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Australian Computer Museum Needs a Saviour

femto writes "The Sydney Morning Herald is reporting that the Australian Computer Museum (archive.org) is to close due to lack of funds. It is the largest computer collection in Australia. Failing an offer of a permanent home, they need storage space or money to pay for it. They also need some way to sort the collection."

179 comments

  1. Big Loss by BlindSpy · · Score: 1

    Hopefully they will sell off some of their stuff and get money for a smaller place until they can gain more revenue. Until then... I'll sort their stuff.

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    1. Re:Big Loss by essreenim · · Score: 1

      they need storage space
      ..to store more storage space!!

    2. Re:Big Loss by hagardtroll · · Score: 1

      I hope they have a compucolor II, I'd buy it.

    3. Re:Big Loss by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      I just need a new CRT for mine... I miss that machine.

  2. Antique computers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You mean, like, 486's?

    /me ducks.

    1. Re:Antique computers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, more like the computer people bought yesterday with the processor that is 1/10 of a gigahertz slower than the one released today and the video card that only pushes 9bazillion polys per second instead of 9.1 bazillion.

    2. Re:Antique computers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      No, more like coal fired.

    3. Re:Antique computers? by ACMS+Prez · · Score: 2, Funny

      :) :) 486's are among the NEWER stuff we have. We use them to stand on.

    4. Re:Antique computers? by deetsay · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If it's anything like the computer museum here in Jyväskylä, Finland, then actually YES there's huge stacks of 486's everywhere... But those aren't the ones presenting any storage problems - it's the huge hard drives and stuff from the 50's and 60's that you can't move around without a forklift. And they really can't be sold away to make money - some of the craziest drooling slashdottir MIGHT have the hots for some slick 70's rackmount computer, but nobody wants a room-sized pile of junk metal that could maybe store maybe a megabyte, and in a data-seeking competition would lose to a VIC-1541, if you could afford the electricity to turn it on.

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  3. Thats to bad they dont... by mw5299 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Thats to bad they dont have any funding. I seem to have a few computers for there museum.

    1. Re:Thats to bad they dont... by basingwerk · · Score: 2, Funny

      We have a local 'museum' for this kind of stuff. Sorting it is easy - they just mix it together with all kinds of other useless stuff, and keep it outside in a large heap.

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  4. RIP Bob Bemer - The Father of ASCII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I just read some sad news on CNN.com - computer geek/futurist/programmer Bob Bemer died on Tuesday at his home in Texas. He died at age 84 after a long battle with cancer. I'm sure we'll all miss him, even if you weren't a fan of his work there's no denying his contribution to computer science. Truly a geek icon.

    1. Re:RIP Bob Bemer - The Father of ASCII by BlindSpy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Send his scull over to the museum as a donation =)

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    2. Re:RIP Bob Bemer - The Father of ASCII by anubi · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Its sobering to think that not only the machines we all knew and grew up with are passing away into oblivion, but also those who designed those early machines are also passing away.

      Those were the days when this technology was still full of unknowns and dreams of possibilities were limitless. Just the word "computer" conjured images of electronic brains doing what was in our wildest imagination. Oh, the stories that were told in those days.

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    3. Re:RIP Bob Bemer - The Father of ASCII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a Y2K bug. Combined with a Pentium division error. Those responsible have been sacked. Btw, MP were in prime form in advance of Bemer's excellent prognostications. I like to think the comedy troop really did have a profound influence on those who have understood the importance of human being and not bowing to the evil of people who believe killing other people is an acceptable form of logic. Long live the memory of Bemer!

    4. Re:RIP Bob Bemer - The Father of ASCII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I deal with cancer pattetnt;s everedday and i L0ve them all.

      fuck you
      markln
      igh

  5. Heapsort! by orthogonal · · Score: 4, Funny

    the Australian Computer Museum... need[s] storage space... [and] some way to sort the collection.

    While Bubble Sort is always a sentimental favorite, I suggest Heapsort for its O( n log n) runtime, even in the worst case, and, even more importantly given the Museum's lack of storage space, Heapsort's use of only a fixed amount of extra space in which to do the sort.

    Also, there is a BSD'd Heapsort implemented using forklifts and standard warehouse storage crates.

    1. Re:Heapsort! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quicksort runs in O(n lg n) and can sort in place. See? There's no need for additional storage space! Problem solved!

    2. Re:Heapsort! by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      They also need some way to sort the collection...

      I was going to say, they should just fire up one of the old machines and run a sorting algorithm. However, someone beat me to it.

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    3. Re:Heapsort! by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      But worst case, quicksort is O(n^2).

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    4. Re:Heapsort! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But worst case, they still don't have to move.

  6. Not very exciting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Beyond the /. crowd, nobody really cares. They need to somehow figure out how to appeal to a broader audience. This isn't meant to be a troll, I believe it's the truth.

    1. Re:Not very exciting by BlindSpy · · Score: 1

      Thats a very good point. They are aiming at a very small percentage of potential customers... what they need is some government funding.

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    2. Re:Not very exciting by ev1lcanuck · · Score: 2, Interesting
      They should take a hint from the Science Fiction Museum in Seattle. We went on opening day last week (by fluke actually) and it was actually fairly interesting. Quite a bit of money was put into it but they made it good enough for my mom to be able to tolerate it - she actually even found some of the things interesting.

      The Australian Computer Museum needs to be able to educate the non geeks on why exactly what they have is important and why average joe should care.

    3. Re:Not very exciting by ACMS+Prez · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's EXACTLY what we are trying to do. We want it to be hands-on.

    4. Re:Not very exciting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I hope they don't get any government funding. I'm an Australian, and the way our social services (schools, hospitals, etc) have been going lately, its stupid to spend money on storing what's essentially scrap steel. Were an actual museum in need of funds, it'd be a different story, but come on, these are just computers. I may be a nerd, but these are useless pieces of junk, any historical value of them can just as easily be served by photographs.

    5. Re:Not very exciting by DrMrLordX · · Score: 1

      Few people, even geeks/nerds/what have you, will show much interest in a pile of dusty, poorly-organized machines from the past. These machines will do little to enlighten potential visitors about computing's past even when properly displayed.

      A better museum would be one which had detailed technical layouts and histories of old computers of all types readily available for access at a number of computer terminals. They could even set up some sort of CAD-like system that could show museum-attendees the ins and outs of old computers, possibly by showing the viewer each component of the machine in a step-by-step construction sequence(which could be toggled forwards or backwards by the viewer). Let people see approximately how the machines were put together, piece by piece, and they'll definitely see what went into making them.

      Couple that with another set of terminals running legacy operating systems via emulation. Let users mess around with virtual systems or even virtual networks of systems. Imagine if you had your own local simulation of the original ARPANET, or something along those lines.

      But, who knows . . . all the hands-on displays in the world might not make the subject interesting to the public. All that is certain is that a junk-pile of old hardware, even one that is properly cleaned and organized, will not energize the public.

    6. Re:Not very exciting by tcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Were an actual museum in need of funds, it'd be a different story, but come on, these are just computers. I may be a nerd, but these are useless pieces of junk, any historical value of them can just as easily be served by photographs.

      Bet you wouldn't say that about the artifacts in any "actual museum".

      The bias is there because this is recent history. People might have felt the same way about Jacquard looms circa 1804 in the 1840's... but now they're of interest to schools, modern historians, Industrial Revolution enthusiasts, computer geeks etc.

      Who's to say that the beginning of the Information Age won't be seen as an important period of history in a couple of hundred years time, and that these machines won't have a valid place in an "actual museum"?

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    7. Re:Not very exciting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You almost, but not quite, grasp the point. Instead you look at the situation backwards.

      "recent history" - right. Meaning that all of that shit is still common. Meaning that in most cases this stuff could be recreated in toto, or picked up cheap from universities or at garage sales, so it's a complete waste of money to put it in accomodation that people could use instead.

      Get some fucking perspective! I see the other guy expressing this opinion got a Flamebait almost instantly - well good for you, liberal fuckwad culture vultures. Enjoy bullshitting to each other over a glass of chardonnay as you comment on the smooth lines of the Prime vs. the Star-Wars-Empire-esque DG Nova. I hope one day you find yourself down in the gutter looking at a computer museum you can't afford to enter, then maybe you'll find that perspective.

      Who's to say that the rise of eBay and other commodity trading mechanisms won't preserve these machines? (I won't say ironically because only an idiot FM radio listener would call it that.) They'll just become more valuable, collected by geeks of private means. Eventually when they die they'll be bequeathed to museums, in a process we've seen over and over again with paintings and other works of art. Why any government would seek to waste money on crap like this I don't know. Granted we don't have a huge deficit problem right now (hehe... Bush) but why create one through profligate spending?

    8. Re:Not very exciting by tcr · · Score: 1

      You almost, but not quite, grasp the point.

      What exactly is "the point"? Your point? Not sure if you are the same Anonymous Coward as before.

      Meaning that in most cases this stuff could be recreated in toto

      But it won't be.

      so it's a complete waste of money to put it in accomodation that people could use instead.

      That's entirely another issue. Surely you could argue that about any museum?

      Get some fucking perspective! I see the other guy expressing this opinion got a Flamebait almost instantly - well good for you, liberal fuckwad culture vultures.

      I might be wrong, but in all probability I stopped caring about ./ karma before you stumbled along here, and I'm not responsible for other peoples' moderation anyhow. And if you knew the slightest thing about me before slinging around your limp generalisations, you'd never consider calling me a Liberal.

      Enjoy bullshitting to each other over a glass of chardonnay

      I'm more of a Shiraz man, but my real passion is decent beer. Relevance?

      I hope one day you find yourself down in the gutter looking at a computer museum you can't afford to enter, then maybe you'll find that perspective.

      The vast majority of my local museums in London are free, so perhaps I'm spoiled. But best of luck finding a therapist who can address that monumental chip on your shoulder.

      Who's to say that the rise of eBay and other commodity trading mechanisms won't preserve these machines?

      As my post made clear, I was talking in the context of a couple of hundred years. Are you sure Ebay will be around then?

      They'll just become more valuable, collected by geeks of private means.

      And private collections have been such good news for public museums and galleries.

      Eventually when they die they'll be bequeathed to museums, in a process we've seen over and over again with paintings and other works of art.

      Many collectable works have found their way into galleries and museums via wealthy benefactors such as the Gettys' (no *nix reference implied) from equally wealthy private collectors. Better to stockpile the stuff on the cheap now, yeah? Just in case?

      Why any government would seek to waste money on crap like this I don't know.

      Perhaps you should open your eyes and see what crap your Government is REALLY wasting its money on. I say this with confidence, because it's an axiom wherever you live.

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      Information wants to be beer.
    9. Re:Not very exciting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excellent reply, tcr, couldn't have said it any better.

    10. Re:Not very exciting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And still you show no reason why these obsolete, replacable, not-very-interesting pieces of recent history deserve expensive real estate. No doubt you'd like to see grants to pay for full-time staff too, but then you'd be exposed as the government-tit-sucking parasite you are.

      "A government-supported artist is an unprincipled whore" wrote Robert A. Heinlein. The point being that if people don't want to see it then they don't pay for it. That's why they're in financial trouble - and that's precisely why they should not get government money now, because in a democracy that's the way we work.

      Staff, please practise: "Goodbye, Australian Computer Museum. Hello Centrelink!"

    11. Re:Not very exciting by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1

      Yes, of course, the only value anything has is the monetary value people are willing to attach to it. And I'm sure you've never benefited from anybody else's tax dollars, oh no. At least Heinlein would have had the guts to not post anonymously.

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    12. Re:Not very exciting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guts to post non-anonymously? No, at Slashdot that's just common sense. Here, like academia, is full of self-interested, intellectually dishonest whores like you. Fuck, you're from Melbourne Uni - you live or die by government support. Take a good look at yourself, loser - when you get over the bitterness of realizing just how long ago you sold out you'll see that I'm right.

    13. Re:Not very exciting by CaptainAvatar · · Score: 1

      Oh, I missed this one. Common sense? Yes, Slashdot is a police state, I can see why you need anonymity. Cmdr Taco's goon squad will be beating down your door in the morning if you don't toe the party line. Yep; I work at Melbourne Uni. (Ooohh what a burn ... guess I should have posted as an AC! I see what you mean now!) I doubt I would die if I did not, though, because there are like, other IT jobs out there, you know? Um ... who exactly did I sell out to? You are the one who worships the almighty dollar; I never have. (Why would I be working at a university if I did?) Why exactly is it intellectually dishonest to assert that some things are worth preserving even if they are not economically self-sustaining? It may not accord with your intellectual assumptions, but they are not mine. That was the whole point of my comment, if you couldn't figure that out for yourself. Self-serving? Sure, it's in my interests, as I am studying to be a historian which is definitely not economically self-sustaining. But I wouldn't be studying it if I didn't think it was worthwhile nonetheless, so how is this "intellectually dishonest" or selling out? (Oh, and just to bludgeon you over the head with this again, as I'm not posting as an AC and moreover link to my home page you CAN get an idea of MY biases and form your own opinions of such. But no, you're right, I'm dishonest, and you, the anonymous coward, are not.)

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  7. I'll help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    If they have any G5 Macs, they can store them at my place.

    1. Re:I'll help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah... but although they should be in a museum ("Apple's Last Product Launch") Mac losers are still in denial.

    2. Re:I'll help by ACMS+Prez · · Score: 1

      If YOU have any G4 Macs going spare then you can store them at OUR place! :)

  8. Look harder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try to find a cheaper place, or start an online fundraiser to get some money.

  9. Sorting... by NemosomeN · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wouldn't chonologically be the obvious way?

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    1. Re:Sorting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ever tried sorting computers when they weigh a couple of tons each? It's bloody hard to simply pick out the ones you want to keep, before you even think of putting them in any sort of order.

    2. Re:Sorting... by NemosomeN · · Score: 1

      Well if you ask for a sorting method, it's implied that you intend to and are capable of moving them. And it loks like they will have to move them somehow anyway. Eviction...

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    3. Re:Sorting... by martingunnarsson · · Score: 1

      Yes, but at the same time it would be nice to see, say, all Apple computers lined up chonologically. But again, it would also be interesting to see all computers from a certain year.
      They could put the machines chonologically, and then put up timelines with pictures of machines from differens manufacturers on some wall.

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    4. Re:Sorting... by NemosomeN · · Score: 1

      That could work. Possibly sort them chronologically only up until a certain year, then have separate areas for different brands. (Brands being, Apple, IBM, and 'etc.'). And to all the grammar nazis (I know you're out there) I know what et cetera means; I'm just pointing out that all the little IBM clones should be lumped together for the most part. I also don't mean literally only three sections, but I don't know enough about what they have to be thorough anyway.

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  10. I've never understood how computer museums survive by JoeShmoe950 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I mean, I like them. They can be quite interesting, but how many people are interested in that motherboard from the 80's? Maybe 1/300 (random statistic, hopefully somewhere near correct, atleast for around here). I like computer museums, but I'd think that their would be lack of interest, and have always wondered how the low amount of people they get is enough to sustain them. I mean, lots of people go, but compared to just about any other large museum (at least around here, the Boston Computer Museum is huge), they really don't get that many people, and it costs a lot to run. I'd think that most computer museums would have gone the way of this one a long time ago, however unfortunetly

  11. Computers History by mboverload · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Too bad people do not think that computer history is just as important as any other.

  12. tsk tsk by countach44 · · Score: 4, Funny

    On top of closing their site is slashdotted, must we kill their bandwidth also?

    1. Re:tsk tsk by AdamTheBastard · · Score: 1

      Here in Australia we pay through the teeth for bandwidth so I'm guessing they just spent the last of their money on being slashdotted.

      Nice going guys, kickem when they're down why don't ya?

    2. Re:tsk tsk by OneArmedMan · · Score: 1

      If you prick us do we not bleed ..

      if you /. us do our servers not die ??

    3. Re:tsk tsk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any decent ISP doesn't charge for outgoing traffic, so a slashdotting shouldn't actually cost a server too much (apart from some downtime).

    4. Re:tsk tsk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, I did my part. I didn't RTFA. You should be thankful for us ignorant types. We're actually helping these poor servers survive, ya know!

    5. Re:tsk tsk by Geoff-with-a-G · · Score: 1

      On top of closing their site is slashdotted, must we kill their bandwidth also?

      Well of course they're slashdotted, they're running 8086's and Sinclairs!

  13. I must have the other point of view then.. by kiwioddBall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think old computers are ugly. I can appreciate the old mechanical machines, they are a true work of art, but old boxes of transistors and PCB's are just not pleasing in any way.

    If some work went into aesthetic design (e.g. Apple) or were exceptioanlly groundbreaking or they defined culture (e.g. old arcade cabinets) they would be interesting but in my personal opinion they aren't (feel free not to share my point of view).

    It is sort of like setting up an old dishwasher museum really. Technology has advanced but they're not that interesting to look at either.

    Emulators preserve the real point of interest in old computers.

    1. Re:I must have the other point of view then.. by kfg · · Score: 1

      It is sort of like setting up an old dishwasher museum really.

      There's one of those just a handful of blocks from me, but they diversified into refridgerators and stoves and I think that's what's keeping them going.

      Old fridges are cool, as opposed to the modern kind which are intentionally designed to last for an average of 7 years.

      KFG

    2. Re:I must have the other point of view then.. by M.+Silver · · Score: 2, Funny

      Old fridges are cool, as opposed to the modern kind which are intentionally designed to last for an average of 7 years.

      Even so, the modern kind are generally still cool for those seven years.

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    3. Re:I must have the other point of view then.. by kfg · · Score: 1

      Even so, the modern kind are generally still cool for those seven years.

      Well, looks like I'll have to get me a really old one or a really new one then.

      I had an old "monitor top" in an apartment about ten years ago, I should have made an offer on it. I probably could have picked it up for a song. Literally. The landlord liked my singing.

      It did kinda make the lights go dim a bit when the compressor kicked in though. Cool it was. Efficient it wasn't.

      KFG

    4. Re:I must have the other point of view then.. by mt-biker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think old computers are ugly. I can appreciate the old mechanical machines, they are a true work of art, but old boxes of transistors and PCB's are just not pleasing in any way.

      I used to collect PDP-11s, so I can understand the attraction. My first (an 11/35) had core memory (for the youngsters out there, bits are stored in tiny magnetised iron rings, each ring has a wire running through it to sense and set the bit), and with a magnifying glass you could see each individual bit.

      You mention boxes of transistors - I had friends in the DECUS NOP group (Nostalgic Old Products) who would debug broken hardware by sitting down with a PCB, a logic probe, and the circuit diagrams, and trace out the circuit until they found the disfunctional chip/transistor. Seeing how a CPU board, or a disk controller is built up from individual switches has been an educational experience for me, not just in a theoretical sense (a computer circuit is built from transistors), but from a real, hands-on, holy-shit-this-set-of-gates-is-an-adder sense.

      Before I got a diode-matrix onto which to code my boot-strap I used to know the boot-strap code off by heart, and would toggle it in on the front panel in order to bring my machine to life.

      Once you've got a PDP-11 of some sort, and have connections to other collectors, a hell of a lot of hardware starts coming your way. The number of different peripherals available for the PDP-11 was just astounding. 8" floppys, various removal hard-disks (I had both RK drives with 2MB storage and the RLs with a massive 5MB!), all sorts of tape drives, my favorite being the full height rell-to-reel tape drives with 1 metre long vaccuum columns which act as "springs" to damp the tapes movement.

      There were teleprinters, terminals, and bus extension cabinets. Other people I knew had second houses completely full with old gear. I guess this is exactly the problem that the computer museum is facing.

      The other problem is, as you mention, very few people are actually interested in the old hardware. And there's a world of difference of having the stuff yourself and tinkering with it, and simply seeing a restored old computer in a museum but not being allowed to touch it.

    5. Re:I must have the other point of view then.. by bishiraver · · Score: 1

      Silicon Graphics machines have always been a pleasure to behold. As far back as I've seen pictures of them, anyways :D

    6. Re:I must have the other point of view then.. by bigsteve@dstc · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I beg to differ. I used to have a small collection of printed circuit boards and the like scavenged from old computers. I kept them because they were interesting to look at.

      Beauty is in the eye of the beholder ... except in D&D.

  14. the solution by nazsco · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just install netBsd on all that hardware, including the mechanic ones, and host some p0rn.

  15. Happy snaps? by antic · · Score: 1


    Those are probably the least "happy" snaps I've ever seen. The most exciting caption is "Wrapped in plastic".

    Still, check out the calculator awaiting repair. Nice antique!

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    1. Re:Happy snaps? by ACMS+Prez · · Score: 2, Informative

      The pictures (and the site) are a few years out-of-date, and really were a "trial run" of the website. When we get time (huh!) we will be posting much newer ones in a much better format site.

    2. Re:Happy snaps? by Tore+S+B · · Score: 1

      I'm a classic computer enthusiast who would love to talk about your museum - would you please drop me a line? My email is tore s b e at if i dot u i o dot no - Remove the spaces. I'd love to help you guys out with your webpage.

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  16. Don't we have emulators for most of these now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really don't understand what the problem is.

  17. It is very important... by Cyb3rBull3ts · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To keep this museum alive.

    Sure it may only hold 100 years of information right now (a guess on years) but give it another 100 to 200 years our great great great grandchildren will want to see our first computers.

    It's easier to save the hardware now instead of trying to find it in the next 100 years.

  18. Nobody cares... by keefey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pretty much the same is happening in the UK with Bletchley Park, with no government funding these museums are dying away. Perhaps it's because they are deemed as modern history (after all, computing has only really taken off in the last 60 years), or because the majority of the public just don't understand anything beyond their TV remote control, but it's a shame nonetheless. Bletchley should be relabelled as something "non-geeky", and the Australian one should be merged with a larger industrial museum, after all, these are the machines that took the Industrial Age onto the Information Age...

  19. Tick Tock Tech by platypibri · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A Tech University (the MIT equivalent in OZ, for example) is the logical spot for such a thing, then the nerds have easy access, causual visitors can lookin in, and the average citizen can opt for the Wax Museum instead.

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    1. Re:Tick Tock Tech by ChronoWiz · · Score: 1

      The UTS (University of Technology Sydney) building is probably too small to fit a computer museum, but they could always help fund the museum remotely.

    2. Re:Tick Tock Tech by Anarchitect_in_oz · · Score: 1

      Was going to say University of Technology Sydney too and even more perfect they could partner with the Powerhouse Museam down the road. Which is Full of this sort of thing anyway, from collections of "Matchbox Cars" to half a space shuttle.

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    3. Re:Tick Tock Tech by ACMS+Prez · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We already have a good relationship with Powerhouse, but they have different museum goals to us (they are NOT hands-on). UTS has plans for all their space. And I thought our stuff WAS the Wax Museum!

    4. Re:Tick Tock Tech by femto · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Sorry about the slashdotting, but I hope it helps your cause.

      I've just had an idea. There is an old abandoned heritage listed building on Parammatta Road, Homebush. It's about 300m west of your present location. The building is a grand old art deco ballroom. It is HUGE and on two levels. On the top level is a double height ballroom the size of a large gymnasium. The lower floor is smaller dance floor but still large.

      For a while squatters were living in the place and had it open as a social centre called the "Midnight Star". As far as I know the squatters are no loger there.

      The building is listed in the NSW heritage register. The owner can be found through Strathfield council. I once followed it up as I was interested to see if the building could be used for a swing dance function. The owner was a company based in Bondi. I can't remember the name, but it started with an "O" and was not in the phone book. I never got around to actually contacting them. The council was only able to give me the registered address of the ompany.

      Anyway, given that the building is sitting empty, surely the owner would let you move the collection the there for free or a peppercorn rent? I guess they might be concerned that they end up with a building full of abandoned computer bits in case the museum fails. In that case, perhaps propose a refundable deposit equal to the cost of removing the equipment?

      Reply to this if you want me to get in touch via email.

  20. Xgrid to the rescue by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 1

    let's just Xgrid them together and have them solve their own problems.

    1. Re:Xgrid to the rescue by Anarchitect_in_oz · · Score: 1

      seeing the best supercomputer in Oz is overpriced Dell that does 1.2 terraflops that would be a really good idea.

      --
      "Call us when the New age is old enough to drink" Beck
  21. I had a similar collection by johnnyb · · Score: 1

    I used to have a collection like that in my basement :)

    I had a few VAX's, NeXT's, an Apple Mac Classic, an HP PA-RISC box, and a Sun NeWS box, among other things. I had to sell it in a garage sale when I left Illinois, but thankfully it went to a good home (some guy from NCSA or something). I thought I was going to have to throw it away.

    1. Re:I had a similar collection by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1
      Ahh, paleocybernetics.

      I remember when an integrated circuit meant the transistors were soldered really close to each other, disk drives leaked hydraulic fluid, and plated wire was the next best thing. Those war thee days, laddie!

      --
      Do not mock my vision of impractical footwear
  22. Re:I've never understood how computer museums surv by suckmysav · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "They can be quite interesting, but how many people are interested in that motherboard from the 80's?"

    I doubt very much that such a museum would be bothered about displaying old PC motherboards at all.

    Most of the good stuff would be from the late seventies and really early eighties, PC's that are totally unlike the ubiquitous x86 compats we know these days.

    I'm talking about things such as the old Trash 80's and Commodore PETs. Being an Aussie museum I'm sure they even have a good selection of "Australias Own Personal Computer", the venerable Z80 based "microbee".

    Those were the true glory days of computer hacking. The very first microbee's came as a PCB and a box of components. It was up to the owner to solder all the resistors, caps and chips into their proper places!

    I saw a bloke once who wasn't quite clued up on the whole "solder" thing. He decided to superglue everything onto the PCB instead.

    --
    "You can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
  23. DUPE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    This dupe story is over a year old!!!

    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/05/20/014320 7&mode=thread&tid=137



    1. Re:DUPE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not a dupe. It is a new story. It's just that 12 months later, the museum has hit the wall again. It sort of indicates that the musem's problems will be a difficult to solve.

  24. For the sorting... by jusdisgi · · Score: 1

    ...I suggest they use awk and sed.

    --
    Given a choice between free speech and free beer, most people will take the beer.
  25. Re:Indeed. by cbreaker · · Score: 1

    It's true.

    There's been a lot of great minds, great people, and revolutionary science that's gone into computers since their creation. Computers have changed the world forever, and continue to do so at an alarming rate.

    Most people just don't seem to take much interest in these machines. I think it's like an automobile. Most people have absolutely no clue how an internal combustion engine works, and they don't care, and they don't want to know how they've evolved in the last 80 years.

    The same applies to a lot of history, though. Most folks I know don't know much about the American Civil War, or even WW2. It was the confederates and the nazis! That's about the extent of it.

    You have museams for art, music, etc. These attract people. But History museams don't attract too many and Computer History is a small subset of that.

    --
    - It's not the Macs I hate. It's Digg users. -
  26. the solution.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Play DodgeBall!!

  27. Re:Computers History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not.

  28. They understand their remotes? by Yeshua · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most people don't see any difference between the box that sits on their desktop at work today to the one that would have in 1980, let alone understand enough to make an exhibit like this interesting.
    Apart from which Australia has a rather small, widely spread population, so niche markets are harder to sustain.
    It's just not a viable private enterprise out here. Perhaps the Powerhouse Museum, which tends to focus on technology and industry, could aquire some of the better pieces.

    1. Re:They understand their remotes? by keefey · · Score: 1

      I agree with most of what you said, but do think Sydney could possibly cover it, after all, there's more people living on top of each other here than in most places I have ever seen!

      However, there'd always be a lack of interest unless it was put in the context of something - for example how computing changed manfacturing, how it changed the war, how it changed home entertainment etc, rather than just a random collection of bits of plastic and chipsets.

    2. Re:They understand their remotes? by miskate · · Score: 1

      I think most people can see the difference between a modern12" laptop and a some of the beasts they came up with in the early 80s, particularly if you turn them on.

      The real interest comes from the real old stuff though, particularly if you draw attention to the relative power of the old machines vs modern ones.

  29. sorting by Nerviswreck · · Score: 1

    How else would you sort computers? Binary Sort!

    --nerviswreck

  30. Critical mass of electronics savvy audience by brindafella · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am part of a group seeking to establish a museum of electronics and radio in another, smaller Australian city. If all goes well, we might even have a quite exceptional site coming our way.

    It's necessary not only to have a suitable "business case" but to make it work! The problem is that there still has to be a critical mass of people who are savvy about electronics -- or just interested -- who come through the door to make it viable. Repeat visits is the next issue.

    I wish them good fortune, and I'll be bringing their plight to the attention of our group. Maybe we can assist "if it all turns to custard".

    --
    Looking at space, radio, science and computing from a 'down-under' amateur enthusiast perspective.
    1. Re:Critical mass of electronics savvy audience by ACMS+Prez · · Score: 1

      Email me. We have contact with an amateur radio group here in Sydney that have similar goals to us. Perhaps, combined, our weight will be enough to swing funds or government interest something!

  31. Give the computers to some of my clients... by TheOtherAgentM · · Score: 3, Funny

    It might even be an upgrade. I can't imagine them being much older than the stuff they're running now.

    1. Re:Give the computers to some of my clients... by ACMS+Prez · · Score: 1

      Some of ours are older than ME! Perhaps they might make a great "joke gift"...

  32. I'm confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do I apply the sparrow-merlin.patch file again?

  33. Powerhouse Museum by Citizen+Gold · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm surprised the Powerhouse Museum hasn't stepped in to field this one. It's the sort of thing I'd have expected to find there...

    1. Re:Powerhouse Museum by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think if you have a look at their homepage you'll see that the PHM is indeed holding some of their stuff. But even the Powerhouse has finite storage space. Even the University of Technology, Sydney, just around the corner from the PHM probably wouldn't be able to stow them - the CompSci faculty recently moved into new and luxurious buildings, but they lack in terms of warehousing capacity or open space to place a free standing exhibit.

      YLFI
      --
      One god, one market, one truth, one consumer.
  34. Screw the museum... by domukun367 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...just come to my workplace here in Sydney - they have IBM Mainframes, SNA, Connect Direct, even Windows 95 for god's sake!

    --
    Please don't send a Word document when a text file will do the job.
    1. Re:Screw the museum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, you work for IAG as well do you?

    2. Re:Screw the museum... by ACMS+Prez · · Score: 1

      Oh, you mean NEW stuff! :)

    3. Re:Screw the museum... by domukun367 · · Score: 1

      That's scarily close...

      --
      Please don't send a Word document when a text file will do the job.
  35. Re:Do they need a website? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    This place is still up and fits the subject very well.

  36. Re:Computers History by mcrbids · · Score: 1

    Too bad people do not think that computer history is just as important as any other.

    'History' is the plow used in 1844 to till the soil. 'History' is a muzzle-loaded rifle built around the time George Washington was president.

    It's hard to think of computer 'History' when the songs on the radio when it was made are still played on today's "Mix' radio stations, and not even the 'Oldies' stations. Computer museums tend to be more nostalgia museums and so it's really hard to get that feeling that you are touching an artifact from a different era.

    --
    I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
  37. To save or not to save by ibullard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm torn when it comes to saving computer history.

    On one hand, nostalga runs deep with machines I spent a long time with. My Timex Sinclair, C64 and 486 computers were hard to depart with because of how much I learned and enjoyed using them. My G5 is starting to get that way too and I haven't even had it that long. I almost went looking for an old VAX machine to buy to re-live some of my college days (thank god for my wife, she was the voice of reason that day). So I can understand why people would want to preserve these machines.

    On the other hand, old computers are (in the grand scheme of things) not that old. If we keep museums filled with each generation of computer then every couple of years we have to add a handful of computers to the stock. The industry moves so fast it's difficult to decide what's historical and what's not (aside from a few computers). So I can understand why people wouldn't be interested in a museum of computers (a dull subject for many to begin with).

    I guess I have to fall back on the phrase "when in doubt, don't pay out." Sorry, guys.

    1. Re:To save or not to save by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeezes.. If your just looking for a old vax, just check out:


      http://deathrow.vistech.net

      They have a couple of older machines (VAX, and
      newer Alphas) running OpenVMS.. Re-live it that way!

    2. Re:To save or not to save by bishiraver · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The industry moves so fast it's difficult to decide what's historical and what's not
      Easy: Keep an eye on pricewatch and/or ebay, and once the shipping is more than the cost of the item, buy buy buy and catalog. It would just be petty cash, and would be decently historic that by the time it was ready for the showroom, it would -be- historic. The only cost for the operation would be staffing and space.
  38. Wrong phrase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When in doubt, LICK HER OUT!

  39. looks like junk to me by js3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    how can the call it a museum if the stuff is not even sorted? it looks like a warehouse full of old computer parts that need to be sorted (not a museum). Maybe they should concentrate on sorting and taking out the good stuff before lobbying to have them saved.

    --
    did you forget to take your meds?
    1. Re:looks like junk to me by ACMS+Prez · · Score: 1

      Got it in one!

  40. Boston and DC by craw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Computers are not that historical. You might think that they are (no, not you trash80), but they are not.

    I've been to the computer museum up in Boston (I think it is now part of the Museum of Science) and the Smithsonian American National Museum. In the latter case, the computers are part of a bigger exhibit that hightlights the Information Age. In this case think things like, telegraph, radio, televison, computers, etc...

    At the end there is an interactive exhibit that kids can play with. The same held true for the one up in Boston, but I went there many years ago.

    I think that many people were staring at me and my brother when we were bowing down to a lifesize picture/cutup of Seymour Cray (next to a bunch of CDC's). I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!

    Finally, I saw my first Craw 1 at the Smithsoniam Air and Space Museum. This was great as I was tired and I could sit down (check out a picture of the Cray 1 and you will understand what I'm saying). They also had a display of real magnetic core memory. Most of you don't know what a true core dump really means!

    1. Re:Boston and DC by ACMS+Prez · · Score: 1

      Our aim is to be like Boston, but more hands-on. Much of our stuff still runs!

  41. Re:Computers History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A plow from 1844 is definitely history now, but arguably it wasn't in 1874. Does that mean that Bloggs' Plow Collection should have been thrown out in 1874? If these things aren't history now, they will be eventually. Even if we're not actively displaying them, we should save them for when they will be historically relevant.

  42. Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    >> It is the largest computer collection in Australia.

    That reminds me about the Presidential library that burned down. They lost both books. And he hadn't finished coloring one of them yet.

    1. Re:Hmmmm by goon+america · · Score: 2, Informative

      Amusingly, this joke originated with Jack Kemp, about Bob Dole ("Bob Dole's library burned down..."). Years later Kemp was picked as Dole's running mate in the 1996 presidential election.

  43. Was anybody but me confused? by M.+Silver · · Score: 1

    I saw the parenthetical "archive.org" after it and thought the Wayback Machine was threatened (other than with a slashdotting).

    Whew.

    --

    Slashdot's token middle-aged housewife
  44. Australia is hugely important to computer history by Dead+Reagan · · Score: 0
    High technology has wide appeal outside of the "geek" community. Technology and math/science related programs are among the fastest growing fields in post-secondary education, and have been so for several years now. Although the job market has flattened a bit in the US recently, it has mainly been a transient phenomenon and shows ever sign of abating in the near future.

    What used to be just "nerd"-specific has increasingly become mainstream. It's time you realized this.

  45. The good museums of this type are boring by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative
    One of the best is the Kensington Science Museum in London. Their collection is excellent, with the originals of many famous machines. Yet few people are interested in those items; all the crowds are around the dumbed-down "interpretive exhibits".

    The Kensington Science Museum has early computers, all the way back to Babbage. The first locomotive, the first lathe, Watt's first steam engine - they have it all. And that stuff you can at least figure out by looking at it.

    Electronics is much worse to display. The Henry Ford Museum used to have display cases full of early electronics ("Capacitor, Cornell-Dublier, circa 1932"), ignored by almost everybody.

  46. Maybe they should add a youth hostel. by solarrhino · · Score: 1

    A youth hostel would seem like an ideal addition to a computer musesum. The museum would get more visitors, and the kids would get a place to crash.

    --
    "Lord, grant that I may always be right, for Thou knowest that I am hard to turn" -- A Scots-Irish prayer
  47. Found the official link by ev1lcanuck · · Score: 1

    Sorry about that, the official Science Fiction Museum website is: http://www.sfhomeworld.org/

  48. Re:Computers History by keefey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It also depends on the scale in which progress happened. The plough didn't change in many many centuries, and changes to it were progressive and slow. Same with many many technologies, but computing was so fast, and expansive, changing the way everything (including your "Mix" stations) operates. Nothing in the history of human kind has required such a constant learning curve, and such a dramatic upheaval of life as we know it. And this is not important enough to be put on display?

    Who cares that my grand mother can still remember the days when the Panasonic factory was just fields? The timescale is irrelevant. Look at car museums, they're hardly THAT much older (add an extra 50 years), and yet they are massively popular. Why? Because they're sexy, computers aren't (especially old ones like the Commodore PET). Does this mean they are any less important? No. However, in my opinion, they should be showed in a correct, and informative context. I don't want to see some ancient mainframe system without seeing the impact of what it actually did. I want to see how these things have made our lives better (or worse). I want to see the impact they've had on the world. I don't want to see a room full of beige TVs.

  49. Presentation? What presentation? by Wateshay · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of the things that makes a museum interesting is the presentation of the pieces they have on display. On the other hand, if the pictures on this museum's site are any indicator, presentation is something they've missed completely. If you want people to come see a museum, you need to teach them something while they're there. I'd be interested in going to see a whole bunch of old computers sitting in a warehouse, but I don't think there are many people like me.

    --

    "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for everyone else."

  50. Museum vs EFF -- no contest by Linus+Sixpack · · Score: 1

    I like the idea of someone storing all sorts of old computers but I'd rather pay to be able to freely use the computers of the future.

    www.eff.org

    sorry if that's heartless

  51. They should by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    They should build the world's least powerful Beowulf cluster.

  52. In democratic Australia... by Dingeaux · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...we have the Big Pineapple, the Tractor Museum and the Giant Koala - and we can't find the money to keep the Computer Museum open?

    This country has its priorities ass-backwards.

    1. Re:In democratic Australia... by ACMS+Prez · · Score: 1

      Maybe it was the previous Minister for Science and Technology (Alston) that had something to do with this backward trend in technology. But you know the current government's motto: Forwards to the 1950's!!

    2. Re:In democratic Australia... by PimpbotChris · · Score: 1
      "This country has its priorities ass-backwards."

      Actually we have it arse backwards

      --
      Damn, I left my good sig in my other pants
    3. Re:In democratic Australia... by Dingeaux · · Score: 0

      Under Little Johnny, it's definitely ass backwards...

  53. One down by skraps · · Score: 1

    They also need some way to sort the collection.

    Here ya go:

    collection.sort();

    Glad I could help.

    --
    Karma: -2147483648 (Mostly affected by integer overflow)
  54. Not at all; at least you can EAT koalas. [n/t] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  55. <rimshot> by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Funny


    > Australian Computer Museum Needs a Saviour

    Have they asked Jesus for help?

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    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  56. Yeah. by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 0

    They also need a life.

    --
    XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
  57. Possible hosting source for this group... by oldosadmin · · Score: 1

    It's possible, given size considerations, etc, that we could offer hosting through my site, OldOs.org.

    (We are hosted by X-Gravity Web Hosting who graciously provides us with beer-free hosting). Contact me at jason l f at g mail dot com (remove spaces, convert at=@)

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    Jay | http://oldos.org
  58. I like 'em! by Fussen · · Score: 1

    I think that computer museums are good. Yeah, the industry moves faster than a kid running from a spanking. But that's what's so great about it! And the museums will be that one place where time doesn't matter. With the Huge assistance that computers have given us, I say we can sacrifice some of our precious real-estate to the rememberance of the journey, because there is no "end."

    > A.I. becoming a sentient entity is limited only by our efforts in time.. Let's hope that it likes us.

  59. Re:Museum vs EFF -- no contest by sakusha · · Score: 1

    Not heartless, just stupid. Someday, if nobody preserves the computers of the past, there will be a time when nobody remembers when computers ran code freely without DRM or GUIDs, or the time when computers broke away from their guardians and anyone could afford one, and the times when people and their computers communicated freely over a cooperative internet. People have short memories, they won't remember a time when there was anything besides Windows 2025 and Skynet. And a whole generation will never know about our short lived revolution in computing. What good will the EFF be then?

  60. trying my hand at a funny comment.... ;-) by The+Moving+Shadow · · Score: 1

    Aww poor people, they not only need huge funding to hire storage room for all their precious vintage machines but they will also have huge hosting bills to pay for the bandwidth used by thousands of slashdotters visiting their site. Hehe, you go, Slashdotters! Slashdot is always a helping hand in times of need.

  61. I know the problem by Maavin · · Score: 1

    hmmm...

    If I replace "Australian Computer Museum" with "my parents's house"
    and "lack of funds" with "my mother",
    It sounds like my ongoing struggle :)

    --


    Crivens! I kicked meself in me own heid!
  62. I know how by goon+america · · Score: 1
    "They also need some way to sort the collection."

    Why can't they just use a bubble sort?

  63. Museum Website is boooor-ing! by LoTonah · · Score: 1

    I see two problems here. The website is about as exciting as cold excrement, and from the listing of computers that they do have, they don't have much of a collection (how many computers are there? I personally have about 23 collectables myself)

    Seriously, if I were visiting Australia I'd probably give the whole museum a pass simply because their website makes the collection look completely boring. And I'm their target demographic. Sad!

    1. Re:Museum Website is boooor-ing! by staynz79au · · Score: 1

      It's as exciting as cold excrement???? Where can I buy tickets????

      --
      Awww... I wanted to explode - GIR
    2. Re:Museum Website is boooor-ing! by ACMS+Prez · · Score: 1

      If we had some support by way of funds, we could indeed build a much more "exciting" website. Stuff like that costs money, dontcha know!

  64. Junk is junk of a reason by Lighterup · · Score: 1

    I fear that this is the fate of many musiums of special interest. Perhaps losing interest in our immidate past is an all to human part of ourselfs. May be in couple of hundred years people might be interested in stuff like old computers. But even then I doubt it. May be if you horde this crap now your grandchildren might be able to profit from your junk. But the problem of maintaining old stuff can be looked at from a much wider lens. The fact remain stuff degrades over time unless proper care and maintence is taken. As more and more stuff becomes obsolite through progess, the amount to stuff that is museum worthy to one group or another gets larger and larger. This will be true for all things nostalgic, including monuments and history sites. But fear not, market economy will force people to save that which is most precious and discard the gargage. And now for my two cents Feel the power of time sorting your junk

  65. IBM 5100 by CiXeL · · Score: 1

    Do they have an IBM 5100? I know a guy named John Titor who's looking to buy one. =P

    1. Re:IBM 5100 by mysticwhiskey · · Score: 1

      Oh please, he probably doesn't have the time to dick around with this... :)

      --

      Stuck down a hole! In the middle of the night! With an owl!

  66. Re:I've never understood how computer museums surv by anubi · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I know about the attachments to the old thing.

    I *still* have my first computer: an old IMSAI 8080 I built from a kit. It still works. I even have cross compilers for it so I can still generate code for it when the PC came out.

    The machine ran at a whopping 2 MHz.

    I had 12 Kilobytes of EPROM.

    4 Kilobytes of VideoRam ( Yup, I could drive four monitors independently ... each 16 lines of 64 characters. )

    I had all remaining 48 Kilobytes of address space filled with 2102 1Kx1 450nS RAM, best you could get, in those days. It took six S-100 cards to hold them all... you could only get 8K on a card... and even then you had thermal problems.

    And you know, when I turned the system on, I had system ready prompt by the time the monitor filaments warmed up enough to display an image.

    And the pages would scroll past so fast they could not be read. I could prepare a whole new screen in one vertical retrace inverval. On a 2 MHz machine! Oooh, the wonders of assembly language.

    Would I want to go back... well, uh, no. You see, it took weeks for me to code a barely operable word processor. And forget the luxury of C. If I wanted a float, I had a major programming project on my hands. I could only play with 8 bits at a time. A tic-tac-toe logic game was par for the course for making a decent computer demo. Even a rudimentary multiply was a royal pain...calculating trancendentals to any degree of accuracy could take several seconds.

    But it *was* fun. And there was lots of blinking lights on that old box that made it even look like it was doing something... not these bland boxes of today whose only indication they are doing anything at all is maybe a disk access light.

    --
    "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]

  67. Whoa, that scared me by Shinglor · · Score: 1

    From that news item I thought that archive.org was closing, anyone else?

  68. Re:Museum vs EFF -- no contest by Linus+Sixpack · · Score: 1

    I can appreciate your point but I think challenges we face right now like patent law demand my meager $$$. I'm pleased to think your's are going to the museum then...

    ls

  69. Same story different year by taj · · Score: 1

    The same problem was mentioned last year.

    Dupe!

  70. It's their own fault by iamacat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    An old calculator is interesting to play with, but it's not exactly a gem from emperor's crown. By that standard, most of us have a "museum" in some closet. They took everything offered and of course they ended up with a pile of useless junk that will be (and should be) thrown away.

    So what's valuable? Well, for one thing technologies that are no longer used today, in components that are still functional and that people can understand by looking at them. Like a working punch card reader/writer, or the original "tty" dump terminal with a daisy wheel printer.

    For most of other things, emulation is the way to go. There is something to be said for teaching CS101 using a computer where programs are entered by storing machine code in memory with dip switches and then explaining how things have evolved. But it's probably cheaper to just make a modern device with the same interface that fits in the pocket.

  71. Interest is relative by miskate · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a small child I was taken on a school excursion to a museum that featured nothing but depression era biscuit tins. I kid you not. If Australia can support that, then surely it can support a reasonably sized space somewhere to stick a few random bits of hardware by forcing every ten year old in Sydney to visit it at least once.

    Even better, put that sucker in Canberra and make it part of that essential round of things kids do on their school camp to the capital. What geek in NSW/ACT doesn't still foster fond memories of Questacon?

    At a university open day a couple of years ago I got stuck supervising the computer science stand, and it's gotta be said that a lot of teenagers were fascinated by the various bits of crap the school had dug out to show them - disk platters a metre in diameter with labels on them saying "1 Mb" , actual transistors and so forth. If you present it in an amusing way (imagine a 40Gb iPod made out of a stack of these!) it could work. Even better if you can get some of the computers working.

    All that said, it is ground that is at least partially covered by the Powerhouse in Sydney (although their computer history bit needed some work last time I was there) and Questacon (now renamed something lame like the National Science Museum) in Canberra. A partnership with those and similar organisations is probably a good idea.

    1. Re:Interest is relative by ACMS+Prez · · Score: 1

      You are quite right. And we already have good connections to both organisations, even though we have somewhat differing goals.

  72. Re:I've never understood how computer museums surv by ACMS+Prez · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've seen the Boston Computer Museum - it's very good. But we are aiming smaller to start with, and to be interesting too. Much hands-on stuff, where possible. INCLUDING the original UNIX s/w!

  73. Re:Computers History by ACMS+Prez · · Score: 1

    WW2 is "history", yes? Electronic computing started in WW2, yet computers are NOT history? Perhaps that explains where we are coming from!

  74. One Northern Hemisphere equivalent by Burb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Folks in the UK might like to take a look at the museum of computing in Swindon, UK. http://www.digitalhistory.org.uk. It's a small-scale operation that needs your support too. I couldn't compare the this one with the Australian one, but we do need to preserve our history.

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  75. Re:Presentation? What presentation? by ACMS+Prez · · Score: 1

    Quite right. It IS just a warehouse full of assorted stuff so far. We are negotiating for a good display site right now, and have the ability to put on a good display if we can just get started.

  76. Computer Museum...thing. by Bruce+McBruce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These people seem to be forgetting that they are storing computers - if they need a method of filing them I suggest they use the most recent computer in their archives. This would be making effective use of the resources until better funding could be arranged.

  77. Call Dick Smith!! by torpor · · Score: 1

    He's gotta be responsible for the condition of computing, and electronic technology, in some small way ... in Australia.

    Why hasn't he stepped in? Is he some sorta Aussie Tech Dinosaur now or something?

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  78. Like Adelaide's Telecommunications Museum did... by ivi · · Score: 1


    Adelaide had one of the nicest little Telecomms Museums around,
    run entirely by volunteers (ex-Telecom's people).

    But Telstra (ie, Telecom re-badged) soon got hungry
    for dollars & closed it down, in the early 90's.

    The building was put up for sale, but - being
    Trust-listed (so that it'd be pretty hard to
    make any significant changes to the building
    that it was located in) - who would buy it?

    Today, it sits there (next to the GPO) still
    being used as a warehouse (if it is used at all).

    Learn of the Past or repeat it (even elsewhere).

    'looks like the ACM could go the same way...

  79. VZ-200 shurely by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1
    That Dick Smith VZ-200 was quite popular. It booted up much faster than the slothful C-64 or ZX Spectrum! (RAM test? we don't need no steenking RAM test!)

    And then of course the Dick Smith CAT was an Apple 2 clone.

  80. Amiga graphics cards... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Check this out for a massive graphics card, triple PCB, full length, simm slots, whoooooaaaaa. Those damn new cards are boring to look apart from a fan.

    http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/photo.pl?id=egs110

    Google for http://amiga.resource.cx/ if you are worried about the much abused "cx" tld.

    Loads of Hi Res PCB pictures, some make good desktop backgrounds :) but I can see some really boring ones.

  81. How to sort it out by old_unicorn · · Score: 1

    Burn it, and let God sort it out. Oh, sorry, wrong thread.

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  82. Re:I've never understood how computer museums surv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, the Boston Computer Museum is closed. They shut down several years ago... I believe the Museum of Science has some of their exhibits, though.

  83. Got a Saviour! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll send my Grandma's electric Jesus. Hope it helps.

  84. Why Computer Museums Fail by theManInTheYellowHat · · Score: 1

    Is bceause everyone who has any intrest in them have a computer museum of their own.

    Look at my house. In the attic is an Mac Clasic (which I am sure that I will find a use for one day) a bunch of old PC's and parts from god knows what gizmo. If my wife would let me I have a BeBox, an SGI O2, beer fridge made out of an old mainframe....

    I bet everyone that posted to this artical has the same as me.

  85. Just curious... by greenhide · · Score: 1

    Are there many loom machine museums still around? Or telegraph equipment museums? Or phone museums? I mean, is there a place to see what phones really looked like in 1967?

    I mean, maybe there are these museums, but there aren't many of them.

    The truth is that whenever you're dealing with technology, people can get very blind to the past. The only importance given to technology is in what's the newest. So I think, especially in technologies that changed rapidly, there really isn't that strong of an effort to preserve the past.

    I mean, heck, I don't even think there are many exhibits out there on blacksmithing, something which would probably be of interest to more people than 70s mainframes.

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  86. Re:Presentation? What presentation? by Wateshay · · Score: 1

    Well, in that case, I wish you the best of luck. If I weren't on the other side of the world and poor, I'd help you out.

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  87. An idea to make it more interesting... by jackrd · · Score: 1

    I must admit that although I wouldn't hesitate to spend hours looking through a place like this, I can see how some people would consider it somewhat...boring. I think the large majority of people have no idea where these machines fit in history, what their purpose was, their place in the evolution of computers, and how they work. Maybe if the machines were up and running, so people could diddle with them (excluding the extremely rare/fragile ones) and some explanation was provided as to their place in history (which I assume is already there) and where they are in comparison to modern machines (perhaps even with a side-by-side comparison of two machines doing the same task), it may be more interesting to the average person. Or if they were at least running demos of some sort showing off their technical prowess (not sure if this is the case). It seems most people are so far removed from what these machines do, how they work, that any extra eyecandy would add greatly to their appeal. Interactivity adds a lot of draw to exhibits. I used to work for a museum (www.discoveryworld.org warning: too much flash) that had all interactive exhibits. People had lots of fun just exploring the properties of levers and pulleys, believe it or not. That being said, it does seem that it's hard enough to get people to go into a museum with myriad different subjects, let alone a musem focusing on one fairly obfuscated one.
    All in all, I wish you much luck. I saw the President on here - are you guys looking for donations of any sort?
    I saw http://www.acms.org.au/ACMS%20Prospectus%20rec%20o n%2005Feb2003.htm included a form to donate, but as most geeks, I would much prefer an online payment to mailing a printed form to australia.

  88. I call them on this by goldmeer · · Score: 1

    The entire story has to be untrue.

    I mean computer storage is cheaper now than it ever has been in the past. I mean heck, Google is giving me tons of free storage, Yahoo is giving me tons of free storage too. I can go to Fry's Electronics and pick up an ungodly amount of compuer storage for a few hundred bucks.

    Geez, you would think that these people that work in a COMPUTER museum would know how to add a freaking hard drive for additional storage...

  89. History, old computers: who cares ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's been said that it would be useful if people considered the history of computing as real history. I have no doubt it actually is considered real history. It's taken care of by the cultural branch of history.

    However, I don't see any reason for keeping around a ton of iron, when just a few computers would do. There are a few revolutions in computing: the abacus, Babbage's machine, the relay computer, the tube computers and the integrated computers. One sample from each should suffice. How do the differences between IBM/360 and Apple II really matter ? From a historical point of view ?

    Why do we need to keep three types of equivalent plotters, just because they're produced by different companies ?

    It seems that it's a big pile of garbage waiting to be discarded. It's just that the owners don't want to acknowledge it's a pile of garbage.

    So, take a good set of photos of each item, burn them on CD's, to have them for rainy days. Then pick a few, preferably working, items: one computer, one monitor, a printer or a plotter. Have them displayed in a real museum.

    Recycle everything else and contribute to building new and better computers.

  90. What about loaning out computers... by Gamma_UCF · · Score: 2, Interesting

    for old data conversion? I remember reading last year about a company which was loaning out older computers so that people who had old data could still read it and convert it to another format. Someone had one of those wonderful 5" floppy disks with a bunch of scientific data they had gathered back in the day and couldn't find any older computers that would still read it, until they went to a place with a bunch of old computers to read and convert the data. Another possibility is if you can get a place to store it, discuss with local schools and colleges if they'd be interested in doing low cost field trips.

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  91. Nothing special by FuzzyDustBall · · Score: 1

    We have a museum like this where I work... Except we call it the lab. Theres actualy a univac in there.

  92. I nominate Chris Garcia by beckerbuns · · Score: 1

    ...of Mountain View's Computer History Museum. I'm sure Chris would love to spend some time in Australia! He knows his stuff. And he obviously knows how to run a kick-ass museum.

  93. I'd help out but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd help out but I'm saving up for a kick ass graphics card and a copy of half-life 2