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SCO Says 'Linux Doesn't Exist'
4A6F656C writes "In an article on LinuxWorld.com.au, Kieren O'Shaughnessy, director of SCO Australia and New Zealand, details SCO's plans for Australia, stating that they have 'prepared a hit list' and "would approach Australian Linux users to ensure they had an IP licence." In closing, he adds 'Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of Unix'." UnknowingFool writes "IBM's lawyers have been busy the last few days. Groklaw has reported a number of different filings. On the heels of last week's motions (1) and (2) for summary judgement, they have filed more documents. First, IBM wants large portions of SCO's testimonies striken (removed) on multiple grounds. Deep in the motion, they call out SCO to produce the 'experts' that did the code comparison analysis. If IBM wins on most of these points, SCO will have very little left in the way of legal evidence. SCO answers on IBMs 10th counterclaim. IANAL but from I understand SCO says this copyright infringment that SCO has allegedly committed on one of IBM's patents is irrelevant to the case and the court doesn't need to decide on it. So SCO is saying that they can sue IBM for infringing on their Unix copyrights and patents but IBM can't counter sue on a specific patent. IBM also filed another memo to support summary judgement. As a matter of law, SCO has to produce evidence to backup its claims. This mountain of evidence SCO has claimed all this time: If they don't produce it, the court has to rule in IBM's favor."
SCO must figure if we can't own them or buy them then they must not exist!
...ever downwards.
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These lines are the kicker (and send exactly the opposite message from the summary here on
Can anyone seriously say that they are really committed to victory in the courts if they have backpedaled that far on enforcing "their violated rights" down under?
Sig under construction since 1998.
"SCO doesn't exist"!
I've been thinking this same thing. It's all relative, really. Just coneceptual ideals and data floating around in the aether, aspiring to the ideal form of Unix.
And for that matter, you guys don't exist when I close my eyes! Neener neener neener!
Dragging people kicking and screaming into reality since 1996.
Here's a question. IBM seems to be willing to go to the mat to defend open source and/or free software. Does this buy loyalty from you linux developers? Do you think they are getting more "good will" than they are spending in lawyers fees?
Waltz, nymph, for quick jigs vex Bud.
What in the world have I been running over the last few years. Was the penguin just a figment of my imagination? Slashdot doesn't actually exist either? And Google?
Nothing to see here, move along
Edit: they fixed the link. Nevermind. ... like the body or the subject!)
Edit: No they didn't, I'm still getting weird errors
Cat got your tongue? (something important seems to be missing from your comment
Snickersnee3: Build your own 3-watt Luxeon Star headlamp from scratch
SCO: Do not try and use Linux. That's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth.
IBM: What truth?
SCO: There is no Linux.
IBM: There is no Linux?
SCO: Then you'll see that it is not Linux that you're using, it is only SCO Unix Openserver v. 5. And that will be $699 per CPU please or else you'll be hearing from our lawyers.
IANAL but from I understand SCO
You don't appear to be a writer either.
Hell, he did wonderful things for saddam ;-)
Iraqi Information Minister
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Starts to talk nonsense..
"The only reason we are [pursuing a lawsuit against IBM] is to defend our Unix business; we are not a litigation company, we are about Unix on Intel," he said.
Accelerates..
"IBM has transformed Linux from a bicycle to a Rolls-Royce, making it almost an enterprise-class operating system.
Goes into overdrive..
"It took us 25 years to build our business and it took [IBM] four years simply by stealing code and then giving it away free."
and ofcourse finally..
"Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of Unix,"
I wish more people like this existed to make my day.
Also, if Linux doesn't exist, will my computer still work when I get home? I've got important stuff on there, and I'd like it to not be a figment of my imagination, as I haven't backed it up lately.
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"I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing and it was everything that I thought it could be."
Showing a graph of 3 months is worthless, since this whole thing has been going on for years now. If you look at the 2 year chart, you will see that they still have quite a bit to dip before they even hit the low point.
That O'Shaughnessy bloke sure is one heck of a solipsist.
I hear there's rumors on the Slashdots
A philosophy professor walks in to give his class their final. Placing his chair on his desk the professor instructs the class, "Using every applicable thing you've learned in this course, prove to me that this chair DOES NOT EXIST."
So, pencils are writing and erasers are erasing, students are preparing to embark on novels proving that this chair doesn't exist, except for one student. He spends thirty seconds writing his answer, then turns his final in to the astonishment of his peers.
Time goes by, and the day comes when all the students get their final grades...and to the amazment of the class, the student who wrote for thirty seconds gets the highest grade in the class.
His answer to the question: "What chair?"
Well, to put this in context, since Kieren O'Shaughnessy says Linux doesn't exist, IBM lawyers should respond to all the lawsuits as 'What Linux?'
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After saying that Linux doesn't exist, O'Shaughnessy then ran around the room with his fingers in his ears, yelling "lalalalalalalalalalalala... I can't hear you!"
Afterwards, he went on to discuss SCO's legal strategy of, "I am rubber, you are glue, what bounces off me sticks to you".
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Seriously, go to groklaw and read the latest 4-5 files from IBM. Yes they are each ~100 pages but very interesting. Basically IBM has nailed SCO in a box that they can't get out of. In fact IBM is so confident that the language in their filings has gotten beyond the normal angry lawyer comments as they point out how insane SCO's arguements are.
A lot of things SCO does reminds me of a child's behaviour, and this is one of them. Kids often dwell on things that please them, and act as if problems don't exist.
When I was a little boy I came home from school and asked my mom if we could skip Thursday. She was puzzled and said "no". She later found out that I had gotten in trouble at school, and the teacher had scheduled a disciplinary meeting on Thursday afternoon.
Thursday doesn't exist.
Slashdot Syndrome: the sudden, extreme urge to correct someone in order to validate one's self.
Well the real surprise will hit SCO when they find out australia doesn't exist.
this is the most important sig ever! In your face 446154!
If Linux doesn't exist, then Darl shouldn't object to the shoving of the aforementioned inexistent printed source code up his ass, right?
-- It's always darker before it goes pitch black.
How can something that does not exist infringe on SCO's properties?
There is no Linux!
It's GNU/Liunx!!!!!!!
When will you people learn?
Regards,
RS
So it was said to be in the hundreds of thousands...
Then it was in the thousands... then the hundreds, then the dozens...
Now all of a sudden its the whole damn thing? I would love to hear SCO explain how someone could have the complete code to an unlicensed version of Unix and have gotten away with it until now.
Crack must be real cheap in Utah these days...
can't sleep slashdot will eat me
Is this the forecasted meltdown of the Internet. Tell all the world that Linux doesn't exist, and whamo, no more Internet?
This is not the software you are looking for.
We can go about our business.
Move along.
There you have it. Linux doesn't exist. No need for a law suit then, right?
I know SCO doesn't have much (if any!) credibility with geeks on Slashdot, but when you want to win a court case you have to maintain credibility in your claims.
Using terms like "hit list" is not a good way of gaining credibility with investors and with judges. Claiming that something doesn't exist and then trying to sue people for using it doesn't help your credibility with anyone.
The legal system isn't deaf or blind to the media; SCO's ridiculous actions will affect the outcome of subsequent court cases. As we've seen with IBM's increasing success in court, SCO just hasn't learned these lessons.
Not that I mind at all.
I think, therefore I am.
Linux computes, therefore it is.
But if SCO falls in a forest of futile legal filings, did it really make a sound or was that just wind breaking?
TLR
A man no more knows his destiny than a tea leaf knows the history of the East India Company
SCO (to everyone): "La La La La...I can't hear you, I can't hear you!"
Linux (to SCO): "Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself!"
SCO (to AT&T): "Mom, Linux is poking me! Make him stop! Make him stop!"
They certainly would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids
Me neither.
Can... not... resist... Must... corrupt... HHGTTG quote...
"I refuse that Linux exists," says SCO, "for Linux denies Copyrights, and without Copyrights I am nothing."
"But," says Torvalds, "Open Source copyrights are a dead giveaway, aren't they? They could not have evolved by chance. In Linux they exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says SCO, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Torvalds, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed at the next zebra crossing.
Most leading software developers claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys, but that didn't stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his best-selling book, 'Well That About Wraps It Up for SCO.'
+1 Insightful, -1 Troll. What can I say, I'm an Insightful Troll.
Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of Unix
-1 Troll
At some point, when a company's stock price drops low enough for long enough, it gets delisted, right?
So SCOX is now down to 3.64, the last time I checked:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&quicken=2
Does anyone know at what point they will be delisted?
Small correction: It's GNU/Linux. And GNU's Not Unix.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
-- Pablo Picasso
Well, considering that they were once the "bad guy" company, not unlike the Microsoft of today to many here, I'd say they've turned things around quite well.
As long as they're defending open source with their lawyers, I can't imagine a sane person wanting to attack it--I've read the legal briefs, they don't miss a thing.
Today SCO on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one conciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as Linux, life is only dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather
SCO concluded by saying the "moon doesn't even exist", "everybody knows it is just an unlicenced copy of the Earth" which SCO claim was stolen when a large Mars sized body crashed into Earth some years ago.
We knew this would eventually happen. Hell, SCO knew they would end up in this type of hot water. The whole problem with this mess is that they don't care if they lose.
The connection between themselves and Microsoft is firmly established now. I guess it is still open to debate if Microsoft was the company that came up with the idea of using SCO as a massive FUD machine against Linux, or if they simply started backing SCO once they realised what potential that would have. My personal guess would be that you could probably trace the very idea back to Redmond, but that's really irrelvant here.
For all the time this has been going on, there has been a blanket of FUD over Linux. Most people here saw through it, but even on Slashdot you could find posts along the lines of "...but what if SCO is actually right and their IP is in Linux..." The business world, getting their news from sources like Forbes, had a far different perception. To them, Linux suddenly became a poison pill that no IT manager would touch. You may believe Linux's reputation will eventually recover, but SCO was able to plant seeds of doubt in so many minds in the mean time.
The real trajedy here is that this type of tactic has made SCO management and board members rich, SCO employees unemployed, Linux tarnished in the eyes of the businessman, and most likely nothing will ever be done to punish those responsible for the lies.
"The market alone cannot provide sufficient constraints on corporation's penchant to cause harm." -- Joel Bakan
Hmm, the stink of fraud is certainly filling up the room now...
This all started as a gamble for SCO. They thought for sure IBM would have just bought them to make them shut up.
That didn't happen then SCO thought maybe they could extort lots of money from Linux users.
That didn't happen so then they thought they could sue other companies to scare people into buying.
That didn't happen and now they are walking the Mile. Expect lots of sound and fury but in the end it will signify nothing.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200408252 24344827
these last days, such redundancies have become quite frequent. My guess is that cowboyneal is on a vacation.
War doesn't prove who's right, just who's left.
If Linux doesn't actually exit, doesn't that pretty much negate their complaint?
It's good to use your head, but not as a battering ram.
"Linux doesn't exist." --Sco
Does anyone find this last quote vaguely reminiscent of the writings of the atheist philosopher Nietzsche? This reminds me alot of the popular quote made by him that goes, "God is dead."
"God is dead." --Nietzsche.
"Nietzsche is dead." -- God
Likewise:
"Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of Unix. " --Sco
"Sco doesn't exist. Everyone knows OpenServer is an unlicensed version of Unix." --Tux
Coherant is one. I have the software and the book for this non-existant OS that I bought in the early 90s. Minix is another but has been used to "prove" that the first Linux kernel couldn't have been written by one person. So perhaps Minix exists after all.
Then there is Xenix. SCO sold that for years after Microsoft sent it their way. Bill Gates hasn't mentioned Xenix in a long time so it must not exist either.
But if Linux doesn't exist, what was Caldera selling all those years (before it became SCO)?
No one ever had to evacuate a city because the solar panels broke!
Not to be outdone by SCO, IBM quickly came back with
I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you.
SCO lawyers:
Yeah, well you're all stupid.
IBM lawyers:
I know you are... but what am I.
SCO laywers(amongst themselves):
Damn, that was good one. Do we have anything else? (shuffle through papers) How 'bout "Our dads can beat up your dads"? No. Try this.
SCO laywers(to IBM):
You're mom!
Slashdot Syndrome: the sudden, extreme urge to correct someone in order to validate one's self.
"Linux doesn't exist?" What can we expect from SCO next? How do these people have enough funds to continue their insane legal proceedings? Why won't SCO just wither and die?
I just don't understand how a company with an outdated, proprietary UNIX, ever-decreasing customer base, and an increasingly expensive and insane legal campaign can hang on and fight for as long as SCO has. I look forward to IBM's fatal blows in the courtroom so that maybe this thing can finally go away.
...SCO executives announce that, "There is no spoon."
Gosh, I was wondering where the Iraqi Information Minister went...
"There is no Linux here!! It is LIES, from the mouth of the evil Stallman!! It is all a Zionist conspiracy against the brave people of Utah! The people are united undet the benevolent and loving rule of Darl McBride, who shall lead us to glorious victory against the heathen penguins!! The infidels shall commit suicide against the walls of our bullshit!!
Every man and boy in Utah is ready to resist the invading horde of penguins with his life! We have held them off, and are slaughtering them like sheep on the shores of our Greeat Salt Lake! There are no Linuxes within Salt Lake City, as we defeat the avian aggressors and drive them from their homes! Our lawyers are mercilessly cutting them down as we speak, any reports of Novell or IBM winning are lies! LIES!!!
SCO is great! Praise be to SCO! There is no UNIX but SCO!!"
You mean the perceived market value before they started this pump and dump exercise? What exactly will that tell you? What the three month dive means to me is that even Wall Street realizes that there is no SCO case, there will be no further buyouts and SCO is worthless. People who bought into SCO are sorry they did, including Baystar who recommend that SCO fire their remaining technical staff and become a full time IP scam house.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
I think Darl read too much in Linus' announcement, a while ago, that Santa Claus invented Linux...
If Santa Claus does not exist, he cannot have possibly invented Linux! I can't wait to submit this new evidence in court!
When SCO talks about Unix, what, exactly, are they talking about? Is there a "Unix" anymore? I know of AIX, Solaris, and the BSDs as the last remaining operating systems that are, I believe, Unix-derived (some of the AT&T code, some of the BSD stuff). I don't think even SCO's own products (Unixware, SCO) are so close to SysV that they can truly say to be the true "Unix" operating system.
:)
So when they say Linux is an unauthorized Unix, what Unix are they talking about? Besides, doesn't the original email from Linux talk about how Linux is a "Minix" clone, which in turn is a much scaled down version of Unix? Why doesn't SCO go after Minix too while they're at it. Or Plan9...that's very Unix-like.
Or Windows...oops, no, not that one. Besides, that's more VMS than Unix.
A need for more than 640k
a Windows Monopoly
HTTP 404 errors
I haven't seen IBM do one single thing that would adversely affect their bottom line.
Now, if IBM would fund a drive to eliminate software patents in the US, THAT would show they were a friend.
They are an "ally" only because they see Linux (and Open Source) as useful and profitable and an alternative to being second to Microsoft.
The Darl: - Humph. /root, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.
Tux: If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.
# ping linux.org
linux.org is alive
# ping sco.com
I'll let you know when I get the answer -- if I ever!
... it probably will.
If you read them, SCO is betting the farm on a diversion tactic to answer IBM's request for summary judgement.
Basically, they're feigning surprise that this is an issue, complaining that they need more discovery, and trying to say that they haven't had time to properly prepare for this because it could take 25,000 man hours.
Unfortunately for them, IBM responds that it's been hammering SCO on this question for over a year now (in spite of SCO sticking their heads in the sand to avoid it). Also, IBM's experts say that SCO's characterization of the times involved is ridiculous and SCO has already claimed in the media *many* times to have made these comparisons already (even though it refuses to provide them to IBM).
Worse, SCO's "experts" haven't been properly qualified, they're testifying about things they would appear to have no personal knowledge of, and as such IBM is moving to strike our large portions of their declarations, meaning that SCO wouldn't have much of an arguement left. This is especially true because SCO's Samir Gupta, the only "expert" who appears to have done any code comparisons (and I say "expert" because they give no credentials for him other than him being in the employ of SCO), has completely ignored the abstraction & filtration required by the case law (whereas IBM's properly qualified MIT professor has done one refuting theirs, which respects the case law in question).
Lastly, they point out via copious amounts of case law that SCO does *not* need any more discovery. They show that the only thing which matters for a judgement in terms of *copyright infringement* is the two final works. SCO surely has its own product line, and IBM points them to every version of Linux since 1.0, which is available online.
Taken in sum, unless SCO can pull off one hell of a miracle to convince the judge in the oral arguments, I would tend to think that SCO is screwed here. SCO's tactic of sticking its head in the sand to try and duck IBM's arguement doesn't seem very persuasive, and *SCO* has the burden of proof to show that there are material facts in dispute. Given how IBM so carefully destroys all the testamony SCO relies on, it's hard to see how SCO could prevail in any meaningful way when these motions are resolved.
"Linux does not exist" --SCO
"SCO's case does not exist" --IBM
Coming soon...
"SCO does not exist" --Wall Street
--GrouchoMarx
Card-carrying member of the EFF, FSF, and ACLU. Are you?
It's a tribute. TSG're stuck at the physical level, we've been virtual for some time now, so far transcendent above mere hardware that it's as if we don't exist. (-:
I wrote IDG a nastygram about the article. A copy of it's on the GrokLaw page.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
but I just can't shove my head up my butt that far.
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
If they tell themselves 12 times a day:
"Linux doesn't exist. Linux doesn't exist...."
It's bound to come true.
Everybody knows it's the evil mini-me version of a bigger evil company.
So now let's sue IBM for..... ONE MILLION DOLLARS!!!
Privacy is terrorism.
root@honningsvag root # uname -a
an unlicensed version of Unix honningsvag 2.6.7-gentoo-r7 #1 Mon Jul 12 18:45:05 CEST 2004 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 Mobile CPU 1.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/an unlicensed version of Unix
For a while by now I keep reading on /.
Australia to Get Software Patents and Anti-Circumvention Laws
Australia to Vote on Extending IP Laws
Australia-U.S. Trade Agreement Contains DMCA-like Provisions etc. and now "would approach Australian Linux users to ensure they had an IP licence"
What is happening with Australia? It looks like a backyard testing garrage for corporations, which reduce humans to consumers! Isn't Australia a democracy governed for the good of the people? Or it is a private lab where consumers must eat all the crap the big corporation is testing on them?
You know they're done when their last option is the Jedi Mind Trick.
br
I think they're going to go out, not with a bang, but a whimper. Their ability to construct a case is just going to wither away and die. We'll quit hearing about them (thankfully); then, 20 years from now, we'll hear a "Whatever happened to SCO" retrospective?
This is a little unfortunate. I was counting on their legal shenannigans to destroy them in a publicly enjoyable way.
Secession is the right of all sentient beings.
It is important to keep the facts straight in an argument especially when one half of the debate is of its rocker.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Linux does not exist.
In the universe, there may be an infinite number of stars which may yield an infinite number of galaxies which may yield an infinite number of solar systems which may yield an infinite number of planets which may yield an infinite number of planets with an infinite number of life-forms.
Since infinity does not exist [in the context of a number system], then we do not exist.
Since we do not exist then Unix was never invented.
Since Humans invented Unix and humans do not exist, Unix was never invented and Linux was never invented.
Therefore, Linux does not exist, as was to be shown.
If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
I'm amused at:
FUD is now a legal term! :D
A log scale chart is more meaningful when it comes to the real value of the company - a share price drop from $5 to $4/share means they've lost 20% of their value, while going from $15 to $14 is only about a 7% drop. The log scale graph comes a little closer to representing how serious each day's change is to SCO (and their investors).
What is the robbing of a bank, compared to the founding of a bank? -- Bertolt Brecht
SCO won't exist.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
The current price is roughly consistent with their cash position, now that they've paid off BayStar. There's an earnings call on August 31, and then we'll know how well, or badly, SCO did this quarter. SCO has lately been issuing press releases for many minor events, and none of them mention substantial revenue. So there probably isn't any new income.
Meanwhile, many of the various motions in SCO vs IBM will be heard in September. If IBM wins any of them, SCO is toast. If IBM doesn't win any of them, IBM is no worse off.
is that, like any good capitalist system, it positively leverages greed by putting the public good in the self-interest of moneyed entities.
IBM's doing what they're doing out of self-interest, but the entanglement created by the GPL means that in order to act in self-interest they must indirectly act in the interests of the community as well.
Irritable, left-wing and possibly humorous bumper stickers and t-shirts
There are plenty of kernels. Very few Linus Torvalds.
Let me guess - he doesn't exist either?
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"I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing and it was everything that I thought it could be."
There are no tiger attacks in my area and it's all because this rock I'm holding keeps the tigers away.
Anyone know what the laws in Australia are on slander?
"IBM has transformed Linux from a bicycle to a Rolls-Royce, making it almost an enterprise-class operating system.
It took us 25 years to build our business and it took [IBM] four years simply by stealing code and then giving it away free."
This seems like a statement that could put one in jail. Claiming that someone stole from you without proof seems a risky move at best.
Yes SCO everyone does hate you. No one will ever want to business with you ever again. Suing customers is not the way to make people want to do business with you. By your actions you have made IBM look like a warm, friendly, and even cool company and the hero of the IT world. Yes the former evil empire now looks like Santa Claus while SCO's image is that of the Iraq information minister. I would say that SCO hasn't reached the level of the Anti-Christ. Frankly most people would expect the Anti-Christ to not be as incompetent as SCO. No not even level of Hitler. SCOs level of evil is about at the level of a pimple faced Neo-Nazi skinhead publishing newsletter out of his bedroom. Full of lies, stupid ranting, and a false sense of injustice.
Yes SCO you have sunk so low that you are not even really hated anymore. SCO you have sunk to the level of disgust. SCO has sunk to level of a guest on Jerry Springer.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
Indeed. The fact that the courts even entertain these suits is a perfect example of how corrupt, skewed, and worthless our political and legal system is in the US.
As long as I have enough money in my legal fund and enough of a history with technical jargon-speak it seems I am given the opportunity to tank a competitor. Can you imagine if this sort of vampirism was practiced on private citizens?
Oh wait... the IRS, RIAA, and MPAA already have a copyright on the textbook which teaches this type of behavior.
+++ATHZ 99:5:80
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
If people are to respect the law, perhaps the law should begin by respecting the people.
From a thread on the Yahoo SCOX board where the challenge is to come up with the best joke that starts with "Darl, Chris and Blake walk into a bar. . ."
Darl, Chris and Blake walk into a bar.
The waitress says, "Darl, you have a telegram waiting, its the quarter-end results." Darl happily takes the telegram and tosses it on to the bar's grill, where it bursts into flames.
The waitress comes back and says, "Darl, you have a phone call. Its an industry analyst." Darls walks over to the phone, and while talking, he pivots in a circle until the call is complete, then returns.
Finally, the waitress announces, Darl, you have a fax coming in. Darl gets up, and backs slowly toward the machine, rips off the page, and returns to the booth.
Blake looks at Chris and says, "I understand the part where Darl habitually cooks the numbers and spins a tale, but what was that last thing?" Chris says, "Oh that? He'll never ever face the fax."
(:) 2004, the Tubby Nuisance Network.
"All wrongs preserved."
The calm, cool, confident, and respectful manner in which IBM is handling itself in court is admirable; IMHO, this puts them head-and-shoulders above SCO's legal team.
We may not imagine how our lives could be more frustrating and complex—but Congress can. – Cullen Hightower
The whole SCO vs IBM case is beginning to feel and sound like the lengthy Microsoft vs DOJ antitrust case.
In the MS vs DOJ case, Microsoft clearly had a monopoly, they used it illegally, and they lost every round in court in displays of legal ineptitude. Remember Bill Gates terrible videotaped deposition? I used to wonder how Microsoft planned to win. And then...Microsoft got a new judge, a new Attorney General, a settlement agreement, etc. etc. and the who thing just vanished in a puff of legal smoke and Microsoft carried on as usual.
Now, we have SCO seemingly out on a long limb and IBM holding the saw and yet...the news today has the city of Turku in Finland abandoning their plans to switch to Linux in favor of Windows XP. SCO is losing every legal battle just as Microsoft did but perhaps they are winning the war which is all that really matters.
The Iraqi Information Minister will be handling all of SCO's public relations from now on.
just have to say that the agnostic was probably just as apalled at a slashdotter's inability to recognize the lack of logic in that joke.
Now these are funny:
A scientist was riding around with his wife in a steamer trunk when he stops at a police roadblock. The policeman comes over and explains to the scientist that they are searching all buggies because of a recent theft. The policeman asks him if he would mind opening the trunk. the scientist complies and immediately the policeman draws his weapon and screams, "Sir, you have a dead woman in your trunk!" Schrodinger replies back, "Well, *now* she is."
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and in juxtaposition to the Nieztsche joke:
What do you call a man chewing on his palms?
Jesus biting his nails.
(it's better done visually)
- if this doesn't get posted I ask why is it ok to make fun of atheists or agnostics (Nietzsche joke) and not to make fun of christians?
answer: because christians kill people over jokes.
woo hoo that was funny.
Looks like he was on to something!
We know from the FSF that Linux = GNU/Linux
Multiplying both terms by Linux: Linux x Linux = Linux * GNU/Linux
Simplifying: Linux^2 = GNU
Since Linux is a kernel, it stands to reason: (Linux Kernel)^2 = GNU Kernel
or: Linux Kernel = SQRT(GNU Kernel)
Since the GNU Kernel is vaporware, the Linux Kernel cannot exist!
I'm Erwin Schrodinger and I approve of this message, and I do not approve of this message!
Agnostics are intellectual cowards. Reason tells you that there is no god.
Take evolution for example....
If you've ever taken a college biology class, you would be able to see that evolution occurs. Comparative Morphology, predictible genetic mutation, etc. etc. It's backed by years of scientific research.
Then you have the Genesis Myth. God created the earth in seven days, and the whole thing is ohh, about six thousand years old.
The agnostic, by his refusal to choose, gives each equal creedance. It's insanity, really. But it's a convienient position for armchair philosophers to take, because it placates people. Think of it as the John Kerry position.
I am an atheist. Period. To steal a phrase, I want to believe. A mountain of evidence prevents me from doing so. Douglas Adams had a rather compelling piece on it in his final book. Some of Ayn Rand's writings on the subject are also interesting.
One final tip that may save you lawyer fees: I don't think you can claim any IP over the process of deep fat frying or cooking ground beef.
But some of the best religion jokes are blasphemous!
Think for yourself, destroy your television.
Those guys need to read up on different methods of ritual suicide so they can decide which one they prefer once they lose their collective asses in the court systems.
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