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Rio Reveals iPod Mini Slayer
Remik writes "Rio has released a limited edition of its new hard drive based player called Carbon. Coming in lighter and denser (3.2oz with 5 GB of storage) than the Ipod Mini with the same price tag $249, twice the battery life, and nearly the same dimensions. Rio has only made 500 players available in the initial offering, so get one while they last. There's more info at cNet, Pocket Lint and Gizmodo. Highlights: Drag and drop file transfer, charging over USB and Janus compliance."
Does it come in pink?
Indeed, this looks AWESOME, but it's lack of the magical iPod Click Wheel will be the singular feature that kills this product. The click wheel really is the best hardware UI, ever.
They missed one thing though. The iPod Mini is pretty, this one looks like someone drop a clump of dough, and stuck a display and some buttons in it. But I guess some people like the look of dough!
"copy" looks like a decent piece of machinery. but how lame is it that they've copied so many design characteristics from the ipod? look at the "commemorative" packagaing, which looks almost exactly like the ipod's packaging. and laser engraving on the chromed rear cover of a music player? wow, innovative.
Highlights: Drag and drop file transfer
Let's just hope it's scratch resistant and shock proof!
a whole 500. Sounds like someone doesn't really have anything, but needs to pump a stock price.
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If it's because of the MicroDrive being used in players like the iPod mini, why not start selling iPod full size players in 5GB amounts? It would really be nice to see these "iPod killers" drop below the $200 price tag.
Yeah, this thing has everything. Except it's really ugly.
Once again, the competition needs to realize Apple's success is not due to its technical dominance but rather its popular dominance. The iPod (mini) is a part of mainstream pop culture. This new device does not look to replace the mini anytime soon.
I would not buy this for the same reason i would not buy the iPod from hp
Chicks love apple
fifteen jugglers, five believers
Once again the competition fails to grasp the fact that you cannot easily scan through over 1000 songs with a nub and your thumb. The iPod will continue to be No. 1 because its interface is that much better than its competitors.
Anyone else notice the glaring typo's in the system requirements (MAC and spave)? Seems a little rushed to me.
...does it support Ogg Vorbis?
Oh and don't mod me flamebait, I'm serious! Because the Rio Karma DOES support Ogg.
IMNSHO, one of the things, if not the main thing that makes the iPods and iPod Minis great is the interface.
However, I see no hints in the pictures as to what the interface is like except for the thumb-wheel on the top right. The Pocket Lint article mentions that the interface is the same as the Rio Karma, which I have never used. Can anyone enlighten us as to how the interface compares with the iPods's?
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
While I'd agree with you that the thing is damn ugly, I'd take exception about the issue of Apple's dominance.
The iPod is beautiful and it has a killer interface. Anyone can use it, and it is very intuitive. Each iteration seems to get incrementally more user-friendly and marginally better-looking, too.
This monstrosity that is a so-called "iPod-slayer" looks hideously cumbersome to use.
Why so few? WTF?
John Kerry is a Joke!
A bit off-topic, but wasn't Janus a common symbol fo r duplicity and untrustworthiness in past (and post-Roman) times, as he had a face looking both ways (the saying "two-faced")? So isn't naming a DRM product Janus like naming an airline "Icarius"? Sure he had wings and could fly but...OTOH some would argue that being DRM and MS, Janus is an entirely appropriate name...
What's with the month old news? The linked articles were all published August 2nd through 4th.
Astroturf?
Blue skies, Barthy Burgers, girls...
This device doesn't have to kill the iPod mini. In a world where Apple has to license a killer product to HP to solve the under capacity of it's manufacturers, Rio just has to put a comparable device into the market to reap the benefits.
The fact that Rio made it with better specs than iPod mini will likely help it with consumers who want the most bang for the buck. This is probably a good strategy if you're going after the late comers to the market (after the early adopter's demand has been met). However, Apple's move to leave the iPod mini's specs the same for the HP version seem to indicate they still think it can command premium prices from those looking to be trendy. These people usually are not the late comers. This is an interesting difference of opinion for the execs in each company.
Only real question is what were the Rio execs thinking when they limit the production run to 500 to artificially constrain demand and feably try to generate excitement. If they think they have an iPod mini killer, they should push like crazy to build awareness. A production run of 500 is just too small.
*Sigh*, no ogg vorbis this time around.
I think I'll stick with my iriver, thanks.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
As someone who just had his Rio Karma die a sad, hard-drive clicky death, I don't think I'll be buying another hard drive based music player from Rio until they decide to up the warranty.
.ogg files, which is why I got the Karma in the first place. But if they can't produce something which lasts, I say don't bother. What were they thinking, putting exposed moving parts on something people will be putting in backpacks and pockets?
I had 3 Karmas die on me: the first after a month (under warranty; the power button stopped working). Then the replacement died after 2 weeks because an exposed wheel got knocked out of place while it was in my bag. It took over a month to get the third one back from RMA, and that one just died from hard drive failure, out of warranty. Overall, Rio had my karma in RMA longer than I had a working unit.
I've got most of my music as
buffy had a kid.
Well, since this ugly thing with a bad UI won't be slaying the iPod Mini any time soon, I suppose it means that you should only listen to Slayer on this thing.
It's 500 for the limited edition Rio Carbon. The only difference between the limited edition and the regular version is a "collectors box", laser engraving, and a 3 month - 20 song pass on napster.r io/LE/
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"Tread softly because you tread on my dreams"
Here's why:
All the components are (essentially) the same, except the hard drive. The hard drive for the iPod is a 1.8" part, and the mini uses an even smaller 'microdrive' that is the same form as a compactflash card, IIRC.
The 4GB microdrive costs about as much as the 15GB minidrive, hence the cost parity.
Rarely does speed/size equate exactly with price, there's a bottom-limit and a steep upward-curve as you move from low-cost to high-end electronics.
"Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
They claim OS X support, but then on their software page only have the firmware as an EXE... Guess Mac users never have to reflash their player?
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This is so strange, just like the Ipod it doesn't have a built-in radio. I can't imagine why, the extra cost and size is minimal, and many people want to hear radio (news) occasionally.
It is strange since all MP3 players from taiwan/japan and european manufacturers have radios (often even the capability to record radio directly). Just Apple and RIO don't. Is it an american peculiarity, is radio so impopular in the US?
Rio has consistently had poor hardware and hardware that consistently fails. I bought 5 rio devices for friends/family some time ago. None of them survived over 3 months and all the work to get new equipment wasn't worth the hassle. The mp3 players in specific just consistently continued to fail. After a good three tries everyone just gave up. Just to be sure I didn't get a bad batch a couple of people also said their rio devices died on them.
I don't care what they make, I won't be buying rio ever again. Obviously this is just an observation of my experiences and other third party heresay. However that's a total of a good 10 people. Enough to tell me that it's not just me. Most of them got ipods already and my brother just got one as well.
So i'm gonna just get myself an ipod and see how it fairs. I'd do the whole christmas buy an ipod thing but this time around i'll just think of something else.
If you listen to Slayer loud enough on it, I hear you'll get super pissed and kill someone with a real iPod mini. Then you can take it and listen to your Slayer on the iPod mini instead.
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Roget's Thesaurus: Entry 19 (Imitation) - [snipped down to a list of words I felt were most applicable]
copying, duplication, reproduction, xerox, facsimile, simulation, impersonation, personation, semblance, parody, take-off, lampoon, caricature, plagiarism, forgery, counterfeit, imitator, echo, parrot, mime, imitate, copy, mirror, reflect, reproduce, repeat, do like, match, mimic, simulate, impersonate, follow suit, follow the example of, walk in the shoes of, take a leaf out of another's book, strike in with, follow suit, take after, model after, emulate, mimic.
Finally, in the words of Wordsworth, "like - but oh! how different! "
Thanks to the Project Gutenberg thesaurus
I registered an account just to post on this topic. For Rio to beat anything at all they'd have to have equal customer service. As it stands they don't. I own a karma. The shitty rio stick broke. I am a real careful guy so I don't know how it happened but the piece of shit broke. Literally broke right off. I don't want to lambaste the mechanical design but the workmanship just seemed shoddy. Then the rio wheel slipped off. All within 2 months of ownning the thing. Fine maybe I got a shitty one whatever I'll RMA it. First thing I noticed customer service is outsourced and is area code 650. Meaning I had to pay to talk to someone who can only handle tier 1 problems. Fine, that's the way it's down now. Sure enough after 3 15 minute phonecalls and two messed up RMA numbers given to me on " accident " I got my RMA number, sent the package in. To an address in Texas. Paid for priorty mail. Fine. Package got lost. Of course. Called Back to 650 customer service. Had it escalated from call center in India to something called legacy support - another third party CS agency. Within the span of one month they had done nothing to return my calls so I began emailing them They intially explained the lack of calls as they had gotten the wrong address and phone number for me; someone in India took my information down incorrectly. They (Rio Customer service) ended up discussing my situation with someone who they thought was my wife. I am not married, and don't even live in the same state as the person they called. They then got the tracking number I e-mailed them wrong 6 times. I wanted to document to them that I emailed it but they got it wrong 6 fucking times. I put in the number in the title the signature, everywhere. They still got it wrong. Mind you they never once called me back. Eventually I cut and pasted it from the USPS website. Magically they then learned that I was in fact telling the truth, but that no one at their texas RMA office could be found to sign for the package so it was never documented as being recieved. Finally I got the matter escalated to a supervisor. At this point it had been one and half months. They not only refused to give me the supervisor's e-mail. They refused to return my phone calls. This lasted two weeks. I finally faxed a copy of every e-mail to their coroporate office, two days later I got a response via e-mail my karma would arrive today. It did. So after nearly two months and 30$ I got it back. Yay. Sorry I just had to rant and wanted to warn peopel about RIO. I'll be making a webpage filled with e-mails and dates and times documenting the veracity of my claim. So it's not that I wish to drum up support here. Please note though that when you buy from a company you buy into their customer service. I own a ibook. I've had amazing customer service from apple. I have had the worst customer service expierence of my life with RIO. That in my opinion is why Rio can't be an Ipod Killer. They don't have the customer service for it.
As ugly or bad this player may be, it primarily sucks because it still does not support Ogg.
When can we finally get a player to play royalty-free stuff?
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Apple needs to hire the Microsoft astroturfers because you guys suck. ;->
Do you really think anyone beyond apple fan-boys will actualy base their choice of player on the interface? If it it plays music and is easy to use (and yes, it can be easy to use without using a clickwheel) it will sell.
It might be annoying for ipod users who are used to their interface, but they already have MP3 players...
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
*sigh* ..... seems like every month Slashdot posts the new 'ipod slayer' or 'ipod killer'.
What the slashdot crowd seems to fail to realise is that releasing a device with a bigger hard drive or longer battery life or some other fancy technical specification doesn't make it an 'ipod killer'. The ipod excels in many other areas - design, ease-of-use, reputation etc.
Making it worse, these 'ipod killers' are often a joke. They'll have say one technical aspect thats better than the ipod, but on pretty much everything else will fail (i.e. a bigger hard drive but crappy user interface and too big and ugly design etc). Sony's 'ipod killer' is the worst example - release a device crippled with DRM and requiring transcoding to Sony's dead ATRAC format with the resulting awful sound quality and post on slashdot about it killing the ipod. Which is of course a pity because Sony's engineers - if they weren't handcuffed by their music division - could very likely produce a superior product.
The ipod will of course not remain dominant forever, but it'll take more than a device with just a big hard drive or battery - and with only 500 available - to remove it from the throne.
Rio has a habit of producing mp3 devices that are dependent on propriatary windows software.
I was considering the rio-nitrus for a while untill I found out that it used an encrypted hard drive, and was in NO WAY compatible with Linux.
And it also remains to be seen how much it will cost to replace this battery in 1yrs time when they start wearing out.
Seriously, can anyone give me a GOOD reason why a company, like Rio, would not want other people to write extensions to thier devices?
I would rather be ashes than dust!
Oh, I'm sorry! I didn't realize I was talking to another .ogg partisan.
Me, I've got gigabytes of music in my proprietary pointy-stick and wet-clay compression algorithm, and I have a hard time finding players to work with that as well. The only one I know of looks like a Jeep with a big ass tone arm sticking out the back. They look at me funny when I try to get on an airplane with it.
Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
If I slapped a nice LCD screen on top of a cassette player and stuck in my sneaker, could I get /. to call it the next iPod obliterator/dominator/masticator? How about taping a transistor radio to a toothbrush (get all your favorite music AND good dental hygiene!).
Seriously, every single portable media player is touted as an iPod killer. Can't something be a competitor, or alternative, or just hanging out having a smoke?
Not that I really care, I don't own an iPod, but these "killer" headlines are starting to sound like the "BSD is dead" troll.
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
... because it is small handy and unlike the bigger model it is not so heavy that it pulls my jacket pocket down to my knee, I usually only listen to a few tracks on each CD so there is plenty of space for my favorite music, it is out-of-the-box compatable with OS.X/iTunes and ... well ... yes, I suppose it looks kinda cool. The only complaint is that that white belt clip that comes with it can not be trusted. On the positive side my iPod mini has fortunately survived two trips to the floor and is still ticking.
Only to idiots, are orders laws.
-- Henning von Tresckow
I've just ordered an iAudio M3, because IMO the iPod is useless. Why? Because it doesn't have many of the features I want in a player.
The iRiver, iAudio etc all have customers because they provide something different to what Apple is offering. Obviously it is not what the masses want because the easy interface and pretty looks are clearly appealing to most people.
But for some of us, it's just another player that isn't what we're looking for.
First off the user interface on Rios products, when combined with the software they employ, is easily as solid as Apple's line-up (more so IMHO in regards to the Karma, but that's just MHO). Regardless, your statement has ZERO merit since you provide no evidence WHY the Apple interface is superior.
That aside, the Carbon blows the iPod mini out of the water. First off the drive it uses is from Seagate and is 1gb larger. If I had to pick two companies I trust in HD tech it would be Seagate and WD, and while Toshiba is also pretty solid HDs aren't their main business.
Next we'll move onto another huge aspect of these players, battery life. The Carbon is cited, and this is a CONSERVATIVE estimate by Rio, at 20 hours. 20 hours! I mean that's TWO days of full use assuming you aren't using it constantly. The iPod mini TOPS OUT (and this is Apple's website here) at 8 hours. I mean is there even a comparison?
In terms of physical appearance I would vote without blinking for the Carbon. Maybe other people like their technology devices to be Muave or Coral Pink or something and look like a lighter, but I generally like sleek looking futuristic products with a bit of an edge. I think the Carbon looks pretty sharp in all ways, though I'd rather have blue in place of red for the keypad coloring. However, cosmetics are entirely personal, so this is kind of off topic.
What else is worth mentioning... WMA support which is, regardless of what Apple maniacs might say, much more useful than proprietary AAC support (face it, the world will use WMA DRM whether you like it or not). I don't purchase music online (so I have no use for WMA support), but its good for some folks.
Voice recorder... mini doesn't have it, Carbon does. Again I don't use it, but its a feature.
Basically the feature set of Rio's products is already LIGHT YEARS ahead of Apple, and it only seems to be growing. To bash the Carbon because it doesn't use a click wheel you like (and I hate) seems ridiculous to me. And the funny thing is that while I have a Karma I would NEVER buy a Carbon OR an iPod mini... I think a 4-5gb player at the price of a 20gb player is for morons.
In short, judge the devices on their merits and try to be at least moderately open-minded here.
-rt
I'd like to see THIS digital music player:
Inexpensive and reliable 60+ GB notebook hard drive.
More battery capacity, in an inexpensive, standard, replaceable battery format.
Larger display, for my 40 something eyes.
Standard hard drive file storage, so I can mount it and drag & drop files. Works with any OS, no special music download software needed, can serve as a portable data backup or transfer device.
Support for all popular audio codecs, including MP3, Ogg, etc.
No digital rights management crap. I rip my CDs and copy them to the player. Period. I don't need the RIAA in my business every time I want to copy my CD to my portable player.
Hotswap cradle to charge the player, copy tunes and connect to external powered speakers, just like my my Karma 20.
A good built in FM transmitter so an FM car radio can be used.
Admittedly, most people want a "smaller is better" MP3 player, not the less expensive 2X sized device I'd like to have, but I think there's a market for it. I have no use for a 5 GB player that stores 1/3 of my CD collection. I can see a use for tiny 256 MB players for people who want a couple of albums while they run, bike, commute, etc. But I'm spoiled by carrying my entire music collection. I frequently have a chance meeting with someone and play an obscure song for them, and the odds it'd be in a 256 MB device are slim. Besides, I never know what I want to hear ahead of time.
Bonus! Here's a free music download link from Tempus that I saw on /. Good stuff, reminiscent of Dave Mathews:
http://www.tempusband.com/mp3.html
>> My ultraviolent Linux switch video.
First off all, at 192Kbit, this player won't fit a thousand songs. Secondly, who ever scrolls through that many songs trying to find a single anyway? Don't most people, like me, only select a playlist or album?
So the wheel is superior, but do you notice the difference in daily use? I don't on my Creative Zen NX 30Gb, which has better battery life and cost $150 less than the 30Gb iPod when I bought it.
Janus was custodian of the universe and guardian of keys, locks and portals. Had two faces to indicate watchfulness and also to represent looking both into the past and future.
I used a pre-production unit for a couple months; it rocks. It was very small, very responsive (unlike the Nitrus, which was sluggish), could be trickle-charged through USB, and had the option of convenient driver-less file transfer or using various MP3 programs. Sound quality was excellent (I've used many MP3 players - Apple, iRiver, RIO, etc).
However, it doesn't support gapless playback, Ogg, or FLAC (like the Karma) and the pre-production unit didn't come with a case (dunno if the consumer version does or not).
Overall, it was the best hdd-based player I've used (beating out the Karma due to form-factor). The iPods' wheels (I've used 3G, mini, and 4G) are better than the Carbon's, but that's the only advantage the iPod has and the Carbon wheel is adequate.
But as good as the Carbon is, I think I'll go back to solid-state for my next player. The Carbon is light at 3.2 ounces, but the 512MB RIO Forge is under $200, weighs 2 ounces (the difference is noticeable when jogging and biking), comes with an arm-band, has an FM receiver, and has almost no lag whatsoever. Add a 512 MB SD card, and you've got a GB for less than the cost of the Carbon... given the convenience and speed of USB2.0 driver-less file transfer, that's enough storage space.
Anyway, before buying any RIO products, check out the forums at http://riovolution.com/
"I'll take increased functionality or cheaper price over looks any day of the week."
Good for you. However, most people decide based upon more subjective criteria.
The Carbon will not kill the iPod mini - it's too ugly and the specs of iPod mini clears the "good enough" criterion without problem. I also understand that it doesn't have the sexy clickwheel thingy.
Gadgets for Joe Average is about an experience in addition to techincal specs. The Carbon doesn't seem to have what it takes.
Stop the brainwash
Sorry to post twice, but I forgot to mention this before. Here's your study in contrasts.
I bought an original Apple iPod back when they first were introduced. A couple of months ago the hard drive in it died, and rather than pay the $270 Apple wanted to fix it, I decided to spend about another $100 and get a new model. Upgrade and all that.
Well, wouldn't you know it, I got a bad one. It worked fine out of the box for a couple of days, but then it froze up and couldn't be reset.
I called Apple (I ordered my iPod online) and the guy checked my ZIP code and told me to take it to the Apple store at such-n-such address. I did, waited in line for about 20 minutes (during which I surfed the Net on the G5 at the store). I showed the guy behind the counter my iPod, and he said, "Wait just a minute, please." And he disappeared in the back with my iPod.
About a minute later, seriously in almost no time at all, he emerged and said, "Here you go." And he handed me a brand-new, still-in-the-shrinkwrap iPod box.
Me: "Huh?"
The Guy: "Here's your new iPod. Sorry for the inconvenience."
Me: "What's the catch?"
There was no catch. If your iPod breaks and it's under warranty, take it to an Apple store. They will hand you a new one and send you home. No Bangalore call center, no RMA, no waiting 2-3 weeks, none of that. Just "Here's your new iPod. Sorry for the inconvenience."
That was just cool.
I write in my journal
Hmmm.... that does uniquely look just like the cube box that came with my ipod and isight. Black and white, cubed.
I wonder if it is as cool on the inside though. I still pull out my ipod box and marvel at how wonderful a design it is (Yes, I kept the box. I'm a mac nut and a design nut; I love showing my friends whose toys usually come in brown cardboard or squeaky styrofoa)..
I noticed several things about the Carbon which makes me think Rio has taken a step backwards.
1) USB Transfer...the Rio Karma has a cradle which allows network transfer over ethernet...plug it in and it gets an IP from DHCP server.
2) No support for Linux...the Rio Karma came with Java-based music manager which works splendidly with Linux.
3) No OGG-Vorbis support (that I can tell from their site)...the Rio Karma plays MP3, FLAC, OGG, and WMA. After I ripped my entire music collection to OGG, I'm not about to revert back to MP3. The downside is there seems to have been some early problems with the Karma...my replacement unit has been working fine for 7 months...the original lasted less than 12 days. I hope they've worked out all the kinks on the Carbon.
The thing that gets me about the IPod and this are that one simple thing could really make them stand out. Which is a display with not so much a crappy 70's calculator gray background, but a really crisp white/clear background?
So someone's got to know why we can't fix this?
By making 500 units, Rio is really making a statement.
Unlike the iPod mini, which was so successful it blew away Apple's ability to manufacture to meet demand (hence the production run joke), Rio is taking a wait and see approach by only investing in the production of 500 of these units.
My wild-ass-guess is that they want to project market demand with the first run and if numbers come out the way they want, they will build more. If not, then on to the next iPod mini Burninator.
This may be a good for Rio but bad for the early addopters of the pilot devices who get left with an uncommon Rio unit that may well be unsupported soon.
The iPod mini is a sure thing at the same $249 price point and, oh yeah, it plays Fairplay tracks so you don't have to support the evil that is WMA.
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
So you can engrave it.
It comes in a stylish cardboard cube.
It holds music on a tiny hard drive.
It costs $250.
It's small.
It uses a D-Pad almost exactly like my Treo 600.
I'm sorry, but the Treo *sucks* as a media player, and that D-Pad is the main reason *why* it sucks.
It sounds good enough, pTunes handles all the right formats... But it's a bear to control. It's like driving an ice cream truck by gesturing emphatically.
This could be an iPod Mini killer, but it needs a better UI.
Raptor
"Procrastination is great. It gives me a lot more time to do things that I'm never going to do."
I own an IPOD 4G/40GB that I pruchased the first day it became available. I have only one small problem with it. I tried to use it for my AM run. Every time it tries to access the HD, I had to stop because the jaring was causing it problems. Okay, I needed a memory chip based MP3 player. I looked around and decided on a RIO Cali 256mb. It plays WMA and MP3. I refuse, for phylosophical reasons, to use WMA. To encode a MP3 file from my CD collection I had to register my product, give them my email address, and download the "Lame" encoder. They restrict the download to 3 times for the encoder even though it comes under the GPL (its backed up on my LAN and I burned it on CD just to be safe).
Using iTunes the encoding of my CDs was fast and easy. RIO was a pain in the ass and slow as hell. A few of the songs came out in such poor quality they needed to be redone. It took me 2 days to get a playlist and about an hours worth of songs on the thing. It is no where near as intuitive as iTunes.
It does work well and has good sound quality. I hope they really improve their software or it will not even come close to being an iPOD buster.;
I used to be a paranoid, now, I'm just a noid.
The only caveot: I own a 4g iPod. When are people going to learn that for the majority of people it doesn't matter if it's better than the sexy little iPod in features, size or look. It's not an iPod. Apple did two things in making the iPod: They made a pretty decent product with an easy interface and they also made an image of chic youth. I'm afraid that Rio has only done 1/2 of this. Until they come out with a better marketing capaign, they simply will not unseat the iPod.
How can this be an iPod killer if only 500 are availible? Not only will it be low yield, low profit, but it doesn't stand a chance of being widely accepted. I highly doubt people will drop their iPod Mini to grab one of these things. It's not an iPod Mini killer, it simply cannot be.
I just buy the top ten songs on ITMS every ten months or so and that pretty well replaces FM radio for me. At least I get the same content.
If I want a "morning drive" program I just swear randomly into a microphone for a few minutes and add that to the playlist I have on random.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley