to see), and so on.

    Jammability is inherent in sharing a transmission medium with an additiona transmitter which is misbehaving, not some "bug" in any particular system.

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    1. Re:This is NOT a "bug in the system". by m0Rph3u5 · · Score: 1

      erm, but it _is_ a bug. it is a bad CCA design that allows this exploit to be launched. this is not a radio jammer, it exploits the fact that CCA is not robust enough...

    2. Re:This is NOT a "bug in the system". by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      erm, but it _is_ a bug. it is a bad CCA design that allows this exploit to be launched. this is not a radio jammer, it exploits the fact that CCA is not robust enough...

      I.e. it takes advantage of the fact that the MAC holds off transmitting when it hears the channel is in use, delaying its transmission until the channel is sufficiently clear. So an attacker can use a low power signal to cause it to hold off indefinitely.

      And this is perceived as a "bug", because it can be mounted with a small amount of power when completely blanketing the band would require much more.

      In fact it's not a bug - because if the bad guy wanted to he could just use the higher-power alternative. This "bug" just makes it possible to do this with less power.

      But another alternative attack exists which is even more effective and requires a similarly small amount of power, and would NOT be prevented by gutting the holdoff mechanism.

      Consider what would happen if the Wi-Fi MAC were NOT "polite" and went ahead and transmitted despite the appearance of traffic on the channel. Its data would sometimes get through despite the described attack. But the attacker can instead sent a bursty signal that combines with the good guy's signal to inject more errors than the forward error recovery can correct. The result is corrupted packets which are dropped.

      So instead of holding off the packets until the attacker shuts up, the transmitter throws them into the meat grinder and they are lost. Even worse, yes?

      The only mitigating circumstance is that with this alternative the jammer must make his signal heard at the receiver, rather than the transmitter, of the packet to be blocked. But given that the conversation needs to be two-way to keep the link up, both ends are the "receiver" for the total conversation, it STILL works if he can only be heard by one end.

      Further, "fixing" this bug means the "improved" Wi-Fi devices will NOT share the band well, either with other Wi-Fi devices or with non Wi-Fi users.

      So I maintain that this is not a "bug", because the prescribed behavoir doesn't prevent jamming (just this PARTICULAR flavor of it, when another just as effective and low-resource is available), while improving the link quality in the absense of deliberate jamming and reducing the ability of the "fixed" version to share the band.

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    3. Re:This is NOT a "bug in the system". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      everyone in here seems to think they know everything when in actual fact, no one has even seen the specifics of the attack...so many are quick to critise, when they don't even know what they are critising...

      having had the opportunity to see the actual apecifics of the paper, i can say a lot of people have misconceived the idea from the beginning...

  91. Re:And this is somehow new? by dgatwood · · Score: 1
    And X11 cameras. I've never seen a more complete decimation of an 802.11 signal.... :-)

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  92. Re:And this is somehow new? by tenaciousdRules · · Score: 1

    I have taken some time out of my day to explore this "hammer method". Indeed. It does work. And although attacks of this sort must be carried out at very close proximity to the device in question, the results are wonderfull.

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  93. Already out by Jozer99 · · Score: 1

    It is already well documented. It is called a microwave oven.

  94. ... but why? by muck1969 · · Score: 1

    "wOOt! I jammed their wi-fi!! 1!11! LOL The peeps at Fartbucks internet cafe can't get on line!!11! !"

    Big whoop-de-doo. Where's the fun in doing that? I could get more Evil-Thrills-per-Minute(tm) by making prank calls.

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  95. Re:A future solution... CDMA? - NOT! by The+Conductor · · Score: 1

    I can't speak on Cad/edonkey specifically, but wide-area packet-switched networks generally use multiple hops and time-to-live counters on the packets. If the machines forwarding packets are properly configured (and not compromised), jamming attacks can only take down the local subnet and in that case everyone else routes around. Wireless LAN's have to use a shared RF channel and thus are vulnerable jamming.

  96. If Kevin Mitnik ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    was judged capable of starting a Nuclear War if given access to a pay telephone, then bringing down a simple WiFi network with a PDA doesn't sound like much of a challenge.

  97. Nothing New by xQx · · Score: 1

    Hasn't everybody known if you rip the door off your microwave and put it on the roof of the house you'll disrupt all free wireless transmissions in the neighbourhood.

    2.4GHz cordless phones are just as effected.

    This is hardly something new? I don't understand why it's even newsworthy.

    Here's some news for tomorrow:

    A bug exists in DHCP where people can DoS it by stealing all the IP addresses in your scope with this new program which asks for an address, changes it's MAC, asks for another. etc. -- It's almost impossible to tell where the person is in big networks without tracing through your switched infrastructure.

    It's simply not news. The designers knew this was possible, it was too difficult to fix and as yet nobody's been bored enough to exploit it.

  98. It's simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Make protocol which depends on carrier detection to perform MAC (CSMA/CA, somewhat similar to the CSMA/CD of HDX ethernet, but unable to detect colisions).In order to reduce colisions, hold off TX while carrier is detected. Release this "super cheapo" MAC with a trendy name (WiFi). Enjoy massive spectral pollution, in one of the few usefull part 15 bands.
    2. Supply constant carrier, even a weak one
    3. ????
    4. Profit! (er.. I mean encourage development of a proper vendor agnostic OTA MAC, like a token-ring-esque polling MAC, or even CDMA.)

    Come on, what's so hard????
    Why are we stuck with crap like 802.11, why isn't 802.16 here yet????
    Even cheap ass propritary units poll, look at Trango (and they can't even seem to figure out ARQ, of all things)

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