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Mass Migration/Bughunt For Thunderbird Tuesday
maggeth writes "mozillaZine is spreading the word of a plan to have a mass migration of users from other email clients on this coming Tuesday in order to find any remaining bugs in the migration process. 'Bring your Outlook, Eudora, Mozilla, Outlook Express, and Communicator e-mail clients with you and join us on IRC for a day of testing the Thunderbird migration features. The goal is to get as many testing migrations performed on as many clients and as many operating systems as possible and to discuss and record all the problems in Bugzilla.' Read the full article for more details and for the IRC location."
to import folders with a '/' in the name.
To lazy to jump through the hoops of bugzilla.
Sort of like Bug-Stock. A day-long festival of software, testing, and resolution.
Sort of like Woodstock, except without all the kick-ass music, sex, drugs and alcohol. Hmm...never mind.
Continual thought process in Doom3: "Where is the bad-guy going to pop up next? bullets be damned, I'm running out of clean shorts!"
If you plan to participate in this. Please remember to back up your email in case something goes wrong.
I've been hunting for a win32 email client that doesn't suck a bag of cocks. Anyone got any suggestions? I'd appreciate it a lot.
There you go.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Now i could be able to migrate from my webmail client Firefox to Thunderbird!
Thunderbird 0.7
It runs on win32 and doesn't suck a bag of cocks.
So I should switch from a fully functional, secure, fast, and stable email client (Outlook) to some pile of shit just because you are having a special day for it?
.exe attachment? Thank you.
While we test our pile of shit, could you please ask the maker of your fully functional secure fast and stable email client to disable the feature that sends me spam each time some script kiddy mails you an
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
This is fantastic. God I love Mozilla!
I might do the migration on the work machine from Eudora to Thunderbird.
I migrated from Eudora to Moz, to TBird, and it took some work back when I did it. But to bug test like this and try and get more people using TBird, is a great idea for sure.
I tried Thunderbird, but as a newsreader it sucked. Didn't handle multipart messages very well at all and had no support for YEncode (I don't care that it's not an official standard--it's a defacto standard which is extremely widely used and that's what counts). Without YEnc support, it's basically useless to me as a newsreader. It was also just too damned slow.
I love Firefox, though! Great browser. Small, fast, etc., etc. Thunderbird just needs some more work before it's really there, IMO.
Well, I have certainly had problems with the import facility in both Mozilla Mail and Thunderbird. I put up with the problems because I love the applications but at times they are a nuisance.
Importing csv or tab delimited files always seems very confusing compared to trying it in Outlook Express - I had to use OE recently as an intermediate step between getting email addresses from OS X to Thunderbird. (Importing directly from OS X would be really useful too.)
As an aside, if dragging and dropping addresses from addr. book onto Thunderbird's Send-To section, it works great except that dropping addresses onto a BCC field subsequently changes the 'next entry' field back to "To:" which is a nuisance.
Also, the scroll wheel seems to corrupt a long list of addresses entered in the 'Send-To' section.
I hope this is of some use to a developer somewhere!
Thanks.
Karma? Sorry, i don't believe in superstition. http://talk.thinkingmatters.org.nz
Rumor is that Thunderbird and Firefox are hidden away somewhere on the soon to be released version of TheOpenCD. This special edition (1.4.1) will be handed out to an unsuspecting public at 17 different locations around the world (and counting) on Software Freedom Day, August 28th along with a custom version of Knoppix. About 10.000 copies are being produced. The new edition might even be out by Tuesday ...
"I've been hunting for a win32 email client that doesn't suck a bag of cocks."
Whoah.. I didn't know Outlook could fit an entire bag of chickens in its mouth. How do I demo this?
"Derp de derp."
..we held a bug finding party and no one found any. Should you be upset or not?
Well, it has never been successfully tested.
Thunderbolt Thursday! Yeah!
It happens every Thursday in the summer.
Yup. Good times!
"While we test our pile of shit, could you please ask the maker of your fully functional secure fast and stable email client to disable the feature that sends me spam each time some script kiddy mails you an .exe attachment? Thank you."
.EXE.
;))
Sorry to suck the fun out of your witty comment here, but please don't confuse Outlook for Outlook Express. OL still has the occasional exploit, but it is nowhere near as bad as OLE. In all seriousness, with OLXP (released in 02 I think) you have to hack the registry to even get it to download an
(For the record, I did have a chuckle at this comment.
"Derp de derp."
It's a bug hunt man, a bug hunt!
And while I'm happy with it, the migration was impossible. Folders got corrupted and accounts got erased. Eventually, I just downloaded Eudora, imprted all my accounts and mail there, and then sent them to Thunderbird.
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It just blew my mind that Thunderbird has no option for importing a Netscape 4.x address book. WTF? I had to download Netscape 7 to convert the addressbook to LDIF and then import it into Thunderbird. Now that's just not right.
I checked the link, but I couldn't find an article anywhere. I'm hoping for your sake you do not mean the three lines of text between the screen-shots.
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Engineer 1 - "Hey, our new car may burst into flames if people try to drive it."
Engineer 2 - "I know... let's get as many people to drive it as possible so we can see what the problem is!"
Does it make you happy you're so strange?
I'm actually interested in reading the same e-mails on my dual-boot machine (windows + linux). It's very time consuming to have to switch to linux to find some important e-mail, because you have it in your linux e-mail client.
As mozilla is a cross platform application, it should be able to work with the same offline e-mails.. lets say stored in a fat32 partition, so we could write to it from linux as from windows.
Any suggestions how to do this?
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Get it here and PGP/GPG all your messages, at the very least start signing them.
I recently upgraded my computer from 98 to 2000 on another hard drive. Took me forever to figure out how to get my old email into Thunderbird on the new hard drive. Shouldn't this be just slightly easier?
Make me a friend and I'll mod you up
I'm not one to nitpick, but perhaps the reason you've been bombarded with spam is the fact that you freely post your email address without any sort of protection.
:)
For example.. lets say my address is monkey@asdfgbe.com. A bot would be able to pick this up in a heartbeat, (they use google, as well as search various news sites such as slashdot) and add me to a spam list. Now, had I chose monkey@@@asdfgbe.c o m, a spam script would have a problem parsing that as a real address, and it would be rejected. Do you get what I'm saying?
I also notice that your page has a direct link to another email address, you may want to append the same junk characters to that, to circumvent the junk email. You should check in the slashdot options under the comment section, and select "show your email address with random SPAM-armoring applied (this changes weekly)".
Mod me OT if you wish, I'm trying to help this guy understand the fundamentals of how some spam actually works.
Oh, and yes, thunderbird is the greatest.
put your mbox file into /var/mail/USERNAME
then set mozilla up to fetch from localhost
If only it could sync with Palm and/or PocketPC. I could get a lot more people to switch to it.
When you migrate Mozilla Mail users to Thunderbird.
When the hell will thunder bird actually start using this? That's my only problem with it. The only time I use it is when i'm on my power book. I use pine elsewhere.
-maz
<happiness>beer</happiness>
Thanks for all the suggestions, I'm looking through those sites now.
I wonder why my original post was modded flamebait; it was a genuine problem/question.
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Because most ppl people that would participate in this HAVE an irc client, if not, it's included in Mozilla anyway.
Mozilla and Thunderbird, and Netscape Communicator before that, all use the mbox mail format. What this means is that importing mail stored as mbox should be decently easy on all three of those. You might have to do some steps manually, but it'll work.
:)
However, I'm pretty sure they're wanting to test out the automated importers, which is all a consumer wants to use anyway
As always, remember to backup your emails before beta testing like this.
"Is this going to be a stand up fight or a bughunt?"
Thanks, asshat. Try "example.com" next time. That's what it's for.
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why do you think it takes so long to load?
Today's example comes from /. regular Kenshin with the mighty, mighty low ID of 43036! Here he tries to compare a volunteer software bug hunt with yet another deeply flawed automotive analogy. So let's get started and bring in some contestants from our studio audience to play....
FIND! THE! FALLACY!!!! <cue to commercial>
I don't want knowledge. I want certainty. - Law, David Bowie
Talk about preaching to the converted! And how is this going to work???
Geek - "Get rid of crappy Outlook. Come join us in a mass migration to Thunderbird!"
Marketing Droid - "Err, OK, what do I do?"
Geek - "Just join us on IRC channel #mozmigration on smug.geek.com"
Marketing Droid - "Err, yeah, right"
Talk about Oxymoronic. Of course, I can't RTFA coz it's slashdotted, so ignore the above if I'm missing something.
cLive ;-)
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Err....what? It can't import vCards from files? Ah. Migration over then for this season.
Bugzilla link here (they don't accept Slashdot as a referrer:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79709
And yes, that's me at the bottom of the report offering to help out if someone will talk me through the build process on OS X - I get nothing but errors trying to build Thunderbird.
Cheers,
Ian
I've been hunting for a win32 email client that doesn't suck a bag of cocks. Anyone got any suggestions? I'd appreciate it a lot.
I've tried Thunderbird and others, but am still staying with Eudora for now.
A few months ago, I started to write some sort of review/blog, pointing out some aspects of the mailers I tried. Never finished it really, but in case you find it useful: here it is
One word: searching. Searching in Outlook is so slow that it is completely useless if you have more than a few dozen emails and folders.
It's not 10 times slower than Eudora or Thunderbird, it's orders of magnitudes slower.
I'd migrate to Thunderbird in a second and take a lot of colleagues with me if only it would finally not crash when trying to import nontrivial amounts of email from Outlook (not Outlook Express). Thunderbird is fine up to a few thousand messages, but anyting larger gets you a never ending onslaught of error messages.
Just finished moving my mom to Thunderbird... from Mozilla mail. Some of the folders came from Kmail (standard unix mailbox format imported into Kmail from Outlook, it's a long story), and I used a CD to move them, meaning they had the read-only bit set without me realizing it (I forgot, sue me). Still, for reasons I cannot fathom, Mozilla Mail stopped displaying mail in about half the folders, even after clearing the read-only bit. The messages where there (I could see them in Thunderbird), they just didn't show up in Mozilla. I got everything working under Thunderbird, and tried copying over the Mail folder, no dice. Heck, on one of the folders I can see one message and nothing else. It's a real mess. At the momemt I've got her mail shortcut launching Thunderbird instead of Mozilla mail, but it really bugs me, since don't know if the mail is gonna stop working.
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what about us old os/2 guys? how do i convert my funky format pmmail folders to thunderbird? I can't be the only person still running PMMail (abeit under xp now).
....
still out in the cold
najay
If it is an IMAP server, you shouldn't have to do anything. point the new mail client to the server, your folders will all be there.
Importing with newer Netscape (and probably Mozilla) email clients involves manually copying files from one folder to another. It seems ridiculous.
i understand how spam works!!!!
but thunderbird works so well, i don't really need to apply spam armoring, i don't even apply spam armoring to slashdot.
spam armoring is more trouble than it's worth, now how the hell am i supposed to figureout your email address if it's "digtemail@@@email...com" WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? is it digtemail@email.com ?
and i don't want to use javascripts because way to many people use web mail, and the mailto: will just open a mail client they don't use.
besides that, i have fun with the "opt-out" sites, i wrote a script that generates random email addresses.
and Thunderbird really does STOP spam, not just filter it, if you read my article on my website, showed how to change the options of the preview plane, i bearly get any spam at all, thanks to thundebird, and the very little spam i do get, thunderbird usually filters.
All I can say is keep trying, Thunderbird truly is the bees knees as far as I'm concerned. Try updating whichever client you're using now to the latest version before doing an export/import.
Another thing that's worked for me in previous migrations (I've tried most of the big mail clients in my day) is to, for example, go from OE to Mozilla then to Thunderbird. Or whatever route works for you.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
New version means a new download, new uninstall and new install. I wish that Mozilla could check for updates and download just the applicable files.
Get a free ipod.
AFAIK there is no way to sort news items by date in descending order AND group by thread. If you click the "message threads" column heading, the threads are sorted by date in ascending order. If you then click the "date" column heading, the messages are sorted by date in descending order but threading is lost. Not a bug but very annoying :(
"Im skiing in France! Im flying a boat! Im turning tricks in Chad! Cheese dreams! Im off my ever loving tits!"
...gmail? I have no inclination of going back to the standard email clients. Come to think of it, neither do many of my friends. Every few days, I see the special message "Invite 3 friends to Gmail" and I do. For some reason, people are selling these things on eBay...for something in the range of $1-$5.[1] Selling three licenses for $15 + all of the hassles doesn't seem worth getting someone you know connected.
[1] That's a big tip for those yearning for a gmail account and don't want to wait until everyone else is on. Gmail seems to have taken the place of when I called the Internet "The world's biggest secret club." sometime in the late 80s/early 90s. But for a couple of bucks, I have several friends who aren't waiting for me to receive new invitations and have just hit the auctions. From what they have told me, impatience was getting to them. No shipping involved. Quick payment and an email invitation from the seller.
OK, I'm sorry, but you're an idiot.
spam armoring is more trouble than it's worth, now how the hell am i supposed to figureout your email address if it's "digtemail@@@email...com" WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? is it digtemail@email.com ?
Uh, yeah. Believe it or not, every single email address on the planet has the same general syntax, and anyone with working cognative ability would figure out that since all addresses have only one at symbol, the above would probably also only have one dot. You answered your own question, anyway, by CORRECTLY DECODING THE ADDRESS. Way to make an argument, smart guy.
and Thunderbird really does STOP spam, not just filter it, if you read my article on my website, showed how to change the options of the preview plane, i bearly get any spam at all, thanks to thundebird, and the very little spam i do get, thunderbird usually filters.
The mail is still being delivered to your mailserver and into your inbox. It is not 'stopped'. Retard. It's a fucking client. It does not run on your server rejecting connections. Learn the difference between a CLIENT-SIDE APPLICATION and a SERVER-SIDE DAEMON before you start typing. Also, while you're figuring that out, please learn to spell. I can "bearly" understand you.
Finally, thanks for being a piece of shit and helping to clog the fucking internet even more with spam by allowing harvesters to get your address.
Posted AC because I know some moderator with some sympathy for the dumbass will mod me down.
As I write this, there are 653 gmail auctions underway. It looks like people have gotten bored selling one-offs so they're creating vanity ids & selling those; e.g., "BillAndHillaryClinton@gmail.com".
n.b. I have nothing to gain from all of this, I'm just handing out information.
How about Thunderbird Windows to Thunderbird Linux?
.tgz. Leave out the "profile bits" like theme.
Why is there not a way to import Thunderbird mailboxes? You can try moving the profile by hand, and in doing so get a completely unusable email client.
I would like to "Export to archive", and giving the options for archive email folders [option to skip junk], address book, pop/smtp settings, Signatures, all to a *single*
This file should be importanble cross platofrm by all Thunderbird clients.
All it would take would be a single xml file to "describe" the contents of the tar file, where you have most [cross platform bits] of your profile directory.
Well if you already have Office 2k3 then Outlook is the best win32 client. None of the old virus problems, adequate spam-filtering, nice new design, and zero learning for most people since it is what most of us use at work.
Ok - now all the anti-Microsoft people who have never used Outlook 2k3 can bash me.
..are better off. Those who are using both firefox and thunderbird could probably be better off using mozilla seamonkey suit. Reasons being,
1. less memory usage. I have seen repeatedly mozilla seamonkey takes upto 6.2% of my 1GB ram, when mail, navigator and calendar are open. While I have seen firefox taking upto 6% by itself and thunderbird taking upto 4.2% by itself. These are after-a-while usage reports. I guess it's because of loading Gecko run time twice.
2. With seamonkey you get automatic mailto handling in navigator and http link handling in email client.
But, I understand it's easier to sell new names to new users than sell old name to new users.
Also, there are those who use either mozilla mail client or the mozilla browser.
Then there are others who argue that if thunderbird crashes their firefox instance won't crash and vice versa. This can happen with one single instance running. But, I guess we have come a long way from crashing mozilla. Atleast with mozilla 1.7 it's not a concern.
Until there are options to turn off this text markup and show me the email as it was received in plain ascii, it isn't worth my time. (And no, clicking "view as source" every time doesn't count.)
Pity, because otherwise it seems like a great email client. However it dropped the ball on the important "show the email" function and went straight to the bells and whistles that some of us don't want...
"spam armoring is more trouble than it's worth, now how the hell am i supposed to figureout your email address if it's "digtemail@@@email...com" WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? is it digtemail@email.com ?"
Um, yes. It's digtemail@email.com. Is that THAT hard to figure out? I mean, really. How much effort does it take? It's not like you're ever gonna get it wrong.
I'm half serious on this, actually. At some point I went all "eye candy" and I do most of my work with pretty GUIs and such. And I still have to open pine in a terminal window and it looks weird.
Have you got a direct link to the page that crashes Mozilla? I'm using Moz 1.7 (release version) and it's fine, it even displays very well - no overlapping text etc.
I am a big fan of Mozilla Firebird, and I am starting to play with Thunderbird. HOWEVER, what makes me hesitate using Thunderbird is that once you go to Thunderbird and if you don't like it you can't go back to your old program. Why? Because there is no export ability of your messages and address book, nor do any other major programs import these two items from Thunderbird. Please correct me if I am wrong as I would love to give Thunderbird a serious try.
Have you tried looking inside the Mail folder for the ".msf" file with the name of the affected mailbox (Example: the 'Inbox' folder has a mailbox file named Inbox and another file named 'Inbox.msf') then temporarily moving it out and restarting Mozilla Mail to see if it finally sees the message(s) ?
I guess I am. I accept that - After a clean install of 1.7.2 I was able to browse the site without any crashes. I take back my words. I guess dubya has no grudge against opensource or mozilla may be its just me.
No Sig for you.!
I migrated to from Outlook Express to Thunderbird about two months ago.
This was just after I migrated from MS IE to Firefox 0.9. The motive was the serious security issues with Microsoft products. I also installed OpenOffice.org 1.1.1 to run all FOSS applications.
Thunderbird did a fine job migrating. Of course, I started by backing up my mail folders to the home server. Thunderbird imported all my old mail without a problem, except that it fudged a "From " header for every message, with funny dates, such as the year 1969, ...etc.
It also migrated my account settings correctly and my address book. I was not concerned about the address book that much, since I back it up to Yahoo Address book anyway, and can retrieve it from there.
Now my email is in mbox format, and I back it up to the server where I can grep in it to find stuff (although it has CR/LF format, and not just NL). My email is not hostage to Microsoft format anymore.
Thunderbird functionality is OK, but my gripe is that it is bloated. Granted, my machine is a PII-300 128MB (I know, I know!), but still, I do not run Thunderbird all the time. Just when I need to check email, and when mutt on the server is not sufficient, and to periodically retrieve my POP mail and back it up.
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Are you using flashblock from mozdev.org ? I guess thats is the one causing the problem. I had similar experience. I just don't browse the gwb site anymore.
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Get the program Lookout for AMAZINGlY fast searching in Outlook. It's unbelievably fast...
http://www.lookoutsoft.com/
"Will I be able to automatically migrate from my old copy of Pine?"
I had already finished a relatively brainless and trouble-free "migration" from Outlook to Thunderbird, and because Thunderbird stores mail using standard mbox format, I had little trouble moving from Thunderbird to mutt. If you're using Pine, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to alternate between Pine and Thunderbird as you see fit.
Personally, I don't see what the fuss is about, but if this helps the folks at Thunderbird work out little bugs, great. On the other hand, it's a fair comment that even a nifty GUI client like Thunderbird by design will lack features found in infinitely configurable console programs like pine or mutt. I doubt that's an issue for the average joe, but subscribe to a few high-volume mailing lists (or any advertising-laden mailing list like those found in Yahoo groups), you might find yourself increasingly frustrated using Thunderbird.
In both situations, people are getting end-users to do the testing for them. Only it's not very likely for you to die a fiery death if Thunderbird crashes...unless it's a Ford Thunderbird :)
Good idea, but I'd like to take it a step further and make a "Browse to Profile" button so when I have a dual boot machine I can mount the Windows partition and use the same profile for both installs.
"I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
I tried that on my laptop. Found I set Thunderbird to the default email client, and it needed Outlook as the default email client in order to migrate.
The Outlook Calendar, Tasks, and Notes apparently did not migrate. I do not think that Thunderbird has support for those yet. Which leaves me stuck between using Thunderbird and Outlook.
Also missing in Thunderbird is the virus vault feature of AVG Antivirus, which works with Outlook, but has no support for Thunderbird.
Also missing was the Intergration or synching with my Cell Phone, PalmOS device, and iPaq, I fond Thunderbird was missing these as well.
Also missing was integration with my Timex Datalink watch, no support for that either.
Thunderbird was not able to migrate accounts I use in Hotmail with Outlook XP(2002). I heard there may be an external program for that to convert Hotmail into POP3, but from what I read of it, it was still in beta and not properly tested.
GPG using Engimail or whatever it was called, did not work properly. I am not sure what went wrong, but I am unable to encrypt and decrypt messages. I cannot get GPG working with Outlook either, and I have to fall back to PGP. I have the latest version of GPG, but it says it cannot find my private keys, despite me loading them, and creating a new one just in case, it still reports they are missing. Fbog! I think this is more of a GPG problem than a Thunderbird one.
Should I ever decide to read/write a MS-Exchange account, will Thunderbird ever support that?
Thunderbird junk mail treats each account seperately. I use Spambayes with Outlook which learns from all the email accounts and can filter spam on account B by learning from account A.
Also the email rules only work on one email account, I have to create duplicate rules for each email account (I have four POP3/SMTP accounts) to filter mail just right. Also I am confused as to what SMTP server it uses to send mail. I am not yet sure how to pick one, it seems to use the same SMTP server for each account, this may be seen as possible Spam by Spam filters, until I can figure it out.
So I am stuck with Outlook until Thunderbird can properly address these issues.
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Yah yah that one is simple, but some people like to put up crap like
"Take the third sentence from the second paragraph of the GettysBurg Address, ROT14 the first half, and ROT12 the second half, then subtract out every second "A", clip off what should "obviously" not be there, and email!"
Damn I hate people who do that.
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Something I've noticed in trying to install on others' computers is that you can import mail, prefs, etc from many other clients... except Mozilla Mail. What's up with that?
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a youtube comments section scrolling - forever.
Everyone in the office loves FireFox and Thunderbird. But, we absolutely cannot use Thunderbird. Most of our clients work in MS Exchange-Outlook environments and whenever they make an attachment it shows up on our end as a file named "Part 1.2".
We can use Fentun to convert the file, usually, but that gets very old very quickly if you get several of them a day.
I've been told this is a Microsoft RTF encoding problem, but they are not going to fix it. Until Mozilla gets this "bug" resolved we'll never convert.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Well to start with it appears that there no way to move several years of Pegasus data into Thunderbird. In terms of features, it seems to have less than Pegasus, as well as lacking some things that I would really like - such as an integrated hot-syncable calendar and easy filter setup. (which I admit Eudora does pretty well).
My guess is that Thunderbird will eventually approach the feature set that is available elsewhere, and I may move over to a Firefox/Thunderbird combo, but it'll be a while yet.
Three Squirrels
In order for Thunderbird to be something it is going to have to do something very well that no other mail client does.
I suggest full, complete, and amazing integration with GPG/PGP. In such a way that *every* user can make use of it. I'm talking "as a part of the intro wizard"-easy.
I like how you're comfortable with the occasional exploit, as if "being better than Outlook Express" were a redeeming quality.
AKA: get a real mail server
"I like how you're comfortable with the occasional exploit..."
;)
It's worth mentioning that Linux and Mozilla have occasional exploits as well.
"... as if "being better than Outlook Express" were a redeeming quality."
In a sense, it is. If anybody here actually used Outlook >2000 next to OE, they'd understand the drag OE's had on OL's reputation. Just like how a bunch of dumbasses here don't know the difference between Windows 98 and Windows 2000 and tee hee hoddle haw at every stale BSOD joke.
So you'll pardon me if I don't take any real offense to your comment. If your opinion of any given software is based mostly on Slashdot stereotypes, then you're not in much of a position to take pokes at somebody who rises to its defense.
"Derp de derp."
Users stick to Outlook because of the Outlook Calendar in many cases.
"Sunbird" just sucks ass.
Where are the plans to address this and create a triumphant calendar component?
I've switched a few users over - but they all complain about how much better the Outlook calendar is. At least with Outlook they can send/receive invitations and add them to the calendar easier.
I can't migrate my users from Outlook to Tbird because (among other things) Outlook can tell you who you replied or forwarded the email to and when; Tbird/IMAP can only say "replied". Duh yeah, good audit trail.
Not quite ready for prime time business use yet.
And of course you import the mail and leave behind the calendar (linked to the mail), the notes (linked to the mail), the diary (linked to the mail)... hmm, I don't think they'll go for it.
I use it myself & love it, don't get me wrong. But for business use, it's not quite there yet.
-- ST
I too have had errors migrating from both Outlook and Outlook Express. I plan to be part of this bash.
Also, when importing from Outlook it would be nice to be able to integrate, instead of keeping the Outlook Address Book and mail folders separate from the native T-Bird ones. I want migrate and dump Outlook. Why do I need two separate trees within Thunderbird?
No it isn't. Linux isn't an email client, and one isn't occasional.
Again, no it's not redeeming.
There are 11 types of people in the world: those who can count in binary, and those who can't.
"Again, no it's not redeeming."
I meant in the sense that it didn't earn that reputation to begin with. Differentiating the two makes a big difference when the percpetion is ill-defined.
"Derp de derp."
Okay, after deleting the As I get
Frankly, I'm stumped. Wanna give a hint about the "obvious" part?
There are 11 types of people in the world: those who can count in binary, and those who can't.
The one thing that OE does really well is lets you setup your accounts/identities in a very logical manner.
Thunderbird was really close but not quite there last time I checked. I'll try again though.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
I missed painfully an option to import mails and settings from Mozilla Mail. But there was no such option. You have to copy the data manually and change the config file with an text editor.
I use Firefox for browsing of course, and I keep checking and trying the various Mozilla.org mail/news client releases, but so far nothing touches Mulberry for ease of use and functionality with my IMAP mail stores.
Oops, that was supposed to be tell it TO Mulberry :)
Thunderbird stores messages / folders in mbox format which is used by a bunch of other clients. Instead of moving the mail directory multiple times, move it to a place where all the mail clients you use can read/write to. I have mail clients set up on multiple machines which use the same mail directory on a remotely share/export/partition (external USB drive in my case).
In thunderbird, Tools > Account Settings > Server Settings (for each account) > Local Settings
Change that value to the share/export/partition and your mail goes with you everywhere you go.
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After reading your article, you missed one major thing. Even if you have it set up for "don't load remote images" and "no Javascript", you will still get spam. When spammers send spam, they do actually check for bounces. If it bounces, they usually take you off the list. If the spam doesn't bounce, they know you're account is a good one and will keep you on the list even if they have no other feedback that you actually opened the email.
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I'll second that! That is one feature that is sorely needed. Ditto for the browser. Fortunately, I set up an IMAP server down at work so at least the messages are the same between the two boots. But I still have to replicate the Filter Rules between both Thunderbirds. Very annoying.
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While we're at it, Firefox could do with that option too. Burried deep within the settings dialog would be fine, since most people won't need to use it.
That would be ideal for me too, since I mainly use Firefox on Solaris at work, and sometimes on a Windows box where I can mount my Solaris home dir via Samba.
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That aside, Outlook has itself responsible for a vast number of virus epidemics, due to its low default security settings which Home User #53452 has insufficient knowledge to change.
I've been doing this for some time now (IMAP, Squid, Thunderbird, SquirrelMail).
Only one problem though. I am yet to work out a way to have my address book shared between Thunderbird and SquirrelMail. Does anyone have any ideas on this? Ideally pine could join in on the shared address book action too, but that's not overly unnecessary.