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Justice Dept. Raids Homes of File Swappers
Cryofan writes "Reuters is reporting that the Justice Dept. has
raided the homes of 5 people in several states for trading music on p2p networks. The traders were, however, not arrested. 'P2P does not stand for 'permission to pilfer,' Ashcroft said. The Reuters story says that the 5 'were people operating hubs in a file-sharing network based on Direct Connect software,' and who had provided between 'one and 100 gigabytes of material to trade, or up to 250,000 songs.' 'They are clearly directing and operating an enterprise which countenances illegal activity and makes as a condition of membership the willingness to make available material to be stolen,' said Ashcroft."
I thought it meant pleased 2 plunder!
Each of the five hubs contained 40 petabytes of data, the equivalent of 60,000 movies or 10.5 million songs, Ashcroft said.
In order to join the network, members had to promise to provide between one and 100 gigabytes of material to trade, or up to 250,000 songs, Ashcroft said.
200 petabytes of songs and movies! Pretty amazing.
I wonder if the RIAA will ask the feds to turn over all of the involved parties and I wonder if the feds would do it if asked.
Or maybe they are too busy since they just sued a bunch more customers....
The Recording Industry Association of America on Wednesday announced it had sued another 744 individuals and refiled suits against 152 others who had ignored or declined offers to settle.
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... like go after terrorists?
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"Thank you, Master Control"
-Sark and the MCP
how is 100 gigabytes of music 250,000 songs?
Wow, actually it sounds like they are starting to target the correct people. Good.
Fantasy remains a human right; we make in our measure and in our derivative mode... -- JRR Tolkien
Isn't that enough to hold damn near the entirety of songs/movies ever made?
You know how it goes.
Long story short, so long as the letter of the law has you down, the best route is to change the letter of the law. Whilst minor fixes here and there can suffice in the short run, I've long wondered if there are any moral/philosophical arguments against copyright (communist "Property is theft" notwithstanding) as a whole. Lately, the practical nature of it as a boon for innovation has been falling short and shown to be a bane in certain instances, but there really ought to be a general argument against the entire concept.
I'm just too lazy to develop one.
After I have received the wisdom of good teaching, I will untiringly teach all people. - The Teachings of Buddha
100 GB, huh? Sounds pretty good. Link?
Dragging people kicking and screaming into reality since 1996.
Isn't that what happens to people who wear fur?
"You know Myra, some people might think you're cute. But me, I think you're one very large baked potato."
enforcement arm of the RIAA, MPAA, and whomever else has the cash to bully people around.
under what penalty of law? last i heard copying things (download) never got anyone in trouble... now sharing on the other hand, is still a civil matter. (but selling is an FBI matter).
Peta, not Penta.
Direct Connect, for the three or four of you that don't already know, doesn't work like Napster or KaZaA. The hubs are sometimes public, but in these cases admission to the hub required you to share your own collection for free as well. So the hub owners are not only sharing music with a select membership, they require their members to share large amounts of music as well.
They were copying, trading, and encouraging others to do the same in large quantities. I don't like seeing people's hard drives raided for any reason, but it's pretty clear these five folks didn't have a leg to stand on.
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...who has a friggin PENTABYTE??
Ah, the irony.
The RIAA obviously took it seriously when pople said that they would go underground after they started to sue the Kazaa crowd. This is a show of force when they can bring in the feds to help in their cause. Now that the feds are in on the big ones, how long until they start to move on the little guys?
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I have serious trouble filling a 10th of an iPod with music I can stand.
Its seriously sad that these people are just massing huge collections of crap to trade simply for the purpose of being "in the club" what a waste.
It if were all porn that would be unerstandable, but just music and movies? Come on people.
He who knows not and knows he knows not is a wise man. He who knows not and knows not he knows not is a fool.
Hey, am I the only one who saw that go by?
.. two full boxes here to hit a measley 900GB, .9 of a TB, or .0009 of a PENTABYTE.
I don't know how big of an enclosure you'd need to house even ONE PENTABYTE of storage, but considering that it's 1000 times a TERABYTE, and I've got
I can't believe nobody over there is clueful enough to have corrected PB to TB.. I -might- believe 40TB. Maybe.. Probably not...
So quit your job, pack your bags, and move on out to snow country!
What a way with words he has! Between that and 'Let the Eagle Soar', I say we have a strong candidate for the next national poet!
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
-- Pablo Picasso
All the easier to cast doubt during whatever trial occurs.
"Initial reports filed by the state claimed that the defendents were each serving 40 pentabytes of pirated content for illegal download. After being raided, seized computers were shown to only have several hundred gigabytes of storage. The capacity of the computers siezed was more than 1 million times less than that claimed by the state. The state used clearly false information to procure the warrents for the search... how can we trust any of the information gathered by the state when such a fundamental error occured in their investigation..."
'P2P does not stand for 'permission to pilfer,' Ashcroft said
:-P
No, it stands for Peer To Peer, which is unrelated to piracy.
I dunno, but that quote sounded like Ashcroft was thinking P2P = Piracy To People or something like that.
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When your running a P2P music sharing greater than that of iTunes and you think no one is going to come knocking?
10 million songs, 60k in movies, what did they think would happen they would be vaulted to underground geek martyrdom?
Times like these are when running a diskless server really pays off. Sure, you're limited in the amount of storage that can be made available over p2p, but when they seize your server, there's no evidence whatsoever.
Just imagine the news story for that one: "Teenage File Trader's Computer Seized by FBI, Exercise in Futility"
Starting way back when the record companies were giving grief to the original Napster, many Slashdotters and like-minded folks were questioning the record company's authority to involve themselves in such matters, and said that if Napster was breaking the law, then the feds should get involved.
And then they did.
When harrassment of the P2P companies by both the government and private enterprises became more commonplace, many Slashdotters and like-minded folks said that the P2P companies weren't responsible for the actions of their users, and that the record companies should go after the users themselves.
And then they did.
When the record companies started suing the "whales" of the P2P world (those who were sharing sufficient amount of content to nudge into the territory of criminal, rather than civil law), many Slashdotters and like-minded folks claimed that if it really was criminal territory, then the record companies should stop picking on the pirates, and let the government handle it.
And now the government is doing just that.
Sitting in my day care, the art is decopainted.
Come on.. who has a friggin PENTABYTE
er... no-one? unless you have?
If you're looking for a petabyte, it's 1000 terabytes (or possibly 1024, depending who you ask).
But you're right, that is some real hardware. I can't see any private individuals having that much at this point. At a minimum, that kind of storage is going to be costing in the region of $100,000 dollars.
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing; those who count the votes decide everything." (attrib. Joseph Stalin)
Check earlier in the day and you'll find this lovely quote explaining everything, "...pentabytes are the new, arbitrary metric of the evil, satanic file-sharing people."
To be a little more technical, I think it's somewhere between a crap byte and a fuck byte, 500-1000 shit bytes, IIRC.
I bet he thinks he's so clever. However I find this story a little strange, the article claims that the five hubs each contained 40 petabytes (7200 Libraries of Congress) which at my count is about 160,000 250GB hard drives. That's ~$26m worth of hard drives per hub. The article is written in such a way to suggest these five hubs were run by people in their basements while the supposed retail value of their setups is anything but basementable.
I guess this shouldn't be surprising though. It is a well known fact al-Qaeda is trying to topple the American government by supporting music piracy over the internet. The RIAA member companies are practically bankrupt from their tremendous losses due to piracy. They're such excellent role models for young people, persevering in the face of such insurmountable odds. The movie industry is soon to be entirely out of business from online trading of hits like Gigli. I feel really bad for those gaffers that only make $250,000 a year that can barely make ends meet because someone downloaded a movie.
I'm a loner Dottie, a Rebel.
Now wait a second. Look at THIS, the Internet Archive's 'PETABOX'.
They found 200 of these?? Who's got their terminology wrong.
So quit your job, pack your bags, and move on out to snow country!
This is an extremely disturbing development, seeing as these folks are not guilty of a crime, merely a civil offense. An egregious and large-scale civil offense, to be sure, but a civil offense nonetheless. Which is why there were no arrests. So why is the Justice Department involved?
Oh that's right...I forgot. Herr Reichsmarshall Ashcroft IS the law.
Boycott everything - they're all trying to fuck you one way or another
If I have a to do list of:
1. Get heart surgery done.
and 2. Pick up laundry.
I tend to prioritize the first one.
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In fact, I have millions of them! Pentabyte = 5 bytes, right?
Last time I priced it SAN storage was about $2,500 a TB so that makes 1PetaByte 1024*$2,500 or about 2.56 MILLION bucks. Not to mention the floorspace and the power bill for the A/C and the drives. Those guys must have been some fatcat file swappers. There are large companies that don't have that much storage!
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I'm not sure what to think about these raids. For those of you who don't know what direct connect is, it's not like KaZaA.
The client connects to a server (there are many), and then can share files and chat with people on that server. The server does not actually have any files; they come from the clients.
In essence, each server acts like a mini-KaZaA, and judging from the recent Grokster rulings, would mean that they aren't liable for anything. So, basically it means this is just more FUD coming from Ashcroft.
Although the operators weren't arrested, they probably won't see their equipment back for a long time. I guess that is the Justice Dept.'s way of dishing out justice when the law doesn't fit whoever is paying them off's will.
Only in USA. :-)
Not just one, but 5 places with 40 PETABYTES, EACH?!?!
Uhm okay math time....
1 Petabyte = 1024 Terabtyes
1 Terabyte = 1024 Gigabytes
So 40 Petabytes = 41,923,040 GB
41,923,040 GB / 300 GB per drive (generous assumption) = 139,744 drives per node!
5 nodes means 558,976 drives in use in total. Half a million 300 GB IDE drives?
I can think of a few places with petabyte arrays, this is not one of them I think.
Some simple math. This is assuming these people paid for the hardware and didn't just hijack a few 18-wheeler shipments from Maxtor.
139,744 300GB HDs * $157.5 (Knock 30% off for a volume discount from lowest price online of $225) = $22,009,680 in sunk capital in drives alone per node!
Or in total this means $110,048,400 spent on just HARD DRIVES ALONE. This doesnt even begin to include costs for enclosures or anything else.
So who the fuck are these "people"? These numbers are ether TOTALLY WRONG AND FASLEIFIED or they busted some kind of massively well funded organization?
(And no, I haven't even read the article yet but if those numbers are wha they said I stand by this)
Hey Ashcroft, WHERE'S OSAMA?
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Doesn't the justice department have more important things to do then worry about some stupid copyright infringement, which is a f-ing CIVIL manner anyway?
How about like protecting us from being blown up by the next wave of attacks....?
Where has their priorities gone? This is insane
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Could it be that they are referring to the total amount accessible from each hub? Since many computers can connect at a time you would need something like 400,000 computers sharing 100GB each to be connected to make the "hub" have 40PB?
Ok guys lets see, we've got a methlab, 3 gangs, 2 car shops, a money printing racket oh and some kid named 1337m4st0r with 200,000 songs on kazaa, ok lets move it!
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How long do you think he spent in front of the mirror practicing that?
I should buy some cement.
I know it's been said before, but I feel realy crappy when our citizens get raided and China (the government) gets to pirate anything it wants. How do we reward a country that RIAA and MPAA should really go after (not to mention human rights issues) we give them the olympics. okay, sorry, back on the topic - this is bad, how long before any email with a copyrighted song, any newsgroup post with a copyrighted picture or anything else someone could dream of land normal people in jail. With flagrant abuses of the patriot act and federal wiretaps becoming an issue who knows what may happen. BTW - I though a song that is over 25 years old is public domain, why does Mikey Jackson own the rights to the beatles songs, they should be public domain.
Guys,
I dont' think you understand the way these hubs work. Basically, if you have a certain amount of data, you connect, and your data is added to a large pool of data (everyone's files). This means the owner of the hub doesn't host all the files, it's the users that are connecting to the hub that own the files (and as such, the hardware). It certainly is possible that several thousand users are connecting to the hub, and are sharing their files. This could easily add up to quite large numbers, without needing a million harddrives in one server/cluster.
A wee lesson, brought to you by.. me.
It's peTa, not peNTa!!!
It goes like this: kilo, mega, giga, tera, peta, exa.
So, you wanna give free rein to thieves while we're chasing terrorists?
I don't care what you may believe ought to happen, explain to me why you think people who steal things ought not to be punished?
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
Ok, so these 5 people each hosted around "40 petabytes of data, the equivalent of 60,000 movies or 10.5 million songs" each, and made them readily available internationally via the Internet. Maybe these records companies and movie studios, with their vast resources, could learn a thing or two about delivering content.
Seriously, a bunch of amateurs can make 10.5 million songs available but the **AA's can't ??? Maybe the RIAA should steal the technology and user base and call it even.
"Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech."--Benjamin Franklin
makes as a condition of membership the willingness to make available material to be stolen
Material to be "stolen", eh? Nobody's stealing stuff from me if I offer it up online for them to take. Makes as much sense as "Officer, my house was burgled after I swung open the door and yelled 'please burgle my house'". It's only indirect theft from the record companies as well. If I broke into someone's flat and pinched all their CDs, I wouldn't be stealing from the record company, I'd be stealing from whoever I just robbed. I wouldn't be making any money from the action either, so it's not like the record company is watching money that should go to them go somewhere else, all they're watching is money not go anywhere at all, and they don't like that.
Music has to come from somewhere. Currently it's coming out of record companies, who are consistently saying "how the hell do we create an audio track that people can listen to without being able to copy it". This is a pipedream. If you can listen to it and it's on a shiney disc, it MUST go through a DAC at some stage, and that's where your entry point as a copier is. Even with a decent analog system you can make a perfectly fine copy just off the line out.
If you download a copy of something, rest assured that at least someone somewhere must have bought it. Perhaps now the best thing for the record companies to do is auction off one single original copy of an album with bidding starting at six million dollars, wait for a community of fans to get the funds together and buy it, then watch it spread across the net, safe in the knowledge that they got a guaranteed six million dollars from an album before anyone had even heard it.
for whatever you'd downloaded. Beyond that, they could use server logs from the services you've been downloading from. Also, if you turn the computer off, you run the risk of being charged with evidence tampering. If you don't, they'll just hook up a ups and away they go. Somebody told me that's why Cray's are so expensive: they're diskless so you can't turn them off (without going through hell to bring them back up).
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I am so glad that you are taking time off your busy schedule of raping the public's personal freedoms to further the cause of rapacious corporate greed while 14% of the nation lives under the poverty line.
Yours Truly
The RIAA and the MPAA
All those faked shares make the propaganda that much better.
the police will do nothing, because I am not a wealthy man. This happened to my brother. His apartment was robbed. The criminal was caught only because the apartment manager inspected the crook's apartment and found some of my brother's music cassettes (his own recordings, he's a musician, so there really wasn't any doubt). The man responisble was arrested and promply released. He was still living next door when my brother moved out of those apartments. There's no room in America's prisons for people who victimize the poor.
My definition of "theft" is something physically taken. This is also yours, if you live in the United States and choose to be bound by our laws. For what I hope is the last time, copyright infringement is _not_ theft.
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File swappers -- even if guilty of infingement -- are NOT stealing. Period.
All data is speech. All speech is Free.
Easy to achieve if you look at shared storage. 10 users with 10mb = 100mb of shared storage.
Sharereactor (may you rest in peace) had how many 1000pb of 'shared resources' in their network?
That number of the website was amazing
members are seeing something, your seeing an ad
lower the threat level to blue now?
Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
>Each of the five hubs contained 40 petabytes of data, the equivalent of 60,000 movies or 10.5 million songs, Ashcroft said.
Does Ashcroft really expect me to believe there are 60,000 distinct movies on that network? Netflix only has 25,000 movies. I suspect they counted the number of COPIES of movies in the whole network. Ashcroft loves to mislead people, doesn't he? Why does he feel the need to inflate the numbers if his goal were upholding the law? Who signs his paycheck, anyway?
you still are taking away the right of the distributor to choose how its work can be disseminated through public channels.
And if I don't believe they should have absolute control of this?
[Intellectual property] is a necessary law
Again, I don't agree with this; it's only necessary for those who want to squeeze money from ideas or art.
I also don't think you can compare laws which are designed to prevent physical injury with those which are designed to allow monopolies.
There is something quite wrong about their figures.
The ratio of video to audio size seems about right: 1 movie = 175 songs. So that would be about right for 700 MB Divx movies and 4 MB mp3s.
However, based on those rates the number of movies or songs they list would only add up to 40 TB.
Looks like somebody got mixed up between petabyte and terabyte.
News sources should really have some people to double check their math before publishing an article.
I had some unexpected visitors...something about p2p or something...I told them I wasn't interested.
"Today's enforcement action is the latest step in our ongoing effort to combat piracy occurring on the Internet," said Christopher A. Wray, Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division. "This is the first federal law enforcement action against criminal copyright infringement using peer-to-peer networks and shows that we are committed to combating piracy, regardless of the medium used to commit these illegal acts."
"Today we are sending a clear message that federal law enforcement takes piracy seriously," said U.S. Attorney Kenneth L. Wainstein. "It is illegal to trade in copyright-protected materials on the Internet. This is theft, plain and simple. If you are engaged in this behavior, you are on notice that you are not as anonymous as you may think."
Is copyright 'enforcement' a civil matter or not? I don't get the whole 'arbitrary enforcement' thing the DOJ is doing.
No arrests - just confiscating your stuff.
Vote.
I'm sure that they don't arrest A SINGLE TERRORIST, A SINGLE PEDOPHILE, A SINGLE IDENTITY THIEF while they target piracy.
Terrorism arrest, Last week
Pedophile arrest, Two Tuesdays ago
Identity theft arrest, Posted 12 hours ago
Running wild and unchecked, indeed. Just because they don't post stories about terrorism arrests, pedophile arrests, and identity theft arrests on Slashdot doesn't mean they aren't going on.
In short: you are ignorant.
evil adrian
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42,949,672,960 megabytes / 60,000 movies = 715,827.883 megabytes per movie, or 699.050667 gigabytes per movie.
All math for this comment was done using the all-powerful web interface to the god Google using its conversion feature, i.e., "40 petabytes in gigabytes" don't believe me? try it for yourself
Your comment might be construed as saying "Ashcroft may be a bad guy, but he's not Catholic", implying that being Catholic would make him somehow worse.
Was that your intention?
No, it wasn't his intention, it was because the great-grandparent referred to the Witch-Finder General as "Pope Ashcroft".
You didn't read closely enough, and the grandparent, failing to understand that "Pope" was a metaphorical allusion to theocracy and not a factual statement about Ashcroft's religion (Ashcroft is Pentecostal) was trying to "correct" the great-grandparent poster.
Now both you and the grandparent poster take deep breaths.
Opinions on the Twiddler2 hand-held keyboard?
Untits, people, units!
It is Petabyte and the 'pb' somebody further on uses would be a "pico bit", i.e. 1/1000000000000 of a bit.
Here is a reference for those without clue about SI prefixes: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/prefixes.html
Just because the media has no clue is no excuse to do it wrong.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Considering the "pentabyte" thing, I wouldn't be suprised if this was just an iditot reporter who doesn't have a techy bone in his body.
Especially so because there is no such SI prefix. It is "petabyte".
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
These people were operating DC hubs, not sharing the 40PB themselves. If you know nothing about DC then at least learn this: It's used a LOT at colleges that have lots of rich computer-savvy people. I know several people sharing over a terabyte a piece. 40PB for each hub is quite a lot, but I've seen people share even more than a terabyte. A lot of the kids at these colleges (the person in the room next to me) would do nothing else but collect stuff to share to others.
He wouldn't even watch it.
Three years ago, he had 1.5 terabytes shared. I don't imagine that it's that hard to get up to 3 or 4 terabytes a person. Now, you'd need 10,000 people doing that. Yes, that's a lot. Perhaps they meant 4 petabytes combined, which I actually would NOT doubt at all. 5 hubs, that's 8 petabytes per hub. 2,000 people sharing 4 terabytes.. Still quite high, but some will share more, some less. Mandatory minimum of 1-100 gigs.. if you say the min is 100 gigs, and the program automatically re-shares whatever you download, that'll get up there very quickly.
I've only skimmed the article, nothing said where these people were. But it really wouldn't surprise me. (I know the DC hub at RIT would allow RIT people on, and people from a few other I2 institutions nearby. I didn't go to RIT, and I didn't go to those other institutions, but I wouldn't doubt if they were well over 10PB.)
Actually, many jurisdictions, under the leadership of the model penal code, have eliminated the separate offenses of lacreny, embezzlement, theft by fraud, unlawful posession, etc. and incorporated them all into an offense called... wait for it... theft.
In fact, the MPC even has a section explicitly stating that all the crimes are now called theft. It probably reads word for word (this is from the PA statutes, much of which is word for word identical to the MPC):
"Conduct denominated theft in this chapter constitutes a single offense. An accusation of theft may be supported by evidence that it was committed in any manner that would be theft under this chapter, notwithstanding the specification of a different manner in the complaint or indictment, subject only to the power of the court to ensure fair trial by granting a continuance or other appropriate relief where the conduct of the defense would be prejudiced by lack of fair notice or by surprise."
The DC (neo-modus)P2P network currently shares around 1 perabyte of data...
http://neo-modus.com/
still not sure where this pentabyte thing came from though...
(but I also did not RTFA)
"why don't you just slip into something more comfortable...like a coma!"
It's an election year.
Ashcroft wants to keep his job.
Hyped up misinfo like this is good PR for a politician, and better PR when considered from the standpoint of a news editor who needs to ensure exposure.
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I'll let you draw your own conclusions about any relationships between those three facts. Hint: "We're doing something about (insert crime here)" is *always* good copy and rarely double-checked for factual content.
SB
It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
Pentabytes? Some of that satanic shit like Pentagrams and calico cats! Devil worship I tells ya! Thank the Lawaaaard for John Ashcroft!
How ya like dat?
"But you DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE IT."
Really, says who... you? The law? I'd guess your arguement as to why copyright infrindgement is immoral really should be longer than a single sentence to be compelling.
Let's not forget that copyright property is a state-sponsored temporary monopoly which creates a scarcity which does not correspond to any state in reality. No such scarcity exists or would exist except as created by law. If these idea monopolists get to uppity, as I see they have been doing, it is then time to change the law.
3dinfo@maficstudios.com
No.
One petabyte = 10^15 bytes.
1MB = 10^6 bytes 4000MB = 40 * 10^6 * 10^ 3 = 4 * 10 ^ 10
10.5M songs = 10.5 * 10^6 = 1.05 * 10^7
40 * 10^15 (40PB) = 4 * 10 ^ 16 bytes
(40 * 10^16)bytes / (1.05 * 10^7)songs ~ 4 x 10^(16-7) bytes/song = 4 x 10 ^ 9 = 4 megabytes per song
Pentabyte? Penta means 5, so I guess since I have 160 GB Hd space on my computer, I have 32 billion pentabytes of hard disk space.
we must allso not forget that the direct connect hubs often set a limit on how low a share you can have before you enter. some people i know use special files that have messed up entrys so that they take up maybe 1 byte in the filesystem but report their size to be maybe 10GB or more. and you all know about the classical "my dick is bigger then your dick" contests. most likley the hubs didnt run a bot that scanned the share lists for bogus files.
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That very well could be. The 'signin' nature of it is just ripe for this sort of legal problem.
members are seeing something, your seeing an ad
You are adding an N to a word that does not have one. Petabyte is correct. It has nothing to do with the Pentium or anything Pent
I'm sure they meant GigaBytes. But hey, it's not that big a mistake. They were only off by a factor of A MILLION. No big deal.
And the l33t shall inherit the 34r7h.
Ok, I've waited long enough. Here is my suggestion.
People are used to being entertained for free. For example flip on the radio out pops music, didnt cost me a dime. TV, same thing. Who pays for this?
Advertisers!
Companies, get a clue. Buy some songs, add a 5 second clip and release it to the public.
Sure a lot of people would strip the add but most probably would'nt especially if it made it legal and was kept short.
Like "Garth Brooks singing I've got friends in low places brought to you by the law firm of..." well you get the idea.
Yeah, cause they were all petaphiles
"Unheard of means only it's undreamed of yet,
Impossible means not yet done." ~~ Julia Ecklar
Well, I guess there is no coincidence that http://www.suprnova.org is unreachable.
I'm seeding about 9GB of non-commercial, freely-distributed game mods to Gnutella (custom user-made maps for UT2004, Doom3, etc).
Every time I see one of these reports I get nervous thinking that they'll come busting my door down on the mistaken idea that because of the bandwidth I'm using that I must be swapping illegal content.
Of course, I have nothing to worry about, but the abuse of power is disgusting and there are much more important things in our country that need attending to.
Yeah. With all the hard drug dealers, murderers, hard property thieves, rapists, carjackers, and smugglers in the world, I really want my tax dollars going towards raiding some nerds house.
It's fucking file sharing. Anyone who is seriously passionate about this and seriously thinks all the money spent on this is worth it has a serious problem with perspective.
It's been a long time.
so that makes 1PetaByte 1024*$2,500 or about 2.56 MILLION bucks
:).
Actually I'd be willing to start for a measely 2 Million
Directconnect hubs generally have far fewer machines than that.
It's been a long time.
This is Ashcroft. Don't you mean Terrorbyte?
This is the same old argument that comes up, typically in piracy raid articles, where someone states "with all the $crime1 and $crime2 going on, I really want this happening!" Its faults are as follows:
1.) Laws are meant to be enforced. They were enforcing the law. If a law will not be enforced, why have the law?
2.) The argument assumes organizations are one-track minds that only operate on one task at a time. This is like saying "with all the desktop work that needs to be done, do we really need Linux kernel hackers writing more drivers for arcane hardware?" The illogic in the statement is obvious. Simply because a piracy raid took place does not mean 100% of all money and 100% of all resources were utilized in the execution of this one, single raid. The argument is a convenient dismission meant to distract the issue from the event that took place to some imagined flaw in the process of the organization--thereby shifting the label of wrongdoer from the guilty pirates to the guilty law enforcers.
Note that this flawed argument is also often used against Microsoft. "With all the security flaws out there, it's good to know they were working hard on a new version of Encarta!" The statement ignores that Microsoft is a multi-tiered organization made of several dozens of software groups.
3.) It's a distraction from the fact that what the people were doing was illegal and inethical. The law caught up with them.
A peeve of mine is the bits per second networking hardware uses, when most programs report in kibi-bytes per second.
Maybe the hubs just fed out /dev/random and the feds confused the resulting output as Britney Spear's music....
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That is probably why the article says "petabytes"!
...my ass. If you had enough GB to share, join one of their hubs. If you have a real share, you'll get a transfer to a "real" hub quite fast. This isn't exactly a secret society, it is more like a trivial screening to keep out the shitheads with spam messages, fake files, upload throttling and other crap.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
"There should be a -1 moral relativist option"
I see nothing morally relativist about asking for an arguement, a justification, as to why someone can morally prohibit another person, via the government, from thinking certain ideas or viewing certain materials (copyrighted materials of course).
Moral relativists do not need or ask for justification since they use their own belief system to self justify their behavior, in case you were ignorant about the term in question.
"As a US citizen, you have the right to disagree with laws and lobby for their repeal. You do not have to right to break them."
And if a law is immoral, you happily continue to obey? All law is are promulgated rules passed by the sovereign. If the sovereign, say a dictator or perhaps even a legislature as the case maybe, passed a law requiring that a group of individuals be inslaved, have their property taken away, and or put into camps you'd obey that law?
"You decided that because everyone in Europe drives on the left side of the street, people in this country should also"
Is the problem of driving on the left or on the right side of the road really an immoral law? If you think so it'll be a laugh for you to come up with that line of reasoning.
On the other hand the fact that governments seem to be jailing and bankrupting people in order to protect idea monopolist's profits and in spite of 300 year old copyright law that does not work in the digital age seems to be the type of law people should be objecting to and resisting.
3dinfo@maficstudios.com
1MB = 10^6 bytes 4000MB = 40 * 10^6 * 10^ 3 = 4 * 10 ^ 10
Could be wrong, but in this line you're saying 4000=40*10^3
Think that should be 4*10^3.
In your later post you say that means 4GB per song. Since the factor's off by 10, I guess that means it's really 400MB per song.
But then again...
40 * 10^15 (40PB) = 4 * 10 ^ 16 bytes then becomes
(40 * 10^16)bytes
So I guess that all evens out back to 4GB
But then again, I'm a geer, so I can't do simple math without a calculator and could be way off!