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Design Wanted For Antarctic Base

colonist writes "According to the BBC, The British Antarctic Survey (BAS) and the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA) have begun a major international competition to design a new scientific research station at Antarctica. The old station, Halley Research Station, was built in 1992 and its ice shelf will break off by 2010." According to the article: "The first four bases were built on the surface and gradually got covered with snow and ultimately got so deep they became crushed by the weight of ice and had to be replaced", though the "current base on stilts" fared better until the ice shelf problems.

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  1. Been done... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny


    Kurt Russell and his crew had a pretty nice place in The Thing, why not copy that? Just make sure you don't dig up any... you know.. weird things.

    1. Re:Been done... by Stargoat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Listen, lad. I built this research station up from nothing. When I started here, all there was an ice shelf. Other scientists said I was daft to build a research station on an iceshelf, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em. It sank into the water. So, I built a second one. That sank into the water. So, I built a third one. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the water, but the fourth one... stayed up! And that's what you're gonna get, lad: the strongest research station in these here ice shelves.

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    2. Re:Been done... by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 2, Funny
      Just make sure you don't dig up any... you know.. weird things.

      Funny--I don't remember them having to dig Wilford Brimley out of anything.

      They didn't dig up Kurt Russell either, for that matter.

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    3. Re:Been done... by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Informative

      No worries.

      It's the Norwegians who dig weird things up.

      Just make sure you shoot and burn any strange dogs that come your way.

  2. Igloos. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That way, you would not have to transport any building materials except maybe shovels and saws.

    1. Re:Igloos. by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Still have the same problem of getting covered in snow and crushed. My first thought was "why not build it into the ground or completely underground" but then i remembered how freakin' impossible it'd be for them to dig a giant anything out of frozen soil. So an igloo is probably a better idea, but on the scale they need to make it, i seriously doubt it'll have enough structural strength.

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    2. Re:Igloos. by Sepper · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but if you do that, you will have to answer on my Canadian patent on 'Building constructed out of carefully selected blocks of frozen material'

      Serioulsy, I have high hopes for a Canadian or Russian design...

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    3. Re:Igloos. by Rei · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not permanent. We need some serious work in permanent ice bases. I mean, seriously, while most of the Slashdot crowd is really into going to Mars, it doesn't cost tens of billions of dollars per person to go to Antartica, a whole friggin continent that has been almost unexplored.

      I wish Greenpeace and related organiztions would lay off the idea of turning all of Antarctica into a big protected park. Why turn something into a big protected park when there is essentially nothing there? I mean, I could understand the antarctic coastline - it's a breeding ground for a ton of marine life. But the inner parts of the continent are almost (not quite, but close) a dead zone. Why not declare, say, the congo to be a big protected park, and shift mining operations to antarctica, if you really care about the environment? Even waste spills are less damaging, as you have hundreds of thousands of years to clean them up before they pollute the world's water supply (barring really extreme levels of global warming).

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    4. Re:Igloos. by TamMan2000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Still have the same problem of getting covered in snow and crushed.

      I don't think so... I think they would get covered in snow and get stronger. one of the beauties of a dome is that it can take huge loads provided that they are fairly uniform. Getting covered in snow is very uniform loading. Snow, when under enough presure turns in to ice. Ice is the material the igloo is made of. I am pretty sure that the igloo walls would just thicken with time.

      You would still have to worry about shifting ice causing asymetric loading of your dome.

      Also you couldn't make it one big igloo, it would have to an interconected network of smaller ones. The thickness of wall required to construct an unsuported span (dome in this case) is pretty damn non-linear, and it would not be practicle to build ice walls large enough to support big rooms, when you could just make 4 smaller ones, and get twice the space...

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    5. Re:Igloos. by stilwebm · · Score: 3, Informative

      Getting covered in snow is very uniform loading.

      The article says winds reach 80mph (130km/h). I'm not sure it would be uniform loading, though a dome would still have an advantage if the stresses are uneven.

    6. Re:Igloos. by pclminion · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Why turn something into a big protected park when there is essentially nothing there?

      Because it's the only example of completely desolate continent we have on this planet.

      Why not declare, say, the congo to be a big protected park, and shift mining operations to antarctica, if you really care about the environment?

      Because it costs more than ten times as much to run equipment in such an environment, not to mention the wages that would be demanded by the laborers. How much would you be willing to work for in Antarctica? I doubt it would be a minimum wage.

      Even waste spills are less damaging, as you have hundreds of thousands of years to clean them up before they pollute the world's water supply

      All the more reason to avoid doing it. Pollutants would be trapped by the currents encircling the continent, and build up at a rapid pace. Sure, they wouldn't mingle much with the rest of the ocean, but you'd be turning the Antarctic coastline into a toxic sludge dump. As you yourself mentioned, the coastline is a breeding ground for extremely diverse marine life. The last thing you want is a buildup of pollutants in that zone.

    7. Re:Igloos. by KjetilK · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why not declare, say, the congo to be a big protected park, and shift mining operations to antarctica, if you really care about the environment?

      In principle a good idea, but the problem is that people are living in Congo, and they need to make a living too... True, you could just ship them off to Antarctica, all of them, but I think they would object.... It is a whole lot colder in Antarctica than Congo... :-)

      So, I think it is still better to try to preserve something that is as of yet unexploited.

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    8. Re:Igloos. by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Interesting

      so if a building made of some strong materials can't take it then an igloo would???

      digging a base into the ice is a good idea but it's not a good long term solution i'm afraid(the ice 'lives', is on the move and so on..).

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    9. Re:Igloos. by FlyingOrca · · Score: 5, Informative

      Igloos are made of snow, actually. You just have to find the right snow: a drift at least 60 cm deep and very hard packed by the wind. Then you cut blocks with a snowknife (a saw works surprisingly well, too). And yeah, I've built plenty of 'em.

      You're right in saying you can't build them too big, though; I'd guess about 3 metres at the peak would be a practical limit. They're good for storage, and surprisingly warm and comfortable if the cracks are stuffed with snow.

      Back to the base - I think the stilts idea is a good one. I'd modify it though, so the stilts terminate in some kind of long, chain-driven, very deeply threaded screws (almost like an ice auger if you're ever seen one). Snow piling up and compacting into ice? Use a very slow gear to back the screws out a metre or two.

      In the arctic, OTOH, we used plain old pre-fab panels (plywood sandwich with 10 cm of foam insulation in between) on beams. The beams in turn were laid on a really simple foundation: cardboard boxes placed over exposed bedrock and filled with more foam. Once the foam hardens it stays in place, and you saw all the tops to the same level.

      We got snow up to the roof pretty reliably every winter, but it melted in the summer. I guess they can't count on that down south, though. Cheers!

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    10. Re:Igloos. by malok2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      A beowulf of igloos ;)

    11. Re:Igloos. by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Tractors. They need tractors. Not the kind of tractors that you use to plough a field. The kind of tractors that carry the space shuttle stack out to the launch pad. For any reasonably-sized shelter structure, it should only take one.

      You have tank treads to move the thing, so if the ice shelf is breaking off, you can crawl farther inland. Better, when snow builds up on top, you can move around a bit and shake it off... or just use a heater on the outside of a dome.

      Alternately, you could just add tank treads to a Winnebago....

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    12. Re:Igloos. by ziggy_zero · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Geodesic domes anyone?

      The US Military (I forget what branch) want to test RADAR back in the day and they were looking for ways to protect their dishes from the Arctic snow and heavy winds.

      Bucky Fuller gave them the geodesic dome idea and they tested it out and worked great. Snow merely rolled off of it, and of course geodesic domes are so structurally sound that they couldn't even break it when they stress-tested it.

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  3. Imperial Walkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The should build the base on imperal walkers like in that Zahn? book. It could just move around as needed.

  4. Prototype by boomgopher · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here you go, hot off the presses:
    Polar Base Prototype

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    1. Re:Prototype by pinchhazard · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you mean this?

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    2. Re:Prototype by identity0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      HOLY SHIT, they have a Polar bear piece now? That totally rocks my world, I must get Polar bears! After I do something about the munchies....

      Tralalala.... BEARS!

    3. Re:Prototype by NickDngr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here you go, hot off the presses:
      Polar Base Prototype


      That link clearly says Arctic. They want a design for an Antarctic base. That would be the opposite side of the world. Sheesh.

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    4. Re:Prototype by rishistar · · Score: 2, Funny

      So just turn it upside down then.

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  5. Obligatory AYB by Eberlin · · Score: 5, Funny

    They need a new design because currently, All Your Base Are Belong To Ice.

    1. Re:Obligatory AYB by identity0 · · Score: 3, Funny

      In AD 2010, Ice was breaking

      BOOM!!

      Captain: What happen ?
      Mechanic: Somebody set up us the ice.
      Operator: We get signal.
      Captain: What !
      Operator: Main screen turn on.
      Captain: It's You !!
      Penguins: How are you gentlemen !!
      Penguins: All your base are belong to ice.
      Penguins: You are on the way to destruction.
      Captain: What you say !!
      Penguins: You have no chance to survive make your time.
      Penguins: HA HA HA HA ....
      Captain: Take off every 'BSD' !!
      Captain: You know what you doing.
      Captain: Move 'BSD'.
      Captain: For great justice.

  6. Obligatory Python reference by emurphy42 · · Score: 3, Funny
    The first four bases were built on the surface and gradually got covered with snow and ultimately got so deep they became crushed by the weight of ice and had to be replaced
    When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, lad, the strongest castle in all of England!
    1. Re:Obligatory Python reference by th77 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Great idea, but with a little bit of effort...

      When I first came here, this was all snow. Everyone said I was daft to build a base in the snow, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the snow. So I built a second one. That sank into the snow. So I built a third. That got covered over, caved in, then sank into the snow. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, lad, the strongest base in all of Antarctica!

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  7. Easy one by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 5, Funny

    They can build them above the ground again, only this time use steel beams and concrete, as opposed to cardboard.
    Don't get me wrong, good ol' corrugated is a fine building material for forts and tree houses, but for a scientific station that is supposed to get covered with ice, one should invest into some steel.

    That's my two cents, anyway...

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  8. Antarctic Base 4 by JayBees · · Score: 3, Funny

    One of the bases disappeared mysteriously after the Vorlons needed it to fight the Shadows in the last Great War.

    1. re: antarctic base 4 by ed.han · · Score: 3, Funny

      [clucking] "zathras can never have anything nice..."

      ed

  9. natural base by twitter · · Score: 2, Funny
    Everyone stand close together and keep your eggs on your feet. Note, only male scientist who weigh at least 90 pounds and have a pot belly may participate. The design is limited to 9 week stay time, but requires no resupply. brrrrr

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  10. Why do I suddenly get the image of... by okmnji · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... a bunch of AT-AT's storming the rebel base on Hoth?

  11. A question... by lxt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...I read the BBC article (unusual for here...), but it didn't seem to say whether or not the designers of the 1992 base knew the shelf would eventually break off...will this new base be designed to be easily expendable?

  12. Cheaper alternative by aoasus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As long as the current base is operative, could the thing just be towed a few miles or however far the thing has to go? Of course it might actually be worthwile to ditch the old one & start new, but why give up on a perfectly good building?

  13. are under-ice bases so bad? by WormholeFiend · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They could build a base to resist the weight of accumulated snow and ice, and just expand the passageways as the base further gets buried... until they have to move to another ice-shelf.

    1. Re:are under-ice bases so bad? by at_kernel_99 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The other problem mentioned was the psychological impact of living under a couple tons of ice. Apparently crawling down a tunnel to live frozen underground like some kind of ice troglodyte wasn't appealing to the residents.

  14. Terrorist proof by uberfruk · · Score: 4, Funny

    FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY:

    The base must be terrorist proof, with extra security, metal detectors, and the ability to survive a impact from an airliner.

    1. Re:Terrorist proof by agentZ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Don't laugh too hard. The weather down there can play hell with aircraft, and safety is a huge concern while flying. Granted, the odds of hitting the building versus the vast expanses of uninhabited ice or water are slim, but I wouldn't want to be out of house and home when it's minus sixty below!

  15. Here... free... by nametaken · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1) Put in the water, on pylons. Concrete ice-breaker pylons like they use on bridges.

    or maybe..

    2) Don't fight the mounting ice. Use a modular, extendable lift system, and build down into the ice. Much like the ice caves they build into glaciers, but with structural reinforcement and climate control + serious bilge pumps. Your computers will love it down there.

    1. Re:Here... free... by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 2, Informative
      1) Put in the water, on pylons. Concrete ice-breaker pylons like they use on bridges.

      The trouble is that the ice on the water is constantly shifting from the currents under the water. Over time, this exerts staggering amounts of pressure on fixed objects. Ice-breaking pylons would need to be sturdy enough to withstand thousands of tons of shearing forces from a variety of angles--a pretty tall order.

      2) Don't fight the mounting ice. Use a modular, extendable lift system, and build down into the ice. Much like the ice caves they build into glaciers, but with structural reinforcement and climate control + serious bilge pumps. Your computers will love it down there.

      Again, it's not just the mounting ice, it's the moving ice. If your base becomes ice-locked, you're at the mercy of the shelf's faults (pardon the pun.) If your station sits atop the ice, it stands a better chance of being able to move with shifting ice.

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    2. Re:Here... free... by raider_red · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1) Put in the water, on pylons. Concrete ice-breaker pylons like they use on bridges.

      or maybe..

      2) Don't fight the mounting ice. Use a modular, extendable lift system, and build down into the ice. Much like the ice caves they build into glaciers, but with structural reinforcement and climate control + serious bilge pumps. Your computers will love it down there.


      Why not equip it with a system where it can periodically lift itself out of the ice, and move to another location. Heck, just put a crane down there in the equipment garage.

      Also, love the Sig, but I like the P239 more than the P229.

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  16. Global warming by freeduke · · Score: 2
    They'd better wait until 2008 before going any further, the good old one under ice and snow may come back to the surface thanks to global warming.

    Is there such a hurry to put more wastes in this area of the world?

    1. Re:Global warming by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2

      Is there such a hurry to put more wastes in this area of the world?

      If you wait a couple of millenia, this waste becomes priceless treasure for archeologists.

  17. Re:Antarctic Base... by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

    "All Your Antarctic Base Are Belong To Us!"

    1999 called. The copyright on this joke hasn't expired yet.

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  18. Obvious.. by dustinbarbour · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about a research station with a heated roof to melt the snow and such? I would have thougth that was obvious.

    1. Re:Obvious.. by pigpilot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The reason why this won't work is rather obvious too.

      The average snowfall at the site is around 150cm per year, nearly all of which settles. This means even if you stopped the snow settling on the roof the surrounding area would be 150cm higher each year. Very soon your base will find itself at the bottom of a deep hole.

  19. Submarine style? by Barumpus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With out knowing the physical limitations or the like from the average submarine, why not use something of this style. The deepest diving subs can tolerate pressures on the hull far that of the average structure on land. Could something of this general style sustain the pressures exerted by a large amount of snow piled on top of it? Plus it would have the added benefit of being able to handle the under water conditions after the next ledge breaks off sending the base into the cold seas.

    1. Re:Submarine style? by myowntrueself · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes!

      Drag one of those old Soviet 'Typhoon' class subs up onto the ice shelf, complete with reactors (though maybe without the missiles) and set it up as a base in antarctica! And declare (if one *did* keep the missiles) the Autonomous Anonymous Anarchic Antarctic Republic!

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  20. Re:Listen, lad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Listen, lad, I built this post up from nothing. When I started here, all there was was a blank web page. Other slashdotters said I was daft to post, but I posted all the same just to show 'em. It was modded -1. So I posted a second one. That was modded -1. So I posted a third one. That was scorned, mocked, buried in the blog, then was modded -1. But the fourth one... was modded Funny!

  21. gradually got covered with snow and got crushed by Grand · · Score: 4, Funny

    maybe then need to invest in some shovels.

  22. This looks like a job for... by Gudlyf · · Score: 2, Funny
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  23. Picture of a good design by saddino · · Score: 3, Funny

    This should last them for a while, at least until the base is discovered.

  24. re: obvious... by ed.han · · Score: 3, Interesting

    that's so obvious i'm positive there are reasons why that isn't feasible although it seems no physicists or meteorologists have weighed in yet. as possibilities i'll advance:

    1) you can't melt the stuff fast enough for it to flow off.
    2) even if you could, you need to shunt it someplace, in heated pipes or other methods, to deposit the mess someplace where it won't accumulate and create the situation you're trying to avoid.
    3) daunting power requirements to heat the exterior of any structure of adequate size.

    my guess is that it's impossible to heat the exterior sufficiently to cope w/ the overnight lows they routinely experience there.

    ed

  25. Re:In other News... by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 2, Funny
    You forgot the Grail references to the castle in the swamp;-) I'm also suprised that there haven't been any "In Soviet Russia, base buillds you!" jokes.

    Although what I really want to do is to imagine a Beowulf cluster of these...

    Or not. Yeah, definitely not.

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  26. Big Dead Place by olivermoffat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For more reading about living and working in Antartica, see Big Dead Place

  27. Re:In other News... by at_kernel_99 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Although what I really want to do is to imagine a Beowulf cluster of these...

    I don't think you're far off. I'm thinking modular base. each unit being moveable / liftable to 1) stay on top of accumulated snowfall and 2) move away from the calving edge of the ice shelf.

  28. Re:Where do they find these scientists? by tehdaemon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    And eventually have to throw the snow over the 50+ foot snow banks that surround the base. You also need the base to be able to move, or jack the base up and pile the snow under it.

    The catch here is that the 'ground' is constantly rising because the snow never melts. Simply removing the snow will result in the base being in a big pit. Oh, and it does nothing for the ice breaking part.

    (Hmmm, then nix the pile the snow under it part, the base has to move somehow...)

    note: this post is directed at the dozens of 'shovel the snow' posts, not just yours.

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  29. This is why... by Marsala · · Score: 2, Funny

    investing in the research and development of Transformer technology is so important.

    You wouldn't have to worry about this sort of stuff if you had something like Metroplex. You could just tell the city to switch to robot mode and move to a safer location.

    And you'd also have a line of defense against Trypticon, to boot. It's a win-win.

  30. Oil in Antartica by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seems to me if the Continental Drift theory is correct, there SHOULD be large oil fields in Antartica; as it was once an equatorial continent.

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  31. Inverted Conical Foundation by Garridan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seems pretty obvious to me... but then, all of my great ideas do. Unfortunately, so do all of my bad ones.

    Make the foundation of the base an inverted cone. That way, inward pressure will push the base up, out of the snow. Additional upward force can be generated with hydraulics, and heaters could be used to melt the ice off of the surface, and reduce friction that would prevent the rise of the base up out of the snow.

  32. My design submissions by SilentScream · · Score: 2, Funny

    Submitted challenge to my in-house think tank and here is what they came up with: 1) 2,000 foot tall wooden skyscraper anchored into ice. Advantages: Tourist attraction as world's tallest building (added attraction that when viewed outside while standing on head, gives impression of being under world's largest popsicle). 2) Blue police callbox appearing structure that can be moved when necessary to adapt to changing environmental conditions. Advantages: Can be referred to by the highly memorable acronym, BASTARDIS (British Antartic Survey Time And Relative Dimenisions In Space). Can also be relocated back in time to take advantage of warmer eras. 3) The Halle Berry Research Station complete with the Monster's Ballroom and the Swordfish solarium. Advantage: Self-generating heat

  33. MAKE IT FLOAT!!! by jeephistorian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whatever they do, maybe they should make float! Then they could just reuse it when it sinks!

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  34. Re:Antarctic Base... by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

    " Thoughts?"

    Boobs.

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  35. If it needs to be moved... by innerweb · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ...then why not use NASA's solution for the launch pads. Using a treaded vehicle to move it would allow the base to be recycled, or at least provide a platform to build a more solid structure that would then have a longer potential lifetime.

    As the snow built up around the base, you would simply drive the vehicle/base forward up and over the new snow/ice. Of course, there is the problem of the extreme cold and what it does to machinery of any kind, and how much weight could be handled under each tread (there would have to be enough space covered by the treads to distribute the weight enough to allow the treads to safely move the base.)

    But, a mobile base would allow for some interesting investments to be made in the research capabilities. It would also allow the base to eventually move further inland with much less effort/risk as compared to building a new base closer to the pole (since you would have your habitat right there with you ;-). IANAA(I am not an architect), but I can still dream.

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  36. can't they outsouce to india ? by malok2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Seriously, there is snow in northern india.