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The Technology Hype Cycle

jira writes "What does it take for a new gadget to be succesfull on the market? Which technologies will become part of everyday life in the future? BBC investigates the Techology Hype Cycle."

193 comments

  1. Easy! by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just get a "review" posted on /.

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    1. Re:Easy! by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Funny

      But what if you aren't Apple?

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    2. Re:Easy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just make sure it (No matter what "it" is) either supports Ogg Vorbis, runs Linux or violates the GPL in some unspecified and hazy manner and you're all set for Slashdot stardom.

    3. Re:Easy! by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      Then you need to sell on Thinkgeek, that seems to work...

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    4. Re:Easy! by edittard · · Score: 0

      s/runs linux/is powered by linux/

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    5. Re:Easy! by Pirogoeth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Apple's product hype cycle can be found here.

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    6. Re:Easy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It only needs the theoretical capability to run Linux to get onto Slashdot. You can either mention it yourself in the advertising bumpf, or just hint at it and let a group of particularly sad bastards try to "hack" it to run Linux. Bonus points if you provide at least vague hardware specifications to said sad bastards.

  2. 90% marketing by Megaweapon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The usefulness of a gadget is irrelavent as long as the public buys them. Some tennis shoes are still over $100, right?

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    1. Re:90% marketing by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The usefulness of a gadget is irrelavent as long as the public buys them.

      Keep in mind that you'll only be selling them up until your competitor makes a more useful version. Anyone remember that the Rio player used to be king before the iPod came along?

      Make it useful. Your pocketbook will thank you in the long term.

    2. Re:90% marketing by sg3000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's more than marketing. If it were just marketing, we wouldn't have grocery stores any longer; we'd all be using that home delivery service that Whoopi Goldberg was plugging to pay $10 for a six pack of coke.

      Marketing can make people aware of a new type of product or make people aware of a problem they didn't know they had before (this was really successful back in the early 1900s when razor companies convinced American women they had to shave their legs and armpits), but it's not the only problem.

      It seems to me that what is successful (for the products they showed) is related to a simple, distinctive product that offers something tangible. The iPod can play music and store a lot more than Walkmans. You actually pay for it, so you know what you get. When you buy a song on ITMS, you buy it; not you have the right to listen to it until you stop paying your bill. This is why Apple's ITMS was more successful than the other record companies' earlier attempts.

      They talked about satellite radio not being as popular. I think the problem is you have to buy the product (the head unit), plus get a subscription. Barriers of entry are high, and then its one more bill that you pay every month. With DVRs (which are cool, but didn't get adopted as fast as DVDs), many consumers aren't quite sure what they're getting because the category and pricing schemes aren't able to overcome the idea of just going to the store and buying a DVD. Aha! Tangible.

      Because of subscriptions and other ways of extracting reoccurring sources of revenue from the consumer, it's the business model that drives product adoption just as much as marketing.

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    3. Re:90% marketing by ultrasound · · Score: 1

      Do you mean like this one

    4. Re:90% marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rio is still king. And I will be laughing when those iPod users shake their little devices right into HD head crash hell. *insert evil laugh here*

    5. Re:90% marketing by proj_2501 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That proves nothing except that Slashdot submitters and editors can't spell "competitor".

    6. Re:90% marketing by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      well, make it desirable.

      making it useful is just one way to make a product desirable, if you make it hip and cool and religiously(fashion can be one) compatible.

      that's how you get people to buy a pair of tennis shoes for 1000$+.

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    7. Re:90% marketing by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 1

      You are presuming that $100 tennis shoes are not a cost effective investment. One could however make the argument that $100 tennis shoes are useful because of the social advantages gained by owning such a status symbol.

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    8. Re:90% marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you can get cheap knock-offs and lie about how much you spent. (Of course, only when asked!) And save money.

    9. Re:90% marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "One could however make the argument that $100 tennis shoes are useful because of the social advantages gained by owning such a status symbol."

      That same social advantage can easily be turned into a disadvantage. But i see what your point is.

    10. Re:90% marketing by Kenja · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In my opinion the iPod is a perfect example of marketing over features. Face it, the iPod has fewer features then players with a lower price, people buy it because they dont even know that the Rios etc are out there.

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    11. Re:90% marketing by oliverthered · · Score: 4, Interesting

      1: the dvd.... people were pissed off with tapes jaming and pops and hisses on vinal. They liked the compact medium and durability of cd. DVD was ripe for the picking, it had already been sold when they sold the CD.
      For next gen (bluRay/holodisk) to take of there will either have to be a huge improvement in quality, drop in cost, or some other compelling reason to switch.
      (how may music albums are sold on dvd?)

      2:... Satalite radio, never heard of it, sounds crap, I have an Ipod with shite loads of music, I have internet radio piss off I'm not buying that crap.

      3: Ipod £200, a bit expensive, I'm going to wait for the price to come down. Maybe I'll get a pda.

      Top tip if you want to make a few bucks. Ipod x ICE (in car entertainment).

      1 micro pc case (£40)
      1 mothor board (£40)
      1 100 gb hdd drive (£50)
      1 amp or two (£80)
      1 display, 1 wifi usb card. (unknown)

      ~£300, or about the same price as a crap incar multi change unit with mp3 support.

      If it runs linux then...

      You should be able to link up usb or bluetooth to you phone for hands free.

      Link to you ipod, portable mp3 player, usb keyring etc..

      Link to the house, or another car, or the internet with WiFi.

      Add a usb CD drive if you like, inface add just about any usb device you can think of.

      It's a killer because:

      It's the same price as current munti changer systems.,

      It's interoperable (try mixing and matching current ICE components).

      Current systems in the market are crap.

      Mp3 playes are just taking off.

      Do it well, and no-one will have a standard radio or cd/tape player in the car in 5 years time.

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    12. Re:90% marketing by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The iPod has fewer features, thus it's easier to use, thus it's more useful, thus more people buy it. More features == better is a logical fallacy.

    13. Re:90% marketing by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1
      For next gen (bluRay/holodisk) to take of there will either have to be a huge improvement in quality, drop in cost, or some other compelling reason to switch.

      Drop in Cost? Whoa! Hold on there, sparky. If you drop the cost from the approximately $20 we pay for a DVD movie today, that will hurt the profit margins. That would mean all of the incredibly important Hollywood people, like: publicists, lawyers, agents, hair & makeup artists, personal trainers, executive producers, marketers, graphic designers, executive assistants and best boys; would end up either taking pay cuts, Or, they'd end up losing their jobs.

      Sorry, a drop in the cost is OUT of the question. In fact, it's a miracle that the price isn't HIGHER than $20 a movie. All of those people add value to your entertainment experience. You should pay more!

    14. Re:90% marketing by jbrader · · Score: 1

      I think it's a little wierd that you consider shoes to be gadgets

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    15. Re:90% marketing by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1
      You are presuming that $100 tennis shoes are not a cost effective investment. One could however make the argument that $100 tennis shoes are useful because of the social advantages gained by owning such a status symbol.

      That, and the fact that they make me jump higher and run faster, hell, $100 is a bargain!

    16. Re:90% marketing by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      And then there are those who play with themselfs at night, just for fun.

      Seriously, try it, you won't go blind and it's loads of fun trying to find good free porn. much more fun than Shrek 2.

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    17. Re:90% marketing by Short+Circuit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You could have millions of features on a device as long as it's easy to use.

      IMO, the iPod's biggest advantage is its simple hardware interface combined with a menu system. You could easily pack more features under an "Advanced" menu, and the physical layout wouldn't have to change at all.

    18. Re:90% marketing by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The 90% marketing thing doesn't seem to have anything to do with the body of the post, but I agree with the post and not the subject.

      The post implies that culture of the market depends on the "hype" of the product. And I agree with this. Yes, I assume there are tennis shoes that go for $100 or so. Currently, I am wearing a pair of sandles that I found at a music festival after I lost my flipflops in the mud :) However, I own an HDTV that I paid over $1,500 for. I would guess a younger, more jock type of person would pay $100 for the tennis shoes ($5 for the shoes and sweatshop labor for the shoe, and $95 to the thug athlete who's name is on the shoe). However, a geek like me is paying $1,500 for a TV that could be purchased for $100 or so (about 700 for the TV, and a good percentage of the money going to pay for engineers, etc like me for the TV).

      My point being that culture determines the maket, this culture can be influenced by marketing via ads and whatnot, but take another example -- cell phones.

      Here in the US, we can't figure out why there are phones with cameras, text messaging, etc. Most everyone I know has a cell phone. I can't think of any of them that have a camera phone. The only time I've seen or heard of anyone get text messages here is when a friends phone got spambombed with porn text messages until her phone's memory was full.

      I saw on TV where Avril Lavine was doing a tour in Japan, and _everyone_ had a cellphone with a camera in it and they were all taking pictures of the girl with their phones up in the air as far as their arm would reach. I understand that in Japan text messages are used for things other than porn spambombs.

      Marketing has to preach to the choir. I don't think that marketing has convinced that senor citizens here in the US "need" a 4x4 suv to drive 25mph to church and to visit their grandkids, I think its more culture.

    19. Re:90% marketing by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      2:... Satalite radio, never heard of it, sounds crap, I have an Ipod with shite loads of music, I have internet radio piss off I'm not buying that crap.

      I know someone who's had it for a while. (And he preferred paying its subscription cost to paying child support.)

      3: Ipod £200, a bit expensive, I'm going to wait for the price to come down. Maybe I'll get a pda.

      I don't know of any PDAs that have multi-GB storage. For a large collector, using them as a music player would be silly. If you were thinking of getting a PDA for its address book, task lists, etc., then you're dealing with an irrelevant need.

      Top tip...5 years time.

      They've got similar items, that have been featured on Slashdot in the past. The whole unit fits where your radio would normally go. I haven't seen any in the wild yet, and it's been a few years.

    20. Re:90% marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw a TV show talking about differences between poor urban and middle-class suburban people. One of the most striking things to me was the poorer urban people paid 10x as much for clothes because it was considered very important to look like you have money.

    21. Re:90% marketing by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      "They've got similar items, that have been featured on Slashdot in the past. The whole unit fits where your radio would normally go. I haven't seen any in the wild yet, and it's been a few years."

      You can get them, £500, propriotry.

      Why would you want it where the old radio goes, why not hide it somewhere where it's not going to get stolen.

      You can get PDA's with Compac Flash and SD, a sony microdrive's go upto well over 1GB, and SD cards go upto 1GB.

      That's enough for a portable device, about 200 tracks, 15hours, and easly swapable for another card. Now If I get mobile broadband (3g) I can just pull the any new music I want from my 1TB at home and store it on my measly 1gb portable storage. I can now use solid state memory that doesn't fuck up whe I drop it or go for a bungy jump.

      Incedently you can get pub juke boxes that claim to have more than a million tracks. Lets say they have a 1tb of hdd, that's only 1mb per track which means they must be streaming of the internet, or be playing at drunken quality.

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    22. Re:90% marketing by Mikeydude750 · · Score: 0

      However, all the devices I've seen do not do that. They seem to cater to the nerd crowd...the ones that don't mind searching through various levels of menus and hard-to-use options just to get the settings just right.

      While that is just fine for the /. crowd...there are a lot more people who DON'T want to do this. They want a device that just works. They don't want OGG support, nor do they want 50 different settings that control the exact levels for each frequency. They want a device that they can pick up, press a button or two, scroll a bit, and find the song they want to play. They also don't want a clunky device that has a lot of buttons. The iPod is perfect in this respect. Nice, small, sleek, and a nice wheel with 4 buttons, one to a side(How could you think of anything more intuitive than that?)...that's all that people really want, and they will pay extra for it.

      I bought a 3G 20 GB iPod back in January, but if I were given the chance to do it over again, I would make the same choice.

    23. Re:90% marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Marketing can make people aware of a new type of product or make people aware of a problem they didn't know they had before (this was really successful back in the early 1900s when razor companies convinced American women they had to shave their legs and armpits)...

      You mean marketting actually resulted in something good?!? Thank god (your preference) for marketting!

    24. Re:90% marketing by Bender_ · · Score: 1

      ~£300 ... and in real money that is?

    25. Re:90% marketing by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      They want a device that they can pick up, press a button or two, scroll a bit, and find the song they want to play. They also don't want a clunky device that has a lot of buttons.

      The interface was the basis of my point. You could scroll down to "Advanced", and choose whatever feature you need.

      Vorbis support should be completely transparent to the user...it's just another audio file.

    26. Re:90% marketing by iantri · · Score: 2, Insightful
      However, a geek like me is paying $1,500 for a TV that could be purchased for $100 or so (about 700 for the TV, and a good percentage of the money going to pay for engineers, etc like me for the TV
      That's a bit different, isn't it? There are clear, measurable tangible benefits between an HDTV and a regular set. I think a better analogy would be to buy a $4,000 Sony HDTV set instead of a $1,500 JVC HDTV set because Sony is 'better'.
    27. Re:90% marketing by JThundley · · Score: 1

      Not playing half my music collection is not a feature that makes an ipod easier to use. I'd never trade anything for an ipod.

      (and yes I do encode everything to ogg)

    28. Re:90% marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forming arguments with analogies is like trying to compare picking chiggers out of old sweatsocks when your fingernails are chewed to the nub and eating corn on the cob with a pitchfork.

      Also, you truncated or entirely missed my argument. I was comparing that my free shoes to a $100 pair of shoes, and a $100 TV set and a $1,500 TV set. It was not really an analogy, it was a comparison between a cheap thing (free shoes, and a $100 tv set) and an expensive thing ($100 shoes, and a $1,500 HDTV). It also was not the things that were important, but rather the cultural difference. I cannot justify buying a $100 pair of tennis shoes even though I could afford them, they are something that has no value to me, whereas an expensive TV does have value to me, and that value is based on culture, not the things themselves.

      Posting anonymously because this is a silly thread to go with, and I'm done with it.

    29. Re:90% marketing by Epistax · · Score: 1

      ...(this was really successful back in the early 1900s when razor companies convinced American women they had to shave their legs and armpits)...

      Thank god.

    30. Re:90% marketing by POTN_Geezer · · Score: 1

      Dont forget your power supply or inverter... 12V car battery will need transforming back to 240V.

    31. Re:90% marketing by jo42 · · Score: 1

      > because of the social advantages gained by owning such a status symbol

      Bingo! You've hit the nail right on the head. Vanity will make people piss their money away like there is no tomorrow. How shallow modern civilization has become.

    32. Re:90% marketing by jo42 · · Score: 1

      Or, being the intelligent geek, you go to a store that has all the various plasma, LCD and CRT wide-screen HDTV sets hooked up to a good HDTV source and see for yourself. Then, you end up buying the Sony (widescreen WEGA CRT-based set) because it did indeed have the best picture of them all... :p

    33. Re:90% marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      buy a $4,000 Sony HDTV set instead of a $1,500 JVC HDTV set because Sony is 'better'.

      Because Sony IS better. Don't know about $2500 better, but it's definitely better. Like people saying a $50 DVD player is the same as a $500 DVD player. They both play DVDs, and it's digital, so it all looks the same, right? Well, no, and the difference is very apprent on a HDTV or a good quality properly configured regular TV.

    34. Re:90% marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you==everyone then?

    35. Re:90% marketing by Knetzar · · Score: 1

      I hate to say it, but when I got my iPod here was no other mp3 player that was as small that also had over 5 gb of space. Since I was looking for something for when I workout and go on trips, those two aspects are what I cared most about.

      The iPod is a good product, I don't understand why some people feel the need to bash it.

    36. Re:90% marketing by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > So, you==everyone then?

      More like you=failed logic class.

      He said "I," implying he spoke for himself.

  3. Patents by essreenim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which technologies will become part of everyday life in the future?
    'Which patents will prevent certain technology (and as a result promote others) and become part of everyday life in the future.

    1. Re:Patents by stratjakt · · Score: 2

      Wah wah patents.

      Patents aren't nearly as bad as slashdotters make them out to be. Even software patents.

      Why? They expire. Relatively quickly. As in, within my lifetime.

      Bezos can keep his one-click patent, milk it for all it's worth, because he's only got a couple years left.

      In 7 years anyone can make an iPod, complete with it's little jog wheel. And so on, and so on.

      Patent law isn't nearly as fucked up as copyright law. It's fucked up, sure, but it's really not that bad.

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    2. Re:Patents by essreenim · · Score: 1

      They expire. Relatively quickly. As in, within my lifetime
      I don't want to wait a lifetimefor new technology.
      In 7 years anyone can make an iPod
      I don't want to wait 7 years for innovation in the handheld mp3 player (iPod dominated) market..
      Patent law isn't nearly as fucked up as copyright law.
      Yes, copyright policy also sucks. They are all part of that generic inefficient thing we call capitaism. The default dead-head response to this is: "Is there a better substitute to capitalism?" F*£@ yeah. there sure f****** is.

    3. Re:Patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yes, copyright policy also sucks. They are all part of that generic inefficient thing we call capitaism.

      Not to me. Capitalism is

      An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.

      This says nothing about government rules saying who can make what and who has to pay who to make stuff. To me patents and copyrights are exactly the opposite for free market. We probably have the most complex government controlled economy in history.

    4. Re:Patents by drsquare · · Score: 1

      >>They expire. Relatively quickly. As in, within my lifetime
      >I don't want to wait a lifetimefor new technology.


      What has new technology got to do with existing patents? Surely new technology means inventing new things rather than using things that have already been invented?

      In 7 years anyone can make an iPod
      I don't want to wait 7 years for innovation in the handheld mp3 player (iPod dominated) market..


      Since when does 'innovation' in a market involve using other people's patented technology? I thought innovation meant inventing new things?

      "Is there a better substitute to capitalism?" F*£@ yeah. there sure f****** is.

      Cool, let's hear it.

    5. Re:Patents by essreenim · · Score: 1

      pfff
      reinvestment of profits gained ""in a free market. "" is exactly what drives government rules saying who can make what and who has to pay who to make stuff.. Dont blame me because you literally suck!
      Just gimme my flamebait mode points and be gone you fiend!

    6. Re:Patents by essreenim · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I live in Ireland.
      If I want to buy an Intel proc. it will have been half constructed in Ireland to avoid corporation tax. Then it will be built some more in Malaysia - low labour cost. Next it will go to a distribution centre somewhere in Europe (where is not so important). Then on to a wholesaler in Ireland again...I am actually leaving out many loops here Im sure - its even worse!

      So, whats wrong with this??

      For a start, this is very inefficient and waistful of resources and is exactly why you can work 60-100 hours a week with billions of others around the world doing the same to achieve very little (Admit it - nothing changes fast in this world!) . Why? Because you (probably, and I) work in a sosiety whereby (Its not important whether we do or not - billions do) your taxes and labour - basically your combined contribution to society - is NOT being spent on the greater good of society - rather it is being spent on a processor that is on a permant holiday travel around the world, taking in all the sights (and remembering sun-tan lotion) of this wonderful world. If you don't want something better you can't have it.

      So, your inevitable response:

      All this cannot be changed over night - no it can't but it can be undone over time - with change. Capitalism must be taken back into the fiery chasm from whence it came.

  4. Simple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Step 1. Get slashdot to announce your product.
    Step 2. ???
    Step 3. Profit!!!

  5. the routine by AlexTheBeast · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The hype cycle isn't just for electronics. Think about IPOs.

    Here's the referenced chart...
    hype chart

    Here's the yahoo 5 year IPO chart...
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=YHOO&t=5y&l=on&z=m &q=l&c=

    Same pathway...

    The is the pathway of ANYTHING new being introduced into the world. First, it's sexy and popular, then it's over done, and then it either levels off or dies.

    1. Re:the routine by BoldAC · · Score: 1

      Unless, of course, you are SCO. hahaha...

      DOWN, Down, down...

      Chart of SCOX...

    2. Re:the routine by dave420 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Even candy bars... start eating, and they taste great! Keep eating, and you get sick. Then, the attraction decreases rapidly, until you've not eaten them so much that they start to be tasty again, but you don't eat so many so you don't get ill.

      ok, maybe I think about candy too much.

    3. Re:the routine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, Peter Lynch! Try this one...

    4. Re:the routine by halothane · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I second that. I don't have an online reference, but if any of you can get your hands on a textbook "Clinical Pharmacology" by DR Lawrence, you will find a similar graph plotting the popularity of any new drug that is introduced into clinical practice.

      First, it is the panacea for every disease under the sun; then it becomes evil incarnate for all the side effects and adverse effects it causes. Finally, it finds its place in the spectrum of known drugs, with its own benefits and risks.

    5. Re:the routine by dominiv · · Score: 1
      And remember, today there is a new financial results conference call (see this link)

      Can' wait for the effect on the stock. Sadly, it's after the closing of the markets (wonder why that is :-) )

  6. Before something is hyped... by thrill12 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it must be researched, developed, tested, and proven. Proven technology like MP3 could never have evolved if Fraunhofer wasn't so wise to invent and release the technology. From thereon, it went it's own way (more or less) and evolved into what MP3 is now : mainstream and accepted.
    Before all those people leap into the "why does this work and why this not" they should start at the bottom: research and development. With those two magic words, we are likely to see a whole lot of hypes more. Without it, we can just wait on the next company that goes bankrupt because noone would buy it's proven, but old, products...

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    1. Re:Before something is hyped... by dave420 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It became popular because it did something nothing else did. It allowed us to compress audio on our PCs/macs/whatever relatively fast, and let us play it back, also relatively fast, and leaving us with a small-ish file. There wasn't anything else out there that could do it. Now, you get lots of products that do exactly what another product does, but slightly similar, and everyone bitches when it isn't supported, or conversely everyone bitches when it makes an appearance on the scene. It seems, on a technical level only, that something has to do something tangibly different before it becomes a runaway success. I think the iPod was helped a lot because of its design. True, it's a first-class mp3 player, but its design is what made it really appealing. Initially, it was its size (the nearest HDD player was MASSIVE compared). I guess the publicity it got from that elevated its appeal to the mass market, and it went off from there. .ogg audio, on the other hand, does exactly what MP3 does, the only difference being the ideology behind its creation (the licenses don't affect end users, even if mp3 is a licensed technology - no-one notices), which simply isn't enough to make people jump ship. That's why .ogg support on MP3 devices isn't as great as ogg users would want, yet is something unnoticed by those who don't own any .ogg files.

      damn I ramble on a lot.

    2. Re:Before something is hyped... by essreenim · · Score: 1

      it must be researched, developed, tested, and proven. Proven technology like MP3 could never have evolved if Fraunhofer wasn't so wise to invent and release the technology.
      I have to disagree. Fraunhoffers codec was great, but with hard discs having the high capacity they do now and at a reasonablr price, you could put every song you wanted on a hard drive in raw .wav form. You would be guaranteed to have top quality songs. Fraunhoffer also imposes royalties as you probably know. Ogg Vorbis is an alternative. MP3 is a classic example of hype.

    3. Re:Before something is hyped... by proj_2501 · · Score: 1

      Ogg Vorbis wasn't even created until 1998, and didn't have a stable release until 2002. Meanwhile, MP3 was ready to go and spreading quickly. Sure it had hype, but it also didn't have any competition.

      As for keeping every song you could ever want uncompressed on one hard drive? Maybe if I could afford a 1TB hard drive...

    4. Re:Before something is hyped... by essreenim · · Score: 1

      Good point but:
      Maybe if I could afford a 1TB hard drive...
      I really dont think thats far away at all. I forsee cheap 10-100tb drives within 10 years... Maybe thats a foolish prediction but I doubt it!

    5. Re:Before something is hyped... by Frog+in+the+well · · Score: 1

      MP3 was so wildly successful because, it was free at that time, its the first time you can have such a huge collection of songs in your library so cheaply, most of the songs which you want to have but cannot, because either it is very difficult to get them or they are so prohibitively expensive to buy them, and the usual hassles associated with the types of media (tape, cd, etc.). With MP3, for the first time you had the chance of collecting 1000s of songs, and storing them on your harddrive, and all of this for almost "no cost".

  7. Here's the 3 step version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Post ad "article" for design engineer on Slashdot
    2) Fanboys post "articles" about your new products on Slashdot, designed by engineers hired from "articles" posted on Slashdot
    3) Profit!

    Yes, the elusive step 2 in the profit scheme is as simple as posting on Slashdot. It works for Apple, blog spammer Roland Piquepaille, and it can work for you too!

  8. Future or Furniture? by dgp · · Score: 1

    "Some of the best known innovations, like the net, have swiftly become part of the furniture for millions,..."

    I've tried to interpret that in different contexts but nothing works out. part of the Furniture? I think their editors were alseep.

    1. Re:Future or Furniture? by cecille · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sometimes we call the grad students (and some undergrads) who hang around WAY too long the "furniture" because they last so long and they're such an integral part of everything. Could be like that.

      ...or not

      --
      ...no two people are not on fire.
    2. Re:Future or Furniture? by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think what they mean is that the net is now utterly and completely commonplace. Ten years ago you could tell someone "I can chat with Norway!" and they wouldn't believe you, but now you say "I'm on the net!" and it's as exciting as saying "I own a couch!"

    3. Re:Future or Furniture? by farnz · · Score: 4, Informative
      It's a British usage; anything that's "part of the furniture" is so accepted that you don't notice it specifically.

      So, having a sofa isn't something special, and nor is being on the Internet. Owning an iPod is, thus the iPod is not part of the furniture.

    4. Re:Future or Furniture? by kfg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here, this might help:

      Furniture Definition

      Yes, people actually furnish themselves and their homes with an internet connection.

      Once one understands what furniture actually means it is also easier to understand the metphorical phrase "become part of the furniture."

      KFG

    5. Re:Future or Furniture? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Utility" would fit better than furniture.

      I'll just go with the "necessary saddle-horse equipment" definition.

    6. Re:Future or Furniture? by kfg · · Score: 1

      "Utility" would fit better than furniture.

      Utility Definition

      As it happens something may be both furniture and a utility.

      KFG

  9. The next big thing? by east+coast · · Score: 2, Funny

    With the trends I would have guessed that the double beer hat would have been big.

    I guess if I came up with some technobabble name for it and claimed that NASA had something to do with it's construction it'd sell big.

    --
    Dedicated Cthulhu Cultist since 4523 BC.
    1. Re:The next big thing? by LilMikey · · Score: 1

      I guess if I came up with some technobabble name for it and claimed that NASA had something to do with it's construction it'd sell big.

      That's the old way of making a piece of crap cool. Now you just paint it white and put a half eaten apple on it. Then the prentitious will flock to it like bees on honey... I'm just bitter 'cause I can't afford an iBook.

      --
      LilMikey.com... I'll stop doing it when you sto
  10. Bundling. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Personal video recorders are moving so quickly because they are being built into practically every box that does digital TV in the US."

    What is the effect of bundling, on bringing a product out of the trouth of disillusionment?

  11. Get teens to accept it by MacFury · · Score: 1, Insightful
    1. Get pop stars to wear it or use it...

    2. Roll around in your new found wealth

    *sigh*

    1. Re:Get teens to accept it by simcop2387 · · Score: 1

      you forgot steps 3 and 4

      3. ???
      4. Profit!

    2. Re:Get teens to accept it by Ayaress · · Score: 1

      It sort of makes rolling around in money pointless if you do it before profit, though.

  12. In a nutshell by CodeMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. Get a new technology that has not matured yet.
    2. Apply it to a maturing retail area (see iTunes and the music market).
    3. Packaging and usability is king if you want to get the mass audience (and no - slashdot readers are NOT the mass audience!)
    4. Profit!

    (5. Putting the little apple logo on it usually helps jump a few steps in the process...)

    Get your free iPod![it really works! - my buddy got his after I signed up, I have just 2 more referrals to go...]

  13. iPod Hype Cycle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The iPod is a wonderful piece of drool-worthy hardware, but mp3 playing and players were well entrenched before iPod showed up. I can maybe buy the iTunes angle but another 'iPod changes the world slant' is hardly enlightening.

    1. Re:iPod Hype Cycle by mccalli · · Score: 4, Interesting
      ...but mp3 playing and players were well entrenched before iPod showed up

      Not so. They existed, certainly, but well-entrenched? Not really. And only one had anything like enough storage to hold more than a single album (the Nomad, which I seem to remember was first). And even then, the ones that had capacity had nowhere near the correct form factor.

      I know all of this, because I'd been trying to justify getting an MP3 player for month, but couldn't bring myself to do it because I knew that whilst technologically pretty, they were functionaly useless. Then the iPod came out and I knew immediately I wanted one. Could easily fit in a pocket, and could hold a ton of music? Yep - the first of the players to be truley functional. I only had a Windows PC at the time and there was no way for them to talk. I bought an original 5Gig iPod the same day XPlay hit beta.

      Oh, and I've since gone to OS X too, returning to Apple after a gap of about seven years. It's up for debate how much of the iPod's quality acted as a trojan horse there.

      Cheers,
      Ian

    2. Re:iPod Hype Cycle by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      And only one had anything like enough storage to hold more than a single album (the Nomad, which I seem to remember was first).

      I think you're confusing the Rio with Creative's iPod-like Nomad. The current Nomad has a hard drive that can hold thousands of songs.

    3. Re:iPod Hype Cycle by phazethru · · Score: 1
      This seems a good a place as any to ask.

      Can an iPod stand up to being dropped, shaken like heck when I jog, and basically treated like crap?

      The iPods are quite sexy, but I really beat the bejeezus out of my old rio, and was considering getting a new rio becuase I know that they're tough.

      I know iPod beats all in capacity, but for rugged music on the go, what's the best place to look?

      --
      "I am the Black Mage! I casts the spells that makes the peoples fall down!" ~8BT
    4. Re:iPod Hype Cycle by Baseclass · · Score: 1
      My 6GB Archos Jukebox 6000, although a brick by todays standards,
      proved incredibly functional as an MP3 player and portable USB drive alike.

      It finally broke a couple of weeks ago :(
      I guess it's time to start looking again.

      --
      ^^vv<><>BA
    5. Re:iPod Hype Cycle by Mikeydude750 · · Score: 0

      Two different markets. No person who respects their money at all and does a lot of rough work would buy a hard drive based player...that's the flash drive market.

      However, flash drives are simply not big enough to hold someone's whole music collection(excluding those of you who have 100 GB of music...how the hell do you end up listening to all of that, anyway?), so that's where the hard drive players come in.

  14. Easy but expensive to shortcut by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The "technology hype cycle" is fairly easy to shortcut if you have independent testers *use* the product instead of just releasing it to the market. For example, anyone who *used* the Audrey for any period of time could have told you that it would be a complete flop. It was underpowered, slow, and overall useless. OTOH, Apple made sure that people (especially Jobs himself) *used* the iPod before release. Changes were made based on that usage, and the product was better for it.

    Of course, that's no guarantee of success. It's quite possible that the product will fail because people don't "get it". In that case you have to watch what your focus groups do. Do they sort of bumble with the thing, with no idea what they're doing? Would they actually keep using it if they weren't forced to? Do they make use of most of the features, or do they ignore them? Most of this can be found by quiet observation of the user with the device. Don't answer questions. Just let them figure it out.

    If there's little that can be done about the complexity, then you're going to need a good advertising campaign. Manuals will help, but they only come *after* the purchase. It's much better to explain why they need the device before purchase so that they'll jump right in with the designed goals in mind.

  15. It's not just technology by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article:

    "Something new would happen, there would be tremendous excitement, followed by disillusionment."

    Sounds like the entire course of human history to me.

    --
    Weaselmancer
    rediculous.
    1. Re:It's not just technology by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      Thanks, that's exactly what I thought. Typical buzzword stuff when consultants want to sell new methodologies to managers who have too little time to think about it. The "hype cycle" is really very obvious, and there are other life cycles that look exactly the same.

      Now what I would pay Gartner for is what the /. blurb erroneously said they had done: predicting what it take[s] for a new gadget to be successful on the market. The hype cycle only shows where a product is in the cycle. It does not explain why some products stay in the trough.

      --
      "When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
    2. Re:It's not just technology by Ayaress · · Score: 1

      Then, the real applications come years or decades down the road, often from completely other sources.

      Sort of like the wheel. I'm sure it was a very exciting thing at the time, but we really didn't get around to getting full use of it until the last five hundred years or so, and it's really took off with the advent of the internal combustion engine.

      That's what I have to say to the people who criticize research on quantum computing and space elevators and such. Sure, its not going to turn a profit by next quarter, and I won't be in the least suprised if the companies working on it now never see a dime from it, but the applications will come, eventually, when we have the "engines" to go with them. We can already imagine many of the applications, and if there's one thing history has shown us, its that our imaginations are woefully inadaquate.

  16. this will succeed ! by phreakv6 · · Score: 2, Funny

    A gadget with 256 MB usb,bluetooth,wifi,a screw driver, a nail file [ geeks definitely need one ],
    scissors,a GPS,LCD screen,mp3 player,cellphone and a pda...
    did i miss something ?

    --
    fifteen jugglers, five believers
    1. Re:this will succeed ! by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 2, Funny

      ``A gadget with 256 MB usb,bluetooth,wifi,a screw driver, a nail file [ geeks definitely need one ],
      scissors,a GPS,LCD screen,mp3 player,cellphone and a pda...
      did i miss something ?''

      Why, Ogg Vorbis support, of course.

      --
      Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
    2. Re:this will succeed ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what about FLAC support? That format owns.

    3. Re:this will succeed ! by phazethru · · Score: 1

      More than 5 minutes of battery life

      --
      "I am the Black Mage! I casts the spells that makes the peoples fall down!" ~8BT
    4. Re:this will succeed ! by Pranjal · · Score: 1

      did i miss something ?

      Yeah! Does it run Linux?

  17. Caw! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It also helps to have a foot in the door... companies that already have a good relationship with a big box store like Wal-Mart would be more likely to swing deals. For example, they could get priority placement in Wal-Mart stores by the cash as "impulse buy" items. Of course it depends on the type of product, but existing ties to industry make it difficult for the new guy to get into the game.

    Why do you think the iPod is the most popular and well-known HD MP3 player around? Big advertising budget and good store placement. It may not be the best thing (I contest that my iRiver iHP-120 is far superior), but it's the "gadget to get" for people who don't care to look into how other items stack up.

    1. Re:Caw! by cecille · · Score: 1

      well, that and the sweet amount of storage. I went MP3 player shopping the other day and the majority of the players were 128 or 256 Mb. Granted, the iPod is like 4x the price, but for 20gigs as compared to 128mb? totally worth it.

      --
      ...no two people are not on fire.
    2. Re:Caw! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What he said, the ipod is for people who don't bother to check out the competition. Most manufacturers of USB memory keys have also larger models with hard drive storage and the consequent multi-gigabyte capacity.

    3. Re:Caw! by Knetzar · · Score: 1

      my roommate got an iRiver a few months after I got my iPod.
      His iRiver had trouble accessing the harddrive a few months after that, and tech support kept him on hold for over 30min multiple times (he assumed it wouldn't be that long so he called before having to go to class). Eventually it started working again, and then tech support started answering calls (funny how that works, isn't it?)

      Simply put...I'd never get an iRiver...
      but I am curious, did anyone else have problems with an iRiver, either the hardware or the support line?

  18. Future or Furniture?-iFurniture. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they were speaking metaphorically? The internet is at the level of acceptance that it does indeed blend in. Much like furniture.

  19. Endorsement by NorthernMinx · · Score: 1

    The majority of people are followers... the key is to get endorsement to hype the "cool factor". Once you have the "cool factor", the followers will line-up!

    1. Re:Endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find your ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

    2. Re:Endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      martinalderson@gmail.com can help you.

    3. Re:Endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funniest running gag ever. Hope it goes beyond this thread.

  20. Watch out, earlier slashdot reference!! by foshizzlemynizzle · · Score: 0

    HMMMM, by my calculations, an XM PCR will be about 5000$ dollars by then and you obviously will need ebay to sell it at the ludicrus rate. So those two will obviously prevail.

    Donuts, is there anything they can't do?

  21. Shiny parts... by cplusplus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lots and lots of shiny pieces. Or smooth pieces. Shiny + smooth = success.
    I think there's some truth to that. If Gadget A catches your eye and is aesthetically pleasing it will probably sell better than an uglier but more functional Gadget B.
    Apple tends to blend form and functionality rather well.

    --
    "False hope is why we'll never run out of natural resources!" - Lewis Black
    1. Re:Shiny parts... by cplusplus · · Score: 0

      Heh. Replying to my own comment. That's sad, much like having a conversation with one's self.
      Apple's iPod is doing well because it looks great, performs great, and gets the last part of the equation right- price. I think Apple as computer manufacturer would have a larger market share now if they could have done something about the price several years ago. Their products have always been innovative in design and functionality, but their "go-it-alone" approach to everything drove up the cost of their products.
      So... I guess my revise crappy equation for gadget success is (shiny + smooth - price) = success.

      --
      "False hope is why we'll never run out of natural resources!" - Lewis Black
  22. So what's after the "Plateau of Productivity"? by Maestro4k · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I noticed the chart ends at the "Plateau of Productivity" but that isn't where all technology ends. Just look at things such as phonographs (you can barely find them anymore). On a more pertinent note the Internet seems to be going a bit downhill from that plateau thanks to spam, popup ads, malware, virus, worms, etc.

    So while it's an interesting article I don't think they've accounted for everything or, more likely, they don't want to talk about the next step which is probably a slow (or fast) death for technology which is ursurped by the next new thing. Also while the idea seems to be this "Hype Cycle" can help predict the path of a technology the article itself throws cold water on that idea. They readily admit the iPod threw off all their predictions for the Mp3 player market (now called simple digital music players). The hype cycle seems more of a hindsight tool than a forward looking predictor.

    1. Re:So what's after the "Plateau of Productivity"? by sec · · Score: 1

      I noticed the chart ends at the "Plateau of Productivity" but that isn't where all technology ends. Just look at things such as phonographs (you can barely find them anymore).

      Quite correct. The last stage is generally obsolescence, and in this stage the mention of the technology imparts an air of quaintness.

      It's funny you should mention phonographs, though, because it illustrates another phase, after obsolescence, that some technologies go through. I call it the 'retro-elitist revival'. In this stage, the technology gets a small but vocal contingent of proponents who loudly proclaim that the obsolete technology is superior to the newer technology which replaced it.

      At this stage, the old technology is not available anymore, so a niche industry springs up to supply this newfound demand -- at exorbitant prices. Since few can afford or justify these prices, you now have an exclusive group that exists seemingly outside of reality, smugly assured of its own superiority, regardless of what objective tests may reveal.

      Vinyl records, and the contraptions used to play them, have achieved this status in recent years. A similar retro-elitist revival happened to vacuum tube audio equipment in the late 70's/early 80's and continues to this day.

    2. Re:So what's after the "Plateau of Productivity"? by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      actually the preference for tube based amps is founded on the fact that they have a different sound than Transistor amp and they don't saturate harshly the way a transistor amp does.

      --
      Snowden and Manning are heroes.
  23. Apple knows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...they just copied one of the dozen or so MP3 players on the market before them. But they made it white, and put a wheel on it (which they stole from the car audio world). Innovation in action!

    1. Re:Apple knows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Noos! Yuor'e wrong! Apple was the frist!

    2. Re:Apple knows... by thinkzinc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. They just made the mp3 player more stylish and inproved the interface. This was important but they were certanly not the first company to make an mp3 player. In time the copycats will win the war by underpricing Apple.

    3. Re:Apple knows... by Ayaress · · Score: 1

      When I first heard about HP making their own versin of the iPod, I was expecting them to sell it cheaper. I'm a bit confused that they're selling it at the same price. I mean, what's the difference?

      I still like Penny Arcade's joke about the iPod:
      "The iPod doesn't skip!"
      "Neither does this. It's cusioned by $380 cash!"

      I love mine, but the relative who bought it for me last Christmas spent WAY too much.

  24. Consider yourself part of the furniture! by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    ./~ Consider yourself- at home.
    Consider yourself- one of the familhy.
    We've taken to you- so strong.
    It's clear
    we're
    going to get along.
    Consider yourself- well in
    Consider yourslef- part of the furniture.
    There isn't a lot- to spare.
    Who cares?
    What
    ever we've got we share!
    ./~ </OliverTwist>

    --
    The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
  25. The Apple Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Find something that irks Steve.
    2. Build a prototype that's expensive, white, minimalist and looks really cool!
    3. Have a highly publicised launch about a month before the product is in the stores.
    4. Improve on said product year on year. Bring price down, refine.
    5. Profit!
    This is a guaranteed way to sell products. Funnily enough, if you take that hpye curve and lay it over what I mentioned above, it fits perfectly. Sony tend to use this route too...
  26. Blame the Press by plasticmillion · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I find it ironic that Gartner came up with this concept (it's been around for years, incidentally), since analysts and journalists are the ones who propagate this system.

    It goes something like this: some new technology starts to look like the next big thing. Journalists hype it to the moon since it gives them something "truly revolutionary" to talk about. As a result, expectations get all blown out of proportion.

    Then when the technology inevitably fails to live up to the hype within some ridiculously short timeframe, they have yet another big story to promote: "Is XYZ a hopeless failure?". Two stories for the price of one!

    The moral is not to believe what you read in the papers. Sure, there are plenty of revolutionary technologies emerging, but these things take much, much longer than the press would have us believe.

    1. Re:Blame the Press by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      Something revolutionary...

      This thing has started in the 70's.
      Colleges were on it from the 80's.
      Early 90's it was still fairly private, until..
      They opened it up to public use.

      Now, mail travels through it, voice and pictures travel through it..

      No, all our information travels through it.

      It is the Internet. That is revolutionary.

      --
    2. Re:Blame the Press by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The media likes to follow this pattern with lots of things, not just technology. A great example is how they will hype up celebrities to no end, but will also later relish in the same celebrities' decline and fall, using that as a source of endless stories as well.

      --
      I'd rather be lucky than good.
    3. Re:Blame the Press by Ayaress · · Score: 1

      Sure, there are plenty of revolutionary technologies emerging, but these things take much, much longer than the press would have us believe.

      I'd made another comment something along these lines: The world is too keyed to the quarterly report. Projects that go for two or three years without turning a profit or producing research material have a sad tendancy to get the axe.

      Projects like the supercollider, space elevators, and quantum computing, space travel (especially manned), and so forth are heavily criticized, and it's almost impossible to explain to people the benefits we stand to gain from any of them, partially because many of those benefits we won't live to see.

      The example I used in the other post was the wheel. When it first came around, it wasn't that much better than just heaping stuff on the back of an ox. It got more useful as time went by, but it really didn't hit its stride for thousands of years, and it finally came into universal use with the advent of the internal combustion engine, which eventually made wheel applications superior to nonwheel applications (horses, oxen, dogsleds) in virtually all situations.

      Another example would be the X-Prize entries. I think the companies competing for the X-Prize have more vision than nearly any other. They're spending tens of millions competing for an award that will barely begin to cover their expenses, but they see the benefits five, ten, fifty years from now - benefits that NASA promised us thirty years ago but eventually just couldn't get the funding to deliver (again, because many politicians can't see the benefits hiding in the future, and would only fund space travel as a matter of national pride). Hopefully after the prize is won, none of the serious contenders will throw in the towel, and they'll use this as what it is: A dress rehearsal for the real competition for space business in the decades ahead.

      But even the X-Prize and the business it will hopefully spawn is a limited timeframe project. I suspect that the people dedicating their lives to it will see viable spacecraft, and proabably even commercial success in their lifetimes.

      Projects like the space elevator would be immensely rewarding when completed, but at this point, we can't even be sure if we'll see large scale building techniques sufficient to meet the challenge in our lifetimes, and even then, who knows how long it would take to build one. This is the sort of building projects that could span generations, and that's something we as a species haven't done in a very long time.

      The Egyptians had religion to drive their builders to toil at projects they may never live to see finish. The Chinese had an immense and very real army roving their borders that would motivate their people to spend centuries building walls upon walls accross their country.

      We only have the promise of great rewards - expected and unimagined - of completing these projects, most of which will require technolgoies we probably haven't even dreamed of yet to really be useful. And all that's gotten us is page upon page of quantum computer and space elevator jokes. At least quantum computers are treated seriously by researchers, which is a lot mroe than can be said for the space elevator.

  27. Re: The technology hype cycle by manavendra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There was not an absolute iota of information in that article that I could make use of, or carry over with me. It smacks of absolute useless-ness, like a number of other articles

    1. A graph with different tehnologies/device listed against the time it took for them to "mature", with funny names given to each trough and crest of popularity, does not make an insightful report.

    2. There has been no mention of whose definiton of "product maturity" has been used. It is a term widely open for interpretation

    3. It is hilarious to compare the effectiveness, acceptability and market penetration of such varied products as DVD players and PDAs, and so on. There are host of factors that come into play, least of which is the sense of an inane need within the target customer segment.

    I bet that article concludes something. Though I certainly wish it was something more focused than a wannabe "we will have more power in our hands in the future"!

    --
    http://efil.blogspot.com/
  28. Easy but expensive to shortcut-Learning curve. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If there's little that can be done about the complexity, then you're going to need a good advertising campaign. Manuals will help, but they only come *after* the purchase. It's much better to explain why they need the device before purchase so that they'll jump right in with the designed goals in mind."

    Make the common, easy. Make the less common, slightly harder. Make the impossible, next years model.

  29. That's right, by 2names · · Score: 1
    but price that same shoe at $200, and you goose-egg, my friend.

    That's what happened to This little piece of equipment.

    --
    "I'm just here to regulate funkiness."
    1. Re:That's right, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      but price that same shoe at $200, and you goose-egg, my friend.

      And you WHAT?!?

  30. the routine-Slash-behaviour. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The is the pathway of ANYTHING new being introduced into the world. First, it's sexy and popular, then it's over done, and then it either levels off or dies.
    "

    Sounds like Slashdot postings graphed over time.

  31. What _really_ matters? by RsG · · Score: 5, Funny

    Porn

    No, seriously, new technology is frequently propelled forward by its capacity for smut. Show of hands: How many /.ers got broadband or upgraded their modems in order to meet more women named .jpeg or her lovely sisters .mpeg? As far as that goes it's an often overlooked fact that porno movies go back to the beginning of film. The "hype circle" is just another way of saying "lookit that, no nipple pixels!" :-)

    (And yes I realized how it's ironic to ask for a show of hands WRT porn. At least I didn't ask you to show both hands.)

    --
    Erotic is when you use a feather. Exotic is when you use the whole chicken.
    1. Re:What _really_ matters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1: Invent new technology
      2: Convince port industry they need new technology
      3: Profit!

    2. Re:What _really_ matters? by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Funny

      I also got broadband to personally email bomb making instructions to children everywhere!

    3. Re:What _really_ matters? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Actually, a lot of people have been observing that very thing over a bunch of years.

      And a lot of people have concluded that if the porn people (always looking for new markets) can't figure out HOW to make use of it, or can't figure out WHAT to use it for, then it's not going to work as a technology.

      How many of us remember grainy, orange, animations from the mid-late 80's? You know, the ones that relied on EGA graphics or whatever. These were the precursors to actually doing FMV on a computer, and only ever consisted of a video loop of a few frames anyway. You would laugh at them today.

      Of course, I'm sure someone can come up with a few examples of useful technology that have no applications to porn. But almost the entire field of computing can be co-opted for smut in one way or another.

      Scary, 'innit?

      --
      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    4. Re:What _really_ matters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scary, 'innit?

      Not really. The field of computing is mainly concerned about processing information (hence the IT departments) and porn is a form of information (mainly the pictorial type). Since many advances in computing are concerned with increasing the capacity of processing information, these advances also help out the always capacity-hungry porn industry.

      BTW, an example of useful non-porn tech: relational DBs. I'm sure porn websites can make good use of RDBMSs, but Oracle and SAP will survive just fine without them.

    5. Re:What _really_ matters? by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      When will this cliche end? Porn is *not* the reason for all technology, it just happens that VCRs and computers enabled people to view it in the privacy of their own homes instead of wearing trenchcoats to seedy theatres with sticky floors.

  32. Where's cell phones in that cycle? by objekt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And when some company comes out with the cell phone that doubles as an mp3 player (downloads songs as easily as ringtones), bye-bye iPod. Why carry two gadgets when one will do, and doesn't require a computer?

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    1. Re:Where's cell phones in that cycle? by ilsa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      when some company comes out with the cell phone that doubles as an mp3 player (downloads songs as easily as ringtones), bye-bye iPod.

      I wouldn't say it's quite as easy as having an iPod, but Nokia has multiple mp3 playing phone models. And the original N-Gage plays games too.

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    2. Re:Where's cell phones in that cycle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why carry two gadgets when one will do

      Does it count if I duct tape my ipod to my cell phone?

  33. Microsoft by karmatic · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Somehow, it seems appropriate that while I'm writing this, the Microsoft TCO of Linux ad keeps showing.

    What I think is most unfortunate is when a company hypes a product, with features people actually want, delays it, then finally releases it, but not as good as promised. Microsoft has done this in the past, but it looks like they may be taking the time to get Longhorn up to snuff.

    It will be interesting to see if Half-Life 2 lives up to the hype.
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  34. The BBC Server by CompWerks · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Has taken a /.'ing without breaking a sweat. I wonder what they are running over there?

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    1. Re:The BBC Server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This . Some of that. Some more of that.

      Now can we stop asking the same question all the time? No, of course we can't.

    2. Re:The BBC Server by CompWerks · · Score: 1

      That's some network. Sorry for the redundant question. I guess I missed the last time it was asked. Was the same question asked about the BBC servers or someone elses?

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    3. Re:The BBC Server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been pretty consistent that every time the BBC is mentioned on Slashdot, someone will say "Hey, the BBC must have a pretty decent network!"

    4. Re:The BBC Server by CompWerks · · Score: 1

      I'll make a note for future reference. - ty

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  35. Segway? by MojoRilla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sometimes, according to Ms Behrens, a technology can be so hyped it may never meet expectations.

    It seems like the Segway fits here. Vast hype, vast expectations, little impact two and a half years after introduction.

    1. Re:Segway? by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      It seems like the Segway fits here. Vast hype, vast expectations, little impact two and a half years after introduction.

      And things come and go too.

      Apple introduced the 1st pda in 1993 or somewhere around there, and noone bought them.

      Then in the couple of years before and after 2000, PDAs were very desireable devices.

      Now they are coming out of fashion.

  36. All It Takes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All it takes for hype to succeed is for good nerds to do nothing.

  37. I didn't write this, but it's appropriate by Buran · · Score: 2, Funny

    I got a good laugh out of this when I first saw it.

    Apple Product Life Cycle

  38. Step 2 by pjt33 · · Score: 1

    I think your Step 2 is "Produce some of the product before it becomes obsolete". Tough one to pull off, though.

    1. Re:Step 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I was more thinking, 'inflate price 500% of cost' could fill the gap.

  39. MSFT by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    are we still waiting for MSFT

    p.s. look at the volume activity at the bottom of the chart , it's quite high even though MSFT is flatish.

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  40. Yeah but does it run linux by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    and LCD is out. It should be oled. Also forgot the camera and game capability.

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    1. Re:Yeah but does it run linux by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1
      and LCD is out. It should be oled. Also forgot the camera and game capability.
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  41. The *TRUE* technology hype cycle by LordOfYourPants · · Score: 4, Funny

    -5 months: You "discover" a technology at a conference that no one seems to have picked up on.

    -2 months: You read about it in the newspaper 3 months later. The article is done by a guy whose speciality is discussing nothing but gadgets.

    0 months: The technology appears in stores in limited quantities, geeks foam at the mouth trying to acquire it. The girlfriends of geeks shake their head wondering why they would need it.

    2 weeks: The geeks who can't find it in stores buy it on ebay for 3x the store cost. No girlfriends to shake their head at these guys.

    1 year: Regular people begin buying the product.

    1.5 years: Mainstream newspapers report on the popularity of the product.

    2 years: Your girlfriend buys the product.

    2.5 years: Your mother finally hears about the product.

    3 years: Families begin buying the product. The product is finally mainstream.

    5 years: The product begins appearing between the shaving razors and chocolate bars at the check-out counter.

    7 years: The product/technology finally peters out and your grandmother goes around telling people that she knew it was a fad from the start (1 year ago, from her perspective).

    8 years: Slashdot reports on the product.

  42. I know pop stars by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    I know enough pop stars to know thats not the case. (well at least a couple).

    Some of them have realy bad taste, others just copy the fashion. There all molded and sold of the shelf like everything else.

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    1. Re:I know pop stars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't big enough stars if they don't get their clothes, shoes, jewelry and gadgets for free, paid by the marketing departments of suppliers hoping to get good real-life product placement. I know for a fact that you don't even need to be a pop star to get there -- some clothes shops have marketers identifying local "opinion leaders", the most extraordinary of the ordinary people on the local scene, and give them new clothes for free, hoping to make use of their trend-setting power.

  43. amazing.. techies are techies.. PHB's are PHB's... by ormoru · · Score: 0

    The article is geared more at management types than at trench tech weenies. And since when do managers want real information?? They'll just have marketing rework it for press releases anyhow. How is it with all the vaunted intelligence on here people don't notices things like that?

    Of course the techs will nit pick and say that this item was underpowered, that one wasn't 'fully functional' and this one was.. such is the way of the egghead.

    Manager types look, see a picture trend, and say "hmm.. how can i(or company) make money? how can i replicate these to map to product X.. etc."
    Which, in a way, all of the "1. x 2. x 3. Profit" posters noticed as well.. [other than some /.er might steal your idea.. why not post something real?]
    ie 1. build mini helicopter or dirigible (or steal^H^H^H^H^Hborrow from epson) 2. market as 'border patrol device' 3. profit [from (almost) limitless tax dollars and promote big brother all at the same time]!

  44. Lol, you are joking or an idiot or ... by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Lol, you are joking or an idiot or never seen either of the two techs you descibe.

    The iPod got about 40gb of music and about half an hour playtime. The phones got 32mb and about 2-3 hours playtime.

    iPod market will never be replaced by the phone market. Same reason the real hifi component market is not replaced by the boom-box market. iPod buyers will always want the extra quality that a dedicated product can give them. A gadget that tries to do everything will always end up doing all of them less.

    Two different markets.

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    1. Re:Lol, you are joking or an idiot or ... by objekt · · Score: 1

      I'm not joking. I'm forecasting a bit. Smaller storage that fits is a cell phone is on the way. iPods may be dedicated but they are not self-contained!!!!! They rely on an intemediate computer.

      Mark my words...in 2 years we'll see the rise of the cell phone + audio player; no more iPod as we know it. Evolve or die.

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    2. Re:Lol, you are joking or an idiot or ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SD flash RAM cards have capacities up to 1 Gigabyte these days and in a postage stamp sized form factor. I could imagine a cell phone that had a slot for an SD card and could play mp3s off that card.

      1 Gigabyte is a lot of mp3s.

    3. Re:Lol, you are joking or an idiot or ... by renoX · · Score: 1

      > iPod market will never be replaced by the phone market.

      I disagree: phone manufacturers have been able to embed a camera (low quality ok), but do you really think that they won't be able to embed instead mini-hard drives?

      As for the quality, which quality, the interface? the sound quality? Both should be ok (with headphone for the sound of course).

      The only problem I can foresee is the battery: people don't like to have the battery totally discharged on phones as it means they can not be joined anymore: but this can be solved with a 'reserve' dedicated to the phone functionality.

  45. How do you think of this type? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.babelcode.org

  46. word of mouth by spoonyfork · · Score: 4, Funny

    1991: "Don't call, send me an email."
    1992: "$10 for a CD? What a deal!"
    1993: "$3,000 for a 486? What a deal!"
    1994: "Check out this webpage."
    1995: "I'll be out, call my cell."
    1996: "I bought it all online."
    1997: "The number's in my PalmPilot. What? No, it's better than the Newton."
    1998: "MP3s on napster.com? No problem, I've got a cablemodem now."
    1999: "Y2K? Yeah, I've got my bunker stocked."
    2000: "Yeah, I finally got a DVD player."
    2001: "Check out my wireless network. Yeah, all the way to the patio."
    2002: "It costs more but this LCD monitor is the shiznite!"
    2003: (unemployed)
    2004: "Would you like fries with that?"

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    1. Re:word of mouth by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      1993: "$3,000 for a 486? What a deal!"

      Boy, those were the days. my $3K got me:

      -a 486DX66 with DOS (6.0?) for Doom + Windows 3.1
      -a 15" 1024x768 noname monitor (that actually lasted a long time)
      -8MB RAM for ACAD
      -2MB video card
      -2X CD-ROM
      -40MB hard disk
      -TOL Soundblaster card

    2. Re:word of mouth by spoonyfork · · Score: 1

      486DX66

      At least you got a math coprocessor. :P

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    3. Re:word of mouth by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      I used learning AutoCAD as an excuse to myself to justify the expense, so I guess it had to have one. Never did learn ACAD until much later, but I had all the Doom levels memorized!

      I'm still doing useless stuff with computers [Maxwell Smart="on"] and loving it.

  47. Californians Beware! by anubis__ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Are all the other devices essentially slaves to the PC - which is the Microsoft vision - or do the functions become spread out to smart consumer devices through the home?

    The article uses the word "slave" when referring to something dealing with technology. Attempting to read the article in California may result in you breaking county law in your locality. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/25/001425 7&tid=133&tid=103

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    1. Re:Californians Beware! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy are you ever late into that Slashdot hype cycle!

  48. You have not been reading /. recently have you? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Longhorn has been stripped. So MS is not taking the time. It has hyped technology promised it will be in the next version and then broken its promise. Just like it did every single time before.

    But hey it works. Companies delayed adopting OS/2 because MS promised that 95 was going to be so much better. People are delaying switching to Linux/BSD/OSX because MS promises longhorn will be so much better.

    This is hardly unknown in business. Harly davidson made bikes so bad they didn't even work out of the factory. Car companies have for years created models that killed people and they are still around. Air travel is the most dangerous form of transport around (the claim that it is the safest is based on distance travelled, bit mean when you can spend an hour in a car and still be in the heart of amsterdam but an airbus will be two countries away) based on trips and yet most people think it is safe.

    Surviving hype depends on how much we want the hype to be real. We want airtravel to be safe or else we wouldn't do it. It also depends on how we experience the disappointment. iPod buyers only experience it when they are in the shop and see products at half the price. Not often enough to force them to consider that the iPod is not worth the hype.

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    1. Re:You have not been reading /. recently have you? by karmatic · · Score: 1

      "We want airtravel [sic] to be safe or else we wouldn't do it."

      No, we want air travel to be safe enough for us to justify at the price we pay. Safety has a certain value to people, as does the experience (customer service, wait times, etc). As long as flying has more value to people than the money it costs to do so, people will continue to fly.

      Few things in life are _safe_ - it's just a question of how much risk you are willing to take, and how much you are willing to pay to reduce that risk.

    2. Re:You have not been reading /. recently have you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize those strategies about pre-announcing vaporware to freeze markets are illegal too. note the vaporware lawsuits the company-pressently-called-SCO launched against MSFT for this strategy.

  49. The 'Lead In' by Alpha_Traveller · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The technology hype life cycle has essentially been pioneered by Microsoft.

    1. Announce a technology "idea", that someone else pioneered, that's nowhere near complete in terms of development.
    2. Develop it for months, maybe years, producing a lull in the market.
    3. Finally release it, but in Beta.
    4. Finally complete the beta, making the thing gold while it should still be nothing more than a beta.
    5. Start "round 2" of producing a product that should still be in beta, and call it version 2.
    6. Announce version 2, three months after you decide what the feature set will be, and start working on it.
    7. continue the cycle.

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  50. Re:Easy but expensive to shortcut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So to rephrase your comment in one sentence or less... It's worthwhile to hire good usability engineers and do usability tests.

  51. Spelling... by KontinMonet · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...'successful' correctly helps a lot.

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  52. don't forget by Ba3r · · Score: 1

    1.5. Get 3rd Worlders to produce it

  53. Think bigger... by thrill12 · · Score: 1

    Common problem: you foresee something based on the knowledge of today. You have to take into equation the various attempts to increase the size of harddrives - ie. techniques to improve the density. Maybe even new ways to store data (remember the scotts-tape that was usable for data storage, holographically ?).

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  54. Hey! They missed one of the biggest hypes!! by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    How come Duke Nukem (takes) Forever isn't on the list? LOL!

  55. Production might help by !Freeky2BGeeky · · Score: 1

    How about truely releasing a product for people to buy after hyping it? An example of which would be the famed OQO that looked so promising, but has yet to materialize. (sigh) That's one item I was looking forward to.

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  56. Yesterday's news, partly correct.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This article seems more to be an exploration of how Apple has become a media darling with conventional news outlets more than anything else. A good portion of Apple's products -are- inovative, but they do not always start the race, they charge healthy margins and they certainly don't get everything right (ummm...ipod battery?)
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  57. It's called ... by CSG_SurferDude · · Score: 1

    It's Called Eating your own dog food

    There are many other links here

  58. Must Be An Article About Microsoft by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

    "BBC investigates the Techology Hype Cycle"

    "Longhorn will be the best yet!"

    "Longhorn will be out in 2003."

    "We won't be doing WinFS over the network."

    "We won't be doing WinFS".

    "Longhorn will be out in 2006."

    "We won't be doing Avalon" (next month).

    "Longhorn will be out in 2008."

    "We won't be doing Longhorn."

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  59. Biometrics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So where do you-all /.'ers figure Biometrics is on the curve?

    I'm thinking: nearing the top of the curve, about to peak then head south big-time.

    Then, a very few solutions will crawl out of the trough to the plateau. But I'm thinking this is not going to be a high plateau...?

    What will survive? Only fingerprints? Maybe facial recog? Maybe iris scanning? What about keystroke dynamics?

  60. thank god for razor salesmen in the early 1900s by flmngbrd · · Score: 0

    Marketing can make people aware of a new type of product or make people aware of a problem they didn't know they had before (this was really successful back in the early 1900s when razor companies convinced American women they had to shave their legs and armpits), but it's not the only problem.
    just think... if they hadn't done that we might have the russian woman's weight lifting team on during beer commercials and not the swedish bikini team.
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  61. There is nothing wrong with capitalism by Syncdata · · Score: 1

    If I want to buy an Intel proc. it will have been half constructed in Ireland to avoid corporation tax.
    That's not a fault of capitalism, that's a fault of government regulation/tariff.

    Then it will be built some more in Malaysia - low labour cost. Next it will go to a distribution centre somewhere in Europe (where is not so important). Then on to a wholesaler in Ireland again...I am actually leaving out many loops here Im sure - its even worse!
    I'd like to know how this is a bad thing. Chip is designed wherever. It's then mass produced in an area with a low cost of labor. It is then shipped to distibution points, to be shipped to your local computer equiptment store, where you, and hundreds of others can pick up the product. Please, improve this process. After all, the logistics of distributing millions of processors is childs play.

    Why? Because you (probably, and I) work in a sosiety whereby ... your taxes and labour - basically your combined contribution to society - is NOT being spent on the greater good of society - rather it is being spent on a processor that is on a permant holiday travel around the world, taking in all the sights.
    That chip isn't on a holiday, it is getting to it's destination in the most efficient/auditable fashion possible. Furthermore, I fail to see how my tax money is supporting Intel's shipping cost. intel needs chip shipped. Intel contracts with shipping company to ship chip in exchange for payment. Government tax money isn't going to the shipping, nor is it going to intel. If Ireland has ornerous laws set up to force companies who do business there to undergo some arcane shipping route, then perhaps you should inquire as to what government is doing.
    Please stop confusing government and capitalism. They are not the same thing. Capitalism has been with us since man first traded five apples for one pointy stick. We just call it the barter system because the cavemen in this example did not change the two things through an intermediary (CASH).

    Capitalism must be taken back into the fiery chasm from whence it came.
    Yeah, lets replace it with a system wherein your beloved government decides what gets produced, in what quantity, and who gets it! That's a much better solution! And I'm sure there will be no massive supply problems at all this time, since of course we've worked out the kinks from the LAST time we tried it.

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    1. Re:There is nothing wrong with capitalism by essreenim · · Score: 1

      My main bone is with paragrph 2 of your reply: Government tax money isn't going to the shipping, nor is it going to intel.
      Intel employees are part of their production process, and stop picking on Intel - that was just an example. AMD are exactly the same, in fact all heavy electronic industry, countless industries, services. You mentioned shipping. So whats efficient about a ship guzling oil for what is almost an eterntity as it cruises around to take advantage of cheap labour. Just because you dont pay much for something doesn't mean allot of resources were used for its production.
      If Ireland has ornerous laws set up to force companies who do business there to undergo some arcane shipping route, then perhaps you should inquire as to what government is doing. Please stop confusing government and capitalism. They are not the same thing.
      Wake up, this is how the worls operates. Your beloved capitalism is the catalyst by which all this is promoted. As for confusing government and capitaism...Please. Its governments who maintain the monster that is capitalism (lobbied by big industry and jobs..etc etc etc, blah, blah, blah)

  62. Okay it is a bet. Two years from now. by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    I have seen this prediction time and time again. No more PC, no more PDA, no more walkman, no more HI-FI components. It belongs firmly in the flying cars category.

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    1. Re:Okay it is a bet. Two years from now. by objekt · · Score: 1

      The way I see it, a cell phone should work like a radio. Listen to music all day, get an incoming call and you don't have to juggle headphones. Like what you're hearing and you can download it permanently. Or browse an equvalent to iTunes. You already pay for calls, so the payment method is no great leap. There are two staus symbol devices that all college kids want, a cell and an iPod. Carrying both and using both is a pain. See you here in 2006.

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  63. flying cars by gonaddespammed.com · · Score: 1

    flying cars, the technology of the future, a reality in five years! blah blah blah profit ?