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FCC: Broadband Usage Has Tripled Since 2001

Brainsur writes "According to Newsfactor more and more Americans are migrating to high-speed Internet service, with the number of broadband subscribers tripling in recent years, according to a comprehensive report from the Federal Communications Commission. The U.S. is making progress in delivering broadband access underserved areas, the report states. The report also says that the number of users of broadband services (speeds exceeding 200 kbps in both directions) soared to 28 million in December 2003 from 9.6 million in 2001."

154 comments

  1. not bad.. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm surprised too, that it's been that fast, but I really shouldn't be. Everyone and thier mothers now have Cox Cable for internet in my area..

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    1. Re:not bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is wickedly cool about Cox cable is they offer cable internet service that is 20 bucks year round to compete with dialup. Its only 128k and always on. I know that Comcast offers their full speed for 20 bucks for the first 3 months but anyone that they serve can get the Cox deal anytime at that price.

    2. Re:not bad.. by soluzar22 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm surprised it's been that slow. EVERYONE seems to have broadband now.

    3. Re:not bad.. by DrEldarion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm surprised that it's not faster. Once people come to the realization that what they're paying for a second phone line plus their AOL/Earthlink subscription is more than it costs for broadband, they usually switch pretty quickly.

      I wonder why the broadband providers haven't been pushing that angle.

    4. Re:not bad.. by QuickSilver_999 · · Score: 1

      Because a lot of people refuse to get a second phone line, or use their cell phone as a primary when they're online. Therefore they aren't paying for an extra phone line. So if they can get cheap internet acess for $10-15/month, they will. Or if they're newbies, they'll pop in that AOL disk.

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    5. Re:not bad.. by u-238 · · Score: 1

      What else is hella cool about Cox (I have it in Northern Virginia, near D.C.) is that ever since they switched to digital, the speed upped to 3.0 MBPS, and despite the fact that everyone and their mothers indeed do have it, they maintain the speed, always, all hours of the day, every day of the week. And with very few outages - all of which have been resolved in a matter of hours in my case.

      If this in fact is the pattern in other parts of the USA, this huge increase comes as no surprise.

    6. Re:not bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have Cox in the South and they just upped their speed to 4mbps. It actually quite fast usually any slowness is from the other end's server.

    7. Re:not bad.. by Toresica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only people who live in or near cities.

      It's not possible to get broadband in remote places - Nothern Ontario, for instance.

    8. Re:not bad.. by parliboy · · Score: 1

      They have. Among those neighbors who had dial-up, the easiest sells were those who had a second line. It was the sell for my family to kill their second line. We're going to run out of those people sooner rather than later; but we're also hitting a critical mass that lets us offer low-cost broadband to everyone else (like $25 for a 400kbps DSL)

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    9. Re:not bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When that does happen, let me know. The main reason I haven't switched is because my dial-up provider is $8.25 a month. Even after throwing in the price of a phone line, DSL / cable is still too high.

    10. Re:not bad.. by drumist · · Score: 1

      I have Cox in the South too. It's 4mbps/512kbps now, or for a little more, you can get a 5mbps/768mbps package. They also offer a cheap package (I'm thinking around $20/mo) for 128kbps/128kbps, probably to choke out any dialup providers.

    11. Re:not bad.. by True+Grit · · Score: 1

      To lazy to find the link, but a week or so ago, we had an article showing broadband(*) was just now reaching 50/50 versus dialup. So, saying "everyone" has it already, thats well, uhhhmmmm, wrong. :)

      *: Don't know what the definiton of broadband was in that survey though.

    12. Re:not bad.. by PKPerson · · Score: 1

      768mbps up?...nice

  2. In other words... by flewp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Porn has increased three-fold...

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    1. Re:In other words... by DrEldarion · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You joke, but many of the higher-profile sites are going more towards video than just pictures nowadays, and that just won't work with dialup. It's not rare to find sites with gigs upon gigs of downloadable videos.

      ...

      or so I hear.

  3. yes..... by ImTheDarkcyde · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    i can't even think of a witty comment as to how baffled i am

  4. Broadbange triplery by Takkuri · · Score: 1

    In a few weeks, I'll be one of 'em. I'm really not surprised, the increase in gaming has made computing much "cooler".

  5. There's a missing preposition that sentence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The U.S. is making progress in delivering broadband access underserved areas, the report states."

    I thought we already HAD broadband access underserved areas?

    Perhaps you meant, "The U.S. is making progress in delivering broadband access TO underserved areas, the report states."

    1. Re:There's a missing preposition that sentence! by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 1

      Delivering broadband access to "underserved" areas will not be complete as long as there are politically connected telecom companies. This is what I'm talking about.

  6. 200 kbps uplink? by ca1v1n · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A lot of people have 200+ kbps uplinks that are artificially capped in the realm of modem speeds by their ISPs. I wonder how many of these have been counted in this survey?

    1. Re:200 kbps uplink? by lphuberdeau · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A while back, my ISP had 1 mbps down and 64kbps up, now it's around 3mbps down and 640kbps up. Since it's one of the largest ISP in Canada, that change sure is part of the statistics. I wonder how many other ISPs increased the upstream during this period.

      One of the questions I ask myself is how 1mbps can be considered as not broadband, even if the upstream is lower.

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    2. Re:200 kbps uplink? by QuickSilver_999 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually it didn't change the statistics at all. Since this was an FCC report about US statistics, Canadian ISPs wouldn't be reported. It's just that the reporter is obviously a self centered US citizen, since he uses the generic term "American" to mean ONLY the USA. :)

      Course, I usually fall into that category too. When will you darn Canucks learn that you aren't American just because you occupy more of the continent than we do? :)

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    3. Re:200 kbps uplink? by lphuberdeau · · Score: 1

      Just call yourself united staters and it will solve the problem ;)

      One day I will learn to read the source of the stats.

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    4. Re:200 kbps uplink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As for complaints, why hasn't the price of broadband come down at all since 2001?

    5. Re:200 kbps uplink? by Zen+Punk · · Score: 4, Funny
      you darn Canucks...occupy more of the continent than we do

      Dude just because that whole area is labeled Canadia on the map doesn't mean they're spread on there thick like Cream Cheese. All them Canucks settle to bottom, like potato chips. All that room up top is just, like, bears and stuff.

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    6. Re:200 kbps uplink? by QuickSilver_999 · · Score: 1

      Don't you listen to Greenpeace man? Bears are People Too!

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    7. Re:200 kbps uplink? by iantri · · Score: 1

      -1, too many bizarre metaphors.

    8. Re:200 kbps uplink? by cubicleman · · Score: 1

      I work in a company that is owned by Canadians and probably 1/3 of the staff are Canadian..but none live in Canada.. :)

    9. Re:200 kbps uplink? by arodland · · Score: 1

      Funny, I've been seeing the opposite around here; a few cable companies around me went from 1mbit down / 1mbit up to 3mbit down / 384kbit up

    10. Re:200 kbps uplink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You typo'd. You meant to say 'beers' and stuff..

      right?

  7. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news... virus activity has tripled since 2001.

    1. Re:In other news... by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "..the RIAA and MPAA announced the number of people probably stealing their precious intellectual property has probably tripled since 2001."

      In other news, the RIAA and the MPAA have posted record sales for the year, the increase is expected to... hey, I told you to put the United Way blurb between those.

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    2. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other news, the RIAA and the MPAA have posted record sales for the year, the increase is expected to... hey, I told you to put the United Way blurb between those.

      Which completely missed the joke (or at least, should've used another punch line about needing the INDUCE act to be passed).

  8. Both directions? by Fooby · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...broadband services (speeds exceeding 200 kbps in both directions)...

    Hm, I get 1.5Mbps down, 128kbps up from Verizon DSL. Does this mean I don't have broadband?

    It sure would be nice to have a fatter uplink, even if it wasn't a symmetric connection. Of course even though this is slow compared to connections in some countries I'm not complaining too loudly. A few years ago a dual-bonded ISDN 128kbps connection seemed would have been a dream come true.

    1. Re:Both directions? by ajiva · · Score: 3, Funny

      YES! I have 384k down, and 256k up! I have broadband and YOU don't! Neer neeer neee!

    2. Re:Both directions? by The+Analog+Kid · · Score: 2, Informative

      You know since you have 1.5 down your less than 15,000ft from the CO, you can call up and get a free upgrade to 384k up. Verizon also now offers 3.0/768k for $40 if you have the Freedom package and $44 if you don't. You have to be 11,000ft max for that though. Make sure to call billing though since only they do the upgrades.

    3. Re:Both directions? by Grym · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hm, I get 1.5Mbps down, 128kbps up from Verizon DSL. Does this mean I don't have broadband?

      No. You don't.

      Somewhere along the line, the word "broadband" got a legal definition. Because of all the Peer-to-Peer stuff, though, most ISPs prefer to severely limit the upstream. This is why nearly all companies advertise their internet connections as "high-speed" rather than broadband now.

      -Grym

    4. Re:Both directions? by The+Analog+Kid · · Score: 1

      I also forgot to mention that the 3.0/768k is only avaliable in Verizon "East" areas, or the ex-Bell Atlantic areas, Verizon "West" areas or ex-GTE areas can not get this yet. A good way to tell if your considered "East" or "West" is if you connect with PPPoE or DHCP respectivley. I believe when the service is offically announced West areas will also get it, something about merging billing databases is holding it up. If you are on a remote terminal you can not get the 3.0/768k regardless of your "East" or "West" status unless you use a Verizon reseller.

      Standard "rape you in the ass" fees also apply.

    5. Re:Both directions? by baudilus · · Score: 1

      I think Optimum Online is the best internet service available in my area. I get 8.5 mbps down and over 900 kbps up.

    6. Re:Both directions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would love to know where that definition is codified into law so I can pull it out when the cable salesman tries to claim his overpriced service is broadband.

    7. Re:Both directions? by Caseyscrib · · Score: 1
      This is why nearly all companies advertise their internet connections as "high-speed" rather than broadband now.

      Like NetZero HiSpeed? Ohh look, it even has something called a pop up blocker and megamail. I have no idea what the hell those are but they certainly sound spiffy. Please, take my money and sign me up! I want to get in on this interweb before it blows up.

    8. Re:Both directions? by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      I also forgot to mention that the 3.0/768k is only avaliable in Verizon "East" areas, or the ex-Bell Atlantic areas, Verizon "West" areas or ex-GTE areas can not get this yet.

      FYI, I live in an ex-GTE area and we're part of Verizon "North". (At least, the phone bills get made out to "Verizon North".)

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  9. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...the RIAA and MPAA announced the number of people probably stealing their precious intellectual property has probably tripled since 2001, and that they'll be suing everyone just to make sure they don't miss any infringers.

  10. Broadband is too slow! by Charcharodon · · Score: 1

    I have become with complacent with this paltry 170kbps down and 15kbps. I need more! I want 125mbps and I want it to be symetrical!

    1. Re:Broadband is too slow! by Sidicas · · Score: 0

      this paltry 170kbps down and 15kbps.

      15 kbps?? That's 1.875 KB/sec! I get almost 28kbps upstream on my 56k modem when I'm lucky and connect at 48kbps or faster.

    2. Re:Broadband is too slow! by Charcharodon · · Score: 1

      Sorry my bad those are actual transfer rates in bytes not the connection rates. Wish they would just label everything in bits and be done with it.

    3. Re:Broadband is too slow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      125 mbps... as in 8 seconds per bit... one minute per byte...?
      You need to get yourself some pigeons...

  11. Not that it matters... by QuickSilver_999 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Computer people can eat up excess capacity faster than it can be created. How many people here said when they got their first 20Meg HD "I'll NEVER fill up THAT much space!" I know I did.

    All this really means is that in the near future web designers and multimedia providers will start to upgrade the amount of bandwidth needed, and the average person will still be screwed. We all saw it with the 2400 baud modem, the 14.4, the 28.8, and the 56K. We'll see it again with DSL and Cable. Until the day comes when web designers realize that too many geegaws ruin the experience, we'll continue to have this problem.

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    1. Re:Not that it matters... by ti.payn · · Score: 1

      Until the day comes when web designers realize that too many geegaws ruin the experience, we'll continue to have this problem.

      The problem of broadband penetration tripling every three years? Hard disks having per Gig costs that go down 50% every year? Those problems?

      It's innovation. The more resources, the more possibilities. The more functionality.

      I don't want a 20MB hard drive and a 14.4 internet connection. I am glad a market was built for the bigger & better versions to become possible.

    2. Re:Not that it matters... by QuickSilver_999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You miss understood. The problem is not the bigger and better hardware/bandwidth. The problem is that programmers and designers become more and more sloppy as things get bigger. One of the best word processors I ever used was Appleworks, which ran in 64K (128K if you wanted to do anything serious). And that 64K included the operating system!

      Now we have to have some from MicroSoft (which is rather an ironic name now that their programs have become so damn bloated. Maybe we should rename them MacroSoft) that take minutes to load on anything less than a 100% state of the art machine, and can only be used if you have a shitload of memory and hard drive space.

      Same for the bandwidth. Look what Microsoft tried to do with IRC! Let's send little cartoon representations of everyone on the chat line. After all, people have 28.8K modems now, we can waste a little bandwidth. *sigh* IRC did the job just fine, and still does it. We don't NEED to add crap to it like that.

      What it means though in this case is that even we will always have the problem of running out of bandwidth. It won't matter if every house in the US has a fiber 100Gig connection to the Internet, as it is designers will figure out a way to overload it to the point that it's worthless.

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    3. Re:Not that it matters... by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All this really means is that in the near future web designers and multimedia providers will start to upgrade the amount of bandwidth needed, and the average person will still be screwed.

      I disagree. Standard web stuff is expected to be pretty much "instant" with a "broadband" class connection, and its been that way for years, and if a standard website does not load fast, it would have to be of some pretty unique and desired content that cannot be found elsewhere for someone to wait for it.

      Now transferring masive files, that is a different story. A download (or upload) is expected to take some time, and even with a fast connection, the transfer rate will vary according to the protocol of the transfer, the speed of all the internode hops, etc etc. If anyone consistantly gets downloads of over 1 mbit/s for all of thier downloads, please let me know what your internet connection is. Right now I have access from anything from a cable modem at home to Internet2 at work. The fastest transfers I get in real day to day life is about 3.5 MByte/s using scp (I could be CPU bound here), and that is more than fast enough for transfering gigs of data at a time. When I transfer large amounts of data, its ususally audio files, and I transfer about 1 Gig at a time which takes less than 5 minutes. Thats fast enough for me. I can transfer data faster than I can realistically process it. Meaning I could not burn that much data to CD in that time, or listen to it, or hell even finish reading all of the info about it.

      I don't know anyone who still does dialup except my dad and he says its "fast enough" for him and its not worth paying the extra $20 a month for a faster connection.

    4. Re:Not that it matters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You miss understood.

      George, is that you?
    5. Re:Not that it matters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How many people here said when they got their first 20Meg HD "I'll NEVER fill up THAT much space!"
      You're new here, aren't you? Most of the people here said that when they got their first hard drive about a 10 gig drive. And they think buad has something to do with IPv6. And ANSI graphics are some new file format...
    6. Re:Not that it matters... by PKPerson · · Score: 1

      While Media intense crap will alyays load our connections, i dont see IRC or SSH going completly out of date soon (mabey replaced with better protocols) but there will always be text. Even over my dialup anything textbased will alyays be fast. They can make fancy pictures, but text is text. and text is small.

    7. Re:Not that it matters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All this really means is that in the near future web designers and multimedia providers will start to upgrade the amount of bandwidth needed, and the average person will still be screwed. We all saw it with the 2400 baud modem, the 14.4, the 28.8, and the 56K.

      There was no web (and hence no web designers) back in the days of 2400 baud modems, was there?

  12. The broadband advantage... by Ianoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It doesn't surprise me. Broadband really does change the way you use the Internet, and indeed the computer. No-longer do you have to dial up (or dialing up is automatic and takes seconds), the Internet is just "there" whenever you want to access information.

    I have always used the Internet too much, but I definitely notice it has changed the way several of my friends and relations have used their computers.

    Just being able to search for something on Google whenever you want, without worrying about people potentially trying to phone you or your minutes running out or your phone line getting hung up is a major boon to trying to write a document or even just read the news.

    1. Re:The broadband advantage... by Dr+Reducto · · Score: 1

      Icredibly true.

      Ever since I have got broadband (2 years ago), I definitely noticed my habits have changed. I have used the Internet for just about every piece of information because it is almost always there. I mapquest things instead of using a paper map. Internet phone books are faster than paper. Also, having an IM client on all the time is so convenient because at a glance, you can for the most part tell where all your friends are (via away messages and whatnot.) It's incredible how much the broadband and the internet in general has changed the way I do things, let alone other people and how it has benefitted them.

    2. Re:The broadband advantage... by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      I agree. It's one of those things that you notice most when it isn't there. One morning not too long ago I woke up to find my Comcast connection down. It took them 4 hours to get it working again and it really made me feel how much my day revolves around being connected.

    3. Re:The broadband advantage... by True+Grit · · Score: 1

      I've had "high-speed" access (DSL, 512kbps/128kbps, always-on) for about 2 weeks now, and I still occasionally get the feeling that I need to do certain things now/quickly. I have been trained by 5-6 years of dail-up to go thru a "check-list" once I'm connected, and now I still can't get over the idea that I can walk away from my /. browsing for a couple hours and come back to it later, after a nice nap, with no consequences. :)

    4. Re:The broadband advantage... by cubicleman · · Score: 1

      This has happened to me several times in recent months...it went down for 3 days once..Comcast claims nothing is wrong; I don't know if it is my modem or what..but my Comcast cable TV service works fine.

  13. because it's new by KB1GHC · · Score: 1

    I wasn't even able to get cable internet untill early 2001, no wonder it's trippled.

    It doesn't suprise me, cause i was one of the first people i knew to get Cable internet in my area, now everyone has it.

  14. What are the rollout rates? by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

    I remember wanting broadband since 1995. I think it just took the cable industry forever to get the stuff rolled out. www.geocities.com/James_Sager_PA

  15. Question... by comrade009 · · Score: 1

    I may sound naive, but for the benefit of all naive people like me, why are upload rates typically so much lower than download rates?

    1. Re:Question... by phillymjs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because we are supposed to be consumers of content, not producers.

      Endusers running servers are verboten by the broadband services Joe Sixpack is most likely to use (like Comcast and Verizon), so Joe Sixpack is only given enough upstream bandwidth to send HTTP requests and whatnot.

      ~Philly

    2. Re:Question... by exi1ed0ne · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The size of an http request is very tiny compared to the webpage content you are requesting. The theory goes that you don't need to send a lot of data out, but you will get lots of data in. Also, it makes it frustrating to operate any services like mail or web. This way they can charge more for symetrical speeds.

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    3. Re:Question... by Geiger581 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is only so much bandwidth on a copper line. The split is made because most end consumers just downloaded content, with very little traffic needed to send HTTP requests, emails, or IMs. However, P2P makes the lopsidedness much more acute nowadays.

    4. Re:Question... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      The theory goes that you don't need to send a lot of data out, but you will get lots of data in. Also, it makes it frustrating to operate any services like mail or web.

      No, if you have an up/down ratio greater than about 8, your download speed will be limited by your capacity to send acks.

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    5. Re:Question... by djweis · · Score: 1

      On cable it's because of how the system works. There is usually only one cable "channel" for upload but multiple channels for download. The upload channel has to be in the lower numbers due to signal loss. Like another post said, it also is an indirect throttle because TCP needs to ack received data.

    6. Re:Question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does this mean that if you got e.g. 30M down/64k up cable, you can download stuff with UDP a lot faster than with TCP?

    7. Re:Question... by djweis · · Score: 1

      Sort of, you would still need some way to throttle the sender based on the speed between you and the sender.

    8. Re:Question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's funny is, the "standard" DSL/cable line became 1.5 down/256 up, and you paid $45-$65 for it or so. If you wanted 512/512, or god forbid, 768/768, both of which would total less overall bandwidth than the default asymmetric rate, you would pay two to three TIMES more than the base rate. Pay $5-$10 more for symmetric, maybe. But when it becomes a multiple, that's just plain stupid.

      Of course, what would be REALLY cool would be to have an ISP say, "You have 2Mb network bandwidth. Here is the configurator page. Allocate it as you see fit." Then you could adjust your upstream/downstream on the fly as necessary. Not that it would ever happen.

  16. 200k both ways? by slashrogue · · Score: 1

    I wonder how many cable/DSL services that eliminates. I have cable from a pretty big provider and their TOS states you can't host servers and blah blah... but the upstream is capped at a disappointing 128k, so I couldn't really run a server if I wanted to.

  17. and why not? by tc3driver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it is getting increasingly inexpensive, faster, and more reliable than dial up...

    ... the down side, more people means more traffic, the pipes can only get so big, before there is no room left for all, and then there is the IP address problems that will come of it, there is hardly enough to go around now...

    IPV6 that will help, but the costs of such a large protocol change will be daunting, to say the least... and what to do about those users that are still on win95/98...

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  18. Rest of the World by Cutterman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    t's an interesting thing. There's a huge difference between broadband and POTS (or even ISDN). It just changes the whole connected experience. More and more internet content is predicated on users having broadband access and is not accessible to us 56K'ers. Giant apps., huge patches, streaming video and all the rest of it are just not a possibility for a vast number of internet users in much of the world (probably the majority). In my country broadband is available in some places but is prohibitively expensive for private individuals. Two days (and considerable expense) to download a new kernel versus 20 minutes or so. It is really creating a two tier system with a 56K underclass - sort of a Two Nations scenario.

  19. or.. by phreakv6 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    in other words SPAM has tripled...
    and is there a problem with the comment count on the main page ??

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  20. I think a more interesting number would be.... by ARRRLovin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ..........availability. What is the amount of households that actually have access to broadband, that previously didn't in 2001? I know availability has been a real kink in most people's plans to get high speed internet access.

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  21. Unsurprising. by rincebrain · · Score: 2, Informative

    As people become more accustomed to using computers, they become less patient.

    As people become less patient, they become less likely to want to wait for the loading of such bandwidth intensive sites as, oh, say, Slashdot.

    As people become less patient, they become more willing to pay for broadband, and be able to browse at speeds that will amaze them.

    Also, file sizes have increased, and so gamers are increasing their pipes to compensate. For those of us, myself included, who have not seen the World of Warcraft beta...that's two gigabytes, downloaded over your internet connection.

    Finally, I must point out...BitTorrent really became popular in 2003, as is evidenced by WoW using it as a distribution method.

    Small wonder, then, that broadband is increasingly becoming a necessity.

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  22. Funky math by toetagger1 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "The report also says that the number of users of broadband services (speeds exceeding 200 kbps in both directions) soared to 28 million in December 2003 from 9.6 million in 2001."

    Doing my own math here:

    • 12/2003 - 12/2001 = 24 months;
    • 12/2003 - 01/2001 = 36 months

    So is it:

    • 6,900,000 people / 24 months = 287,500 people/month
    • 6,900,000 people / 36 months = 191,667 people/month
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    1. Re:Funky math by Mod+Me+God+Too · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sir, I find your math funkier.

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    2. Re:Funky math by merdaccia · · Score: 1
      28 million bottles of beer on the wall,
      28 million bottles of beer,
      You take 9.6 million down,
      Pass them around,
      6.9 million bottles of beer on the wall.

      ... pause ...

      ... starts Calculator.

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      *blinking cursor*

  23. Re:not bad.. tsarkon reports by YasserTowelhead · · Score: 0, Informative

    Listen, you smashed body of a wretched animal. I suspect it wasn't meant as a compliment.

    Furthermore, your grandstanding assertion that this is "one of the best [you]'ve ever had the honor of receiving" indicates to anyone with the barest grasp of Collaborative Discussion Theory that you've never uttered a word of substance. To anyone. I submit to you that any well-worded assertion predicated upon original and rational thought will raise howls of protest from the Mothers Against Drunk Driving (rehash of the failed and immoral "temperance movement" (i.e., the recurring meme that encourages the insulting and unbiblical (cf. Genesis 1:29: "God said, 'Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed. It will be your food. To every animal of the earth, and to every bird of the sky, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food;' and it was so.") suppression of the consumption of plants given to us by God for our sustenance and pleasure)), Million Mom March (attempt to subvert the respect for motherhood by associating the delusional wailings of those who cannot mentally separate a tool from its wielder with an unconstitutional effort to destroy our inalienable, individual ("A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms." --Richard Henry Lee, Senator, First Congress, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788)) right to defend ourselves against both foreign invaders and corrupt tyrants and usurpers (note that Diane Feinstein has a concealed carry permit but she doesn't want the hoi polloi, the proles, WE THE PEOPLE OF THESE UNITED STATES to be on an equal footing with her; why's she afraid of the well-regulated militia if she truly preserves and protects the Constitution?)), military-industrial-pharmaceutical-complex worshipping toadies.

    We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need.

    Note the blatant censorship by Skull & Bones, Bush & Kerry, Kang & Kodos, yin & yang, there is no hope, your vote is a joke, the republic is dead, of "Chapter 5: The Right to Bear Arms" (compare Chapter 4 and Chapter 6)!

    I weep for the future if you think a random blast of vulgarity is a "raving troll". Patriots question the "Patriot" act and Ashcroft says they aid terrorists, Maddox opens his mouth and censorship is attempted. We live in the age of feelies and soma and a lack of Quality (Pirsig) and you are amused by self-referential parody of the hopelessness of the age? You appendage of Cthulhu. Go back to your lair; we are not ready for you yet!

    Your inner thoughts as you posted your ill-advised diatribe:

    ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
    ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
    ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
    ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
    ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
    ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
    ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
  24. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I do agree that the United States has been too slow in adopting broadband, this report would seem to contradict what I heard John Kerry say on the issue. To summarize what he said, he basically puts the blame for lack of bandwidth on President Bush, rather than the individual companies.

    Disclaimer: I am a firm Kerry supporter.

    AC to avoid a karma hit.

    1. Re:Hmm by glitch23 · · Score: 1

      I hope you aren't surprised by who he is blaming since he will say anything for elections.

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      this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom. -- Lincoln, Gettysburg Address
  25. DSL vs. Cable by rozz · · Score: 2, Insightful
    In North America, Cable clearly dominates the broadband market ... Western Europe and the far East on the other had are overhelmingly betting on DSL.

    Is this another stupid "war" like the old GSM vs. CDMA?
    Or it's only a simple matter of who owns the connections - cable & media companies in US and Telcos elsewhere?

    --
    "There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
    1. Re:DSL vs. Cable by angrykeyboarder · · Score: 2, Informative

      From my POV, it's who offers the best overall deal. I've had broadband in two metropolitan areas (Atlanta and Phoenix) and in both places Cable offered a faster connection (4 MB/s download vs 1.5 MB/s download for DSL) for approximately the same price.

      Advantage:cable

      Also having cable broadband allows one to completely free themselves of a landlines phone. Get a cell phone with unlimited local calling along with your cable internet and who needs a landline phone?

      --
      Scott

      ©20014 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved
    2. Re:DSL vs. Cable by rozz · · Score: 0
      i have dsl here, never used cable .. but as far as i heard, cable does not exactly guarantee that juicy fast connections ... one friend of mine had trouble with that .. applied for cable and had ~2,5mb for several months ... and then the cable company ran a very attractive promotion and he went to only 200k in 2 weeks!
      at least with DSl one is sure that he gets an ~constant transfer rate

      but very good point about getting rid of the landline phone, that's a nice feature .. although i'm quite sure that soon some telcos will try to enter the traditional cable-programming market .. only to help u get rid of the tv cable ;)

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      "There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
    3. Re:DSL vs. Cable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use my mobile phone almost exclusively, but I still keep my land line for several reasons. It's cheap; I pay about $19 a month for the minimum service available. I have to pay something like $ 0.096 for each local call and use a 10-10 number for long distance, but since I just about never call out that's not a problem. It's the number I give out to companies that need a telephone number. It goes directly to voicemail (it doesn't even ring), so I never need to deal with the resulting telemarketers. It's also a backup for my mobile phone and my internet connection, so I can always be connected at home (barring some major disaster that takes out mobile phone service, cable service, and telephone service).

    4. Re:DSL vs. Cable by angrykeyboarder · · Score: 1

      DSL doesn't guarantee speeds either. I had DSL for several years with BellSouth. They always said "up to 1.5 MB/s download. My average was around 1.

      I later had Comcast Cable in Atlanta (speeds "up to" 4 MB/s download - I averaged 2.5). In Phoenix now we have Cox Cable and the average speed is probably about the same as Comcast in Atlanta (maybe even a bit higher).

      Yes it does vary and at times it's slowed to a crawl, but with a pipeline that's substantially bigger than DSL, overall I average higher speeds for around the same cost.

      Once again, advantage cable.

      --
      Scott

      ©20014 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved
    5. Re:DSL vs. Cable by rozz · · Score: 1

      don' know, i have mine for 2-3 years already ...always got the max 768, sometimes even more ;)

      btw, it's a competition here ? cause it may be a simple question of taste and we "run" for nothin ;)

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      "There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
    6. Re:DSL vs. Cable by True+Grit · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Advantage:cable

      That depends on what you need, and how much money you're willing to spend for it. For cheapskates like me, who are still fine with land-line phones, and also not addicted to cable TV, the advantage goes to DSL.

      I chose 512kbps/128kbps DSL from a phone company (Sprint), even though its not true broadband and not the fastest available. My thinking was, since I already "had to have" local and long distance service, getting the whole package together effectively makes the DSL service ~30$ a month. Now, my net connection is always-on, doesn't tie up my phone, and is roughly ~9x faster but only ~12$ more than dial-up.

      Cable on the other hand doesn't offer me anything else I'm interested in. I dumped cable TV ~3 years ago, when they wanted 35$ for ~100 channels, of which ~80 I considered to be absolute junk, and almost half of what was left were broadcast channels I could get locally.

      who needs a landline phone?

      Well, since I'm not a big talker, and never considered instant convenient communication to be essential, I never bothered with cellphones since they are always more expensive than land line phone service.

      This perhaps may depend on who your local phone company is, but it goes both ways too. Adelphia is the only local cable company I have, and because of financial difficulty (bankruptcy) and mismanagement (being financially gutted by their former owner), Adelphia is milking their customers for every dollar it can get (to help it recover), making the phone company's package deal (local/long distance/DSL) very favorable (to me at least).

      Of course, I'd love to have 3mbps downstream, but 512kbps means apt-get update only takes about 80 seconds, and the following upgrade runs at 3MB/1min, instead of 1MB/3min. Now web pages are almost instantaneous, what took hours now take minutes, and since I'm not a heavy downloader (no movies or music), thats more than good enough for me. Most importantly, the net increase in my monthly costs is just $20. OC, YMMV.
    7. Re:DSL vs. Cable by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

      Cable is easier to deploy (no CO distance limitations, most neighborhoods already have fiber for cable, etc.), it supports higher bandwidth than regular DSL (and the high-bandwidth DSL technologies like VDSL require massive network upgrades).

      Like CDMA, cable is technologically superior to DSL. DSL proponents claim that the DSL is better because the bandwidth isn't shared, but in reality, the bandwidth on a cable line is so high (45mbps for DOCSIS 2.0) that it doesn't really make a difference.

      In Europe, however, cable isn't nearly as common as in the US. In the US, most people in towns above 5,000 people can get cable. The same can not be said for Europe. That's why DSL is more popular.

    8. Re:DSL vs. Cable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh, you don't need a landline phone to get DSL, just the physical copper, which already exists just about everywhere.

      Plus, in DSL, your copper connection is yours alone, right up to the operator (a point-to-point connection), and not shared between multiple customers like with cable. Even if the advertised maximum rate is lower, the actual datarates you get may be higher.

      With cable, the actual datarates seem to vary depending on how many other subscribers are active in your area, which sucks.

      Using DSL, most of the time, you can actually saturate the link at the advertised maximum rate.

    9. Re:DSL vs. Cable by angrykeyboarder · · Score: 1

      All I know is, I had DSL for 4 years with BellSouth and was very happy with it. Then due to circumstances which are irrelevant to this post, I switched from DSL to Cable Internet with Comcast. And to my surprise I saw no degradation in speed. If anything I saw an increase and that probably had a lot to do with their advertised "up to" 4 MB/s download speed.

      A few months later, I landed in Phoenix were were the person I'm living with has Cox High Speed Internet has roughly the same speeds as I did with Comcast.

      So, I've spent far more time with DSL (with one of the fastest DSL connections available) than with Cable and I've found that overall in many cases cable is faster (not slower) than DSL.

      Oh and you don't have to have Cable TV to have Cable Internet either (some seem to think you do). :-)

      So what it comes down to is this.:

      Whatever floats your boat. :-)

      --
      Scott

      ©20014 angrykeyboarder & Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved
  26. Mod parent "fucking spot on" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd mod you up myself if I could, but I spent my last mod-point modding down a person dissing Buffy in the Firefly thread.

    Bastard.

  27. Not Surprising by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Broadband "fixes" the Internet for many people. It might shock some /.ers, but some people hate waiting for computers. In a world where your TV, dvd player, radio,ect. just instantly comes on and works, broadband allows the internet to do the same.

    Recently my girlfriend started surfing big for the first time in her life when she got cable broadband. I asked her why she didn't use the internet back during dial-up days and she said "Well, it took so long to get to web pages; I always thought the Internet was broken! Its now like changing a channel on TV."

    1. Re:Not Surprising by glitch23 · · Score: 1

      "Well, it took so long to get to web pages; I always thought the Internet was broken!

      I don't know anyone who actually would think that. Even my parents realize that it is just slow because of their dial-up service only capable of pushing so much data through at a time. Then again, maybe your girlfriend is the same type who thinks she can get the Internet to fit onto a floppy so she can carry it around with her?

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      this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom. -- Lincoln, Gettysburg Address
  28. The September that Never Ended.... by mat+catastrophe · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    just keeps on going, stretching into infinity.

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    1. Re:The September that Never Ended.... by mat+catastrophe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh, I'm sorry. I guess one of you out there has no sense of humor. So, I'll explicate just a little bit.

      As someone who installs broadband devices for a living, let me tell you what this "explosion" in broadband numbers means. Every day more and more people are getting on the Interweb for the very first time. They aren't doing much more than fucking up signal-to-noise ratios, when they do manage to interact. For the most part, they just want in on ebay or poker room or porn.

      The Internet failed to be a wonderful, great, uplifting experience for humanity. Now, it's just another corporate shill in a never-ending line of shills.

      Now, you may also mod this as bitter, off-topic and a troll. But it is true. And you all know it.

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    2. Re:The September that Never Ended.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Society called, you're no longer invited. Go back to being a hermit if you would rather.

    3. Re:The September that Never Ended.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF are you talking about? Who ever promised the internet would be wonderful, great or uplifting?
      It's a medium for information. That's it.

    4. Re:The September that Never Ended.... by True+Grit · · Score: 1
      you may also mod this as bitter


      Darnit, I just looked, and there is no "-1 Bitter" mod. :)

      I don't really know what your point is. Is every new invention judged by whether it turns out to be "a wonderful, great, uplifting experience for humanity"? And if it isn't its an abject failure? Kinda setting the bar a little high aren't you?

      Now, it's just another corporate shill


      The corps are here, but they don't have a monopoly on usage of the Internet (not yet at least). Personally I think the open, decentralised, collabaration, as well as the global communication characteristics of the Internet means it has enormous revolutionary potential, and you only need to look at Linux to see something that never would have been created if not for the Internet. Never mind that there wouldn't be a F/OS community either.

      But it is true. And you all know it.


      Uhmmm, wrong.

      :)
    5. Re:The September that Never Ended.... by mat+catastrophe · · Score: 1
      This here is a blanket response to one AC and TrueGrit.

      Yes, the net is a medium for information, and maybe the corporate control is not total.

      But it is remarkably prevalent in the households that are swarming to broadband. After all, what was the last commercial you saw advertising a website that was free, didn't require registration, and would let you look up interesting things? You don't.

      Instead, these hundreds of people are signing on to their corporate billboards - being sold crap without the nasty inconvenience of the unwashed masses actually going out to stores (even if they themselves are the unwashed masses).

      Is the internet a failure? Not quite, but it's looking bad for the home team. Should inventions be judged by their relative merit to humanity? Mmmm, probably. That's why I'm not sold on the space program. I do not see how most of that money could not be better used down here, used in demonstrable ways to improve living conditions - instead of promising us some idea of how "we might be able to get five people to Mars alive!" Or whatever. Joy to the five space colonists, and fuck the rest of us?

      Would Linux and OS be possible without the net? Who knows? But this isn't really about that, it's about what has happened now that broadband is exploding. It used to be said that the Internet was like the world's largest library, with no card catalogue and no librarian to ask help from. Now, it's that same library, only with thieves and killers in the rows. And unprepared users are swarming into it every day.

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    6. Re:The September that Never Ended.... by arodland · · Score: 1

      When was the last time you gave a damn about the last commercial you saw?

    7. Re:The September that Never Ended.... by True+Grit · · Score: 1
      But it is remarkably prevalent in the households that are swarming to broadband. After all, what was the last commercial you saw advertising a website that was free, didn't require registration, and would let you look up interesting things? You don't.

      Yea, but so what? That's always true in any "open system" where the commercial interests will concentrate on their profit concerns, but anyone who bothers to look around will find other uses for the system. Have the corporations killed off USENET? No, it may not be as popular as AOL forums (never been there, don't know), but plenty are still using it. I don't have the problem you have with sharing the net with the commercial interests, as long as they don't try to control or dictate how I can use the net, I'm fine with them being here.

      Instead, these hundreds of people are signing on to their corporate billboards - being sold crap without the nasty inconvenience of the unwashed masses actually going out to stores (even if they themselves are the unwashed masses).

      Huh? Its a "buyer beware" world out there, and has been long before the net showed up. If people want to be sheep, or just idiots, and buy what the corps want them to, thats the people's problem, not ours, its their money after all, and its not the Internet's fault if they choose to waste it. It sounds like you want to blame the car when people use one to go to a distant Walmart instead of a local mom-n-pop shop. Is that the car's fault? Look, as frustrating as it may be, people being stupid/naive/lazy/selfish hasn't been made illegal yet.

      Is the internet a failure? Not quite, but it's looking bad for the home team.

      Never mind defining who the "home team" is, we don't even agree on what definiton to use for "failure" here. :)

      Should inventions be judged by their relative merit to humanity? Mmmm, probably. That's why I'm not sold on the space program.

      See, we definitely don't agree on what is valuable to humantiy and what is a waste of money. Personaly, I believe the space program will save humanity from itself one day, assuming people like you don't manage to shut it down before then.

      Would Linux and OS be possible without the net? Who knows?

      I know. Anyone who knows anything about the development of Linux knows the Internet was the only vehicle then (and still now) that could bring all the disparate peoples from around the world together in one virtual place and allow them to collabarate on Linux's construction. It couldn't have happened any other way, a global, decentralized, digital network was simply a requirement.

      Now, it's that same library, only with thieves and killers in the rows. And unprepared users are swarming into it every day.


      That's a really weird analogy. Seriously, if you're referring to fraud and con-artists, they existed long before the Internet too. A conman will go anywhere "the mark" goes, and if the mark (the victim) goes online, the conman is going to follow. I still don't see that as the Internet's fault either, and it certainly doesn't prove the Internet is a failure, only that its popular.

      Its my impression that you're saying the Internet's commercialization is proof of its failure, and that just doesn't make sense to me. I agree that the commercialization may not lead to the most profound and revolutionary consequences of the Internet, but it doesn't prevent those conseqences from happening either. The corps will play their old money games, but the rest of us will keep on doing our own thing as well.
  29. Exceeding 200k? by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hmm my out going is capped at 128k like everyone else on my system..

    That is, if i dont use it, once i do, my downstream is pretty much cut off at the knees..

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  30. The Company I work for by Laebshade · · Score: 2, Informative

    Helps in increasing this. We're sort of a meta-ISP. We do cable modem infrastructure rollouts and provide phone technical support for small MSOs (multiple service providers, i.e. cable companies). Check us out at ibbsonline.com. And, wouldn't you know it, it was founded at the end of 2001.

    P.S. I hope our servers can handle a /.ing.

  31. Verizon 2x speed by sometwo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Verizon is launching a DSL service that is twice as fast as its current DSL offering, with downloads of up to 3 Mbps. story here

    Especially because of this, the broadband wars should become interesting.

    1. Re:Verizon 2x speed by barzok · · Score: 1

      Most everyone using RoadRunner is already enjoying 3Mbps service, we all got upgraded quite a while ago from ~2Mbps so that Time Warner could proclaim "twice as fast as DSL!"

    2. Re:Verizon 2x speed by TheHawke · · Score: 1

      Here in South Texas, Verizoned is a red-headed stepchild that needs his butt spanked so badly for neglecting the communities that it services. (And thats a negatory on misspelling their name.)
      IT was only that the US Navy stomped hard on Verzon's toes to get digital grade service for Naval Station Ingleside. At least 1/2 of the community there has at least some form of digital grade lines and SLCs in place. The rest have analog RTs and rotten copper pairings....

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    3. Re:Verizon 2x speed by glitch23 · · Score: 1

      That won't help my parents who are about 2 miles too far from the nearest CO to get any type of DSL from Verizon and the only *viable* option is Comcast cable at $55/mo or something like that.

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      this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom. -- Lincoln, Gettysburg Address
  32. Not very surprising.. by baudilus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think you can attribute this to more and more "package" deals that weren't available previously. For instance, here in the NY/NJ area, Optimum Online is offering a TV/Internet/telephone deal for $90 / month for a year (digital cable, internet, SIP phone) to users of any one or two of their services. That is a stellar deal in my book, considering that with optimum I am used to averaging 8.5 megabits down. I'm sure there are deals like this all over the place.

    Coupled with that, take a look at the number of modem-friendly web pages out there - I would think that this number declines proportionately with the increase in broadband use.

    1. Re:Not very surprising.. by westlake · · Score: 1

      One trend to watch is the bundling of spam filters, anti-virus, firewall, parental controls, etc., into the standard or premium cable service, which, all for practical purposes, has a 100% Windows client base.

    2. Re:Not very surprising.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're being ripped off. In France this deal only costs E30,-. You stupid Yanks and your free market hahahahahahah

  33. Trustworthy? by DeltaHat · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't know if I can trust this report. Netcraft has yet to confirm it.

  34. This sounds quite reasonable... by Zx-man · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...mostly due to one the major drawbacks of the modern computing:
    Bloating in all of the ways possible, so the increase of the data size creates a need in increase of the amount of storage required for it, as well as the bandwidth for its transfer

  35. dual dsl card? by tetrahedrassface · · Score: 1

    I have often dreamed of a cable router that is capable of using two phone lines in with dsl service. Lets say 2 lines at 3.0 Mbps downstream doubled to 6.0 (!) and 312 upstream side. The cable modem would have to be smart enough to manage and combine the two lines as one line. But man, talk about nice and fast! I am sure its most likely not a complete solution, but its just a dream of mine. It would be cheaper than anything else i can think of for those of us who need bandwidth on a budget. And that most likely applies to all of us.
    Will this suffice as 'proof of concept" D

    1. Re:dual dsl card? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not real bandwidth. My $35/month DSL has thrice that much upstream.
      About the huge downstream - I don't know what I could use it for. Massive freeloading perhaps?

  36. ADSL not broadband? by slavemowgli · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Wow. So my 1500/192 kbps ADSL line is not broadband? Who would've guessed.

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  37. The Real Question by onelin · · Score: 1

    How much has internet use increased in the last 3 years? I'm sure tripling the amount of broadband users is a big deal, and I'm part of those statistics, but how many are still without broadband (and still will be without in another 3 years)?
    Most who don't either:
    A) Can't (lack of availability) *** this is big
    B) Don't know the benefits
    C) Haven't used it before
    D) All of the above?
    I know a family that pays for multiple phone lines and TWO $20+/m ISPs...they could have DSL for both computers for $30-40/m from verizon.

    3x increase in 3 years is nice and all, but we're still way behind some other countries due to all the rural areas. Rural areas not having broadband won't change because there's no profit in expanding there. I'm talking out in the sticks. I'm guessing in 3 years one of my friends still won't even have the OPTION of broadband if he still lived where he does now. Luckily for him he probably won't live there.

  38. Here you go, for under $100 by phillymjs · · Score: 1

    The Xincom TwinWAN, model number XC-DPG402.

    I haven't used it, but Cringely uses one and seems to like it.

    ~Philly

    1. Re:Here you go, for under $100 by tetrahedrassface · · Score: 1

      Sold. Seriously, that looks really nice, Thanks!

  39. Yawn by CrystalFalcon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The latest new DSL offering in Sweden was 26Mbps, and that came last summer.

    The most common upgrade these days in Sweden is 10Mbit full duplex to 100Mbit full duplex.

    When are you US guys going to realize you're being shafted? The phone companies have no interest in promoting broadband beyond the lowest rate the market will bearably tolerate; it threatens their existing cash cow.

    1. Re:Yawn by aldoman · · Score: 1

      Do you realize that having the third highest tax rate in the world is getting you shafted?

  40. 200kbps ... ? by ernstp · · Score: 1

    Is 200kbps broadband nowdays? (Has 200kbps ever been broadband?)

    It might be better than modem, but.. 4 times faster, I don't know. It's, halfband, ASDL, but it's not broadband!
    I'd go as low as 512kbps!

  41. Tomorrow on News That's Obvious... by crashnbur · · Score: 1
    Tomorrow on our News That's Obvious segment:

    Ivan makes us wet and blows hard

    Tobacco products may or may not cause cancer

    Slashdot readers have little use for obvious news

  42. Xbox Live? by xombo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how many users signed up for broadband particularly for Xbox Live. I've got several customers at the store where I work (we sell games) that discuss Xbox Live and how they're considering signing up for broadband particularly for this purpose.

  43. Oxymoron by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

    Speed & 200 kbps in the same sentence...
    200 kbps is so 1999........

  44. They forget to mention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're still paying $60 a month for cable acces for a measly 2Mbps down and 30kbps up - while Korean and Japanese are paying less than $15 a month for 8Mbps down

  45. satellite or dialup for me by notoriousE · · Score: 0

    well they aren't doing a good job in ALL areas... i live in Cypress Texas and around the corner DSL and cable are both available but because I live on a rural road with "country people" they don't feel the need to extend the extra mile to allow for dsl internet or cable...

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  46. The report is probably part marketing... by 3seas · · Score: 3, Informative

    .... the rate is probably not what they claim, but less than that, especially since I recently saw a story on slashdot saying doubled....

    Broadband was/is subsidized by dialup subscribers.

    Dialup legal position is one of insuring better competition.... some FCC thing about telephone line equal opportunity..... anti-monopoly.

    But cable is not that way legally and can be and is used in a monopolistic manner. If I want a cable modem here there is only no choice but comcast.

    I'm sure the report is a marketing effort making things sound better than they are in order to attract the "jump on the (broad) band wagon"... keep up with the jones...

    It works against your consumer freedom of choice.

    1. Re:The report is probably part marketing... by kilrogg · · Score: 1
      But cable is not that way legally and can be and is used in a monopolistic manner. If I want a cable modem here there is only no choice but comcast.

      But many people do have some choice. ADSL, Cable modem, Dialup, your neighbour's wireless network, no internet at all. The cable company does need to keep the prices reasonable or risk losing your business for internet connectivity.

    2. Re:The report is probably part marketing... by True+Grit · · Score: 1
      The cable company does need to keep the prices reasonable


      Only for broadband, because as far as cable TV goes, they have a monopoly and can gouge their customers right up to the threshold where they start losing a lot of them due to sticker shock.

      So their "reasonable" broadband prices are ON TOP OF *unreasonable* cable TV prices.
  47. I haven't seen that by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I first got broadband, in the form of a cablemodem, in 2000. It cost $40/month for 3 Mbps down, 384 kbps up. Now it costs $50/month for the same speed.

    1. Re:I haven't seen that by Saeger · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And I first got broadband in the form of SDSL from Northpoint, in 1999. IIRC, it cost $180/mo for 784kbps/784kbps (and I got a northpoint friend give me a "free upgrade" to 1.5mbps/1.5mbps). When Northpoint went belly up about a year or so later, I switched to RoadRunner cable's 2mbps/256kbps for $40/mo. Another year later and Time warner increased the speed to 3mbps/384kbps at no extra cost to me.

      Overall, I'm getting more bang for my buck. Oh, and I download and upload multiple Gigs like a mofo, and not a peep from Timewarner in over 4 years. (NYC area.)

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  48. yes, and the fundamental underlying cause is.... by Cryofan · · Score: 1

    Our American government colludes with business to rape the consumer. I see only one solution--make the politicians accountable to public opinion, and then start indicting, trying and hanging some politicians.

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  49. Not surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...since so many web designers have forgotten the basics of optimization. You need broadband just to get around these days.

    The number of sites that ONLY have a bloated intro page (and not just Flash, but huge jpeg/gif background images, useless little java applets, and so on) is ridiculous; dial-up is positively painful. I see this as an extension of the rule: "Crap expands to fill the available space". In my opinion, a site that is bogged down with all this extraneous rubbish is not a site that wants to be looked at, since they are usually also visually cluttered or poorly laid out and hard to navigate (I put this down to over-enthusiasm. "Look, I can do the intarweb!! I'm 1337!!!1")

    "So what?" I hear you cry, "dial up is old tech!". But a lot of people don't need or want to pay for a permanent, high speed connection. Some still don't have access to broadband. And some like the idea of being able to plug a laptop into any phone line and work at a reasonable speed (say, answering emails before the battery packs up) without chancing the availability of wi-fi hotspots.

    As a rule of thumb, I think that websites, especially corporate ones, should be beta-tested EXCLUSIVELY on 56k dial-up (since that's the speed capped broadband drops to); if your test audience gives up before the page loads: SIMPLIFY! Sure, a plain black-text-on-white page is boring, but not nearly as boring as waiting 5 minutes for a graphic to load, and less likely to put people off if it contains the information they want. An HTML file containing "The cat sat on the mat" is simple, easily readable and takes no time to download; the information is not enhanced by animated gifs of cats* and a 500k hi-res jpeg of a rug, because if we've taken time to search for the relationship between cats and soft furnishings, we probably already know what both look like.

    The internet is about communication; assuming that everyone has the latest, bleeding-edge technology is (a) rude and snobbish, and (b) alienating at worst or inconvenient at best for those who don't have it.

    Here endeth the rant.

    *Unless thats Cats of All Your Base fame. He enhances ANY website.

  50. What is broadband? by azatht · · Score: 0

    What is the exact definition of broadband? Here I have 10Mbit and I know that's broadband (ok, let's callit mediumband, 100Mbit+ we can call broadband), but where is de diff? I think here it's stated that a 2Mbit syncron/non-dialup line is broadband, less is just dialup.
    As I'm a swede, I dont exactly know what T1, T3 is, can anyone define those?

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    1. Re:What is broadband? by easter1916 · · Score: 1

      Stop gloating you spoiled Swede!!! Just kidding.

    2. Re:What is broadband? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/T/T_1_carrier.html

      also see:
      http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/O/OC.html
      for something a bit less obsolete.

      .

      broadband - according to the article 200kbps+ both up and down.

      Personally I'd say 8mbps+ up and down, i.e. a megabyte a second, should be the border.

  51. proving the adage... by maxpublic · · Score: 1

    ...there's no such thing as too much porn.

    Max

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  52. Re:yes, and the fundamental underlying cause is... by maxpublic · · Score: 1

    If we go straight to hanging I'm willing to bet it would work wonders as an inducement for honesty and true public service for the survivors.

    Max

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  53. Heck yeah... I probably count as 2 people myself! by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    I just recently ordered a high-speed cable internet connection, to go along with my existing DSL connection. 6 months ago, I would have said doing something like this was "complete overkill" and "bordering on crazy" - but with recent price-drops on routers and service itself, it's not a bad option!

    I'm planning to use a load-balancing router that supports 2 simultaneous incoming connections. The "Hotbrick" unit I went with only costs $189 (with free shipping from a couple vendors such as Eagle Computer, if you look on pricewatch.com for it).

    Right now, my local cable company is running a special where installation is only $9.95, and the first 3 months for the fastest package they offer is $29.95 per month. After that, it's about $39.95 per month. You get about 3mbit download and 256K up with this plan.

    Meanwhile, I can get about the same rates for $38.95 per month for DSL. Combined, I'm paying about $80 per month (less for the first few months) for all of this bandwidth. Sure, it's not exactly "cheap" by some people's standards -- but I remember paying about $130/mo. for a lousy 128K ISDN circuit years ago, just to do a little better than dial-up modem connections. We've come a long way!

  54. not bad..The "hollowing" of broadband. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    True. Everyone always brings out the "second phone line" argument. If someone really wants to get through, the operator can break the connection. Also V92 lessens the need for a second line.

    Also here's something to think about. With the "hollowing out" of America's middle class (the primary customers of broadband). What will that mean for broadband's continued future?

  55. Question...Asymmetrical arguments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Because we are supposed to be consumers of content, not producers."

    If that's insightful? Then I submit that dial-up holds to the same. Here's a clue regular internet browsing is asymmetrical. Has been that way since the early years. Even before "a server in every basement" was popular.

    You want "server grade" lines for "server behaviour" then you'll pay "server prices".

  56. P2P -- some guesstimates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    It's interesting to note that every new domestic broadband connection has a maximum potential to deliver about 1 GB per day of pirated music, movies, and software via P2P.

    Even if the average broadband subscriber only utilizes 0.5% of their maximum uploading potential, that still represents 5 MB per day of additional P2P bandwidth, contributed by each new broadband user.

    5 MB can deliver approximately one average-quality MP3 track.

    This means that each new broadband customer adds about 1 MP3 track per day to overall P2P capacity.

    Over the course of a year, that customer will deliver about 360 tracks -- which is a few dozen CDs.

    It's interesting to note that the average broadband customer will probably only buy 2 or 3 CDs during the year, but yet their P2P connection pumps out a few dozen CDs during that same period of time.

  57. broadband dreams by mrclark13 · · Score: 1

    unfortunately, i'm still stuck on a lousy 56k modem AND aol. talk about frustrating. i live out in the sticks, so no one offers broadband to my house, but my (not-so-close) neighbors can get verizon dsl or charter cable

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  58. Price is the key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ADSL 6.5 Mb/s download, 680 Kb/s upload
    +100 TV chains + free unlimited phone (national)
    for 29.99 / month (around $35/mo.)

  59. 99.999% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of the 28 million are windows botnet machines. :(

    IPv6 we'rz you be.

  60. Envy the US.. by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 1

    "speeds exceeding 200 kbps in both directions"

    That's the definition of broadband there. By that standard, most of us aussies don't even have broadband, except for those "business broadband" customers who pay a lot more.

    All these thanks to our evil phone company telstra. Apparently they charge $70 to the ISP just to provide a "service" of catering a 1500kbps adsl connection. While charging a lower fee to 256k adsl lines.

    Yet, the irony is.. there is no cost differential for them whatever port speed they provide.

    This kind of thing can only happen in a monopoly!

    1. Re:Envy the US.. by Michael+Hunt · · Score: 1

      There actually is a slight cost differential there for providing a faster port: ATM bandwidth between the MUX and the Telstra LAC, and again on the AGVC between the LAC and the ISP's LNS. Admittedly, the ISP winds up paying to subsidise some of this in per-megabit AGVC fees, but the MUX->LAC ATM cloud has a finite bandwidth, which needs to be kept below a certain level of contention.

  61. How many more broadband users would there be... by ddkilzer · · Score: 1

    ...if cable modems actually had decent upstream bandwidth?

    I cruise upstream at a blazing 16Kbps. Thank you, Mediacom. :P