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Incorporating Machine Learning into Firefox 2.0?

blakeross asks: "I will be doing research this summer at Stanford with Professor Andrew Ng about how we can incorporate machine learning into Firefox. As we work to finish up Firefox 1.0, we're also seeking ideas that will make Firefox 2.0 blow every other browser out of the water. People who come up with the best 3-5 ideas that involve the use of machine learning will win Gmail accounts, and if we implement your idea you'll be acknowledged in both our paper and in Firefox credits. Your idea will also be appreciated by the millions of people who use Firefox. We'll also entertain Thunderbird proposals. See my weblog post for more details; I'll read all comments posted in response to this story or to my weblog."

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  1. The top five ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here are the best five ideas incorporating machine learning:

    1. Based on the user's browsing habits, automatically bookmark the most frequently visited sites, and automatically put them into *multiple* categories (not just one category) to make them easy to find.

    2. Create a full-text index in real-time of every page that has been browsed. When the user visits any web page, display a sidebar of "Related previously-viewed pages."

    3. A Google-News-like consolidation feature for the user's most-frequently visited news site, automatically highlighting stories of interest based on ones they've previously viewed.

    4. Allow user to select "Fewer images like this" or "More images like this" or "Less text like this" and "More text like this" and using Bayesian or other similar filters, automatically block or highlight content. For blocking advertisements, or highlighting certain key passages.

    5. Allow the user to browse their own hard drive, and categorize content automatically ("this is a document about lambs" ... "this is a picture of a sunflower") and let them group and search for items. Eg. "Pictures like this" or "Documents about cats."

    Please give my Gmail accounts to Gmail for the troops.

    1. Re:The top five ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1. Based on the user's browsing habits, automatically bookmark the most frequently visited sites, and automatically put them into *multiple* categories (not just one category) to make them easy to find.

      No, don't do that. You think I want my favorite porn sites automatically bookmarked without me realizing it so my wife can see it and bitch me out?

      OR how about at work when some site I look at while goofing off ends up in my favorites? Ya, I really need some sports wesbites showing up in my favorities at work when the project manager tries to find a link to some development site at my workstation...

      Seriously, I would not want that feature at all. Not unless

      1) you can shut it off:

      or

      2) the machine learning is REALLY good and knows not to put porn or sports websites into my favorites but does put websites with API documentation and technews...good luck with that one.

    2. Re:The top five ideas by omaha · · Score: 4, Informative

      2. Create a full-text index in real-time of every page that has been browsed. When the user visits any web page, display a sidebar of "Related previously-viewed pages."

      see http://pychelsea.sourceforge.net/

    3. Re:The top five ideas by TastyWords · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I had a lot of material I was going to post, but I pulled it out and will likely send it offline.

      One of the things I think people place too much emphasis upon is the "Mine's Bigger!" syndrome. This happens in far too many facets of the workworld: the sweeps for the local news, when they've pulled out all the stops to find the juiciest stories which will make the others envious.

      When I wrote most of my initial message, there were a bunch of messages which applied primarly to formatting or things which would be kewl to power users and geeks. That leaves a lot of people out. Send out the best new models for each critic. "This one is really cool and it's got every feature unknown to man, but unless you're Steven Jobs, forget it." Compared with, "You know, the features and options are not quite what the others are, but anyone can use it. Now, which one of those projects would you want to work on? I can guarantee the sales of the latter would be far more than the previous.

      Probably one of the biggest things overlooked in the browser et. al market is in the searching mechanism. Unfortunately, far too many services which provide search mechanism have a "mine's bigger" syndrome when it comes to speed. "We serve up 100M requests a day with a minium return of x time.

      Who cares? Most of the time a browser or any other search mechanism is involved, the statistics should be on how fast the user is able to find their desired search, not the search they have to enter with an improperly designed interface. Take Google.com with an advanced search. First, that presumes, I'm presenting myself as an advanted user. That means I should be presented with an advanced screen. If that's advanced, there needs to be another level beyond that. Most of the time I have searches, I have to supply dunsel searches, then hack the supplied values in the supplied text box with the results of the text, then rerunning it.
      I've got more to say on my soapbox, but I'll send it offlist.

      Bottom Line: "Smarter" searching, not only for the occasional searches but for those who are labelled "giants among ants" (which) I am not, by any stretch of the imagination - I just knew I'd have a chance to use that phrase.

    4. Re:The top five ideas by seti32 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem with your navigation keys is that you've got the system caret accessibility option turned on. In Tools->Options->Advanced->Accessibility, turn off 'Move system caret with focus/selection changes'. Navigation keys should now act just like MSIE.

    5. Re:The top five ideas by Stray7Xi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Machine learning? how bout user learning... there's enough shortcuts and quirks to justify "tip of the day"

      but on machine learning...
      6. Prioritize the order in which images are downloaded on screen, based on whats most useful to the content of web page.
      7. Recognize which links on a page are most likely to be visited and place it on a menu available on status bar(similar to styles)
      8 Produce a citation for the current page (try to find author and other important details)
      9. Based on font resizes the user has done in the past, make sure the fonts displayed on page are large enough for user to read.
      10. Recognize when a user does a search at a site often enough and offer to add it to their search bar.
      11. Recognize which webpages the user is more likely to revisit, to sort the history by.

  2. Gmail accounts are worthless now... by chendo · · Score: 5, Funny

    .... considering how much Google gave out to drop the prices on eBay.

    I suggest better prizes. Y'know, like a girlfriend? I'm sure lots of us Slashdotters would like to have one over a Gmail account :p

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    1. Re:Gmail accounts are worthless now... by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Funny
      I would gladly trade my girlfriend for a Gmail account.


      That is, if I had one.

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    2. Re:Gmail accounts are worthless now... by Metallic+Matty · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would gladly trade my girlfriend for a Gmail account.

      Perhaps you should re-evaluate your priorities.

      That is, if I had one.

      See above.

    3. Re:Gmail accounts are worthless now... by Doomrat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Did you just insult him recursively?

    4. Re:Gmail accounts are worthless now... by kevcol · · Score: 2, Funny

      I already have 6 email accounts that receive nothing but spam - why the hell would I want another one?

      Because, my friend, now you can save that spam!

  3. ideas by pangel83 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    - The pop-up management in modern browsers who provide this feature although more efficient than in the past is still not perfect. Adapt to what pop-ups a person normally uses

    - Content highlighting (especially in news sites). Learn what types of news articles / subjects a user is interested in, and highlight titles in news pages that suit the user.

    - Accelerator for narrowband connections. Predict which pages the user is more likely to visit next, and start loading them as the user still reads the previous page.

    - Recognise efficiently scam sites? Protect users from fraudsters?

    PS: Not machine learning, but the sole requirement by me for a browser (dunno if its done in firefox now as hvent used it for a long time): Open new tab as a default rather than a new window, or at least provide the option.

    1. Re:ideas by __aawavt7683 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Requirement met: www.google.com, type in tabbrowser extension. First link is a mozilla plugin that has that as an option.

      Actually, it was the third link. http://white.sakura.ne.jp/~piro/xul/_tabextensions .html.en#download

      Click the third link down on that page at that area (Download Tabbrowser Extensions [tabextensions_en.xpi]" and there ya go.

      -DrkShadow

    2. Re:ideas by Dizzle · · Score: 2, Informative

      "PS: Not machine learning, but the sole requirement by me for a browser (dunno if its done in firefox now as hvent used it for a long time): Open new tab as a default rather than a new window, or at least provide the option."

      3 words: Tab Browser Extensions. It's all there.

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    3. Re:ideas by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Accelerator for narrowband connections. Predict which pages the user is more likely to visit next, and start loading them as the user still reads the previous page.

      This is the only suggestion so far that really seems worth making the browser larger (and hence, slower).
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    4. Re:ideas by hab136 · · Score: 4, Informative
      Accelerator for narrowband connections. Predict which pages the user is more likely to visit next, and start loading them as the user still reads the previous page.

      This is the only suggestion so far that really seems worth making the browser larger (and hence, slower).

      Link Prefetching is already in Mozilla/Firefox.

    5. Re:ideas by Biogenesis · · Score: 2, Informative
      Here's a partial solution to the "open in new tab" problem:

      #!/bin/sh
      export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME="/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox"

      ur l="$1"
      if [ "x$url" = "x" ]; then
      url="about:blank"
      fi

      if $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox openURL\("$url",new-tab\); then
      exit 0
      fi
      exec $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/firefox "$url"
      </TT>


      Shamelessly ripped from Here
    6. Re:ideas by mbourgon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about an option to open javascripted newwindows in a new tab? Lots of sights have slideshows that want to spawn a window - if you middle-click on them, the tab is empty.

      Hell, an easy way to save movies just shown - the page info doesn't seem to save "media" or "embed" objects.

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  4. auto-focus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    find a way to automatically aim focus at the box that the user seems to use most on a given page. this is my major annoyance with some form sites that insist on giving focus to something that i would never fill in first.

  5. My Requests by green+pizza · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1) Make it faster
    2) Please keep GTK+ 1.x support

  6. Smart Tabs by c0dedude · · Score: 5, Funny

    Make it so you can open all links on a page in new tabs, and the browser will sort them by content.

    Also, it would be awesome if using the internet were more like playing Fallout. That was a great game.

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    1. Re:Smart Tabs by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Also, it would be awesome if using the internet were more like playing Fallout. That was a great game.

      They once tried that but it broke their water chip.

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  7. idea by undertow3886 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Make it so when the user hits the Page Down key, a horizontal line appears for a few seconds where the old bottom of the page was, then fades away. So when you're reading long sections of text and hit Page Down, your eye can quickly scan to where you left off.

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    1. Re:idea by laserbeak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      same with middle click scroll, have a transparent gray line where the top of the page was when middle click scroll was clicked!

    2. Re:idea by da_foz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nice idea. But you would only want it to happen when there is a large section of text that goes off the bottom the screen. Part of the learning for this feature would have to be to recognize when this is the case. ie you would not want to to happen is you are scrolling down to look at a picture or if you are already at the bottom of the text.

    3. Re:idea by willpall · · Score: 2

      Damn that's a great idea! I have developed the habit of using my mouse to highlight random text on the page I'm reading before hitting [PAGE DOWN] for this very reason. This would eliminate my need to reach for the mouse everytime I want to do this.

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    4. Re:idea by mforbes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I -love- this idea! I've suffered from the same problem for years, especially in long articles like those to which Slashdot frequently links, and never bothered thinking about how to fix it-- but this idea is a WINNER!

      Yeah yeah, I know, I'm not really adding anything to the value of this thread-- but i wanted undertow3886 to know how much I like the way he (she?) thinks.

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    5. Re:idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One thing i really miss when reading long html files or browsing huge websites is that there's no "bookmark" feature. I do not mean the bookmarking as referred to saving the address of the site, but marking the place where you want to return (akin to the bookmarks placed in your IDE while programming, for example)

      Right now, whenever i click the Back button, Mozilla Firefox returns me to the exact place from where i had departed last. It would be better if this feature was made even more conspicuous through those "bookmarks."

      Just my 2c for this awesome browser :)

    6. Re:idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Submitted to bugzilla.mozilla.org here.

    7. Re:idea by moonbender · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Weird. I don't find this useful at all; I never had any problem with finding the line I stopped - it's always at the same basic spot, after all. Maybe it's something I picked up reading a couple thousand pages worth of e-books on computers... :)

      In any event, sounds like im in a harsh minority here, everybody else seems to be thrilled by the idea. And I guess I could always turn it off, beside the fact that it doesn't sound very intrusive at all. Nice.

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  8. lets see here by deus_X_machina · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "we're also seeking ideas that will make Firefox 2.0 blow every other browser out of the water."

    The competition: Internet Explorer, Netscape, Lynx, and Safari.

    I'd say it's already pretty much covered...
    (love my FireFox)

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    1. Re:lets see here by green+pizza · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >> we're also seeking ideas that will make Firefox
      >> 2.0 blow every other browser out of the water.

      >The competition: Internet Explorer, Netscape, Lynx,
      >and Safari.
      >I'd say it's already pretty much covered...

      I would have to agree that FireFox is pretty much the best browser today. But the performance on older hardware isn't much better than that of a new build of Mozilla. Also, the move to GTK2 and feature-creep are slowing it down futher.

      Safari on the other hand is very basic and very fast. Try it on a 300 MHz G3 to see what I mean. Apple did a great job of making a basic browser out of Konq/KHTML. I would **LOVE** to see a similar app for X11 (so I can run it on Linux, Solaris, and IRIX). Konq Embedded is close, but it's lacking some important features and isn't as fast as it could be.

      Long live FireFox--but keep it slim!

  9. FYI by grammar+fascist · · Score: 5, Informative

    (Undisclaimer: I do machine learning research at BYU.)

    Machine learning, in general, is getting computers to generalize based on data instances. The two main flavors are classification (inferring classifications of data instances based on previous instances) and regression (inferring a function based on input/output pairs).

    A lot of people incorporate artificial intelligence into the category "machine learning," though it's not strictly correct. Machine learning is more a branch of AI than anything. One way to keep them straight is to think AI = deduction, ML = induction. (That's vastly simplifying, but it helps to classify them roughly.)

    I wonder which way the author leans? Could he possibly post to clarify his meaning? :)

    You can do an awful lot with machine learning that you can't do with conventional techniques. You can often get great results for otherwise NP-hard problems. Slashdot had a story a while back about using machine learning to do mesh compression, in which their algorithm comes up with a close approximation to the real answer to an NP-hard problem in polynomial time.

    I'm currently using it to interpolate 2D images, and kicking bicubic B-spline interpolation all to heck. (Paper pending...) The machine learning algorithm infers shapes from the pixels, and keeps edges sharp.

    If I come up with an idea, I'll post it later. In the meantime: isn't Firefox supposed to be lean and mean? :)

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  10. I have a better proposal by bonch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...a browser that doesn't have machine learning in it. Seriously, Firefox is slow enough for me. What on earth would you possibly need "machine learning" for in a web page browser? I'd immediately switch back to Opera (I don't use it simply because input forms lag during page-loading, some sort of multithreading issue).

    That kind of automatic crap is the same sort of stuff people would bitch about if Microsoft put it into IE. I mean, do you really want your browser actually learning anything about you? Imagine the havoc it could wreak, especially if trojans started fucking around with it.

    Just give me the leanest, meanest browser out there. That's all Firefox 2.0 needs to be. Not a damn learning machine. Sheesh.

    1. Re:I have a better proposal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Damn right!

      Looks like these guys are just looking for a place to dump their thesis after they finish.

      Thanks but no thanks.

      A browser doesn't really need machine learning as far as I'm concerned.

      If you want to waste a shitload of resources and bloat up some app add machine learning to emacs or something but not my browser!

    2. Re:I have a better proposal by torokun · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Here's my idea: Use machine learning to figure out the most-often-used code paths, and thereby allow users to optimize their browsers by removing or unloading from memory the least-needed functions, or rearranging the code to allow fastest access to those functions... Maybe you could still leave stubs in the UI so that code could be dynamically loaded if someone eventually decided to use something they rarely used. A self-optimizing browser that sheds the code you don't give a crap about. Now that would rock.

    3. Re:I have a better proposal by odaen · · Score: 2

      Here's a nice simple one. When the cursor hovers over an unloaded image, priority is automatically given to that image to load ASAP.

    4. Re:I have a better proposal by Darren+Winsper · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's already here. It's called virtual memory. Rarely used sections of memory get paged to disk in favour of more commonly used pages.

    5. Re:I have a better proposal by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...a browser that doesn't have machine learning in it. Seriously, Firefox is slow enough for me. What on earth would you possibly need "machine learning" for in a web page browser? I'd immediately switch back to Opera (I don't use it simply because input forms lag during page-loading, some sort of multithreading issue).

      Ah one of the "I Don't want any feature because it will slow down this product person even though I have no idea on how it is implemented". Don't complain about it until you see it in action. Most of the time people load a page and read it. during this time the processor is often idl (unless you are always running a important time sensitive task in the background where 1 second loss over 1 hour is that important. That case you should get an other PC. Plus how long do you think it would take for Opera to incorporate that feature once firefox does (the next version, perhaps 2 or 3). So in time you will still have it but you will also get the input forms lag during page-loading, some sort of multithreading issue

      That kind of automatic crap is the same sort of stuff people would bitch about if Microsoft put it into IE. I mean, do you really want your browser actually learning anything about you? Imagine the havoc it could wreak, especially if trojans started fucking around with it.
      Well I never heard much real bitching about IE, except for security issues, and popups, and add/spyware adding (which I think is the same as a security issue). There is a big different to a feature that just finds your browsing habits vs. say downloading any activeX control that has full access to your computer and all the person needs to do is hit yes. This type of feature if done right can be very secure and non evasive to the user.

      ust give me the leanest, meanest browser out there. That's all Firefox 2.0 needs to be. Not a damn learning machine. Sheesh.

      Well if you want lean and mean then try Lynx now that is lean and mean, Or if you really want to be an uber geek,,,
      telnet slashdot.org 80 and type your favorite http command.

      You have to realize the tools like firefox are tools that are designed to use of the general population and they can't be ultra lean and mean there are limits because there is a point where the general population wont have most of the features they need or want. Plus if they like it better then the others then it helps too.

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    6. Re:I have a better proposal by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Insightful


      I hate to do a 'me too' post, but short of a /. poll on the subject, how else are we to voice how strongly we feel about this?

      I like my applications to be as discrete as possible. Sure, make them interoperable, but don't turn a sharp little application like Firefox into a clumsy swiss army knife.

      The obvious compromise would be to make these advanced features an extension that can be plugged in, but, although I'm not familiar with the Firefox source, I am an experienced programmer and I'd expect something this sophisticated not to be possible without impacting the rest of the application. Or else, if it didn't then you'd have a de facto branch which would have a bad effect on Firefox development.

      In short, I like Firefox (using it now) because it is lean, it does exactly what it's supposed to and little more.

      Also, when my computer tries to anticipate what I'm trying to do, I usually find this fairly irritating, the autocomplete of file names in *NIX shells being the only exception. ;)

      Please don't install Clippy into Firefox.

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  11. Screw machine learning... by MSBob · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've been waiting for searchable bookmarks for about a decade now and it is yet to appear in any web browser. Bookmarks as implemented in today's browsers are useless. They are unmanageable beyond twenty or so and the interfaces to keep them "organized" in "folders" are clumsy at best.

    There. Your most important feature that browsers never had. Searchable bookmarks. Doesn't get much simpler than that. Am I the only one who thinks it's something every browser should have had long time aog?

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    1. Re:Screw machine learning... by MSBob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which browsers are you talking about? Are you thinking about the lame ass implementation inf firefox that searches within bookmark titles and URLs? Bookmark search should actually search on bookmarked pages themselves. Nothing less will do.

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    2. Re:Screw machine learning... by MSBob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The diff is that the pages I had already bookmarked ARE relevant to ME. And it's been countless times that I found a really good page only to forget its url and struggle to get it out of google again. Searchable bookmarks are orthogonal to Google. we need both.

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    3. Re:Screw machine learning... by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      see, that's what I meant about explaining what you meant. You say browsers have never had the feature of "searchable bookmarks", but browsers do have that feature, just not the feature you're now describing.
      I knew that's what you probably meant, but you could have also been blind or something.

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    4. Re:Screw machine learning... by kryptkpr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If this was extended to also search pages in your history ("What was that really good site about fixing roof leaks I found 2 days ago?") it would be even handier. I don't always have the foresight to bookmark every useful page I stumble upon, but I have my history set to go back 2 weeks (I really don't care if someone sees what sites I've been to, I'm not ashamed :)

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    5. Re:Screw machine learning... by pembo13 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just wanted to let you know that Netscape 6.1 has searchable bookmarks, at least the one I have installed searches my bookmarks.

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    6. Re:Screw machine learning... by jeffehobbs · · Score: 4, Informative


      I've been waiting for searchable bookmarks for about a decade now and it is yet to appear in any web browser.

      Your decade is at a close! As of version 5, available today, Omniweb has both searchable bookmarks and history, Launchbar (also available now) can search across all browser bookmarks simultaneouslt, and Safari 2.0 will have this kind of functionality as well next year in Mac OS X "Tiger".

      ~jeff

    7. Re:Screw machine learning... by Coryoth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The crux of the problme here is that (looking at your replies to other posters) you want to search the content of pages in your bookmarks (or even just in your history).

      For someone that's keen (I may even try myself if I find some time) couldn't a close approximation of this be done VERY simply by just sending a search request to google restricting to sites listed in your history? All you need to do is parse out the unique sites from your history or bookmarks, and just pass those in to the google search. You could practically just write a bookmarklet to do it right now...

      Jedidiah.

    8. Re:Screw machine learning... by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is BUILT INTO FIREFOX. Just go to manage bookmarks, and use the search bar.

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  12. Browsing the filesystems with tabs by eyefish · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about this: How about browsing the filesystem using tabs?

    So for example, in one Firefox window you see the contents of your hard drive (or network folders) pretty much the same way as the Windows Explorer or Gnome/KDE/MacOSX show it to you today BUT if you click the middle mouse button on a directory (or select "open in new tab") you end up with the new directory being open in a new tab.

    Think about it, how many windows do you usually have open browsing your filesystem? with this thing you have ALL those windows in the same window organized by tabs, PLUS you also have all you websites as well on tabs right along the filesystem tabs!

    And here's another kicker: You can bookmark a group of filesystem browser tabs and later go back to them. You can even drag the group of bookmark tabs to the desktop so that when you double-click on it Firefox opens up all of them at once.

    This should all be done with host filesystem integration so that you can drag-and-drop files between the firebox filesystem view and the normal host OS desktop.

    1. Re:Browsing the filesystems with tabs by Sparr0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      uhm, every mozilla-based browser, as well as konqueror, can already do almost exactly what you have described. i just checked, i can do all of it except drag the bookmark to the desktop and filesystem integration in mozilla and firefox, and it only takes about 30 seconds to make a shortcut to the bookmark group on the desktop manually. in konqueror i can do all of it except tabs (it opens a new window on middle click, which is as good as tabs if you give it its own desktop) and bookmark groups, although i understand theres a patch underway to enable bookmark groups. if the features of moz and konq were combined you would have EXACTLY what you described. so, nothing new here, just a wish to put them together.

    2. Re:Browsing the filesystems with tabs by ErichTheWebGuy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Konqueror can be made to open a new tab instead of a new window.

      From in Konqueror, Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Web Behavior -> Open Links in a new tab instead of a new window.

      It says links, but the setting applies to filesystem browsing too.

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  13. Technology before usefulness? by Manip · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does anyone else get the feeling that they are adding this just for the sake of it or so they can say they have it? I mean when you have the technology before any useful uses for it then clearly there is something wrong.

    I think that creating a good browser though gimmicks is a poor long term strategy and seriously doubt this route will turn up anything useful. Ideas should be so simple and obvious and inspire us to say 'who dont we have that already?!' not something we search for!

  14. GOOD IDEA!!! by green+pizza · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whoa! Good call! That's an awesome, basic feature that could easily be added to FireFox without bogging it down.

    (So many of the other suggestions so far would make FireFox slow to a crawl. Lets keep it lean and mean, please!)

  15. Going about it backwards? by jaaron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't this going about things backwards a little?

    To me this sounds like a clear case of "technology X is really cool. Let's find some reason to include it in product Y." Which often means that product Y becomes much more complicated than it needs to be.

    How about first looking for a list of browser "needs" so to speak. What would make the best browser? What current deficiencies to browsers have? And so on. Then, if you really want to, try to figure out if any of these problems could be solved with machine learning.

    Don't just inject a technology into a product because it's cool. Make sure there's a real need for it.

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  16. Bookmark Clustering by women · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know if this has been posted, but I'll give it a shot...

    I've accumulated well over a thousand bookmarks and have been much too lazy to organize them into folders. If you could automatically cluster bookmarks (http://vivisimo.com/ does this with web results) I would be eternally grateful.

    One more suggestion is to learn usage patterns in a particular website. For example, when I go to http://www.nytimes.com, I generally click on the opinions sections. If the browser could anticipate that I typically go to the opinion section, it could start to preload it before I click on it.

    I realize the later suggestion is much easier to implement than the former, but the clustering would be very useful for lazy surfers like me.

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  17. Here's a suggestion: by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Make it an extension only!

    Seriously, it would be a really neat feature if some of the suggestions posted here were realized... but this whole idea screams of bloat bloat bloat. What makes FireFox so appealing for some (including me) is it's compactness and lack of bells and whistles. The FireFox project FAQ echos these sentiments: It's small, fast, simplified, nothing other than what you need. "Just a browser"

    Don't let feature creep ruin it!
    =Smidge=

  18. MOST IMPORTANT... by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...include an option to TURN IT OFF.

    I hate it when anything software tries to "predict". I don't want it. Please make sure it has an OFF button. Seriously. Thank you.

    1. Re:MOST IMPORTANT... by davidstrauss · · Score: 2, Informative
      It would have been fine if the start menu had been essentially normal and simply had an extra "Recent Programs" that did the collapsed menu as an ADDITIONAL PARALLEL feature, but no, the had to make a mess.

      That's exactly what Windows XP has. Recent programs are on the menu you immediately pull up, and all programs are under a menu called "All Programs" at the bottom.

      Also, you can disable that feature in Windows 2000.

  19. Improve your mindset. by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do NOT bloat the browser.

    Want to add crap? PLUGINS!

  20. My numero uno idea.. by Mmm+coffee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...Is to make it very easy to turn whatever machine learning features incorperated into 2.0 off totally, with minimum fuss and searching.

    It is my firm belief that then #1 rule of UI design is that the program should should look and act consistant. And the number two rule is that the program should never assume anything, or perform any action without the user explicitly telling it to (barring sane default behaviors that will fit > 85% of the users). Every ML feature I have ever seen breaks #1 and #2 with reckless abandon by changing something to make it more 'friendly', which in turns makes it less friendly because I don't know _exactly_ what to expect from my program.

    Looking at the comments on that weblog, I can not find a single idea that does not either violate my top two rules, or would otherwise annoy me to no end. If they have to add that to Firefox then please, let me turn that crap off in three mouse clicks or less.

  21. Spyware Filter Integrated In Download Manager by dduardo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The firefox download manager should scan downloads for malicious spyware, stop the bad download(s) and warn the user of the danger posed by the file(s).

  22. Make autocompletion more efficient by zwalters · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A moderately annoying, but extremely common procedure when I'm browsing is to have a specific destination in mind, say Baseball Primer http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/primer/

    Now, because this has a lot of discussions, when I start typing basebal... I get a lot of urls in the autocompletion field like http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/primer/o racle/

    or even unrelated baseball sites. So it's not uncommon for me to have to press downarrow several times. A very useful application of machine learning would be to order the autocompletion possibilities so that my average number of downarrow presses is minimized.

  23. Do you even know what machine learning is? by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's an example:

    Bayesian filtering

    Thunderbird wouldn't be the same without it. Does it drag your system to a halt? Nope.

    I'd be awfully surprised if anything real CPU intensive would ever be installed into Firefox by default. Give these guys some credit.

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    1. Re:Do you even know what machine learning is? by SpootFinallyRegister · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, I do know what machine learning is, and I have to agree with the original poster. Not because there aren't potential uses for machine learning in a web browser, but because this is a fundamentally wrong way to develop software.

      Useful solutions to problems arise by developing solutions to problems, not by developing solutions and trying to shoehorn them into existing solutions. Create what you need -- dont create need to fit your ideas.

      Carving a square peg and wandering around a city to see where it fits makes much less sense than finding teh hole you need filled, and carving the peg to match.

    2. Re:Do you even know what machine learning is? by EvilAlien · · Score: 3, Funny
      Ya! And another thing, back in my day we didn't have this new-fangled Intarnet. We had BBSes and we liked it good enough.

      Nothin' pisses me off more than unnecessary innovation.

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    3. Re:Do you even know what machine learning is? by Issue9mm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you serious? Almost every suggestion made was in regards to an existing problem. For example:

      "2. Create a full-text index in real-time of every page that has been browsed. When the user visits any web page, display a sidebar of "Related previously-viewed pages."

      I am constantly browsing pages doing research, regardless the topic. Say I google for "read process memory", and come up with 100 results. The way I browse is to open the first 15-20 results as tabs, and close out the ones that don't apply as I run across them.

      I can't tell you how many times I've run into a page that had the exact answer to a problem I didn't have yet, like "read process memory 0x00e32 errors". When I performed the initial search, I didn't need that, because I didn't have that error yet... however, after I found the answer to my initial problem, I _do_ need that page. The problem is, I didn't bookmark it because it didn't apply at the time.

      Given the solution proposed, I could simply pull up the bookmark of the page I did use, and it would relate that to the page that I need.

      This might sound obscure, and it might be a bad example, but it happens to me quite frequently, for numerous reasons, and I've never even given thought to how to fix it, and since the problem is with me, never even registered that it could be solved.

      -9mm-

    4. Re:Do you even know what machine learning is? by E_elven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Gah. An e-mail client has a lot more free cycles than a browser; therefore something that works on an e-mail client may not work on a browser, particularly since the application of the feature would be completely different.

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  24. Have solution, seek problem. by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What's wrong with this picture?

    Adding what passes for "machine learning" to a user interface usually results in something that does the right thing some of the time, the wrong thing some of the time, and you can't figure out why.

    Bayesian spam filtering is becoming like that. At first it worked, but it's breaking down under the rising percentage spam.

  25. Few things off the top of my head. by killjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Have it learn where I am saving which files and offer up that directory as default. If I am saving all pictures into one directory and all movies into another it should know that.

    I want virtual folders in my mail. These are "live" queries like "all mail today" or "all mail marked urgent". As I mark metadate on the email they will show up in the proper virtual folder.

    Full text search of all email.

    Choice of multiple home pages. It learns when I want my home pageX and homepage Y.

    Roaming bookmarks!!!. While I am at it roaming everything including profiles and preferences. The ability to carry my email filters from location to location would be awsome.

    A network install where the administrator can set global prefs and install global plugins. I also want the option to override the users preferences and lock them out of certain setting.

    It should learn to adjust my font size (and other settings?) based on site. If a web site always puts tiny print then I want the fonts larger only for that site. Perhaps have it learn "ugly" sites and put my default styles instead.

    Auto proxy. I want to feed a list of proxy servers and have it switch randomly (even from one site to another). Think of this as super privacy.

    Ability to arbitrarily morph the the incoming text stream using regexp or javascript. This would allow me to roll my own weird crap.

    Make XUL 50 times better. Make it so it's trivial to use XUL to make database front ends. Give me a great GUI builder for it.

    I have lots more ideas but that's enough for now.

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  26. ... and give the option to easily Turn Them Off by ArcticCelt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All good ideas and I am sure that many people will come with some other good ones but please, the most important is to give the option to easily Turn Them Off! For example I would like to be able to turn on and of JavaScript from a button on the browser. The same way it would be nice to be able to customize a toolbar where you had an on off buttons for those features that I maybe don't want to use all the time.

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    1. Re:... and give the option to easily Turn Them Off by Laur · · Score: 2, Informative
      For example I would like to be able to turn on and of JavaScript from a button on the browser. The same way it would be nice to be able to customize a toolbar where you had an on off buttons for those features that I maybe don't want to use all the time.

      http://prefbar.mozdev.org/

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      When you lose something irreplaceable, you don't mourn for the thing you lost, you mourn for yourself. - Harpo Marx
  27. Improve URL matching in the address bar by slobber · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Currently, if I start typing URL in the address bar, it matches URLs alphabetically. This gets very annoying at times, especially if you accidentally type giigle.com instead of google.com and then it keeps on matching giggle.com for weeks when I type "g".

    This problem can be fixed by using frequency count with some time decay. For example, if I went to google.com 100 times within last week and once to giggle.com, then match to google.com on "g". If, however, I went to giigle.com 5 times recently, then match to giigle.com

    While one might argue that this makes the algorithm unpredictable from user's standpoint, in my experience people keep on typing until they see the correct match. So, this way they'll see the right match sooner on average.

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    "You mortals are so obtuse." -Q
  28. Change page layout and design by olscratch69 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Allow the user to change the layout and design of the web pages he views. WYSIWYG style. Would allow the user to make a webpage he doesn't like more to his/her liking. I don't think the web page designer should have the last word on how a page should look. I think I should be able (as the user) to move text, pictures, and links as I see fit.

  29. Clippo in Firefox by AllNicksWereTaken · · Score: 5, Funny

    (Clippo, from Office, featured in Firefox...) Clippo: It looks like you're browsing pornography. You also appear to be typing with your left hand. Would you like to enable the spellchecker?

  30. Re:Just when you thought firefox was complete... by wersh · · Score: 4, Informative

    I would suggest you get involved with the Mozilla project directly if you want to contribute.

    Wow, he followed that suggestion fast:

    Who is working on Firefox? Currently Ben Goodger (working for the Mozilla Foundation), Brian Ryner (for IBM), Pierre Chanial, Blake Ross, Dave Hyatt, Benjamin Smedberg, Darin Fisher and the wider community contributing to the Mozilla codebase.

    From Mozilla Firefox 0.9 (One Tree Hill) Release Notes

    I don't know if he's a "programming god," but I seriously doubt he's "some highschool kid with all summer to screw around."

  31. Answer: by bersl2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Extension. It's why that framework exists.

  32. Bookmark filtering in Firefox suggestion by talaphid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Speaking of Bayesian filtering, some form of clever-er guessing as to where my next bookmark in my ecclectic collection of bookmarks goes. Sample relatively unique keywords in pages as bookmarked, weight towards bookmark folder baskets, bingo.

    Avoid more sophisticated algorhythms that infer a sorting methodology the same as the developer, however. Maybe I have a Programming folder which has C in it, and so you'd infer that all characteristics of matches to Programming inherit to C, if that's the sort of sorter you are, and that fits with you, me, and program-think, so that's right? Right? Except perhaps I'm a university student who has a University folder, and I'm studying Java, whose extrinsic attribute prioritizes sorting it into that group... so you'd end up with a word weighting argument between superclass Programming, which is wrong, and Java, which is right.

    Let me be clear. This suggests nothing at all about helping the user organize their bookmarks - everyone has their own system (although perhaps a Bayesian category guesser would be a separate fun feature). This suggestion is merely better guessing of first suggested folder when I CTRL-D.

    1. Re:Bookmark filtering in Firefox suggestion by otisg · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I have a better suggestion - don't use folders for bookmarks at all!

      Simpy (c.f. sig) uses that approach, and it works great! Does Google categorize pages? No, you simply drill down to pages you need by doing a search.

      Try Simpy demo, and you'll see.

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    2. Re:Bookmark filtering in Firefox suggestion by typobox43 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In Firefox, the Ctrl+D shortcut brings up a dialog asking you where you want to place the bookmark. I think the parent just wants Firefox to use an algorithm to guess which folder should be initially selected in this dialog. It would be quite a nice feature - I'm tired of everything getting stuffed in my Bookmarks Toolbar Folder when I'm in a hurry.

    3. Re:Bookmark filtering in Firefox suggestion by Jesus_666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That would be kind of useful, if I wasn't currently drifting away from browser-handled bookmarks and instead using a customized start page using CSS-generated menus, in which you can fit anything from links to the Google search <form>.
      hmm, that would be a nice feature - a start page generated from your bookmark folders, utilizing meta-bookmarks (which are in fact HTML snippets). Add customizable CSS and a name like about:start and I'd be sold.

      And if you want to cram a learning algorithm into that, make the code that generates the start page sort the folders and bookmarks by how often you use them.

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  33. Recognize and Navigate Multi-Page Displays by MonkeyBoyo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Often masses of information are broken into multi page presentations.

    Somewhere on the page you have buttons named things like Next, Previous, or Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6.

    There may be good design rules for positioning these elements but often they are not followed.

    I've found many instances where I have to scroll up or down just to find the Next button so that I can click it.

    It should be possible to learn for a given site (or sub-tree of a site) what the Next and Previous buttons are just from user behavior and the nearly identical layout of say page 2 to page 3. I think this could be done without parsing any of the html or gifs associated with the buttons.

    If Firefox could learn and extract multi-page navigation then these functions could be bound to buttons up on the menu bar, or assigned to keys, and the whole problem of scrolling to find a Next would go away.

  34. Auto-Detect thoes crappy "placeholder" websites by eggsome · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You know the ones... You misstype the address for one of your regular sites (or possibly a site out of a computer magazine thats three years old). And you get a generic page with info on "www.whateveryoutypedin.com".
    When you close the window you're asked if you'd like to set your homepage to www.searching.net?
    Yeah right...

    If Firefox could communicate with a central server and look for similarities of pages like this and when it hits a page like this it just has a simple message that this website has been hijacked, that would be handy. (and would protect dumb users).

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    If they made a movie of your life, would anybody buy a ticket?
  35. flash preference detection by shaitand · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are three types of sites in the world:

    Those that use flash for ads
    Those that use flash for content
    Those that stay the hell away from flash

    Rightnow, Firefox doesn't have any way to tell the difference between 1 and 2. But I do, I can clearly see if it's an ad or not. On every flash ad give me the option to tell the browser it's good flash or bad flash and intelligently learn what sites ("sites" also being defined by study of the urls, if I say www.bob.com/~jimbo/whatever.htm and www.john.com/~jimbo/howie.htm and www.curly.com/~jimbo/marthastewart.html are bad it should figure out there is a commonality in the ~jimbo part and apply my preference) have bad flash and block flash content on those sites, instead presenting me with a button to load to allow that content to load.

    It should use a number of pieces of information, the url of the page, the url of the flash animation, the size of the animation, the name of the animation, the server the page is being served off of, etc.

    1. Re:flash preference detection by The+boojum · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't think machine learning is needed for this problem.

      FlashBlock. already does something like you suggested with a button allowing the content to loaded. It just replaces all Flash with a placeholder that you can click to load. The newest versions add a whitelist of sites to allow (e.g. Homestar). Since there are relatively few sites with a legitimate need for Flash, it works quite well in practice.

      The page says "Sorry, no Firefox 0.9 installer yet.", but I've found it works fine for me with 0.9.x.

  36. Home: Smater Front Page by doctor_no · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Smater Front Page: Making use of the first thing that the user sees when starting up.

    How about creating an interface for the default page for Firebird. Instead of pointing to the Mozilla.org homepage creating a default Front page designed to evolve to the habits of the user. Whatever way you want to utilize machine learning, you will need a centralized location to acess the results, why not use "Home". That being, creating a simple interface (XUL, not html) that points the user to their most visted bookmarks, or a catagorised and searchable list of their bookmarks(or internet), or updating the user if their most visted sites are updated, aggregating information from sites from their own browsing habits in a single interface when the browser starts up.

    Also, if the user uses Thunderbird or Sunbird updating the user of new E-mails and new appointments on the front page. A front page that is customizable to the needs of the user, and avoiding the clutter and ads of commerical sites, and that is local on the users computer and not centralized on a website. And most importantly makes the individual users own data most intuitively accesible to themselves, and evolves to fit the individual user.

  37. I much prefer dumb computing by GoClick · · Score: 2, Insightful


    I don't want my browser learning, tracking, filtering, bookmaking, or otherwise doing anything with any data other than exactly what I tell it and I don't want it asking me if I'd like to do something, as if I didn't know. This also includes storing, caching or anything else.

    Am I paranoid? Maybe, or maybe with all of the privacy invasion from big brother these days I'd like a little control.

    I'm sure our clever Mozilla developers would give us a way to turn off any "advancements". Wasn't firefox supposed to be lightweight anyway?

    If you're going to make any options that store, learn, process, remember, filter or otherwise monger after my data, don't turn it on by default, it sounds like a security bungle, or at least abuse.

  38. Re:Patch available yet? by slamb · · Score: 2
    I'm wondering how long it'll be before we see the code to this feature submitted to the FireFox CVS. 2 hours from first post? 5 hours?

    I'd bet much longer. Slashdotters are all talk. There are any number of people who could implement this feature, but probably very few who would.

    Count me in the latter category. I like to think of myself as a decent C++ coder, but lately I don't have the time to learn the Mozilla codebase well enough to implement even a feature as simple as this.

  39. Re:GTK by green+pizza · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >> 2) Please keep GTK+ 1.x support
    > Just wondering...why? Is GTK+ 2.x not well-
    > supported on certain architectures, or what?

    Performance and RAM consumption, mainly. GTK 1.2 is easier on older hardware than GTK 2.x. (Note: I haven't yet worked with GTK 2.4)

  40. Re:A few ideas by Artifakt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "1. Keep track of how users enlarge/reduce the font size: if sites that use a 10 point font are repeatedly enlarged to 14 or 16 point then it is fairly safe to assume that the user has poor eyesight and all sites with tiny text should automatically be sized up."

    This is a good concept in several ways.
    First, what most people with eyesight limitations do is adjust the really severe problem text and put up with the less severe sorts, so if they enlarge 10 point to 16 consistently, they enlarge 12 to 16 only late in a browsing session, and just put up with 14 point type even though it's a bit smaller than optimum for them. People will go to an effort only when the threshold of discomfort is crossed and the problem gets their consious attention, and many people will put up with a problem beyond that.
    Second, it's a clearly quantifiable area, making it the sort of thing machines can excel at. If it turns out to have unexpected complexities, we will get a warning about how much worse other tasks, such as adjusting web sites based on the user's color preference or aestetic criteria, will be (no plaid backgrounds)

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  41. remember username/password after successful by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't ask me if I want to remember a username/password combo until AFTER the login has been successful.

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  42. Wow!!! A GMAIL ACCOUNT?!! by mr_gerbik · · Score: 3, Funny

    According to ebay, that prize is worth about 95 cents!

  43. Allow reorganization of open tabs by Hrrrg · · Score: 2, Interesting


    I would let the user grab tabs and drag them to where s/he wants them on the tab bar. Hmm, maybe even stacking tabs - when you drop one tab directly on another one they are stacked and you see all the tabs underneath the top tab only when you mouse over it.

  44. "Enforce UI rules" option by Dwonis · · Score: 3, Insightful
    (But give it a better name).

    Firefox needs an option to make the browser detect, and work around, user-interface abnormalities in poorly-designed websites.

    It's fairly well-established that the best user interfaces are the ones where there is no discrepancy between what the user thinks is going to happen, and what actually happens.

    When a user single-clicks a link, the link should open in the current window. Always. Any other behaviour (such as opening a new window) causes the user to be frustrated (or at least slowed down).

    Similarly, when the user middle-clicks a link (or shift-clicks or whatever), the link should always open in a new window/tab. No oddities like "javascript:gotosite()" or "http://path/to/exact-same-page.html#" should happen.

    Unfortunately, there are a lot of misguided website authors that think they're being helpful by doing non-standard things in an attempt to anticipate users' needs. This means that you'd need some type of machine-learning in order to work around these problems at the browser level.

    I imagine this would be done in a way similar to how SpamAssassin works.

  45. Content highlighting by wfeick · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Many pages are cluttered with navigational junk and ads that detract from the interesting content. Take a look at www.cnn.com, for example. The story text is in the middle, and that's what I'm interested in, but all the buttons, ads, additional information, etc. takes up a lot of space.

    Automatically identifying the main content of a page, and fading everything else out a bit would be very helpful.

    Some sites take an article and break it up into several pages. It would be useful to automatically recognize that, fetch the continuation pages for the article, and pull the relevent content back into the original page.

  46. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Interesting

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  47. Remember User Adjustments by DonGar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I frequently adjust different aspects of my browser for different sites. Adjusting the window size/position, bump up font size by 10%, allow/block images, whatever.

    I'd like a system that remembers those adjustments, and not only reuses them when I return to the same site, but applies them again where appropriate. 'Where appropriate' is where machine learning comes in.

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  48. firefox already sorts URLs by visit count by pmccormi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Firefox has done this since forever. Right now, I get "gmail.google.com" before "gamespot.com", because the primary heuristic is visit count.

    Both Mozilla and Firefox do the same thing, although the autocomplete implementation for each is separate.

    Bug 78270 discusses the algorithm; this was fixed before Firefox was ever released. It was inspired in part because IE appears to use a similar algorithm.

  49. How about fixing the bugs? by hopethishelps · · Score: 2, Insightful
    we're also seeking ideas that will make Firefox 2.0 blow every other browser out of the water.

    You mean more new features.

    Forget new features, just fix the bugs. There are bugs (some inherited from Mozilla) that make Firefox unusable on some Linux systems. If you want ideas for what to work on, go to Mozilla's bug list.

    This would be about 1000 times more useful than putting in yet more code bloat which will introduce yet more bugs. Of course, it won't gratify your ego as much. It's a question of what your goal is - accomplish something useful for the community, or pump up your ego.

  50. Opera already does this by Nitish · · Score: 2, Informative
  51. a "pause" button? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All this talk about machine learning is great, but I would absolutely love to have ONE button that will quickly "pause machine learning, cookie enabling, disk caching, history logging, and whatever else". ie, a "privacy button".

    A lot of times, I don't care to have my actions logged forever, but at the same time, I don't want to have to go through all settings and change them manually, or completely nuke all my bookmarks, cookies, and disk cache from the last few months.

    When would I not want my actions logged forever? I can just see posts joking about pr0n headed this way, but in all seriousness:
    - looking for another job during lunch at work
    - searching for a surprise gift/vacation for the gf/wife while at home
    - borrowing a friend's browser for a few minutes to do some on-line banking
    - etc...

    My 2cents...

  52. Homepage by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A homepage based on the most frequently visited sites. Could possibly even seperate them into categories with the META tags.

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  53. firefox ideas by TheGamingGrant · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have no idea if this is feasable or even relevant, but I'll suggest it anyway. Something that watches the user's actions for repetitions or a pattern. Then, offer to create a script/macro for them to use, or modify settings. Examples: User consistently opens browser, then go to a specific URL. Program sees this and offers to set it as the homepage. This would be immediate (within a half-minute or so) in case the user just browses their home page, then goes elsewhere. On certain days, user consistently goes to certain sites (ie checking web comics or Slashdot :). The program would perhaps offer to create a set of daily bookmark sets that can be used. Example: Sites visted on Mondays would be in a folder marked "Monday". When I download an episode from Red vs Blue, I put it in a folder marked "Red vs Blue". The program would recognize that the file path is consistent for that URL, and change settings so that any download from that site is directed to the "Red vs Blue" folder. A web page consists of several subsequent download links, and the user is downloading them all one after the other. The program would offer to create a script to do the task for the user, and let them define folder settings and file names. Like I said, I don't know if this can be done or if its what you're looking for, but its an idea.

  54. Truthalizer by erixtark · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would want a credibility rating on web pages.

    There is a lot of information on the web but almost no way to verify the data. I would like a way for people to report the credibility of the information contained on a web page.

    This is especially important with news reporting and double-extra-especially important in times of war.

    It is also all too simple for politicians, journalists and other people of power to repeat the same old lies over and over.

    The memory of media is short. A Truthalizer would help make it a bit longer.

  55. Suggestions by Issue9mm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, I know that there are plugins for this one, but keeping bookmarks in sync on multiple machines via server storage. Since I got my laptop, it's not a big issue, but I hate having to go back to my other machine cause that's where the bookmark is.

    Enabling persistent storage of passwords. I honestly don't know how much or little of a security hole this would be, but I am constantly using the "remember my password" feature in Moz/FF, and it KILLS me when I have to reinstall and start adding them all again. Have it store that file to a spot on the hard drive (or better, server sync if that option is turned on), and allow me to keep that data even if I have to uninstall/reinstall the application.

    -9mm-

  56. Re:self-modifying code is a no-no by gfody · · Score: 3, Insightful

    thats in reference to modifying currently executing code in tight loops. that used to be a common way to avoid branching back in the day.. nowadays if you have to use a conditional jump in a tight loop its usually not faster to try and work around it.

    lately the term "self modifying code" is commonly attributed to dynamic code generation (it does sound cooler), but dynamic code generation is still the best way to accomplish many things and nothing intel says about "self modifying code" applies to dynamic code generation techniques.

    anyways, what your parent is speaking of is neither of these things. loading only the code that is required is a technique known as "late binding" and is a great way to modularize an otherwise bloated application.. I think firefox is already on this path with its extensions. hopefully they remove more extension-like features from the main app and implement those features in extensions, perhaps ones that are installed by default.

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  57. That's crazy enough that it just might work! by SparkyTheDog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let's see....what I would like to see in a new version of TB and FF....

    1) Fully integrated internet applications:
    Okay, this isn't FF/TB specific, but I wonder if there would be any benefit in somehow tightly integrating an e-mail client, a web browser and an IM client. I'm not just talking about linking the applications, I'm talking about a single work space with common buttons, common tabs, common favorites and address bars etc. for all of these apps. Web broswers, e-mail and IM are the three most widely-used Internet apps, yet they all operate separate from each other. I'm sure that there would be some benefit to trying to merge them (like an IM-log in your e-mail "sent" box or tabbed IM seem like logical things to me).

    2) Zero-footprint applications:
    I would love to see FF and TB be a non-installed, fully-contained application within a single directory (Windows side, at least). It would allow me to slap it on my USB memory key and surf the net and do my e-mail without leaving a trail. In the absolute least, that should be done with Thunderbird.

    3) Aliases for webpages:
    It would be cool if I could just create aliases for some sites. For example, I could just type in SLASH versus SLASHDOT.ORG to get to Slashdot. Firefox would check my manually-entered aliases first to see if I had entered in a shortcut, then try and do a DNS resolve if it didn't find the shortcut. I know that these are essentially bookmarks, but I find typing easier than using the mouse to go to a bookmark (makes me feel like a real computer user).

    4) Smart Address Bar dropdown:
    When typing in a site in the address bar, Firefox tries to do a match for me against previous visits. But the problem is that one site typically dominates the suggestion because of all of the sub-pages e.g. if I type in WWW.SLASH, Firefox will show me slashdot.org, slashdot.org/article1, slashdot.org/article2 etc when I really want to see all of the MAIN sites that start with WWW.SLASH, such as WWW.SLASHDOT.ORG, WWW.SLASHTHENASH.ORG etc.

    Well, those are my two cents...(can I have my change please?)

  58. Saving images by torklugnutz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I grab images off websites all the time and save them into a bunch of different folders. I would like if the browser paid attention to where I saved certain images from certain sites and then automatically jump to the folder I last used FOR THAT SITE. It would save me a few seconds a day, at least.

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  59. Machine Learning Privacy Agent by nyri · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People regard their privacy highly and are reluctant to provide their personal information to websites. Website which need personal details from its users have to convince a new user that it won't misuse the data that it has. This is usually made with a statement, known as Privacy Policy.

    Privacy Policies have problems. First, they are usually written in a legal language incomprehensible to a lay person. Second, people have no way of knowing that website in fact follows the policy it has.

    One way of assuring people might be machine readable privacy policies. P3P (Platform for Privacy Preferences) is W3C framework for such privacy protocol. It allows user to store his personal data to a P3P agent, which will then follow the user given rules to share private information.

    This agent should be implemented to firefox and it could use a machine learning to automate further the interactions with websites. The agent could for example learn, that if website's privacy policy promises to use user's e-mail address only for initial consistency check and to send a forgetten password if user explicitly asks for it, the agent can give it to the website without prompting the user.

    Of course, this won't solve the problem of malicious websites which don't follow their privacy policies, but is a step into right direction where privacy policies are certified and their enforcing is auditted.

  60. Searching for "stuff I've seen before" by WoKKiee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know that it is planned for MSIE, but this would be a nice feature. If it could store browsing history in a central location, it would be great too, because often I can't remember if I'd seen something while surfing at work or at home.

    Some kind of a history.html file that is automatically modified on ones personal webspace could be a an idea.

    Sigs waste bandwidth in 56k land.

  61. Have you tried Powermarks? by Quizo69 · · Score: 2

    It isn't freeware, and if someone wants to clone it as a freeware, Firefox-aware app that'd be great, but it does just what you are asking for.

    It narrows the bookmarks as you type, based on title, URL, and keyword fields.

    http://www.kaylon.com/power.html

    If Firefox had this built in via a search bar or some such it'd be awesome.

  62. Give me VIM by Kent+Recal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Machine learning?
    Give me a break.

    What I'd like to see if I could finally use vim for these damn textareas (or any editor of choice for that matter).

  63. Re:A few ideas by Hortensia+Patel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think that the existing "Minimum font size" pref is a better (not to mention cleaner) way of solving the same problem.

  64. Best e-mail idea ever by tempshill · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The following is the best e-mail idea of the last two years, and should be a feature of every e-mail program.

    As a person who writes a lot of e-mail, or as a manger, one major organizational problem is simply not having your messages replied to. It currently takes a ton of manual effort to decide which of your e-mails need a followup by you. So much effort that nobody does it. Some questions fall through the cracks when you write a hundred e-mails a day. Closing up these cracks would measurably, demonstrably improve the effectiveness of managers, project coordinators, and any other heavy communicators, since e-mail has become the most important and most used mode of communication for a large number of people. (It is very rare to see a manager actually send out an e-mail asking "Was this resolved?" Generally, un-followed-up e-mail is simply forgotten.)

    A system for followup could be partially automated.

    1. A checkbox exists when writing an e-mail. If turned on, it tells the e-mail client, locally, that you want to make sure this e-mail has been followed up. I'll call this a "follow-this-up", or FTU, e-mail.

    2. After an FTU e-mail has been sent, the e-mail client remembers it in a list. Once an FTU e-mail is sent, a copy of it is placed in a mail folder which I'll call the FTU folder. The user of the e-mail client can open this mail folder at any time to see the FTU e-mails that still have to be followed up.

    3. When the client detects that a recipient of an FTU e-mail has replied to that e-mail, then it provisionally removes the FTU e-mail from the FTU folder. (Probably the e-mail is grayed out in the list but not actually removed.) Making this detection complete and thorough is an interesting problem. The starting point would probably be based on receiving an e-mail from the recipient with an appropriate subject line (e.g. the same subject line prefaced by FW: or Re: or Re[5]:). And in order to increase the effectiveness of this technique, the client might actually maintain a database of previously-used subject lines that are already in the FTU folder, and nag the user if he sends a second e-mail with the same subject, asking him to write a more elaborate Subject line.

    Other starting techniques could include parsing the e-mail's content to see if part of the content matches an FTU e-mail that has been received. Or by utilizing e-mail fields or even implementing a new e-mail field which hopefully doesn't get stripped when the recipient replies.

    This system, then, tries to ensure that after an FTU e-mail is sent, there is either a copy of the e-mail in the FTU folder so the user can see that the recipient hasn't followed up, and the user can follow up with a question; or there is a response from the recipient in the user's Inbox.

    User interface is critical to making this system useful for the user:

    4. When the client sees that an FTU e-mail has been replied to, it presumes that a followup has actually occurred. This obviously may not be true; the recipient may have responded with a joke, or with a followup question, or with "I'll get back to you Thursday". Presumably when you read a followup to an FTU e-mail, a new bar of UI should appear in the client saying to the user "This looks like a followup to an FTU e-mail you sent, which you can view by clicking here." Buttons would let the user choose things like "Yes, this resolves my FTU e-mail completely" or "No, I still need a followup", or "I now want my reply to this e-mail to be an FTU e-mail, and not the parent."

    5. I imagine that the FTU folder displays its FTU e-mails in date order, showing the oldest non-followed-up e-mail at the top (colored red after 2 to 4 days or so). The user can mark these e-mail copies as already-followed-up (i.e. it's resolved, no more followup needed, because the recipient saw me in person and resolved it).

  65. Good idea, but in realtime? by hobo2k · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is a good idea for any application. It includes function reordering (to get things to fit in cache lines for example), function inlining, better register allocation, local var reordering. Basically re-examine all the compiler optimisations based on actual usage statistics.

    The next (or next after next?) version of MS Visual Studio will include a new profiler that does part of this. The developer will compile an instrumented build of the app. Run the app in common senarios. Then recompile the app with generated statistics.

    Doing this in realtime might be useless though. Difficult to gather statistics fast enough. Plus the lack of info about the source code (i.e. debug symbols).

    IMHO, this suggestion should be given to the GCC guys and gals, not the firefox folk.